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Passaportox2 Anonymous
Anyone here with dual citizenship with another country? Americanfag here with the oppurtunity to get a dual citizenship in Italy.

Is this a pain in the ass to go throughwith obtaining?

Is there an awesome to having this?
>> Anonymous
>>awesome option

dix'd
>> Anonymous
Do it. I have Australian and Italian dual citizenship. Especially with the rise of the EU it's pretty sweet to have citizenship in the largest economic body in the world. Also, no compulsory military service in Italy, so you won't have to fight in some phoney war.
>> Anonymous
I'm doing the same thing right now. Fuck yes, it's worth it. It just takes time, very little money, and knowledge of Italy's nationality law.
>> Anonymous
I'm a American citizen with a English passport. England is pretty tolerant. At one time I had a chinese passport along with both of those too.
>> Anonymous
is it required that you know any of the language though, or have any knowledge of the country's history or something?
>> Anonymous
>>75253
Nope. Just do the documentation.
>> Anonymous
im Australian and would love to get an American passport as i have lots of friends over there, and love the place, but supposedly i need to have completed uni or sum shit. So i cant really stay any longer then 3 months at a time. But i could always marry someone over there. Then its instant green card yeah?
>> Anonymous
>>75259
US tax law isn't really beneficial to its citizens living abroad. Nice place to visit though. Australian passport is just as good.
>> Rapi3r
Im Australian/English Dual national, very handy for free travel through the EU and asia
>> Anonymous
Turkish and british dual citizen.

If I didn't want to live in istanbul at a certain point, I'd give up the turkish citizenship. Although it will be better to go to eastern countries.
>> Anonymous
English / American here. Being an EU citizen is definitely worth it. You'll be able to live anywhere in europe.
>> Anonymous
>>75259

You don't need a American passport to go or live there. If you go there to work or study you need the respective visa. If you go there on holiday for more than 90 days you need a B1/B2 visa. Visas are usually valid for a year. I don't know about the US but most places allow you to renew visas before they expire so you can stay longer.
>> Anonymous
Oh and just to add to the above comment, Aussie passport is easy mode, you can go pretty much everywhere and not that many places require visiting visas and if they do it's usually just a case of pay it on arrival or sort it out beforehand.
>> Anonymous
How about a triple?

My cousin is Irish, Danish and Norwegian.
(She's born in Ireland, Danish father and lives in Norway)
>> Anonymous
Well a friend of mine had dual citizenship with one half of that being Greek. He had to spend two years or so soldiering in Cyprus.
>> Anonymous
>>75286
He could avoid it by renouncing his Greek citizenship, I reckon? In that case, he chose to do it, not had to.
>> Anonymous
>>Also, no compulsory military service in Italy, so you won't have to fight in some phoney war.

But you're half Australian. And we've been specialising in phoney wars since 1914.
>> Anonymous
German / English here
If the next WW goes like the last two, im fucked either way
>> Anonymous
>>75318
American here, I can assure you your fucked everywhere in the next WW. Im pretty sure we have built weapons so insane they dont even bother to name them.
>> Anonymous
>>75270
Why would you give up your citizenship just because you decided to leave the country?

>>75295
Not necessarily. Check out Greece's stupid military laws.
>> Anonymous
>>75324
"Why would you give up your citizenship just because you decided to leave the country?"

I may be wrong but I think your still liable to pay taxes and obligatory fees' & fines.This seems only true in the US.
>> Anonymous
>>75327
And the Philippines. Also, if your net worth is > $500k or you made > $100k the year before you renounced, you'll be taxed 10 years after you renounce US citizenship.

I don't think Turkey taxes non-resident citizens, but i may be wrong on that.
>> Anonymous
>>75327
Spoilers: You don't actually have to pay the IRS anything. You can actually get away with not paying taxes in the US but that's a different story. No one is going to care if you leave the country, they won't come after you.
>> Anonymous
>>75343
But you will lose your US citizenship.
>> Anonymous
>>75343
If you do not file taxes for the year that you lived abroad, the statue of limitations for that year never expires.
>> Anonymous
im in the process of trying to get my italian citizenship through jus sanguinus also..its a big pain in the ass, but i think itll be worth it
>> Jackpot777
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Dual UK/US citizen, because I married an American in 2001. Became a US citizen in 2005. Very happy here. I'm guessing there might be a few people not so happy after yesterday.
>> Anonymous
>>75343
I don't question the fact that "they" might not come after you, if you leave the country AND never return.

But I don't think the OP or anyone else whose considering leaving the country will NEVER return to the states. He probably has family or friends that he/she will want to visit. The government will probably have records of his departure and tax evasions.

Looking at the picture as a whole, while America isn't considered a great country by a lot of other countries, it's still in the process of making changes. Who knows, America might surprise everyone some day. If your considering leaving the US, I'd recommend thinking about the repercussions. You may want to return someday.
>> Anonymous
I'm an Ausfag/USfag dual national, but I've hardly spent any time there. My expat teacher calls me a "paper American."

I voted for Obama from abroad. Yay!
>> Anonymous
No I had to give my indian citizenship when I became an american. I never sent my indian passport back so not sure if I will get detained or shit if I go to india next time.
>> Anonymous
>>75375
Countries like Spain, when you acquire their nationality and you're not from a country that has a dual citizenship treaty with them, make you "renounce" your previous citizenship, but they don't take your old passport nor follow you to the embassy to watch you renounce your citizenship. They also don't communicate this to your previous country's government. You're probably still an Indian citizen.
>> Anonymous
>>75398
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law#Automatic_Termination_of_Indian_citizenship
Disregard that, i suck cocks.
>> Anonymous
>>75259
Ha ha.. no. Marriage is not a instant green
card in america. They have no problem deporting your ass and leaving your wife/husband to live on their own. Do what>>75275said.
>> Anonymous
American citizenship is like Microsoft. It takes over your other citizenship. So just keep both. The US does not recognize "dual citizenship" anymore. I am CDN and American. The two shall never know about each other, and I like it that way.
>> Anonymous
I'm trying to do this now. I'm American, but one of my parents is Polish, and I can claim that citizenship by descent. I'm currently living overseas on a grant, and trying to do this with the consulate is awful.

I will be heading to Poland for Christmas, and am wondering if I could get one relatively quickly by letting myself fall into the "passport trap". Any of you /trv/llers know?
>> Anonymous
>>76698
Enjoy your military service.
>> Anonymous
>>76711

Not so! As long as my primary residence is outside Poland, I am exempt.
>> Anonymous
Do you speak Polish?
>> Anonymous
>>76845
That's interesting. Do you have a link with that info? If you were entitled to Polish citizenship, why wouldn't you just recover it normally without having being barred from leaving the country against your will? Seems like that would fuck up some travel plans.
>> Anonymous
OP is handsome.
>> Anonymous
I am Irish and Australian

Live in Australia, was born in Ireland
>> Anonymous
OP has nice blinds.
>> Anonymous
Scottish and Australian here.

I copped my Aussie one after I've lived here for 15 years, it's my home :3
>> Anonymous
I'm venezuelan, peruvian and spanish.

Born in venezuela, peruvian father, spanish mother.
>> Anonymous
So, my father was born and raised in Perú.

Does that mean as an Amerifag I can apply for citizenship in this country? It's that easy?
>> Anonymous
what the shit...I know the dude in that picture.

Were you in Riga this weekend?
>> Anonymous
>>76906
Nice.
>>76909
Found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_nationality_law
Best bet would be to call your nearest consulate really. I would be worth it, as the Peruvian passport is a decent one.
>> Anonymous
Ausfag/Frenchfag

Born in Australia, Australian Mother, French/Australian father.

To get the French passport, you simply need to have a french parent.

IMO, an EU passport is very handy.
>> Anonymous
>>76934
Do you have any information in English about this? One of my friends is doing this right now. How long did it take you? What was the process like?
>> Anonymous
>>75261
Jesus you always post in /trv/ about this in every fucking thread you come across

NEWSFLASH YOU DONT GET TAXED ABROAD BY THE US UNLESS YOU MAKE OVER 82000 DOLLARS A YEAR (THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS LIVING ABROAD) so shut the fuck up about it
>> Anonymous
>>77202
meant the majority of americans dont
>> Anonymous
>>77202
Actually, if you're self-employed you still pay social security and medicare tax. If you're in a country that doesn't have a tax treaty with the US, you get taxed twice. Learn to international tax law before posting.
>> Anonymous
>>77225
And shockingly enough almost all of the EU and Australia/New Zealand/Canada have those tax treaties!

So shut the fuck up with your HURRR YOU GET TAXED TWICE shit in every single thread and learn some international tax laws yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>77236
Guess what, penis puffer? Not everyone lives in those countries. Moreover, some people don't work for companies nor live in countries that even tax income for residents who don't earn money from the country itself? Can your tiny brain figure out what that means in terms of tax liability to a US citizen living abroad?
>> Anonymous
>>77241
Just speaking as an American abroad who does file the tax returns, the treaties cover social security tax (even if you're self-employed like I am)

And my wife and I (both US citizens) earn $120k a year and marriage exempts you from upto 180k.

You two should stop having a slap-fight and realize that the majority of US citizens working abroad are going to be working in countries that have the treaties in-place (for example the US citizens are talking about the EU in this very thread) so your attempts at trying to put them off going to live in, for example, the UK, you bark that they'll get double-taxed when that simply isn't the case.

Also, if you're earning over 80k in somewhere like Ethiopia then I'm sure your job will be fantastic and you can afford to be double-taxed anyway.

>>nor live in countries that even tax income for residents who don't earn money from the country itself?

Which they still wouldn't get taxed on if they earned under 80k a year.
>> Anonymous
Argentinafag here... I could get German citizenship because of my mom. But is it really worth it? What are the requirements?

I mean, having an EU passport is handy, but I've been to Europe (Germany/France/Switzerland) on vacations and nobody bugged me. Is it worth going through all the paperwork if your only objective is to take some vacations every now and then?

If it's simple enough I might do it, though.
>> Anonymous
>>77258
>Also, if you're earning over 80k in somewhere like Ethiopia then I'm sure your job will be fantastic and you can afford to be double-taxed anyway.
Sorry, the point of being an expat is to pay less taxes, not more.

To clarify, once again, for the double digit IQs on this board: If you are a US citizen, living in another country that 1) you don't earn income from 2) has no taxes on income earned outside the country 3) are self-employed, then you still own social security and medicare tax to the US via your Schedule SE form, even though the foreign earned income exclusion qualifies you to not be taxed on the first $85k of your income.
/argument

>>77259
There's tons of stipulations to see if you qualify, but it's well worth it. You'd have the right of abode in Germany and freedom to enter the EU whenever you want for as long as you want. Check the nearest consulate or embassy for the procedure.
>> Anonymous
>>77259
People born to a parent who was a German citizen at the time of birth are usually German citizens on that basis. It does not matter whether they were born in Germany or not. Nor does it matter if the parent is a naturalised German.

* Those born after January 1, 1975 are Germans if the mother or father is a German citizen.

* Those born before January 1, 1975 could normally only claim German citizenship from the father and not the mother. Exceptions included cases where the parents were unmarried (in which case German mothers could pass on citizenship) or where the German mother applied for the child to be registered as German on or before 31 December 1977.

* Special rules exist for those born before 1 July 1993 if only the father is German and is not married to the mother. The father must acknowledge paternity before the child is 23, or acknowledge paternity and marry the mother and the child must declare himself or herself to be a German citizen.

* In the future, those born outside Germany to a German parent who was also born outside Germany after 1999 will need to be registered as German citizens within 12 months of birth. An exception applies if the child is stateless.

* Those born in Germany and adopted to a foreign country should contact their local German Consulate for clarification of German citizenship.

Persons who are Germans on the basis of descent from a German parent do not have to apply to retain German citizenship by age 23. If they acquire another citizenship at birth, they can usually continue to hold this.
>> Anonymous
>>77264
Yeah bro this is such a common occurrence. I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

So in your situation, I'm self-employed, have no customers or income from the country I'm living in, and the country doesnt tax me at all if that's the case...Then why not just live in America since you'll be getting taxed the same.

This situation you've just planned out describes probably 0.1% of all Americans living abroad.

Thanks for stopping by with your comedy SCARE TACTICS about US Citizens living abroad.
>> Anonymous
>>77265
Wow... thanks anon. I'll look into it.
>> Anonymous
>>77267
>Then why not just live in America since you'll be getting taxed the same.
Because if you lived in the US, you wouldn't qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion.
>This situation you've just planned out describes probably 0.1% of all Americans living abroad.
It's quite a bit more than you think.
>Thanks for stopping by with your comedy SCARE TACTICS about US Citizens living abroad.
This isn't scare tactics. It's wealth management and asset protection - a reality of intelligent expats.

Goddamn, there are some stupid fucking people on this board.
>> Anonymous
>>77273
you included

i've also noticed you posting this garbage around /trv/ and it needs to stop

lol name some examples
>> Anonymous
>>77274
>i've also noticed you posting this garbage around /trv/ and it needs to stop
Honestly, go fuck yourself. Travelers need to be aware of the potential tax liabilities of naturalization in a foreign country. Until the the US stop taxing global income on non-resident citizens, i will continue to post on the subject.
>> Anonymous
huh? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230306803832
>> Anonymous
>>77275
example failed because you know that situation you described was retarded and rare

also potential tax liabilities lol yeah the liabilities 99% of americans living or working abroad will never have to worry about
>> Anonymous
>>77295
>example failed because you know that situation you described was retarded and rare
Well, i was hoping you were smart enough to figure that out by yourself, but since you're not: webdesigners, consultants, and other "location independent persons/professionals" <- search for that string and see what happens.

>also potential tax liabilities lol yeah the liabilities 99% of americans living or working abroad will never have to worry about
facepalm.jpg
>> Anonymous
>>77299
hahaha yeah some country is going to give you a residence visa to because you're a "web designer" or a "location independent professional" in their country and to sweeten the deal you won't be contributing to tax in the country!
>> Anonymous
>>77302
They sure will. Speaking from experience here, something you obviously need more of. Travel and read more, post less.
>> Anonymous
>>77304
Enlighten us to your "experience" then.
>> Anonymous
>>77306
I have been the whole time. Scroll up.