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Anonymous
What does /trv/ think of kyrgyzstan? Wut's there to do?
>> Anonymous
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Very nice. But not as nice as Kazakhstan.
>> Anonymous
I saw this on the main page. Is this /trv/s version of a troll?
>> Anonymous
I'm going to be here to train some people on some machinery the company I work for is installing here .In Bishkek to be more specific.
>> Anonymous
i like the flag
probably one of my favorite flags
probably because it kinda reminds me a of a kaiser roll]
...
i'm fat
>> Anonymous
Is this a really that bad of a country no one has gone?
>> Anonymous
>>43215
not much tourism to speak of, rather than it being a shitty country.

That is to say, that doesn't mean the country is any good. The post-soviet central azn republics are all cesspools of organized crime and cartels. There should be some historical stuff to see, though not as much as you'd see elsewhere because the population used to be nomadic for a very long while.
>> Anonymous
how the fuck do you pronounce it?
>> Anonymous
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That guy from those wherethehellismatt youtube videos wrote a journal on his trip there. It sounded fun aside from the whole almost getting robbed/raped part.

I'd go if I had the chance, looks beautiful.
http://wherethehellismatt.typepad.com/blog/kyrgyzstan/index.html
>> Anonymous
>>43242
key-uhr-gis-stan
>> Anonymous
is there sexy girls?????
>> Anonymous
nothing good ends is -stan
>> Anonymous
>>44340
my friend stan is pretty cool
>> Anonymous
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I sure would like to make sweet sweet love to a naive young kyrgyzstani girl like this.
>> Anonymous
It's a country in the middle of nowhere

With people who mean Nothing
>> Anonymous
>>44410
this sounds awesome
im fucking sick and tired of all this european namefaggotry
>> Anonymous
>>44408
Fappin in a worksafe board
>> Anonymous
>>43398
moar liek q?r??z?st?n - flex your tongue!
>> Anonymous
>>44408

The preferred demonym is "Kyrgyz", as in "beautiful Frau Chauchat and her Kyrgyz eyes", although technically you're not wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>44408
>>43312
>>43084
>>43215


Unheard country, middle of nowhere, close to no foreign tourist's, and the people, well, atleast they look interesting, And the name of the country is fucking difficult to pronounce.

Screw you guys, I'm going to Kyrgyzstasasduahsbfaifsabjan/Mordor.
>> Anonymous
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yes motherfuckers we have hot girls.
>> Anonymous
You wont need to much $$$ average they make like 400 dollars a year.
>> Anonymous
shameless bump. I've looked hard but there is hardly anything on this country online!!!
>> Anonymous
>>46314
That's because there's nothing there. It's a shit hole in the middle of nowhere that was ruined by communism. Hell the whole region was a dive even before communism started stripping the place of culture.You'll most likely be slumming it with yokels while you beat women and play catch the yak stomach or what ever passes for entertainment out there.
>> Anonymous
>>44408
unibrow bra
>> Anonymous
>>46354
i did have to laugh at that

yak stomach
>> Anonymous
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yes they are kyrgys this is like from their myspaces
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Now your'e fappin' in a work safe board!

Hint: There may or may not be $$$ camwhores here.
>> Anonymous
>>43084
Ask the people at the American University of Central Asia, which is in that country, however you pronounce (or spell!) the name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University_of_Central_Asia
>> Anonymous
>>46415

Yeah, I dont speak russian.
>> Anonymous
>>46407
I'd never really been there but I'd sure like to go.
>> Anonymous
I saw a documentry about that country, there the men get their uncles to kidnap bitches they like and bring them to their home, and then their aunts get them to marry their nephew. The USSR tried to stomp it out but since their independence it has come back.

It looked like a shithole aside from that
>> Anonymous
All music from the -stan countries is awesome. Superb epic peasant music. I want to go there someday but i'd have to learn russian first.
>> Anonymous
>It's a shit hole in the middle of nowhere that was ruined by communism.

Bull, being a part of the USSR let them actually live above their means. At least they got educated and industrialized. They would have been just another Iraq/Cambodia/Algeria otherwise (which is where they're headed now).
>> Anonymous
>>46552

But they lost their culture now they dont have shit.
>> Anonymous
moar
>> Anonymous
>>46582
No, not rly, unless you mean riding on horseback meaninglessly rather than settling in cities. The cultural imperialism was actually there during Imperial Russian rule, and back then, they didn't have an "obligation" to provide service to those damn kyrgyz or uzbek or whatever people running amok. During Soviet rule alphabets were crafted and their own language was taught to them at schools etc. Then Soviet Union fucking failed, and they were left like hanging dicks on a cold siberian night outside.

Fun fact: All Central Asian republics have far higher literacy rates than Turkey.
>> Anonymous
>>46418

the people there are supposed to know some English
>> Anonymous
>>46582
Call me a radical, but IMO prosperity, security and peace > national anthems, racism and silly songs.
>> Anonymous
>>46354
it would have been far worse had it not ever become a part of the soviet union, it's much much worse ever since it broke up
>> Anonymous
not as bad as turkmenistan, that's probably the worst one by far
>> Anonymous
>Fun fact: All Central Asian republics have far higher literacy rates than Turkey.

That's not going to last much longer though, unfortunately.
>> Anonymous
What was so bad about the Soviet Union, other than the fact that Patton fucking hated them?
>> Anonymous
>>46897
If you're talking about 70s and 80s Soviet Union, nothing really. The biggest problem was that their economy went rotten, but honestly it was the second best place in the world to live behind the west, going by living standards. Now most former Soviet Union countries are poor as fuck and moving backwards into 3rd world shit-holedom, save a couple like the Baltics and Russia.
>> Anonymous
How's Armenia looking these days? I love the food, and dated a hot Armenian chick from Long Island once, so I know they can be smokin'. Will you get stabbed?
>> Anonymous
kim kardashian is half armenian
>> Anonymous
>>46902
Well, that answers that question.
>> Anonymous
>>46902
actually she is full armenian

also, armenia blows
>> Anonymous
yea u can search Noas arc there, let me know when you find it. Armenia is a biblical landscape.
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
>>46931

Turkfag here. You're wrong. It's believed to be landed somewhere on Mount Ararat in Turkey. Yeah, we score once again[/sarcasm]

Well, back on topic, I got enough friends studying in Kazakhstan (at a turk-kazakh uni) to tell you that there's nothing of interest in any of turkic republics in that area for a (presumably) westerner like ye. Refer>>43221to see why.

And don't even try spelling it. You simply can't.
>> Anonymous
>>46936

Oh, you've started tripfagging now. That's good.
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
>>46937

It's not that I like it. Spotted several Turkish-hater trolls posting as Turks on /trv/. I just felt like it's needed.
>> Anonymous
OP here. Will I atleast get laid with women like the ones in the pics? I'm gonna be here 8 months.
>> Anonymous
>>46940

Me again. Well I don't really give a shit about historical, culture, etc.

I just wanna know If I'm gonna have a bit of fun.
>> Anonymous
>>46941
I don't think it's known for its nightclubs and easy chicks if that's what you're asking. It's a majority Muslim country, so I'm guessing most girls are pretty conservative. Take that with a grain of salt though because I've never been there nor have I ever met anyone from Kyrgyzstan.
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
>>46940

Like in any post Soviet country, chances of getting laid are pretty high (for a price, of course).

>>46943

Nah. Like any Turkic country, Islam is taken "lightly" there.
>> Anonymous
>>46943
>It's a majority Muslim country
Aka a complete shithole?
>> Anonymous
>>46944
>Like in any post Soviet country, chances of getting laid are pretty high (for a price, of course).

You mean like in any country in the world? Hookers aren't exclusive to the former Soviet Union, in case you didn't know. Though theirs are usually hotter.
>> Anonymous
>>46965
You see, in the former Soviet states, you hail a passing car, any car, and it's suddenly a taxi. Similar with the women.
>> Anonymous
>>46936
Great. Another Turkish tripfag. I simply don't comprehend your fascination with trying to make a name for yourself in forums.
>> Anonymous
>>46988
I lol'd
>> Anonymous
Yeah I just found out that I'm gonna be here up to a year. Great pay though. I'm going somewhere other than this shithole after.
>> Anonymous
>>47109
hahahahah enjoy your fail

anyways, you can always get some prostitutes to cheer you up
>> Anonymous
>>46988

The women turn into taxis?
>> Anonymous
>>46988
Good luck with that.
>> Anonymous
What about Azerbaijan
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
>>47109
Don't be so depressed. You may end up loving that horse-milk alcohol (kimiz?) and may start living in a 100 m^2 tent for fun:D

>>47001

I stated why I'm doing this tripfaggotry. lol, what exactly would I get if I made a name here on /trv/?
By the way, this is not a forum.

>>47190
Well, you can call it little sister of Turkey. Again, there's nothing much interesting, but not a bad place at all (comparing mafia ruling -stan countries.)
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Welp, now I want to fuck a Kyrgyz girl.
>> Anonymous
>>47197
>Well, you can call it little sister of Turkey. Again, there's nothing much interesting, but not a bad place at all (comparing mafia ruling -stan countries.)
AHAHAHAHAH

no.
>> Anonymous
>>47197
>I stated why I'm doing this tripfaggotry.
Did you? What was it?

>lol, what exactly would I get if I made a name here on /trv/?
If I knew that, I wouldn't say
>I simply don't comprehend your fascination

>By the way, this is not a forum.
lolwut?
>> Anonymous
>>47792
enjoy your aids, not even joking really
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
>>47825
You seem like you know much about that place. Care to tell us?

>>47845

Would you mind browsing /b/ instead of this BOARD mate? I think you'll enjoy there more with that outstanding level of idiocy and baseless hate of yours.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>47860
>Would you mind browsing /b/ instead of this BOARD mate?
A board is essentially a forum. The difference is like that between a bicycle and a tricycle. I don't even see how this was worth forthbringing on your part, guess you just wanted to get back at me for my totally inoffensive expression of opinion.

>I think you'll enjoy there more with that outstanding level of idiocy and baseless hate of yours
There is no baseless hate of mine. Did I attack your person? No, but you did attack mine. So the idiocy belongs to you for thinking there is.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>47894
Are you inferring that a tricycle is essentially a bicycle? YOU WILL BURN IN HELL
>> Anonymous
>>47853
If you're not joking then you're just a moron. They have the same AIDS prevalence rate as Canada.
>> Anonymous
>>47894
Why are there always faggots like you gaying up threads? Wipe your dick off and move on to the next board please.
>> Anonymous
>>48045

Asking for moar.
>> Anonymous
It annoys me Central Asia is slowly phasing out Russian. I know Russian and really wanted to spend at least a few days in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Instead I spent a lot of time in Ukraine which sucked ass compared with what time I spent in Siberia (although mostly travelling... FUCK that country's big)
>> Anonymous
Kyrgyztan is sweet. I go to bishkek fairly often, about once a year (I live in Afghanistan). Any cab driver can get you an apartment for the week, and you can pay him to go find you some girls. If you say you're American you'll be like a king. Cheap booze, and you gotta love Plov and soviet-era architecture.
>> Anonymous
>>48470
Oh my god, there are internets in Afghanistan?
>> Anonymous
>>48476

Probably works for KBR or some corrupt NGO.
>> Anonymous
>>48476
Yup, got a little satellite thing going on

>>48480
Pfft, KBR is so low class.
Don't compare me to those pedestrians
>> Anonymous
>>48418
>Ukraine
>FUCK that country's big
lol. Where you from? Malta?
>> Anonymous
>>48470

Is he gonna bring you hookers or young virginal kyrgyz girls?
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>48502
Well, last time he brought us 4 (there were two of us 'merkins), and asked which ones we wanted. I just took them all. And the Kyrgyz are hyperactive about safe sex, if they dont know you they'll insist on a condom during even a BJ.
But after a day or so when they've done a fair assessment of your anatomy and character they'll let up, lol.
>> Anonymous
>>48191
yeah believe the statistics, if you were actually there you'd know that about 1 out of every 5(that's 20% for idiots) girls there have aids, it's awful
>>48418
what do you mean? mostly everyone there knows russian, the countries which are the most "phasing out" are probably the worst ones, that being turkmenistan and possibly tajikistan


anyway, avoid all countries with "stan" in them, yes they suck
>> Anonymous
sage for central asia

to give you an idea, central asia sucks so bad people emigrate to russia
>> Anonymous
>>48555
why is everyone on /trv/ such a cynical fag? seriously
>> Anonymous
>>48555
What the hell is that even supposed to imply? Any third world country would emigrate to Russia if it was across the border, including Mexico.
>> Anonymous
>>48554
>yeah believe the statistics, if you were actually there you'd know that about 1 out of every 5(that's 20% for idiots) girls there have aids, it's awful

Yeah I'll believe some random faggot troll on 4chan over UNAIDS. Who wouldn't?
>> Anonymous
>>48563
actually I'm not some "random faggot troll" I was born in kyrgyzstan and lived there up until I was about 12, moved out of there to move to australia
>> Anonymous
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please more pic about this kyrgyz girl
she was the actres on Sokout (the silence)
nadereh + -
pics on actuallity
>> Anonymous
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wtf
i love this girl
Nadereh Abdollah Yeva
moar picsss pleeeeeeeease
>> Anonymous
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please i need pic of Nadereh Abdollah Yeva
(SOKOUT, the silence)film
wtf trv is dead???
please i need it
>> Anonymous
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Nadereh Abdollah Yeva SOKOUT (LE SILENCE)
(Mohseh Makmalbaf film)
Im going to cry...
>> Anonymous
>>48601
please kindly return to failistan
>> Anonymous
>>48601

Tell us moar about it.
>> Anonymous
>>48506

Were they hot like the ones in those pics?

How much did you pay?
>> Anonymous
>>48601
So you gathered AIDS statistics when you were 12? Sorry, still going with the UN statistics.
>> Anonymous
>>48662
the best thing I can tell you about the place is that it has nice scenery, and stuff is cheap even
to the currency they have, it was just fine to live in during the soviet times, after that collapsed the country turned into shit

people often set their goals to try and study hard and apply for visas abroad, they often go to russia seeing as that's the country they have the highest chance of getting into

and there is seriously a lot more AIDs there than you think, you can believe your statistics all you want, from my experience I remember how in the high schools they'd expel someone if they knew they had AIDS, and it'd happen every often, if someone has AIDS they are basically worthless and if everyone knows it they will never be able to get anywhere, as this information often gets spread down to even the embassy offices

so sorry>>48725, but I think I'll believe what I actually saw and not some fucked up government statistics that they submit to the UN
>> Anonymous
oh and, never go to a hospital there, whatever you have, you have a higher chance surviving without going to a hospital, the equipment there is dirty as fuck and you will probably just end up getting infected with some virus, it's even worse than the chinese hospitals everyone hears about
>> Anonymous
So how much money would you need for an epic time?
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
old thread is old
>> Anonymous
I was here for a day just driving accross ... Depressing place.
>> Anonymous
enjot yur aids
>> Anonymous
>>49236
how much did you pay for hookers?
>> Anonymous
>>49448

I had no hookers man.
>> Anonymous
30 dollars a pop.
>> Anonymous
Lol Oldest thread going on such a shitty country. gg /trv/
>> Anonymous
op update: sheesh I didn't think that this would still be here thanks for all the useless / usefull info. Might there be something else to add? I'm going in January, shit time flies
>> Anonymous
Holy shit, this thread is still here?

Thanks to this thread, I'm thinking of visiting Kyrgyzstan in the future, and I've started a Kyrgyz girl folder in my main fap folder.
>> Anonymous
nothing
>> Anonymous
The sad thing is that this thread is probably the most interesting think about kyrgyzstan.
>> Anonymous
>>46931
>>46936
Enjoy your fantasy boats.

>>48486
lol, satellite thing that goes up.

Also, well, GJ for everyone, keeping the oldest /trv/ thread alive. I actually like this thread.
>> Anonymous
>>50968

Did you go on odnoklassniki? Its a gold mine.
>> Anonymous
why are they all chinks?
>> Anonymous
>>51072

Because it is asia dipshit, and a couple russians, uzbeks
>> nodönertalkplz !!p06GZGTKQjB
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>>50967
I didn't think that this would still be here

lol. noone did. Since you still have time, I think I can get some information for you from some Kyrgyz guys (or at least some central asians) studying at my uni. But the uni will be opened up in the next month, so you have to keep this thread alive for another month lol.

By the way, I heard it's -45C degrees in winter and 45C degrees in summer on asian steppe. But don't really know how it's in kyrgyzstan though. You better consider buying some heavy clothing.
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>>48558
Russia *is* a third world country, at least according to the United Nations.

The UN "Human Development Index" actually ranks Mexico as having overall better living standards than Russia, by a narrow margin.
>> Anonymous
>>51241
Russia may be a shithole, but it will take a lot more than a map pulled from wikipedia and arbitrary UN statistics to convince me that the US can be considered "developed" in any way other than the cumulative amount of body fat its denizens have.
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>>51241
that map is inaccurate as hell, since when is Argentina a first world country?

better map attached, darker green better, darker red badder
>> Anonymous
>>51262
>>51268
Butthurt russkie
>> Anonymous
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>>51262
Official map pulled out from the UN website, you lose russkie
>> Anonymous
>>51268
Your map still marks Argentina as First World, along with Portugal and the Czech Republic, which they are.
Learn2read colors. The UN considers 0.850 to be the benchmark.
>> Anonymous
>>51270
actually im argentinian, suck my dick
>> Anonymous
>>51272
Yeah but at least it doesn't show it on the same level as America, as an Argentinian who's lived in both countries I can tell you that Argentina is quite behind most of the northern hemisphere
>> Anonymous
>>51271
The sunny shores of Lake Afghanistan
>> Anonymous
>>51274
por que tiras el pais para abajo, pelotudo?
encima para defender a los rusos? no estamos tan mal.
>> Anonymous
>>51274
>>51273
even worse. Go whine to the UN, Russia is still a shithole.
>> Anonymous
>>51276
Bien poco me importan los Rusos, y realmente mi problema es que mientras que Argentina y nuestros vecinos en Uruguay y Chile vivimos mucho mejor que el resto de los Latino Americanos todavia nos queda mucho por avanzar, aunque creo que es una meta que las naciones del Cono Sur podemos alcanzar
>> Anonymous
>>51277
Remind me of the part where I said Russia wasn't a shithole? its about as developed as Brazil and Mexico, thats a pretty mediocre standard of living for a former superpower (i guess economic collapse in 98 didnt help)
>> Anonymous
>>51278
Y como puede ayudar a alcanzar esa meta insultar al pais en un foro de extranjeros?
>> Anonymous
>>51280
En realidad tienes razon, pero no importa tanto porque USA en unos 20 años mas va a ser tan buen lugar para vivir como Bolivia, jajajaja
>> Anonymous
chupen mi pito cabrones, estados unidos siempre sera el mejor. Siempre habra mas oportunidad aqui.
>> Anonymous
Thread had impending death.
>> Anonymous
>>51279
They say Brazil is growing better, amirite?
>> Anonymous
>>51485

If they get rid of all those useless treeeees!!!
>> noko Anonymous
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this thread needs moar kyrgyz girls
>> noko goes in email, stupid Anonymous
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yeah
>> Anonymous
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>>51279
ITT we don't know the difference between third world countries and fully industrialized former communist countries playing "catchup" to the west.

Russia, along with the rest of Eastern Europe, is far more developed (see: desirable to live) than Mexico or anywhere in Latin America. The reasons for this are industrialization and education. People are simply smarter, more productive and more capable in Eastern Europe. Mexico is more on par with Kyrgyzstan in terms of development.

pic related, Russia has one of the best academic science programs in the world. Mexico and Brazil have literacy rates of 91% and 88% respectively.
>> Anonymous
>>52143
True, having an educated population is the single most important part of human development. HDI is good, but I don't think it weighs the variables properly.

>"Inside Intel we have an expression," says Steve Chase, president of Intel Russia. "If you have something tough, give it to the Americans. If you have something difficult, give it to the Indians. If you have something impossible, give it to the Russians."
>> Anonymous
>>52143
So according to your map, Russia is a better place to live in than Japan?

I love when idiots think they know more than experts in the UN that literally spend their entire lives devoted to the HDI.
>> Anonymous
>>52162
No, according to that map Russia has a better education system than Japan. That's a map of UN's human development report education index.

See: http://hdrstats.undp.org/indicators/7.html
>> Anonymous
The problem with Russia is that 100% of the wealth is concentrated in Moscow.
>> Anonymous
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>>52167
Apparently your sarcasm detector is broken.

You said that education was the single most important factor in development, more than poverty, hunger, gdp per capita, democracy, etc.

I'm showing you the stupidity of your statement, because if we applied your criteria, Russia would be a better place to live in than Japan, Portugal, Switzerland, or many other countries that don't rank as well on the "education index".

It's fallacious to use only one component of the HDI and not all. Russia is a fucking third world country, and the only reason people make up excuses for them is because they are white.

Pic related, hunger in the world.
>> Anonymous
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>>52170
Internet users per capita
>> Anonymous
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>>52171
Poverty
>> Anonymous
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>>52172
GDP per capita (PPP)
>> Anonymous
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>>52173
GNP per capita

(similar, but not the same)
>> Anonymous
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>>52174
Literacy rates
>> Anonymous
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>>52175
Life expectancy
>> Anonymous
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>>52176
Global HDI map.

See?
You need to take all variables into account to even get close to a full picture. Russia is better than Mexico or Brazil when it comes to education, but worse off when it comes to healthcare, life expectancy, and both rank the same when it comes to gdp per capita.

tl;dr - get the full picture, don't pick apart statistics to suit your bullshit agenda.
>> Anonymous
>>52170
That map is out-dated, last time I checked Russia was at 2% ie. green.

>You said that education was the single most important factor in development, more than poverty, hunger, gdp per capita, democracy, etc.

Poverty and hunger are reduced by wealth, and wealth is generated by an educated population creating and maintaining a healthy economy. Russia will have a GDP PPP per capita nearing lesser wealthy western countries like Portugal within 5 years. Places like Brazil, Turkey, Mexico etc.. will continue to lag behind.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita_estimates


>I'm showing you the stupidity of your statement, because if we applied your criteria, Russia would be a better place to live in than Japan, Portugal, Switzerland, or many other countries that don't rank as well on the "education index".

Give it 50 years. Like I said, Russia and Eastern Europe are still playing catchup. And besides, there's hardly a difference between Russia and Japan on the education index.

>It's fallacious to use only one component of the HDI and not all. Russia is a fucking third world country, and the only reason people make up excuses for them is because they are white.

I used that one map to demonstrate my point that there's a difference between third world and former eastern-bloc countries. At no point did I say that a country is automatically better if it has a better education system. That's something you made up yourself and then argued against.
>> Anonymous
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Who's the jerk that keeps posting maps from 2002? You do realize that Russia has undergone incredible growth and reduction in poverty over just the past 5 years or so?

See, this is an up to date map.
>> Anonymous
>>52178
>At no point did I say that a country is automatically better if it has a better education system.

See:
>>52143
>Russia, along with the rest of Eastern Europe, is far more developed (see: desirable to live) than Mexico
Which is not true. I'd rather live 75+ years in Mexico than 65+ in Russia.

Now you are changing your statement and saying that Russia *will* be better off in a couple of decades.

Maybe, I'm not a fortune-teller, but 50 years is more than enough for countries like Mexico or Turkey to improve their education systems to get on par with Russia. If you haven't noticed the map in (>>52175), countries like Greece have incredibly shitty education systems, but nobody doubts they are First World.

That's because there are many factors in play, and education is only one of them. If you asked me whether Russia or Turkey have a better chance of developing faster, I would choose Turkey in a heartbeat, due to its increasingly better democratic system, its free market economics, and its willingness to join the EU.

Russia, instead, is isolating itself, relying solely on its oil and gas supplies to fuel economic growth, and clinging to an old authoritarian way of running the country.
>> Anonymous
>>52170
That map is out-dated, last time I checked Russia was at 2% ie. green.

>You said that education was the single most important factor in development, more than poverty, hunger, gdp per capita, democracy, etc.

Poverty and hunger are reduced by wealth, and wealth is generated by an educated population creating and maintaining a healthy economy. Russia will have a GDP PPP per capita nearing lesser wealthy western countries like Portugal within 5 years. Places like Brazil, Turkey, Mexico etc.. will continue to lag behind.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita_estimates


>I'm showing you the stupidity of your statement, because if we applied your criteria, Russia would be a better place to live in than Japan, Portugal, Switzerland, or many other countries that don't rank as well on the "education index".

Give it 50 years. Like I said, Russia and Eastern Europe are still playing catchup. And besides, there's hardly a difference between Russia and Japan on the education index.

>It's fallacious to use only one component of the HDI and not all. Russia is a fucking third world country, and the only reason people make up excuses for them is because they are white.

I used that one map to demonstrate my point that there's a difference between third world and former eastern-bloc countries. At no point did I say that a country is automatically better if it has a better education system. It's what that education system leads to in the long run, something that the former Eastern-bloc countries haven't had much to work with.
>> Anonymous
>>52179
The oldest map is from 2003 (the hunger one). In any case Russia still lags behind on life expectancy, child mortality, poverty, and GDP per capita. I think 17 years of being called "in transition" is more than enough time to come to terms with the new reality.

>>52182
see reply here>>52181
>> Anonymous
>>52181
I deleted/edited my post to the one above to explain things a bit better. Anyhow, you're starting to sound like a butthurt Mexican. I'm basing my argument on existing projections and future estimates - you're basing your argument on the naive suggestion that educated countries don't develop faster than uneducated populations.

>If you asked me whether Russia or Turkey have a better chance of developing faster, I would choose Turkey in a heartbeat, due to its increasingly better democratic system, its free market economics, and its willingness to join the EU.

See, that's where you lose all credibility. Russia is not only more developed today, but it's economy is expanding at more than twice the rate. China has none of those things, yet look how quickly it's developing today.
>> Anonymous
>>52183
17 years is not a very long time in terms of development, especially considering the circumstances. Mafias that make the sopranos look like carebears, oligarchs that literally controlled the country and financial meltdowns, all thanks to being forced into the unknown territory of capitalism. Russia has only been a stable country with potential for prosperity for about 8 years.
>> Anonymous
>>52184
Well, yeah, I'm American, of Mexican descent.
That means nothing in this debate.

>Russia is not only more developed today, but it's economy is expanding at more than twice the rate.
Also has twice the rate of inflation.

>China has none of those things
China is not a free market economy?
Are you suuuuuuuuuuuure?
>> Anonymous
>>52181
So you're one of those naive people who thinks (has been brainwashed into thinking) a country must be democratic and free with a liberal government in order to prosper? Oh to be young again. China and Russia both prove you wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>52188
>Well, yeah, I'm American, of Mexican descent.
That means nothing in this debate.

Actually it does. Whether consciously or not, you're defending your country on irrational, patriotic grounds.

>China is not a free market economy?
Are you suuuuuuuuuuuure?

Russia's economy is still far more free than China's, and so is their government. Neither of those countries are the epitome of free market, but they prove that you don't have to copy America's system to prosper.
>> Anonymous
>>52189
Democracy is not that important, I'll give you that.

Buthaving a free market economy with rule of law to protect investments is. Hence why China is industrializing itself whereas Russia is merely benefiting from high energy prices.
>> Anonymous
>>52190
Not really. I'm just calling on your fallacy that countries with good education systems can't be third world.

See: Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, all countries with excelent education systems.
>> Anonymous
>>52191
Oh I don't know which organ I should use to laugh to this retards complete ignorance over economics, in theory and in the contemporary situation. Also, can someone copy-paste an image from wikipedia to show the correlation between being a retarded loser and being a free-market fundamentalist?
>> Anonymous
standards of living my friends, standards of living.
>> Anonymous
>>52193
>Not really. I'm just calling on your fallacy that countries with good education systems can't be third world.

Show me a country not part of the "west" or the former eastern bloc with a good education system.
>> Anonymous
>>52191
>Hence why China is industrializing itself whereas Russia is merely benefiting from high energy prices.

Energy accounts for under 10% of Russia's economic growth (as of 2007). Stop arguing buddy, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
>> Anonymous
>>52198
Cuba.
>> Anonymous
>>52196
That's what the HDI measures, but people like to pick it apart into pieces because they get butthurt that Russia ranks so low.
>> Anonymous
>>52198

Singapore.
>> Anonymous
>>52200
Protip: Cuba is communist and was a stout ally of the eastern bloc. Its education system is modeled on that of the Soviet Union.

>>52201
More like you're butthurt that people realize Mexico is a shitty third world country and no one would choose to live there over Russia or probably even China, despite what the HDI ranks them as.
>> Anonymous
>>52202
Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong are all "westernized".
>> Anonymous
>>52203
>Mexico is a shitty third world country and no one would choose to live

Dude it's not like Mexicans are leaving in droves or anythi...oh wait.
>> Anonymous
>>52203
>Protip: Cuba is communist and was a stout ally of the eastern bloc. Its education system is modeled on that of the Soviet Union.
PROTIP: Cuba is a member of the Non-Aligned Movement and has always proclaimed itself a proud member of the "third world".

That's besides the point, anyway. My point is that communist countries are succesful at providing good education but fail when it comes to economics, thus creating underdeveloped societies with good education systems, but that's it.

>>52199
Source?
>> Anonymous
>>52205
Ever been to London? Full of Russians.
>> Anonymous
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>>52206
Pic related, NAM members.

Just FYI, the term "third world" was born out of the Non-Aligned Movement, to represent countries that refused to align themselves either with East or West.
>> Anonymous
>>52206
>My point is that communist countries are succesful at providing good education but fail when it comes to economics, thus creating underdeveloped societies with good education systems, but that's it.

No kidding. But when they make the transition, those former communist countries are essentially on the same grounds as first world countries in terms of education, meaning they WILL catch up, while third world countries will not. Having an educated population is the only possible way to get a developed economy. You're not going to see any countries with 10-20% illiteracy rates making gains on the first world.

>Source?
http://www.kommersant.com/p882678/r_527/macroeconomics/
>> Anonymous
>>52207
The 1990s wasn't a fun time, but things have changed.

http://www.russiatoday.com/features/news/28575
>> Anonymous
The problem with Russia is that it seems like a pretty nice place if you just visit Moscow and St. Petersburg, which are by all means pretty cool cities.

However, there are places in Russia, primarily in the Far East, that have very low standards of living, if you think the Tuva Republic in Russia looks anything like Moscow you're in for a nasty surprise
>> Anonymous
LOL TROLLERCOASTER!!!!!!!!!!