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tl;dr - Good places to live? Anonymous
Hypothetical situation here, /trv/:
I live in the United States. We'll assume by the time I move, I am fluent in English, French and German (Still learning German at the moment). I'll have a Doctorate of Psychology and would aim to open up a private practice. I have no family who would not move with me.

Where should I move? I've examined international rankings, politics, language demographics, etc. of a number of nations and have found a few that look good (Highlighted in the map) but I'd like to hear from those with better knowledge of the nations in question or other nations.

My main considerations would be job security, difficulty of language acquisition (And how easily I could get by with just the three I know) and, of course, a good standard of living.

Though the graph doesn't really reflect it, I'm open to moving to nations outside of North America and Europe - I just don't know much about most of them and, in many cases, would have a lot of trouble acquiring the native language.
>> Anonymous
>>47935
The Netherlands look nice, from what I know. Some 70% speak English, another 55% speak German and an additional 20% speak French so I'd have no problem conversing there. The politics are more agreeable than American politics are and the country is very much secular. It seems pretty progressive, which is nice. I've heard that the country is running into some nasty crime and labor problems though.

Sweden is agreeable for similar reasons.

I like the economic policies of France, the culture, the language. I know a few Parisians as well, though that doesn't really matter.
>> Anonymous
>>47941
Forgot to mention that I very much like the Dutch language. Whether I move there or not, I plan on picking it up.

And of course, my like for both French and Dutch apply to Belgium as well.
>> Anonymous
>>47941
Well then, what's your hurry? GTFO of my country.
>> Anonymous
>>47941
What do you mean by labor and crime problems ? Unemployment rate is the lowest in Europe and there's still a lot of jobs available. Haven't heard of many crime problems myself(never really had any problems with crime myself), crime is decreasing according to the statistics.

BTW. From what I've heard Dutch can be a hard language to learn, but I think it shouldn't be too bad if you're willing to spend some time on it.
>> Anonymous
>>47950
I'm not entirely sure. Off the top of my head I recall a Dutch 4channer on /trv/ saying that "Native Dutch are fleeing the country like crazy" - something about immigration.

I've been around German all my life and have no problem in learning it. I also acquire languages a bit better than most, but I'm not exactly a savant. I don't think it'll be that bad.
>> Anonymous
>>47941
The dutch are too politically correct to function and their government sucks nigger cocks (actual nigger cocks)

Go to Canada.
>> Anonymous
You will never learn Icelandic well enough for the natives not to laugh at it. But everyone you'll want to talk to will speak english.
>> Anonymous
>>47969
>>the Dutch...politically correct
Oh lulz. Oh fucking lulz.
>> Anonymous
French fag here.
Go to Canada.
>> Anonymous
No. Stay out of Canada. Go bug the Europeans, Freud.
>> Anonymous
Norfag here.

As said, the country is beautiful but expencive.

We're having negative unemplyment at the moment, so it'll be quite easy to find a job. (I make 145 kr, roughly 30 USD an hour. High living cost, high paying jobs.)

We're all supposed to speak english, but I would say that maybe 50-70% speaks well, the rest understands but have problems speaking it.

If you decide to come to Norway, move to Trondheim, Bergen or Stavanger. Any of the major cities, exept Oslo, are grand. Oslo is the herione capital of Europe, so it's quite much violence in a small city.

Sorry for the bad english, I'm going to bed now.
>> Anonymous
>>48003
This.
>> Anonymous
Switzerland would be my suggestion. Netherlands too, but Dutch is hard.
>> Anonymous
>>48003
One of the better perks of living in Norway, is that when you go abroad, EVERYTHING is extremely cheap, and buying things on-line is a laugh.

The language is in many way quite simple. We don't conjugate verbs and don't have cases. On the other hand, we have a few strange grammar rules, making it hard to read if your new to the language.

By the way, if you learn one scandinavian language, you understands the other two as well. Meaning, move to Norway and learn Swedish and Danish at the same time.
>> Anonymous
Canada is not really different from USA


Also you don't have to be citizen to live in a country

My choices: south of France or Switzerland
>> Anonymous
In my opinion skip Norway, Finland and Iceland, sucky countries.
>> PosterParent !!US5cDeFhONO
Don't go to Belgium. There's a better place above it called the Netherlands.

Belgium is divided in two parts; one where they speak Dutch, and one where they speak French. The French part has a LOT of poverty and unemployment, and that's also the reason that the other part wants to split Belgium in two different countries. Plus, Belgium is a lot more closer compared to the Netherlands. I lived in Belgium for a couple of years, and the people are really more on themselves, compared to the Netherlands. Also, the Netherlands have a lot more things to do entertainment/culture wise; and a good 85% speaks English (most Dutch children these days get bilingual lessons; both Dutch and English).
>> Anonymous
>>48003

the english part is a lie. everyone i know speaks english, they just don't have any english accent. some might be shy, but that doesn't make them bad at it.
>> Anonymous
Dear OP.

- Norway is expencive and you pay a lot of taxes. On the other hand, you earn a lot and the public welfare is very high. The only reason it's expencive is due to that the real wage is so high. It might be tough establishing, but you'll be okay. Also, there's a lot of good solutions if you're unemployed.

- The norwegian language is very simple, you just have to adapt to three new letters: Æ,Ø and Å (vowels). German and norwegian is very similar when it comes to words, but not grammar. Norwegian grammar is more similar to English than German.

The past year my family hosted a german exchange student (17), and she spoke almost fluid norwegian after 3-4 months (but she's very skilled language-wise). As earlier mentioned you'll also understand swedish and danish better (norway has words from both since we were pwnd by both some hundred years ago. but all the languages are from old norse/vikings). Also, there's a lot of different accents in different regions in norway. you might have problems understanding them all. there's also new norwegian as a second written language (about 20% speak it, 10% use it as their first written language).

- Living standars are very high. Norway has been ranked the best country in the world to live in, only this year being pwnd by Iceland. Healtcare is funded by taxing, so you don't pay in the same way as in the US.

any other qestions?
>> Anonymous
New Zealand is okay if you can put up with the rampant over political correctness, its just getting too fucking much over here. We have a wonderful country but stay away from auckland if you want to get to know what NZ is really like, auckland is just too commercial/international and you won't get the real flavour. But then again, the rest of the cities might bore you in comparison.
>> Anonymous
Finland is a very safe country, one of the safest in fact. The social security is adequate and the general living standards are very high. The Finnish education system is one of the best in the world (see e.g. OECD's PISA), with "free" school lunches (paid through taxes, but still) and professional teachers.

The downsides are high taxation and expensive living costs. The capital region (Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen) especially is an expensive area to live in.

It's harder to become really rich in Finland than in, say, America or even Germany, mainly because the pay for jobs that require a tertiary education is comparatively low. Also, Finland might not be the best option for you since, if you want to work, you'll have to master the Finnish language. Our neighbor's wife is an example of this. She's a Russian lady in her 40s with a high education in music, but because her Finnish is severely lacking, the jobs she could be qualified to do in Russia she can't simply get in Finland (like a teaching position in a conservatory). So, Finnish being a very challenging language, I doubt you'd be able to make a good career here in Finland.
>> Anonymous
>>48100

Protip: Political correctness is a term bandied about by those who refuse to be polite, courteous and respectful.

Protip II: There is no such thing as political correctness.
>> Anonymous
Dutch as a language can be tough to learn, especially the so called 'lidwoorden', which are a bit similar to prepositions, but they don't have a system. You just have to know which 'lidwoord' belongs to a word on its own, like table, chair, computer or horse.
Besides that, The Netherlands has many dialects in different regions, which can be hard to understand even to native speakers.

Besides the fucked up language, it's a great country. Mainly because of its freedoms. Freedom of speech (although nowadays you will be killed my muslim extremists if you don't watch your tong), freedom of soft-drugs, freedom of religion and all that stuff.

It is also quite a bureaucratic country with many, many rules and laws and so forth which can be a big pain in the ass for a starter.

As for problems in work and crime, they're none. In the work area, the Netherlands is doing great and crime rates are dropping as is said before.

Our real problems are immigration and religion. Over 10.000 white Dutch people leave the country each year, mostly to Australia. Many return within years though, because a lot is done for you, much more than most Dutch citizens realise. I'm talking about stuff like health care, schooling and work/unemployment.

Religion is a problem if you hate muslims. I do, and everyday I have to face that there are more niggers and muslims in my capital then there are regular Dutch people.

Good luck with your choice.
>> Anonymous
if you're thinking of moving to Scandinavia, Norway or Sweden is probably your best choices. Finnish is a rather hard language to learn and you can't understand the other Scandinavian languages if you learn it. If you move to scandi be advised that we are generally rather cautious with strangers and it can be hard to make freinds if you don't make an effort. Whatever you do, you must learn the language, you can do fine in scandi with only English but you'll be a lonely fuck. As said before scandi is very expensive, so you'll probably need a lot of money to get established here, but as soon as you get paid you'll be fine. I'm from Sweden btw.
>> Anonymous
Scandinavia sucks
theres nothing to see there and it's night during 6 month
>> Anonymous
>>48113
I'm from Sweden (last poster) and I concur. You'll get the highest life standard in the world and really high wage etc. etc. which seems to be OPs main concerns but you'll also be bored to hell. Bland culture, bland people, bland food, bland everything.
>> Anonymous
Move to Canada.
>> Anonymous
OP here.

The Netherlands are sounding good, as is Norway. Would like to hear more about Sweden, especially as compared to Norway.

Anyone know much about Andorra or the Czech Republic?

>>48095
All the two languages largely mutually intelligible? What's the real difference?

>>48104
The lidwoorden - are they like prepositions in French (And to a lesser extent, English) in that they are used in a number of idiomatic ways? Or are they like articles in most European languages (In structure, not function) in that you have to memorize which applies to which object, much like the gender in articles?
>> Anonymous
>>48574
Fuck you,

The rest of me fellow travelers please ignore this faggot OP impersonator
>> Anonymous
>>48585
...why do you think I'm an impersonator?
>> Anonymous
I live in Germany, and I can say this: Go for any German-speaking country except Germany. It's going downhill here, but take Austria for instance: High wages, nice country and they are kinda down-to-earth :)
>> Anonymous
OP I don't know from which part of the U.S. you
are but you might want to consider SNOW.

I don't know how bad Scandinavia gets it, but
here in Canada it's a solid 8 months of low
light and low temperatures and 6 months of snow.
Remove the snow and this place would be fucking
perfect.
>> Anonymous
>>48604
Vancouver area rarely gets snow
As long as you know which parts of town to stay the fuck away from it wouldn't be a bad place to set up a practice
>> Anonymous
>>48604

I live on the West Coast and it is beautiful here. It has been hovering above 20 degrees celcius (70+ ?) for weeks, and the air is cleaner than anywhere I've been. It will snow MAYBE 3 times a year, if that. Also, we're polite.
>> Anonymous
>>48604
Georgia gets maybe a night of snow every two years, so I wouldn't know anything about that.
Is it much of a problem even in the cities?
>> Anonymous
>>48613
>>48625
Well f you too. Just kidding I love BC and the climate is indeed very different west of the Rockies. A friend of the family was considering moving back from Vancouver since it was so expensive, any comments?

>>48627
>Is it much of a problem even in the cities?
Nah cities are well equipped to deal with snow.
It is definitely not so much the snow itself as the SOUL-CRUSHING depression from the lack of light. I love trees and other green things and they're either dead or asleep for like 3/4 of the year. I still enjoy it very much here but it's something to take into account.

As an aside it's hilarious to see people further south trying to zwip-zwop to their summer tire-equipped cars while wearing leather shoes and a rain coat when it does snow over there... Take a bus, eh?
>> Anonymous
>>48574
You pretty much just have to know which lidwoord you have to use for each word. There are some "rules" but they are pretty vague.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>48658
>Bitches don't know about my winter road conditions.
>OP from Canada

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be a problem.
>> Anonymous
>>48848
When did I say I was from Canada? I said I was from Georgia in the States.
>> Britian David Murphy
You'd certainly find job security if you went to a NHS practice in Britian, theres a certain amount of red tape but it's a fantastic system
>> Anonymous
>>48860
Is Britian anything like Britain? Because I sure as fuck don't want to go to Britain.