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Omega Micott's logo just popped up.

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It's kind of scary.

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Here's the opening music...

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Why don't we introduce ourselves first?

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I'm the manga artist, Hideo Yamamoto.

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I'm the director, Takashi Miike.

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It brings back memories, doesn't it?

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I don't remember the
first time I saw this.

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Do you forget things easily?

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You could say that.

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This is around the end
of last year, isn't it?

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That's right.

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We're just reminiscing
now, not doing commentary.

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This beginning part is cool.

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We had the music first.

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His name is Seiichi
Yamamoto, he's a crazy guy.

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He told me to think different.

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I think if the music was
different, the edit would be, too.

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I always look forward to the
opening most when I watch movies.

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In this case, the film is not
ordinary, so I couldn't wait to see it.

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The opening of a movie is often made
by a different crew in other countries.

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Is that so?

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Saul Bass is one of the
famous "opening" directors.

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The openings for the 007 series have
a totally different feel from the features.

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There are many directors who
create the openings abroad.

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I see.

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You have to catch people's
attention in the opening.

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Especially in the U.S., the opening
is also a part of the entertainment.

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How does a director feel
letting other people do it?

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If I believe the editor is talented,
I would love the person to do it.

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It would add a different
flavor to the film.

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Is it common in Japan?

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Not really, a director usually likes
to say he did everything himself.

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It's not traditional to have a different
director for an opening in a Japanese film.

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Besides, it costs more
if we do it that way.

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That's why it's hard for Japanese
directors to adapt their style.

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The movies directed by music video
directors have elaborate openings.

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That's true.

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But then, often the feature
isn't as good as the opening.

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It's R-rated from the beginning.

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Audiences abroad will understand this.

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How's that?

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How the title of the movie appears...

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They will figure out what this movie
is about, right from the beginning.

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The movie title appears in sperm.

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What's that sperm made out of?

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That sperm is...

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That's Shinya Tsukamoto's sperm.

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Is it real?

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Yes, but there wasn't enough,
so some staffers contributed.

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And our CG team shot
it as the base image...

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...and they used CG to create
the title slowly coming up.

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But mainly it's Tsukamoto's sperm.

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Did he volunteer?

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Well, he occasionally
makes a mess on the set.

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He'll unload before his scene, so
we asked him to put it in a bucket.

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I thought it was fake sperm.

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I had to fuss over the authenticity.

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But that's probably the only
part where we used the real stuff.

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I wonder if shooting an adult film
and a movie like this are similar.

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It's very similar.

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I've compared notes with
people from that industry.

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They say the real stuff is the best.

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I wouldn't want to be on the set.

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An adult film set?

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No, when you were
shooting that sperm scene.

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We couldn't make a mess
like this in a rented room...

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...so we used real blood and CG blood.

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Which is CG blood?

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The blood on the walls
and ceiling is made of CG.

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The blood on the walls is not real?

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No.

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I didn't know.

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We made a bloody room with CG,
and inserted the person later.

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We'd be in trouble if we
did that to a rented room...

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...so it was no problem to make
the room look clean like this.

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I had no idea.

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I have to thank the CG team for this.

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Usually, CG is meant to
create something imaginary.

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So people who work with CG aren't
used to creating blood with CG.

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They had a hard time making the
blood on the walls look real.

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You wouldn't know how smoke should
come out from a slashed-open mouth.

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In which of your movies
did you use CG most?

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I think it's this movie,
this film is loaded with CG.

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It took about half a year.

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Just for the CG scenes?

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That's right, because we didn't have
that many CG specialists, like Hollywood.

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We had a small staff for the CG effects,
and each of them worked individually.

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It sounds like a lot of work.

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It's interesting that they use
computers to create CG, but...

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...it's really a handcrafted work.

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You can't just work on
someone else's stuff.

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Only the person who's working on
it will understand what he's doing.

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So in a way, each CG effect
has its own personality...

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...and I think it's more
interesting that way.

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There must be 1.8 times more CG
effects than I originally noticed.

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Probably.

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Actually I like figuring out
whether I used CG or make-up.

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This actor, Mr. Arizono,
he's a very strange man.

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You can't make this character with CG.

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I agree.

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Actors are very interesting.

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I can't help but just watch the movie.

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It brings back memories...

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This movie has been shown in many
film festivals all over the world...

106
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...and some audiences are
repulsed and some are pleased.

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The film is shocking people everywhere.

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I feel like this movie is
starting to grow bigger by itself.

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You created lchi...

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...it became a film, and now is
being introduced to the world.

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Well, actually most countries
cannot show this movie as it is.

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But things are different in Holland.

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You can smoke marijuana legally there.

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So there's no problem showing
the uncut version in Holland.

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As it is?

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That's right.

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In Hong Kong, certain
scenes were edited out.

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What about in Japan?

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It seemed like the MPCEC
didn't know what to do.

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So they just made it R-rated,
so minors couldn't see it.

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I didn't want to edit it,
so that minors could see it.

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Minors should just watch it secretly.

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It may be illegal, but I think it's
healthier to watch this R-rated version.

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I'd get advice to change certain scenes,
and I'd pretend that I'm listening...

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...but I'd end up ignoring them.

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Is there anything you
just can't do in a film?

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Yes, there're strict rules about
what you can't do in a film.

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But you can't follow every rule
when you make a movie like this.

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And the MPCEC understands it,
so it was kind of give-and-take.

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So minors cannot buy the DVD?

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That's a difficult question...

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I don't know...

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But basically, you can buy
anything as long as you pay for it.

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I wonder if this film is going
to be on the same shelf...

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...as an adult video
in a video rental store?

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Many people in the film
industry think it is...

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...according to the categorizing rule.

138
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But I think it's totally
up to the vendors.

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They could put it in the
front if they want to sell it.

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I don't, and I shouldn't, have control
over where the vendors put my film.

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We're talking about this movie,
which was made a long time ago.

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And we talked about making this
film a couple of years prior to that.

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There's this big time gap...

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You can't talk about how this
movie came to be made that easily.

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Only the people who were
involved in the film know...

146
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...what lchi the Killer is really about.

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This movie we see here
is a final product, but...

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...I met a lot of
people through this film.

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And I felt like we were creating
something other than lchi...

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...as if we were coming up
with ideas for the next film.

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I remember talking about this
film, eating Oden at a bar.

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We'd never thought it
would really become a film.

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Oomori has a great
expression on his face.

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He is a strange actor.

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How so?

156
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Do you know Mr. Akaji Mano?

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He's a great actor.

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He's a living legend.

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Oomori is the son of Mr. Mano.

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I worked with Mr. Mano a while ago.

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And when I met him, I told him that
it was a pleasure to work with his son.

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Then he said to me "Oh
right, he's acting, right?"

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So I asked Oomori what
kind of father he is.

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He said, "I don't know. What
is an ordinary father like?"

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That's why it's so strange that he looks
so normal, having a father like him.

166
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Here's another strange actor.

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He's my favorite actor.

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Quentin Tarantino loves this scene.

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This scene?

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He is a big fan of lchi the Killer.

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I thought you were saying he
likes that particular scene.

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Yes, he especially likes that scene.

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When he came to Japan...

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...he said he wanted to meet
the guy who yells in that scene.

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And Tarantino met Shin Sugata.

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I think Mr. Sugata is
working with him now.

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Really?

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Is Tarantino making a new movie?

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I think he's shooting
a new one right now.

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A lot of Japanese actors are in it.

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Most of the actors I often use are
in that film, including Kitamura.

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Kitamura the wardrobe?

183
00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:58,083
No, there's another strange
actor, Kazuki Kitamura.

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He isn't in this film.

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00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:05,548
So there are lots of strange actors
and Shinichi Chiba in his new film.

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When was the last film he did?

187
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What was it?

188
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Jackie Brown?

189
00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:16,893
That's right, but he hasn't
made anything in a while.

190
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This film caught his eyes.

191
00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:27,529
I hear he loved this film.

192
00:16:27,737 --> 00:16:32,909
He's a film nerd, I'm sure
he watches a lot of films.

193
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You're a film nerd too.

194
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I don't watch movies that much.

195
00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:40,125
I think he likes watching
many different films.

196
00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:57,434
I wonder what Asano thinks when he acts.

197
00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,687
I don't know, what do
you think he thinks?

198
00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:04,190
I asked him before,
and he said "Nothing."

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00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:06,276
I believe him.

200
00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:13,908
I think he can get into the
mood of any character, anytime.

201
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He's like blank paper on the set.

202
00:17:19,247 --> 00:17:25,045
I think it's very difficult to do that.

203
00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:31,676
It's hard to have experienced something
and not to get influenced at all.

204
00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:33,845
He is very unique.

205
00:17:35,597 --> 00:17:42,312
No one can act the way
he is, he is truly scary.

206
00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:50,111
When we started casting, using Asano
was one of your demands, wasn't it?

207
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,656
Well, I wasn't really demanding...

208
00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:55,699
But you wanted him.

209
00:17:55,700 --> 00:18:03,458
He'd turned down my offers
a couple of times before.

210
00:18:04,876 --> 00:18:07,045
So I was pretty desperate.

211
00:18:07,921 --> 00:18:10,632
He doesn't like violence, so...

212
00:18:12,842 --> 00:18:16,262
That's why he rejected you?

213
00:18:16,554 --> 00:18:18,389
Yes, up until this film.

214
00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:24,687
But this is an extremely violent film.

215
00:18:25,063 --> 00:18:33,530
The violence in this film is totally
unnecessary and ridiculously excessive.

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He's poking his cheek with a
needle, just because he wants to...

217
00:18:40,829 --> 00:18:42,789
...not because he needs to.

218
00:18:43,206 --> 00:18:47,794
You might wonder why he's
sticking the needle in his cheek.

219
00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:52,799
There are other ways to make him talk.

220
00:18:53,925 --> 00:19:00,640
Using violence because the
story demands it, and...

221
00:19:01,182 --> 00:19:10,066
...using violence because
he can, are different.

222
00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:16,948
Asano understood it, and that's
why he decided to be in this film.

223
00:19:17,115 --> 00:19:21,077
When I make a film, the
producer sometimes says to me...

224
00:19:21,286 --> 00:19:24,747
..."l don't see the
necessity of the scene."

225
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,251
What's the "necessity" in a film?

226
00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:30,086
That's true.

227
00:19:30,587 --> 00:19:34,549
I'd explain, "I think he
just wanted to hit him."

228
00:19:35,091 --> 00:19:38,094
But some people just don't get it.

229
00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:41,139
Is this needle CG?

230
00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:49,397
The part he's holding is real,
he's holding a short needle...

231
00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:58,948
...but the part that comes
out from his mouth is CG.

232
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,076
What about the blood from his mouth?

233
00:20:02,243 --> 00:20:09,000
That blood is really
dripping down from his mouth.

234
00:20:10,668 --> 00:20:16,216
In this scene, Kakihara
looks really cruel...

235
00:20:16,424 --> 00:20:20,552
...but actually we are the cruel ones.

236
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:21,679
I agree.

237
00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,848
It's a real torture for Terashima.

238
00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:30,146
Trying not to hurt him ended up
torturing him in a different way.

239
00:20:30,355 --> 00:20:36,444
We started setting up in the
evening of the day before...

240
00:20:37,237 --> 00:20:42,367
...and it took 12 hours until
he was ready to be hung up.

241
00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:45,118
He couldn't even go to bathroom.

242
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,330
Really? For 12 hours?

243
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:53,419
Well, it took 12 hours to set
up, and 12 hours to shoot, so...

244
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,089
...he couldn't go to
bathroom for 24 hours.

245
00:20:56,673 --> 00:21:00,885
We asked him not to drink any
liquid 3 days before the filming.

246
00:21:01,052 --> 00:21:04,972
Then we hang him in the air and
ask him to act, it's torture.

247
00:21:04,973 --> 00:21:06,182
Yes, it is.

248
00:21:06,349 --> 00:21:10,353
But he looked really happy
when we finished this scene.

249
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:15,191
He looked like he'd
accomplished something great.

250
00:21:15,358 --> 00:21:17,359
But it must've been tough.

251
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,612
It looks nice.

252
00:21:19,988 --> 00:21:24,450
This scene is pretty,
it's got a lot of colors.

253
00:21:25,868 --> 00:21:33,960
A scene like this could end up looking
really cheesy, but it looks pretty real.

254
00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:43,011
Our SFX crew made that
melting skin on his head.

255
00:21:45,054 --> 00:21:46,681
So it's not CG.

256
00:21:47,056 --> 00:21:53,104
No, the stretched skin, where the
hooks are, are also created by the SFX crew.

257
00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:58,776
And they blended the artificial
skin into Terashima's real skin...

258
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,947
...so it wouldn't be noticeable.

259
00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:06,784
And after that...

260
00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:12,372
...we used CG to erase unwanted lines
between the fake skin and real skin.

261
00:22:12,373 --> 00:22:16,044
And actors are acting in this scene.

262
00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:20,548
There are so many people
with different specialties...

263
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:26,471
...and different ideas are
involved to make this scene.

264
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:31,267
That's one of the elements
of making a scene interesting.

265
00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:34,687
It looks like a lot of work.

266
00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:36,189
Yes, it is.

267
00:22:38,649 --> 00:22:40,443
Don't you get stressed out?

268
00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:48,034
Yes, but it's just a matter of attitude.

269
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:53,288
If you have a certain
image in your head...

270
00:22:53,289 --> 00:22:59,379
...and trying to get the
exact same image on film...

271
00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:03,674
...it might be hard, and
you'll be stressed out.

272
00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:13,684
But instead, I try to focus on what
the film will be like when it's done.

273
00:23:14,477 --> 00:23:20,608
So if I have time, I'll keep shooting, I
don't really set a goal for a particular shot.

274
00:23:20,775 --> 00:23:22,777
That's your style.

275
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:28,199
I'm usually the one
who's satisfied most.

276
00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:36,874
Some people might think I'm half-assed.

277
00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:45,341
Our CG crew would want
a certain quality in their work.

278
00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:50,763
I'm very lucky to have
such hard working people...

279
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:58,438
...but I would just be impressed
if they got 70% of the work done.

280
00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:03,484
I'd be happy with their
work, but they wouldn't be.

281
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:08,072
They would want to make it better.

282
00:24:08,406 --> 00:24:14,036
A lot of people who work
with CG are like that.

283
00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:19,834
They are perfectionists and masochists.

284
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,714
They are hard on themselves.

285
00:24:26,466 --> 00:24:32,096
It'd be difficult if we both forced
ourselves to work harder and harder.

286
00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:39,145
But we were different, and I
think that's why it worked out.

287
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,191
Our CG crew worked harder...

288
00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:49,739
...because they weren't
satisfied from just satisfying me.

289
00:24:55,453 --> 00:24:57,580
One suggestive scene after another...

290
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,000
Because it is based on your manga.

291
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:06,714
This film is truly based
on your original story.

292
00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:19,393
I love how you could
express things in the manga.

293
00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:24,148
And I wanted to bring
that out in the film.

294
00:25:24,607 --> 00:25:28,110
In a way, you can use it as an excuse.

295
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:32,615
If something didn't make sense,
I'd just blame it on the manga.

296
00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:33,950
I see.

297
00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:39,997
If you have any complaints,
please tell them to Yamamoto.

298
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:43,960
As a director, I find it fascinating.

299
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:56,180
I wonder what the audiences
abroad think of these characters.

300
00:25:56,556 --> 00:26:02,019
What were the reactions
of the audience abroad?

301
00:26:02,979 --> 00:26:08,109
It's basically the same reaction
as the Japanese audience.

302
00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:09,777
Is it?

303
00:26:10,987 --> 00:26:17,535
Some people enjoy it, and some people
walk out the room during the film.

304
00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:20,871
My friends told me that...

305
00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:25,042
...they all saw some people who
would walk out during the film.

306
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:31,048
So I think it happens almost every
showing, and it's rare if no one leaves.

307
00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:40,600
But if I paid 1800 yen, I would
probably stay if the movie sucked.

308
00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:50,276
I just can't understand how people
could walk out on any movie.

309
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:56,073
When I was little...

310
00:26:56,324 --> 00:27:01,954
...I'd always stay after the
showing and watch it again.

311
00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:03,789
I used to do that too.

312
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:06,542
I'd watch the same movie at least twice.

313
00:27:07,043 --> 00:27:12,256
Even if I didn't
particularly like the movie...

314
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:18,179
...I'd always see something
interesting, or have time to just relax.

315
00:27:18,929 --> 00:27:25,602
Sometimes I'd just watch the
back of the head of a guy...

316
00:27:25,603 --> 00:27:28,314
...who's sitting in front of me.

317
00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:37,573
I like spending time
like that in a theatre.

318
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:44,163
So I don't understand why people would
spend money and walk out on movies.

319
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,248
It's probably around here.

320
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:48,376
Yeah, I think so too.

321
00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:51,753
This scene is edited in
the Hong Kong version.

322
00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:53,588
No tongue cutting?

323
00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:59,178
You could see him cutting his tongue,
but not the part where he cuts it off.

324
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:02,889
Very specific.

325
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:04,934
They just can't give it up.

326
00:28:05,226 --> 00:28:13,567
But when you edit a film for that kind of
purpose, it'll change the film's rhythm.

327
00:28:13,734 --> 00:28:18,781
Sometimes it can make the
scene even more disturbing.

328
00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:23,868
If you were to do that on
purpose, it'd be kind of scary.

329
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:28,958
Yes, I could make something more
disturbing by not showing everything.

330
00:28:32,169 --> 00:28:34,463
But this scene is really shocking.

331
00:28:37,258 --> 00:28:39,677
Asano enjoyed this scene.

332
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:47,685
But he was also
wondering how it was done.

333
00:28:57,653 --> 00:29:03,409
This actress, Alien Sun.

334
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:09,957
She is a mysterious woman.

335
00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,168
She is Miss Singapore.

336
00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:14,420
Really?

337
00:29:15,838 --> 00:29:17,881
But she isn't from Singapore, is she?

338
00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:25,848
I think she is, but she is
very famous in Hong Kong now.

339
00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:28,642
Is she in adult movies?

340
00:29:28,851 --> 00:29:29,810
No.

341
00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:38,527
In China or Hong Kong, if there are
naked girls, it's considered a B movie.

342
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:41,947
There's a line.

343
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:52,291
And as you can see, her face
itself is just so erotic.

344
00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:58,380
So, she doesn't really have to
take her clothes off to look sexy.

345
00:29:58,589 --> 00:30:01,382
I wonder what kind of
private life she has.

346
00:30:01,383 --> 00:30:02,843
What do you think?

347
00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:06,305
It kind of scares me to think about it.

348
00:30:06,472 --> 00:30:14,063
My friends were saying that
her body looks really good.

349
00:30:14,355 --> 00:30:20,319
That's a very simple
and straight opinion.

350
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:25,825
There are many different body types...

351
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:33,249
...and usually everyone has one good
part, but her body is so perfect.

352
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:43,259
Probably her personality, and
everything else about her is herself.

353
00:30:45,594 --> 00:30:49,723
Each strand of her hair is herself.

354
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:54,519
She must have an extraordinary
lifestyle to have that kind of aura.

355
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,482
Did you have any difficulty
communicating because of the language?

356
00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:02,778
She is very sharp.

357
00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:10,452
So she would understand
what I wanted her to do.

358
00:31:10,786 --> 00:31:13,663
And we would work it out.

359
00:31:13,664 --> 00:31:17,376
I didn't really have to
explain the idea with words...

360
00:31:17,543 --> 00:31:24,383
...but instead, she would just show
it to me from what she understood.

361
00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:45,613
So where she uses Japanese, English,
and Chinese, she came up with herself.

362
00:31:47,323 --> 00:31:49,032
She ad-libbed?

363
00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:53,411
Yes, but it's really hard to
ad-lib when shooting a film.

364
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:58,291
It's not easy to satisfy yourself
since it's something you made up...

365
00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:01,252
...even though you think you did good.

366
00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:09,094
You always feel like
you could've done better.

367
00:32:11,388 --> 00:32:24,443
So I'm sure she did her
research and studied a lot.

368
00:32:26,403 --> 00:32:33,452
By the way, that scene he bends a
woman's hand backwards, is that SFX?

369
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:40,584
Yes, a SFX artist named Matsui
who's worked with me often.

370
00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:49,969
He's an expert at making body
parts that are broken or slashed.

371
00:32:50,844 --> 00:32:56,224
When I told him I want a hand
that bends backwards, he grinned.

372
00:32:56,225 --> 00:32:57,892
And he made that one.

373
00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:01,355
I wanted to know how
that scene was done.

374
00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:06,402
My staff and I were watching a
film and wondering how it was done.

375
00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:14,201
We made those body parts for
the mutilation scenes, but...

376
00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:23,335
...tried not to put too much
emphasis on the body parts themselves.

377
00:33:23,544 --> 00:33:32,177
We avoided having a close-up on
them when they're being mutilated.

378
00:33:32,469 --> 00:33:40,393
They would just be talking, and all of
sudden, you see violence in the shot.

379
00:33:40,394 --> 00:33:44,732
We didn't treat violence
as something special.

380
00:33:45,983 --> 00:33:50,111
It's not even happening in
the center of the frame...

381
00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:54,658
...so some people might not notice it.

382
00:33:54,992 --> 00:34:01,790
If you're only looking at the actors,
you'll just feel like something isn't right.

383
00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:05,711
We had this great cameraman...

384
00:34:05,878 --> 00:34:12,676
...who has the exactly same
name as you, Hideo Yamamoto.

385
00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:21,643
Certainly the way it
was shot is very casual.

386
00:34:26,732 --> 00:34:29,735
Satoshi Niizuma, he's my favorite too.

387
00:34:30,486 --> 00:34:35,323
He's been in your
other films, hasn't he?

388
00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:41,287
Actually I only used
him in one film, Fudoh.

389
00:34:41,288 --> 00:34:46,543
But his face has such an impact, so...

390
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:51,131
...some people think they've
seen him in other films.

391
00:34:51,423 --> 00:35:02,101
Even if you don't know him, his face
makes you feel like you should know him.

392
00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:11,110
As an actor, he isn't famous
or great or anything...

393
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:16,824
...but he just has
this strange presence.

394
00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:24,706
He's retired now, but he
used to be a kick boxer.

395
00:35:25,666 --> 00:35:30,629
I don't know if he was
strong, but he was unbeatable.

396
00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:32,463
So he's become an actor?

397
00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:36,927
Not particularly, I think
he's doing a lot of things now.

398
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:40,848
He does dangerous stuff.

399
00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:42,975
Dangerous stuff?

400
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:46,728
He's a bodyguard.

401
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,272
Bodyguard?

402
00:35:49,356 --> 00:35:50,858
What kind of bodyguard?

403
00:35:51,066 --> 00:36:03,245
He gets hired to protect
certain important people.

404
00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:04,913
I see.

405
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:13,463
Sometimes he's asked to
investigate a stalker.

406
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:16,216
That sounds like fun.

407
00:36:16,592 --> 00:36:22,181
But people who need that kind
of protection could be dangerous.

408
00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:27,561
He might have to protect a
yakuza from his rival yakuza.

409
00:36:29,271 --> 00:36:31,105
That's some job.

410
00:36:31,106 --> 00:36:32,441
It's interesting.

411
00:36:34,943 --> 00:36:40,574
I bumped into him in Shibuya once.

412
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:45,996
It was in a bar, and he was totally drunk.

413
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:51,877
And he said to me "I'm
working", but he was drunk.

414
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:58,175
He said he had to take the
girl who worked there home.

415
00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:04,388
He looked wasted, but when
the girl was about to leave...

416
00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:08,352
...he looked totally
different and scary.

417
00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:14,191
Are there many jobs like that?

418
00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:17,027
He's been pretty busy, so...

419
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,905
I guess there's a need for bodyguards.

420
00:37:35,545 --> 00:37:39,132
Two hours is pretty long, isn't it?

421
00:37:41,885 --> 00:37:47,099
Yes, but we're lucky that there're
many interesting actors in this film.

422
00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:50,811
This is awful, isn't it?

423
00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:52,854
It is...

424
00:37:55,023 --> 00:38:00,279
There is not a normal girl in this film.

425
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,115
They either get raped or killed.

426
00:38:04,157 --> 00:38:05,659
I feel bad for them.

427
00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:08,453
What are you talking about?

428
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:13,083
You're the one who created this story.

429
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:24,469
I got really irritated by this girl,
Goto, while shooting this scene.

430
00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:25,971
Why?

431
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:32,561
She was just irritating, and I got
even more irritated as filming went on.

432
00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:38,483
It was originally two blows
but I made it four later.

433
00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:48,910
Some people just make other people
want to get violent with them.

434
00:38:49,453 --> 00:38:57,878
A lot of actors and actresses
have this strange thing that...

435
00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:03,842
...makes me want to destroy them.

436
00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:06,178
Makes you want to destroy them?

437
00:39:08,305 --> 00:39:14,144
I don't know how to explain...

438
00:39:15,312 --> 00:39:21,234
They really make me
want to destroy them.

439
00:39:22,986 --> 00:39:28,575
I get to this point where I'm
so irritated and confused...

440
00:39:28,742 --> 00:39:35,248
...that I even forget why I
wanted to do such things to them.

441
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:40,127
He looks scary.

442
00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:42,963
Not only his face, but
he's really a scary person.

443
00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:44,341
I could see that.

444
00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:49,303
He isn't a bad guy, but he is scary...

445
00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:52,432
...because he acts like he's a good guy.

446
00:39:52,641 --> 00:39:54,976
He is also a producer.

447
00:39:57,479 --> 00:40:01,858
He's a very diligent
guy, and interesting.

448
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:18,458
A little while ago, these two had a
chance to work together in another film...

449
00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:21,795
Those two in a same film?

450
00:40:22,003 --> 00:40:25,841
I didn't even realize it until
I saw both of them on the set.

451
00:40:26,133 --> 00:40:29,469
Well, they've acted together, so...

452
00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:36,810
...I really didn't think
I had to tell them anything.

453
00:40:36,977 --> 00:40:40,689
When we started shooting,
they suddenly said...

454
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:45,068
..."Why are you crying?"
"I'm not crying"...

455
00:40:45,944 --> 00:40:49,488
...and they went back
on acting normally.

456
00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:51,324
They were strange.

457
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:00,208
This is the scene...

458
00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:09,926
The depth of the blade is nowhere
near the depth of the body.

459
00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:16,766
There's no way the blade
can cut his body in half.

460
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:28,778
I think audiences want to
see something impossible.

461
00:41:29,905 --> 00:41:35,744
It's not interesting if
it's logically possible.

462
00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:41,291
People like it when the
weak defeat the strong.

463
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:45,211
Besides, before you talk
about the depth of the blade...

464
00:41:45,212 --> 00:41:48,548
...you have to think how he
keeps that blade in his shoes.

465
00:41:49,633 --> 00:41:57,974
Actually, the crew tried to
come with the mechanism first.

466
00:41:58,141 --> 00:42:03,897
If they don't understand
something, they can't stand it.

467
00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:08,360
I told them the size of the blade...

468
00:42:08,985 --> 00:42:12,113
...then they asked me where it's hidden.

469
00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:14,449
It's impossible.

470
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:19,079
It's a different story if
he doesn't have the heel.

471
00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:26,419
Some people care about
realistic details...

472
00:42:27,754 --> 00:42:32,509
...but I just want to make it happen.

473
00:42:32,926 --> 00:42:35,095
So it was brought up.

474
00:42:35,637 --> 00:42:41,977
When I met with CG crew the other day...

475
00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:47,983
...we talked about
the blade in the shoes.

476
00:42:48,316 --> 00:42:50,986
What I had in my head was that...

477
00:42:51,152 --> 00:42:57,284
...there is this thin flexible metal
plate on the side of the shoes...

478
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:02,414
...and something releases
and the metal plate pops out.

479
00:43:02,581 --> 00:43:07,043
I told them about it,
and they were like "Huh."

480
00:43:10,755 --> 00:43:17,178
The blade comes out really fast.

481
00:43:18,763 --> 00:43:26,313
Actually I like the fact that it comes
out so fast that you can't see it.

482
00:43:27,689 --> 00:43:33,569
The art director asked
me about the mechanism.

483
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:39,576
When we asked this costume
place, Jap Koubou...

484
00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:42,912
...to make lchi's costume and shoes...

485
00:43:43,163 --> 00:43:46,915
...the first thing they
asked me was about the blade.

486
00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:52,922
They needed to know, so they could
design and pick the material for it.

487
00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:56,718
But I couldn't give them an answer.

488
00:43:57,510 --> 00:44:04,267
I didn't want to reveal
the mystery of a hero.

489
00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:13,109
It's a mystery how the blade
comes out, but it just does.

490
00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:16,780
I wanted to keep it that way.

491
00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:27,707
We could've probably come up with some
logical explanation, just for the film.

492
00:44:28,083 --> 00:44:33,672
...but I decided not to, because I
wanted to make it even more mysterious.

493
00:44:34,464 --> 00:44:45,809
I felt like I was making something
imaginary, like a Sci-Fi film or fantasy film.

494
00:44:46,976 --> 00:44:55,026
Maybe I wanted lchi to be a hero.

495
00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:01,408
We put the image on the
video screen with CG later.

496
00:45:01,574 --> 00:45:02,449
Really?

497
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:06,913
We shot a version where he
was actually in this scene.

498
00:45:07,455 --> 00:45:13,878
He was sitting right
in front of Kakihara.

499
00:45:15,088 --> 00:45:19,884
But there was an accident,
and the film was damaged.

500
00:45:20,552 --> 00:45:21,885
So you re-shot this scene?

501
00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:26,348
Yes, but we found out that
Arizono couldn't make it that day.

502
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:28,435
He'd already started another project.

503
00:45:28,935 --> 00:45:30,645
We were in trouble.

504
00:45:31,271 --> 00:45:33,481
We had to improvise.

505
00:45:34,774 --> 00:45:39,988
I remembered that Arizono faints and
falls when Kakihara cuts his tongue...

506
00:45:40,363 --> 00:45:42,948
...so we decided to
put him in the hospital.

507
00:45:42,949 --> 00:45:49,372
And they are having a
meeting through a videophone.

508
00:45:50,457 --> 00:45:53,001
There was no choice.

509
00:45:54,169 --> 00:45:56,337
It was trouble.

510
00:45:56,588 --> 00:46:07,682
But that kind of trouble puts us into
the position where we have to be creative.

511
00:46:08,516 --> 00:46:17,358
So the more problems we encounter,
the more interesting the film can be.

512
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:19,818
If I didn't hear that story...

513
00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:24,908
...I would just think that the
scene was meant to be that way.

514
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:34,209
Being born into this world
itself is an accident to me.

515
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:41,508
I don't question why I'm here,
but I try to think what I can do.

516
00:46:44,886 --> 00:46:50,809
The film becomes more interesting
when you encounter a problem.

517
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:56,648
I had to deal with a lot of
difficulties while shooting lchi.

518
00:46:58,274 --> 00:47:04,197
But I realized that when I was
trying to overcome the troubles...

519
00:47:05,782 --> 00:47:10,245
...I could get closer to the actors.

520
00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:18,252
We can feel closer when
we're struggling together.

521
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:21,172
You're forced to do
something that wasn't planned.

522
00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,718
If there was no trouble, it
doesn't matter who directs it.

523
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,138
I'm sure it has something
to do with personality...

524
00:47:30,181 --> 00:47:40,149
...but when someone is in trouble,
that's when you see his true power.

525
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,988
You look like you are good
at situations like that.

526
00:47:46,656 --> 00:47:56,749
It's not necessarily a good situation,
and sometimes I want to run away.

527
00:47:56,958 --> 00:48:03,256
But I think I'm looking forward
to problems subconsciously.

528
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,108
Tsukamoto is making a new film now.

529
00:48:23,276 --> 00:48:28,405
He was invited to the Brussels Film
Festival, it's known to show bizarre films.

530
00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:31,075
It's at Brussels in Belgium.

531
00:48:31,284 --> 00:48:35,413
He was a judge for the festival.

532
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:41,251
The head of the judges
was Christopher Lee.

533
00:48:41,252 --> 00:48:44,839
He's a famous Dracula
actor from a long time ago.

534
00:48:45,423 --> 00:48:51,721
And in addition to Tsukamoto,
there was the guy, Freddy...

535
00:48:54,182 --> 00:48:58,645
Freddy from the Nightmare on
Elm Street was one of the judges.

536
00:48:59,187 --> 00:49:04,776
Dracula, Freddy and Tsukamoto
were judging the films.

537
00:49:05,193 --> 00:49:08,988
I was at the festival for about a week.

538
00:49:09,489 --> 00:49:12,324
It was really funny watching Tsukamoto.

539
00:49:12,325 --> 00:49:15,202
He was walking around
like a somnambulist.

540
00:49:15,203 --> 00:49:18,539
He was a judge, he was
forced to watch every film.

541
00:49:18,706 --> 00:49:21,416
He had to see 3-4 films a day...

542
00:49:21,417 --> 00:49:24,379
...and he'd come out
the theater exhausted.

543
00:49:24,587 --> 00:49:27,715
And the films they show in
Fanta are really bizarre.

544
00:49:30,551 --> 00:49:33,720
He'd have this strange look on
his face after each showing.

545
00:49:33,721 --> 00:49:37,141
So I'd go ask him what
kind of movie it was.

546
00:49:37,308 --> 00:49:43,815
He'd tell me, "it's a story about
a dog that becomes really big."

547
00:49:44,983 --> 00:49:49,112
And the next day, he'd tell
me, "A cat was eating people."

548
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:52,824
He was exhausted.

549
00:49:53,074 --> 00:49:54,492
Were all films like that?

550
00:49:55,243 --> 00:49:59,706
Well, as you could see from the judges,

551
00:50:00,415 --> 00:50:06,129
Fanta film festival is more
like a cult film festival.

552
00:50:06,295 --> 00:50:10,590
There are always many
hardcore fans in the festival.

553
00:50:10,591 --> 00:50:16,055
There are rooms that you have to
dress up in costume to see the events.

554
00:50:16,889 --> 00:50:28,234
This film festival always makes
me realize how crazy Europe is.

555
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:36,909
And of course, lchi the Killer
was shown at the festival.

556
00:50:37,076 --> 00:50:39,746
There was a party at
the end of the festival.

557
00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:43,291
And you have to wear costumes
to participate in the party.

558
00:50:44,584 --> 00:50:48,378
A famous film critic,
Tokitoshi Shiota, was there too.

559
00:50:48,379 --> 00:50:49,714
He was a three-eyed monster.

560
00:50:49,881 --> 00:50:54,635
The party was held in the
basement of a slaughterhouse.

561
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:01,642
Of course, it wasn't used anymore.
It used to be a slaughterhouse.

562
00:51:02,351 --> 00:51:13,446
They turned the basement of a huge
old slaughterhouse into a dance hall.

563
00:51:14,822 --> 00:51:22,580
If you weren't an invited
guest, you had to be in costume.

564
00:51:23,164 --> 00:51:24,957
It was great.

565
00:51:25,124 --> 00:51:27,919
I saw Yoda, even Pikachu.

566
00:51:28,836 --> 00:51:32,714
And many costumes are very elaborate.

567
00:51:32,715 --> 00:51:40,223
I saw a couple of Kakiharas in the
crowd. They had make-up on their mouths.

568
00:51:41,307 --> 00:51:47,230
Mr. Shiota wanted to
be Kakihara first...

569
00:51:47,647 --> 00:51:53,152
...so he went to one of make-up
booths at the party hall.

570
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:57,698
But then he saw a couple
of Kakiharas there.

571
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:01,744
So he decided to become
a three-eye monster.

572
00:52:01,911 --> 00:52:05,373
I don't know why he picked
that one, but he looked good.

573
00:52:06,666 --> 00:52:12,003
He looks like it's Halloween
without any costume on...

574
00:52:12,004 --> 00:52:15,007
...so the third eye made
him look even more strange.

575
00:52:15,842 --> 00:52:18,177
Were those Kakiharas
wearing the same costume?

576
00:52:19,428 --> 00:52:21,180
They had something red on.

577
00:52:22,014 --> 00:52:24,934
It was right after when it came out...

578
00:52:25,226 --> 00:52:29,605
...so they all had make-up on, but
they weren't wearing the same clothes.

579
00:52:30,606 --> 00:52:35,444
But majority of the audience was
in their late 40s to early 50s.

580
00:52:36,154 --> 00:52:38,030
I thought they were cool.

581
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:45,246
Did you decide to do this
cheek scene on the set?

582
00:52:45,705 --> 00:52:51,085
No, we had it planned, he
has fake stretchy cheeks on.

583
00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:52,170
Really?

584
00:52:52,545 --> 00:52:54,922
Yes, it's all special make-up.

585
00:52:55,631 --> 00:52:59,844
You can't really tell the difference
between the fake cheek and the real skin.

586
00:53:00,428 --> 00:53:05,641
That's what's so great about Matsui.

587
00:53:06,934 --> 00:53:10,646
He's a very good
special make-up artist...

588
00:53:11,314 --> 00:53:20,573
...but he's almost obsessed when
it comes to mutilating body parts.

589
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:26,786
Look at it stretch, it's awful.

590
00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:32,043
So this scene was
originally in the script?

591
00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:33,836
Yes, that's right.

592
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:39,175
The screenplay was written
by Sakichi Sato, he's crazy.

593
00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:47,892
You can't really describe how
it stretches in the script.

594
00:53:48,059 --> 00:53:51,812
It didn't say his cheek
stretched that much.

595
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,444
He was supposed to pull
it as much as he could.

596
00:53:58,611 --> 00:54:01,697
But human skin doesn't
stretch that much.

597
00:54:02,448 --> 00:54:05,868
So I thought I would ask
Matsui to make it stretch more.

598
00:54:08,913 --> 00:54:12,416
I like how she gets so
turned on by stretching it.

599
00:54:30,434 --> 00:54:36,941
I started thinking about many
different things watching this film.

600
00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:47,743
I originally created this story,
and now I'm watching it as a film...

601
00:54:48,327 --> 00:54:51,372
I remember the process we took.

602
00:54:57,586 --> 00:55:05,678
I can't remember if there was any
scene about lchi and a kid in the manga.

603
00:55:06,887 --> 00:55:12,977
I feel like there was,
but I can't remember now.

604
00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:24,529
You created the original story, but I
usually work with the finished script.

605
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:33,414
So a lot of film people don't feel
like they're creating something new.

606
00:55:35,082 --> 00:55:43,841
Because we start from
making the story into a film.

607
00:55:44,717 --> 00:55:49,013
But I started thinking...

608
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:58,022
...maybe it's more interesting if
we come up with the original story...

609
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,320
...and make the film as
an extension of the story.

610
00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:12,327
I feel like traditional Japanese
filmmaking is running out of options.

611
00:56:12,328 --> 00:56:16,415
Are you planning to do it?

612
00:56:16,749 --> 00:56:22,004
I've been writing a story...

613
00:56:22,338 --> 00:56:29,553
I don't know how to explain...

614
00:56:30,763 --> 00:56:37,395
It's fun, but I really don't
know what to do with it.

615
00:56:38,354 --> 00:56:40,314
What do you mean?

616
00:56:42,024 --> 00:56:47,530
I have to explain my story to
producers, and I'm getting tired of it.

617
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,541
The story I'm trying to create is very
hard for some people to understand.

618
00:57:02,128 --> 00:57:09,385
In your case, you've already
gone through the process.

619
00:57:10,845 --> 00:57:15,057
Your work has been accepted by
the audience and established fans.

620
00:57:15,558 --> 00:57:20,354
After all that, it's decided
to make it into a film.

621
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:25,818
Making something that
has potential to...

622
00:57:25,985 --> 00:57:31,782
...become a film is
different than making a film.

623
00:57:31,949 --> 00:57:40,416
Just making films can dull your
sense of creating something original.

624
00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:45,421
I have to change the perspective...

625
00:57:45,588 --> 00:57:50,509
...and create something
from the very beginning.

626
00:57:50,843 --> 00:57:55,055
Otherwise, it's not
going to be my movie.

627
00:57:55,556 --> 00:58:02,688
I realized that when
I was shooting lchi.

628
00:58:06,317 --> 00:58:13,407
But when I actually write something, I
don't know what to do after I finish writing.

629
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:18,829
It doesn't move forward from there.

630
00:58:19,371 --> 00:58:20,915
You aren't planning
to make it into a film?

631
00:58:21,081 --> 00:58:25,544
I'm planning to make a film
based on it, eventually.

632
00:58:25,878 --> 00:58:33,636
Is it hard to develop the story without
seeing the reaction from the audience?

633
00:58:33,844 --> 00:58:39,600
It is, and if the producer has an
opinion, I have to start it over again.

634
00:58:40,434 --> 00:58:44,605
As I write I'll come up with
different ideas and concepts...

635
00:58:44,772 --> 00:58:49,485
...then I have to change the budget
and the actors according to the story.

636
00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:58,577
And I have to think if it's worth
going through all that trouble.

637
00:59:10,881 --> 00:59:12,841
You found such a perfect apartment.

638
00:59:14,134 --> 00:59:19,682
This place had strict regulations...

639
00:59:20,808 --> 00:59:25,479
...but I wanted to use
a building in Shinjuku.

640
00:59:27,481 --> 00:59:29,149
This scene...

641
00:59:29,316 --> 00:59:33,529
This is the face of our AD, Nishiumi.

642
00:59:34,488 --> 00:59:35,906
Awful, isn't it?

643
00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:43,080
He was useless as an AD, so
we decided to use his face.

644
00:59:44,707 --> 00:59:48,836
We still work together.

645
00:59:49,253 --> 00:59:55,134
He used the picture of this
face for his new year's cards.

646
00:59:55,301 --> 00:59:59,680
Who would want to receive a new
year's card with this on it...

647
00:59:59,972 --> 01:00:03,058
...in the beginning of the year, you know?

648
01:00:03,225 --> 01:00:05,477
He's a strange guy.

649
01:00:06,478 --> 01:00:16,280
Most of my crew also act, and
they make money acting, too.

650
01:00:16,822 --> 01:00:21,035
Actors are making a film.

651
01:00:22,536 --> 01:00:27,750
And my AD has to be able to act well.

652
01:00:28,626 --> 01:00:29,627
I see.

653
01:00:30,002 --> 01:00:47,186
The professional actors act better
when they work with unique actors.

654
01:00:47,478 --> 01:00:55,861
The actors were inspired by
that ex-kick boxer, Niizuma.

655
01:00:56,945 --> 01:01:01,408
Because he isn't acting
scary, he is scary.

656
01:01:01,784 --> 01:01:09,708
So professional actors give up trying
to act scary like him, instead...

657
01:01:10,125 --> 01:01:13,504
...they'll come up with
something else to be scary.

658
01:01:13,712 --> 01:01:19,927
Many different elements can
make a film more interesting.

659
01:01:20,094 --> 01:01:22,888
You can't do that in a play.

660
01:01:23,055 --> 01:01:25,808
You have to have good actors for a play.

661
01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:30,186
If you have one bad actor,
he can ruin the whole play.

662
01:01:30,187 --> 01:01:31,813
It's different in a film.

663
01:01:31,814 --> 01:01:37,611
When actors break the balance in a
film, the film can be very interesting.

664
01:01:37,778 --> 01:01:42,657
There will be limitless possibilities
of what the film will be like.

665
01:01:42,658 --> 01:01:44,910
That's true.

666
01:01:54,169 --> 01:01:55,796
What's happening now?

667
01:01:57,131 --> 01:02:03,345
This is right before he returns
to the office filled with organs.

668
01:02:07,099 --> 01:02:09,560
He can feel it...

669
01:02:10,978 --> 01:02:13,605
You know something is about to happen.

670
01:02:14,732 --> 01:02:17,401
Actually...

671
01:02:20,738 --> 01:02:25,284
...I wanted to have ten
times more organs than this.

672
01:02:25,534 --> 01:02:33,000
When I shoot a scene like this,
it makes me want to add more.

673
01:02:34,543 --> 01:02:37,296
So we kept adding more organs.

674
01:02:37,504 --> 01:02:40,674
That's a lot of organs...

675
01:02:41,216 --> 01:02:46,513
Organs are very fascinating.

676
01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:54,062
Actually those organs
are from just two pigs.

677
01:02:56,023 --> 01:02:57,107
Just two?

678
01:02:57,274 --> 01:03:04,490
Yes, and it was enough to
fill the floor of this room.

679
01:03:08,368 --> 01:03:17,127
Originally, I wanted to use one long
intestine from esophagus to colon.

680
01:03:17,377 --> 01:03:23,091
But I couldn't find it.

681
01:03:25,469 --> 01:03:29,807
I heard that you poured vanilla
extract all over this room.

682
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,227
Yes, the smell was so intense.

683
01:03:36,605 --> 01:03:40,275
I hear a lot of people liked this scene.

684
01:03:41,527 --> 01:03:44,696
He says a human is
made of one long tube...

685
01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:48,575
I wanted him to tug it...

686
01:03:48,784 --> 01:03:55,207
...and I'd shoot the beginning
of the intestines to the colon.

687
01:03:56,208 --> 01:03:59,044
You like organs, don't you?

688
01:04:02,005 --> 01:04:04,758
I don't hate organs.

689
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:11,306
One of the differences between
my manga and your film...

690
01:04:11,473 --> 01:04:15,227
...was the amount of blood and organs.

691
01:04:20,399 --> 01:04:23,986
I imagine it's hard to
draw organs in a manga.

692
01:04:24,486 --> 01:04:25,820
I think so.

693
01:04:25,821 --> 01:04:30,033
I don't think there are
any organs in my manga.

694
01:04:41,461 --> 01:04:43,338
Is he burning the body parts?

695
01:04:43,505 --> 01:04:45,299
Yes, on the roof.

696
01:04:46,508 --> 01:04:47,800
Outrageous, isn't it?

697
01:04:47,801 --> 01:04:51,263
And his son is there playing.

698
01:04:53,223 --> 01:04:55,893
They are spending some family time.

699
01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:07,613
I like when there are two completely
different elements in a scene...

700
01:05:07,946 --> 01:05:13,911
...and the characters are acting normal.

701
01:05:16,663 --> 01:05:21,418
The music in this film
is the same thing...

702
01:05:22,044 --> 01:05:27,716
Usually, the music is composed
after the movie is made.

703
01:05:28,383 --> 01:05:32,012
But the composer, Seiichi Yamamoto,
didn't watch the whole movie.

704
01:05:36,391 --> 01:05:45,567
He composed the music
based on your manga.

705
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,448
He spent a long time composing,
there are more than 40 songs.

706
01:05:53,533 --> 01:06:00,666
I asked him to do whatever he wanted,
so the music itself has its own story.

707
01:06:01,166 --> 01:06:07,839
None of the music is made
for a particular scene.

708
01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:19,059
Because that's not the composer's
job, he just creates music.

709
01:06:19,351 --> 01:06:27,567
The music is what he felt from the manga,
and we just put the music to the film.

710
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:37,452
It was really interesting, we put
music to each scene by ourselves.

711
01:06:39,162 --> 01:06:40,871
By yourself?

712
01:06:40,872 --> 01:06:45,752
Yes, I got to pick the music,
and put it right where I wanted.

713
01:06:47,462 --> 01:06:51,008
I felt comfortable doing it, too.

714
01:06:55,012 --> 01:06:57,639
There he is, Sakichi.

715
01:06:58,849 --> 01:07:05,772
This guy here, looks like a real
low-life, kicking the guy on the ground...

716
01:07:06,064 --> 01:07:09,609
...is our screenwriter, Sakichi Sato.

717
01:07:09,985 --> 01:07:12,403
Did he request to do this scene?

718
01:07:12,404 --> 01:07:17,117
No, but we all agreed that only
he could do a scene like this.

719
01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:19,036
He was typecast.

720
01:07:19,286 --> 01:07:22,205
Yes, either him, or Jiro & Saburo.

721
01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:35,844
When you shot this scene, you asked
me if I wanted to be in the film.

722
01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:44,478
Did you have any idea when I
would show up in this film then?

723
01:07:44,686 --> 01:07:48,273
"When" isn't really a problem.

724
01:07:49,816 --> 01:07:55,196
It's the matter of
where we are in the film.

725
01:07:55,197 --> 01:07:58,909
What kind of moment we're in.

726
01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:03,246
And we would come up with
something for you to do.

727
01:08:05,207 --> 01:08:12,172
When we cast, we're not just filling
the spots for the characters...

728
01:08:12,714 --> 01:08:23,475
...but if we see someone different
from what we're looking for...

729
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:34,861
...we want our actors to do it the
way they can, and enjoy the role.

730
01:08:35,195 --> 01:08:41,034
And I'd show it to my
friends and see the result.

731
01:08:41,618 --> 01:08:45,831
I always make a decision
right there on the spot.

732
01:08:46,081 --> 01:08:55,549
I'm not good at planning everything
in advance and just following the plan.

733
01:08:55,715 --> 01:09:04,766
We could be more creative
when we encounter a problem.

734
01:09:06,768 --> 01:09:16,611
I think that's how a film is
made, involving many people.

735
01:09:22,659 --> 01:09:30,375
My publishers and I were talking
about this scene the other day.

736
01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:47,642
We were impressed how this event
from the past was put into the story.

737
01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:51,521
It's very complex but very natural.

738
01:09:52,105 --> 01:09:55,567
It's at some Chinese restaurant,
they are eating ramen...

739
01:09:56,151 --> 01:10:03,700
This is actually the
first day of filming.

740
01:10:04,201 --> 01:10:09,914
Normally filming starts
with an easy scene.

741
01:10:09,915 --> 01:10:16,796
But because of the schedule, we
had to shoot this on the first day.

742
01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:24,554
Everyone, the crew and actors, met
at this scene for the first time.

743
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:33,104
The scene where Kakihara turns around
is the very first shot of Kakihara.

744
01:10:33,605 --> 01:10:37,901
This is a very intense scene.

745
01:10:38,276 --> 01:10:48,828
That's why we picked a
dingy ramen restaurant.

746
01:10:49,037 --> 01:10:53,875
If this was a couple of days
after we started shooting...

747
01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:56,795
...I'm sure they'd act differently.

748
01:10:57,170 --> 01:11:02,049
But I don't know if that's
a good thing or bad thing...

749
01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:04,135
...and it's waste of
time to think about it.

750
01:11:05,887 --> 01:11:10,976
Oomori and I didn't discuss
what lchi was like...

751
01:11:11,559 --> 01:11:17,524
...but we just started
filming to understand lchi.

752
01:11:17,732 --> 01:11:20,110
I didn't really talk to actors.

753
01:11:20,777 --> 01:11:24,238
Because I didn't know
what I wanted, either.

754
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:32,372
If I directed actors to act in
certain ways, it would be boring.

755
01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:35,667
I avoided eye contact with everyone.

756
01:11:36,459 --> 01:11:39,254
So they were a little nervous
when we started shooting.

757
01:11:39,421 --> 01:11:43,049
They didn't know what
their motivations were.

758
01:11:43,216 --> 01:11:51,391
But knowing what you're supposed
to do isn't what actings all about.

759
01:11:53,184 --> 01:12:02,319
This is kind of the point where
things start to get crazier.

760
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:09,992
Not from the view of
someone particular...

761
01:12:09,993 --> 01:12:15,915
...you can feel that all
hell will break loose soon.

762
01:12:16,416 --> 01:12:24,674
When they walked into the
restaurant, they went back to the past.

763
01:12:25,383 --> 01:12:35,643
And this restaurant scene is kind of
like a midpoint of past and present.

764
01:12:36,478 --> 01:12:48,323
When I was reading the screenplay, I
could tell this was the transition point.

765
01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:51,159
I could see a red line on the script.

766
01:12:54,204 --> 01:12:58,458
I'm sure different directors see
the sign on the different spot.

767
01:12:58,666 --> 01:13:04,255
I saw the schedule and we were booked
to shoot this scene the first day.

768
01:13:04,422 --> 01:13:09,052
So I thought it was fate.

769
01:13:12,806 --> 01:13:23,441
This scene was shot a lot later, so
Oomori already knew what lchi was like.

770
01:13:26,236 --> 01:13:31,615
It looks very natural, even
though it was shot days apart.

771
01:13:31,616 --> 01:13:46,131
We don't have the person who records
how scenes connect and make sense.

772
01:13:46,381 --> 01:13:53,638
As long as the actors
act the way they feel...

773
01:13:55,598 --> 01:14:02,105
...I don't care if the scenes
don't connect to each other.

774
01:14:02,313 --> 01:14:08,861
It doesn't matter if the actors didn't
know what they were supposed to do.

775
01:14:08,862 --> 01:14:12,781
I'm not too worried about
the details like that yet.

776
01:14:12,782 --> 01:14:20,874
And I don't think I'm quite there yet,
to think about the details like that.

777
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:28,673
I should enjoy myself instead of
trying to make a film that makes sense.

778
01:14:29,883 --> 01:14:37,390
So I don't think I can become a good
director, and I don't wish to be one.

779
01:14:39,559 --> 01:14:42,312
Do you know any other director like you?

780
01:14:43,021 --> 01:14:44,689
I wonder...

781
01:14:44,856 --> 01:14:49,444
But I'm sure there are some.

782
01:14:51,821 --> 01:15:00,330
Usually a director is a very intense
person, but you aren't like that at all.

783
01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:04,000
When I try to be very
serious, I fall asleep.

784
01:15:14,886 --> 01:15:21,309
Is this the scene where
lchi gets another mission?

785
01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:30,985
Yes, Jijii is trying to make
him go on one last mission.

786
01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:32,779
But lchi's having
doubts about his mission.

787
01:15:40,787 --> 01:15:42,580
There they are, Jiro and Saburo.

788
01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:48,127
This actor, Suzuki Matsuo...

789
01:16:00,223 --> 01:16:02,058
He is unique.

790
01:16:03,851 --> 01:16:09,232
He is very mysterious.

791
01:16:11,609 --> 01:16:22,453
I remember when we were casting, we
were thinking about using real twins...

792
01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:28,001
...but then you said
"Let's do it with CG."

793
01:16:28,626 --> 01:16:31,379
I thought that was funny.

794
01:16:32,714 --> 01:16:39,262
When I thought of these characters, I
didn't think we could find perfect twins.

795
01:16:42,473 --> 01:16:44,100
I see.

796
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:52,191
Then "twins" became an
important element in the story.

797
01:16:52,984 --> 01:17:02,285
And it would be really hard to find
twins that could act and be unique.

798
01:17:02,994 --> 01:17:09,334
If Mitoizumi had a twin brother, it'd
be perfect, but that's impossible.

799
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:19,552
It would be scary if
there were two of him.

800
01:17:22,013 --> 01:17:24,932
It's a different kind of scariness.

801
01:17:29,437 --> 01:17:34,609
Sabu hadn't been acting
for a while before this.

802
01:17:35,610 --> 01:17:38,779
What do you think of him as an actor?

803
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:40,239
I like him.

804
01:17:41,115 --> 01:17:45,745
He looks very normal.

805
01:17:47,413 --> 01:17:54,629
He was in my films before
he started directing.

806
01:17:55,004 --> 01:17:59,759
He was probably
frustrated from directing.

807
01:18:01,386 --> 01:18:08,934
He felt that he could've made a
better film if he acted himself.

808
01:18:08,935 --> 01:18:14,107
Because he knew exactly
what he wanted...

809
01:18:14,482 --> 01:18:16,776
...so he decided to act again.

810
01:18:18,945 --> 01:18:29,706
But his pride had been
making him avoid acting.

811
01:18:30,289 --> 01:18:35,795
So I'm glad that he came out of
his shell and started acting again.

812
01:18:36,337 --> 01:18:38,172
Are there any bad actors?

813
01:18:40,174 --> 01:18:45,263
I'm sure there are some actors
that I don't get along with...

814
01:18:45,513 --> 01:18:52,645
...but I always find something
interesting about every actor.

815
01:18:53,396 --> 01:18:59,360
Or maybe I'm just trying to
see anything I can in them...

816
01:18:59,652 --> 01:19:03,406
...so that I can respect them.

817
01:19:04,115 --> 01:19:08,411
I'm impressed by a simple thing.

818
01:19:09,746 --> 01:19:13,499
Acting is a strange occupation.

819
01:19:14,917 --> 01:19:18,421
I wonder if they really
think about their future.

820
01:19:21,132 --> 01:19:24,385
Maybe that's why I
find actors fascinating.

821
01:19:24,552 --> 01:19:30,683
There are many film
makers in this film...

822
01:19:32,226 --> 01:19:34,145
...like Tsukamoto.

823
01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:44,863
He usually directs
and acts in his films.

824
01:19:44,864 --> 01:19:51,203
I have the actors around
me when I make a film...

825
01:19:51,204 --> 01:19:54,916
...but their world is
actually far away from mine.

826
01:19:56,584 --> 01:20:02,173
Even if I decide to
act in my own film...

827
01:20:02,548 --> 01:20:08,471
...I'll just play some joke character.

828
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,015
It's not the same as
what the real actors do.

829
01:20:12,016 --> 01:20:15,061
I don't know how they
can do that for a living.

830
01:20:16,813 --> 01:20:21,317
I don't think I can live like that.

831
01:20:21,484 --> 01:20:23,945
So even if they aren't famous...

832
01:20:24,111 --> 01:20:31,619
Actually I respect them even
more if they aren't successful.

833
01:20:36,791 --> 01:20:40,419
He's casually walking down
the street in that costume...

834
01:20:40,670 --> 01:20:45,508
You can do that only in Kabukicho.

835
01:20:48,386 --> 01:20:55,184
It's a city where anything could happen.

836
01:20:55,935 --> 01:20:58,688
Didn't he stand out?

837
01:20:59,230 --> 01:21:01,023
Not at all.

838
01:21:02,191 --> 01:21:06,529
Some people were saying, "it's lchi"...

839
01:21:07,029 --> 01:21:11,659
...but they didn't cause
a scene or anything.

840
01:21:12,994 --> 01:21:18,832
There was a fire in Kabukicho
and a lot of people died.

841
01:21:18,833 --> 01:21:26,966
But anything that happens in
Kabukicho is very unrealistic.

842
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:34,015
You can't tell if it's really
happening or just a dream.

843
01:21:34,515 --> 01:21:42,690
But the fire actually happened, and
many people were burned to death.

844
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:51,991
To me, that incident was more
shocking than September 11th.

845
01:21:52,408 --> 01:21:54,284
September 11th?

846
01:21:54,285 --> 01:21:56,954
The World Trade Center incident.

847
01:21:57,580 --> 01:22:00,124
I know what you mean.

848
01:22:00,666 --> 01:22:07,548
Kabukicho is like a scene
from "Alice in Wonderland."

849
01:22:13,346 --> 01:22:20,561
I visit there a lot, but the inside
of Kabukicho changes constantly.

850
01:22:21,354 --> 01:22:24,148
I even feel uneasy being there.

851
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:32,865
Even the people in the city will be
different, but Kabukicho is still there.

852
01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,786
That's what Kabukicho is like.

853
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:41,165
I can't take this scene, this
sound is a little too much...

854
01:22:43,125 --> 01:22:45,294
Many people can't take it...

855
01:22:45,503 --> 01:22:48,422
Even I thought it was a little too much.

856
01:22:48,839 --> 01:22:50,257
Metal against metal.

857
01:22:53,052 --> 01:22:54,804
That sound...

858
01:22:57,932 --> 01:23:04,271
It sounds a lot nastier
than nails on the blackboard.

859
01:23:04,897 --> 01:23:08,776
It goes straight to the bones.

860
01:23:17,618 --> 01:23:23,207
People who barely made it through the
"tongue scene" would walk out here.

861
01:23:23,457 --> 01:23:26,711
This is the second point.

862
01:23:29,380 --> 01:23:35,636
But if you make it through this scene...

863
01:23:35,886 --> 01:23:38,055
...you're immune to it...

864
01:23:38,222 --> 01:23:46,105
That's right, and it's just a matter
of how you enjoy the rest of the film.

865
01:23:46,397 --> 01:23:50,276
Some people even stop reading manga
when there's a scene like this.

866
01:23:51,027 --> 01:23:54,572
I would get drawn in.

867
01:23:54,822 --> 01:24:00,703
If they made it through the scene,
they'd be able to read the rest.

868
01:24:05,332 --> 01:24:09,253
But the tongue scene
must be the hardest scene.

869
01:24:09,503 --> 01:24:11,797
You can sense an
even worse situation coming.

870
01:24:23,851 --> 01:24:27,687
Did you use CG just for the face?

871
01:24:27,688 --> 01:24:34,904
No, we shot Jiro and Saburo separately.

872
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:39,075
He had to play two roles.

873
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:47,124
This is a perfect plan.

874
01:24:47,833 --> 01:24:49,043
What do you mean?

875
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:55,091
Usually if an actor has two different roles,
he gets paid for each character, but...

876
01:24:55,424 --> 01:24:57,717
...we only had to pay
him for one character.

877
01:24:57,718 --> 01:25:01,888
So if I had everyone act as twins,
the cost for actors would be half.

878
01:25:01,889 --> 01:25:05,058
It'll be a story about twins.

879
01:25:05,059 --> 01:25:07,144
They are from the twin planet.

880
01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:13,359
His keen sense of smell...

881
01:25:13,859 --> 01:25:20,908
Originally we were
supposed to use a K-9...

882
01:25:21,075 --> 01:25:26,247
It said so in the script.

883
01:25:27,164 --> 01:25:32,128
But it's really difficult
to handle a German Shepard.

884
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:37,800
It would take a long time to shoot.

885
01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:44,932
And we'd have to wait for the dog
to do what you wanted it to do.

886
01:25:45,182 --> 01:25:52,648
We had a lot more to do,
and couldn't afford the time.

887
01:25:55,860 --> 01:25:59,238
But if we didn't have Matsuo,
it would've been different.

888
01:25:59,572 --> 01:26:04,243
You could just put ears on
Matsuo, and he would be a dog.

889
01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:12,918
If it were a different actor, we
would've had a different result.

890
01:26:16,338 --> 01:26:18,174
Did you consider a different
actor for the twins?

891
01:26:18,883 --> 01:26:26,140
We had some, but
basically our producer...

892
01:26:27,683 --> 01:26:35,691
...Mataro Miyazaki, did the casting.

893
01:26:37,151 --> 01:26:42,907
You could see the sense
of Miyazaki in the casting.

894
01:26:45,117 --> 01:26:47,745
He looks like he could be
very anal about those things.

895
01:26:47,912 --> 01:26:49,330
He is.

896
01:26:55,753 --> 01:27:01,759
This scene, where Kaneko snaps...

897
01:27:02,218 --> 01:27:04,178
Was it in the script?

898
01:27:07,681 --> 01:27:12,852
He's being seriously
violent, so I think it was...

899
01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:19,109
I heard a lot of people
were surprised by this scene.

900
01:27:20,236 --> 01:27:25,365
I think many people felt betrayed.

901
01:27:25,366 --> 01:27:28,577
In the end, Kaneko is a human being.

902
01:27:28,827 --> 01:27:38,963
Many people felt that they could even
be friends with somebody like him.

903
01:27:40,172 --> 01:27:45,094
But suddenly his true self is revealed.

904
01:27:45,469 --> 01:27:51,433
Because they trusted him,
they were shocked even more.

905
01:27:51,684 --> 01:27:57,439
He gets enraged and kills the girl.

906
01:27:59,066 --> 01:28:07,574
But I could totally understand
the mental state he's in.

907
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,244
I'm sure you could.

908
01:28:11,537 --> 01:28:16,083
To me, his reaction was
very natural from the...

909
01:28:16,625 --> 01:28:24,675
...scene of him having the conversation
with other yakuza in the hallway...

910
01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:28,846
...to him getting enraged.

911
01:28:31,056 --> 01:28:36,020
A situation changes
someone's perspective.

912
01:28:36,186 --> 01:28:41,442
Everyone knows their true self, but
they pretend that they don't know it.

913
01:28:41,900 --> 01:28:45,029
But your true self comes
out once in a while.

914
01:28:46,113 --> 01:28:50,033
If you accept your true
self, and watch this film...

915
01:28:50,034 --> 01:28:54,496
...you'll understand the
characters' feelings in this film.

916
01:28:54,663 --> 01:28:59,084
They are very honest
about what they believe.

917
01:28:59,668 --> 01:29:02,421
They don't lie to themselves.

918
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:09,178
Everyone in this film is very pure.

919
01:29:09,803 --> 01:29:13,932
So I felt really good
shooting these characters.

920
01:29:14,099 --> 01:29:16,894
I didn't have to think
about small stuff.

921
01:29:31,283 --> 01:29:32,826
This is a good scene.

922
01:29:35,579 --> 01:29:37,039
It's also a sad scene.

923
01:29:46,382 --> 01:29:49,968
It's like watching wild animals.

924
01:29:53,138 --> 01:29:59,520
We ended up using the teeth
that look like animal teeth.

925
01:29:59,853 --> 01:30:04,066
Normal teeth won't work,
especially with that kind of scene.

926
01:30:04,483 --> 01:30:08,278
If they were normal teeth, you
wouldn't be able to see the teeth...

927
01:30:08,445 --> 01:30:11,240
...and then you wouldn't
feel the pain he was in.

928
01:30:11,448 --> 01:30:17,538
He almost looks like a monster, and
that was the only way to show his teeth.

929
01:30:18,038 --> 01:30:23,752
The teeth didn't look like
that in other scenes...

930
01:30:24,086 --> 01:30:29,091
...so we decided that his teeth
would transform when he bites.

931
01:30:32,094 --> 01:30:37,266
CG crew had many questions
working on this...

932
01:30:37,891 --> 01:30:43,063
...saying that the scene
wasn't making sense.

933
01:30:48,277 --> 01:30:49,570
What does "Kawa" mean?

934
01:30:49,862 --> 01:30:52,698
Actually...

935
01:30:54,408 --> 01:31:01,582
We used the sound effects of crows
crying, and they're crying "Kah" there...

936
01:31:01,957 --> 01:31:09,882
...but I've heard crows cry "Kawa."

937
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,305
I'm not really sure if it's a...

938
01:31:17,514 --> 01:31:23,644
...different kind of crow or they cry
"Kawa" at a certain time of day.

939
01:31:23,645 --> 01:31:28,567
All I know that there
are crows that cry " Kawa."

940
01:31:29,151 --> 01:31:34,156
I thought crows in
Japan must be all the same...

941
01:31:34,865 --> 01:31:40,454
...so I tried to find
crows crying " Kawa."

942
01:31:40,787 --> 01:31:47,294
But I couldn't find them,
and we couldn't get the sound.

943
01:31:48,754 --> 01:32:04,978
You may not notice it but I'm
sure everyone must've heard of it.

944
01:32:05,437 --> 01:32:13,194
So when you hear it in this scene,
I wanted people to remember it.

945
01:32:13,195 --> 01:32:22,788
That's what I wanted to do, but
we just couldn't get the sound.

946
01:32:23,288 --> 01:32:35,800
I just wanted to show that he only loves
things that are different from others.

947
01:32:35,801 --> 01:32:42,641
He was looking for the one that
cries " Kawa", so he could feed it.

948
01:32:42,975 --> 01:32:46,645
That's the reason behind "Kawa."

949
01:32:47,563 --> 01:32:50,274
I found out that you like crows.

950
01:32:50,857 --> 01:32:53,860
I find them fascinating.

951
01:32:54,027 --> 01:32:58,823
It's scary when they
fly to me in a pack...

952
01:32:58,824 --> 01:33:01,076
It gives me Goosebumps.

953
01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:04,705
...but they are part of everyday life.

954
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:09,668
They are everywhere we, humans, live.

955
01:33:11,878 --> 01:33:17,259
My office is in Shibuya.

956
01:33:19,595 --> 01:33:27,978
When I'm in the office, I'll only
hear the sound of cars, and crows.

957
01:33:28,729 --> 01:33:35,193
They're everywhere, but
most people don't like them.

958
01:33:35,527 --> 01:33:40,240
We don't even know where they sleep.

959
01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:46,997
I like how they are mysterious.

960
01:33:48,081 --> 01:33:52,919
I have a lot of CG samples of crows.

961
01:33:53,545 --> 01:33:57,049
So I can use crows in
my films anytime I want.

962
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:08,018
She's speaking in English here...

963
01:34:09,269 --> 01:34:13,106
...but lchi understands
what she's saying.

964
01:34:14,232 --> 01:34:18,862
In this film...

965
01:34:20,030 --> 01:34:27,704
...there are no translations
involved for the characters.

966
01:34:28,205 --> 01:34:38,340
Characters speak their language,
and they just understand each other.

967
01:34:38,882 --> 01:34:58,527
If this was a film about the difference
in culture, it'll be a different story.

968
01:35:02,155 --> 01:35:13,709
Nationality doesn't matter in lchi, but
their personalities are more important.

969
01:35:14,084 --> 01:35:18,338
That's why we took out
the language barrier.

970
01:35:20,215 --> 01:35:28,056
Jijii and she have conversation in
their own language, Japanese and Chinese.

971
01:35:31,393 --> 01:35:41,486
You may find it a little strange
but it doesn't bother you much.

972
01:35:41,695 --> 01:35:43,572
That's true.

973
01:35:44,948 --> 01:35:55,542
Because this film itself is
stranger than anything else.

974
01:35:56,251 --> 01:35:59,463
Forget the small stuff.

975
01:36:07,846 --> 01:36:12,976
This room was really small.

976
01:36:14,436 --> 01:36:19,024
It is actually a lot
smaller than it looks.

977
01:36:19,608 --> 01:36:26,698
You can see that there are only
three Tatami and a half in this room.

978
01:36:28,116 --> 01:36:34,122
The camera takes up a half a Tatami,
it's almost impossible to film.

979
01:36:34,706 --> 01:36:37,250
But I really liked this room.

980
01:36:38,752 --> 01:36:48,637
And if it were a normal cameraman,
it wouldn't have happened.

981
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:57,103
But our cameraman, Hideo
Yamamoto, said, "I can do it."

982
01:36:57,813 --> 01:37:12,244
When you make a film like lchi, you can't
let problems like that get in the way.

983
01:37:12,410 --> 01:37:14,537
It's physically impossible.

984
01:37:14,538 --> 01:37:19,376
We used a crane to shoot the shot.

985
01:37:19,584 --> 01:37:21,794
So you brought in the
crane from outside?

986
01:37:21,795 --> 01:37:25,006
Yes, we squeezed a small crane inside.

987
01:37:26,049 --> 01:37:28,426
It was crazy.

988
01:37:30,762 --> 01:37:33,056
It is a real apartment, right?

989
01:37:33,223 --> 01:37:34,182
Yes, it is.

990
01:37:37,561 --> 01:37:39,437
How did you find this place?

991
01:37:40,355 --> 01:37:45,819
I'd explain what I had in my
mind to the location people...

992
01:37:47,112 --> 01:37:51,116
...and they would go look for it.

993
01:37:51,283 --> 01:37:55,704
This was actually very
close to our office.

994
01:37:58,665 --> 01:38:03,420
The wardrobe person, Michiko
Kitamura, has an assistant...

995
01:38:03,628 --> 01:38:08,216
...who lives in this apartment complex.

996
01:38:08,758 --> 01:38:16,224
They had their studio for
making costumes downstairs.

997
01:38:18,852 --> 01:38:25,650
There are few areas in Tokyo where
you can find an apartment like this...

998
01:38:27,694 --> 01:38:33,992
...like in Okubo, and Nishi Shinjuku.

999
01:38:34,618 --> 01:38:37,871
But they are disappearing.

1000
01:38:38,830 --> 01:38:39,998
That's true...

1001
01:38:40,415 --> 01:38:50,133
Maybe that's why I wanted
to use this apartment.

1002
01:38:50,634 --> 01:38:54,219
This complex might not
be here next year...

1003
01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:58,391
...so I wanted to film
in there before it's gone.

1004
01:39:03,813 --> 01:39:08,735
There, her foot is gone but you can
see the background where her foot was.

1005
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:13,280
Did you add the background later?

1006
01:39:13,281 --> 01:39:24,250
We used the shot of the
background for where her foot is.

1007
01:39:24,417 --> 01:39:41,643
We shot this scene from the same angle
twice, with actors, and without actors.

1008
01:39:41,935 --> 01:39:47,899
And we took her foot
out from each frame...

1009
01:39:48,233 --> 01:39:55,532
...and replaced it with the background.

1010
01:39:55,699 --> 01:39:58,034
Sounds like a painstaking process.

1011
01:39:58,284 --> 01:40:06,501
Normally, people use motion-control
to do that kind of stuff, but...

1012
01:40:07,085 --> 01:40:12,841
...we're very analog, so we just
have to work with what we have.

1013
01:40:13,174 --> 01:40:16,344
But the crew always
comes up with something.

1014
01:40:17,178 --> 01:40:21,641
Even if the method isn't practical...

1015
01:40:22,017 --> 01:40:29,899
...the film crew's struggle
can create the perfect effect.

1016
01:40:30,859 --> 01:40:36,656
If we had everything we
needed to make a film...

1017
01:40:37,407 --> 01:40:47,417
...the quality of the film might
be better and professional, but...

1018
01:40:48,043 --> 01:40:55,675
...I think it's more interesting to
make a film, struggling and improvising.

1019
01:41:26,873 --> 01:41:31,461
You can see how Asano's
enjoying his character here.

1020
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,130
Did you shoot this later in the filming?

1021
01:41:34,464 --> 01:41:42,639
Yes, and this room is a
set built on the location.

1022
01:41:43,932 --> 01:41:50,312
This office is built
inside a bigger room.

1023
01:41:50,313 --> 01:41:54,109
We made those walls...

1024
01:41:54,484 --> 01:41:57,070
...so this office is
inside a bigger office.

1025
01:41:58,279 --> 01:42:06,371
Using a place like this is different
from shooting on a set built in a studio.

1026
01:42:06,663 --> 01:42:14,045
We created this room in a
building in the middle of a city.

1027
01:42:16,131 --> 01:42:21,010
So it was a different
experience for the actors, too.

1028
01:42:21,469 --> 01:42:24,848
They would go into a normal building
and see the set inside the room.

1029
01:42:25,390 --> 01:42:36,776
I think it affects the way
the actors feel on the set.

1030
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:39,779
I think so too.

1031
01:42:40,738 --> 01:42:45,451
It might not be hard to create the
set or the lighting in a studio...

1032
01:42:45,869 --> 01:42:51,624
...but you can't feel the
reality that you can't see.

1033
01:43:09,684 --> 01:43:12,604
Was there a scene of his
penis getting cut off?

1034
01:43:13,438 --> 01:43:17,275
No, there wasn't.

1035
01:43:17,609 --> 01:43:23,323
There was a scene where he
was about to, but that's it.

1036
01:43:25,867 --> 01:43:31,206
Even if we shot the scene, we
couldn't show that in the film.

1037
01:43:36,002 --> 01:43:44,677
In the manga, it was explicitly drawn.

1038
01:43:45,220 --> 01:43:58,608
But you can't express it
like that in a film.

1039
01:43:59,692 --> 01:44:01,985
I don't have that kind of skill.

1040
01:44:01,986 --> 01:44:12,413
When you make a film from a manga,
you try to compete with the original.

1041
01:44:12,997 --> 01:44:17,961
But I could be very
honest making this film.

1042
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:28,888
To me, your manga is a big brother,
and my film is a little brother.

1043
01:44:29,681 --> 01:44:36,104
So it was very easy for
me to make it into a film.

1044
01:44:37,146 --> 01:44:42,902
If I can't express it the way your
manga does, I just let the manga win.

1045
01:44:43,152 --> 01:44:48,824
It was like my safety blanket, I
was very comfortable and felt safe.

1046
01:44:48,825 --> 01:44:57,583
If it wasn't based on a manga,
I might've struggled more.

1047
01:44:57,834 --> 01:45:02,045
I felt like I could
be honest with myself.

1048
01:45:02,046 --> 01:45:05,925
This is another great scene...

1049
01:45:09,095 --> 01:45:10,971
Looks good, doesn't it?

1050
01:45:10,972 --> 01:45:16,144
I've seen a lot of commercials
that use the same kind of effect.

1051
01:45:16,561 --> 01:45:23,026
Switching the face of
someone on a different body...

1052
01:45:23,359 --> 01:45:32,660
But you could clearly see
there's something wrong with it.

1053
01:45:33,328 --> 01:45:35,538
That's obviously not his body.

1054
01:45:35,913 --> 01:45:40,751
It was as if we put so much effort
into it to make it look obviously fake.

1055
01:45:40,752 --> 01:45:42,337
And I like it that way.

1056
01:45:43,588 --> 01:45:56,183
If you couldn't tell whether it's real
or not, you'd be impressed, and that's it.

1057
01:45:56,184 --> 01:46:03,106
The CG person who worked on the
scene almost had a nervous breakdown.

1058
01:46:03,107 --> 01:46:07,110
It took three months
to create the scene.

1059
01:46:07,111 --> 01:46:09,739
He had to do it frame by frame.

1060
01:46:10,281 --> 01:46:18,373
He had to look at the body and
Tsukamoto's face everyday for three months.

1061
01:46:18,623 --> 01:46:24,462
But when someone is working
in that kind of situation...

1062
01:46:25,129 --> 01:46:33,011
...the finished project is always great.

1063
01:46:33,012 --> 01:46:41,437
If he had better equipment and better
material, it would've made his job easier.

1064
01:46:41,896 --> 01:46:49,444
But because he was going crazy,
this scene became crazier.

1065
01:46:49,445 --> 01:46:54,867
That kind of job is priceless.

1066
01:46:55,993 --> 01:47:02,040
In the scene, Tsukamoto's character
shows his true personality...

1067
01:47:02,041 --> 01:47:05,670
I like the way it looks raw.

1068
01:47:06,754 --> 01:47:13,802
You said it took 3 months to create
the scene, but how much did it cost?

1069
01:47:13,803 --> 01:47:18,098
We had a budget meeting,
where we put more money...

1070
01:47:18,099 --> 01:47:22,144
Isn't using CG expensive?

1071
01:47:22,145 --> 01:47:31,404
If we calculated the hours the
CG crew spent on the machines...

1072
01:47:31,821 --> 01:47:43,332
...we would've needed as much
as they spend in Hollywood.

1073
01:47:46,586 --> 01:47:54,719
My crew make their
money somewhere else...

1074
01:47:56,512 --> 01:48:03,728
Putting Tsukamoto's face on top
of another body is something...

1075
01:48:03,978 --> 01:48:10,359
...you can only do in my film.

1076
01:48:10,651 --> 01:48:15,448
That's the CG crew's job,
but it's not their normal job.

1077
01:48:15,781 --> 01:48:18,576
They are doing this for fun.

1078
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:28,794
So they make money doing other things...

1079
01:48:29,086 --> 01:48:34,842
...while I ask them to
have fun making my film.

1080
01:48:40,014 --> 01:48:45,393
But those people need to make
money to eat, before they have fun.

1081
01:48:45,394 --> 01:48:46,811
That's right.

1082
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:49,690
People who can make
a decent living are strong.

1083
01:48:53,319 --> 01:48:58,950
Filmmakers like me don't have time
to have fun. We're always busy.

1084
01:49:00,284 --> 01:49:06,415
It's boring if we make ourselves
busy just to make something.

1085
01:49:06,707 --> 01:49:11,045
That's why audiences find
my films boring sometimes.

1086
01:49:12,505 --> 01:49:18,094
There's no resolution to this
problem in the Japanese film industry.

1087
01:49:18,928 --> 01:49:23,098
But you look like you're having fun.

1088
01:49:23,099 --> 01:49:31,023
I make a lot of films, so I don't
have to think about my worries.

1089
01:49:31,482 --> 01:49:39,240
I try to think that if one movie doesn't
do well, I'd still have money to eat.

1090
01:49:39,448 --> 01:49:43,869
But I keep doing it, so
that's why I don't make money.

1091
01:49:45,496 --> 01:49:52,795
That's how I am, and
I can't change that.

1092
01:49:53,379 --> 01:49:57,592
If I made one film every other year...

1093
01:49:58,092 --> 01:50:03,514
...I'm sure the quality of
my films would be different.

1094
01:50:04,056 --> 01:50:10,021
But I can't spend two years on lchi.

1095
01:50:11,772 --> 01:50:20,030
If I spent two years, that
would make me go insane.

1096
01:50:20,031 --> 01:50:21,407
You're right.

1097
01:50:22,491 --> 01:50:28,204
I have to understand that I'm making
something beyond human understanding.

1098
01:50:28,205 --> 01:50:32,168
But then there's a question of whether
I can make something I don't understand.

1099
01:50:32,668 --> 01:50:37,714
So I told myself that I'd
make this film to have fun.

1100
01:50:37,715 --> 01:50:43,638
For this film, I actually made
the time to have fun for myself.

1101
01:50:44,555 --> 01:50:59,945
I controlled the time just for
myself, and decided to have fun.

1102
01:51:00,237 --> 01:51:12,749
I think many film directors
make their best work...

1103
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:21,467
...when they are not forced
nor pressured to make a film.

1104
01:51:22,218 --> 01:51:24,637
I know what you mean.

1105
01:51:24,887 --> 01:51:28,641
It's like sex, You'll have
better sex when it's unexpected...

1106
01:51:28,891 --> 01:51:33,229
...than when you're all tense
and preoccupied having sex.

1107
01:51:33,854 --> 01:51:35,856
I like the way you described that.

1108
01:51:36,232 --> 01:51:42,738
I'd love to have sex unexpectedly.

1109
01:51:43,781 --> 01:51:46,951
I'd really like that, unexpected sex.

1110
01:51:53,916 --> 01:52:00,005
The crushed face there...

1111
01:52:01,340 --> 01:52:06,053
It was in the exhibition
of lchi at Parco...

1112
01:52:07,596 --> 01:52:10,808
You could see from the
other side of the face.

1113
01:52:11,767 --> 01:52:17,690
...so everyone could
experience the world of lchi.

1114
01:52:19,900 --> 01:52:24,112
Were there any other faces?

1115
01:52:24,113 --> 01:52:27,408
Shin Sugata's face was there.

1116
01:52:28,576 --> 01:52:35,207
I had a ticket, but I forgot to bring
it that day, so I paid to get in.

1117
01:52:39,628 --> 01:52:41,964
What's that white stuff?

1118
01:52:42,548 --> 01:52:48,512
I think lchi ejaculated.

1119
01:52:49,180 --> 01:52:51,056
What detailed work.

1120
01:52:52,099 --> 01:52:55,436
So he has his penis out?

1121
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:58,647
I guess he came in when
lchi was jerking off.

1122
01:53:14,079 --> 01:53:18,042
It's getting close to the climax.

1123
01:53:19,293 --> 01:53:24,799
I was still writing
lchi around this time...

1124
01:53:25,257 --> 01:53:33,556
...so the climax of the film was
very different from the manga.

1125
01:53:33,557 --> 01:53:36,769
I asked you what was going to happen...

1126
01:53:37,353 --> 01:53:41,231
...but then you asked me
the same question in return.

1127
01:53:41,232 --> 01:53:42,858
Yes, I did.

1128
01:53:46,403 --> 01:53:54,370
How many endings did
you think of for lchi?

1129
01:53:54,912 --> 01:53:59,041
I only thought of one.

1130
01:54:00,251 --> 01:54:12,763
If Kakihara gets caught right here,
I'd just think of what happens next.

1131
01:54:12,930 --> 01:54:19,103
Then I don't think about
what if he doesn't get caught.

1132
01:54:21,897 --> 01:54:27,069
I see.

1133
01:54:28,362 --> 01:54:34,201
Is there any reason it's daytime?

1134
01:54:34,743 --> 01:54:42,877
It's difficult to shoot
a film in the city at night.

1135
01:54:44,879 --> 01:54:59,977
You have to think about the light,
time and other technical stuff.

1136
01:55:00,477 --> 01:55:11,446
But if you use the natural
light, it's a lot easier.

1137
01:55:11,447 --> 01:55:21,916
Besides, I wanted to
shoot lchi under sunlight.

1138
01:55:22,458 --> 01:55:34,887
The kids are playing somewhere, and
they are killing each other on the roof.

1139
01:55:35,512 --> 01:55:39,850
I thought it was very healthy.

1140
01:55:40,309 --> 01:55:44,355
They are all outside, under sunlight.

1141
01:55:48,317 --> 01:55:50,486
It was really cold.

1142
01:55:50,778 --> 01:55:53,614
Middle of December.

1143
01:55:55,282 --> 01:56:01,038
It was so cold that it was
difficult to just stand still.

1144
01:56:01,664 --> 01:56:04,750
Actors are strange.

1145
01:56:04,917 --> 01:56:10,839
They look even happier when
they're in a horrible situation.

1146
01:56:18,681 --> 01:56:24,853
Everything was done
according to the script?

1147
01:56:25,062 --> 01:56:37,657
Yes, but Sato's script
doesn't say exactly what the...

1148
01:56:37,658 --> 01:56:43,622
...actors are supposed to say.

1149
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:52,506
How they move or what's happening
are very clear in his script.

1150
01:56:52,756 --> 01:57:02,141
So if ten people read the script, ten
people bring their ideas to the dialogue.

1151
01:57:02,433 --> 01:57:09,773
You have to assume how they're feeling.

1152
01:57:10,899 --> 01:57:16,572
For example, when you see the kid...

1153
01:57:18,073 --> 01:57:26,623
...you'll think about many
different possibilities.

1154
01:57:27,624 --> 01:57:34,381
You can use the kid to emphasize
the violence in this scene.

1155
01:57:34,548 --> 01:57:42,306
But also it could be a great
moment between father and son.

1156
01:57:42,848 --> 01:57:53,649
We didn't try to force the
audience to have certain feelings.

1157
01:57:53,650 --> 01:58:00,616
So everything is done
by the script, but...

1158
01:58:01,784 --> 01:58:08,707
...how the audience will feel
about each scene might be different.

1159
01:58:11,543 --> 01:58:14,671
I guess the theme changes
depending on how it's shot.

1160
01:58:16,423 --> 01:58:27,226
Yes, we all had different feelings
about lchi when we were shooting.

1161
01:58:27,768 --> 01:58:36,026
There were some scenes where I
explained how I want the scene to be...

1162
01:58:36,235 --> 01:58:43,951
...but for the scenes toward the end,
I only directed the camera angles.

1163
01:58:44,201 --> 01:58:51,625
But I left the crew to think about
how they were supposed to feel.

1164
01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:56,338
Otherwise this film
couldn't be completed.

1165
01:58:56,755 --> 01:59:01,718
We weren't trying to
achieve one thing together.

1166
01:59:02,219 --> 01:59:08,642
He is Kakihara, but also Tadanobu Asano.

1167
01:59:09,518 --> 01:59:16,400
How he thinks about
his fate is up to him.

1168
01:59:17,276 --> 01:59:24,908
That's not something
I should be directing.

1169
01:59:55,147 --> 01:59:57,191
Did you shoot these scenes many times?

1170
01:59:58,150 --> 02:00:05,865
No, most of them are one-take.

1171
02:00:05,866 --> 02:00:08,285
Just a single take.

1172
02:00:09,244 --> 02:00:16,501
You usually rehearse actor's
lines and the camera work, but...

1173
02:00:17,377 --> 02:00:22,132
...this isn't the kind of scene
you rehearse so many times.

1174
02:00:22,674 --> 02:00:32,391
If we rehearse, we would get
something we could replicate next year.

1175
02:00:32,392 --> 02:00:36,104
But if we just rehearse once or twice...

1176
02:00:36,521 --> 02:00:41,109
...the scene and the way Asano
plays Kakihara are very original.

1177
02:00:41,985 --> 02:00:46,740
That's why we didn't rehearse that much.

1178
02:00:50,953 --> 02:00:59,085
Even the cameraman was having a hard
time framing characters in the shot.

1179
02:00:59,086 --> 02:01:00,420
That was up to them too?

1180
02:01:00,796 --> 02:01:01,754
Yes.

1181
02:01:01,755 --> 02:01:02,673
Really?

1182
02:01:03,632 --> 02:01:08,845
I explain what's happening,
but I let them do everything.

1183
02:01:09,263 --> 02:01:12,181
I thought the shots were directed.

1184
02:01:12,182 --> 02:01:22,108
Well, I told them the angle of
the camera and directions, but...

1185
02:01:22,109 --> 02:01:30,075
...where the characters will
be in the frame wasn't directed.

1186
02:01:30,284 --> 02:01:40,419
He is going to sit right here, and
the cameraman knows he's sitting...

1187
02:01:41,378 --> 02:01:48,468
...but how he sits, or whether
he just sits or pauses and sits...

1188
02:01:48,635 --> 02:01:53,849
You couldn't expect those kind
of things when he was shooting.

1189
02:01:54,850 --> 02:02:04,192
But then when the cameraman
would have a certain shot right...

1190
02:02:05,027 --> 02:02:13,327
...it would look like
everything was precisely planned.

1191
02:02:13,744 --> 02:02:20,125
I would direct him sometimes but I'd
rather let him do what he wants to do.

1192
02:02:47,569 --> 02:02:50,072
I love the expression on his face.

1193
02:03:43,291 --> 02:03:45,210
I don't want to die like that.

1194
02:03:46,795 --> 02:04:01,601
If that wasn't Asano, it would be totally
different. Like the way he falls...

1195
02:04:02,811 --> 02:04:08,900
And I would have a different
feeling for his death.

1196
02:04:09,860 --> 02:04:18,076
But it makes me feel excited to see
him losing his balance on the edge.

1197
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:23,373
I don't know how to explain it.

1198
02:04:24,666 --> 02:04:29,087
He isn't trying to save himself.

1199
02:04:30,964 --> 02:04:37,137
He looks curious when he's falling.

1200
02:04:37,846 --> 02:04:42,392
That's his desire, he wants
to know how it feels to die.

1201
02:04:44,227 --> 02:04:47,564
You feel like you're
going to fall when...

1202
02:04:48,315 --> 02:04:52,235
...you stand on the
edge of a tall building.

1203
02:04:52,611 --> 02:04:57,115
You want to try to lean over,
maybe it's close to that feeling.

1204
02:04:58,492 --> 02:05:06,875
He doesn't fall out, but he falls into
the pit, surrounded by other buildings.

1205
02:05:09,252 --> 02:05:11,546
That's very Kakihara.

1206
02:05:12,797 --> 02:05:24,559
He was talking right before he dies,
I'd want to faint if it were me.

1207
02:05:24,768 --> 02:05:29,355
He is really enjoying it,
he's expressing it verbally.

1208
02:05:29,356 --> 02:05:34,903
I didn't put any sound when
he actually hit the ground...

1209
02:05:35,237 --> 02:05:42,494
...but he was acting really
cool the moment before he died.

1210
02:05:45,747 --> 02:05:52,087
There are so many different poses
when someone falls to their death.

1211
02:05:53,922 --> 02:05:56,423
Why did you choose that pose?

1212
02:05:56,424 --> 02:06:04,724
I wanted him to look
like he was running.

1213
02:06:05,725 --> 02:06:08,018
Really?

1214
02:06:08,019 --> 02:06:12,732
Yes, I want him to die refreshingly.

1215
02:06:13,817 --> 02:06:24,077
It's the end, but looks like
it's the beginning of something.

1216
02:06:24,244 --> 02:06:28,290
It does look like he's running.

1217
02:06:28,915 --> 02:06:33,253
We spent a long time
on how he should pose.

1218
02:06:33,753 --> 02:06:35,338
I remember.

1219
02:06:37,591 --> 02:06:44,306
If we shot the scene another
day, it would be different.

1220
02:06:44,973 --> 02:06:51,396
Some people shoot a couple
of different shots...

1221
02:06:52,939 --> 02:07:04,659
...but I like having only one possibility,
rather than having many possibilities.

1222
02:07:07,454 --> 02:07:11,040
These credits are confusing.

1223
02:07:11,041 --> 02:07:16,338
I watched it twice, but
I couldn't find my name.

1224
02:07:17,464 --> 02:07:25,639
Everyone's name is in here.

1225
02:07:25,847 --> 02:07:32,646
But if you put them all
together, you can't see it.

1226
02:07:32,979 --> 02:07:43,406
Too much information can be useless.

1227
02:07:43,823 --> 02:07:55,210
It's better if it's going up, but it sucks
if your name is one that's going down.

1228
02:07:56,044 --> 02:07:59,506
Some of them are upside
down, and falling down.

1229
02:07:59,714 --> 02:08:03,592
The original authors look
forward to seeing their names...

1230
02:08:03,593 --> 02:08:07,179
...in the beginning and the end.

1231
02:08:07,180 --> 02:08:10,141
So I feel half satisfied.

1232
02:08:10,892 --> 02:08:11,810
I'm sorry.

1233
02:08:13,645 --> 02:08:17,232
I'll have to pause it to find my name.

1234
02:08:18,024 --> 02:08:25,614
But there is another " Hideo Yamamoto",
so it might be easier to spot it.

1235
02:08:25,615 --> 02:08:29,369
Yeah, but I don't know which one is me.

1236
02:08:29,828 --> 02:08:35,082
It says "original story by."

1237
02:08:35,083 --> 02:08:37,085
Okay, good.

1238
02:08:38,002 --> 02:08:38,586
That's it.