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Anonymous
Hey /trv/,

I wish to emigrate from the sinking ship that is Britain in a few years. I have narrowed down the destination to two countrys, Norway and New Zealand.

I am a young white male with a first in Computer Science. I should be able to get into New Zealand easily as there is a huge demand for IT workers. I should be able to get into Norway too and i have family there, but i would have to learn the language.

Of the two countrys which would /trv/ recommend? If anyone lives in either, please give advice and any useful information.
>> Anonymous
I'd recommend New Zealand to you. You got no language barrier, which is great. (You might think it's rather dull, but it's better if you seriously want to live there, trust me.)

And I like New Zealand. I admit I like Norway too, but New Zealand is something else.
>> Anonymous
>>31154
I'm not looking for action filled night life(obviously). I'm looking for a friendly country, good hiking terrain, somewhere i can eventually buy a house with a good bit of land attached to it and so forth. I just want to get away from the smelly cities, mass consumerism and crowded living but still have access to western goods. New Zealand does seem to fit the bill, not perfect but much nicer than the UK.
>> synonymous annonymous !MIATAd3a66
Nice boat.
>> Anonymous
New Zealand people have a weird accent
>> Anonymous
lol Ireland
>> Anonymous
I knew a couple that moved to New Zealand a few years back. They had a blog going during their first year or so, but I haven't read it or talked to them since then, so I dunno if they're still loving it now that they're settled in. Still, it sounds nice.
>> Anonymous
Definitely New Zealand. Their emigration policies are much better. I don't think Norway is even part of Schengen.
>> Anonymous
> I don't think Norway is even part of Schengen.

It is. I'm an amerifag who is trying to move to another country also, i'm thinking one of the scandinavian countries.
>> Anonymous
Yes, New Zealand, where it's not fucking freezing 7 months of the year. And if you go scuba diving you don't actually need a dry suit. And you can see colourful fish! It's a bit isolated and small although. And net connections suck there due to the isolation.
>> Anonymous
>>31188

Quotud fah truth. Also, my beloved home country has very limited in the way of IT jobs outside the capital, Wellington and Auckland.

I believe the quality of life here is amazing, especially in comparison to Australia, but when it comes to wages, across the ditch (and maybe even Norway) would be better.

Living in Christchurch (South Island), there's not a lot to do and even less further south in Dunedin. Wellington has a lot going for it but is just as cold as the South Island but even windier. Auckland is difficult to get around unless you live close to work.

Oh, we also go batshit crazy for you Brits and your sexy accents.
>> Anonymous
Leave Britain as soon as you can. Good luck brother and dodge the bloody religion of peace on the way out.
>> Anonymous
Better weather in NZ. I'm a swefag, but with family that moved to Norway. Thay have something called Jante (so do we, but it's WAAY bigger in norway. Seriously. Even in the cities. You get away from it in the cities in sweden...) Basically, Jante says "who are you to come here and think you are anyone? know your place!" Sound friendly? Not really... Scandinavians are very isolated, compared to almost every other nationality. Norwegians even more then swedes. Success is viewed with caution, as it prolly means your criminal in some way. If you have money, you deserve peoples dislike. If you want money, then your evil. See point above. and you can't ever proove your better then anyone, no matter what you do. Cuz you aint from there, and you prolly have ambition. Ambition scares scandinavians.
>> Anonymous
>>31671
Congratulations, I now hate Scandinavians.
>> Anonymous
>>31341
And big angry niggersquids.
>> Anonymous
>>31153
>I wish to emigrate from the sinking ship that is Britain in a few years.

You too, eh?

It seems more and more of us are reaching this conclusion. It's re-assuring to know that I'm not the only one who sees it. I don't know how they aim to keep ANYONE skilled at this rate.

We chose very different destinations, but good luck, friend.
>> Anonymous
Norway's ranked 2 best place to live in (next to Iceland), Wage is high, beutiful nature and cool culture.. People are mostly friendly and good looking.. And there's plenty of "cheap" land on the contryside. If you're educated white then you should have no problem getting a well paid job.. But Oslo, the capital sucks, rest is great
>> Anonymous
>>31671
Bollocks! I have live in norway for almost a year, and never have i meet a more open and friendly people, they are however, more careful with people of other "colors". Been to Oslo once.. Sad and ugly place.. Trondheim is great and so is Tromso
>> Anonymous
So what exactly is so fucked up with England?

Amerifag here. I was in London for 1 day last Fall and saw too many ragheads and shit than I care to recall. Also, shit was expensive as all hell and I live in one of the most expensive places to live in the US.
>> Anonymous
Oh boy just what NZ needs more whining English.
>> Anonymous
>>31830
We live under an overbearing nanny state that picks away at our freedoms and seeks to control every facet of our lives, the citizenry as a whole is woefully ignorant and completely in the pocket of the media, there's a whole generation of brutish and ugly working class lashing out because they have no future and house prices are sky rocketing so much that it's almost impossible to get on the property ladder. The nation is a miserable black hole of apathy and hate.

I have been considering malta myself because it's warm, I wouldn't have to learn a new language and they love the english.
>> Anonymous
>>31671
You only think that because all scandinavian countries despise sweden,
>> Anonymous
>>31877

Malta seems like a nice place to live. Safe. Warm. European. Way too crowded for my tastes (population density of 3,322 per square mile) and I have heard of some weird shit going on there, but other than that and the illegal immigration problem, not a bad place to settle.

Going back to New Zealand, word on the street is that it's becoming a shithole. Violent crime is up. Robberies are on the rise. And people are fleeing back to Oz and the UK looking for better opportunities and more excitement. Truth? No idea, but it's what I heard. Good luck.
>> Anonymous
Amerifag here... think I could get a job as an electrician in NZ?
I've got 7 years experience in residential, commercial and remodel. No licensing yet though.

I understand everyone will hate me because of where I'm from, but I'm quiet and pretty educated. I think I'd get by ok. I even want to start watching rugby.
>> anon
>>31920

what kind of weird shit are you talking about?
>> Anonymous
>>31816


>>And there's plenty of "cheap" land on the contryside

enjoy spening your free time driving between the Esso and the Shell service station in the village
>> Anonymous
>>31936

Another Amerifag here. According to the Long Term Skill Shortage list from Immigration New Zealand, they do need electricians down there. However, since job market is an issue, I guess only a Kiwi can answer for certain. I can tell you this, though, so-called trade occupations are needed everywhere, but your chances are much better if you are licensed, belong to an union, and/or have some sort of certification that proves you are damn good at what you do. Good luck, mate.
>> Anonymous
>>31938

Mostly religious and supersticious in nature. Witches and evil eye kind of thing. Strange rituals to ward off evil. Creepy festivals in honor of patron saints. The island is predominantly Roman Catholic, so religion rules almost everything, even the usual everyday stuff. Nothing to get worried about, I guess, but it's there.
>> Anonymous
Kiwifag reporting in.

>> Going back to New Zealand, word on the street is that it's becoming a shithole. Violent crime is up. Robberies are on the rise. And people are fleeing back to Oz and the UK looking for better opportunities and more excitement. Truth? No idea, but it's what I heard. Good luck.

Okay, the negatives about NZ...

I would be reluctant to say that NZ is turning to shit. We've been riding a long economic high, and have had a recent dip. Whether or not this leads to a recession, depression, or even if GDP bounces back this quarter - nobody can tell you.

Violent crime: always been at the forefront of NZ news but I, nor my friends have never experienced it. Xenophobia and cultural misconceptions run rife but are never in your face (this is my #1 issue with NZ).

#2 is tall-poppy syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy) - it varies from person to person and can range from very stoic 'fuck offs' to whispering behind your back. In case you hadn't picked up yet, we're passive-aggressive.

As for citizens going back home, I lived in Australia and have had many fellow Kiwis head home from Oz for the same reasons. This kind of thing is mere speculation and, of course, anecdotal evidence should be treated as second rate information. :P

Does anyone else have any hesitations? I'm trying to paint a holistic view of my country as best possible, and hopefully an unbiased one. But don't get me wrong, I love it here and would love it more if I could find the right job.
>> Anonymous
Kiwifag 2.0

>>31936

As an American, you will probably face a bit of social stigma as a lot of Kiwis (and others) cannot separate the bad from the good. The bad being your government, and the good being your citizens. My advice to make your life easier would be to say that you're Canadian. Obviously this won't apply for people you want to develop meaningful relationships with.

If you're between 18-30, you can get in on the Working Holiday Visa Scheme.

Otherwise, you're eligible for a Work to Live Visa as an electrician. You are on the long-term supply shortage list. You can get in if you have a job offer and are registered by the NZ Electrical Workers Registration Board. A quick view of the "overseas" part of the website reveals that if you have a "certificate of completion", that life will be easier (doesn't even have to be officially recognised certificate, just one stamped by a notary). Otherwise you will have extra rounds in the interview process. 7 years experience should be ample though, so chin up!

For more information, head on over to the Immigration NZ website at http://www.immigration.govt.nz - it's relatively straightforward and certainly less of a navigation nightmare than the USIC website!
>> Anonymous
>>32030

>tall-poppy syndrome

From what I hear, it's pretty much, NZ's version of Japan's "The nail that sticks out is hammered down". Keeps popping up every time I look for info on New Zealand, so I'll just go ahead and ask, is it really that bad, or just another unique Kiwi trait that people like to point out? Is not like it makes the country more or less attractive, but wouldn't mind knowing. From an Amerifag, thanks for painting a rather unbiased picture of today's New Zealand.
>> Anonymous
This thread depresses me.

My best case scenario is getting my useless degree from a fourth-rate university next year.

Britland is beginning to depress me as well, however I doubt I could afford to leave it.

Then there's the whole lonely Anonymous thing.

Fuck.
>> Anonymous
>>32135
All you need to leave britFag land is a plane ticket, a short stay visa, a degree in a worthwhile subject(Read: Science, Arts majors need not apply), a few months in living expenses(£3k should be enough if you're frugal, unless your going to Scandinavia!) and most importantly some balls. As soon as you get to your new country you have to check into a cheap hotel and start applying to jobs, any job will do(in your relevant field) as long as they will sponsor a work visa/perm resident visa. Get a Postal box or make a friend so you can put them down as your postal address. Get a lodgers room with someone as soon as possible, it will be the cheapest way to have a fixed address, you will make friends and they can support your visa application. Don't buy any crap or do any tourist things until you have a job and are well settled, the minute you run out of money you're out of there.
Once you are settled after a year or two with some work experience in that country and hopefully some savings you can start looking for a new job and then a place of your own. After so many years working in that country you can get full citizenship. A nice feeling to know you have earned the title of citizen and got out of the shit hole that is Britain by your own efforts unlike the people that got in.
>> Anonymous
>>32153

This is basically my plan. I have 2 more years of my degree left (Bsc Computing) then I'm getting the fuck out of here. Was thinking about Japan or South Korea.
>> Anonymous
>>32153
>useless degree

BA Applied languages, lol.

D:
>> Anonymous
>>32177
Owned. I guess you might be able to teach something, but otherwise enjoy your waste of money.
>> Anonymous
Oh Christ, not teaching. Fucking both my parents were teachers, and I'd hate to do all the shit they have to go through.
>> Anonymous
>>32180
Well then you're fucked, enjoy whatever sinking ship you live on.
>> Anonymous
>>32180
I'd never want to teach in the UK or the US, those kids are a lost cause really. Asian countries are fine though. I'd have no problem teaching at a university... oh wait i'm on 4chan ;_;
>> Anonymous
>>32185
>Asian countries are fine though

you've never traveled through and around asia, have you?
>> Anonymous
>>31153
New Zealand. We have a problem with hoodlum Polynesians but it is nowhere as bad as the Moslem invasion in Norway. You'll do fine here.
>> Anonymous
>>31816
>Norway
>People are mostly friendly

Does not compute.

Norwegians are cliquey xenophobic social recluses. "Friendly"? Hardly.
>> Anonymous
Oh well, at least I'll have functional Japanese by the end of it
>> Anonymous
>>32185
Dude, a lot of Japanese schoolkids are fucking assholes who don't give a flying fuck and have never been taught discipline because the teachers don't want to exert their power over them. Especially since if you show up to school you're basically guaranteed to pass even if you do nothing all day.
>> Anonymous
>>32110

Tall poppy isn't nearly as bad as I make it out to be, but I'm preparing you for the worse. There's some real ignorant fucks out there, but you don't need to worry about treading on our toes by simply BEING American.

If you can be a bit self deprecating and not get defensive if someone says something like 'luul I herd u like Bush', then you'll do swimmingly.

Is anyone thinking of making Christchurch a destination?
>> Anonymous
yes please come to nz we need some WHITE immigrants to balance out the fucking yellow and black trash. as for the guy who asked about being an electrician theres a big shortage of tradesmen so you could make an ok wage as a sparky, atm in auckland the construction boom's just tailing off so theres lots of work around. Houses are FUCKING EXPENSIVE especially in auckland. I wouldnt really recommend auckland on the whole its polluted, bloated, full of disrespectful asian immigrants yet theres still nothing to do, wellington and dunedin are much nicer or even go somewhere like hawkes bay where its nice and warm in the summer ill post more things as i think of them or ask some more questions you will be welcome anyway british people are our friends yanks fit in ok
>> Anonymous
>>32543
Fuck, I seriously want to come back to NZ ><

I loved the time over there... What are the chances for experienced entrepreteneurs over there?
>> Anonymous
>>32551
I think you need at least NZ$2.5m to invest and NZ$1m settlement funds if your coming as an investor. Not sure about starting a business, but you need 'suitable funds' and experience.
>> Anonymous
>>32543

That's called colour, you shit. It disappoints me when NZers get their most xenophobic.

~BREAKING NEWS~: YOU HAVE NO CLAIM TO WHITE NZ, IT'S LIKE 150 YEARS OLD, fucking guai lo.
>> Anonymous
>>32839

Shouldn't that be "gwai lo"?
>> Anonymous
>>32844
Different romanization systems I believe.
>> Completely Different Amerifag Here Anonymous
Once I finish my bachelor's (chemistry/biochem) in a few years, I'm thinking about heading to Canada or Ireland. It's not for HURRDURRBUSHSUX reasons, it's that, to paraphrase a space pirate, this place's economy is going down the tuuuuuuubes. I picked Canada because I live half a day's travel from Quebec and Nova Scotia. Ireland gets consideration because of the "Celtic Tiger" phenomenon and my mick ancestry. Any suggestions on which one?
>> Anonymous
>>32854
I dunno ireland is seeing some economice woes as of late a lot of people are having a hard time finding jobs and scores of small businesses are struggling if not closing in every town. Canada on the other hand has always been win especially in the atlantic and British Columbia provinces.
>> Anonymous
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Salutations /trv/, I live in the United States (also a citizen) and I've noticed that in the prior 20+ years this country has become a silent police state. Or, nanny state as the British would call theirs. I
've been doing some research and I've come to the conclusion that my best bet to keep my political freedom, I have to move out.

These two threads touch upon the subject:
>>31850
>>31153

No doubt this type of atmosphere is growing. But my idea is not that my destination shouldn't be "a nice country" I want to live in a country that is free. Where the elected officials would get impeached for grievous offenses.

As noted in earlier threads, the Scandinavian countries and OZ/NZ seem like citizen-friendly places to live. But I've been thinking of other places as well.
Countries such as Canada, and perhaps some South American countries.

My main criteria is that the countries should be socialist and perhaps more importantly, pro-education.

Also if such a place doesn't exist then my bad.
( I am El Salvadorian and Spanish decent)
>> Anonymous
Recently, I've been broaching this subject with other Brits, and we all seem to be of the same opinion.

At least that's one thing to have faith in, I suppose.
>> Anonymous
Hey where is that picture taken?
>> Anonymous
>>33831
dat looks to me like sum milford sound