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Two Junji Ito raw torrents that appeared on the internet.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org./?page=torrentinfo&tid=3564
The smaller one which contains Voices in the Dark 1 & 2, Mimi's Ghost stories, and Hellstar Remina.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org./?page=torrentinfo&tid=3563
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>> Anonymous
Are these really in Japanese? There have been low quality Korean scans floating around for a while and I already have those.
>> Anonymous
if only someone would scanlate those...
>> Anonymous
>>193744
OK weeaboo faggot. They've already been scanned so the proper term is, brace yourself, TRANSLATE. Stop trying so hard.
>> Anonymous
hmm you got to love that lovecraft-esc horror
>> Anonymous
Fucking awesome. I wish someone would translate these, either fans or Dark Horse (who licensed all of Ito's stuff, IIRC). Dark Horse seems to be really slow with his stuff.
>> Anonymous
>>193883

Dark Horse only licensed the first 3 volumes of the Ito Collection. They *planned* to license and translate the rest but extremely poor sales on volumes 1-3 convinced them to drop that.
>> Anonymous
>>193889
Fuck! Really? Goddamn it, why is it that none of the good manga sells, yet tripe like Inuyasha and Naruto sell like hotcakes?

Oh, right, it's because people are jibbering morons.
>> Anonymous
Well I`m guessing a lot of Junji Ito fans already had most of what Dark Horse put out ie of the 3 books 2 are Tomie books.
Tomie is fine as long as you don't have it, but it`s not a Ito series most people would buy twice.

Even though I must admit they did a fine job on the package and all.
>> Anonymous
>>193889
>>193979
Naruto, bleach, and inuyasha are part of the problem, most bookstores or comic shops might not even order the museum of terror books because they rather have the high selling books. Not to mention that a lot of people haven't been exposed to Junji ito's works, although I think Viz is going to rerelease Uzamaki and Gyo closer to the end of the year.
>> Anonymous
Junji is a pretty hard sell. Japanese horror is more weird than scary, so it appeals to only a certain kind of audience here in the states.
>> Anonymous
As niche as japanese horror manga is in the US, I'm not surprised.
>> Anonymous
>>194055

I don't know I think stories like 'The Enigma of Amigara Fault' can appeal to a much wider audiance.
>> Anonymous
>>193979
>Oh, right, it's because people are jibbering morons.

Give people some credit. I think torrenting has something to do with it. Uzumaki is getting reprinted by Viz later this year, but I bet it will sell poorly due to the fact that most people already have it on their hard drive somewhere. It seems to work differently with some people though. I've ended up buying all of Ito's American-published works after I downloaded most of the them. Same with Hideshi Hino's. I also paid an arm and a leg trying to buy most of Maruo's stuff. You also have to remember that comics like these appeal to a niche audience. Not many people are into horror/weird/avant garde shit. :\

I'd like to think marketing has something to do with it too. I don't think many horror fans in general are aware of how great some of this stuff is. I'm sure some of the more jaded horror fans would flip their shit if they even knew of Ito, or even Suehiro Maruo.
>> Anonymous
Holy fucking shit. Junji Ito did a frankenstein story.
>> Anonymous
>>194073
>>Not many people are into horror/weird/avant garde shit. :\
True, which is a shame and makes up for the extremely poor number of Ito's releases here in Brazil (well, actually only one series so far, Uzumaki, which is awesome BTW). I am one of those "avant-garde" shit lover, so I was an instant Ito fan since the first time I saw one of his works.

However, as small as it may seem, I believe this very group people that likes this kind of stuff would buy them when they get printed -- at least I would, even if I have some of his works already scanlated. You know, it's different than having the stuff on your hard drive. You can literally take a magazine/book anywhere, read on the bus, subway, college, wherever, plus there's always the feeling of having it printed itself on your hands. That's exactly what made me import that Kagami artbook that was released by Lilith Soft (even though that's hentai, but what I mean is that it was worth it for several reasons :P).

>> Anonymous
>Junji is a pretty hard sell. Japanese horror is more weird than scary, so it appeals to only a certain kind of audience here in the states.

Yet for some reason UZUMAKI and AMIGARA get posted all over the internet all the time...

>I'm sure some of the more jaded horror fans would flip their shit if they even knew of Ito, or even Suehiro Maruo.

>> Anonymous
/r/ any of the above mentioned stuff

i've already read Gyo, shit was hot. and the OP pic looks cool too, but if it's raw i'm not gonna bother.
>> Anonymous
>>194192

http://rapidsearch.yi.org/?s=junji+ito
>> Anonymous
>>193979
Because too many people just download his stuff. I really, REALLY wanted Dark Horse to release his Frankenstein story, too fucking bad for me.
>> Anonymous
I don't care if naruto-fan releases it, I just want to read his stuff in english. He's probably Japan's most successful horror mangaka, I doubt he is living in a park with a tent made out of old ramen packages.
>> Anonymous
>>194208

People download everything. That doesn't stop literally tons of other titles from being successful. For fuck's sake, Dark Horse is currently publishing MPD PSYCHO and that was available as a scanlation for years and years before it finally got licensed. I still stand by what I said earlier. Dark Horse dropped the ball in a big way by making their first two volumes of Ito reprints of the TOMIE stuff. Not only did everyone interested in Ito already have those in some form or another, TOMIE also is hardly Ito's best work. I wouldn't even call those stories good. They are repetitive as hell and it gets annoying after about the third short. The third volume they published had some really kick-ass stories, though. The one with the self-mummifying Shinto priests seriously fucked with me, as did the one called BULLY.
>> Anonymous
>>194212

Although the art is kind of crappy on it I thought 'the face burglar was pretty good. Even if the museum of Terror series has been cancelled I'd like to see more of ito's stories translated, especially Hellstar Remina
>> Anonymous
>>194165

>Junji is a pretty hard sell. Japanese horror is more weird than scary, so it appeals to only a certain kind of audience here in the states.

>Yet for some reason UZUMAKI and AMIGARA get posted all over the internet all the time...

>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
yeah... too bad that Ito's stuff is a hard sell with retailers. I'd love hard copies (yeah, I'm that kind of loser; I prefer a book to just images, but whatever).
>> Anonymous
>>194354

agreed, besides when Cthulhu awakens and this civilization mombo jumbo goes down, it will be nice to have the hard copy
>> Anonymous
Tomie: Beginnings... Greatest movie ever or best movie ever?
>> Anonymous
>>194467

Are you crazy? The only thing worse than the TOMIE manga stories are those endless TOMIE flicks starring whatever annoying idol of the month that just outgrew pedo-bait bikini videos. But if you're into them you'll be pleased to hear that they are filming another one right now called TOMIE VS. TOMIE.
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>>194055
>Junji is a pretty hard sell. Japanese horror is more weird than scary, so it appeals to only a certain kind of audience here in the states.

This is where Amerikkkan "localization" comes in. If they want to sell more copies of Junji Ito's works to a wider audience, just add:

1) A bunch of lost, not especially bright, teenagers.
2) A serial killer or two, one or both of them who could be one of those teenagers.
3) Each chapter, one teenager dies a bloody death.
4) In the end, the do-gooder and his do-gooder female friend kill the serial killers and survive to tell the tale.
5) OH SHIT, M NIGHT SHYAWATERMELON-esque (spelling?) TWIST! Serial killer is still alive! Expect him in the sequel!
6) ???
7) PROFIT FOR PUBLISHER AND JUNJI ITO.
>> Anonymous
>I believe this very group people that likes this kind of stuff would buy them when they get printed -- at least I would,

I would to. If I like something, I like to own a proper, solid copy of it.
>> Anonymous
>>194491

No.
>> Anonymous
>>193687
I just want to comment on how fucking cool OPs pic is. Is the rest of this Ito guy's work similar to this?
>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
>>194545
yes. and more.
read Uzumaki or The Enigima of Amigara Fault... probably in /rs/.
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>>194545
Flesh Colored Horror anthology is also being torrented. If you want more of his work:

http://www.deadfrog.us/index.php?act=entry&id=9579

You can probably find Uzumaki and GYO on rapidshare.
>> Anonymous
>>194576
I just read The Enigima of Amigara Fault, it was awesome. Never realized that's where the "This hole... it was made for me!" phrase came from.
>> Anonymous
>>194055
true, most of the stories are not scary in terms of western standpoints (gore, shock, etc). But the japanese make these creepy ass shit. Take OP's picture for example.
I live on the 2nd floor myself, shit is not peachy if I were to look out my window one day and see that motherfucking thing staring at me.
>> Anonymous
I have to say, Japanese horror Mangas stay with me a lot longer than most Western Horror Movies. Probably because they rely upon a feel of unease and creepy feelings, rather than quick and cheap scares as things jump out at you, or detailed shots of corpses being dissected.
>> Anonymous
>>194624

There are a few Wester Horror Movies that are worth watching if you can find them, try 'Session 9' and 'Below' both rely on atmosphere rather than blood and violence
>> Anonymous
Sooo, anyone know what exactly is contained in the 1GB torrent? Since the other one is dead?

>>194624
Japanese horror comics are often superior to American horror comics, but Japanese horror movies are often inferior to American horror movies.

The problem with Japanese horror movies is that they all tend to jump on stupid band wagons (little girls with long hair in their faces, OOOOOOO!!!) or they try too hard to be all abstract and "mysterious" (Kairo and the god-awful Ju-on series come to mind).
>> Anonymous
>>194641
what the hell are you crying about?
"Japanese horror comics are often superior to American horror comics, but Japanese horror movies are often inferior to American horror movies."

you have no idea what is the diference between superior and inferior? go read some dictionary.
>> Anonymous
>>194641
you don't know them.
the ring, my god, how old is that movie? ten years?
all the american classics you mention have about thrice that age.
please keep your non existing knowledge to yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>193747
A more accurate term would be "translate and edit the pictured to have the translated dialogue in the speech bubbles. Contrary to what you may think, not many people like to read a Japanese comic in one window with a translation script in another window.
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>>194624
>I have to say, Japanese horror Mangas stay with me a lot longer than most Western Horror Movies. Probably because they rely upon a feel of unease and creepy feelings, rather than quick and cheap scares as things jump out at you, or detailed shots of corpses being dissected.
That's what makes Americans inferior: Everything must be shown in full obvious view so their moran brains don't have to do the hard work. Also, all questions brought up in the movie must be answered by the end of the movie, because Americans can't think for themselves.
Americans: We don't get subtle.

>>194641
>but Japanese horror movies are often inferior to American horror movies.
Why's that, sir?

>The problem with Japanese horror movies is that they all tend to jump on stupid band wagons
And American movies don't jump on the money-making bandwagon? SLASHER MOVIES MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU WATCH THEM?

>or they try too hard to be all abstract and "mysterious" (Kairo and the god-awful Ju-on series come to mind).
As opposed to the other extreme: American horror movies with blood and guts everywhere and not much else?

>What does Japan have for classic horror flicks? The Ring? A movie about a video chain letter that kills you? ROFL.
I can tell by your eloquence and powerful grasp of the Japanese film history that you're a man of formidable intelligence whose ideas and convictions are clearly deeply rooted in logic and fact, and deserve to be heralded as the towering pinnacle of thought in this debate.

GTFO.
>> Anonymous
>>194692

This is why I'm agnostic.
>> Anonymous
>>194692
Jesus, how troll are you?
>> Anonymous
>>194641
The gig torrent has a bunch of his one-shots and shorter stories that were from published magazines. There are Tomie stories, but they compromise mostly volumes 1-3. After that, I don't think she is featured again.
>> Anonymous
I'm>>194641. Looks like I've ruffled some feathers here, haha.

>>194692
>And American movies don't jump on the money-making bandwagon? SLASHER MOVIES MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU WATCH THEM?

I never said there weren't any dumb trends in American horror films. The difference is, some American films can take a trend and make a decent movie with it. At its core, A Nightmare on Elm Street is just a "supernatural" slasher flick, but it's a fucking classic because it's awesome. When's the last time you saw a memorable Japanese "little girl with long hair in her face" flick? That's right, NEVER. The Ring isn't necessarily a bad movie, it's just terribly forgettable.

>As opposed to the other extreme: American horror movies with blood and guts everywhere and not much else?

Learn to read, dipshit. I explicitly stated that too many modern horror flicks (like Saw and Hostel) rely too much on gore and have trite plots.

>I can tell by your eloquence and powerful grasp of the Japanese film history that you're a man of formidable intelligence whose ideas and convictions are clearly deeply rooted in logic and fact, and deserve to be heralded as the towering pinnacle of thought in this debate.

And yet you fail to name any classic Japanese horror flicks yourself. Good job. What are you gonna name off? Kwaidan?

Everyone in this thread slagging me off is just pissed that I dared to call their precious Japanese horror movies crap. But I never said ALL Japanese horror movies suck.

It's just that far too many of them are terribly boring. Instead of going to the extreme with gore, they go to the extreme with atmosphere, and they end up going nowhere interesting.

A good mix of gore and atmosphere in Japanese horror can be seen in Evil Dead Trap (the first one). I guess it's no surprise that it came out in the 80s, before the creepy little girl era of Japanese horror.
>> Anonymous
>>194579
Thanks for the tip off.
>> Anonymous
>>194740
And lets not forget the joys and creepiness found in a some of Kiyoshi Kurosawa's movies
>> Anonymous
>>194746

while his films were initially a breath of fresh air I have grown tired of his stuff over the years. even kairo/pulse which I though was a masterpiece 5 years ago now annoys the hell out of me thanks to j-horror having become such a cliche. it doesn't help that he seems to be unable to progress as a filmmaker. bright future seemed to mark some real growth but since he's reverted back to the same old crap with loft and retribution.
>> Anonymous
>>194747
Kairo oozes atmosphere, but the plot itself is a little hokey. The finger-waving moralizing of the film (humans are too isolated from each other in modern society) is annoying as well. The film would've been much better if it had spent more time after most people had disappeared.

Shit like The Ring and Ju-On are FAR too popular. They're all mediocre films at best. Any decent atmosphere is wasted on terribly stupid plots that rarely go anywhere. What good is setting up all that atmosphere if I never get creeped out during the entire movie? Things like Sadako coming out of the TV are terribly predictable.
>> Anonymous
Last one I remember is The Ring. I watched it with my father and we were sleeping, very boring movie.

Anyway, Junji Ito is great. I still need to buy Tomie, even if it looks it's not as good as his other works. Uzumaki and Gyo were a high priority, too good.
>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
>>194769
look for em on /rs/ to get a taste before you buy em, lol.
Also, about all this Ring hubbub... I actually came across the books, and was hooked. Junji Ito's novels are SO much cooler than the movie, esp. the last one, Loop.
>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
>>194795
sorry, meant to say Koji Suzuki, not Junji Ito!
>> Anonymous
I watched The Ring at festival back in the day, with a crowd that had no clue what was going to happen.
The hype really killed the movie`s gimmick, but that was really fun it reminded me of seeing the Demons 2 TV scene for the first time.

This was before there was even any talk of a US remake.
But it`s true like Battle Royale the books are much better.

>> Anonymous
>>194795
I'll buy them soon. I like this author, I'm just less hooked than with Uzumaki and Gyo.
Next, our publisher is going to release the Junji Ito Collection. They are slow, so it'll take time before we get his last works.

I wish for more Senno Knife, too.
>> Anonymous
>>194202

Shit, now I'm really tempted to download the Megaupload toolbar. Is it hard to get rid of?
>> Anonymous
Just gatta say, most DH books are close to the $15 range compare that to SJ's $7-8 range, well, most people will go for the cheaper price.
>> Anonymous
>>194747

Kairo does have it it's moments, but my favorite from Kiyoshi has got to be Cure. even though it does fully qualify as a horror flick, it cranks the creepiness factor up to 11.

>>194846

>> Anonymous
>>194814

Dark Horse only licensed the first 3 volumes of the Ito Collection. They *planned* to license and translate the rest but extremely poor sales on volumes 1-3 convinced them to drop that. I honestly have no idea what the fuck is going on at Dark Horse anyway. They make some really odd decisions. Not only did they judge the pubpularity of Junji Ito with American customers based on the sales of reprints of one of his weakes works (TOMIE) but they also thought it would be a good idea to bring us Kazuo Umezu's utterly underwhelming SCARY BOOK series instead of licensing one of the works he is most famous for like maybe SEIREI / BAPTISM OF BLOOD or GOD'S LEFT HAND, DEVIL'S RIGHT HAND. It's absurd. They are either clueless, stupid or self-destructive.
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>>194740
>Looks like I've ruffled some feathers here, haha.
You mean ruffled some fur. I'm a proud furry.

>And yet you fail to name any classic Japanese horror flicks yourself. Good job. What are you gonna name off? Kwaidan?
I'm not falling for that one. Do your own fucking research. gb2/film school/
>> Anonymous
Since a few are bringing up japanese horror flicks, can someone recommend any worth seeing. I want to steer clear of any movies remade by the US like ringu, or audition which everyone knows.
>> Anonymous
>>194857

That's why, if I was american, I would totally learn an european language.
In my country, a publisher doesn't stop a book even if the sales are low. Except if the publisher is a total failure or if it's a manhwa (shit is shit).
We have a lot of obscure titles because our publishers know that mangas aren't only for kids who like shitty ninjas.
Additionally, America has the church ready to edit anything and books are expensive.
>> Anonymous
>>194946

Well, let me add that you definitely shouldn't pick German as that European language you learn because lots of manga series get cancelled halfway through in Germany as well. FIST OF THE NORTH STAR, SHAMO and GANTZ all got cancelled after a few volumes in Germany. Not really surprising if you consider that 2/3 of German manga readers are fangurls who only buy yaoi romance manga to shlick to. Plus German censorship is just as bad as in Amerikkka.
>> Anonymous
A good site for Asian, but mainly Japanese movies, the main focus is horror:
http://www.mandiapple.com/snowblood/index.html

Some personal favorites, mentioned these before but I like them a lot the others are good to.
Eko EKo Azarak - there`s 3 out in the US and a 4th has been released in Japan, plus a TV series.
Kaidan -A classic of Japanese cinema.

Wild Zerp -Guitar Wolf`s low budget Rock `N Roll Zombie movie which is awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>194946

Has any Junji Ito stuff that's unpublished in America been published in Europe?
>> Anonymous
>>194904
>Anyway, you're boring to troll.

And yet you did it anyway. You're a very sad little boy.
>> Anonymous
>>194951
Wow, I didn't know, that sucks. And yaois are so bad and ugly in general...

>>194955
In my country, nothing new yet. We have Tomie, Gyo, Uzumaki, and soon the Ito Collection.
The publisher is a little slow but they have the habit to follow good authors.
>> Anonymous
>>195154

Which country are you talking about? If the Ito collection gets translated into, say, Spanish or French it'll make it a lot easier and much more likely to be fan-translated into English one day...
>> Anonymous
>>195157
France, no date for it yet.
>> Anonymous
nice
>> Anonymous
>>195160

Well, that's great news anyway. Guess I'll keep my eyes peeled on the French amazon.
>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
>>194857
Yeah, I recently found SCARY BOOK: FACES at a Forbidden Planent store on my trip to Ireland... pretty disappointing till the endings.
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>Which country are you talking about? If the Ito collection gets translated into, say, Spanish or French it'll make it a lot easier and much more likely to be fan-translated into English one day...

Wow, fail potential right there. Brings back memories of the endlessly retranslated bible.

If you're going to translate something properly, you translate it from the source (Japanese). Mega fucking fail for translating something from French which was translated from Japanese.

Translations: Do it properly, or don't do it at all. Fuck the consequences.

Next thing you know, they'll be eating croissants instead of ramen for dinner.
>> Anonymous
>>195337

It's not ideal but it's better than no translation at all.
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>>195338
>It's not ideal but it's better than no translation at all.

Personally, I'd rather there be no translation.
>> Anonymous
>>195343

If it happens it'll be a free download and nobody's forcing it on you.
>> Anonymous
Why are there no scanlations for Ito at all?
>> Anonymous
>>195464
touch, self, night, etc
>> Anonymous
>>195464

Because Ito's stuff doesn't contain fanservice. And there's no Naruto in them.
>> Anonymous
>>195337
The time when some french publishers were that bad is old.
Ramens remain ramens (with a note on the side for these things) or are translated to "noodles" depending of the publisher and depending of the story's theme. If you cry over something like "noodles", you're just a fucking weeaboo.
As for the translation, you're right, it's always better to translate from the original language.
>> Anonymous
>>195337

Get the fuck out. The Shintaro KAgo translations are retranslated from Italian and are pretty good.

Translations of translations are always better than no translation at all.
>> Anonymous
Horror manga is way too niche in the U.S. Try to find MPD Psycho or Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service outside of a large convention. Not easy.
>> Anonymous
I'll do the editing work if someone finds a fucking translator.
>> Anonymous
>>195563
Well by and large, most of the manga-reading population are retards that buy up the popular crap and ONLY the popular crap, because they need the biggest collection of mainstream garbage to out-weeaboo the other weeaboos. Buying niche stuff doesn't help them score Otaku Points.

People that read stuff like Ito's work also tend to be people that like a wider range of stuff, and even read American comics, which the aforementioned Super Otaku would never sully him/herself with.
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>>195464
>Why are there no scanlations for Ito at all?
Because Americans are Amerikkkans.

>>195531
>Get the fuck out. The Shintaro KAgo translations are retranslated from Italian and are pretty good.
I have doubts about the authenticity of "Anonymous K"'s translations.

When I come across 4chan memes multiple times while reading Shintaro Kago's manga, I know something is up.

Like I said, do it right, or don't do it at all.

"It's good enough" won't cut it with me.

DO IT RIGHT, OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL.

>>195580
>People that read stuff like Ito's work also tend to be people that like a wider range of stuff, and even read American comics, which the aforementioned Super Otaku would never sully him/herself with.

Hell (which doesn't exist) hath no fury like a militant Weeaboo elitist purist Athiest scorned.
>> Anonymous
Well, this looks awesome, but I'm going to have to wait about a week before I can really tell.
Slow torrent is slow.
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The text is all gibberish, but apparently this is the gist of the story. I could only find someone to translate it because it was so short.
>> Anonymous
IIRC (I read it a long time ago) that story was about their daughter slowly becoming a doll and the parents had heard about other families burning their dolls. They thought they'd never do that. The ending is them considering burning their daughter because "She's become..."
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>> Anonymous
All great stories begin with someone saying "I hate wizards".
>> Anonymous
>>195633
Why have you not been banned?
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
That translation needs lots of work and better editing, but it works for me.

LOL at :(
>> Anonymous
It's a scarehoe!
>> Anonymous
What's the title of that Doll story? I've never seen it before. I shat bricks.
>> Anonymous
Another translator told me it was called "the hell of being a doll" or something. I think jigoku no ningyou sou

Its in the 16th collection, at the end of the frankenstein story (which takes up the rest of the volume)

Also apparently, the panel with the "wizards" is supposed to be other people burning their doll-children, which makes more sense.

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>>196082
>Why have you not been banned?

Because I am an asset to the 4chan community "A++++ WILL TROLL AGAIN!"
>> Anonymous
WTF. The last panel of that doll thing will forever haunt my dreams.
>> Anonymous
>>196040

Great, now I won't sleep for a week. Thanks, Anonymous.
>> Anonymous
>>194857

I love hearing people going on about "ZOMG Dark Horse released this, but it was canned for poor sales!" in the same forum whose primary use is to download shit so we don't have to buy it. I mean, yeah, there are people who do what they're morally supposed to--download to test, purchase to support the artist if you like it--but, really, how many in the army of anon ever actually does that?