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Anonymous
i was in st. petersburg for 10 days , and what i have to say is that , THE GIRLS THERE ARE FUCKIN HOT

pic related , its in st. petersburg
>> Anonymous
That picture is so typical of what I see in my minds eye when I think of St. Petersburg

Yuppies & Amerikkkana culture.
>> Anonymous
>>64064
welcome to every major city in the world
>> Anonymous
SURPRISE BUTTSEX IS UNEVITABLE
>> Anonymous
to fuckin skinny
>> Anonymous
I'm reminded of a passage in "America: The Book" that states that Russian women are known for their beauty and their hardiness and the speed with which one becomes the other.

>>64064

Not like St. Petersburg was ever exactly a bastion of native Russian culture. It was intentionally designed in the style of the Western European capitals of the day during Peter the Great's drive to modernize and Westernize Russia. So if it wasn't one foreign culture on parade, it would be another.
>> Anonymous
>>64086
i know , i know , everything was designed by european architects , every church and building and cathedral and etc...
>> Anonymous
>>64084
oh look a black man
>> Anonymous
OP, I know what you mean. I've been there. It's truly amazing, every woman is hot in St. Petersburg. I was too distracted by the women to even notice where the fuck I was.
>> Anonymous
>>64094

or a Brazilian of any color...
>> Anonymous
>>64063
so true
>> Anonymous
they one on the left is mine... GTFO from GIRLS WESTFUCKINGFAGS
>> Anonymous
>>64084
you must be one of those guys who claims to like girls "with the meat on the bones"
>> Anonymous
>>64284
the ones that don't realize that outside of America, this kind of body is usually considered the norm.
>> Anonymous
Wow..I live in Toronto where you see nothing but pakkis and ugly chinese girls walking around everywhere, with the odd fat white chick struggling to cross the street in time. I'm jealous.
>> Anonymous
Because of this thread I downloaded over 10GB of Russian porn last night.
>> Anonymous
A city not filled with disgusting ugly minority women?

What the fuck europe.
>> Anonymous
>>64296
What do you mean? She's a woman in Europe not wearing a burqa, whats the matter with her?
>> Anonymous
ITT: Slavic filth.
>> Anonymous
Damn.
>> Anonymous
OP here
if im going to russia/st.petersburg again , then especially because of the woman , omg theyre so fuckin hot there
i didnt see any fat women , all do have the perfect body and face , also no pakis or niggraz , only a little little bit azns
and its like 75-80% of all ppl there are blond
>> Anonymous
>>64432

>i didnt see any fat women

it's called poverty, AKA the best weight-loss program in history.
>> Anonymous
What's the point of going to a city of hot women when they'll never get with fat, basement-dwelling fucks such as yourselves?
>> Anonymous
ITT: Russian women.
>> Anonymous
I have an apartment in St.Petersburg but the last time I was there was 5 years ago. Don't rememeber too many hot girls in particular, but 5 years is a long time, I guess and I didn't go to any clubs/bars/whatever.

OP, did you get any action?
>> Anonymous
>>64467
lol
it was an school exchange programme , im actually 18 , i'd love to have any action , but there was no fucken time , we always went to boring musems and other cultural stuff
>> Anonymous
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>>64449
ah , and no , there is no real poverty , i saw only 2 bums..
not as in the states , the social structure is equal
the effect is that the most ppl of st petersburg are living like this
>> Anonymous
>>64471

except an educated russian make 15k a year and an educated american make 50k
>> Anonymous
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>>64449
Actually, poverty in industrialized countries = fat. Cheap food = fattening, healthy food = expensive. That's why all those trailer trash rednecks and black sistas in the South need forklifts to get around. They just eat KFC and McDonalds all day because it's affordable and easy.

>>64473
When you take purchasing power and disposable income into account the gap isn't nearly that large. Everything costs half as much in Russia (pic related), and they can actually spend more of their income (as opposed to taxes, bills etc..)

And 50k? wtf? That's what construction workers and garbage truck drivers get payed.
>> Anonymous
>>64480
funny because places like mcdonalds etc. are more 'upscale' where I live, and with relatively higher prices. I went to a Burger King in the US and it looked like a concentration camp - though I must admit it tasted better
>> Anonymous
>>64473
Commie educated Russian > Average faggot American

Sorry, it's the truth. Make as many worthless trinkets as you want - doesn't change the end result.
>> Anonymous
>>64480
>That's what construction workers and garbage truck drivers get payed.
Yeah right, as if they make that much lol
>> Anonymous
>>64608
actually, construction workers and garbage men make very good livings in the U.S.
>> Anonymous
>>64397
This is board is called TRAVEL. If you are ignorant and have never visited another country, you should not be here.
>> Anonymous
>>64588
fucking moron , i see u are a stupid american faggot , idiot
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7126388.stm
russia is even better then ur country
>> Anonymous
>>64609
Oh really? The more you know!
>> Anonymous
>>64619
obvious troll is obvious
>> Anonymous
>>64669
lolwut? nobody is trollin
>> Anonymous
>>64432
Genetically impossible, but there are more, I would agree with you.

Like someone commented St Petersburg was founded with the express intention of westernizing Russia and modernizing its economy in the 18th century. If you want more typical Russian culture, Moscow is more classically 'Russian', although TBH I prefer Petersburg. My favourite Russian city is oddly Novosibirsk and I have my own personal reasons for this. Eastern Russians are more beautiful IMO even though they are racially shunned by some in the west. Russia is very racist.
>> Anonymous
>>64084

Any time I see "I AM A PLUS SIZE GAL" in the dating profiles I send her an email calling her a fat ugly hog
>> Anonymous
>>64471
In Russia the big cities are rich. If you want to see the horrible poverty most Russians live under then you have to leave the big cities.
>> Anonymous
>>65364
>>65364
>the horrible poverty

Horrible poverty compared to what? Sweden? If you want to see horrible poverty try taking a visit to India, Brazil or Nigeria. That said, lower class families in Moscow are comparatively poorer than in other parts of the country because everything is so much more expensive there.
>> Anonymous
>OP's pic

I'm lovin' it.
>> Anonymous
>>65367Horrible poverty compared to what? Sweden?

Yes. Because Russians always have to put on this act like they're a first world country. Whereas in fact, its level of development is more like that of Mexico. And Mexico is a fine country with fine people. But Mexicans have a realistic understanding of where their country fits in with the rest of the world. Russians might also, somewhere in the back of their reptilian minds, but you wouldn't know it from talking to them.
>> Anonymous
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>>65379
Mexico? You joking nigga? The poverty conditions in Russia are a lot better than Mexico, that's for damn sure. The difference is that Russia (and all of Eastern Europe for that matter) is fully industrialized, while Mexico is not, so even those in poverty still have electricity, heat, running water etc..unlike in Mexico where a large portion of the population lives in giant slums with tiny little shacks all squished together.
>> Anonymous
>And Mexico is a fine country with fine people

obvious troll is obvious, nothing to see here.
>> Anonymous
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>>65379
Hey it's that one guy that goes around trolling in every Russia thread. I recognize your writing style and how you always compare Russia to Mexico (wtf?), while projecting Mexicans as "fine decent people". (lol)

Kindly fuck off, and let people who've actually been out of their basements and visited/plan to visit these countries converse. We don't need another trollfest Russia thread where people spam over 9000 economy/poverty maps just because you can't come to grips with how shitty your country is. The outcome is always the same, that is to say, you aren't going to win the argument and you never will, no matter how hard you try. Mexico is the anus of the world, I'm sorry to say, and if it were bordered with Russia, people would be flooding over there just the same.

Pic related, I got it off Encarta. Enjoy ur stay at Mexicos finest Hotel (:
>> Anonymous
>>65397
I have yet to see Mexican women trying to whore themselves out to foreign men to escape the poverty. Also freezing to death is still a regular occurrence in Russia.
>>65367
The Russians outside of the big cities have the same quality of life as their serf ancestors. Some have it better but not much.
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>>65410
>I have yet to see Mexican women trying to whore themselves out to foreign men to escape the poverty

That's because they just hop the fence with their entire family. Pic related
>> Anonymous
>>65411
Oh wait that doesn't even count illegal immigration, my bad.
>> Anonymous
>>65411
lolpoland
>> Anonymous
>>65410
What wealthy American man would want to marry a wetback housewife with 6 kids? That only works if the girl is attractive and has no baggage attached.
>> Anonymous
>>65379
Surprisingly, this anon speaks the truth.
I grew up in a small town of 5000 in the middle of Russia. Than I koved to a city wit a population of 1200000. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Houses with dirt floors and families surviving only because they grew up some potatoes, as parents did not get paid in 2 years. Teenagers sniffing glue and going on a stubbing spree, killing 2 people. Schools, that had their power and water cut out because government did not pay for it in time. Entire towns drinking into stupor, as there is no job to find. Siblings who have to share one pair of boots. All those... moments will be lost in time... like... tears..in rain.
You tell me about firts world country? Fuck that, man, I am not going to hear your bullshit.
Of course things a little bit better right now, aspecialy in big cities. Thats where all the money are. Moscow, Spb, N.Novgorod, Volgograd, Ekb, Novosibirsk, Vladivostok - you can find yourself a job and get a nice living in there. Heck, nowasays a salary of $1000 in Moscow is considered small. But move a little farther, move to small towns and villages. Thats a 3rd world conditions. No power, as all wires were stolen, no gas as it has never been there, any ideas of plumbing and running water got burried together witn SU, and so people continue to use outside toilets and wells.
Russia has 1st world capital, 2nd world big cities, and majority of rural inhabitants living in a 3d world. No wonder people hate those from Moscow. No wonder people want SU back.
But who am I talking to, all you can see is "OMG THEM RUSIN GIRLS BE HOT" Protip, though: russian women stay beautiful until 25-30, and then overnight turn into 150kg fat always angry ladies. Enjoy your cancer.
>> Anonymous
>>65416
So you grew up in post USSR Russia, and now you're in your late teens or early adulthood I'd assume? Russia really was apoor country in the 90s, things went to shit, fast. But things have changed a lot since then. Where do you live now?
>> Anonymous
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>>65416
>russian women stay beautiful until 25-30, and then overnight turn into 150kg fat always angry ladies. Enjoy your cancer.

orly?
>> Anonymous
>>65420
Things didnt change much. I travel a little bit farther than Moscow, I talk to a lot of people. In 1990 the country errupted, and after that it went through the hellish 90s. Now things stabilized, but if you look at a big picture... Russia is just another banana rpublic. The biggest one, but still not a real 1st world country. There is no industry in Russia exsept for raw resources extraction. Whatever survived 90s is now rotting, forgotten by government. Things were shit, things are a bit better now, but looks like it will be shit again in the next 5-10 years. People are dying off, modernt institutes and universities release students who dont know shit. What a german student can learn in his spare time in a month, russian student has trouble even grasping, spending an entire year. Trades education is fucked too.
Nah, man, it is a second world country. Russia might become powerfull and prosperous again, but not untill at least 2050.
>> Anonymous
>>65423
Ukrainian whore who spends $15 million a year for plastic surgeries and cosmetics.jpg
Dont pretend that you didnt understand me, I was talking about average women. You know, 90% of them. There is 10% of others, who have means, desire, and nature to support their beauties, but generally...
Well, how about you get yourself a russian 28yo waifu and report back in 5 years?
>> Anonymous
>>65416
>>65379
>>65426
Samefag pretending to be Russian, poor impression.

You might have had me convinced if it weren't for your second reply. Stay consistent, better luck next time.
>> Anonymous
I grew up in a small town of 5000 in the middle of Mexico. Than I toved to a city wit a population of 500000. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Houses with stone floors and families surviving only because they grew up some 26 kids to work for them, as parents did not get paid in 3 years. Teenagers sniffing poo and urine in bottles and going on a stubbing spree, killing 2 people. Schools, that had their power and water cut out because government did not pay for it in time. Entire towns smoking crack into stupor, as there is no job to find except in the america. 16 siblings who have to share one pair of boots and take turns. All those... moments will be lost in time... like... tears..in rain.
You tell me about firts world country? Fuck that, man, I am not going to hear your bullshit.
Of course things a little bit worse right now, aspecialy in big slums. Thats where all the deadend jobs are. you cant find yourself a job and get a nice living in there anywhere. Heck, nowasays a salary of $1000 in Mexico city is considered millionair. But move a little farther, move to small towns and villages. Thats a 4rd world conditions. No power, as all wires were stolen, no gas as it has never been there, any ideas of plumbing and running water got burried together witn corrupt leaders, and so people continue to use outside toilets and wells and sheepfor sex.
Mexico has 3rd world capital, 3nd world big cities, and majority of rural inhabitants living in a 3d world. No wonder people hate those from Mexico city, No wonder people want to move to amiericas to be practicly slave.
But who am I talking to, all you can see is "OMG THEM MEXICO GIRLS BE UGLY" Protip, though: mexico women stay ugly until 25-30, and then overnight turn into 150kg fat always angry ladies and get ugliar. Enjoy your housemaide tho they are ver good at that.
>> Anonymous
>>65430
That
>>65379
wasnt me, ??????? ?? ???????.
>> Anonymous
>>65432
congratulations you know how to work copy/paste!

FFS stop ruining threads
>> Anonymous
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I grew up in a small town of 20 in the south of the US. Then, I hoved to a city wit a population of 40000. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Houses with packed dirt floors and families surviving only because they grew up on welfare, as parents did not work in 7 years. Teenagers getting pregnant and huffing gas and going on a breeding spree, spawning 2 people. Schools, that had their ceilings fall down because government did not pay for it in time. Entire towns smoking tobacco into fog, as there is no job to find except in the north. 9 siblings who have to share one tractor and take turns. All those... moments will be lost in time... like... dust..in the wind.
You tell me about firts world country? Fuck that, man, I am not going to hear your bullshit.
Of course things a little bit worse right now, aspecialy in big trailor parks. Thats where all the deadend jobs are. you cant find yourself a job and get a nice living in there anywhere. Heck, nowasays a salary of $1000 in the county seat is considered millionair. But move a little farther, move to small towns and villages. Thats a 2nd world conditions. No high speed internets, as all wires were never installed, no gas as mom is afraid of it, any ideas of plumbing and running water got burried underground where they fucking belong, and so people continue to use outside toilets and wells and sheepfor sex.
US has 1st world capital, 2nd world big cities, and majority of rural inhabitants living in a 3rd world. No wander people hate those from New york city, No wander people want to move to Cincinnati to be practicly slave.
But who am I talking to, all you can see is "OMG THEM WHITE TRASH GIRLS BE PREGNANT" Protip, though: redneck women stay ugly until death, and then overnight turn into worm food always rotting ladies and get ugliar. Enjoy your housemaide tho they are ver good at that.
>> Anonymous
>>65433
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>> Anonymous
>>65437
Nice copy pasting skills there

Google translator:
And who are you really? Who are you, bastard Para Para, vsha vonyuchaya, pizdyuk without hands blja. Divorced here hetu, Bab them our lodge, gadenysham! And I also, blyat, life will be taught, like how I nihuya Russia does not understand. Sidi, stsuko, and more drochi its Chinese pornography. Here, zhezh damn fag povylazili!
>> Anonymous
>>65437
? ????????? ??????????? ??? ???? ????? ?????????? ??? ?? ???????. ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ?????, ??? ??? ????, ?????????? ???? lolol.
>> Anonymous
>>65434

Yankee Appalachia Hillbillies can top that any day

The south sucks at everything, including being poor
>> Anonymous
lol ruskies
>> Anonymous
>>Ukraine

perfect for poontang, no visa
>> Anonymous
>>65444
hehe actually all ppl who dont live in the us are thinking that e.g. florida fucking rules , but it fucking sucks , kinda like everybody who gets there , wants the fuck out of there
>> Anonymous
>>65416
>>65429
>Protip, though: russian women stay beautiful until 25-30, and then overnight turn into 150kg fat always angry ladies.

I am going to step into the defense of Russian women here. While the Russian women who are old now (babushkas) are actually quite unpleasant (both looks-wise and attitude-wise) the Russians born in the 80s, 90s and 2000s are going to be different. Those attractive ladies in OP's pic are living in a country vastly different from that in which their parents & grandparents grew up in. I see no reason to believe that they are going to turn into Shrek after hitting 30s. They certainly take great care of themselves. Russian men on the other hand still have a lot of catching up to do to get to the "Western standards" but that too will happen eventually.
>> Anonymous
>>66009
I took a vacation to Florida once, I thought it was pretty nice actually. Then again i was only 10.
>> PassCloud !!OwYNO44p0Gq
>>66027
florida is a shithole

don't ever go there
>> Anonymous
>>65407

Actually no, but I saw the same thread, and that's where I got the idea of the Mexico comparison, which was brilliant. The key to the humor is that, with the Russia apologists, everything always comes back to the skin color. You can point to the poverty, the sleaze, and the pervasive criminal tendencies at all levels of society, but the skin color is the same as the civilized Europeans, so they can't possibly be a developing country... right? Right? Anyone? No?

Also inb4 slowpoke.jpg
>> Anonymous
>>66073
>with the Russia apologists, everything always comes back to the skin color

BAWWWWW RACISTS!!!1 Well at least we know you're just a butthurt Mexican now.

Honestly, it's the fact that they aren't illiterate, uneducated fucks like Mexicans and they actually have potential to be on par with the west. Maybe that has to do with skin colour, maybe it doesn't, but to me that makes no difference. The fact is though that they'll be a first world country by 2015-2020 whereas Mexico will always be lagging behind as a third world country.

Case in point, IMF estimates of GDP PPP per capita for the next 5 years. Note how the gap between Mexico and Russia almost triples, countries like Belarus, Kazakhstan and Bulgaria fly past Mexico in ranking, and the gap between Mexico and the west is staying relatively the same if not growing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_per_capita_estimates_(PPP)

Anyways, Russia is a developing country, no doubt about that, but there's a difference between Eastern Europe developing and third world developing. If you don't understand what the difference is between Russia and Mexico, Poland and South Africa, Ukraine and China, Estonia and Libya etc...well you're just plain uneducated (a Mexican perhaps?)
>> Anonymous
Guys, settle down, no need to fight.
Both your countries are shit holes.
>> Anonymous
>>66155
Nah, I'm the post above yours and my country is better than both (Aussiefag). I'm just trying to talk some common sense into this whiny Mexican.
>> Anonymous
>>66101BAAWWW I'm white and barbaric

The fact that you're typing in all caps means the comparison hit pretty close to home. And no, of course I'm not Mexican, I could just as easily have compared Russia to India* or South Africa* and then you'd be "accusing" me of being one of them. Spoiler: nobody with any self respect wants to be compared to Russia.

*both actually inhabited by fine people, I might add. Unlike Russia.

Sage because this thread doesn't need any more bumpage.
>> Summer Glau
>>64873
That would imply you are genuinely retarded/ignorant, which explains why discerning < and > is too much for your meager mental capabilities, which in turn could have been an antithesis to both your and>>64588's claims, as you are obviously a butthurt Russian faggot - except;
1-You are obviously underage, hence not commie-educated
2-Exceptions don't change the rule

Therefore, even though we are facing a particularly retarded breed of Russian here, I'd rank the average Russian over average American in terms of education.
>> Anonymous
If it weren't for Western Civilization, you Russians would still be herding raindeer in Siberia while wearing nothing but checkered pantaloons and humongous moustaches.
>> Anonymous
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Saying:
"but Russia has good education!"
"they are white, they will catch up"
"mexico has more gang problems"
"bawwwwwwwwwwwww"

...is mere speculation. The fact of the matter is that today, Russia is a developing country. It has shitty living standards, lots of poverty outside the main cities, a life expectancy below 68 years, an authoritarian government, still some gangsters and radical islamists on the loose, and a weak economy dependent on oil exports.

Whether Russia does well or not in the years to come depends on its people and government, and so far they have shown little intentions to open up their economy or political system to civilized progress. This, in the long term, will cause stagnation.

You may argue all day whether Russia or Mexico are better to live in, but the bottomline is that both countries are third world and should face that fact - temporary or not.

I'm Malaysian, and I accept that my country is part of the developing world.
Why can't Russians do the same?
>> Anonymous
>>66179

Because russia has always been the retarded (and brutish) cousin of Europe and has always aspired to the same heights.
Tsarism, Communism, whatever they tried, they failed.
That's creating anger.
>> Anonymous
>>65426
>>65416
>>65432

Dude, I'm such a sucker for stories like that. ;-;
When I read that, I can actually hear a sad Russian accent in my head.
Trolling or not, I BAWWW'd like the hueg faggot I am.
>> Anonymous
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>>66161here again.

>and so far they have shown little intentions to open up their economy or political system to civilized progress. This, in the long term, will cause stagnation.

Oh so you're one of THOSE people, who still thinks the western way of doing things is the only way. I guess no one informed China of that. Or Russia for that matter, considering how much better they've been doing since they stopped taking tips from the west and stopped being "pro-America".

>I'm Malaysian, and I accept that my country is part of the developing world.

Malaysia isn't as bad as Mexico at least. But honestly you can't classify countries into two broad groups: developed and not developed, or first and third world. It's just way too simplistic and doesn't really accomplish or prove anything at all. When it comes down to it, Mexico is is full of uneducated starvin' marvins, Russia isn't. Even Ukraine, which has a GDP PPP per capita lower than Mexico and a relatively bad economy is still a far more developed and desirable country, if we're talking about the average citizens living in those countries.
>> Anonymous
Russian women are total bitches, though. Look, but don't touch I say.
>> ! Anonymous
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??? ? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????, ????????? ????? ???????? ??????.
>> Anonymous
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>>66179
I would love to go to your country some day. Actually, jockey back and forth between Thailand and Malaysia.
>> Anonymous
>>66179
>Saying:
"but Russia has good education!"
"they are white, they will catch up"
"mexico has more gang problems"
"bawwwwwwwwwwwww"
...is mere speculation.


How's that mere speculation? Things like education levels (Russia has one of the highest literacy rates in the world), criminal activity and so on can be (and are) measured. It sounds to me like you are the one saying "Bawww, people disagree with me because I can't prove my claims" and not the other contributors to this thread. Russia suffered a massive setback (in pretty much everything) once the Soviet Union collapsed but it is pretty obvious that Russia today is nothing like Mexico (I can't say anything about Malaysia, I haven't been there).
Have you been to Russia in the 90s after it became an independent country or in 1998 after the financial crisis? I have. It was truly miserable there back then. Compare to today and you'll see a rapidly growing middle class and fewer and fewer people below the poverty line.

Did you know that Russia the 7th largest economy in the world in purchasing power? Mexico is #12, Malaysia is #29. Take a look here, it's educational: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

And one point I hope even you will agree on: Russian girls are pretty damn hot indeed.
>> Anonymous
>>66234
sorry mate I don't think too many ppl here can read your language
>> Anonymous
>>64619

Spoon)? is that you?
>> Anonymous
The only reason Russia is a better place to live than Mexico is the leftovers from communism they still enjoy such as a good education system and whatnot, also the Russian economy grows pretty fast since the rest of Europe is addicted to their oil
>> Anonymous
>>66275
also most siberian cities are really terrible and there are places like Tuva in Russia that are less developed than Moldova and Bolivia
>> Anonymous
>>66101

>If you don't understand what the difference is between Russia and Mexico, Poland and South Africa, Ukraine and China, Estonia and Libya etc...well you're just plain uneducated (a Mexican perhaps?)

OH? And what's so great about the Ukraine that makes it so much better than China?
>> Anonymous
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>>66278
Nothing, that guy is just a racist faggot that thinks having a good education (Russia), is better than having good healthcare and life expectancy (Mexico), when in reality both are equally important.

You need to look at the big picture to see how developed a country is. And neither Mexico nor Russia fit the bill. One is strong in some things, but weak in others, and vice-versa.

>>66179
I agree, and arguing what countries are better than others is completely stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>66286
From a statistics point of view, you have to note the scale on that map and how it distorts the results. There's an extra level, 75, which puts countries like the US, which has a life expectancy of 77 or so in a different category. Otherwise, it would be in the same category as Eastern Europe and a few developing nations.
>> Anonymous
>>66286
>good healthcare and life expectancy (Mexico),

hahahahah wtf? Good healthcare? Mexico? Are you sick? The healthcare system in Russia sucks, but that's not why the life expectancy there is so low. It's actually a really complicated issue that I've read up a lot on. I'm not going to waste my time explaining here though, you people are morons.

>>66278
Hmm where to start..Ukraine has a way better education system, it's fully industrialized, there are far less people living in poverty, everyone has electricity and clean water, they don't censor the internet to near uselessness, more media freedom, you can have as many kids as you want, and you can actually vote for your leaders there.

Oh, and their prime minister is hot.
>> Anonymous
>>66291

True on the political things, but according to the UN Human Development Index, Ukraine is just barely above China, 5 ranks higher. It should be much easier for them to have a high quality of life since they don't have to support over a billion god damn people. Not to mention China is rapidly developing, much faster than the Ukraine, so they will probably eclipse them soon, which is similar to your "Russia will be a first world country by 2020" argument in your previous post.

You just have this weird fixation on Soviet Bloc countries all becoming first world powers while leaving everyone else behind in the dust.
>> Anonymous
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>>66291
I know an Ukrainian girl over the internet, and I doubt it is as good as you claim, considering that she always tells me she wants to get out of there.

The internet in China might be censored, but at the end of the day, more Chinese people have internets than Ukrainians, as a percentage of population. So what's better, really?
>> Anonymous
>>66295
China still has 8 million people without electricity. Less than half its population has access to proper sanitization, 10% of its population is illiterate, and about 10% of its population is undernourished. Only 40% of its population is urbanized.

Those stats can all be found in the human development report. You need to look at the individual stats to get a real grasp on things, not the overall score. Frankly I'm not sure how China's overall score is so high in the first place.
>> Anonymous
>>66296
I don't think Ukraine is a "good" place to live, but it is compared to China. Oh and you're wrong about internet usage, Ukraine has 21% penetration, China 19%. That map is wrong.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
>> Anonymous
>>66298
The other guy is right, you clearly have a fixation with Eastern Block countries. You do know that there's also hunger and undernourishment in countries like Ukraine, Serbia or Slovakia, right?

Russia's murder rate is not too different to Mexico's. And a literacy rate of at least 90% is good enough to reach the developed world, as the examples of Portugal and Greece show us.

So really, ex ante, there's no reason to conclude that Russia would reach the developed world before Mexico, except for a couple of IMF estimates that only go until 2015 and are revised every year, and your racism implicit in every post.
>> Anonymous
>>66299
>The other guy is right

That's the most obvious telltale sign of a samefag. Especially considering the fact that you replied so soon and use the same lame ass arguments and call me/him a racist. I'm not even the samefag that you were calling racist, there's nothing racist about the two posts I made in this thread. Please gtfo you failure of an anon.
>> Anonymous
>>66296
So, you know one person who lives there over the Internet and suddenly you're an expert on the Ukraine? How about you involve yourself in discussions of countries that you have _direct_ experience in?
>> Anonymous
>>66303
>How about you involve yourself in discussions of countries that you have _direct_ experience in?

if everyone took that advice we wouldn't have retarded threads like this
>> Anonymous
>>66302
I'm not a samefag, but I assumed you were because of how retarded your argument is.

Ukraine is better than China, marginally, but worse than Mexico or Turkey... so what then? What the fuck is your point? How are Eastern block countries better suited to reach the developed world before Mexico or Turkey outside of closeness to the EU?

China could certainly reach the developed world pretty soon, probably overtaking Russia in the process and even colonizing Siberia. What makes you think Russia is better positioned to the task than China, which has been consistently growing faster over a longer period of time?
>> Anonymous
>>66305
>China could certainly reach the developed world pretty soon, probably overtaking Russia in the process and even colonizing Siberia.

Wow you're dumb. That is all.
>> Anonymous
>>66307

The colonizing Siberia part is dumb, but the rest of the stuff is a fair argument.

China and Russia are actually similar in many ways; they're both large, sprawling countries, that had their economies fucked up by communistic policies and are just now recovering. Both have disproportionate amounts of national wealth concentrated in cities, leaving behind impoverished rural areas. So what makes you so damn sure that Russia is so much better?
>> Anonymous
>>66308
When was this ever a China vs. Russia debate? You sound like some paranoid schizophrenic defending your beloved country against non-existent attacks.

This whole thread is shit and filled with basement virgins who have never /trv/led anywhere in their life. sage
>> Anonymous
>>66308
>So what makes you so damn sure that Russia is so much better?

When was this ever a China vs. Russia debate? You sound like some paranoid schizophrenic defending your beloved country against non-existent attacks.

This whole thread is shit and filled with basement virgins who have never /trv/led anywhere in their life. sage
>> Anonymous
>>66310

I'm just making a point that this dude so fixated on Russia being way better than Mexico and all those other faggot non Eastern Europe countries and is poised, nay, DESTINED to be the new 1st world superpower, is using hypocritical arguments.
>> Anonymous
>>66312
>You sound like some paranoid schizophrenic
>> Anonymous
>>66308
actually Russia had its economy fucked horrendously by extreme economic liberalization, the reason its fixing itself now is because Yedinaya Rossiya have rolled back a ton of changes and are reverting to a mix of free markets and central planning