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Hi /trv/, I'm an American who wants to move to Europe very soon (in b4 shitposting), but I'm in a bind as for what country would be best to live in. I want to live in a country that has relatively few Christfags and good cities.

Any suggestions?
>> Anonymous
Sweden is notorious for having the lowest number of Christfags in Europe, and the cities are absolutely stunning. I'd have to recommend you move to Sweden.
>> Anonymous
>>9429
Sweden is also fucking expensive too. Any Scandanavian country is.

Come to the Netherlands.
>> Anonymous
if youre going to be living in a city then dont worry about the religion thing.
>> Anonymous
>>9432

long cold winter, not much daylight, though summer would be nice in Sweden

I would say move to holland, probably a whole heap of christfags but they are pretty laid back about it
>> Anonymous
Don't move to Portugal, Spain, Italy or Greece if you want to be away from Christfags. Those four particular countries may have nice weather, but are positively RIFE with Christfags. Generally, the further north you venture, the better of a country it is to live in.-
>> Anonymous
Come to the UK!~

Actually, don't. If you somehow end up in this country then for god's sake man get out of there as fast as you can.
>> Anonymous
France has a low number of Christfags, higher number of athiests/agnotics, and has world class cities.

Even if you are one of those "the French are fags" kind of Amerifags, our country still more than suits what you are looking for.
>> Anonymous
There are no Christfags in Europe
>> Anonymous
>>9444

There are no real cities in France, only farms. They don't even have a real language.
>> Anonymous
>>9460

So true. They don't even exist in fact. It's a nazijew conspiracy
>> Anonymous
>>9436
>long cold winter

Not anymore. Lol climate change.
>> Anonymous
>>9436

No, we don't have many christfags anymore.

As foor 'good' cities: what is a good city anyway? Whatever it is, I'm sure Amsterdam is one.
>> Anonymous
>>9474
doesn't count, americans don't believe in global warming
>> Anonymous
Something you may be unaware of, is that many european cities are riddled with muslimfags, wich is way worse than christfags. In Brussels, Den Haag, Rotterdam, Malmo, Oslo, Copenhagen and Paris, there are as high as 50% of the population under 25 is muslim (highest percentage in Rotterdam and the Hague I believe.)

If I had MY choice of Northern European cities I'd pick a town in Flanders like Brugges or Ghent. Otherwise, Vienna or Prague in central Europe.
>> Anonymous
Paris has more black people than Africa
>> Anonymous
>>9480
Eeeeeh.. what?
>> Anonymous
>>9480
Yep. Even Christfags won't kill their own daughters and protest comic books.
>> Anonymous
>>9500
It's true

Big cities = IMMIGUNTS EVERWHARR
>> Anonymous
I hear Estonia has the most atheists and agnostics of any country in Europe. But who could believe in a god if they lived in Estonia, srsly?
>> Anonymous
>>9429
>Sweden is notorious for having the lowest number of Christfags in Europe, and the cities are absolutely stunning. I'd have to recommend you move to Sweden.

Alternatively:

>Sweden is notorious for having the lowest number of Christfags in Europe, and the chicks are absolutely stunning. I'd seriously to recommend you move to Sweden.
What languages does OP speak?
>> Anonymous
>>9519
OP here, I speak English, but I'm willing to learn the language of any country I do move to.
>> Anonymous
>>9518
Living in any country that used to be a part of the Soviet Union is not a good idea.

Come to Finland, learn to drink like a man.
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country
>> Anonymous
>>9522
Swedish is easy to learn, move there.
>> Anonymous
France is the best country if you don't want to be bothered about religious matters. A good half of the people are complete atheists and nobody ever talks about religion.
There is also a high number of charming and interesting cities (not just Paris), each in its own way (Rouen, Strasbourg, Avignon ...).
Plus, the central position and top-notch trains make visiting the rest of Western Europe easy. And they have the highest life expectancy.
>> Anonymous
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Irreligion_statistics_by_country.png
>> Anonymous
>>9526
The Christianity percentage map doesn't seem to be correct. Over 80% of Finns are Evangelical Lutherans.
>> Anonymous
>>9444
>>9564
>France

In before youth riots
>> Anonymous
>>9646
>In before youth riots

lol no, they only happen in shitty suburbs where most of the population is poor and unemployment is rampant(hence the riots). There's no reason to go there, unless you live there.
I was in Paris at the time and wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the media.
>> Anonymous
>>9426
Finland! Finland!
>> Anonymous
Spain - you can't go wrong with any city here (of course, Madrid + Barcelona are especially amazing), and while it is a rather Catholic country, it is more in a "historical" sense, and people are still among the most liberal and tolerant/irreligious in the world.
>> Anonymous
Norway.
They hate religion. (black metal anyone?)
I know a guy you should get into contact with,
his name is Varg Vikernes
>> Anonymous
>>9772
Norway's cost of living is far too high.
>> Anonymous
come to switzerland .. get a job here, and prices are no prob. We got german, french & italian speking peoples in different parts of the country, the only seriuos christfags are like 70 years old and the cities are really pleasant.
>> Anonymous
Let me just say, OP. If you do move to Europe DO NOT move to the capitcal city of any country. It will be riddled with tourists and Europeans who wish they were American. Don't make the same mistake I did and move to a lesser known city or even a remote village on a farm.
>> Anonymous
>>9480
anon writes truth. wienna, prague, budapest...
but, germany is ideal for op. you can drink the water, not too many immigrants. but, the south has christfags and the northerners aren't friendly. either way, german's won't bother you, the language is easy to learn (tho boring), and shit tons of people speak english because the german state does everything REALLY efficiently (school, social services, insurance) nowadays and pretty much always has.

>>9913
don't listen to this anon unless you are moving to a country where you speak the language already. assimilating into a new culture in the manner he says is the mistake. instead, move to a big city (the three stated above, or hamburg/berlin for germany) to learn the ways of the people and the language, THEN when you decide you want to make a life there, move to a villiage.
>> Anonymous
i've only been to a few cities in netherlands, but amsterdam is the only one i'd ever consider living in. they're even cleaning up the red-light district by hiding the sex-shops.

also: weed is basically legal. so there's that.
>> Anonymous
ITT it's amazing how many people deny or are unaware their countries are totally overrun with immigrants. It just shows they must never leave their suburban enclaves.
>> Anonymous
If you want to avoid christfags, just stay the fuck away from Italy (atheist italifag here)
And probably it's best to do a tour around Europe to see which country may be the best for you before actually moving in.
And I agree to avoid capital cities. Too much immigrants and tourists, they're more international than really european.
>> Anonymous
>>9923
very very true, but the only countries without immigrants are the countries that are hard to get into, like socialist or over-populated places.

beggers can't be choosers. either stay in your homeland or become an immigrant in a country that has some immigrants. know waht parts of what cities to avoid.
>> Anonymous
>>9646
>>9648

VIVA LE RACAILLE!!
>> Anonymous
I think any country in Europe, leaving out anything East of Germany, is not as fascist about religion as the USA is.
Of course it varies from Portugal to Finland, but overall you shouldn't make this a major point for you to decide where you want to move.
Apart from that, it's totally up to your own preferance. You can make a good living in any European country.
>> Anonymous
>>9446
Yeah I heard Rome couldn't give a shit about Christianity.
>> Anonymous
>>9480
bruges? only if op is retarded or retired
>> Anonymous
PROTIP: If you are emigrating to a country, it's stupid to baw about the immigrant population there.
>> Anonymous
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>>9426
Here you go, OP.
>> Anonymous
>>9971
well, sort of reflects how developed a country is is most cases - excluding some failed ex-commie nations.

also, apparently mainland turkey and thrace are now different countries.
>> Anonymous
>>9971
Not that reflective. There are many countries that have no data.
>> Anonymous
>>9971
Holy shit, Amerikkkans are holier than the Pope.
>> Anonymous
OP here.

I honestly don't care about being around immigrants. I live in a city rife with them and it's not like I'm not used to them as it is. I just want to live in a place that has few Christfags, a nice standard of living, and maybe some good food if possible.
>> Anonymous
>>10150
How are you planning on paying for this and how will you get a visa?
>> Anonymous
have you considered NEW Mexico? I hear they got it right this time
>> Anonymous
Why would you rather be around Muslims than Christfags? Muslims are all scum bag terrorists whiile Christfags might try to convert you...
>> Anonymous
"While it may be true--and probably is--that not all Muslims are terrorists, it also happens to be true that nearly all terrorists are Muslim."
>> Anonymous
>>10259
>>10260

lol be more tolerant towrads people, even if there terrorists
>> Anonymous
Denmark, Sweden, Chzech Republic, United Kingdom...
All great places.
>> Anonymous
Turkey has very few Christfags, go there.
>> Anonymous
Switzerland is propably the best place to live in in all of Europe, which pegs it pretty damn high on world standards too. The thing is, though, you'll be paying out of your arse to live there too. Austria could be a good option too.
>> Anonymous
NOT Italy. Christfags run this place.
>> Anonymous
>>10279

No ONE runs Italy. LOL, but seriously Italy is f-ing crazy. Its wonderful they eat and drink better than anywhere else but nothing there works for sh*t. I love it but it will drive you crazy unless you just decide to go along for the ride.
>> Anonymous
As Swefag I nominate Sweden for place with few Christfags. Even people who actually practice their fate barely cares.
Avoid Norway though, for some reason they're alot worse. But on the plus-side we're mostly protestants here in Northern Europe. So basicly avoid third world southern Europe (anywhere west of Poland (plus Finland), East of Ireland and North of the center of Germany is ok.
>> Anonymous
Anywhere in Europe is fine. Maybe you should avoid some of the eastern european countries, though. Also, not Poland since it's probably the place with more christfags in Europe.

I'd personally advise you to go to anywhere in scandinavia, Switzerland, Germany or Austria.
>> Anonymous
>>9440
You're kidding right? Greece maybe, but the other four aren't really that bad.
>> Anonymous
>>11298
*three
>> Anonymous
This thread is ridiculous. You can't compare American fundamentalist Christfags to moderate European Christians. Just go anywhere, no one cares about your religion.
>> Anonymous
As for cities Sweden is alright, I live in Stockholm and like it (lived in Umeå as a kid, alright University town) It's just large enough, only city in Sweden with a subway I believe, and all around good communication, safe enough too, sure, there's no guarantee against being robbed, but odds are you're not getting injured atleast, probably just some punk pulling out a knife and then running away with your stuff, I'd be surprised it it ended with physical injury unless you'd resist against someone you can't beat in a fight. But in that case, SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE! Although I'm not sure about the rules for non-EU citizens.

The USD to SEK exchange rate is awful right now (for you americans atleast, I'm importing like the motherfucking fist of the north star)

but the educational level is high, basicly everyone knows English, although the older generation have this awful Swedish-brittish accent since basicly all their teachers and their teachers studied english in the closest English speaking country, the United Kingdom. I however (and alot of young people) have Swe/american accents (Fuck yes American Cartoons on the UK Cartoon Network as a kid)
although their accents can be awful must adults will know the words and understand you perfectly.
>> Anonymous
>>10266
you can only eat pork in luxurious restaurants, fail.

Also, apparently only rich people there are godless.
>> Anonymous
>>9969
When most people hear the word "Immigrant" they think "Dark-skinned person with fucked-up history, fucked-up belief system and very little money (on average) who somehow got into my country and causes problems by clinging with fierce pride to his/her former nationality, traditions, customs, and language."

OP technically wants to be an immigrant, but he's presumably white, presumably educated, and if he has any brains, some savings. If he moves to Europe and stays there, most of us in the anglosphere would imply his station in life by referring to him as an "Expatriate".
>> Anonymous
>>10260
Since when did that transvestite Ann Coulter have anything to do with this?
>> Anonymous
>>11300
This anon speaks the truth. European Christians are A LOT (and I really do mean, A LOT) more mild-mannered and laid-back than the fundie Christfags that Amerikkka seems to be infested with. Even in Italy, a place that supposedly has a rather large Christian population, few people actually attend church or make any note of their religious affiliations (if they're even sure they have one), especially in big cities like Rome and Milan.

Seriously, when looking for a place in Europe to live, religiosity shouldn't even factor into the equation, unless you want to live in Eastern Europe, and no one wants to live there.
>> Anonymous
>>11339
not even the eastern europeans...
>> Anonymous
OP, go anywhere in Europe.

America is the only Christian country where everyone acts the way they do.
>> Gentleman
If you can take the cold, Finland, Swedan, and Norway are nice. Consider the top countries by Human Development Index, HDI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Past_top_countries
>> Anonymous
>>11306
That was supposed to be a joke >_>
>> Anonymous
France, go to france. One of the goddam nicest places in world. Everybody should have seen Paris once in his live
>> Anonymous
>>11358
yeah, i live in serbia, its horrible here.
>> Anonymous
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>I want to live in a country that has relatively few Christfags

Christianity isn't the only insane irrational cancer of a belief/custom that can poison your new life.

Every ex-commie state as corrupt as it is close to Russia. Not just the police and officials but common people too. Also tolerance towards foreigners, gays and such hasn't been a part of their curriculum.

Nordic countries are nanny states where the officials decide the colour your house and will most likely soon outlaw smoking. Also see lol taxes.

Mediterrainian countries are jesus country thus you can't stop there.
>> Anonymous
>>11562

>Also tolerance towards foreigners, gays and such hasn't been a part of their curriculum.

If by lack of tolerance you mean that they don't get celebrated as saviors of humanity, then you are right.
>> Maurauth !7FUJaz4S7Y
>>9971
That map is so wrong, look at Northern Ireland.

And to be honest OP, most of Europe don't parade around their Christianity. The only person that I've know that's preached about Christianity all the time was one of my best friends- someone who moved here FROM America. It's the Muslims you want to avoid, (at least in the UK) there's a lot of them and they whine about their religion a lot more than Christians. They even tried to ban Christmas decorations, and call Christmas "Winterval".

Might as well say, England is pretty awesome and the South of England is rather expensive, but it's beautiful, the people are nice and there's a huge ammount of culture. I could recommend living in Winchester or Southampton, they are both great cities.
>> Anonymous
Czech Republic, most developed and civilised of former commie countries (hack, it's already been 20 years anyway), Prague is world-class city for some years now, and being a Christfag and open about it is a bad taste here, and will literally get you frowned upon. (see the picture posted earlier, we're the dark blue spot between Germany and Poland)
>> Anonymous
>>11562
Which basically leaves you with what? The Netherlands, Germany and Belgium?

I'm pretty fond of The Netherlands, but I'm biased as a native.
>> Anonymous
>>9480
>>Something you may be unaware of, is that many european cities are riddled with muslimfags, wich is way worse than christfags.

If you go to The Netherlands, I would stay away from Amsterdam and Rotterdam, but it really depends on what you want to do here. Leiden is a nice smallish city.

>>If I had MY choice of Northern European cities I'd pick a town in Flanders like Brugges or Ghent. Otherwise, Vienna or Prague in central Europe.

Brugge or Gent. Yeah, they seem pretty nice. Perhaps Leuven.
>> Anonymous
>>11590
i dunno lol, i just listed what i know and thought he should too

altho...
belgium is a smaller france and france is a super-bureaucracy (except you can't bribe yourself through the red tape like in east europe) where you can't fire people for anything thus making it a shit place to start an enterprice

netherlands is made of pot and dead directors
germany is made of turks and censored videogames
>> Anonymous
Go to the "Confederation Helvetia" (Switzerland) or "Liechtenstein"!
>> Anonymous
>>11593
Liechtenstein is made of money launderers.
emigrate to the Netherlands, but don't go to Islamsterdam or Rotterdam. Take a look at cities like Delft, Leiden, Masstricht and especially Utrecht (Alkmaar could work too).
>> Maurauth !7FUJaz4S7Y
>>11595
What're the actual drug laws in Amsterdam?
>> Anonymous
If you are the type to generally smile at people or just generally have a fairly cheerful expression on your face when your out in public.. but you plan on moving to Sweden? Best be practicing those serious type faces, son. For whatever reason the Swedes tend to think that folks who express that they enjoy life are basically psychotic.
>> Anonymous
>>11597
Same as in the rest of The Netherlands. You may smoke weed in your home or in a coffeeshop, you may carry up to a few grammes of weed on your person. You may purchase it at a coffeeshop. Smoking on the street is generally permitted, with the same laws for normal smoking applying for public places like a city hall (no smoking). I wouldn't smoke weed in normal pubs, and in any case, smoking will be banned in normal pubs come July.

Amsterdam smells like weed in the city centre, you won't notice it in the rest of the country.
>> Maurauth !7FUJaz4S7Y
>>11602
Can you purchase it anywhere else?
And can you bring it into / out of the country?
>> Anonymous
the real question is can you sue the seller for bad weed? do they have warning signs on weed bags?
>> Maurauth !7FUJaz4S7Y
>>11628
I heard it comes in pre-rolled splifs in little plastic test-tube like things.
>> Anonymous
>>11633
For the tourists, yes.

>>11619
Most large cities have a coffeeshop. Don't get the wrong idea, The Netherlands isn't a country filled with potheads, not more than the US for as far as I know. It's just that the relatively benign drug called weed is not exactly illegal, but rather condoned. Same goes for mushrooms with hallucinogenic properties.

You won't get past airport security with weed, but you can travel to other European mainland countries, although you should realize that is probably illegal to carry the stuff with you beyond the borders.
>> Anonymous
I live in sweden, I wore a fucking t-shirt in february becuase it was so fucking warm. The cold winters here has reached it's end, yay!
>> Anonymous
>>11562
cancer killing /trv/

why are these butthurt retards everywhere?
>> Anonymous
>>11619
>>And can you bring it into / out of the country?
Not unless you want to be buttraped in prison
>> Anonymous
>>9426
If you have the money, the right skill and degree (Read: Engineering), and some connections, definately sweden.
>> Anonymous
>>11867
Well kinda.
Get house/living in Sweden. Somewhere nice, maybe Gothenburg.
Get job in (s)norway, get paid a fuckload but tax at a swedish rate. Still quite alot but alot less then (s)norways. You can get around tripple the income this way if you have the right education. Like IT. This will get you a fuckload of cash.
Then you have basiclly free access to the good parts of Europe. France, Germany, Poland (for the cheap booze), Netherlands and so on.
And as for being happy in sweden. If you are a butthurt fag that actually care what others think of you, baaaw some more. Otherwise, fuck them. I walk around like I am on drugs all the time and people stare sometime but why the fuck would I care?
Weed and such is "but thats bad D:" but if the cops catch you with a small amount they will give you a ticket and slap on the wrist. Dont know what will happen to that work of yours then though? But if you dont actually look like a druge or act like one they will never even search you for the stuff.
Look respectable and they will ignore you, becuse anyone wearing a nice set of clothes and have a proper haircut cant do illegal things. Lawl.

But since you did not say who you are, what your education is, whats your age and so on we cant actually say.
Some contries are great for education purposes, some are better to work in, are you a bum maybe? That likes to smoke the weed all day and not work? Then there are countries for that too.
Or maybe you love the bottle and cheap food? Go to Poland. It isnt to bad.

Also: there are no real religous people in Europe. If anyone tries to talk religion just say no and the will shut the fuck up.
It's not ok to be religious in Europe you see, unlike the backwards country of AMERIKKKA.

Good thing though, to move to a country that do not buttfuck you for things that you should be allowed to do. Like ask a fucking question. Or smoke a joint every now and then.
>> Anonymous
>>11933
I like how your post is a combination of "get a good education" and "lounge around and smoke weed all day."

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not aware of any lifestyles in the USA that require religious belief except for pastor and politician. As you may have noticed, every big NFL Football game, boxing match, and monster truck rally all take place on Sunday, so our church attendance isn't hot.
>> Anonymous
>>11935
Well its my lifestyle and I do like it.
Unless one actually have problem to get trough uni, then its not the best one to do I guess. But as I dont and I smoke and is a bum in moderate portions, Im getting education and being a bum at the same time.
Power of Sweden
>> Anonymous
you have more to worry from koranfags in europe now
>> Anonymous
According to the HDI, Iceland is the best country to live to in, but it's cold and deserted.
Norway is the second best to live in, but there are high taxes and it's a bit cold, but less colder than Iceland, Sweden and Finland. Also, even though 83% of the population are members of the Church of Norway, that's just formalities for people who want their confirmation, wedding or funeral at a church. Under 40% of the population is religious, and there are almost noone who are intrusive with their religion. Norwegian cities (except for the greater Oslo area) do not have a good infrastructure or transportation alternatives, so if you don't mind taking the bus, that's your easiest way to get around.

Sweden is a second good bet though.