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05ROME902 | 2005-03-17 05:05 | 2011-02-21 11:11 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy Rome |
This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.
C O N F I D E N T I A L ROME 000902
SIPDIS
DEPT FOR S, D, P, NEA AND EUR;
OSD FOR SECDEF, DEPSECDEF WOLFOWITZ AND USDP FEITH;
NSC FOR DAN FRIED;
CENTCOM FOR GEN. ABIZAID;
BAGHDAD FOR AMB. NEGROPONTE AND GEN. CASEY
E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/16/2015
TAGS: PREL MOPS PGOV IT IZ IRAQI FREEDOM AFGHANISTAN
SUBJECT: IRAQ/ITALY - TRANSCRIPT AND COMMENT ON
BERLUSCONI'S TROOP REDUCTION COMMENTS
REF: ROME 886
Classified By: A/DCM SCOTT KILNER, REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D).
¶1. (C) SUMMARY: PM Berlusconi's comments on the March 15
edition of ""Porta a Porta,"" a popular television
news/interview program, suggesting the withdrawal of Italian
troops from Iraq beginning in September of this year, have
made an impact in both the Italian popular press and in
international media. As is often the case, his comments were
taken out of context in some cases and in others spun
according to the political leanings of editors. In fact, the
Prime Minister's comments were not much different from what
the Italian Government has been saying for some months --
Italy would like to get its troops out of Iraq sooner rather
than later, but not at the expense of Iraqi security and
democracy-building efforts. Berlusconi's immediate
reassurance to us (reftel) that there is no real change in
Italy,s policy underlines the extent to which his surprise
announcement is driven by imminent regional elections. END
SUMMARY.
¶2. (U) Given the sensitivity of this issue and in the
interests of maximum clarity, Embassy is providing at end of
this cable a transcript of our unofficial translation of the
PM's comments. (See Para 6.)
¶3. (SBU) In the March 16 edition of centrist La Stampa,
Berlusconi spokesperson Paolo Bonaiuti elaborated on the
Prime Minister's remarks. ""First, the Iraqi Government must
be in agreement (with an Italian withdrawal). Then our
Allies must agree. Finally the highest military authorities
must find an understanding over procedures. In sum, we will
try to begin the withdrawal in September and we will seek to
bring it to conclusion by the end of the year."" (Embassy
note: The phrasing could mean either the end of 2005 or
within a one-year time period.) ""These are our intentions,
but then we must take into account reality,"" Bonaiuti
concluded.
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COMMENT: IT'S ALL ABOUT ELECTIONS
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¶4. (C) Like other national leaders, Berlusconi is finding
discussion of an exit strategy to be an asset when facing
elections. What surprised us is his decision to play this
card now, before regional elections in which Iraq will be a
minor issue. A growing majority of the Italian public
opposes the continued Italian deployment in Iraq. In the
wake of the liberation of hostage Giuliana Sgrena and the
shooting of Italian intelligence official Nicola Calipari, a
La Stampa poll published this week shows 47% favoring
withdrawal (up from 35% in February) and only 14% favoring
remaining under current conditions.
¶5. (C) Berlusconi's and Bonaiuti's caveats will leave the
Prime Minister lots of wiggle room to avoid withdrawal if the
situation in Iraq does not improve by September, and/or if
Iraq/U.S./UK push him hard to maintain Italy's presence.
However, Berlusconi's reassurances to us of ""no change in
policy"" (reftel) could still run up against electoral
reality. In national elections next year, voters will be
more likely to remember the ""promise"" in the headlines than
the caveats underneath. Watching the polls as astutely as he
does, Berlusconi could find himself pushed into a symbolic
withdrawal -- or more -- by the end of the year. END COMMENT.
¶6. (U) Begin transcript of segment of March 15 edition of
""Porta a Porta."" Names other than Berlusconi's refer to
journalists who appeared with him on the program:
Mario Orfeo, (managing editor of Naples daily Il Mattino):
Both you and FM Fini talked about exit strategy. When? What
does it depend on? Does it depend on us, on the Americans or
an Iraqi request?
Berlusconi: It depends on the capacity the Iraqi government
will have to set up adequate security and police forces
because the birth and the growth of democracy in Iraq can
take place only if the minimally acceptable conditions of
security are in place in the country. Therefore, we, I
personally and deeply, talked about this with Tony Blair,
saying we must create a precise &exit strategy8 (said in
English), also because our public opinions are waiting for
this communication. And we agreed that we will talk about
this in the near future as we link this to the will and the
organizational ability of the next Iraqi government to
increase their capability of self defense so that we can in
parallel and in a complementary way reduce our presence in
Iraq.
Bruno Vespa (host): Is it realistic to imagine that we would
withdraw after the national elections at the end of the year?
Berlusconi: I think we will certainly begin reducing the
number of our military even before, in accordance(
Paolo Gambescia (Il Messagero managing editor):
(Interrupting) Even before the end of the year?
Berlusconi: Even before the end of the year.
Vespa: This is news.
Berlusconi: It is our will to aim for a possible reduction
even before the end of the year, in agreement with our
allies, and with the Iraqi government.
Orfeo: You gave us very good news.
Berlusconi: We are working on this direction because we are
self-aware. Let's remember with pride that we are the 6th
largest economy in the world and therefore we have to take
responsibility for democracy and freedom in the world.
Without democracy there is no real freedom, and without real
freedom there cannot be growth in countries. Therefore I
believe the commitment - as suggested to President Bush and
the Republican majority, the American majority, out of their
Constitution ) to assume the role of world leader, that he
has wanted to do this, is something very positive. Only when
we will no longer have those 30 or 40 countries where human
dignity is not respected will it be possible to have
countries that grow in well being. I'm absolutely convinced
that the western countries will bear some blame if the
sub-Saharan African countries have no conditions of well
being. They have not been able to give themselves conditions
of democracy, hence freedom, hence they have not known growth
and well being.
Vespa: So, in your opinion, how many months until the first
leave?
Berlusconi: I think that beginning in September, in the
talks I have had with my colleagues, beginning in September
we would like to begin a progressive reduction of our
soldiers in Iraq. We are proud to be the third country in
terms of number of soldiers in peacekeeping operations. We
are the third after the US, after the UK, we are third. And
also in Iraq our contingent of 3,300 men is the third, after
the US and UK.
End transcript segment.
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