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    1315834882392 Atheism = To Contradict Oneself Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)09:41:22 No.353048969  
    Atheists:
    ----------------------------------------------
    Is it impossible for God to exist?
    >> !8Anonk5A0g 09/12/11(Mon)10:10:47 No.353049286
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    You trolls are destroyed in threads like this every half an hour. I will not waste my time doing it more than once a week. I'm sure somebody else will though.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:10:50 No.353049293
    >>353048969

    Depends on what you would consider "God". I think it's safe to say that the holy texts of any existing religion are contradictory and sometimes provably wrong enough to say it is virtually impossible that the _specific_ god(s) of those religions could exist. It is certainly imaginable (though there is no evidence indicating it) that the universe was created by some intelligent creature. But would that mean that creature is "God"? Imagine some human scientist would create a little bubble of spacetime in a particle accelerator which constitutes or grows into a whole parallel universe. Regardless of whether that's actually possible, would that make that the scientist a "god"? I'd say no.
    In the absence of any direct evidence, it is unlikely but possible that a creator exists, but it is even more unlikely that it even remotely resembles the gods of our religions, and thus I think should not be called "God" even if it exists.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:10:55 No.353049306
    Question, why does the fact of people not believing in god bother you so much? Do you have such a weak confidence in your own religious teachings that you constantly need to confront people who do not believe in the same ideology as you in order to reaffirm it is true?
    Think for a moment If all good people goto heaven they will fundamentally have everyone they love up there correct?
    So one could assume if you wanted to spend eternity with that person you could since its heaven and that is what you wanted. BUT what if the person one person loves in facts hates the person who "loves" them. Think to a crazy ex girlfirend ( i know you don't have one but pretend for a minute) She will want to spend eternity with you because you are her true love ect ect or so she believes. If she were to do that it would make your heaven not so heaven like now would it? So in exchange for one person getting their "heaven" you would of course be stuck in your own personal hell.
    That is where i can't believe in a god, because it is impossible to create one persons heaven without subjected someone to hell who is already in heaven.
    Unless he slits up your consciousness into seperate entities which will be subjected to someone elses corner of heaven which to me sounds rather cruel that he would destroy basically who you are to make someone else happy.
    tl'dr there is no god stfu
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:11:23 No.353049379
    yes
    /thread
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:11:38 No.353049412
    ofc not, it's just improbably.
    Atheïst don't deny the existence of God, they doubt it/don't believe he does.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:12:01 No.353049471
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:12:11 No.353049503
    People have the right to believe that he exists, but they're naive to do so, in my opinion. I mean sure, we can't prove he doesn't exist and all that shit, but i seriously don't believe in something that is supposed to be so good and wonderful but is in fact almost evil, letting millions starve, die of disease and get killed for no reason.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:13:13 No.353049677
    2/10 because you'll probably get some people but its the same idea as any other religion you just belief in one less god then any monotheistic religion.
    realistically anything is possible we just cant grasp the concept of how yet
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:13:29 No.353049722
    >>353049379
    How is it impossible?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:14:53 No.353049843
    >>353049412

    Wrong.

    >atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:15:18 No.353049878
    Yes. Impossible. By most definitions of god.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:15:55 No.353049914
    >>353049293
    Religion is contradictory.
    The God of the bible is free of contradiction.

    Is that why it's possible for God to exist? Because obviously it's not impossible.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:17:02 No.353049981
    I'll just leave this here sh0r7.info/Y604JK
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:17:04 No.353049984
    >>353048969
    The real question is not if God, or a god exists... it's to ask yourself if it makes any kind of difference.

    And the answer is no.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:17:47 No.353050042
    Not impossible, just highly improbable.

    If there is a god I highly doubt it's the one(s) from any known religion.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:17:50 No.353050044
    >>353049306
    Save your emotional distress for the campfire?
    You never answered the question. You just went off topic.
    Is it impossible for God to exist? Why/Why not?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:18:41 No.353050110
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    >>353049984
    This is the truest thing I've ever read
    listen to this man
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:20:03 No.353050209
    >>353049412
    >>353049293
    >>353049412
    >>353049503
    so let me get this straight, atheists are agnostics now?
    funny how atheists can't even make up their minds.

    are you an atheist or an agnostic or theist?

    there is no in between.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:21:29 No.353050325
    >>353049984
    typical atheist response.
    >ignore the question entirely
    Grow some balls and answer the question. Why are atheists so scared to answer the thought provoking questions. Do you lack intelligence to do so? Man up
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:21:33 No.353050329
    Does religion answers that question?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:21:53 No.353050357
    >>353050044
    it is impossible
    I much rather follow nordic religion at least that makes sense
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:22:13 No.353050377
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    >>353048969
    no, but by your logic, also dragons and unicorns exist

    fuck off and learn science trollfag

    pic related: what is normal thinking after 3 secs of effort
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:22:57 No.353050424
    Hey Atheists,
    if you be in a bad situation, why do you always say
    " oh my god!!!" ?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:23:08 No.353050432
    is it possible? yes

    is it likely? no, you will have a better chance at winning the big lot a few times in a row
    >> ROOK !FUCKwmyQvo 09/12/11(Mon)10:23:20 No.353050446
    The answer... Binky... is NO! We are god... all of us, but there is NO GOD!!! By the very phrase "NO GOD" it nullifies the existence of a god figure... so get over it!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:23:40 No.353050472
    >>353048969
    No. Also, your definition of atheism is wrong.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:24:17 No.353050538
    >>353049843

    To you believe there no deities is not the same as saying it is impossible for them to exist.

    The idea that anything is possible is a given, for most thinking people. When I say I'm an atheist, think of it as me saying that if there were a bet on whether or not God exist, my money is on nonexistence.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:24:30 No.353050551
    aliens controll the gonverment, we are being controlled by them, we wont last much longer i promise u that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:24:32 No.353050553
    >>353050424
    because "oh my goodness" sounds gay.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:25:11 No.353050600
    The probability of God existing is unknown.

    Insufficient data.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:25:40 No.353050642
    >>353049984

    Whether he exist or not does make no difference, I agree.

    But whether you believe that he exist or not can make a HUGE difference.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:26:52 No.353050731
    >>353050600
    >>353050600
    same for dragons, also invisible meatball monsters.

    if it is not here, it does not exist. that is the normal logic
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:27:30 No.353050783
    >>353050357
    It's not impossible if you can't explain why.
    What makes it impossible? Your experience? Isn't that what Christians use to prove God?

    Troll harder.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:27:55 No.353050813
    >>353050209

    Oh troll. You and I both know there is no such thing as an Agnostic, in terms of belief in God.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:28:02 No.353050828
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    >>353050553
    You have faith man.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:29:18 No.353050944
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    >>353050828
    Nope.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:29:49 No.353050988
    >>353050377
    dinosaurs were referred to as dragons and still are in many societies.
    Are you thick?

    >hurr the invisible spacehip in my garage doesn't exist. This proves God doesn't exist.
    It's like I'm talking to a 2 year old sometimes.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:29:50 No.353050989
    Does God exist?
    you can't answear this question with yes or no.
    that the only and true religion does exist can be answeared with no. (religion =/= god/faith)

    I think if something like god exists it exists in another dimensions. SO this "god" isn't almighty it only can change some things which are strange in our world.
    cause if something von another dimension has effects on another dimension you only can see one part, but not the whole thing ( well explained:

    )

    So, if something which "lives" exists in another dimension, we can't imagine, it have to be more than one individual.
    It could be possible, that our mind, our "soul" is sent after death in this another dimension. 'cause our body and our thinking and feeling mind which we called "I" are two different things.
    this could be something like nietzsche told us from the Übermensch, but only in the face of death.
    I think, death is the highest form of self-freeing you can reach, cause you got no love around you which influences or control you. you're truely free.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:30:21 No.353051025
    >>353049914
    >The God of the bible is free of contradiction.


    >All loving God
    >murders innocent Egyptian children
    nope.jpg
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:31:23 No.353051127
    >>353050828

    Atheist here. I'm willing to admit that I have faith. I am also highly irrational sometimes. I've been known to make choices based almost fully on emotion.

    But the rest of your picture is complete nonsense.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:31:35 No.353051150
    >>353050783
    says the troll
    >> God Created Us 09/12/11(Mon)10:33:43 No.353051337
    God exists, this is a fact. And it does matter if everyone not belonging to God/Jesus is of the dark side. Take prayer for example, if I can't do anything by myself for a person because that person is controlled by a dark spirit I have to pray to release Him from that force at least for a while so God can do His work. God exists, I know this of what I have experienced.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:34:14 No.353051390
    Why did god make 5 religions?
    muslim here.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:34:24 No.353051401
    >>353050600
    That wasn't the question

    >>353050446
    0/10

    >>353050538
    Proof of someone who has no idea whether he is an atheist or not. the irony
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:35:34 No.353051505
    >>353051390
    allah is a demon
    muhammad is a false prophet that will have a place in the lake of fire

    Man created religion. Not God
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:36:03 No.353051557
    Americans are retarded. Most americans are christians.
    -->
    Christianity is retarded.

    Q.E.D
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:36:08 No.353051570
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    There is no reason to believe any kind of god exists.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:37:34 No.353051715
    >>353051401
    Proof of someone who does not know the definition of atheism or irony
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:37:36 No.353051717
    >>353051025
    God is Just. Do you know what it means to be Just?
    God was completely justified.
    I think you need a dictionary first.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:38:02 No.353051769
    The existence of god is irrelevant, and even if it wasn't, it should be considered nonexistent until proof otherwise, just like everything else.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:38:55 No.353051856
    >>353051401
    I don't believe in God. Fairly certain I that makes me an atheist.

    I'm just not willing to claim certainty on ANY subject (with the exception of some math).

    Proof, I think that you can be an atheist and agnostic at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:39:27 No.353051909
    >>353050944
    If this chart is true, then why do people spew garbage like "they never fought in the name of atheism!!!!!1!"

    How does one fight for atheism?
    You see atheists are ignorant of fact.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:39:48 No.353051939
    >>353051505
    >allah is a demon

    Allah is an Arabic word for god
    Are you saying God is a demon?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:40:53 No.353052033
    >>353048969
    Atheism = people who don't belive in god , therefore for them it doesn't exsist , Derp
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:40:57 No.353052046
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    >>353051856
    You're an agnostic atheist. Congratulations!

    >>353051909
    Lol, you didn't even read the chart.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:41:32 No.353052106
    >>353050989
    if God is everywhere, how could he not be in 2 places at once? Is it really that hard for you to grasp?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:43:29 No.353052276
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    >>353052106
    If god is everywhere then why have churches?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:43:40 No.353052292
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    atheism proves that religion is man made

    since god is found only in religious texts........
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:45:07 No.353052428
    ALL RIGHT YOU FAGGOTS, LETS LEAVE DEFINITIONS ASIDE, RELIGIOUS/ATHEIST IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

    IF YOU DEEPLY BELIEVE IN SOMETHING AND DEFEND IT JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE TAUGHT ABOUT IT AND THERE IS NO PROOF, YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED AND SHOULD DIE.
    THEREFORE THE CORRECT ANSWER IS: PROOF, SCIENCE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR BLIND (FUCKTARDED) BELIEF. THERE IS NO PROOF OF GOD THEREFORE IT DOES NOT EXIST. WHEN/IF THERE EVER IS, THEN IT DOES.
    ITS SIMPLE YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:45:53 No.353052494
    >>353051570
    typical atheist troll who can't answer the question in front of him

    >>353051769
    typical atheist troll who can't answer the question in front of him

    >>353051856
    so atheism is a belief now? oh boy
    there is no agnostic. just arrogance.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:45:58 No.353052503
    >>353052106

    if he is in another dimension he couldn't be everywhere. this is impossible. I talk not about that god we know from the bible or other old and "true" books. I want to say, that it's possible that something exists in another dimension and if they do something there, it could have some effects to our world, and this strange things like unexplained gohst-sightings or whaterver could be caused from this individuals
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:47:18 No.353052611
    >>353051717

    >Honestly believes words that existed centuries before his "god" can be rewritten JUST CAUSE I SAY SO

    Justice is not based on "God" but on human ethics, therefore God is not Just by modern standards/ethics

    Pick up your dictionary, rather than your bible
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:47:19 No.353052613
    >>353051939
    there's no point in talking to someone who's never read the holy texts.

    read them and you'll find your answer. only one God exists. God is not contradictory. The god of islam is not the God of the bible. I gave you a hint.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:47:25 No.353052622
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    >>353052494
    I did answer the question back here: >>353050472
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:49:17 No.353052797
    >>353052046
    Answer the question.

    And to the other one, an agnostic atheist doesn't exist.
    An atheist doesn't know whether God exists or not. It has nothing to do with knowing. It's faith and belief.

    Take your outdated philosophy garbage to another board
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:49:22 No.353052805
    ALL RIGHT YOU FAGGOTS, LETS LEAVE DEFINITIONS ASIDE, RELIGIOUS/ATHEIST IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

    IF YOU DEEPLY BELIEVE IN SOMETHING AND DEFEND IT JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE TAUGHT ABOUT IT AND THERE IS NO PROOF, YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED AND SHOULD DIE.
    THEREFORE THE CORRECT ANSWER IS: PROOF, SCIENCE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR BLIND (FUCKTARDED) BELIEF.
    THERE IS CURRENTLY NO PROOF OF GOD THEREFORE IT DOES NOT EXIST.
    WHEN/IF THERE EVER IS, THEN IT DOES.

    ITS SIMPLE YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:49:39 No.353052829
    >>353052613
    I don't see your point here
    Both the Qur'an and the new testament were based on the old testament
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:49:39 No.353052831
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    >>353052613
    Actually the Koran is based on the Bible. Technically it's the same god.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:50:40 No.353052917
    >>353052276
    Do you even know what Church means?
    You need a dictionary too.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:50:50 No.353052931
    >>353052613

    Judaism, Islam and Chritianity are all based on the Abrahmaic God
    Troll harder
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:50:51 No.353052933
    >be an atheist
    >don't believe in god
    >think god its possible
    >proves or didn't happend
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:51:15 No.353052970
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    >>353052797
    Actually I did answer the question back here: >>353050472
    Pay attention.

    Please refer to my handy diagrams for the meanings of terms like 'atheist' and 'agnostic'.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:53:05 No.353053123
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    >>353052917
    I sure do know what a church is.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:53:29 No.353053149
    No, it's not impossible. There's just no evidence for it.
    See also: fairies, teapots orbiting Mars, the Loch Ness monster.
    >> God Created Us 09/12/11(Mon)10:54:10 No.353053208
    Science, the tool of Satan:

    "Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer," wrote Kansas State University biologist Scott Todd in 1999, "such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."

    The Problem Of Evidence: forbes.com/2009/02/05/evolution-evidence-religion-opinions-darwin09_0205_jonathan_wells.html

    Just think about i, all atheists believing that science will find evidence for God and creation given enought time. Will not happen, everything pointing to God is excluded from science, you will have to try finding the truth for yourself.

    Biologist Richard Lewontin was similarly candid: “We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism . . . we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door” (“Billions and Billions of Demons,” New York Review of Books, Jan. 9, 1997, p. 31, emphasis added).

    www.ucg.org/files/booklets/lifes-ultimate-question-does-god-exist.pdf
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)10:56:08 No.353053413
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    >>353053208
    Lol, you're quite a jokester. If data pointed to a creator then it would be naturalistic. There's no conspiracy here guys, there's no bias. As soon as you can provide some convincing evidence, the entire scientific community will start to believe. It's that easy.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:57:05 No.353053490
    Is there any benefit in answering this question of the hypothetical possibility?
    Yes, assuming the answer to the question is either yes or no when can transcended our current horizon with new hypothetical concepts and theories based on them, compare them, find correlations etc beyond our impotence to actually factually answer the question whether this hypothetical concept is real or not and followed by discarding it as unreasonable and waste of time.

    Did we already do that approx a millennia ago?
    Yes!

    Did it turn it it was all useless crap and nothing worth for humanity and only exploited to fool some dumbasses and retards?
    Yes!

    Is there any benefit in asking this question all over again?
    No

    Is there any benefit in answering this question all over again when some retards keeps repeating it despite pointing him at the previous made arguments and deductions?
    No

    >inb4 theistfags going ad absurdum
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)10:58:55 No.353053684
    >>353052428
    another one dodged the question. go home lassie

    >>353052503
    You define God the same way you would define a human being. Your thinking is narrow. God is omnipotent, omniscient, etc. How is it impossible?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:00:23 No.353053820
    >>353050731
    >>353050731

    There are many things that can not be seen, yet exists.

    Mostly apparent with some corner cases;

    Let's say, we're at the most primordial existance of everything, and there is one thing, a concept of something. A sort of syntax of reality or rule making the existence of one thing possible, and as so, making it a reality. Let's say this one thing is a single dot.

    At this stage there is no syntax allowing any mathematics or logic, it's just a dot. It's there or it is not.

    Going from here to anywhere would be hard without a better syntax of existence, simply allowing a dot to exist does not cut it. Enter the rule allowing a second dot to exists.

    Might sound too simple, but if you think about it, we can describe a circle right there, an origo and a radius. Mathematics is suddenly allowed by the syntax of reality.

    Add one more dot? It gets more complex. All thanks so something which does not exists in the common sense (it's just a syntax / rule allowing something to exists).

    ETC.

    My point is, there might be something that "meta-exists", beyond what is normally regarded as existing or not.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:00:55 No.353053876
    >>353052611
    >>353052611
    Are you a troll? If what is just is determined by human ethics, than nothing is just. God is just.
    >hurr God is not just because I said so
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:01:17 No.353053909
    >>353052046
    And from that chart we can see that agnostic theists and agnostic atheists are reasonably people who it's worth talking to, while gnostics of either theist or atheist persuasion are closed-minded and have their heads firmly up their own asses.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:01:22 No.353053912
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    >>353053684
    Go ask Matt Dillahunty. He'll tell you that it's not logically possible to be omnipotent. And yes, logical absolutes apply.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:02:01 No.353053972
    >>353053684
    >>Your thinking is narrow
    BAHAHAHAHHAHAH
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:02:13 No.353054001
    >>353052622
    this thread has proven it though. How is it wrong?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:02:22 No.353054016
    >>353053909
    >people I belong to = right
    >people I don't belong to = wrong

    stay classy autist
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:03:06 No.353054085
    >>353053684

    Omnipotence is a logical fallacy. The old question: Can "god" create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it?
    "God" also shows he is not omniscient at at least 50 times in your bible

    Capcha: begNin SCIENCE
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:04:40 No.353054225
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    >>353053876
    What god? Define your god and prove it exists.

    >>353054001
    Atheism is the position of disbelief in claims about gods. That is all.
    I have been posting helpful diagrams on this subject, you might like to go back and read them.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:04:56 No.353054252
    >>353052829
    both holy texts contradict eachother.
    Like I said, its pointless discussing this with you because you are unaware of the facts. Do some research, I already gave you enough info on what to look for.

    >>353052931
    This is coming from someone that knows none of them
    go home troll.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:04:59 No.353054256
    >>353054016
    the funny thing is you missed the point, which is that agnostics by nature recognize they might be wrong, whereas gnostics claim 100% certainty and so declare everyone else wrong. Congratulations on describing the gnostic viewpoint so perfectly

    >inb4 no u
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:05:58 No.353054354
    >>353052831
    ignorance overload.
    i can make generalizations too. here's one

    Almost every religion has the golden rule.
    All religions are the same.

    0/10
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:06:30 No.353054412
    "The only thing I know, is that I know nothing"

    And that's just the way it is.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:06:45 No.353054434
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    >>353054085
    Well technically that's not a valid question because it's like asking 'can he do something he cannot do' which is just silly.

    You're right about the Bible though. In fact, if you believe the Bible is correct then God was defeated by some dude with iron chariots.
    Theists listen up because you can no longer make both of those claims at once.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:07:24 No.353054503
    >>353054252
    >both holy texts contradict eachother.
    I think we can leave the question of how your god should be worshipped for another troll thread
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:07:32 No.353054516
    >>353052970
    already told you why agnostic anything doesn't exist.
    You haven't even attempted to reply to it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:07:40 No.353054525
    >>353053876
    Your God is unjust, deal with it. He commends Sodomy, rape, genocide and bigotry several times in the bible.

    Justice is decided by the majority in a population, not your book, look at a dictionary NOWHERE does it mention justice is based on "God"
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:08:25 No.353054605
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    >>353054252
    Can we have less of this point blank 'you're wrong, i'm right' stuff?

    >>353054354
    I wasn't making a generalisation at all. Please pay attention to what is actually being said.
    >> namefag 09/12/11(Mon)11:08:34 No.353054615
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    No. It's currently impossible for me to have any clue whether or not god exists. I just don't think so because there is no evidence supporting god's existence. Atheist here, not agnostic, everyone is always telling me I'm agnostic because I acknowledge that I can't know. No, I just don't fucking think so and therefore I am an atheist. Hell even if I lacked a belief in god but had NO opinions on god's existence I'd still be a fucking atheist. GOD!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:09:24 No.353054709
    >>353054085
    >Believes in the Christian Bible
    If there's one thing that's true its that Christianity was rewritten specifically to be favorable with the Romans, they managed to sanitize Jesus and the early Christian religion.
    I generally prefer Judaism and its inevitable successor post-Christianity, Islam as Islam doesn't regard the false-trinity which endorses idol worship and is blatantly a hoax as true. Not to mention, Muhammad's revelations and actions were purely the same as Moses's. The issue with Christianity and its falseness that it preaches is that it blatantly doesn't reflect God, it reflects the wishes of the Romans.

    >Herp derp Muhammad was a pedophile warlord
    >Moses condones pedophilia in the thousands range and the slaughtering of tens of thousands of civilians in one of the earliest Jewish war crimes.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:09:49 No.353054761
    >>353054503
    There is only one God, not 2. One worships God. The other doesn't. What's so hard to understand? Do some research
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:10:23 No.353054842
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    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:10:44 No.353054881
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    >>353054516
    Read the diagrams buddy.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:11:00 No.353054916
    >>353054434
    No its a valid question proving omnipotence is impossible, showing that in order to be "omnipotent" you must have contradicting abilities
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:12:00 No.353055025
    >>353054761
    Have you been reading your own posts?
    The discussion was whether the god in the Qur'an is the same as that of the bible

    Trolls are so sloppy these days
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:12:28 No.353055076
    Sure we can't tell if God does or does not exist.
    We can say, though, that God (if he exists) doesn't care a shit about being worshipped or he'd have given us a sign
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:12:46 No.353055107
    >>353048969

    OP, please define GOD, then I'll answer your question.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:13:29 No.353055192
    >>353054709
    You mean those Romans that fed Christians to their lions in the Colliseum? "The Romans" didn't do anything to change Christianity, not least because you're grouping millions of people from 1500 years together.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:14:18 No.353055279
    >>353054085
    Not sure is troll or just retarded. Then again, its pointless to debate the Holy Quran on /b/ for obvious reasons. Inherently, we worship the same god, you're a person of the book therefore if you respect us we respect you. Christianity is a corrupted faith although, Christianity is a faith that rejected the laws of God and faith in God in order to uphold the material world. Ergo, its 'new covenant' is completely false. We both believe in Jesus and various other prophets. In fact, a Christian preacher informed Muhammad that shit was about to hit the fan and that he was about to shit bricks when an angel appeared to him and had his big revelations.

    Honestly, for a simple /b/tard analysis, compare our holy histories...
    >God for thousands of years orders harsh holy laws
    >God wants society to be in his image which is through old covenant laws
    >God suddenly changes his mind
    >God now loves jewgolds and disregards his previous lawful rulings
    Ones plausible-- One isn't.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:14:26 No.353055289
    >>353054605

    Sorry man, have a degree in English lit and spent 3 years of my life studying origin of words. just get annoyed when people try to tell me "heurr durr I know what words are based on cause my single book told me"
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:14:41 No.353055320
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    >>353054916
    Possibly. The problem, for me at least, is that the contradiction is in the question rather than the proposition of omnipotence. I just think there's a better way to make the point, you know?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:15:18 No.353055393
    >>353048969
    The macro in your picture is correct. It does not answer that question. Atheism answers the question of "do you believe". It is not impossible for God to exist, but neither it is impossible for unicorns to exist. I don't believe in either.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:16:02 No.353055471
    >>353053208
    The simple notion of 'is there a god' is called a Null Argument.

    As in, No matter what happens, the final result can never be known and so even bothering is pointless.

    That's why Science is seemingly Anti-god, You can never prove of disprove god and so there is no point even bothering to ask this to start with.

    Even if every single piece of evidence ever collected pointed to god, we found God's signiture pissed in the snow at the north pole, GOD ITSELF CAME AND SAID HELLO TO US, it remains a Null Argument.

    What is known is known, what is unknown only remains so till it was known.

    That is all science deals with.

    A God that could be proven to exist would not be a god, just some alien life-form that had abilities that fully work and function under the laws of the universe. If they defy current understood laws then we simply have not got yet a full understanding of said law.

    If god was proven to Not exist then simply there was no god to start with.

    The reason God is a Null Argument is simple, if it is proven or understood then it is not supernatural and thus not god. As God is stated to be a force that operates outside of the universe, thus outside of all known operational boundaries, it can't be proven, thus evidence CAN NOT EXIST!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:16:13 No.353055496
    >>353053123
    No, you don't or you wouldn't ask that question.

    >>353053912
    >>353053912
    >>353053912
    This guy?




    Dude, go home. It's no wonder you believe what you do. This guy? Don't make me laugh. He's been destroyed countless times. Too many to count. See how intellectual he is in a debate.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:16:21 No.353055507
    >>353055279

    Er, what has this got to do with my post?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:16:41 No.353055548
    Enjoy dying of the plague without science
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:17:04 No.353055603
    >>353055507
    Herp derp, wrong post.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:17:55 No.353055696
    >>353054085
    >>353054085
    >>353054085
    Omnipotence does not grant the power to do anything logically impossible, like 'make a square circle', or 'bake a red decade'. Things like this are examples of meaningless statements.
    The statement 'God create a rock so heavy that God cannot lift it' is equally meaningless.
    Part of the definition of God, due to his omnipotence, is that there is no possible physical thing that he could not lift. If we take this as true, then by logical equivalence, part of the definition of every possible physical object is that it is liftable by God. Therefore, 'a rock so heavy that God cannot lift it' is like 'a square circle', it's just a meaningless, self-contradictory idea.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:18:05 No.353055709
    I personally think an all powerful, all knowing being would instantly kill itself from a lack of purpose. It knows the outcome of everything. Technically he couldn't even change time if he saw it because he would know that what he would do before and after he did it. He would be bored and miserable.

    You may say he may try to be evil or really good to get some enjoyment but even then he has no challenges he can face and everything would be expected. This is why I think a god is not possible.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:18:08 No.353055711
    >>353055279
    And you obviously aren't aware that the oldest Quran dates 200 years after Muhammad's death, which is the reason why it's political and religious elements are so strongly intertwined. The Quran is not a tiny bit more true or accurate than the Bible is, that's just a myth. Muhammed couldn't even read or write.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:18:23 No.353055738
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    Atheists just don't no the FAITH.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:18:43 No.353055773
    >>353049984
    This.

    Who the hell keeps making this kind of threads?
    What a waste of time.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:19:29 No.353055860
    >>353054085
    God could create a rock he could not lift

    Then lift it.

    Sorry try again
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:20:03 No.353055925
    >>353055781
    Yeah right, the quram also has a pedo protagonists, before being pedo was cool.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:20:34 No.353055975
    Which god?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:20:59 No.353056022
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    >>353055289
    I wouldn't be surprised. I've done my fair share of study though and generally I know what I'm talking about.

    >>353055496
    Why not? I mean people specifically speak of the 'presence of god' in churches (etc) over other locations and that just doesn't make sense if he's supposed to be everywhere at once.

    Also, yeah, that guy. I don't know where you're getting this 'destroyed countless times' thing from. I've seen most of what he's produced and I've only seen one debate where he didn't ream his opponent a new asshole.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:21:37 No.353056080
    >>353055781
    Yeah - just like the cavemen had pics of skeletons - proving they meet aliens who had X-rays - according to Von Derpiken.

    STFU you paki retard!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:21:59 No.353056117
    >>353055711
    You're confusing the Quran with Hadiths. Speaking of which, Muhammad could read and write quite well. The Hadiths though are up for debate to a certain extent. However, through Prophet Muhammad the Quran was written directly from the mouth of the angel Gabriel himself as opposed to the Christian Bible that was picked through and corrupted.
    >> D329ruq09awud !FV9HmOn6p6 09/12/11(Mon)11:23:01 No.353056215
    God cannot exist, and the proof is in the laws of thermodynamics.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:23:02 No.353056218
    >>353054225
    Jesus.
    Prove what he said is a lie.
    You can't

    debate over

    >>353054525
    God is objective authority. The dictionary defines just in accordance to God.
    God had a covenant with Israel. Were you around back then? Who are you to say anything?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:23:19 No.353056238
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    >>353056117

    Isn't it time to bow to your meteorite about now?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:23:29 No.353056263
    Science is overrated. It's just simple lifeforms exploring the world in 3D by trial and error with a limited reasoning capacity. We're so simple it's possible we're just too stupid to see God even though it might be in our face all the time. Like the theory about multiple dimensions being close but untouchable.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:24:10 No.353056345
    The laws of the universe does not allow for such a being to exist.

    Sure, there might be lifeforms out there in the universe that are more advanced than us, but that's it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:24:37 No.353056396
    oh look it's this time again

    is it possible for god to exist?
    an omnipotent being is a contradiction in itself

    and god died in a buff of logic
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:24:48 No.353056419
    >>353055696

    Once again, you base your definitions on what your holy book has told you rather than a true dictionary.
    And you have now opened the door by defining "God" everyone in this board is waiting for the full definition. So give it. Cause you can be sure as Gold is Gold that it will differ from 80% of the rest of the religious population
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:24:55 No.353056432
    >>353048969
    nothing can answer that question.


    what we can respond to is 'do you believe in god'

    no as in atheism is the only sensible answer
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:25:53 No.353056536
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    god is a singularity not a "being"
    >pic unrelated
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:25:59 No.353056544
    >>353056117
    Nope. Historical research has showed Mohammed didn't read or write a single document during his entire lifetime, yet suddenly years after his death there magically appears the Quran. No sensible person is buying that shit.
    >> D329ruq09awud !FV9HmOn6p6 09/12/11(Mon)11:26:51 No.353056643
    Carl Sagan points out that if the second law of thermodynamics were applied to a god, then god would necessarily have to die.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion#The_God_hypothesis
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:27:20 No.353056694
    >>353054605
    Yes you are. Please re-read your comments.

    >>353054709
    This is coming from someone who's never read the bible.

    >>353054881
    You can't think for yourself?
    Go figure. Dodge the question
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:27:40 No.353056732
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    >>353056544
    Its debated. Although, its well known that Muhammad himself precisely memorized the words of Gabriel and spoke only in revelations. Ergo, NO U.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:28:00 No.353056774
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    there is a terroist with a gun, and he has only 1 shoot
    and there are standing 4 people
    the one of these people is a muslim
    the other one of these is a christian
    the other one of these is a jew
    and the other one of these is a atheist

    wich one of these 4 people would the terrorist kill?
    the atehist
    LOLLLLLLLLL so funny man
    not
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:28:01 No.353056777
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    >>353056218
    1) 'Jesus' isn't a definition.
    2) The burden of proof is on you, not me.
    3) Where you around back then? Who are you to say anything?

    >>353056263
    Science is the best way we have for knowing anything.

    >>353056396
    You mean 'puff of logic' and you stole the line from the Hitchhiker's Guide I believe.
    >> D329ruq09awud !FV9HmOn6p6 09/12/11(Mon)11:28:25 No.353056821
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Boeing_747_gambit
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:28:38 No.353056847
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    >>353056694
    >Never read the Bible
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:29:49 No.353056978
    >>353055025
    who denied that was the discussion? the quran worships a false god. Like I said, this is frivolous, you don't know either text.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:30:13 No.353057017
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    ITT: the paki trolls are beating the derpy cunts. A smelly raghead pedo told them how it is, so you can't change their opinions or there will be now pre-teen pussy for them.
    >> D329ruq09awud !FV9HmOn6p6 09/12/11(Mon)11:30:43 No.353057077
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    Honestly what's the point of this thread though?

    Religious fanatics aren't going to lose their faith
    Atheists aren't going to gain any

    Pointless.. I'm out of this AIDS train
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:30:57 No.353057102
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    >>353056774
    I think its mutually agreed that we can set aside our differences and rage in order to kill true heathen that denies the existence of the merciful Abrahamic God.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:31:08 No.353057119
    It's not entirely impossible.
    But neither is that my cum will transform into a female model willing to do anything that I tell her.

    As you can see, the conditions of "cum becoming my perfect lover" are incredibly ridiculous; and although it IS possible to happen, the possibilities are so stupidly minuscle, that I, and the whole world can say that it will "never happen" (yet, it may; it's just unlikely).

    But comparing "cum turning into my perfect lover" to "incredibly powerful or alpowerful being coming from nothingness that always existed and created the universe for the sole purpose of having a ground in which to train cheerleaders that will praise him for eternity"; you can see that between the first and the second examples, the difference is already humungus.

    So my cum becoming a bitch is stupidly unlikely, but even compared to the possibility of the judeochristian god, it becomes very probably by comparison.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:31:09 No.353057121
    >>353056777
    Knowing anything or for knowing nothing?

    "The only thing I know, is that I know nothing" is still the only thing we can say with any degree of certainty.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:31:16 No.353057135
    Ppl so forever alone that they need to / want to belong to a certain group and represent it as if it was their family? It's like being proud of the things a country you live in did.

    A stupid human habit of categorizing everything from beliefs to living people and what/how they think.

    OP you'l get you'r answer when you die,
    Or not.
    If you just stop existing.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:32:35 No.353057259
    >>353056847
    I lulled heartily for some reason.

    Hardly ever see this meme anymore
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:33:28 No.353057339
    >>353055279
    God fulfilled the law and exposed muhammad in doing so 1000 years before muhammad was even born.

    muhammad is old news. the 'jesus' of the quran if you even want to call him that is a fabrication of a Jesus they rebuke and want nothing to do with.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:33:39 No.353057360
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    >>353056694
    Le sigh. If you were literate you'd have observed that I was pointing out that the abrahamic religions technically share a god. I wasn't in any way saying they're all the same religion.

    Of course I can think for myself but the reason I posted those diagrams first was so I wouldn't have to type out the definitions repeatedly to all the dimwitted theists who didn't know the definitions and weren't paying attention when I explained them the first time.

    Now are you going to stop wasting time or what?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:33:51 No.353057371
    >>353057017
    >Raghead Pedo
    I think we just cleared it up that Moses was rather pedophiliac as well, as during this period of time pedophilia was widely accepted. It hasn't been until recent time that pedophilia has been a no no.

    1 Samuel 15:2-4
    2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
    3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
    4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

    "....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

    "....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."

    "Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

    "A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:35:48 No.353057575
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    QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Atheists and Christians and all religious people:

    Why does it matter to you so much? Why do you both feel the need to try to convince eachother that God does or does not exist?

    I'll give you all a little advice:

    IT DOES NOT MATTER!!!!! People are going to believe what they want to believe and others are going to not believe what they don't want to believe.

    I think you should all stop being so insecure and just let it ride.

    Personally, I think there is a God. Can I prove it? No. Do I care? No. Am I uncomfortable with that? Not at all.

    Can't we all just get a bong?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:36:46 No.353057661
    >>353057575
    >Atheists are religious people

    Stopped reading, you're retarded.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:36:48 No.353057667
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    >This thread
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:37:19 No.353057721
    >>353057575
    Part of Christianity and Islam is convincing others to accept the faith.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:38:53 No.353057873
    i have one very important question for you all. why do science and religion constantly clash? i have a friend who constantly argues with me over the theory of evolution for the reason that it would mean the big bang theory is factual, yet gives me bullshit reasoning as to why.

    now, let me point some shit out.

    we know what an atom looks like, yes? a large energy filled core composed of protons and neutrons, with electrons orbiting it. the specific balance of the three make up the various elements. even with all of our technological advances, we are unable to actually see one. the atom is a theory. we've split atoms open and seen that result, but never physically seen one. to make matters more interesting, there are things the protons, neutrons and electrons are made of called quarks. we can detect what an atom is made of by exciting various parts of it and observing reactions. now, consider this. what is a quark made out of? we don't know.

    now, lets size up to our planet and system. we have 9 planets orbiting a large source of power, which, in all honesty, looks exactly like an atom. thousands upon thousands of systems with various planets made up a galaxy.

    so for those religionfags and sciencefags, consider this. if there is indeed a god, or a creator, he/she/it probably is a scientist of some sort. whatever this thing did, if it exists, has built shit way beyond our capability to even observe. from the microscopic and subatomic to the unreachable depths of space. so what i can't work out is, why can't religion accept that just maybe some of which science has discovered was actually engineered in by "god"? if this almighty being could create something so massive from pieces so small, then making them change and grow on their own must be child's play. either way, we'll probably never know
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:39:07 No.353057899
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    >>353057575
    No we can't get along. Religion poisons everything.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:39:57 No.353057989
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    Well it's time for this Shi'itefag to go, I'd just like to say to my Christfag /b/ro that it's been a real blast discussing religion on /b/ which is similar to sticking your dick into a honey and putting it into a bee hive. But I feel we can agree on one thing, that one thing being-- Atheists can DIAF.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:40:55 No.353058069
    >>353057721
    >>353057721

    But if Atheists hate all that "pushing your religion on other people" bullshit, why do they have the need to push their non-belief on other people?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:41:41 No.353058146
    >>353050432
    Gee sounds like our odds of everything falling into place perfectly by chance

    >typical atheist logic
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:41:56 No.353058179
    >>353058069
    Because stupidity should not be tolarated
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:43:03 No.353058284
    >>353056022
    God is everywhere, that doesn't mean he dwells in everything. God does not dwell in evil, that doesn't mean he's not everywhere.

    >>353056117
    there was no angel.

    >>353056777
    i've never gotten an answer from an atheist when i ask this. My point still stands. Burden of proof is on you.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:43:47 No.353058368
    atheism does not = science
    no there is no such thing as god, nor satan
    shits just there, deal with it.
    the dinosaurs where here, and now they're not.
    Humans will be gone and forgotten soon enough.
    Wasting your whole life trying to figure out the mysteries is the reason people like me are living life to its fullest with no regrets, and when your time comes, you'll have nothing but regrets for wasting so much precious time.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:44:39 No.353058465
    >>353057989
    is that not azariel the angel of death?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:44:58 No.353058498
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    >>353058069
    We don't. You don't see atheists out going door to door and waking people up on the weekends. You almost never see an atheist 'preaching' on the street. Nobody sends atheist flyers around the mailboxes.

    Even if atheists did all that, it still wouldn't be as bad as religions like christianity and islam which have spent hundreds of years killing anyone who didn't succumb.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:45:22 No.353058537
    >>353058179
    >>353058179

    Then you're a hypocrite. You are a fucking hypocrite. Atheists hate hypocrisy so fucking much but they're so hypocritical themselves.

    Holy fucking shit. You complain about logic when you don't have any as far as that goes.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:46:45 No.353058696
    >>353058537
    I rest my case
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:46:57 No.353058719
    >>353058537
    >Then you're a hypocrite

    Tu Quoque Ad Hominem fallacy; anything else?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:47:14 No.353058752
    >>353058368

    To add to my post, atheist's don't keep pushing their views on christians, posers do.
    and don't give the bullshit that christians dont do it either, look at the crusades you self centered blind fucks.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:47:55 No.353058836
    >>353058498
    >>353058498

    As soon as a discussion of religion arises you're quick to say, "HURRRRRR!!! DURRR!!!!! YOU'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS THAN I DO!!! DURRRRRR!!!!1!111oneone!!!! I'M NOT LISTENING!!!! LALALALALALALALALA!!!!!!1!111!!!!!!1!1!!!"

    It's all the same.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:47:55 No.353058838
    >>353048969
    No it is not impossible, but the concept of god is redundant.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:49:33 No.353059002
    >>353058719
    >>353058719

    But he is.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:50:04 No.353059058
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    >>353058284
    When you ask what?
    Let me give you the rules: the burden of proof is on the claimant. If you want someone to believe something, you have to supply proof that can convince them. They don't have to prove your assertions wrong. If the burden of proof wasn't on the claimant then everyone would have to believe in unicorns, smurfs and Thor simply because they haven't been disproven. I hope I made this clear.

    >>353058537
    >unfounded rage
    >stupidity
    >Looks like >>353058179 was correct.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:50:12 No.353059075
    its not up to atheists to prove the nonexistence of god, the burden of proof lies with the christians to prove the existence of god. in the lack of such proof, the conversation cannot even continue in any meaningful way.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:50:41 No.353059131
    >>353057360
    >le
    >le
    >le
    >le
    >le

    >>353057360
    >religions technically share a god
    How is this possible? Are you a relativist?

    >>353057371
    moses wasn't a pedophile. where in the bible did moses have sex with a 7 year old like muhammad did?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:51:49 No.353059285
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    >>353058836
    It's not all the same. You're stupid because you believe something without proof, not specifically because your beliefs are different from mine.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:52:20 No.353059341
    >>353059058

    >Rules
    >Made up by Atheists exclusively

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:52:32 No.353059364
    >>353057989
    Till Next Time
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:52:38 No.353059374
    >>353053413
    What's the point? We Christians give credit to God for everything. Evidence for us is seen by opening our eyes.

    That does not mean we don't believe in Science, we just understand it differently - Christians understand Science as the way things work, but give credit to God.

    Atheists understand Science as the way things work, but give credit to Nature.

    Any evidence we present will most likely be dismissed.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:54:17 No.353059544
    >>353059285
    and yet Atheist believe the same amount of things with out proof as theists you're no different than each other
    and the zealots on both side of arguments make you both look like giant Faggots
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:54:35 No.353059580
    >>353059131
    I'm talking about the relationship between the Torah, the Bible and the Koran. Each work being derivative of the preceeding work, they naturally share a lot of the same characters. When they talk about god, they are all essentially describing the same character.
    I don't understand why I've had to spend the entire thread explaining this to you. Are you really that dim?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:55:43 No.353059697
    >>353059131
    >"A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse"
    >MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations.
    Moses was a pedophile, as pedophillia was a normality. As it was a normality up until 100 years ago.

    Aisha's marriage with accepted by Christians, Pagans and others alike as NORMAL. As it was massively practiced at the time even with Christian Emperors.

    It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.

    That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.

    The difference is Moses brutally raped them after massacring all their family and that Aisha was a political marriage. Its lulzy every time Aisha is brought up.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:56:08 No.353059742
    >>353059285
    >>353059285
    >>353059285

    Why should you get to decide who's stupid? I thought Atheism was all about not being judgmental and accepting people for who they are. I'm sure you hate it when people judge you without really knowing you. I'm sure a Christfag would think you're stupid for not believing that there is a God.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:56:42 No.353059816
    >atheism does not answer the question "does god exist"
    Exactly, and neither does Christianity, however atheism says, "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:57:51 No.353059941
    >>353059697
    [citation needed]
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)11:59:25 No.353060116
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    >>353059341
    Nope. Those rules are universal amongst people who are not ridiculous. It's how courts are run for instance; innocent until proven guilty.
    Or do you actually believe in Santa and the Loch Ness Monster?

    >>353059374
    It's not a matter of 'giving credit' from an atheists point of view. Nature is what it is and does what it does. Science is the attempt to understand how it all works.
    It's silly to go around crediting a god for things when there is no evidence for any gods at all and we have perfectly good explanations for how things work and none of those explanations requires or even suggests a god.

    >>353059544
    Nope. There's nothing I believe without proof.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:59:31 No.353060130
    >>353059285
    >hurr stop believing without evidence ur stoopid
    >meanwhile has a lack of belief without proof

    Atheist General?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)11:59:56 No.353060173
    >>353059697 Aisha's marriage with accepted by Christians, Pagans and others alike as NORMAL. As it was massively practiced at the time even with Christian Emperors.

    Name one "Christian Emperor" who married a 9-year-old, please. I couldn't find evidence of a single one when I looked. If you know of just ONE, I'd be grateful for that information (more would be better, of course, but I'd settle for just one).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:00:24 No.353060223
    I have no reason to assume god does exist so that makes me and atheist. And if it did exist I still wouldnt be its puppet.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:00:32 No.353060239
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    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:01:05 No.353060296
    >>353060116
    >>353060116

    See:

    >>353059742
    >>353059742
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:02:09 No.353060404
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    >>353059742
    Atheism is not about being non-judgemental and all that. Atheism is only the lack of a belief in gods.

    Everyone gets to decide who they think is stupid. Personally I think it's stupid to believe in things that there isn't any evidence for. Especially once you grow out of that whole 'imaginary friends' phase.

    >>353060130
    You don't need proof to lack belief. See my posts above.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:02:11 No.353060410
    >>353059941
    Numbers 31:17-18; Numbers 31:35-40.; Exodus 21:7-11;
    "....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
    "....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations

    "Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

    Also a bit of historical knowledge, its well known that Moses condoned pedophilia and that it was common place up until recently.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:02:32 No.353060449
    I highly doubt there is a creature that, by itself and with no help of any sort, is able to bend the laws of nature
    so yes, it is impossible for god(s) to exist
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:02:49 No.353060478
    >>353059580
    >Each work being derivative of the preceeding work, they naturally share a lot of the same characters.

    Confirmed. You don't know anything regarding the two.
    I suggest looking into it. You'll understand why everything you're saying now makes no sense.


    >When they talk about god, they are all essentially describing the same character.
    Generalization. You need to know what you're talking about in order to say something like this. Have you compared the 2 in depth? If you haven't I understand why you think this way but you should really dive into these texts and realize how wrong you are.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:03:05 No.353060511
    >>353048969

    Not impossible, but infinitely unlikely. Now gtfo pl0x.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:04:24 No.353060683
    >>353048969
    no it's possible and there is no one definition of god therefor I wouldn't call god what u might call god...
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:04:44 No.353060715
    >>353060173
    Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century. Irene Ducaena, wife of Alexius I Comnenus, was twelve at her marriage, and empress before she was fifteen; the Byzantine princess Theodora, Manuel's niece, was in her thirteenth year when she married Baldwin III of Jerusalem; and Margaret-Maria of Hungary married Isaac II Angelus at the age of nine. Agnes's age, then, was not unusual, especially as it was customary for young engaged couples in Constantinople to be brought up together in the house of the socially superior partner.[[4]]
    Agnes was only eight on her arrival at Constantinople, while Alexius was thirteen; in fact Alexius was born on 14 September 1169

    You're right, she was 8 with the Christian Emperor.

    Not to mention, King David's likely child bridges.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:06:01 No.353060882
    >>353059697
    I asked you for scripture. You provided none.

    Instead you blabber about nothing but opinion.
    Go home troll. Moses was not a pedophile.

    Muhammad raped a 7 year old and get this. There's documentation to prove it. Muhammad is the scum of the earth.

    You lose
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:06:13 No.353060907
    >>353060116
    >explanations for how things work and none of those explanations requires or even suggests a god.
    That's the thing, right here. I could never understand what Atheists mean by this.

    I mean, what were you expecting to find? I want you to honestly answer me with this. When scientists study something, say, on the molecular level - what exactly would you expect them to find? That stuff just "magically" works? or maybe a little sign that says "God was here"?

    Honestly, implying there is no evidence because there are perfectly logical explanations for things does not rule out God exists. That's the key point.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:07:20 No.353061023
    >>353060404
    >>353060404

    That's my problem with atheism and religion alike.

    A lot of you are very judgmental. I think people would take both of you seriously if it wasn't like that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:07:47 No.353061070
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    please post the grossest monstrosities you know
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:08:11 No.353061118
    >>353060882
    >Opinion
    >Torah
    >Bible
    Surely, you're not serious. As previously said, pedophilia was a normality. It isn't an 'opinion' as its directly sourced.

    Also the pedophile comment is the lulziest comment ever for obvious reasons as previously explained. You must be an idiot.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:08:30 No.353061167
    >>353060410
    Those verses you posted only suggest virgin women, doesn't mean they were children.

    Not sure what that other stuff you posted is, though.

    Unless I'm missing something?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:13:29 No.353061700
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    >>353060478
    I mentioned three works. Learn to count.

    >>353060907
    We're well aware that having explanations doesn't rule out a god. There are two points to note here. The first is that there is no reason to believe in any god or gods. The second is that if there were a god who interfered in the world at all then we would be able to study that interference and find out more about it.

    Once again, this doesn't rule out the idea of a god who created everything in such a way that it would run without him and then left but there's not much point believing in such a god anyway, especially since we'd never find proof that it existed.

    That's why the stance of atheism is disbelief rather than a positive belief that no god exists or ever existed. Agnostic atheists accept that we don't know everything yet. It could be that god has just been hiding really well and we're only a few steps away from finding him. Until we find proof though, the only sensible stance is to disbelieve.

    I hope this clears that up for you.

    >>353061023
    Usually I keep judgement calls out of my discussion in these threads but there's only so much deliberate stupidity I can accept.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:15:24 No.353061899
    >>353061700
    >>353061700

    I'm not calling you out, but I am calling most atheistfags/religionfags out.

    Shit bothers me.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:15:47 No.353061953
    >>353059697

    Cite your sources, please. "Tannaite" rabbis? Where did this info come from, what works?

    >>353060715

    Niketas Choniates, Imperiii Isaacii Angeli, Liber 1, 4, p. 481 says that Maria (Margaret of Hungary) was in fact 10 at the time of her political marriage to the Byzantine Emperor Isaac II Angelos.

    I specified that I wanted to know of a NINE-year-old married (and who had intercourse with her husband, as Muhammad did with Aisha, according to the Hadiths). Maria's first son's birthdate was not recorded, so far as I know.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:15:57 No.353061965
    >>353061167
    Not sure if troll or just stupid. But Moses raped slave girls.
    >25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
    26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
    27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
    28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
    29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
    30. And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
    31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
    32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
    33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
    34. And threescore and one thousand asses,
    35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
    36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
    37. And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
    38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:16:42 No.353062050
    39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.
    40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)
    In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.
    The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)
    to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:17:48 No.353062148
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    >>353061899
    Fair enough. You should consider though that people are judging each other all the time regardless. It's not something that's likely to improve any time soon.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:21:56 No.353062635
    >>353061953
    Derp, she was 9 not 10. Your opinion is invalid.
    Speaking of which, Agnes of Bohemia was only 8 at the time.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:24:08 No.353062866
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    Are you guys really arguing about this one?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:26:42 No.353063127
    >>353061700
    >The first is that there is no reason to believe in any god or gods.
    There's no reason to believe any god exists if you don't believe in sin, or salvation. If one doesn't need Salvation, they don't need a god.

    >The second is that if there were a god who interfered in the world at all then we would be able to study that interference and find out more about it.
    Interference such as what? We can't exactly study events that have happened in the past, unless they occur in the present - and even then, scientifically speaking, we won't know if the conditions of such an event were the same as they were back then. Assumptions would have to be made, and that would fall under scrutiny very fast.

    To the rest of your post:
    It does not make logical sense to have a God, a perfect being and all powerful, to design a universe in such a way that he would need to be actively making it function. That's like, bronze age mechanics. My point being, don't rule out the possibility God made the universe self-sustaining.

    As I've said, the 'proof' is basically in the pudding. For those who believe, no proof is necessary, but for those who don't, no proof will ever convince them otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:27:32 No.353063206
    >>353060410

    I'm curious why you're posting and copy-pasting directly from www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/bible_supports_pedophilia_and_rape.htm as if the information there were valid.

    I really don't care about "supporting" one religion over another since they all seem equally stupid to me, nor do I care about supporting pedophilia...I'm just curious why you'd post that "Moses" raped girls when the verses don't specify Moses at all. Granted, they're repellent, but your claim isn't supported by your copypasta.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:27:41 No.353063228
    I'll bite.

    The thing for me is that, it's not about if he exists or not...it's simply that he doesn't need to.

    Science today can basically explain anything, greek and norse gods were used to explain what was happening in the world around them, IE Apollo moving the sun across the sky. Why exactly people give more credibility to stuff like Christianity I don't really understand.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:29:35 No.353063433
    >>353063206
    >Moses orders the rape of pre-teen girls along with his fellow Jews
    >Read_Between_The_Lines.jpg
    Its rather obvious.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:30:22 No.353063525
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    >>353063127
    For instance if praying for someone could actually heal them then hospitals would work completely differently and people would be studying things like which prayers were most effective at healing which diseases.

    Also I don't think you're right to say no proof will ever convince atheists. That might be true for gnostic atheists but the vast majority of us will believe what evidence indicates no matter what that happens to be.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:31:31 No.353063648
    >>353061965
    Moses never raped any 7 year olds.
    Where is the scripture specifically saying Moses raped 7 year olds like muhammad did?

    I know muslims love comparing their religion to others because it's false. what kind of 'true' religion needs to justify it's actions on 'false' ones?

    you're finished.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:32:17 No.353063744
    >>353062635 Derp, she was 9 not 10. Your opinion is invalid.

    I cited the only historical record of her given at that time, from the Byzantine historian Niketas Choniates, in his Imperiii Isaacii Angeli, Liber 1, 4, p. 481.

    He said she was ten, not nine. Your addition of Agnes of Bohemia itself specified that she was taken to be raised in the Emperor's household at 8, not married and bedded at 8.

    So far, not one single example of a "Christian Emperor" marrying and bedding (sex with) a nine-year-old, as Muhammad is said to have done by the Hadiths.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:35:03 No.353064080
    Why should we care about who made us and that he's going to send us to hell?

    That sonnofabitch god sent me to the living realm without askin me first, and then he expects me to thank him by doing stupid shit like praying and living by his rules? Fuck no, I do whatever I want, then I crawl back to my rightfull place into the dead realm.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:37:34 No.353064360
    >>353063525
    You know, that's exactly why testimonies are so powerful. I could give someone mine, specifically about my mother and how prayer DID heal her, and has continued to heal her, but one of several things will happen:

    1) They will call coincidence.
    2) They will credit medical/doctors (which can't be true in this case)
    3) They will cite cases where Prayer has not helped heal
    4) They won't believe me anyways.

    The proof is enough for me, because I have personally lived through many miracles, my mom is testimony to that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:37:46 No.353064385
    >>353063433 Its rather obvious.
    No, it's not. It's obvious that the verses refer to giving captive virgins to soldiers and to "The Lord" ...but the claim was that Moses raped little girls, and that is not supported by the verses cited.

    Your implication is solely a product of your imagination and not warranted by any historical data. Giving captive virgins to the victors was common practice in the Bible, sure. THe Bible is full of shit like that...and while it's LIKELY that many of those young virgins were raped, there is nothing in the verses to positively support the absolute claim that "Moses raped little girls"

    Again, I could give a shit less about Islam's pedophilic Muhammad or the bullshit of the Bible, I just prefer better data than your apparent standards
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:40:49 No.353064747
    >>353064360
    If you can prove that prayer healed her in a clinical/experimental environment then go for it.
    The thing is, people are quite capable of imagining all sorts of things.
    I'm sure your experience is enough to convince you but it's never going to be enough to convince other people.
    Don't you think it's suspect that every single case of 'faith healing' has taken place in a room full of people who have been indoctrinated to believe it and no case has ever been recorded in a properly scientific manner?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:41:00 No.353064765
    >>353062866
    You equate Catholicism to Jesus Christ?
    You're one of those atheists. You're just ignorant. That's all.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:42:15 No.353064895
    God is not an impossibility, just an improbability.

    Also, most "atheists" in the truest sense of the word are actually agnostic atheists. This is the most rational and logical choice, as it allows for the possibility of fallibility, but also notes that there is no evidence to religion's claim of a God's existence. Therefore, the claim should not hold any merit.

    Anyone that claims absolute knowledge is either a troll or is dumber than a sack of bricks.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:43:16 No.353064990
    >Is it impossible for God to exist?

    Depends on your definition of "God".

    For any useful definition then yes, it is impossible.

    However if you cheat and say "love" or "the natural force that created the universe" is "God" then it's obviously not impossible that it exists; however I think you've mixed up your definitions.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:43:29 No.353065016
    If OP is a candy-ass, and god hates fags, does this mean OP is doomed to eternal damnation?
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:45:31 No.353065237
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    >>353064765
    Why is it that you people insist on putting words in my mouth?
    Knocking down strawmen doesn't win you any points you know.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:46:24 No.353065323
    >>353060882
    whats that, you need proof that moses was a pedo, but no proof of the existence of god?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:48:12 No.353065541
    I STRUGLED WITH THIS UNTILL i "DEVELOPED CANCER" THEN THE WEIGHT OF THE UNIERSE FELL UPON ME
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:50:01 No.353065727
    The bible and all other religious scriptures belong in the museum of history.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:50:03 No.353065734
    >>353064747
    >If you can prove that prayer healed her in a clinical/experimental environment then go for it.
    She wasn't under a team of scientists going under rigorous testing, no. Everything that happened to her can be explained - but HIGHLY unlikely to have occurred.

    >Don't you think it's suspect that every single case of 'faith healing' has taken place in a room full of people who have been indoctrinated to believe it and no case has ever been recorded in a properly scientific manner?

    No, because you are misunderstanding several things; for one, we are not a religious people/family, we believe in God, but do not follow doctrines. We've learned on our own accord.

    Now, if the case was that my mom was NOT healed, you would use that proof against me, saying it would be suspect that a group of believers was not healed by their God. Think about it.

    Besides, as I mentioned above (and in my former post), her case was extraordinary. Doctors were baffled by the outcome, and still are each day she gets tested.

    I'll give you an example. In 2005, she went septic, which is when your body becomes poisoned. She struggled for months, constantly declining and slipping with each passing day. Of course, doctors did everything they could, but it wasn't until one night that they told me, along with the rest of my family, that she would not make it through the night. They knew this with a 99% certainty.

    We gathered around in her room, in a section of hospital I've become familiar with, as she's been there several times since then. It's the place you go to die. That night, 6 others got wheeled out, families in tears - no doubt they were praying, but to who? and with doubt, or with certainty?

    cont. below
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:50:36 No.353065790
    >>353065734

    My mom lied on a bed, chilled to the touch. She was in immense pain, and the nurses couldn't give her anything, probably had something to do with her looking like a skeleton.

    We laid our hands on her, and prayed. As soon as the prayer ended, all of us felt the warmth go from our hands into her body.

    Vital signs came up instantly. Her pain was gone within minutes. Within a half an hour, all traces of being "ill" were gone.

    She walked out of there in 3 days.

    Everything that happened that night can be explained, certainly, but the odds of it happen were to remote for anyone.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:52:28 No.353066012
    >>353065323 whats that, you need proof that moses was a pedo, but no proof of the existence of god?

    I asked for better evidence than "read between the lines" regarding "moses was a child rapist," yes.

    As for actual "proof" of God or Gods -- so far as I know, there is none.

    Proofs are hard to come by outside of math and hard liquor.
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:54:14 No.353066213
    >>353065734
    It doesn't matter how unlikely something is to happen, it still happens sometime. Heck, with the amount of people on the planet, highly unlikely things happen all the time.

    You might like to spend some time looking up other cases where people have made unlikely recoveries, it really is more common than you think.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:54:16 No.353066215
    >>353065237
    I don't think that image does what you think it does, friend.

    I know specifically what verse it's talking about, and it mentions "if she did not cry out"

    Guess what, if you don't cry for help while being rape, it's adultery, or sexual immorality, because you're fucking enjoying it. If you weren't enjoying it, you'd cry for help.

    lrn2law
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:54:33 No.353066246
    >>353049843
    No, idiot.

    To be a theist is to actively believe a God exists for no reason at all.

    To be an atheist is to not be a theist.

    'Atheism' contains but one truth claim: That there is no good reason to be a theist. Atheists are fully able to answer the question 'do deities exist?' with 'I'm not sure'.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:56:16 No.353066461
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    >>353064765

    LOL wat a stupidfag
    >> Atheist !/aKUbzt4EE 09/12/11(Mon)12:56:21 No.353066474
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    >>353066215
    I didn't make the image man. It may have missed a few details, sure, but it's largely an accurate reflection of most versions of the bible.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)12:59:25 No.353066864
    >>353065790 In 2005, she went septic, which is when your body becomes poisoned... one night that they told me, along with the rest of my family, that she would not make it through the night. They knew this with a 99% certainty.

    You then claim she miraculously recovered within hours of bacterial sepsis? After the doctors claimed she wouldn't make it through the night, with 99% certainty?

    What antibiotics was she on? If none, this would certainly be miraculous, although logic dictates that she was on massive doses and also would not find herself with "all traces of being ill" gone in A HALF-HOUR if in fact it were the case that she had massive bacterial sepsis. Her case would have been written up for Journal publication, surely...so what I'm asking is this: give more information on the hospital, treatments and any relevant journal articles written on this case study of septic recovery
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:03:34 No.353067349
    >>353066213
    So you believe in coincidences, then? or perhaps, chance? Any "highly unlikely" thing can be explained - it's not the means that were questioning, it's whose responsible.

    Call it chance, coincidence, luck.. All of these things take precedence over God for you, and it goes against the defining characteristics of a "god" even existing. I say that, because to believe in such things suggest God is too small, or not even needed, and with that, you could never believe in him.

    >>353066864
    She was on no anti-biotics, and I don't think any traces were even left in her system. As I said, the doctors told us with certainty, that there was absolutely nothing they can do.

    Hospital was at Kaiser Permanente, and as far as I know, nothing has been written about her, exception being doctors' personal logs and word-of-mouth around the hospital there, because they all know her and know her story.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:05:04 No.353067503
    >>353065790
    For every "miracle" you people report, there are 10,000 prayers that go unheard. How do you reconcile your story with those 10,000 people? How do you tell them with a straight face, "See? God is real! Just look what he did for me when my loved one was in need!"?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:06:52 No.353067669
    >>353066246
    You don't understand, many theists have reasons for believing in God. God revealing things to them for example, things happening in their lifes that there is no doubt God did it. You probably never hear about it because the Bible say Jesus said:

    "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Matthew 7:6

    Isn't this true? Telling an atheist you have gotten a sign from God is like asking for it. "God doesn't exist, delusions, you have schizofrenia, fairytales"
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:08:35 No.353067841
    >>353067503
    I actually addressed this in my post. To whom do those prayers go to? and are they with doubt, or with certainty?

    As mentioned in the various charts posted by Atheist in this thread, there are Agnostic Theists, and there are Gnostic Theists. My family would be considered the later.

    The Bible, forgive me if it offends you to use this as a "source", states that if one had faith as big as a mustard seed, we could move mountains. Those who doubt, obviously don't have any faith.

    Of course, I've had Atheists say, "so if I prayed for a new car right now would I get it?" right after I've made this response.. I don't think you'd do that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:11:25 No.353068161
    >>353067841
    So, you would, with a straight face, tell these grieving brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, and friends: "You simply didn't believe enough."

    I just want to make sure I'm following you correctly.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:12:33 No.353068290
    >>353068161
    That is exactly what I'm saying.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:13:26 No.353068382
    >>353067503

    Yep, and then you realize those "miracles" are just random chance.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:14:11 No.353068483
    >>353068161
    >>353068290
    Actually no, I would say to them: You didn't believe at all.

    You see, if you don't believe for 100%, you might as well just be praying to a tree. Doubt is a serious factor here.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:14:58 No.353068586
    >>353067669
    >>353067669
    >>353067669
    I never believed in Prophecy, but everything Jesus said fits the world to a tee.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:15:48 No.353068708
    >>353067669
    and u think havin personal revelation is a valid argument?

    Imagine the magazine "Science" publishing: Ut was personally revealed to the respectable scientist, that the dinosaurs have gone extinct due to meteorite.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:15:51 No.353068709
    >>353067349 Hospital was at Kaiser Permanente, and as far as I know, nothing has been written about her, exception being doctors' personal logs and word-of-mouth around the hospital there, because they all know her and know her story.

    Kaiser owns and operates hospitals in many states, I asked for specifics on this case, such as the actual hospital involved. If it is true that doctors there are all aware of her case, then information should be easy to come by. If you wish to provide this confidentially, my e-mail is deadman9@ausi.com. I promise you none of it will be given to or communicated in any way to any other person or persons. I'd LIKE to believe your story is true and I hope you'll allow the opportunity for independent verification.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:16:07 No.353068742
    >>353048969
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    Neither does believing.
    >inb4youmad
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:16:48 No.353068830
    >>353068290
    That's pretty heartless, don't you think?

    Not only for you, but also for your God?

    "Oh, hey, little Timmy- look I know YOU didn't have any doubts about me, but see, your brother started having doubts about me when I gave you a terminal cancer. He kinda forced my hand there, I HAD to let you die a slow and painful death before you reached age 18."
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:23:22 No.353069677
    >>353068709
    Derp, make that deadman1231@ausi.com. My apologies for any inconvenience
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:23:52 No.353069737
    >>353068708
    What I answered was:
    >To be a theist is to actively believe a God exists for no reason at all.
    Yes, I believe a personal revelation is a reason for believing God.

    Should you wait for science to come up with the conclusion God exists to start believing even if you have had 1000 revelations?

    "Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer," wrote Kansas State University biologist Scott Todd in 1999, "such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."

    The Problem Of Evidence: forbes.com/2009/02/05/evolution-evidence-religion-opinions-darwin09_0205_jonathan_wells.html
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:24:43 No.353069838
    >>353068709
    Oh, of course. It was the one in Baldwin Park, southern California. I'll email you specific details when I get them, such as the doctor's name who worked on her when she was in Critical Care. It was 6 years ago, so his name escapes me.

    >>353068830
    Heartless? You think I'd have such low compassion for people who'd say, recently lost their son? I wouldn't be so callous, but that is how it is.

    You also are misunderstanding something here. God doesn't give anyone diseases, for one.

    Secondly, it's the act of prayer that moves God to heal. With doubt, they aren't praying to God. They're thinking, "I really hope there's a God, and if there is, I hope he decides to heal this person."

    To someone with faith, they are asking God directly to heal. Ask and ye shall receive.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:27:04 No.353070133
    >>353069838
    Do you believe God is the creator of all life?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:27:57 No.353070243
    >>353048969
    >Is it impossible for God to exist?

    For some definitions of god, he is impossible for it to exist (when he logically contradicts himself). Some definitions of god, he would be impossible to demonstrate/prove (exists outside the universe). Some definitions of god simply explain him through other definitions (god is everything).

    In all of these definitions, there's no reason to believe such a thing actually exists.

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:29:51 No.353070497
    >>353069737 I believe a personal revelation is a reason for believing God.

    Glad you believe that, however, lots of madmen throughout history have committed horrendous crimes under the belief that "God" spoke personally to them. Examples recently include a mother who smashed the head of her infant son with a rock and then led her two older boys outside and did the same to them, killing the two oldest boys. She believed that God had told her the world was going to end and "she had to get her house in order," which included killing her children.

    articles.cnn.com/2004-03-29/justice/children.slain_1_deanna-laney-insanity-defense-luke-laney
    ?_s=PM:LAW

    My point is this: is her "personal revelation" just as valid as yours?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:31:58 No.353070744
    >>353070133
    Yes, and that he's the creator of the entire universe.

    >>353069677
    Just emailed you.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:33:51 No.353070957
    >>353070497
    Different anon.
    Compare their testimony to the bible. And you will know why it's false.

    Anyone can say God told them anything? You will blindly believe them? If so you lack knowledge. You go to their source and see if it ties in.
    >inb4 old testament
    Jesus came to fulfill the law. If you don't know what fulfill means or why the laws that Israelites followed are not followed anymore read the New Testament. You ask questions, you have answers. Will you find the answers?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:35:11 No.353071100
    >>353069838 God doesn't give anyone diseases, for one

    That would be contradictory to the Bible, where God himself does in fact bring disease, famine and plagues (of various sorts) to people. Did God's nature suddenly change?

    That would be odd, because God is said to be immutable, unchanging and it's simply a fact that the god of the bible not only visits disease upon people, but also directly orders the deaths of innocents that could not possibly have done evil, including mere babies too young to have done anything to offend any Gods, since they could not speak.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:37:44 No.353071396
    >>353050209
    You're right. There is no inbetween. Agnostic is not some middle ground. Belief in god is binary. You either believe or you don't.

    However, agnosticism is still something that exists. Agnosticism is a stance on knowledge, not on faith.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:39:37 No.353071630
    >>353071100

    that's the old testament bro, it's well acknowledged by christianity that in the old testament was a vengeful god, but in the new one he was more loving
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:39:50 No.353071647
    >>353071100
    All of that you mentioned is the result of his commands being disobeyed or rebellion against Him. God didn't give those diseases/famine/etc to people for the hell of it, there was a reason.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:40:25 No.353071711
    >>353071630
    So God isn't a perfect being then.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:40:32 No.353071726
    >>353070744
    Then he also created the bacteria/viruses we know as disease. He also made the free radicals that cause cancers.

    Now, either he was unaware that those things would affect men in such a way (in which case he's not actually omnipotent/ omniscient) or he did know, and he does give people diseases, if simply for the fact that he CREATED them.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:41:09 No.353071799
    >>353071396
    Yay, I'm glad at least one person gets that distinction. I've had even atheists try to argue that one with me, despite Huxley's clear statements when coining the term.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:44:18 No.353072181
    >>353071726
    God designed everything in this Universe. Everything eventually would be a direct result of Him creating such a Universe, however, it wasn't until the fall of man that any of such things arrived. Death brought the first bacteria, just as sexually immorality brought on the first STDs.

    He created the Universe, designed all within it, so yes, he 'created', or designed, bacteria/viruses. Aware? Yes.

    Hands it out like candy on a daily basis? No.
    Diseases can be prevented.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:45:10 No.353072266
    >>353071647 God didn't give those diseases/famine/etc to people for the hell of it, there was a reason.
    I don't care if "there was a reason" cited in the Bible as justification...what was claimed was that GOD DOES NOT GIVE PEOPLE DISEASE...and that is false, as per the Bible.

    People may have sinned, but the MANNER of punishment was the choice of God..and the Bible says God brought them disease...thus, the choice of punishments was God's.

    Whether this was the God of the OT or not is irrelevant, since God is said to be immutable and eternally unchanging, as all "good" gods should be, I suppose.

    I notice also that the issue of innocent children being ORDERED killed by god IN the Bible went unremarked, which is kinda funny to me.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:46:35 No.353072420
    >>353071630
    There is no difference between God of the old and new testament.

    God was just in the Old Testament because no one listened to them even though he was merciful and gave people hundreds of chances.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:46:56 No.353072452
    people keep arguing over whether god exists
    no one ever bothers to define what god is
    most people are probably going by different definitions
    most of said definitions probably only define what god is not and not what god is and are thus, by definition, not definitions
    most other definitions are probably vague, fuzzy ideas that can better be described by another word such as "the universe", and render the word "god" meaningless
    and the rest are most likely logical contradictions
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:49:17 No.353072560
    >>353049286
    This.
    I'm outta here.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:50:00 No.353072668
    >>353072181
    then prevent the common co- oh wait.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:50:01 No.353072672
    >>353070497
    According to the Bible God isn't the only force controlling this world. If you don't believe in Satan or any evil force I don't know how I'm gonna convince you, watch this maybe:

    www.godtube.com/watch/?v=DWW77WNX

    (Muslim praying for bad things to happen to people and it does.)
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:50:10 No.353072681
    >>353072181
    You're contradicting yourself now. If he created disease, and was aware of what he was creating, then he is the cause of all disease/viruses/ cancers ever gotten in the world.

    This would be like me crafting a super flu and then releasing it into the population. I may not have physically injected it into any one person, but I made the disease.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:50:17 No.353072698
    >>353072420 God was just in the Old Testament because no one listened to them even though he was merciful and gave people hundreds of chances

    False, there is nothing to indicate Biblically that God gave the Amorite or Amalekite children "hundreds of chances" ...he simply allowed or ordered them to die due to the sins of their parents, although the bible also says that children are not to be blamed for the sins of the fathers (parents).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:51:01 No.353072764
    >>353072668
    >implying you can't
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:51:30 No.353072814
    >>353048969
    Yes
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:52:38 No.353072857
    >>353072681
    No contradiction was made. I don't deny he designed them, so in a sense, yea, He created them, but you gotta understand that God isn't the only force influencing this world.

    I don't understand why people blame all the bad on God when Satan isn't even addressed.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:53:03 No.353072867
    >>353072672 According to the Bible God isn't the only force controlling this world.

    According to the Bible, God is all-powerful, all-loving, all-good and omniscient. If god allows evil to exist and prey on his creation as you indicate, what does this say about God?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:53:21 No.353072900
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    You cant describe the system from within the system itself, deal with it.
    Also, how many gods are actually in the bible? God? The Father? The Holy Ghost?
    And how many speaking donkeys can one religion hold?
    Also - why is THIS religion the correct one? There are so many others, more well thought out and that has better scriptures.
    You need a bible to define your moral basis? candy-asss
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:54:55 No.353073057
    OH LAWD! Someone is wrong on the internet! This cannot stand.

    Atheism does answer the question "Does God exist". At least it does for the agnostic atheist: No, God does not exist - it is impossible for him to exist. The gnostic atheist simply argues, there is no possible way to say wether God exists or not. Still: He doesn't believe he does.

    I myself am an agnostic atheist. The thought of a benevolent beeing, which is all powerfull and all knowing, while forcing a set of arbitrary rules upon us to reach salvation, does not make sense in my opinion.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:55:16 No.353073104
    >>353072900
    This post was equally blasphemous as it was humorous, 5/10. Good show, lad.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:55:58 No.353073177
    clearly, those who wrote the bible (yes, plural) didn't care too much about keeping the continuity of the plot coherent.

    But I never blame the bible for it, I just blame the dumb people that actually beleave in it literally.

    The bible can be seen at best as a metaphor of human experience, and at worse a loose collection of fairy tales for sadomasochism lovers.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:56:31 No.353073231
    >>353072681
    That's like saying God killed 6 millions jews.
    That analogy makes no sense.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)13:58:14 No.353073408
    >>353072867
    Free Will
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:00:19 No.353073623
    >>353072857
    God created ALL life. This includes all of the angels. This includes lucifer. So again, using the same logic. God is the cause of all of the bad in the world, at the very least- indirectly. Which is utter bullshit because if he's God, He could put a stop to all of it without even applying any effort.

    So, similar metaphor. This time, I make a robot. This robot eventually goes berserk, defies me, and actually goes so far as to create a super flu and release it into the public. Now, sense I'm his creator, I actually have access to his "brain" remotely. I can end his rampage at any time, but I decide to let it go on.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:00:19 No.353073625
    SHUT UP! STUPID RELIGIOUS PEOPLE

    For the ones who believes in some white bearded man, the white bearded man exist. Even though he's just imagination.

    For the ones that doesn't believe in "God", he doesn't exist...

    God is only for insecure people with nothing to rely on.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:01:51 No.353073788
    >>353072867
    If God is unchanging and has given authority to Satan deciding not to take it back maybe he has to wait to save as many people as possible before he can destroy Satan.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:01:58 No.353073805
    >>353073625
    YES PLEACE
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:03:59 No.353074048
    >>353073057
    samefag here

    In my opinion all religion comes from basically two desires of man.
    1. The desire to feel safe
    2. The desire for answers

    Elaborating on no. 1: A feeling of safety is something most of us felt, when we where children. Wether it was our father, our mother or both our parents: The took responsibilty for our actions, the held us, defended us, thought for us and so on. They guided us through life. How better to feel safe and cared for, while not having to take responsibility, than to believe in an all powerfull beeing with parental traits (as seen from a childs view)

    2: There are things in life we are (yet) unable to explain. Declaring it a miracle or "the work of God", which we just cannot fathom is an easy way out of this dilemma.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:05:35 No.353074222
    >>353073231
    Oh, no, that would be so UNLIKE God...

    He would NEVER slaughter a bunch of innocent people. EVER.

    No, in this case, he merely created a man, and then let him do it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/11(Mon)14:06:21 No.353074311
    >>353073623
    So, now it's an issue of free will? You aren't exactly giving a good analogy either. God still was very precise about his commandments, disobeying them would bring consequences. For example, the Bible mentions specific kinds of meat to eat - that of the split-hoof animal. Back then, no one understand why, but they accepted it. Those who didn't, ate the meat of a non-split-hoof animal that didn't chew grass, and were punished. With disease.

    Today, this is explained because the non-split hoof animals that don't chew grass carry pathogens specifically targeting Humans.

    God warned, people didn't listen, consequence followed.



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