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Nefu !!6ioFab9Ssl3
Hey /trv/,
First time poster here. I'd like to leave the US by the end of the year, but I don't exactly know how I'm going to do it, and I'm hoping you guys/gals can help. I'm sure you guys hear this a lot and are completely sick and tired of it, but bear with it please?

I'm a recent high school graduate, and basically, I want to be able to move to Japan by December. I figured 7 months is a good enough span of time to get things straight, but I don't exactly know how things like this work. I will be going to community college until then.

To get to the point, (How) Can a recent high school graduate move and live in Japan?

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>> Anonymous
no
>> Nefu !!6ioFab9Ssl3
>>34116
Very informative.
Can you elaborate, please?
>> Anonymous
>>34117
you need a diploma to get a job, even for a shitty english teacher job

also they don't want you for any non-english-teacher job, because a local will do it just as well as you could

your best bets are:
1) get hired by a US company and have them transfer you over to their jp office
2) go there on a tourist visa and try your luck getting a job, or work illegally
3) same as 2 but marry a local
>> Anonymous
vote 1 to change /trv/ to /uea/boo
>> Anonymous
>>34120

4) Found your own enterprise and become very successfull.

But wait. You're 19, at most. So forget Japan already, if you don't speak top notch Japanese you won't get a local job (and even then it's hard). If you want to teach English you either need a diploma or work for some shitty private english conversation "school" who will pay you wages from which you can afford one warm meal per day, if you're lucky. Won't be enough to pay your rent, so bad luck.

Find a job in the US and get transfered or be a spoiled kid with unbelievably rich parents who will just pay for you without limits would be your best bets.

Have fun.
>> Nefu !!6ioFab9Ssl3
>>34120
Thanks for the info.

>1) get hired by a US company and have them transfer you over to their jp office
What sort of companies do that?
>> Anonymous
>>34135
LOL NINTENDO
>> Anonymous
>>34135

Finding work at a company large enough to merit a jp branch probably isn't realistically possible with a high school diploma. Fuck, the way the economy is, even completing undergraduate work probably won't cut it anymore.
>> Anonymous
A NEW POSTER HAS ENTERED!!!

>>34135
Very few of them, and most of them will be based in California. Likewise, you will need to be fluent in Japanese and anyone important enough to export to Japan will have a college degree or equivalent work experience.

Ignoring Japan, your only real options would be having friends in a country that ACCEPTS outsiders, then getting a work visa and living with that friend until you can get a job. Though most countries don't allow work visas for people who don't ALREADY have jobs in their country, or offers anyway.

To outright immigrate to places, most are pretty strict, but NZ has a family sponsor program, meaning you can move there if someone is willing to vouch for you. Canada, you can get into with just a job offer OR $10,000CDN and a good deal of paperwork.
>> Nefu !!6ioFab9Ssl3
Thanks for all the feedback everybody, I'm definitely taking notes.

Looks like I was overshooting by a longshot there with that idea.
>> Anonymous
>>34143

>...NZ has a family sponsor program, meaning you can move there if someone is willing to vouch for you...

And why does /trv/ have so much praising entries about NZ these days? You're all planing to settle in there?
>> Anonymous
>>34160
one of the easiest counties to move, they even help you establish professional ties before you ever set foot on the island.
>> Anonymous
>>34160
I wasn't praising NZ. It's actually a fairly boring country. But it IS easy to move there. Especially if you have work experience in one of their extreme need categories. So it's a tech worker haven... if you can stand their shithead politicians. Not as bad as Aussie politics, but that'll likely start up a flame war.
>> Anonymous
>>34114

It's really easy to get accepted into Japan.

Japan has one of the most liberal immigration policies, and a population very accepting of foreigners. Jobs are plentiful, and employers like to hire white guys because it gives their company a multicultural vibe.

Just get a one-way ticket and find a job when you get there. It worked for me!
>> Anonymous
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>>34205
>> Anonymous
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>>34205
daaayaaam
>> Anonymous
You could consider Temple University. They have a Japan campus, and if you transfer from a Junior college, you have good chanses of getting accepted. You get to live in Japan and get an American college degree.
>> Anonymous
>>34135
Companies that require a business degree?
>> Anonymous
OP pic looks like Tia Tanaka.

Also sage, reported, get the fuck out.
>> Nefu !!6ioFab9Ssl3
>>34311
Do tell, what have I done to be reported?
I had a legitimate question, and I haven't done anything wrong, so I don't see what the problem here is.

To the rest of you posting seriously (from what I can tell) thanks for being helpful. You're the reason I decided to post here.
>> Anonymous
>>34114
You retard, you should it least vacation there first.
>> Anonymous
>>34323
You're a newfag and a tripfag. The cancer that's killing 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>34336
no i'm pretty sure it's "old-elitistfags" that are and always have been the retarded cancer infesting the cyst that is 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>34114

Sorry OP Japan is not the anime weaboo paradise you imagine it is. Pick another country, faggot.
>> Anonymous
/trv/ - Help I'm a Nerd With No Trained Skills Or Real Work Experience But I Want To Move To One Of The Most Expensive Countries On Earth
>> Anonymous
>>34323
I, for one, flame these threads because they make me sad. Sad that a bunch of kids out there have this dream that one day life will be so great because they will be in Japan. Even though it will never, ever, ever work out. Part of the reason it gets me down is that I plan to do the exact same thing. I mean, a different country, and a different language (one in which native English teachers are paid OK compared to the average native), but still. I see myself in you. I see your incredible lack of a plan. I see your astronomically low success rates. And I guess you reflect my own improbability of success back at me. And that depresses me.
>> Anonymous
>>34364
fear not my brother is making a killing working as a teacher in Kuwait. Best of all the program he works under is tax free.
>> Anonymous
Wait until you are a bit older and save up your money. I am 20 years old and I wanted to leave right after high school too, but I realized that staying home while going to school and saving money is a better option. This way when I do move, I will be able to live comfortably. Try visiting Japan first. If you are a woman and half way decent looking maybe you can get a job as a hostess. Japan is super expensive and you will feel like an ant in Tokyo. Living in a room the size of a child's closet is no fun. I understand your frustrations with wanting to get out of your hometown though and the U.S. in general. It gets boring after living here for so long. I am lucky to have a mother who works for the airline, so I travel for free except first class on International flights. Then, I have to pay a small tax. I go on a few small vacations every summer, but the last time I was really away was back in '05. I wanted to do some extensive traveling this summer, but sometimes time and finances do not allow. I ended up getting a job, so I am going to save up and be out of here by the time I am 22 or 23. Living in the MidWest sucks.
>> Anonymous
BTW- You should try meeting some Japanese people online or something. Maybe if you had some friends you could stay with outside of Tokyo.
>> Anonymous
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Do you have it, OP? I bet you do.
>> Anonymous
>>34382
I'm not going to spoil the ending, but there's a much better country for the yellow-fever suffering college graduate looking to lay low out of the country for a bit :3
>> Anonymous
>>34395
Spoil it. Now.
>> Anonymous
>>34396
thailand, if you're only looking for cheap hookers
>> Anonymous
>>34399
I like knowing when I see the girl that she doesn't have a dick.
>> Anonymous
>>34399
Excessive amount of ladyboys there - did you know that the most beautiful women of thailand arent women?
>> Anonymous
>>34399
Not me. Thailand is probably better than Japan, but I'm thinking somewhere with a higher standard of living, at least for those who can afford it. Think more cosmopolitan.
>> Anonymous
>>34410
Korea? They're kind of like the jews of Asia in that they love hording things and having expensive shit just to show off.
>> Anonymous
>>34412
Getting close :3. Part of me doesn't want to tell because more white people might come and ruin the crazy scene among the expats, but plenty of people are pussies and chicken out because of the language , or are like OP and are too indecisive.

OP: Think of the heroes in books you read as a kid. Bold adventurers. Brave explorers into the heart of darkness. Learn the language. Try to live in Japan. You will fail, but you will have lived more of a life than 90% of the people on 4chan have. And once you fail? Come back, get some petty cash, try again. If you keep trying, you've never actually failed. Good luck, /trv/ler.
>> Anonymous
>>34418
you make it sound like a big fucking secret, as if there were so many countries in Asia.

PRC, HK, Singapore, whatever. If you can afford a high standard of living, you will get laid anywhere.
>> Anonymous
>>34420
I guess it just surprised me when I first came, how many fucking ugly foreigners are with beautiful women.
>> Anonymous
>>34421
which are you in?

im likely partially moving to china, to a city with few expats. i'm told by people whove spent time there that you have to fend off the whores when outside home/work (much like my experience in southeast asia), and that people will by dying to be your maid etc ('benefits' are implicit). ie people will effectively pimp their mother out to you

just for the record, this is NOT something im looking forward to
>> Anonymous
>>34425just for the record, this is NOT something im looking forward to
Yes it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be on 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>34430
;)

but seriously, only interacting with shallow women who you want your money but you cant communicate with get old after a while
>> Anonymous
China is great, and the best way to do it is to come in on a tourist visa, hang out with some expat friends and find a good job to get you your residency.

Unfortunately that's not really practical now thanks to changes in the visa laws (they're trying to squeeze out all the worthless niggers in the lead-up to the olympics), and nobody knows how long it'll take to go back to normal after that's over. So the only real option is to work for one of those horrible training schools that hire you from overseas, unless you already know someone who knows someone who can help you out.

>a city with few expats
I absolutely recommend this. I'm in a major city now, and it sucks compared to the last place I lived thanks to all the hookers and scammers getting between you and the fun.
>> Anonymous
>>34382
someone post that in high-res plz
>> Anonymous
>>34451it sucks compared to the last place
I should probably elaborate on this. "Foreigners" draw a bad crowd, which sucks the fun out of places that would otherwise be great if they were more Chinese and less full of whores and nasty old sex tourists. Getting laid without paying for it is a lot more hit-and-miss (about par with the real world actually) , wheras in a more out of the way city you can literally pick up the most beautiful lay of your life by smiling at her then dancing for like ten minutes. White guys are almost guaranteed to score, it has nothing to do with standard of living or anything like that.

Note that there are plenty of whores elsewhere too, but they tend to be prettier when they aren't catering exclusively to foreigners, and they will fuck you for free as often as not just for the chance to take a cock big enough for them to actually feel something. I'd never take one home deliberately, but you can't really tell until you have them in bed and they start doing things no innocent little Chinese girl should know about.
>> Anonymous
>>34455
what city are you in? and, where was the last place? how long did it take you to pick up mandarin, and how much did you know before you hit the ground?

the one im going to is not so much out of the way geographically, but i understand that there's a big difference culturally (relatively) and in expat population. i have a number of contacts in a few cities, and getting a visa is no problem whatsoever. i've heard about the visa situation - unfortunately i doubt things will return to normal after the olympics (things generally dont get cheaper), but as i said, getting a sponsor is no problem.

there are plenty of whores everywhere, and even better, plenty of sluts. i've spent enough time in southeast asia to know the difference, and to stay away from sex tourism
>> Anonymous
>>34476
I can't tell you where I am, for a Reason. Sorry. Yes, it's a stupid reason.

My Mandarin is pretty limited. I can barter and romance girls (not that it's really necessary), but that's it. It took a few months to get to this level, but I know people who have become fluent in less than a year just by talking to everyone they can.
You don't need to speak much Chinese to live in China, though of course it's a good idea to learn. Investing in a good pocket translator once you get here might help you out occasionally.

>(things generally dont get cheaper)
It has nothing to do with the cost, it's the way the rules themselves have changed. For example, you now require a return ticket and proof of hotel reservations for many visas, they are mostly limited to 30 days for all nationalities, and you're unlikely to be issued multiple entries. As whether or not they issue what you want comes down ultimately to the discretion of the consul you speak to, they are more and more often flexing the ability to tell you to fuck off if they don't like the way you're dressed or your ethnicity, particularly at visa-issuing ports of entry.
>> Anonymous
>>34477
well im sure its a very good stupid Reason, which means a lot to you ;)

you're not the fag who's been posting from guangzhou are you? judging from your distaste for the local expat population it'd be here or shanghai/beijing/hk. but i dont know shit, there are heaps of cities with big expat populations. can you tell me what province?

i'll be sure to get a good (lol) pocket translator before i go, and ive got a pimsleur set i can get through. i will have translators in the company that i will be working with, and ill probably be in a position to get lessons for an hour a day from them

i understand its not just cost, but they have made it more expensive. the single entry thing is a bitch, but from what i gather its not hard to get a 30 day single entry business visa for a 'rich' white person who has company support, it just costs them more and takes a little longer than it used to. once i'm in, im told that getting an extension on that visa shouldnt be a problem

i really like the way this 'frustrated weeaboo' thread quickly turned into one about chinese whores and visas
>> Anonymous
>>34114
3/10
>> Anonymous
>>34501
Thing is, it turned into a decent thread (compared to the other shit on this board).
>> Anonymous
>>34344
The only reply this fag needs to listen to.
>> Anonymous
>>34371
He speaks the truth, sadly. Unless you're a well endowed woman, you're job choices are limited, it's not racism either. Well, it might be a little. Think of it this way, while you were busting your hump learning Japanese, some native speaker was already training to get the job you want. So anything that requires training, experience, or is very complex is probably out of the question. Even simple retail jobs aparently require a jptl 1 level of fluency(the hardest one to attain).

That said, I plan to leave to Japan by year's end(24 now). I'm likely going to wind up teaching English to a bunch of reverse weeaboos, but I'm really sick of Southern California.
>> Anonymous
>>34533
Inverse, not reverse...otherwise it makes no sense.
>> Anonymous
OK

you have more options:

-they have this program for tourists, where they give you a mindless job so you can pay your stay on Japan. something like cleaning fishes. find it out on a travels agency.

- student exchange. get your ass to college and try your luck. try Mechanical Design or something related for extra points.
>> Anonymous
After saving 20k£ I've now been living with my GF in Hong Kong for the past year. I am here on a 6 month stay vistors visa, which has been extended (restamped) twice.
Thus far I have avoided all contact with expats but feel this must change if I'm to get a job, but then, I might just marry my GF (local girl).
Only job option for westerns (inc NZ/Asus) in HK is teaching for the same similar others above have expressed. As a programmer by trade I'm pretty much unemployable here in HK, sadly.

Also, I could, if I were that kind of person, lay a different girl each and every night. It's way too easy for our own good.
>> Anonymous
>>34543
bullshit rarely does anyone get their visas re stamped
>> Anonymous
>>34545

You're an idiot.
>> wioefj poop
these guys have no idea what they are talking about.

Go to college first before you go, at least get your associates. Apply for temple or Osaka/Sophia University and maintain your GPA above 3.0-3.5.

Visit first, you can stay for 90 days on tourist visa. Then, by the time you have been in school 1-2 years, you know what to expect, your japanese is a little more advanced, and you are going for the right reasons.

I myself am visiting next month for 2 months. I plan to travel around and stay in hostels to just get used to it. There are teacher jobs sure, but I dont want to teach. I applied for Temple but it didn't work out, it is quite expensive as well.

I was like you, but bear with it till you at least get your 2 year degree. You wont regret it. If you can wait 7 months, you can wait 2 years to at least tell youself you finished 2 years of college already.
>> Anonymous
OP, I don't know if you're new to 4chan itself but please don't take the naysayers seriously. You can go to Japan if you want to. I assume you're mature enough to acknowledge by now that Japan may or not be what you want to live in, and you may or may not have a comfortable visit there. But by now I think comfortability might not matter much, eh?

There are gaijin (foreigner) apartments there. There are programs to let you work on agriculture in exchange for food and a place to sleep. There are even Western-style apartments with our beds and our toilets (though I'm sure that's somewhat expensive).

Just look into it, make the preperations you see necessary, and go for it.
>> Anonymous
>>34549
I dunoo how many cocks you have to suck then because you just have to look at them wrong for them to reject an extension.
>> Anonymous
>>34857
>There are programs to let you work on agriculture in exchange for food and a place to sleep.
More info please.
>> Anonymous
>>35124
google wwoof
>> Anonymous
>>34492fag who's been posting from guangzhou are you
There are at least three of them. They were all arguing with each other in the same thread a few weeks ago (about food. they emphatically agreed on the slut stuff).
>> Anonymous
>>35079
Agriculture? As in, picking rice by hand knee deep in a crop fertilized by human shit? You are quite the funny motherfucker, you know that?
>> Anonymous
OP, what is it that you can offer to Japan? Because most likely they already have a robot doing that very same thing you are doing. The Japanese are very xenophobic and don't want foreigners stealing their jobs/women.

And get a real degree. They'll know if you been taking BS classes.
>> Anonymous
>>35162
You are so fucking wrong. Japan loves foreigners and has one of the most lenient, accepting travelling deals with USA.

Kid, just go there and find a fucking job
>> Anonymous
>>35301
>find a fucking job
hahahahahaha, as long as the job is "english teacher", sure

visa exemptions for tourists != invitation to work
>> Anonymous
I've been there and enjoyed it. If you are serious, be aware that Japan is VERY expensive to live in by American standards, unless your expenses are 'covered'. If you must, consider this: free language and culture instruction, decent shared housing ashore on Tokyo Bay at Yokosuka (also free), and community meals included.
The nuclear aircraft carrier, USS George Washington, is leaving San Diego for Japan in August. No hurry, they will fly you there after your training. It will be there for at least 5 years (your tour would be about 18 months). USN would guarantee your asgmt there before enlistment.
Just consider it. Now I'm out of here before the adolescent sh*t storm begins. Good luck to you.
>> Anonymous
>>34857
this is a good idea (im not OP) but i am a freshman in college and i applied to study at Sophia for one year and i got accepted. it is going to be expensive and i have taken out a few loans jsut to make sure i can cover the expenses. but i never thought i could study abroad but it is possible. go to school and apply for study abroad and save up a lot of money.