1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www. OpenSubtitles. org today 2 00:02:34,395 --> 00:02:38,274 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 3 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:40,735 When World War Two broke out... 4 00:02:40,818 --> 00:02:43,612 his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 5 00:02:43,696 --> 00:02:46,157 through his "This Is London" radio series. 6 00:02:47,074 --> 00:02:48,617 He started with us all... 7 00:02:48,743 --> 00:02:52,163 many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 8 00:02:52,246 --> 00:02:54,707 with the news documentary show, "See It Now". 9 00:02:54,874 --> 00:02:56,625 He threw stones at giants. 10 00:02:57,710 --> 00:03:00,963 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 11 00:03:01,172 --> 00:03:03,257 apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 12 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:08,262 not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 13 00:03:09,388 --> 00:03:13,017 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 14 00:03:13,726 --> 00:03:16,520 and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 15 00:03:16,979 --> 00:03:20,315 wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 16 00:03:20,649 --> 00:03:23,736 inspired, lectured, and taught. 17 00:03:24,862 --> 00:03:26,196 Ladies and gentlemen... 18 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,451 the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 19 00:03:30,534 --> 00:03:32,786 Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 20 00:03:53,432 --> 00:03:55,600 This might just do nobody any good. 21 00:03:56,476 --> 00:04:00,230 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 22 00:04:00,313 --> 00:04:02,524 of fouling his own comfortable nest... 23 00:04:02,941 --> 00:04:06,486 and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 24 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:08,947 to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 25 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:12,284 But the elaborate structure of networks... 26 00:04:12,367 --> 00:04:16,204 advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 27 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,500 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 28 00:04:20,584 --> 00:04:24,129 with some candor about what is happening to radio and television. 29 00:04:24,212 --> 00:04:26,172 And if what I say is responsible... 30 00:04:26,589 --> 00:04:29,175 I alone am responsible for the saying of it. 31 00:04:30,385 --> 00:04:32,554 Our history will be what we make of it. 32 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:37,016 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 33 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:38,727 and there should be preserved... 34 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:41,646 the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 35 00:04:42,063 --> 00:04:45,733 they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 36 00:04:46,317 --> 00:04:48,361 evidence of decadence, escapism... 37 00:04:48,444 --> 00:04:52,073 and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 38 00:04:52,615 --> 00:04:56,411 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 39 00:04:57,287 --> 00:05:00,957 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 40 00:05:01,165 --> 00:05:03,376 Our mass media reflect this. 41 00:05:04,377 --> 00:05:06,754 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 42 00:05:06,838 --> 00:05:09,298 and recognize that television in the main... 43 00:05:09,382 --> 00:05:13,594 is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 44 00:05:14,095 --> 00:05:16,389 then television and those who finance it... 45 00:05:16,472 --> 00:05:19,392 those who look at it and those who work at it... 46 00:05:19,725 --> 00:05:22,311 may see a totally different picture too late. 47 00:06:09,275 --> 00:06:12,486 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 48 00:06:22,287 --> 00:06:24,456 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 49 00:06:24,540 --> 00:06:25,666 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 50 00:06:25,749 --> 00:06:27,584 I may need it a little quicker than that! 51 00:06:27,668 --> 00:06:30,796 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 52 00:06:32,881 --> 00:06:34,049 Morning, Johnny! 53 00:06:34,133 --> 00:06:37,261 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 54 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:38,595 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 55 00:06:38,679 --> 00:06:41,890 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 56 00:06:41,974 --> 00:06:44,768 he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 57 00:06:44,852 --> 00:06:46,186 - Yes. - Thank you. 58 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,563 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 59 00:06:49,106 --> 00:06:51,483 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 60 00:06:51,567 --> 00:06:53,485 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 61 00:06:53,568 --> 00:06:54,861 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 62 00:06:54,945 --> 00:06:56,446 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 63 00:06:56,530 --> 00:06:59,324 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 64 00:07:03,954 --> 00:07:05,205 Let me see this. 65 00:07:08,834 --> 00:07:12,462 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 66 00:07:12,712 --> 00:07:14,214 You promise to be a loyal American? 67 00:07:14,297 --> 00:07:16,466 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 68 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:18,260 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 69 00:07:18,343 --> 00:07:20,345 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 70 00:07:20,428 --> 00:07:21,805 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 71 00:07:23,265 --> 00:07:25,016 Are you now or have you ever been... 72 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:27,352 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 73 00:07:27,435 --> 00:07:29,980 on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 74 00:07:30,063 --> 00:07:32,274 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 75 00:07:32,357 --> 00:07:35,944 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 76 00:07:36,027 --> 00:07:38,363 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 77 00:07:38,446 --> 00:07:40,782 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 78 00:07:40,865 --> 00:07:44,035 - Maybe you should talk to Murrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 79 00:07:45,203 --> 00:07:47,997 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 80 00:07:50,291 --> 00:07:52,252 If I don't sign it, they'll fire me. 81 00:07:58,716 --> 00:07:59,717 Sign it. 82 00:08:00,134 --> 00:08:02,303 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 83 00:08:03,596 --> 00:08:07,016 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 84 00:08:07,392 --> 00:08:11,771 I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 85 00:08:12,355 --> 00:08:15,733 "Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 86 00:08:16,734 --> 00:08:18,778 "Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 87 00:08:19,737 --> 00:08:21,239 "... glistening with dew." 88 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,785 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 89 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:28,538 "So in our heart..." 90 00:08:29,956 --> 00:08:31,541 "... our love for you..." 91 00:08:32,542 --> 00:08:35,127 "... lies unrevealed." 92 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:38,756 I used to... 93 00:08:44,929 --> 00:08:49,934 pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 94 00:08:51,727 --> 00:08:57,942 especially over the past 18-19 months, when we've been... 95 00:08:58,567 --> 00:09:01,612 kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 96 00:09:02,905 --> 00:09:04,240 I didn't think that... 97 00:09:06,534 --> 00:09:09,537 I could be... touched very deeply. 98 00:09:09,745 --> 00:09:11,997 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 99 00:09:12,081 --> 00:09:14,124 - It's short. - How long is the piece? 100 00:09:14,208 --> 00:09:15,960 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 101 00:09:16,043 --> 00:09:18,837 It can't stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 102 00:09:18,921 --> 00:09:21,257 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 103 00:09:21,340 --> 00:09:24,677 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 104 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,888 interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 105 00:09:27,972 --> 00:09:30,432 over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 106 00:09:30,516 --> 00:09:33,769 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 107 00:09:33,852 --> 00:09:36,438 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 108 00:09:36,522 --> 00:09:39,858 depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 109 00:09:39,942 --> 00:09:43,278 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 110 00:09:43,362 --> 00:09:46,490 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Franklin... 111 00:09:46,573 --> 00:09:47,825 than with Mr. Hoover. 112 00:09:47,908 --> 00:09:50,369 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 113 00:09:50,452 --> 00:09:52,913 "At home with Ben Franklin. His electricity awards." 114 00:09:52,996 --> 00:09:54,915 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 115 00:09:54,998 --> 00:09:58,710 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 116 00:09:58,794 --> 00:10:00,545 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 117 00:10:00,629 --> 00:10:03,173 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 118 00:10:03,256 --> 00:10:05,967 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 119 00:10:06,176 --> 00:10:09,763 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 120 00:10:09,846 --> 00:10:12,516 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not an obit piece. 121 00:10:12,682 --> 00:10:15,227 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 122 00:10:15,685 --> 00:10:18,021 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 123 00:10:18,105 --> 00:10:22,025 involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 124 00:10:22,108 --> 00:10:24,069 provides for the deportation of any alien... 125 00:10:24,152 --> 00:10:26,905 if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 126 00:10:27,447 --> 00:10:28,532 Can you take this? 127 00:10:28,615 --> 00:10:31,201 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 128 00:10:31,284 --> 00:10:34,788 to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 129 00:10:34,871 --> 00:10:37,290 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 130 00:10:37,374 --> 00:10:39,501 May I finish? It's national security! 131 00:10:39,584 --> 00:10:42,379 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 132 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:47,258 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 133 00:10:48,093 --> 00:10:51,429 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 134 00:10:52,222 --> 00:10:54,849 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 135 00:10:54,933 --> 00:10:57,477 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 136 00:10:59,062 --> 00:11:00,271 Thank you, John. 137 00:11:01,189 --> 00:11:02,565 There's not much there. 138 00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:06,194 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 139 00:11:06,486 --> 00:11:09,864 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 140 00:11:11,241 --> 00:11:14,494 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 141 00:11:15,244 --> 00:11:17,330 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 142 00:11:18,915 --> 00:11:22,669 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 143 00:11:22,752 --> 00:11:27,382 read some Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 144 00:11:27,465 --> 00:11:29,300 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 145 00:11:30,093 --> 00:11:32,720 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 146 00:11:32,804 --> 00:11:36,098 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 147 00:11:36,182 --> 00:11:37,934 and told if he wanted to keep his job... 148 00:11:38,017 --> 00:11:41,312 he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 149 00:11:41,395 --> 00:11:43,856 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 150 00:11:45,566 --> 00:11:49,237 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 151 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,614 Is he being brought before the Committee? 152 00:11:52,323 --> 00:11:53,324 No. 153 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:55,826 Then it's not McCarthy. 154 00:11:57,453 --> 00:11:58,454 Isn't it? 155 00:12:04,543 --> 00:12:06,087 Milo Radulovich. 156 00:12:10,341 --> 00:12:11,759 What happens to your children... 157 00:12:11,842 --> 00:12:14,762 your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 158 00:12:14,845 --> 00:12:17,806 If I am being judged on my relatives... 159 00:12:18,807 --> 00:12:23,896 are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 160 00:12:23,979 --> 00:12:28,025 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 161 00:12:28,734 --> 00:12:33,739 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 162 00:12:33,822 --> 00:12:36,158 why their father is a security risk? 163 00:12:37,117 --> 00:12:41,789 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 164 00:12:42,081 --> 00:12:46,293 was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 165 00:12:47,085 --> 00:12:49,379 has no end to anybody, for anybody. 166 00:12:56,053 --> 00:12:57,387 Well, that's new. 167 00:12:58,597 --> 00:13:00,224 You can't call this a neutral piece. 168 00:13:00,307 --> 00:13:03,602 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 169 00:13:03,685 --> 00:13:05,270 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 170 00:13:05,354 --> 00:13:08,398 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 171 00:13:08,482 --> 00:13:09,733 both sides, no commentary. 172 00:13:09,816 --> 00:13:12,819 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 173 00:13:12,903 --> 00:13:14,571 We're giving them the information up front... 174 00:13:14,654 --> 00:13:16,239 and we're asking them to comment on it. 175 00:13:16,323 --> 00:13:17,366 Frank, hold on. 176 00:13:18,116 --> 00:13:19,785 I've searched my conscience. 177 00:13:19,951 --> 00:13:23,163 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 178 00:13:23,246 --> 00:13:26,124 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 179 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:28,251 two equal and logical sides to an argument. 180 00:13:28,335 --> 00:13:31,296 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 181 00:13:31,379 --> 00:13:33,089 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 182 00:13:33,173 --> 00:13:35,258 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 183 00:13:35,342 --> 00:13:38,303 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 184 00:13:38,386 --> 00:13:39,429 Do me a favor... 185 00:13:39,512 --> 00:13:42,849 avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 186 00:13:42,933 --> 00:13:44,142 Please, don't insult me. 187 00:13:44,684 --> 00:13:48,813 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 188 00:13:49,314 --> 00:13:51,649 and also have some military contracts... 189 00:13:51,733 --> 00:13:54,944 and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 190 00:13:55,028 --> 00:13:57,072 because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 191 00:13:57,155 --> 00:14:00,283 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 192 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:03,745 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 193 00:14:03,828 --> 00:14:07,332 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 194 00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:12,378 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 195 00:14:12,962 --> 00:14:14,005 Excuse me. 196 00:14:22,180 --> 00:14:24,932 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 197 00:14:25,433 --> 00:14:27,518 I've got a great story about Hoover. 198 00:14:31,481 --> 00:14:33,941 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 199 00:14:34,025 --> 00:14:37,111 to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 200 00:14:37,195 --> 00:14:39,280 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 201 00:14:44,368 --> 00:14:45,912 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 202 00:14:48,497 --> 00:14:50,333 Alcoa won't pay for the ads. 203 00:14:51,334 --> 00:14:55,004 And we probably won't either. But nobody'll stop you. 204 00:14:55,087 --> 00:14:56,255 How much are the ads? 205 00:14:58,507 --> 00:15:01,677 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 206 00:15:03,262 --> 00:15:06,599 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 207 00:15:06,932 --> 00:15:10,144 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 208 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,323 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 209 00:15:22,406 --> 00:15:25,701 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 210 00:15:25,784 --> 00:15:28,829 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 211 00:15:28,913 --> 00:15:30,664 We'll be going right down to the wire. 212 00:15:30,748 --> 00:15:35,419 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 213 00:15:35,502 --> 00:15:39,214 your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 214 00:15:39,298 --> 00:15:43,010 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 215 00:15:43,093 --> 00:15:44,470 not to approve it. 216 00:15:45,095 --> 00:15:48,140 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 217 00:15:48,223 --> 00:15:50,768 tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 218 00:15:50,851 --> 00:15:53,437 and found him guilty of being a security risk... 219 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,191 without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 220 00:15:57,274 --> 00:15:59,610 and are claiming he's not a security risk. 221 00:15:59,693 --> 00:16:03,822 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 222 00:16:03,906 --> 00:16:07,951 might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 223 00:16:08,035 --> 00:16:11,371 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 224 00:16:11,455 --> 00:16:14,041 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 225 00:16:14,124 --> 00:16:16,793 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 226 00:16:17,044 --> 00:16:21,298 Or you, Colonel Jenkins? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 227 00:16:22,299 --> 00:16:27,846 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 228 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:31,725 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 229 00:16:32,225 --> 00:16:35,353 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 230 00:16:35,729 --> 00:16:38,398 I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 231 00:16:39,065 --> 00:16:42,527 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 232 00:16:48,617 --> 00:16:54,497 We have had no hearing at all. We have had no day in court. 233 00:16:54,914 --> 00:16:59,044 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 234 00:16:59,252 --> 00:17:03,798 I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 235 00:17:03,882 --> 00:17:05,884 as this thing has developed. 236 00:17:06,176 --> 00:17:08,970 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 237 00:17:09,053 --> 00:17:11,014 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 238 00:17:11,097 --> 00:17:14,475 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 239 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:15,852 He's on his way to the control room. 240 00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:17,604 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 241 00:17:17,687 --> 00:17:19,480 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 242 00:17:19,564 --> 00:17:20,815 Booth is there, it's already set. 243 00:17:20,899 --> 00:17:23,109 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 244 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,028 That's not what I asked for. 245 00:17:26,696 --> 00:17:28,656 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 246 00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:30,867 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 247 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:33,703 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 248 00:17:33,786 --> 00:17:35,079 Get him out of the booth! 249 00:17:38,624 --> 00:17:40,835 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 250 00:17:42,003 --> 00:17:44,714 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 251 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:46,132 2 minutes to air, fellas. 252 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:50,887 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 253 00:17:52,763 --> 00:17:56,100 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 254 00:17:56,183 --> 00:17:59,186 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 255 00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:05,484 We got the film. 256 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:07,945 Will it be ready? 257 00:18:08,446 --> 00:18:09,488 You bet. 258 00:18:15,453 --> 00:18:16,704 Funny thing, Freddy! 259 00:18:17,163 --> 00:18:20,458 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 260 00:18:35,055 --> 00:18:37,975 It occurs to me we might not get away with this one. 261 00:18:44,356 --> 00:18:47,401 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 262 00:18:47,484 --> 00:18:49,653 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 263 00:18:49,903 --> 00:18:51,196 Ready on camera 1. 264 00:18:58,162 --> 00:19:02,458 5, 4, 3, 2. 265 00:19:05,335 --> 00:19:06,587 Pan, camera 1. 266 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:09,131 Good evening. 267 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:13,260 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 268 00:19:13,343 --> 00:19:15,137 about Milo Radulovich... 269 00:19:15,512 --> 00:19:17,723 a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 270 00:19:18,056 --> 00:19:21,727 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 271 00:19:22,602 --> 00:19:26,189 which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 272 00:19:26,273 --> 00:19:29,526 if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 273 00:19:29,609 --> 00:19:32,320 or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 274 00:19:33,238 --> 00:19:36,783 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 275 00:19:37,033 --> 00:19:39,244 A board was called and heard his case. 276 00:19:39,327 --> 00:19:42,956 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 277 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:46,459 although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 278 00:19:46,543 --> 00:19:48,378 as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 279 00:19:48,503 --> 00:19:50,922 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 280 00:19:51,006 --> 00:19:53,133 the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 281 00:19:53,341 --> 00:19:56,136 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 282 00:19:57,053 --> 00:20:00,056 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 283 00:20:00,473 --> 00:20:03,768 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 284 00:20:03,852 --> 00:20:05,812 What did the General tell you yesterday? 285 00:20:05,979 --> 00:20:09,232 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 286 00:20:09,357 --> 00:20:10,733 They weren't too pleased. 287 00:20:11,609 --> 00:20:13,570 You're gonna get audited this year. 288 00:20:13,945 --> 00:20:17,115 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 289 00:20:18,408 --> 00:20:21,035 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 290 00:20:28,167 --> 00:20:29,294 In 10 seconds. 291 00:20:33,756 --> 00:20:36,384 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 292 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:39,929 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 293 00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:44,934 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 294 00:20:45,017 --> 00:20:47,979 or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 295 00:20:48,479 --> 00:20:53,651 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 296 00:20:53,734 --> 00:20:57,864 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 297 00:20:58,322 --> 00:21:03,244 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 298 00:21:03,369 --> 00:21:05,413 why their father is a security risk? 299 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:11,252 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 300 00:21:11,627 --> 00:21:15,923 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 301 00:21:16,007 --> 00:21:20,302 was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 302 00:21:20,386 --> 00:21:23,848 that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 303 00:21:24,723 --> 00:21:27,810 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 304 00:21:27,893 --> 00:21:31,021 because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 305 00:21:31,438 --> 00:21:34,191 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 306 00:21:34,275 --> 00:21:37,361 for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 307 00:21:37,444 --> 00:21:39,446 as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 308 00:21:40,739 --> 00:21:44,243 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 309 00:21:44,326 --> 00:21:47,663 because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 310 00:21:47,746 --> 00:21:51,792 nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 311 00:21:52,501 --> 00:21:55,671 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 312 00:21:55,921 --> 00:21:59,967 or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 313 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:01,510 We do not know. 314 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:05,639 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 315 00:22:05,764 --> 00:22:09,268 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 316 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:13,605 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 317 00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:17,609 for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 318 00:22:17,693 --> 00:22:20,153 the procedures and regulations to be followed... 319 00:22:20,237 --> 00:22:22,656 in attempting to protect the national security... 320 00:22:22,739 --> 00:22:25,492 and the rights of the individual at the same time. 321 00:22:26,576 --> 00:22:29,287 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 322 00:22:29,371 --> 00:22:31,498 between the individual and the state... 323 00:22:31,581 --> 00:22:33,166 we will do it ourselves... 324 00:22:33,709 --> 00:22:38,171 it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 325 00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:42,259 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 326 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:46,263 that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 327 00:22:47,848 --> 00:22:49,724 Good night, and good luck. 328 00:22:56,606 --> 00:22:57,774 And we're out. 329 00:24:33,661 --> 00:24:34,703 May I tell you something about yourself... 330 00:24:34,745 --> 00:24:35,788 May I tell you something about yourself... 331 00:24:35,871 --> 00:24:38,290 as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 332 00:24:38,374 --> 00:24:40,459 Based on audience research studies... 333 00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:44,588 you are well above average in education and intelligence. 334 00:24:45,172 --> 00:24:48,342 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 335 00:24:48,509 --> 00:24:50,344 to sports and show business. 336 00:24:50,636 --> 00:24:53,889 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 337 00:24:53,973 --> 00:24:57,893 and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 338 00:24:58,644 --> 00:25:01,480 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 339 00:25:01,563 --> 00:25:03,732 when they chose Mr. Murrow's program... 340 00:25:03,816 --> 00:25:05,359 to tell you about Kent. 341 00:25:05,609 --> 00:25:10,697 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filters best. 342 00:25:10,948 --> 00:25:14,076 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 343 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:17,371 with many other thinking people who have changed to Kent. 344 00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:22,626 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 345 00:25:23,585 --> 00:25:26,880 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 346 00:25:26,964 --> 00:25:30,801 on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 347 00:25:30,884 --> 00:25:32,469 Now back to Ed Murrow. 348 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,640 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 349 00:25:36,723 --> 00:25:40,477 has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 350 00:25:40,977 --> 00:25:44,648 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 351 00:25:44,815 --> 00:25:48,652 sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 352 00:25:49,111 --> 00:25:52,364 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 353 00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:55,784 and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 354 00:25:55,951 --> 00:25:59,829 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 355 00:26:00,455 --> 00:26:03,708 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 356 00:26:04,709 --> 00:26:06,878 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 357 00:26:06,962 --> 00:26:11,716 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 358 00:26:12,175 --> 00:26:18,723 and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 359 00:26:18,807 --> 00:26:21,184 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 360 00:26:21,267 --> 00:26:24,270 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 361 00:26:24,354 --> 00:26:26,981 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 362 00:26:27,065 --> 00:26:30,985 but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 363 00:26:31,069 --> 00:26:33,780 I want to some day find the perfect mate... 364 00:26:34,155 --> 00:26:38,243 and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 365 00:26:38,368 --> 00:26:40,995 by faith and will be a lasting union. 366 00:26:41,496 --> 00:26:46,250 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 367 00:26:46,793 --> 00:26:49,462 and she's looking for her dream man, too... 368 00:26:50,046 --> 00:26:52,048 and I hope she finds him some day. 369 00:26:53,424 --> 00:26:57,178 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 370 00:26:57,261 --> 00:26:58,429 It's been very pleasant. 371 00:26:58,513 --> 00:27:00,681 And will you say good night to your family for us? 372 00:27:00,765 --> 00:27:02,475 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 373 00:27:02,558 --> 00:27:04,393 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 374 00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:08,606 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 375 00:27:08,689 --> 00:27:11,359 to the house of Mickey Rooney and his new bride. 376 00:27:11,442 --> 00:27:14,111 Until then, good night, and good luck. 377 00:27:20,326 --> 00:27:21,953 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 378 00:27:45,142 --> 00:27:46,393 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 379 00:27:46,477 --> 00:27:49,188 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 380 00:27:49,271 --> 00:27:52,399 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 381 00:27:52,483 --> 00:27:54,526 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 382 00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:56,820 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 383 00:27:56,904 --> 00:27:59,782 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 384 00:27:59,865 --> 00:28:02,534 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 385 00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:05,704 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 386 00:28:06,747 --> 00:28:08,165 You're getting good at this! 387 00:28:08,707 --> 00:28:10,501 They're gonna think you like it! 388 00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:12,961 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 389 00:28:14,254 --> 00:28:15,297 Ah, it's... 390 00:28:16,757 --> 00:28:17,966 day to day. 391 00:28:18,717 --> 00:28:21,637 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 392 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:25,599 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 393 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,312 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 394 00:28:31,146 --> 00:28:33,732 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 395 00:28:34,816 --> 00:28:37,653 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 396 00:28:37,944 --> 00:28:40,864 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 397 00:28:41,406 --> 00:28:43,075 Well, see, I rest my case. 398 00:28:44,785 --> 00:28:49,039 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 399 00:28:52,209 --> 00:28:53,335 Thanks, Ed. 400 00:28:54,669 --> 00:28:57,964 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 401 00:28:58,048 --> 00:29:01,259 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 402 00:29:01,468 --> 00:29:04,262 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 403 00:29:06,848 --> 00:29:09,893 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 404 00:29:10,143 --> 00:29:11,853 You let me know if I can help. 405 00:29:12,062 --> 00:29:13,521 But you're a pinko. 406 00:29:16,274 --> 00:29:17,525 I'll see you. 407 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,169 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 408 00:29:36,252 --> 00:29:39,172 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 409 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,590 What would you say if I told you... 410 00:29:40,673 --> 00:29:43,259 that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 411 00:29:45,428 --> 00:29:48,514 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 412 00:29:50,642 --> 00:29:52,268 McCarthy going to the Eisenhower dinner? 413 00:29:52,352 --> 00:29:55,938 - I have no idea. I don't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 414 00:30:00,068 --> 00:30:03,780 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 415 00:30:03,863 --> 00:30:05,990 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 416 00:30:06,073 --> 00:30:09,243 I didn't know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 417 00:30:09,327 --> 00:30:12,914 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 418 00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:14,790 No pun elocuted. 419 00:30:18,252 --> 00:30:20,254 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 420 00:30:20,504 --> 00:30:23,257 Murrow's been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 421 00:30:23,341 --> 00:30:26,886 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 422 00:30:26,969 --> 00:30:29,513 and on the Soviet payroll in 1935. It's all there. 423 00:30:29,597 --> 00:30:31,474 You wanna know why that's not possible? 424 00:30:31,557 --> 00:30:33,059 Why you'll lose this one? 425 00:30:33,517 --> 00:30:35,519 Because everyone in this country... 426 00:30:35,603 --> 00:30:38,731 knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's a patriot. 427 00:30:40,691 --> 00:30:43,444 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 428 00:30:43,527 --> 00:30:46,530 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 429 00:30:49,617 --> 00:30:51,160 I think you guys go too far. 430 00:30:51,535 --> 00:30:53,871 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 431 00:31:00,711 --> 00:31:02,046 Yes, Mr. Paley. 432 00:31:03,047 --> 00:31:04,673 Right away. Yes, sir. 433 00:31:06,383 --> 00:31:07,843 No, he hasn't called. 434 00:31:09,136 --> 00:31:12,973 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 435 00:31:14,308 --> 00:31:16,185 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 436 00:31:18,937 --> 00:31:20,022 Mr. Murrow! 437 00:31:20,898 --> 00:31:22,649 Mr. Paley will see you now. 438 00:31:26,487 --> 00:31:30,240 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 439 00:31:30,824 --> 00:31:33,619 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 440 00:31:34,453 --> 00:31:35,537 How's Janet? 441 00:31:35,954 --> 00:31:38,373 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 442 00:31:38,498 --> 00:31:41,668 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 443 00:31:42,085 --> 00:31:44,963 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 444 00:31:46,506 --> 00:31:47,758 You'd never know. 445 00:31:51,636 --> 00:31:52,929 Reading fiction? 446 00:31:53,555 --> 00:31:55,432 I hope so. You tell me. 447 00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:58,685 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 448 00:31:58,769 --> 00:32:01,688 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 449 00:32:01,771 --> 00:32:04,399 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 450 00:32:06,693 --> 00:32:09,571 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 451 00:32:10,405 --> 00:32:14,326 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 452 00:32:14,743 --> 00:32:18,955 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 453 00:32:20,707 --> 00:32:22,876 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 454 00:32:22,959 --> 00:32:25,420 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 455 00:32:25,503 --> 00:32:27,005 and that the News was to be left... 456 00:32:27,088 --> 00:32:28,882 We don't make the news, we report the news. 457 00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:31,718 99% of the time he's wrong about those he's marked as Communists. 458 00:32:31,801 --> 00:32:33,845 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 459 00:32:33,928 --> 00:32:34,929 and we will report on that. 460 00:32:35,013 --> 00:32:38,308 But he's wrong 100% of the time when he oversteps people's civil liberties. 461 00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:39,517 And you're trying him in the press? 462 00:32:39,601 --> 00:32:41,603 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 463 00:32:41,686 --> 00:32:44,189 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 464 00:32:44,272 --> 00:32:46,608 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 465 00:32:46,691 --> 00:32:50,570 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 466 00:32:50,945 --> 00:32:54,574 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 467 00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:09,964 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 468 00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:14,760 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 469 00:33:14,886 --> 00:33:18,681 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 470 00:33:18,806 --> 00:33:22,435 I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 471 00:33:22,518 --> 00:33:25,938 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 472 00:33:26,022 --> 00:33:29,358 of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 473 00:33:30,651 --> 00:33:31,944 Yes? 474 00:33:37,408 --> 00:33:40,786 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 475 00:33:41,871 --> 00:33:43,664 And we're gonna go right at him. 476 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:47,084 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 477 00:33:47,168 --> 00:33:50,337 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 478 00:33:50,421 --> 00:33:52,631 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 479 00:33:52,715 --> 00:33:56,552 if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 480 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,512 if you attended a party, anything... 481 00:33:58,596 --> 00:34:01,765 anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 482 00:34:02,224 --> 00:34:04,560 because now would be the time to tell us. 483 00:34:10,024 --> 00:34:12,026 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 484 00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:14,445 Palmer, you kidding? 485 00:34:15,404 --> 00:34:17,948 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 486 00:34:18,032 --> 00:34:21,118 but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 487 00:34:21,201 --> 00:34:24,163 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 488 00:34:24,705 --> 00:34:27,708 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 489 00:34:29,209 --> 00:34:32,171 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 490 00:34:32,254 --> 00:34:33,714 somebody'll find out. 491 00:34:35,424 --> 00:34:36,925 They'll hurt us with it. 492 00:34:38,468 --> 00:34:40,929 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 493 00:34:42,055 --> 00:34:43,181 Fred. 494 00:34:46,393 --> 00:34:49,062 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 495 00:34:49,271 --> 00:34:51,440 or had a friend who was "different"... 496 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:54,192 or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 497 00:34:54,276 --> 00:34:57,112 we'd all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants. 498 00:34:59,072 --> 00:35:02,701 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 499 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,999 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 500 00:35:09,082 --> 00:35:13,003 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 501 00:35:14,004 --> 00:35:15,630 Okay, fellas, here we go. 502 00:35:16,214 --> 00:35:18,216 His own words, that's what we need. 503 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,844 said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 504 00:35:20,927 --> 00:35:23,930 who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 505 00:35:24,014 --> 00:35:26,349 "... you should be removed from any command." 506 00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:30,645 "Any man who says, 'I will protect and honor a General'..." 507 00:35:30,895 --> 00:35:35,233 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 508 00:35:35,525 --> 00:35:37,152 Ethically, we're fine. 509 00:35:37,318 --> 00:35:41,072 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 510 00:35:41,156 --> 00:35:43,575 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 511 00:35:43,658 --> 00:35:47,078 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 512 00:35:47,162 --> 00:35:48,538 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 513 00:35:48,621 --> 00:35:50,665 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 514 00:35:51,124 --> 00:35:53,251 scream and cry about our methods... 515 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:56,504 of trying to drag the truth... 516 00:35:58,089 --> 00:36:00,258 from those who know or should know... 517 00:36:01,092 --> 00:36:04,053 who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 518 00:36:04,929 --> 00:36:06,305 But they say, "Oh..." 519 00:36:07,306 --> 00:36:11,310 "... it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 520 00:36:13,396 --> 00:36:17,942 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 521 00:36:18,776 --> 00:36:20,570 I had many offers of attorneys... 522 00:36:20,653 --> 00:36:24,574 and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The questions is: 523 00:36:24,657 --> 00:36:27,618 did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 524 00:36:27,702 --> 00:36:30,288 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 525 00:36:30,413 --> 00:36:31,414 The answer is yes. 526 00:36:31,497 --> 00:36:34,000 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 527 00:36:34,083 --> 00:36:37,295 as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 528 00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:39,755 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 529 00:36:41,173 --> 00:36:42,508 I know this was in 1932. 530 00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:44,760 Do you know that they since have been listed... 531 00:36:44,844 --> 00:36:47,388 as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 532 00:36:47,471 --> 00:36:49,724 I do not know that they have been listed so, sir. 533 00:36:49,807 --> 00:36:52,184 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 534 00:36:52,268 --> 00:36:53,519 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 535 00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:57,398 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 536 00:36:57,481 --> 00:36:59,817 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 537 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,319 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 538 00:37:02,403 --> 00:37:03,988 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 539 00:37:04,071 --> 00:37:06,407 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 540 00:37:06,490 --> 00:37:07,700 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 541 00:37:07,783 --> 00:37:10,160 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 542 00:37:10,244 --> 00:37:12,079 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 543 00:37:12,162 --> 00:37:14,999 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 544 00:37:15,249 --> 00:37:16,625 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 545 00:37:16,959 --> 00:37:19,128 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 546 00:37:22,548 --> 00:37:24,466 Did you finish your closing piece? 547 00:37:25,217 --> 00:37:26,427 It's Shakespeare. 548 00:37:28,303 --> 00:37:29,638 Write your closing. 549 00:37:58,208 --> 00:38:01,461 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 550 00:38:01,545 --> 00:38:03,088 it doesn't make any difference. 551 00:38:03,171 --> 00:38:05,465 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 552 00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:06,591 If you don't, you'll love it. 553 00:38:06,675 --> 00:38:08,677 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 554 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,262 I don't think we can take that chance. 555 00:38:10,345 --> 00:38:12,973 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 556 00:38:14,724 --> 00:38:18,103 The blue one. They haven't gone after the Alsops or Herb Block. 557 00:38:18,311 --> 00:38:21,106 Honey, the Alsops and Herb Block... 558 00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:25,443 didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 559 00:38:26,236 --> 00:38:27,612 Then I guess it's time. 560 00:38:34,911 --> 00:38:35,912 You worried? 561 00:38:38,707 --> 00:38:40,083 I didn't think I was. 562 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:43,378 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 563 00:38:43,711 --> 00:38:46,756 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 564 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,300 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 565 00:38:49,509 --> 00:38:54,722 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 566 00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:57,934 to see who was listening. - And who was listening? 567 00:38:59,769 --> 00:39:00,979 Chairman Mao... 568 00:39:07,277 --> 00:39:08,736 I'll see you at the office. 569 00:39:09,696 --> 00:39:11,322 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 570 00:39:14,617 --> 00:39:16,077 Name me another wife... 571 00:39:16,536 --> 00:39:19,288 who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 572 00:39:19,372 --> 00:39:22,583 before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 573 00:39:29,924 --> 00:39:33,678 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 574 00:39:35,763 --> 00:39:39,392 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 575 00:39:39,725 --> 00:39:41,602 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 576 00:39:41,894 --> 00:39:45,314 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 577 00:39:45,523 --> 00:39:46,816 Are you interested? 578 00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:50,611 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 579 00:39:50,903 --> 00:39:51,904 Is that tonight? 580 00:39:53,614 --> 00:39:54,907 We're covered, Bill. 581 00:39:55,825 --> 00:39:56,909 All right. 582 00:39:58,828 --> 00:40:03,541 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 583 00:40:19,306 --> 00:40:21,600 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 584 00:40:23,143 --> 00:40:25,062 Can we hold all the calls, please? 585 00:40:25,312 --> 00:40:27,523 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 586 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:30,067 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 587 00:40:30,401 --> 00:40:33,195 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 588 00:40:49,086 --> 00:40:50,379 10 seconds. 589 00:40:54,675 --> 00:40:59,262 5, 4, 3, 2. 590 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,099 And pan, camera one. 591 00:41:05,352 --> 00:41:09,231 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 592 00:41:09,648 --> 00:41:11,983 we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 593 00:41:12,067 --> 00:41:14,820 and request your permission to read from a script... 594 00:41:14,903 --> 00:41:17,447 whatever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 595 00:41:17,989 --> 00:41:21,785 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 596 00:41:21,868 --> 00:41:24,120 and desires to answer himself... 597 00:41:24,287 --> 00:41:27,165 an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 598 00:41:27,582 --> 00:41:30,168 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 599 00:41:30,877 --> 00:41:32,545 "If this fight against Communism..." 600 00:41:32,629 --> 00:41:35,966 "... has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 601 00:41:36,049 --> 00:41:39,552 "... the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 602 00:41:39,636 --> 00:41:43,098 "... and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 603 00:41:43,556 --> 00:41:45,141 We applaud that statement... 604 00:41:45,225 --> 00:41:47,477 and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 605 00:41:47,685 --> 00:41:50,021 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 606 00:41:51,064 --> 00:41:54,442 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 607 00:41:54,567 --> 00:41:57,195 between America's two great political parties. 608 00:41:57,278 --> 00:41:58,905 If this fight against Communism... 609 00:41:58,988 --> 00:42:02,200 is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 610 00:42:02,283 --> 00:42:05,912 the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 611 00:42:05,995 --> 00:42:09,415 and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 612 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:12,877 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 613 00:42:13,419 --> 00:42:16,756 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 614 00:42:16,839 --> 00:42:19,050 interviewed many, terrorized some... 615 00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:21,594 accused civilian and military leaders... 616 00:42:21,678 --> 00:42:24,138 of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 617 00:42:24,222 --> 00:42:26,224 to turn over the country to Communism. 618 00:42:26,307 --> 00:42:30,728 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 619 00:42:31,229 --> 00:42:35,566 told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 620 00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:38,653 of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 621 00:42:38,861 --> 00:42:41,781 As I read his statement, I... 622 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:45,743 thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 623 00:42:46,494 --> 00:42:48,663 "... doth this our Caesar feed?". 624 00:42:48,788 --> 00:42:49,789 The questions is: 625 00:42:49,872 --> 00:42:52,917 did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 626 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,586 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 627 00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:56,671 The answer is yes. 628 00:42:56,754 --> 00:42:59,507 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 629 00:42:59,715 --> 00:43:01,133 Its publication... 630 00:43:02,218 --> 00:43:04,929 by an expression of the views contained in it? 631 00:43:05,221 --> 00:43:08,557 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 632 00:43:09,058 --> 00:43:13,437 it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 633 00:43:13,854 --> 00:43:15,689 You can go back to the publisher... 634 00:43:15,773 --> 00:43:19,443 you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 635 00:43:19,526 --> 00:43:21,695 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 636 00:43:21,987 --> 00:43:25,199 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 637 00:43:26,075 --> 00:43:27,201 I'll say that. 638 00:43:27,868 --> 00:43:31,580 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 639 00:43:31,664 --> 00:43:32,915 Twice he said... 640 00:43:33,165 --> 00:43:37,044 "The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 641 00:43:37,127 --> 00:43:40,130 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 642 00:43:40,214 --> 00:43:43,050 the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 643 00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:45,385 or any other federal government agency. 644 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,847 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 645 00:43:48,931 --> 00:43:51,558 letters of commendation from President Truman... 646 00:43:51,642 --> 00:43:54,269 President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 647 00:43:55,312 --> 00:43:59,775 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 648 00:44:00,067 --> 00:44:02,778 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 649 00:44:02,861 --> 00:44:06,448 he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 650 00:44:06,531 --> 00:44:10,827 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 651 00:44:11,536 --> 00:44:13,789 No one familiar with the history of this country... 652 00:44:13,872 --> 00:44:16,583 can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 653 00:44:16,666 --> 00:44:19,544 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 654 00:44:19,628 --> 00:44:23,215 but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 655 00:44:23,298 --> 00:44:27,177 and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 656 00:44:27,344 --> 00:44:29,930 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 657 00:44:30,514 --> 00:44:33,600 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 658 00:44:33,892 --> 00:44:37,646 and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 659 00:44:38,605 --> 00:44:40,899 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 660 00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:43,860 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 661 00:44:43,943 --> 00:44:46,613 if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 662 00:44:46,821 --> 00:44:50,116 and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 663 00:44:50,283 --> 00:44:53,828 not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 664 00:44:53,912 --> 00:44:57,332 and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 665 00:44:57,916 --> 00:45:01,294 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 666 00:45:01,377 --> 00:45:03,963 to keep silent, or for those who approve. 667 00:45:04,672 --> 00:45:07,217 We can deny our heritage and our history... 668 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:10,094 but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 669 00:45:10,678 --> 00:45:12,972 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 670 00:45:13,056 --> 00:45:17,018 the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 671 00:45:17,101 --> 00:45:20,605 but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 672 00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:23,566 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 673 00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:26,652 have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 674 00:45:26,736 --> 00:45:29,280 and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 675 00:45:29,906 --> 00:45:32,825 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 676 00:45:33,284 --> 00:45:35,620 He didn't create this situation of fear... 677 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:38,873 he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 678 00:45:40,416 --> 00:45:41,751 Cassius was right. 679 00:45:42,293 --> 00:45:46,672 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 680 00:45:47,673 --> 00:45:49,759 Good night, and good luck. 681 00:45:57,475 --> 00:45:58,601 And we're out. 682 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,282 Nothing? 683 00:46:16,494 --> 00:46:17,995 Maybe nobody watched. 684 00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:25,461 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 685 00:46:25,961 --> 00:46:28,547 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 686 00:46:30,049 --> 00:46:32,426 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 687 00:46:33,177 --> 00:46:35,346 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 688 00:46:36,096 --> 00:46:37,723 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 689 00:46:37,806 --> 00:46:39,558 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 690 00:46:39,641 --> 00:46:42,895 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 691 00:46:42,978 --> 00:46:45,981 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 692 00:46:46,065 --> 00:46:48,776 but I want to associate myself and this program... 693 00:46:48,859 --> 00:46:50,486 with what Ed Murrow has just said... 694 00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:53,322 and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 695 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,287 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 696 00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:09,004 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 697 00:47:09,254 --> 00:47:11,048 the national policy... 698 00:47:13,717 --> 00:47:15,886 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 699 00:47:15,969 --> 00:47:17,012 Great show! 700 00:47:17,846 --> 00:47:19,139 Feel like a Scotch? 701 00:47:19,723 --> 00:47:21,808 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 702 00:48:13,484 --> 00:48:16,696 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 703 00:48:16,779 --> 00:48:18,448 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 704 00:48:18,531 --> 00:48:21,492 would you go across the street and get the early editions? 705 00:48:21,576 --> 00:48:23,536 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 706 00:48:26,164 --> 00:48:28,082 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 707 00:49:00,448 --> 00:49:02,283 Okay. Here we go. 708 00:49:02,867 --> 00:49:05,786 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 709 00:49:05,911 --> 00:49:06,954 - First? - Good. 710 00:49:07,621 --> 00:49:09,457 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 711 00:49:09,999 --> 00:49:11,333 Gould... 712 00:49:11,834 --> 00:49:15,337 Edward R. Murrow's television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 713 00:49:15,421 --> 00:49:19,258 was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 714 00:49:19,341 --> 00:49:22,887 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 715 00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:25,723 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 716 00:49:25,806 --> 00:49:29,602 the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 717 00:49:29,727 --> 00:49:30,978 The program... Hold on! 718 00:49:31,061 --> 00:49:33,856 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 719 00:49:33,939 --> 00:49:37,026 the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 720 00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:39,111 would just go away and leave them alone. 721 00:49:39,194 --> 00:49:42,156 That was Mr. Murrow's and television's triumph... 722 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,782 and a very great one. 723 00:49:47,161 --> 00:49:48,287 Here! Here! 724 00:49:48,454 --> 00:49:50,581 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 725 00:49:51,206 --> 00:49:53,083 Send the New York Times a bottle of Scotch. 726 00:49:53,167 --> 00:49:55,210 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 727 00:49:55,294 --> 00:49:57,254 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 728 00:49:57,963 --> 00:49:59,965 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 729 00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:04,511 - Go on, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 730 00:50:04,595 --> 00:50:06,054 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 731 00:50:08,307 --> 00:50:10,183 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 732 00:50:13,812 --> 00:50:17,399 We can't say we were surprised at Murrow's "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 733 00:50:17,482 --> 00:50:20,444 last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 734 00:50:20,527 --> 00:50:23,864 edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 735 00:50:23,947 --> 00:50:26,366 against Communism, was finished last evening... 736 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:29,870 by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 737 00:50:29,953 --> 00:50:32,956 featured Murrow's PM protégé, Hollenbeck. 738 00:50:33,707 --> 00:50:36,084 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 739 00:50:36,168 --> 00:50:39,629 hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 740 00:50:39,713 --> 00:50:41,047 from and for the Left. 741 00:50:42,215 --> 00:50:43,425 So on. So on... 742 00:50:43,508 --> 00:50:45,635 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 743 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,888 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 744 00:50:52,058 --> 00:50:56,730 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 745 00:50:56,813 --> 00:50:58,523 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 746 00:50:58,606 --> 00:51:00,817 have been quietly pushed out of the company. 747 00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:04,863 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 748 00:51:04,946 --> 00:51:08,742 attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 749 00:51:08,825 --> 00:51:11,161 He then proceeded through an equally... 750 00:51:12,996 --> 00:51:14,789 tilted review of the day's events... 751 00:51:14,873 --> 00:51:18,251 with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 752 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:20,211 So on. 753 00:51:23,006 --> 00:51:25,925 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 754 00:51:26,384 --> 00:51:29,429 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 755 00:51:30,972 --> 00:51:34,017 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 756 00:51:34,183 --> 00:51:36,477 Joe... Shirley... 757 00:51:41,399 --> 00:51:42,692 It doesn't matter. 758 00:51:47,947 --> 00:51:49,073 To Jack Gould! 759 00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:53,077 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 760 00:51:53,161 --> 00:51:54,162 I love Jack Gould! 761 00:51:56,122 --> 00:51:57,665 May he rest in peace. 762 00:51:59,876 --> 00:52:02,712 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 763 00:52:03,504 --> 00:52:05,881 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 764 00:52:05,965 --> 00:52:07,842 All the ad guys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 765 00:52:07,925 --> 00:52:09,927 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 766 00:52:10,011 --> 00:52:11,387 We're putting out a press release... 767 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:14,348 saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 768 00:52:14,432 --> 00:52:16,809 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 769 00:52:17,101 --> 00:52:20,438 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 770 00:52:21,439 --> 00:52:22,565 Mr. Paley... 771 00:52:23,649 --> 00:52:25,818 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 772 00:52:30,865 --> 00:52:31,949 How's your wife? 773 00:52:32,408 --> 00:52:34,577 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 774 00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,746 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 775 00:52:37,830 --> 00:52:38,831 It's nice there. 776 00:52:39,665 --> 00:52:40,749 Yes, sir. 777 00:52:47,798 --> 00:52:48,799 Excuse me. 778 00:52:49,008 --> 00:52:52,845 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckley to do his rebuttal. 779 00:52:54,096 --> 00:52:55,180 I said no. 780 00:52:56,974 --> 00:52:58,016 Yes, sir. 781 00:53:04,398 --> 00:53:05,399 Hey, Johnny! 782 00:53:05,649 --> 00:53:07,901 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What? 783 00:53:07,985 --> 00:53:10,737 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 784 00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:12,698 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 785 00:53:12,781 --> 00:53:15,325 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 786 00:53:15,409 --> 00:53:16,910 Got some very good news. 787 00:53:17,536 --> 00:53:20,622 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 788 00:53:20,706 --> 00:53:22,749 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 789 00:53:23,583 --> 00:53:25,752 I have decided that it is consistent... 790 00:53:25,836 --> 00:53:28,588 with the interests of the National Security to retain... 791 00:53:28,672 --> 00:53:31,967 Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 792 00:53:32,134 --> 00:53:35,470 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Full stop. 793 00:53:38,098 --> 00:53:41,726 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 794 00:53:42,394 --> 00:53:43,395 Great job! 795 00:53:43,478 --> 00:53:45,397 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 796 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,440 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 797 00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:48,775 This means something. 798 00:53:48,859 --> 00:53:50,443 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 799 00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:54,573 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 800 00:54:01,579 --> 00:54:02,580 Palmer! 801 00:54:05,667 --> 00:54:07,711 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 802 00:54:11,297 --> 00:54:12,340 When? 803 00:54:12,924 --> 00:54:14,050 Tomorrow. 804 00:54:14,968 --> 00:54:18,346 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 805 00:54:18,429 --> 00:54:19,472 Any ideas? 806 00:54:21,057 --> 00:54:22,684 Just tell them what you know. 807 00:54:22,767 --> 00:54:25,478 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 808 00:54:25,562 --> 00:54:28,773 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 809 00:54:28,856 --> 00:54:31,192 and I have never seen a Communist card. 810 00:54:31,276 --> 00:54:33,611 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 811 00:54:33,695 --> 00:54:35,655 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 812 00:54:35,738 --> 00:54:37,365 No, sir, never. 813 00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:39,701 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 814 00:54:39,784 --> 00:54:43,579 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 815 00:54:44,372 --> 00:54:49,585 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 816 00:54:50,294 --> 00:54:53,631 who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 817 00:54:53,756 --> 00:54:56,926 has testified that while she never met you personally... 818 00:54:57,135 --> 00:55:00,346 at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 819 00:55:00,429 --> 00:55:02,598 of Communists who were paying dues. 820 00:55:03,099 --> 00:55:05,851 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 821 00:55:06,727 --> 00:55:09,605 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 822 00:55:09,772 --> 00:55:13,276 or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 823 00:55:14,318 --> 00:55:16,153 to the Communist Party. 824 00:55:16,904 --> 00:55:18,614 - Is that correct? - That's right. 825 00:55:18,781 --> 00:55:20,908 You've never paid any dues, payment... 826 00:55:20,991 --> 00:55:22,660 Thank you very much, Leo! 827 00:55:23,577 --> 00:55:25,413 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 828 00:55:26,038 --> 00:55:27,373 Now what is the show? 829 00:55:27,456 --> 00:55:30,209 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 830 00:55:30,292 --> 00:55:32,878 - Or is it her Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 831 00:55:32,962 --> 00:55:35,422 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 832 00:55:35,506 --> 00:55:37,216 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 833 00:55:37,299 --> 00:55:39,927 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 834 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:41,720 that spy has gotten into the code room... 835 00:55:41,804 --> 00:55:43,556 and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 836 00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,141 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 837 00:55:46,225 --> 00:55:49,061 a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 838 00:55:49,144 --> 00:55:51,689 "... that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 839 00:55:51,772 --> 00:55:54,358 "... who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 840 00:55:54,441 --> 00:55:55,943 It's the front page of the New York Times. 841 00:55:56,026 --> 00:55:59,697 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 842 00:55:59,780 --> 00:56:02,741 to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 843 00:56:02,825 --> 00:56:04,451 he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 844 00:56:04,535 --> 00:56:07,538 - He leaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 845 00:56:07,621 --> 00:56:09,206 Get me copies from any newspaper... 846 00:56:09,289 --> 00:56:10,916 that printed anything about that assertion. 847 00:56:10,999 --> 00:56:14,336 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 848 00:56:14,419 --> 00:56:17,464 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 849 00:56:17,548 --> 00:56:20,676 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 850 00:56:20,759 --> 00:56:23,804 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 851 00:56:23,887 --> 00:56:25,806 We have some footage of the empty chair. 852 00:56:25,889 --> 00:56:29,059 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 853 00:56:29,142 --> 00:56:31,979 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 854 00:56:32,062 --> 00:56:34,231 and then we'll cut to the shot of the chair. 855 00:56:34,314 --> 00:56:36,983 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 856 00:56:37,067 --> 00:56:40,946 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 857 00:56:44,741 --> 00:56:46,034 Thank you, Natalie. 858 00:56:50,664 --> 00:56:53,917 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 859 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,586 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 860 00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:59,172 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 861 00:57:02,509 --> 00:57:04,719 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 862 00:57:04,803 --> 00:57:07,806 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 863 00:57:07,889 --> 00:57:10,392 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 864 00:57:11,309 --> 00:57:12,352 He'll lose. 865 00:57:12,769 --> 00:57:14,396 Not if we're playing bridge. 866 00:57:16,106 --> 00:57:18,983 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 867 00:57:19,067 --> 00:57:21,236 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have a minute? 868 00:57:21,694 --> 00:57:25,323 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 869 00:57:25,698 --> 00:57:27,075 We have 4 days... 870 00:57:27,325 --> 00:57:29,828 to do a 28 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 871 00:57:29,911 --> 00:57:31,371 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 872 00:57:31,454 --> 00:57:33,164 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 873 00:57:33,248 --> 00:57:35,083 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 874 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,044 Thank you, dear. 875 00:57:39,796 --> 00:57:42,507 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 876 00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:44,509 - O'Brian doesn't matter. - He's killing me, Ed. 877 00:57:44,592 --> 00:57:46,386 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 878 00:57:46,469 --> 00:57:47,887 We've got to let that guy have it. 879 00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:51,265 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 880 00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:52,642 I can't defeat them both. 881 00:57:53,726 --> 00:57:57,021 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 882 00:58:02,235 --> 00:58:04,529 Okay. I guess not. 883 00:58:05,822 --> 00:58:06,906 Sorry, Don. 884 00:58:21,003 --> 00:58:22,880 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 885 00:58:22,963 --> 00:58:26,092 Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 886 00:58:26,175 --> 00:58:29,887 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 887 00:58:29,970 --> 00:58:33,641 to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 888 00:58:33,724 --> 00:58:34,892 so help you God? 889 00:58:38,687 --> 00:58:41,357 May we get your full name for the record, please? 890 00:58:41,732 --> 00:58:43,067 Annie Lee Moss. 891 00:58:44,193 --> 00:58:45,861 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 892 00:58:46,195 --> 00:58:49,448 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 893 00:58:49,531 --> 00:58:51,742 for the information of your counsel... 894 00:58:52,243 --> 00:58:54,203 that you are not here because... 895 00:58:55,537 --> 00:59:00,584 you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 896 00:59:00,709 --> 00:59:04,213 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 897 00:59:05,422 --> 00:59:08,801 We are rather curious, however, to know how you suddenly... 898 00:59:10,094 --> 00:59:11,512 were shifted from... 899 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:16,475 a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 900 00:59:16,767 --> 00:59:20,062 I am today much more interested... 901 00:59:20,812 --> 00:59:24,525 in the handling of your case... 902 00:59:25,275 --> 00:59:28,487 by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 903 00:59:28,862 --> 00:59:33,033 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 904 00:59:33,367 --> 00:59:36,453 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 905 00:59:37,037 --> 00:59:39,039 You have been told what the rule is. 906 00:59:39,331 --> 00:59:42,376 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 907 00:59:46,046 --> 00:59:49,800 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 908 00:59:50,675 --> 00:59:52,886 1945? - Yes, sir. 909 00:59:53,762 --> 00:59:58,016 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 910 00:59:58,099 --> 00:59:59,434 Yes, I had. 911 00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:04,064 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 912 01:00:04,397 --> 01:00:07,150 have you had any connections with coded messages? 913 01:00:07,233 --> 01:00:09,194 Have you ever handled coded messages? 914 01:00:10,278 --> 01:00:12,822 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 915 01:00:13,114 --> 01:00:15,325 No more than to transmit the message. 916 01:00:15,408 --> 01:00:17,786 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 917 01:00:17,869 --> 01:00:20,580 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 918 01:00:20,663 --> 01:00:23,291 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 919 01:00:23,833 --> 01:00:25,126 Do you know the... 920 01:00:27,128 --> 01:00:28,797 type of classification... 921 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,051 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 922 01:00:33,301 --> 01:00:36,679 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 923 01:00:37,096 --> 01:00:38,139 I see. 924 01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:42,518 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 925 01:00:43,686 --> 01:00:47,732 a rather important appointment to work on right now... 926 01:00:47,815 --> 01:00:52,070 and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would take over as Chairman? 927 01:00:57,033 --> 01:00:58,576 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 928 01:00:58,659 --> 01:01:01,704 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 929 01:01:01,788 --> 01:01:05,917 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 930 01:01:06,209 --> 01:01:09,754 stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 931 01:01:09,837 --> 01:01:11,589 of the Communist Party... 932 01:01:12,048 --> 01:01:14,342 the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 933 01:01:14,425 --> 01:01:17,762 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 934 01:01:18,763 --> 01:01:21,015 witness who was called before the Committee... 935 01:01:21,098 --> 01:01:22,934 and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 936 01:01:23,017 --> 01:01:25,686 that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 937 01:01:25,770 --> 01:01:27,813 of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 938 01:01:27,897 --> 01:01:32,151 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 939 01:01:32,902 --> 01:01:36,447 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 940 01:01:36,781 --> 01:01:40,451 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 941 01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:44,079 that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 942 01:01:44,163 --> 01:01:47,791 I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 943 01:01:47,958 --> 01:01:51,253 and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 944 01:01:54,673 --> 01:01:57,968 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 945 01:01:59,345 --> 01:02:02,097 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 946 01:02:03,807 --> 01:02:05,517 by testimony, under oath. 947 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:09,396 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 948 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,106 be stricken from the record. 949 01:02:11,357 --> 01:02:13,901 I didn't ask that, Mr. Chairman! 950 01:02:13,984 --> 01:02:16,612 whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 951 01:02:16,695 --> 01:02:19,907 because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 952 01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:24,536 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 953 01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:28,832 that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 954 01:02:28,916 --> 01:02:34,046 nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 955 01:02:35,964 --> 01:02:37,299 evil of it! 956 01:02:37,591 --> 01:02:40,802 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 957 01:02:40,886 --> 01:02:42,346 to a citizen of this country... 958 01:02:42,429 --> 01:02:44,514 to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 959 01:02:44,598 --> 01:02:46,016 then when they get through, say... 960 01:02:46,099 --> 01:02:49,061 "The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 961 01:02:49,144 --> 01:02:51,855 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 962 01:02:51,938 --> 01:02:55,567 it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 963 01:02:57,235 --> 01:03:00,864 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 964 01:03:00,947 --> 01:03:05,285 nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 965 01:03:05,911 --> 01:03:08,163 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 966 01:03:08,205 --> 01:03:10,457 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 967 01:03:25,305 --> 01:03:29,392 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 968 01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:31,603 We labeled it as controversial. 969 01:03:32,145 --> 01:03:35,815 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 970 01:03:36,399 --> 01:03:37,942 At that time, we said... 971 01:03:38,109 --> 01:03:42,030 "If the Senator believes we have done violence to his words or pictures..." 972 01:03:42,113 --> 01:03:44,699 "... if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 973 01:03:44,782 --> 01:03:47,911 "... an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 974 01:03:48,202 --> 01:03:51,914 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 975 01:03:51,998 --> 01:03:56,085 because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 976 01:03:56,627 --> 01:03:57,670 We agreed. 977 01:03:58,171 --> 01:04:02,341 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 978 01:04:02,467 --> 01:04:05,553 and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 979 01:04:05,636 --> 01:04:07,388 on this particular program. 980 01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:11,893 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 981 01:04:13,311 --> 01:04:19,650 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 982 01:04:20,651 --> 01:04:22,987 devoted his program to an attack... 983 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:26,282 on the work of the US Senate Investigating Committee... 984 01:04:26,699 --> 01:04:28,909 and on me personally as its Chairman. 985 01:04:29,744 --> 01:04:33,372 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 986 01:04:33,831 --> 01:04:35,624 and those fighting Communists. 987 01:04:37,043 --> 01:04:40,254 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 988 01:04:40,921 --> 01:04:43,841 is of any great importance as individuals. 989 01:04:44,925 --> 01:04:46,427 We are only important... 990 01:04:46,761 --> 01:04:50,806 in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 991 01:04:51,265 --> 01:04:55,978 Now ordinarily, I wouldn't take time out from the important work at hand... 992 01:04:56,729 --> 01:04:57,980 to answer Murrow. 993 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,024 However, in this case... 994 01:05:00,107 --> 01:05:03,903 I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 995 01:05:04,653 --> 01:05:05,738 the leader... 996 01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:11,160 and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 997 01:05:11,577 --> 01:05:15,622 of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 998 01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:18,751 And I am compelled by the fact... 999 01:05:19,168 --> 01:05:21,670 to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1000 01:05:22,254 --> 01:05:24,798 as far back as 20 years ago... 1001 01:05:25,466 --> 01:05:28,886 was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1002 01:05:30,095 --> 01:05:33,140 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1003 01:05:33,348 --> 01:05:35,601 of which he was the Acting Director... 1004 01:05:36,184 --> 01:05:39,146 was chosen to act as a representative... 1005 01:05:39,521 --> 01:05:41,189 by a Soviet agency... 1006 01:05:42,316 --> 01:05:47,738 to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1007 01:05:48,655 --> 01:05:52,325 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1008 01:05:52,409 --> 01:05:54,953 that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1009 01:05:55,037 --> 01:05:57,831 a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1010 01:05:58,415 --> 01:06:00,917 by an Attorney General of the United States. 1011 01:06:01,084 --> 01:06:04,421 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1012 01:06:05,213 --> 01:06:08,925 "The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1013 01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:14,306 "... have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1014 01:06:14,931 --> 01:06:18,852 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1015 01:06:19,603 --> 01:06:24,941 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1016 01:06:25,275 --> 01:06:27,193 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1017 01:06:27,652 --> 01:06:29,738 is giving comfort to our enemies... 1018 01:06:29,988 --> 01:06:32,449 he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1019 01:06:32,657 --> 01:06:36,244 of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1020 01:06:36,369 --> 01:06:37,829 And I want to assure you... 1021 01:06:38,955 --> 01:06:41,958 that I will not be deterred... 1022 01:06:42,709 --> 01:06:48,548 by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1023 01:06:49,340 --> 01:06:53,303 The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1024 01:06:55,471 --> 01:06:58,600 And I make no claim to leadership. 1025 01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:02,478 In complete humility... 1026 01:07:04,313 --> 01:07:08,443 I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1027 01:07:09,152 --> 01:07:10,778 to join with me. 1028 01:07:38,848 --> 01:07:40,933 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1029 01:07:41,767 --> 01:07:44,603 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms... ] 1030 01:07:44,895 --> 01:07:49,358 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1031 01:07:50,234 --> 01:07:53,487 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa... ] 1032 01:07:53,571 --> 01:07:54,947 [... since 1888... ] 1033 01:07:55,281 --> 01:07:59,118 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1034 01:07:59,702 --> 01:08:03,831 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1035 01:08:04,456 --> 01:08:08,127 [The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer... ] 1036 01:08:08,711 --> 01:08:12,172 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1037 01:08:12,673 --> 01:08:15,175 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1038 01:08:15,259 --> 01:08:17,761 to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1039 01:08:17,845 --> 01:08:19,430 in our report of March 9th. 1040 01:08:19,513 --> 01:08:22,933 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1041 01:08:23,016 --> 01:08:25,769 we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1042 01:08:26,687 --> 01:08:29,189 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1043 01:08:29,273 --> 01:08:33,902 anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1044 01:08:34,027 --> 01:08:36,530 and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1045 01:08:36,613 --> 01:08:39,324 must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1046 01:08:39,908 --> 01:08:41,702 I fully expected this treatment. 1047 01:08:42,494 --> 01:08:45,956 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1048 01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:49,543 and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1049 01:08:49,918 --> 01:08:51,670 His proposition is very simple: 1050 01:08:52,004 --> 01:08:55,507 anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1051 01:08:55,716 --> 01:08:57,134 must be a Communist. 1052 01:08:57,843 --> 01:09:01,596 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1053 01:09:02,264 --> 01:09:05,892 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1054 01:09:05,976 --> 01:09:08,061 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1055 01:09:08,145 --> 01:09:11,481 that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1056 01:09:11,565 --> 01:09:12,732 That is false. 1057 01:09:13,358 --> 01:09:17,112 I was never a member of the IWW, never applied for membership. 1058 01:09:18,238 --> 01:09:20,824 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1059 01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:23,952 a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1060 01:09:24,035 --> 01:09:25,120 That's true. 1061 01:09:25,412 --> 01:09:28,873 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1062 01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:31,626 He was a civilized individual... 1063 01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:34,963 who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1064 01:09:35,046 --> 01:09:37,882 as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1065 01:09:38,299 --> 01:09:40,552 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1066 01:09:41,469 --> 01:09:43,972 Laski, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1067 01:09:44,055 --> 01:09:47,517 dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1068 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,437 but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1069 01:09:51,938 --> 01:09:53,648 And the dedication so reads. 1070 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:57,694 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1071 01:09:58,152 --> 01:10:01,781 that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1072 01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:05,118 the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1073 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,745 without becoming contaminated or converted. 1074 01:10:08,538 --> 01:10:11,124 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1075 01:10:11,499 --> 01:10:14,001 our determination are stronger than theirs... 1076 01:10:14,293 --> 01:10:18,714 and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1077 01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:21,008 but in the area of ideas. 1078 01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:25,930 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1079 01:10:26,305 --> 01:10:30,059 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1080 01:10:30,142 --> 01:10:32,562 as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1081 01:10:33,396 --> 01:10:36,857 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1082 01:10:36,941 --> 01:10:39,568 as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1083 01:10:40,695 --> 01:10:43,072 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1084 01:10:43,155 --> 01:10:46,200 I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1085 01:10:46,283 --> 01:10:49,412 but I have attempted to pursue the truth with diligence... 1086 01:10:49,495 --> 01:10:50,621 and to report it... 1087 01:10:50,705 --> 01:10:53,791 even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1088 01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:57,420 that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1089 01:10:58,379 --> 01:11:02,508 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1090 01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:05,010 Good night, and good luck. 1091 01:11:12,726 --> 01:11:16,522 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1092 01:11:16,605 --> 01:11:18,899 and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1093 01:11:18,983 --> 01:11:21,694 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1094 01:11:21,777 --> 01:11:24,571 where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1095 01:11:24,655 --> 01:11:28,158 to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1096 01:11:29,034 --> 01:11:31,620 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1097 01:11:31,703 --> 01:11:33,789 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1098 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:37,084 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1099 01:11:37,167 --> 01:11:38,752 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1100 01:11:39,837 --> 01:11:40,879 What? 1101 01:11:41,004 --> 01:11:44,633 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1102 01:11:44,716 --> 01:11:48,095 to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1103 01:11:48,178 --> 01:11:52,224 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1104 01:11:52,307 --> 01:11:55,644 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1105 01:11:55,727 --> 01:11:57,521 - Really? - What happened? 1106 01:11:57,688 --> 01:12:00,565 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1107 01:12:00,649 --> 01:12:02,150 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1108 01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:04,027 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1109 01:12:04,861 --> 01:12:06,988 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1110 01:12:07,072 --> 01:12:09,074 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1111 01:12:09,157 --> 01:12:11,910 because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1112 01:12:11,993 --> 01:12:15,872 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1113 01:12:19,167 --> 01:12:22,712 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1114 01:12:22,796 --> 01:12:25,215 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1115 01:12:25,298 --> 01:12:27,133 and be privy to other testimony. 1116 01:12:27,425 --> 01:12:31,304 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk to Thompson. 1117 01:12:33,848 --> 01:12:35,350 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1118 01:12:36,226 --> 01:12:39,187 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1119 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:42,482 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1120 01:12:44,317 --> 01:12:50,949 - 74, 76, 47. Thank you. - Murrayville 3, 1-2-7-6. 1121 01:13:10,969 --> 01:13:14,097 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1122 01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:18,142 does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1123 01:13:18,851 --> 01:13:23,898 of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1124 01:13:25,274 --> 01:13:28,528 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1125 01:13:28,861 --> 01:13:31,197 and questionable new methods considered... 1126 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,869 "typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1127 01:15:11,088 --> 01:15:13,131 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1128 01:15:15,383 --> 01:15:19,304 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1129 01:15:20,013 --> 01:15:22,474 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1130 01:15:22,849 --> 01:15:25,477 but no one ever called it anything but honest. 1131 01:15:25,894 --> 01:15:29,689 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1132 01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:33,026 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now". 1133 01:15:33,735 --> 01:15:36,571 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1134 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,991 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1135 01:15:40,575 --> 01:15:43,161 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1136 01:15:44,871 --> 01:15:46,164 Not much of an obit. 1137 01:15:46,623 --> 01:15:49,793 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1138 01:15:50,835 --> 01:15:53,379 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1139 01:15:54,339 --> 01:15:56,132 Good night, and good luck. 1140 01:16:01,763 --> 01:16:03,890 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1141 01:16:04,974 --> 01:16:06,476 What time is your train? 1142 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,561 8:00. 1143 01:16:10,146 --> 01:16:12,732 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1144 01:16:21,741 --> 01:16:22,950 Here's a thought. 1145 01:16:24,786 --> 01:16:26,162 What if we're wrong? 1146 01:16:28,831 --> 01:16:30,083 We're not wrong. 1147 01:16:31,793 --> 01:16:33,503 We're not going to look back... 1148 01:16:35,546 --> 01:16:37,673 and say we protected the wrong side? 1149 01:16:40,092 --> 01:16:45,431 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1150 01:16:46,557 --> 01:16:49,977 Argument could be made, "for the greater good". 1151 01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:54,940 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1152 01:16:56,651 --> 01:16:58,027 It's just a thought. 1153 01:17:04,742 --> 01:17:09,497 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1154 01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:12,166 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1155 01:17:12,374 --> 01:17:16,212 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1156 01:17:16,295 --> 01:17:18,923 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1157 01:17:19,089 --> 01:17:22,176 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1158 01:17:22,593 --> 01:17:28,057 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1159 01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:31,935 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1160 01:17:32,144 --> 01:17:37,274 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1161 01:17:37,649 --> 01:17:41,653 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1162 01:17:41,779 --> 01:17:45,282 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1163 01:17:45,365 --> 01:17:49,161 when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1164 01:17:49,536 --> 01:17:52,706 that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1165 01:17:52,873 --> 01:17:56,502 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1166 01:17:56,668 --> 01:18:02,007 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1167 01:18:02,090 --> 01:18:05,135 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1168 01:18:05,218 --> 01:18:08,972 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1169 01:18:09,264 --> 01:18:11,975 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1170 01:18:12,059 --> 01:18:13,435 I think no comment. 1171 01:18:17,064 --> 01:18:20,442 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I can't write about it. 1172 01:18:20,525 --> 01:18:22,944 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1173 01:18:23,028 --> 01:18:26,198 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1174 01:18:26,406 --> 01:18:28,033 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1175 01:18:28,158 --> 01:18:29,159 You, too. 1176 01:18:39,461 --> 01:18:40,545 Close the door. 1177 01:18:43,798 --> 01:18:44,883 Have a seat. 1178 01:18:48,511 --> 01:18:51,639 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1179 01:18:52,307 --> 01:18:55,393 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1180 01:18:55,477 --> 01:18:57,604 that no two employees can be married. 1181 01:19:00,398 --> 01:19:03,818 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1182 01:19:03,902 --> 01:19:05,653 I want you to consider it. 1183 01:19:06,821 --> 01:19:08,490 I know you two are married. 1184 01:19:10,575 --> 01:19:11,701 Everyone knows. 1185 01:19:12,869 --> 01:19:14,162 That's not my question. 1186 01:19:14,537 --> 01:19:17,624 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1187 01:19:17,707 --> 01:19:20,543 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1188 01:19:21,836 --> 01:19:23,463 I wanted you to know that... 1189 01:19:23,671 --> 01:19:26,632 because you could save someone else being fired. 1190 01:19:28,801 --> 01:19:32,680 I'm asking you to consider making this decision a little easier. 1191 01:19:35,016 --> 01:19:36,684 I don't need an answer now. 1192 01:19:38,227 --> 01:19:40,271 Just think about it. 1193 01:19:41,939 --> 01:19:42,940 Good. 1194 01:19:54,869 --> 01:19:56,120 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1195 01:19:56,537 --> 01:19:59,749 - Sure we're gonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1196 01:20:03,002 --> 01:20:05,713 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1197 01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:09,633 Mrs. Wershba... 1198 01:20:12,511 --> 01:20:13,679 Everybody knew. 1199 01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:24,690 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1200 01:20:24,773 --> 01:20:27,651 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1201 01:20:43,375 --> 01:20:44,501 Uh-oh! 1202 01:20:47,921 --> 01:20:51,383 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1203 01:20:51,759 --> 01:20:54,094 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1204 01:20:54,178 --> 01:20:55,554 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1205 01:20:55,637 --> 01:20:58,223 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1206 01:20:58,307 --> 01:21:00,225 Fred, you're speaking beyond your competence. 1207 01:21:00,309 --> 01:21:02,728 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1208 01:21:02,811 --> 01:21:06,523 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 80,000 in sponsors... 1209 01:21:06,607 --> 01:21:08,817 and it costs one-third of what you do. 1210 01:21:08,901 --> 01:21:11,903 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1211 01:21:11,987 --> 01:21:15,449 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1212 01:21:15,532 --> 01:21:18,452 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1213 01:21:18,535 --> 01:21:21,038 every time you take on a controversial subject. 1214 01:21:22,748 --> 01:21:25,834 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1215 01:21:27,252 --> 01:21:30,213 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1216 01:21:30,297 --> 01:21:32,716 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1217 01:21:32,799 --> 01:21:36,178 than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you're doing, Ed. Not me. 1218 01:21:36,261 --> 01:21:37,387 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1219 01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:41,766 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1220 01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:42,976 You wouldn't know it. 1221 01:21:44,728 --> 01:21:49,524 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1222 01:21:50,483 --> 01:21:54,904 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1223 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,073 I fight to keep the license... 1224 01:21:57,157 --> 01:22:00,535 with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1225 01:22:00,618 --> 01:22:05,665 and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1226 01:22:07,041 --> 01:22:10,170 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1227 01:22:11,296 --> 01:22:13,214 I would argue that this network... 1228 01:22:14,465 --> 01:22:17,510 is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1229 01:22:17,594 --> 01:22:21,639 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1230 01:22:21,723 --> 01:22:24,892 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1231 01:22:31,274 --> 01:22:32,608 Let me ask you this: 1232 01:22:34,318 --> 01:22:36,112 why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1233 01:22:36,195 --> 01:22:39,240 when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1234 01:22:39,449 --> 01:22:43,119 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1235 01:22:43,786 --> 01:22:46,998 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1236 01:22:47,081 --> 01:22:49,917 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1237 01:22:53,921 --> 01:22:55,631 What do you want to do, Bill? 1238 01:22:59,635 --> 01:23:02,597 I'm taking your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1239 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,183 And it won't be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1240 01:23:06,809 --> 01:23:09,186 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1241 01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:14,984 - How many episodes? - 5. 1242 01:23:17,737 --> 01:23:19,655 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1243 01:23:19,780 --> 01:23:22,158 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1244 01:23:26,620 --> 01:23:27,997 You owe me 5 shows. 1245 01:23:38,007 --> 01:23:40,634 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1246 01:23:40,801 --> 01:23:42,970 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1247 01:23:57,693 --> 01:24:00,028 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1248 01:24:06,243 --> 01:24:09,580 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1249 01:24:09,746 --> 01:24:12,791 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1250 01:24:15,919 --> 01:24:19,339 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1251 01:24:19,423 --> 01:24:22,634 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1252 01:24:22,968 --> 01:24:27,180 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1253 01:24:37,816 --> 01:24:40,026 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1254 01:24:44,030 --> 01:24:46,950 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1255 01:24:47,033 --> 01:24:48,994 See, you should have worn a dress! 1256 01:24:50,704 --> 01:24:53,331 - How does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1257 01:24:54,374 --> 01:24:56,918 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1258 01:24:57,002 --> 01:24:59,045 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1259 01:24:59,129 --> 01:25:01,923 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1260 01:25:02,382 --> 01:25:03,842 man can walk upright. 1261 01:25:06,553 --> 01:25:08,805 No matter who he is or who she is. 1262 01:25:09,681 --> 01:25:13,643 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1263 01:25:14,519 --> 01:25:17,564 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1264 01:25:18,523 --> 01:25:20,692 may be in a position of great power... 1265 01:25:21,651 --> 01:25:26,447 that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1266 01:25:27,991 --> 01:25:31,494 to rot there without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1267 01:25:33,538 --> 01:25:36,624 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1268 01:25:37,458 --> 01:25:40,670 I began by saying that our history will be what we make it. 1269 01:25:41,421 --> 01:25:42,964 If we go on as we are... 1270 01:25:43,256 --> 01:25:46,843 then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1271 01:25:46,926 --> 01:25:48,344 in catching up with us. 1272 01:25:49,846 --> 01:25:53,850 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1273 01:25:55,226 --> 01:25:58,688 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1274 01:25:58,771 --> 01:26:01,023 the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1275 01:26:01,107 --> 01:26:04,902 is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1276 01:26:04,986 --> 01:26:08,406 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1277 01:26:08,489 --> 01:26:12,785 is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1278 01:26:13,744 --> 01:26:17,289 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1279 01:26:17,581 --> 01:26:20,793 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1280 01:26:21,585 --> 01:26:22,586 Would anything happen... 1281 01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:26,465 other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1282 01:26:26,549 --> 01:26:29,802 on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1283 01:26:29,885 --> 01:26:32,388 and therefore the future of the corporations? 1284 01:26:33,139 --> 01:26:36,559 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1285 01:26:36,642 --> 01:26:39,645 "... they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1286 01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:43,732 I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1287 01:26:44,191 --> 01:26:46,819 considerable evidence against that contention. 1288 01:26:47,861 --> 01:26:50,864 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1289 01:26:51,115 --> 01:26:52,700 Because if they are right... 1290 01:26:52,783 --> 01:26:54,827 and this instrument is good for nothing... 1291 01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:57,454 but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1292 01:26:58,163 --> 01:27:00,040 then the tube is flickering now... 1293 01:27:00,124 --> 01:27:03,210 and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1294 01:27:04,169 --> 01:27:05,712 This instrument can teach. 1295 01:27:06,130 --> 01:27:08,632 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1296 01:27:09,299 --> 01:27:13,387 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1297 01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:14,888 towards those ends. 1298 01:27:16,306 --> 01:27:18,892 Otherwise, it is merely wires and lights... 1299 01:27:19,601 --> 01:27:20,769 in a box. 1300 01:27:23,855 --> 01:27:26,316 Good night, and good luck. 1301 01:27:27,305 --> 01:27:33,479 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www. 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