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Anonymous
I want to move to the Netherlands, get citizenship, and open a "coffee house".

That is my dream.

How possible/impossible is this, and are the Netherlands as awesome as I hear?

It seems like a fantastic place for many reasons, not to mention the government seems a lot more liberal than that of the USA.

I just want to live somewhere I can feel free, I want to live somewhere where I wouldn't constantly feel like the government is against me, out to get me. Looking for ways to take away more of my freedoms and imprison me.

I also hear the girls are gorgeous. True?
>> Anonymous
>>62126
you can't open coffeeshops. only the ones active today are allowed to be. you can't pass licence to anyone else, so when the ones owning the shops die or whatever the shop closes.
>> Anonymous
Dou you want to open a ''coffeehouse'' or ''coffeeshop''?
Cause you can ''only'' order coffee at a coffeehouse.. An ''only'' order ''Hasj'' or ''Wiet'' at a coffeeshop^^

Yep dutch people rock!
>> Anonymous
coffeeshop
>> Anonymous
coffeshit!
>> Anonymous
>>62128
lol, guess that fucked your dream, anon.
>> Anonymous
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The Kingdom of the Netherlands is in effect the best place in the world if you STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ROTTERDAM, its, if you were to move, the place they would dump you. all forgeiners are dumped in Rotterdam, or Almere. Both are epic fail and can best be discribed as African enclaves in Europe. Stay as North as you can.

Also the goverment though beter then anywhere in the world is still shit and pro-christian.

Also it good to remember that muslims are trying to fuck the dutch over so getting citizenship is alot harder for non-whites. With this comes the adapt or die, even though the dutch are extreemly tolerent of whites and asians, if you dont fucking learn to speak the fucking language, and dress orange when applicable you will be fucked over. as much as the dutch love you silly americunts they dont want to explain to every guy of the boat where you can get the best weed. also I made this handy map.

A'dam is just a tourist place leave there when your done seeing all the old stuff. it is not a good place to life.
>> Anonymous
>>62128
bullshit lie, They just opened a brand new one in Hilversum a block next to my school, I walk past it every day.
>> Anonymous
>>62135
Why do you only walk by? and dont walk in??
>> Anonymous
>>62139
only the tourists take the drugs, the dutch themselfs have one of the lowest drug uses percentages in the world
>> Anonymous
>>62133
that map is AMAZING
>> Anonymous
I want to move to Netherlands, open an air-conditioning business and spend the rest of my life living there and traveling south during vacations

-Finnfag
>> Anonymous
>>62133
Thanks for the tip on Rotterdam and Almere being bad places.
>> Anonymous
>>62133
Yeah right, because Amsterdam has no foreigners at all....
>> Anonymous
>>62133
I thought Belgium was an English puppet state historically ?
>> Anonymous
>>62164
historically yes, but lately (after ww1), thanks to the walloon part of belgium there shifting to france.

>>62157
THATS THE ENTIRE POINT, IF YOU WANT TO BE DUTCH IT ISNT SMART TO LIFE WITH FUCKING AMERICUNTS.
>> Anonymous
>>62126
well if you want to be dutch you beter start learning this song, its required by law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU
>> roar
>>62133

Leeuwarden is a really cool city, trust me. Many muslims in Friesland as well though. God I hate them.
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>>62152

You'll go broke.

OP: good luck.

Here's a better map.
>> Anonymous
>>62126

The current christianfail government is cracking down on weed use and growing because of their ZOMG moral standards and sucking up to America.
Still, they'll fail as usual and our weed culture'll be back to normal in a few years.
Though OP, the political climate is currently against just hopping over and starting a coffeeshop of your own like the guys over at Grey Area did.
I'd applaud you if you tried, anyway. Rock on.

Oh, and the native girls on average are tall, sandy-blonde to brown haired and most have great legs from cycling around all the time.
Fast food has been catching up to people though, jelly rolls are a lot more common than they used to be.

As for the Dutch government in general, it's omnipresent, but barely noticeable unless shit hits the fan somehow. Firmly rooted in the "Welfare State"-system, like Sweden and such, even though the old welfare state was canceled due to massive unemployment.
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>>62171
muslims is the canser killing the netherlands
wilders is the chemo.

newage fascism is albino.
get use to it.
>> Anonymous
>>62189

Reactionary faggots like you are the cancer.
>> Anonymous
>>62153

Rotterdam is actually not that bad. Plus, there's a shit ton of cool modern architecture there. Almere is bad, it has no saving points.
>> Anonymous
holland fucking owns, smoke weed in holland every day
>> Anonymous
>>62189
Enjoy your sharia.
>> Anonymous
Gray area? explain.

Where in the world can I just move, have a coffee shop, and take pictures of girls smoking pot, naked?
>> Anonymous
>>62235
Albania.
>> Anonymous
>>62183
>The current christianfail government

Arose entirely because you let so many muslims in. If you dutchfags were even half-way intelligent, you would vote Wilders in - kick out all the durka durkas - and then let the hippies back in on the condition that they stop letting sandniggers into the netherlands
>> Anonymous
>>62263
>>62189

Wilders is just a dumb shit riding the wave of resentment surrounding Islam, same with Verdonk.
They've got no agenda other than lol muslims suck and frankly, all of the PVV's statements not concerning Islam or the Koran have been laughable.
I'm just hoping the traditional parties'll get wise and combine their usual governmental plans with strongarming some urban terrorists instead of leaving the initiative to radical fringe parties.
>> Anonymous
>>62235

The Grey Area is a coffeeshop run by two American blokes who, much like OP, hopped over to Amsterdam because they liked the political climate and wanted to smoke loads of pot.
It's known for selling quality weed but don't offer a place to sit and chill, like most coffeeshops do.
>> Anonymous
>>62263
>kick out all the durka durkas
If you don't see how that would kill the economy, you are retarded. Unless you mean replace them with Slavs.

Just keep one thing in mind, when talking about immigration. Accepting immigrants is NOT charity. It's supposed to be a mutually beneficial agreement.
>> Anonymous
>>62303
>>62303
>>62303

could you give me a website or an e mail address or a mailing address for the gray area? I'd really love to get in contact with them to find out some sort of information for staring up a business like that.
>> Anonymous
Remember that Holland and the Netherlands are the same.
>> Anonymous
>>62314

There's www.greyarea.nl, though it's more of a fansite it has plenty of info.

Also, http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/Grey.html has contact information including email.

Who knows if/how they'll respond to your mail, I wonder if they give a shit about coffeeshop starters after 12,5 years in the biz. It's worth a shot, anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>62317

And to add, I've heard that Willie Wortel's Coffeeshop in Haarlem does workshops on how to run a proper coffeeshop, it might be worth it to check it out.
The owner seems keen on spreading the coffeeshop ways to England and such so he might be willing to help out foreign enthousiasts.
>> Anonymous
>>I just want to live somewhere I can feel free, I want to live somewhere where I wouldn't constantly feel like the government is against me, out to get me. Looking for ways to take away more of my freedoms and imprison me.

That's the exact same reason I'm getting the fuck out of The Netherlands. The president is a massive christian failure and the vice-president used to be a manager for Shell so it's not all that different from the US. It's all based around christian and oil interests.

All the corporations you rely on for energy, transportation, healthcare, etc. have been privatized and are making record profits while life is getting worse and worse. Police is everywhere and can hold you for 72 hours if you fail to show identification, fines for everything are made higher and higher all the time and people who can't pay their tickets are sent to jail.

The coffeeshops aren't worth it either, they're all owned by criminals and foreigners and most other countries in Europe are milder than The Netherlands these days when it comes to drugs. If I were you I'd go to Canada or something, don't have to learn another language and they're pretty liberal when it comes to drugs anyways.
>> Anonymous
Well, where would you guys go so you can spend all your time focusing on herbal splendors and photography? So you could make a SAFE LEGAL income with the greener pleasantries of life, and photography. With some decent opportunities to hire attractive models ?
>> Anonymous
Well, obviously, you'd need Citizenship. And go school for business management, this is common fucking sense.
>> Anonymous
>>62321
Miami. And no one cares about fucking weed. You're probably like 14, right?
>> Anonymous
>>62348

troll and/or stupid. Weed is business and worth a shitload of money.
Even better if you can operate and sell (semi)legally.
>> Anonymous
>>62304
No. While immigration is useful for jobs the natives don't want to do anymore it is still overall a big liability. Also the matter is not merely economical but cultural too. Accepting immigrants dilute the sense of identity and togetherness in a country. it's okay for a very individualistic and ethnically heterogeneous country like the US where everyone is supposed to fend for himself but not in countries with strong welfare states and etnically homogeneous. Why would you pay for your neighbor if he has nothing in common with you (and sadly no "we are all humans" is not a satisfactory answer).
>> Anonymous
>>62348

I'm not a fan of Maimi.
>> Anonymous
>>62126
Heh, based off of the reasons you mentioned, maybe Nederland is not your wise choice
>> Anonymous
>>62142

Yes anon, we know that's what your teenagers told you. And they speak true, as do teenagers all over the world.

BTW, the US invades other countries because we want peace. Really.
>> Anonymous
>Netherlands
>I also hear the girls are gorgeous.
I lol'd.
>> Anonymous
>>62382

Accepting immigrants does not dillute the sense of togetherness. At least it wouldn't, if you'd actually accept them. Instead of keep calling them allochtonen even though they were born here and keep blaming Moroccans for everything.

Guys like Wilders only make it worse.
>> Anonymous
>>62556
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2967758.ece
>> Anonymous
>>62556
Actually, the Moroccan culture is part of the problem. Young Dutchmen with a Moroccan heritage refuse to accept traditional Dutch values and cause a lot of friction. For some reason, the Turks and Chinese seem perfectly capable of doing this.
>> Anonymous
i dunno
>> Anonymous
>>62573

It's pretty puzzling, really. Young moroccans just can't seem to handle living in such a "cramped" society with people stuck so close to eachother.
Also, Dutch Turks seem a lot more sensible, as opposed to the problems in Germany.
>> Anonymous
>>62382
>Why would you pay for your neighbor if he has nothing in common with you
No, you don't pay for your neighbor, you pay for yourself. So you find the social state by your side when you need it yourself. Think of it like insurance. Also, they do have something in common with you, you all live in the same country, sharing a future, if not a history.

>>62573
>the Turks (...) seem perfectly capable of doing this.
Really? Honest question. I heard that the general stereotype about Turks in the Netherlands was that they are petty thieves.
>> Anonymous
>>62596
since other immigrants are showing up more (marrocs), turks are okay and marrocs are durka durka jihad mohammed

(this counts for belgium, probably for dutchland too)
>> Anonymous
Netherlands are fine if you don't care about all the dikes.
>> Anonymous
>>62596

I live in a mostly Turkish neighbourhood, never had any problems.

Not with Moroccans either. I think the problems mostly stem from the us vs. them feelings that the right wing created. Nooo, they're trying to take over our country! Tsunami of islamisation noo!
>> Anonymous
>>62628
More like the Moroccan attitudes to certain things. There have been a number of incidents now where ambulance personnel got harassed by young folk from Moroccan descent threatening to kill them if their bleeding friend dies, or simple refusing to let them pass to treat an injured person. One incident escalated in a group of them assaulting an ambulance worker.

I don't care if that's acceptable in Morocco, you simply don't do that in our country.
>> Anonymous
>>62556
>Accepting immigrants does not dillute the sense of togetherness. At least it wouldn't, if you'd actually accept them.

It works both way. You can't accept them if they don't accept to give up their former culture and become fully Dutch.
>> Anonymous
>>62626
>>62626


hot dikes or fat dikes
>> Anonymous
>>62646
Yeah, crucial point there. Answer that.
>> Anonymous
>>62126
fkin lol as much as you want to,
ive been around the world and Holland has the
most beautiful girls per square meter than any place ive been. AND YES IVE BEEN TO RUSSIA
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>>62646
big black dikes, motherfuckers
>> Anonymous
Holland is all good, if u can accept that the chinese and vietnamese people are baking ur fries.
You're good to go
>> Anonymous
>>62674

Those are invariably the worst.
>> Anonymous
>>62674

Get your lazy ass to Vlemmincx Sausmeesters to sample some proper fries.
>> Anonymous
>>62763

Reitz in Maastricht!
>> Anonymous
>>62674

I know I'm in 4chan, but jeez, you eurofags are racist.
>> Anonymous
>>63174

hey screw u!
if they dont do shit about it fast,
fries will be known as an oriental dish in 200 years!
>> Anonymous
Rule 1 for amerifags.

NEVER smuggle words, i hate that SO FUCKING MUCH.

If you dont know a word ask for it, dont use a english word just because we all speak english.