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Studying overseas Anonymous
Hi /trv/

I'm South African... things are getting pretty complicated here, too much crime and very few jobs. I'm planning to move to another country to finish my studies and work for a couple of years... hopefully it will be a temporary thing.

Anyway, I've been talking to other people that have already left the country or are planning to do so, and I've narrowed my options to: Australia, New Zealand, France, Argentina, Canada, the United States, the Netherlands or the UK.

My question is which of this countries would you recommend to study in? How hard is it to immigrate to these places? Are the laws strict? Will I get a job easily?

Language is not a problem. I'm a native Afrikaans speaker, but I also speak great English, some Spanish and some French.
>> Anonymous
United States pwns all other countrys
>> Anonymous
>>28024
What are the visa requirements for South Africans?
Will two years of chemistry get me into a decent university?
>> Anonymous
>>28026
Not to be a jerk, but Google would know more than anyone on here.
>> Anonymous
if you're native afrikaans, the netherlands is an obvious choice
>> Anonymous
>>28024
No.
>> Anonymous
Come to New Zealand, we let anyone in
>> Anonymous
western australia has a very large population of expat south africans its fairly easy to immigrate aswell aslong as you arnt a broke nigger there are plenty of jobs aswell
>> Anonymous
the UK is probably one of the easiest to get into. We let anyone in.
>> Anonymous
>>28171
too many Pakis
>> Anonymous
>>28043

Well you'd still have to do some learning, Afrikaans and Dutch are still different languages. I dunno, I have a south african friend who went to the netherlands and he said that flemish was easy to understand but dutch was a little more tricky.

I say come to Canada. Good weed, like the netherlands.
>> Anonymous
stay out of the USA
our healthcare system is 3rd world, so don't get sick or you'll rot and die or become bankrupt from outrageous expenses
go somewhere that isn't run by conservative regressive biblethumping morons
>> Anonymous
>>28023
If you want to get away from high crime levels, you should probably stay away from the US. If you go there it'll be like jumping from bathtub of shit into a swimming pool of shit.
Of the countries you listed. Canada and NZ are probably the safest. Australia is also pretty safe (crime varies from city to city though, for example Sydney has a lot of crime compared to Melbourne).
>> Anonymous
This is a bad place to be asking for advice.
>> Anonymous
United States

Best education in the world at American universities, a lot will offer financial aid.
>> Anonymous
www.nationmaster.com offers statistics regarding most of the questions you have
>> Anonymous
The US is fine, but the job market is so-so. You could get a nice job as a translator. Our health care fine, you don't have to worry about that sub-standard socialist health care you see in other nations. The UK is very multi-cultural.
>> Anonymous
>>28346
wow, I can smell the liberal butthurt from here. You must think that getting oppressed means not getting what you want when people reject your childlike political naivety.
>> Anonymous
Being from the UK, I'd recommend the UK for you.
If you attend a university here you'll get financial and international student support, and many universities offer great job help in posting positions for students to look at, offering work places and the like. The university of Edinburgh has the widest variety of nationality in any university in the UK, check it out.
http://www.ed.ac.uk/studying
>> Anonymous
>>28394
Oh yeah, getting longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate, and a higher rating in any study about health care for 2/3rds of the cost is really naive.
>> Anonymous
Most of the South Africans and Zimbabweans who travel to Australia seem to end up in Brisbane or Perth.
Probably something to do with similar climates.
>> Anonymous
>>28388

not to a foreigner. you won't get any federal or state financial aid if you're, duh, not a citizen of the US. good luck finding a college that will give you more than a couple thousand bucks a year.

don't listen to the person ranting about crime rates. the crime is fine here, although it heavily depends on where in the US you go.
>> Anonymous
Well, here in Argentina we have very good public universities that are completely free. The UBA is full of foreigners taking advantage of this system. And immigrating here is really easy, we let everyone in apparently. So if money and a good education are a priority, this is a good destination.

Still, I think Canada or Australia are the best destinations of your list.
>> Anonymous
Ausfag here.

It's very easy for people to get into the country to study, but if you decide you want to stay here as a permanent resident that's when it gets tricky. You have to give the government a really good reason to let you stay, which usually means either you marry an australian or you have something we need (for example, if you are studying to be an engineer or a doctor they will do whatever they can to make you want to stay.)

Our healthcare is pretty good and Sydney has a pretty big market for translators and interpreters if you're into that sort of thing.

Just a little side note though- if you come to study here, your university fees will be higher than the australian students. That seems to piss a lot of people off.
>> Anonymous
America is probably the best option for you, depends on which college(state) you go to. If youre going to be stuck in say south dakota/middle of farm country then id say dont do it. If its going to be near a big city like nyc, boston, miami, la/such then its the best option for you. Education is great & with your accent pussy will fly towards you even if you dont ask for it!
>> Anonymous
>>28439
True about the accent being a total pussy magnet.

But don't necessarily rule out American public, land-grant universities, which are generally not in major, major cities. They offer a great deal of financial aid, often have more student employment positions available (and public universities DO like to hire their own students rather than outsource), often have highly-ranked programs in a variety of fields, and, again unlike major cities, have a much more affordable cost-of-living.

Additionally, my university has an amazing Office of Minority Affairs, from what I've heard from friends that can take advantage of it. They offer three tiers of scholarships, both need- and merit-based. So, if you have good grades leaving your present college and can prove you are independent of your parents and not earning a great income, you can get almost your entire education paid for.

Like the Ausfag said, relatively easy to study here but tough as hell to immigrate, although I highly doubt that'll be a problem for OP as s/he mentioned wanting to go back to South Africa at some point.

http://www.educationusa.state.gov/
Check it, bitch.
>> Anonymous
>>28447
...And this said, there are a great deal of public universities in sizable cities. A few that come to mind are University of California in Las Angeles, University of Illinois at Chicago, Ohio State University in Columbus, University of Texas at Austin, etc.
>> Anonymous
All foreign students get so much ass, it's unbelievable. You could come to the Netherlands, our public universities are among the best in the world. There are more universities in the top 200 than Canada or France, even though the Netherlands are a much smaller country. See: http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007Statistics.htm

Of course, that's only one ranking, but other rankings paint pretty much the same picture. Check out ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/indicators/docs/3rd_report_snaps10.pdf and http://www.gse.nus.edu.sg/document/Tech%20top%2010.pdf

The thing is, these universities aren't private, so you would only be paying €1519 in tuition per year. Also, you might be eligible for the €250 a month that Dutch students receive, along with free public transportation.

Third, there are so many hotties at universities like Utrecht, Nijmegen and Maastricht. It's awesome.

Integration would probably not present a big problem since you already know Afrikaans and are getting a college degree. Depending on your major you will either get a job very easily (if it's something like engineering, applied physics or dentistry) or you will never get a job (if it's something like cultural anthropology or theater and film studies).

So yeah, come to Holland.
>> Anonymous
The UK and the USA have the best universities.