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The Great global Warming Swindle Anonymous
Are you green? How many flights have you taken in the last year? Feeling guilty about all those unnecessary car journeys? Well, maybe there's no need to feel bad.

According to a group of scientists brought together by documentary-maker Martin Durkin, if the planet is heating up, it isn't your fault and there's nothing you can do about it.

We've almost begun to take it for granted that climate change is a man-made phenomenon. But just as the environmental lobby think they've got our attention, a group of naysayers have emerged to slay the whole premise of global warming.

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1057459/4521312/

(You can't get this in America, taped from UK tv and since global warming affects Japan too it's not b&. enjoy)
>> Anonymous
Dumbest film ever. Main reasons behind this conclusion are summarised here:

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php

lol channel 4
>> Anonymous
this film fails hard ... very hard ...
sounds similar to some sciencetolegy ... "they are all liars" bwuahahah
>> Anonymous
sage
>> Anonymous
>>156792
>>156794
>>156796
These people are from the government! They're trying to get you to vote democrat!

Think of the money, people! Don't do anything rash!
>> EVERYONE IS LYING Anonymous
Global warming isn't our fault, though we are speeding it up, though how much is not clear, though doing nothing about it won't do anything.
>> Anonymous
>>156798
>doing nothing about it won't do anything
wow your samrt
>> Anonymous
I wonder why there isn't more debate...

It's sorta like "GLOBAL WARMING IS HAPPUNING IF YOU DON'T RECYCLE AND RIDE BIKES AND SHIT YOU WILL ALL BE DEAD IN 50 YEARS!!!"

if you don't believe in this shit you are a republican

except...oh wait...a volcano outputs more CO2 in one eruption than the whole of humanity in 10 years. Guess maybe there's fuck-all we can do since we have no control over this shit.

If everyone on earth stopped polluting in any way, nothing would change. We're just not significant enough.

"Like retarded kids throwing ice cubes at the sun"

Doesn't affect me, right here right now. Fuck the world when I'm gone.
>> Anonymous
>>156792
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2948/
>> Anonymous
>>156801
>a volcano outputs more CO2 in one eruption than the whole of humanity in 10 years.

FUCK. Why do I hear this retarded, inbred argument all the time? You're a fucking idiot for using it without thinking really hard about what you're saying. Why?

>>>BECAUSE A VOLCANO DOESN'T SPIT OUT ONLY CARBON DIOXIDE.<<<

Carbon dioxide is only one of the components of what is jettisoned into the atmosphere; the CO2 it spits out may cause global warming, but the massive amounts of large particles that accompany it cause cooling as well.

Smog-heavy cities also experience this phenomenon: the large particles have (relatively) high surface areas, which cause moisture to condense around them. In such quantities, a cloud of moisture-laden particles is highly effective in reflecting sunlight away from the planet's surface - so ironically 'cleaner' burning engines contribute more to global warming than the older, dirtier engines.
>> Anonymous
Unfortunately it's true. If humanity were to cut all emissions, greenhouse gases would still climb, just at a slower rate.
>> Anonymous
>>156807
Have you told anyone this? You should lobby to get filters banned.
*snicker*

High CO2 is good for the rainforest.
>> Anonymous
>>156814
Good filters are designed to trap carbon dioxide as well; heavy smog might offset some of the effects of CO2 emission, but those same sunlight-reflecting clouds come back down as acid rain.

Yeah, CO2's great for trees - too bad nobody has bothered to find out just how much CO2 from industrial areas actually migrate to rain forests. Can't use this to argue for or against global warming.
>> Anonymous
>>156807
Your a genius
I'm gonna spray large particles into the air and save the world.
>> Anonymous
>Have you told anyone this?
Idly, I shouldn't have to tell anyone this because it's published in numerous scientific magazines. Anyone who wants to argue about global warming should read these to avoid sounding like an idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>156817
Anonymous is both smarter and stupider than you
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)

"The Great Global Warming Swindle was a 2007 documentary film premiered on Channel 4 in the United Kingdom on March 8, 2007. The film featured scientists who are sceptical of the prevailing consensus that global warming is caused by human activity. Professor Carl Wunsch (professor of physical oceanography at MIT), stated that he was "completely misrepresented" by Durkin in his documentary. Currently considering making a formal complaint, Wunsch claims he was "totally misled" as to the content of the program. Durkin denies Wunsch was mislead."

Nothing to see here, move along.
>> Anonymous
Only morons would question the FACT that my not recycling my newspaper means in 20 years africans will be even more fucked.
>> Anonymous
>>156822
Bzzt, that's not a fact, that's an incorrect assumption drawn from unrelated issues. Let's give you some real facts:

1) Trees for paper are harvested from tree farms, not random forests around the world.

2) Recycling paper requires heavy bleaching to draw out the ink. This bleach is, like many industrial wastes, not something that can be safely disposed of or recycled.

3) The population of Africa has been increasing steadily, but due to the high prices most African nations are unable to afford coal or oil to support the populace; as a result they turn to over-harvesting trees for cooking fires.
>> Anonymous
Whoever denies that we are not accountable for global warming is plain retarded.

Typical of human beings to never take the blame for anything. I thought we were over this crap years ago. You retards are only against it cuz Gore made that movie.

ZOMG, GORE SAID SO!!!! LETS GO AGAINST IT!
>> Anonymous
>"Like retarded kids throwing ice cubes at the sun"

Is this in the video, if not where can I get a video of said action
>> Anonymous
>>156830
I believe in global warming, but your 'argument' (and I use this term loosely) doesn't help shit.
>> Anonymous
>>156833
Why do you care? There IS no debate. That's why this is getting flamed. You poke holes in the global warming thing and all of a sudden you're a holocaust denier.

Some things are sacred cows; no debate allowed. Global warming is one of those things.
>> Anonymous
>>156827

I was under the impression that, at least in Europe, the paper industry was the only self-sustaining natural-resource consuming industry in existence, since they've managed to make really big tree farms and make paper from the trimmings.

>>156842

Yes.
>> Anonymous
>>156830
No no, see, humans love to take the blame. For everything. It makes us feel important. Well, not us personally, but BIG NASTY CORPORATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS EVIL EVIL EVIL MC DONALDS SHELL OMG OMG H8!!1!11!11

It was all better back in the good old days. Etc.
>> Anonymous
>>156842
Because it's the flawed support of issues that allow people to disbelieve. Every time I hear someone use incorrect statements to support global warming, I hear someone else point to that statement and say "OMG HE'S WRONG IT MUST BE A SCAM!"

Now considering this situation is /global/, wouldn't it stand to reason that you want as few people acting like dipshits and refusing to contribute to the solution as possible?
>> Anonymous
News flash: Other planets close to the sun have been getting warmer as well. I guess we shouldn't have been making factories on Venus and driving SUVs on Mars. :B
>> Anonymous
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/

>>156801
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html

>>156851
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192

I hate global warming. It's way too politicized to have real debate.
>> Anonymous
I'm very worried about this. If the planet gets warmer, the ice caps could melt, and the sea levels would rise because water expands when it freezes.

.. wait, wtf.
>> Anonymous
we're like ticks on a dog trying to stop the dog from rolling in mud.

We can't do shit.
>> Anonymous
>>156858
You're right. The sea levels won't rise from the melting glaciers THAT ARE FLOATING. It's the glaciers on land that we are worried about.
>> Anonymous
>>156861
except that they're nearly all melted because...oh shit...we're at the tail end of an ice age.
>> Anonymous
Global warming is mainly caused by the sun warming up. Just look at the other planets in our solar system that are heating up. Mars is a good example, as water is starting to flow from underground geysers. Yes, CO2 output adds to the problem, but it is not the main cause. But you know what? We can't really do anything about the sun warming up, so reducing CO2 is the next best thing, save the rain forest, go green and all that. Unless people want to cool down the planet with nuclear winter.
>> Anonymous
>>156866
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/412.htm#tab113
>> Anonymous
bitches don't know 'bout my positive feedback loops.
>> Anonymous
HAY, HAVE YOU GUYZ HEARD THE ONE ABOUT ARGUING ON THE INTERNETS?!?!?
*throws shiny things for all the retards*
>> Anonymous
>>156867
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Changes_In_Solar_Brightness_Too_Weak_To_Explain_Global_Warming_999
.html
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192
>> Anonymous
I live in Norway. You know, that cold, ice filled place in northern Europe.
Or at least that's how it used to be. The past 15 years have been warmer than any other point in recorded history, and this year we had about 2 weeks of snow in my town.
2 weeks of snow, and I live in fucking Norway. No global warming my ass.
>> Anonymous
>>156878
oh...global warming isn't up for debate, what this documentary discusses are the root causes of global warming that...oh sh...aren't us shitty little humans.

To put it in terms anyone can understand "drop in the ocean"
>> Anonymous
Fuck the kids anyway. It's not like they appreciate anything we do. Let them burn. On Earth.
>> Anonymous
The Fraud of Global Warming : True C02 Record Buried Under Gore.
go, go, NWO, go, go, NWO

http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/press_releases_files/2007/0223_inconvenient_gore.html
>> Anonymous
>>156883
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831&q=The+Great+Global+Warming+Swindle

BTW, the NWO owns the BBC.
>> Anonymous
>>entire thread

see

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Climate_change_sceptics
http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-1/finalreport/sap1-1-final-execsum.pdf
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
http://books.nap.edu/html/climatechange/summary.html
http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?latest=1&id=3222

Joint science academies
US National Research Council
American Meteorological Society
Federal Climate Change Science Program

>> Anonymous
>>156883
Come back when you have a peer reviewed article.
>> Anonymous
There has been two sides of this ever since the UN even reviewed the subject. There is just so much media about the catastrophic possibilities that were developed as model for the SCALE of how bad it could be. And then misinformed non-scientific environmentalist groups used those as media attention grabbers. The scientific community isn't totally united, but at least everyone agrees global warming exists period. All we have to do is figure out if we are really accelerating it, is there anything feasible we can do, is it worth it to try and do anything? ETC!
>> Anonymous
>>156880
Too bad all their points have been long since refuted. Nice argument from incredulity there, too.
>> Anonymous
>>156891
Why does everybody forget the IPCC report wherein 2500 scientists in relevant fields from all over the world stated "that human influences on climate are 'very likely' (> 90% chance) already detectable in observational record" and "significant"
>> Tripfag !ccqXAQxUxI
>>156893
These very same people would have believed 1,000 years ago that the Sun orbited the Earth.
>> Anonymous
Well, it's nice to now that we can literally change the world.
>> Anonymous
>>156896
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "KNOWING" SCIENTIFICALLY AND "KNOWING" ANY OTHER WAY.
>> Anonymous
The Earth does NOT move in a perfect circle around the sun. Warming is caused by the earth orbiting slightly closer than the sun and Cooling the same way. The earth has normal warming and cooling periods....it has nothing to do with us. and as far as Co2 is concerned...we BREATHE IT OUT....hello?! we BREATHE IT OUT!
>> Anonymous
>>156897

>>Well, it's nice to now that we can literally change the world.

I wonder how quickly we could change the climate of Mars if we engineered machines to set down on the red planet and do nothing but process local resources into greenhouse gasses.
>> Anonymous
>>156846

For idiots like you, the "good old days" can't have possibly been that long ago.
>> Anonymous
>>156851
>>156867
You both fail for exaggerating the truth in order to support your own arguments; currently the only verified data we have about extraterrestrial warming is from Mars - which is that the past three Martian summers have been warmer than usual. Nowhere has there been a report that states Venus has experienced a parallel increase in temperature.

That aside, Mars' warming is compelling evidence that SUGGESTS Earth's warming may be caused by changes in the sun, but a single report that draws no solid conclusion to Mars' warming is hardly enough.

>>156912
Try to find out how much CO2 is produces by living organisms daily, how much is produced through the burning of fuels, and how much is produced naturally (through volcanic eruptions, etc); then find out how much CO2 can be absorbed by the ocean and forests, how much energy is reflected by clouds and moisture-heavy smog, and any other global-cooling variables I have neglected to mention.

Or you can try not to sound like an idiot and explain away something so inherently complex with an overly simplified statement.
>> Anonymous
Maybe it's for the best.
>> Marx
This is almost as ridiculous as the guys who maintain that 9/11 is a hoax maintained and masterminded by the US government.

The documentary maker is a flippin' idiot. All he had to do is become a scientist, and then Exxon-Mobile would have paid him to make this movie. Moron.
>> Anonymous
Wow and here I was thinking only religion could have this affect on 4chan.
>> Marx
The Jews will never give him a dollar for this.
>> Anonymous
This film kinda does have a point.

It's almost like saying "My dad owns an oil company" if you voice one iota of scepticism on the issue of climate change.

It's become a case of left-wing vegan shitbags vs. right-wing reptilian industrialists.

If you choose not to err to either side of the extreme political spectrum, you're still met with anger and bile. If I walked through san-francisco with a placcard that said "Climate change isn't our fault, let's all think about this" I'd probably have shit thrown at me by people who would march with me if I was saying the opposite were true.

This is why I hate liberals.

p.s. I'm a liberal. I also hate weaboos and I'm one of them too.
>> Anonymous
>>156923
after a thread like this, you speak volumns of truth my friend
>> Anonymous
>>156935
Please become a self-hating Jew too just for the sake of completeness.
>> Marx
The mentality of some nut-jobs is astounding. What more proof do you need? I mean, scientists have come out and said they were bribed by Exxon-Mobile and other companies to not mention Global Warming in their climate reports.

People who are willing to believe wackos like this are the same people that maintained the Earth was flat years after Magellan circumnavigated the globe and thousands of scientists supported the idea that it was round. For shit's sake, the vast majority of academic researchers agree that Global Warming is a very man made phenomenon.

Forget it. You idiots will believe anyone with a camera and a fat paycheck from an oil company in their wallet in the name of trendy distention.

Go back to school emofag. Nobody cares about you and your anarchy.
>> Anonymous
eh? global temperatures are rising on average? must be the magnetic field around the planet is going to flip soon.
>> Rousseau
>>156938

You are a hero.

Liberals like that will never get any sex from real liberals.
>> Anonymous
Why is everyone so worried about global warming?

The way things are going, nuclear winter should solve the problem.
>> Anonymous
Dear god, this is ridiculous. Whatever you "believe" in, don't draw conclusion from a fucking documentary. We all know the nature of TV, and it's not going to provide scientific acuity.
When dealing with something that affect us all like this, you are REQUIRED to educate yourself. Holy fuck, some posts here are ridiculous. Sure, you can consider various theories, but look them up. Not in a documentary. Specially like one like this, obviously made to get your attention.
>> Anonymous
>>156945

What are you doing in 4chan? That post was too long.

I fap to intellectual points.
>> Anonymous
Is watching this supposed to feel like butthurt from the Nazis? Because it did.

OMFG, I don't feel bad about killing Jews, let's write Mein Kampf.

Same mentality.
>> Spenz
This documentry already reinforced what Ive known about global warming for the longest time. The responses in this thread prove the documentry to be correct over and over. Its amazing.

If you truely believe that humans are the cause of global warming, then you are a bandwagoneer. Can you explain Mars warming and mercury cooling? It is Bush's ebil global warming machine? Do martians drive hummers?

Oh yeah what about water vapor being a greenhouse gas? Do you people even know what a greenhouse gas is (and if I hear *duuuuuuh see O tooo deeeer* you fail at life)? Do we ban water vapor now?

BAN VAPER VAPOR!!!11
>> Spenz
*ahem* Water vapor.

Damn emotions. I wish I was a machine.
>> Anonymous
>>156952

I am awed by the smartzors.

Tits or GTFO.

Wait, this isn't /b/chan. I fail.
>> Anonymous
>>156792
This man speaks sense, here it is again:
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php

Also required reading for common sense:
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2031457,00.html

This is the same garbage Martin Durkin peddles in 1997 hat got him into shit. Don't watch it, it's not real, it's just to make the extreme right feel better about themselves.
>> Anonymous
This is crap. It's a way for the christian right to make scientists into bad guys, reject science and preach their bible even more.
>> Anonymous
this global warming it's bullshit, this world is full of conspirancy
>> Anonymous
>>156965
throwing religion into the crapper, personally I think it's probably not ALL humanity's fault.
there IS data that suggests the planet cycles between hot and cold without calamity or 3v1l hum4ns. but this isn't for /t/, this is something for /dis/
>> Anonymous
I saw this movie and it was serious, serious, serious fail. it's about as scientific as "What The Blee Do We Know!?" it really is brain-porn for republicans and contrarians.

do you retards actually think that the millions of tons of poisonous gas we generate everyday has NO effect on the planet whatsoever?

from this morons own site:

"Many readers will be aware that Durkin has previous ‘form’. In 1997, Channel 4 broadcast his three-part series, Against Nature, which suggested present-day environmentalists were the true heirs of the Nazis."

yeah, good call. enviromentalists = nazis. why the fuck is anyone listening to this clown?
>> Anonymous
>>156952
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=142
>> Anonymous
Haha, wishful idiots. Check my sauce, mm, yummy sauce:

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_headline=debunking-of-global-warming--bad-scien
ce-&method=full&objectid=18749397&siteid=50082-name_page.html

And even one of the dudes in it wants no part of it:

Professor Wunsch said: "I am angry because they completely misrepresented me. My views were distorted by the context in which they placed them. I was misled as to what it was going to be about. I was told about six months ago that this was to be a programme about how complicated it is to understand what is going on. If they had told me even the title of the programme, I would have absolutely refused to be on it. I am the one who has been swindled."
>> Anonymous
>>156953

Yes, if you were a machine perhaps you could use logic and evidence instead of emotion. I like it how you spotted your own errors.
>> Anonymous
>>156952
>If you truely believe that humans are the cause of global warming, then you are a bandwagoneer.
Pot calling the kettle black.

>Can you explain Mars warming and mercury cooling?
No, neither can you, because nobody knows yet. Idiot.
>> Anonymous
Wow, this thread just shows how hard people fail at life. On one side you've got pro-Global Warming people posting links to verified sources to support their arguments, while on the other you have anti-Global Warming people using lies and unsound theories to support their own beliefs - yet it's the anti-Global Warming people who go "This whole thread proves we're right."

Pissed off by my statement? Then prove me wrong with complete facts, not the conservative indignation you people have been throwing around.

Idly, by 'facts' I don't mean the little catchphrases that have been offered like "Volcanoes produce CO2" and "Rain forests benefit from CO2", which have already been shown as misleading half-truths.
>> Anonymous
sage. what a shitty thread.
global warming is a real problem we are a part of. even the government finally believes it now.
>> Anonymous
Time will prove who's right and who's wrong, too bad we'll all be dead by that time.
>> Anonymous
Both sides fail.

It's very likely that we're not the main cause of global warming, but that doesn't give us an excuse to pollute the environment that we depend on for life (because let's be honest, we're not saving the planet, we're saving ourselves) and waste all of our resources.

Seeing things in black/white: fail
>> Anonymous
Chance of humans contributing to global warming significantly: debatable.

Chance that the people in this thread that believe humans do contribute will actually use energy-saving measures such as using their computers less and, say, reading a book by candlelight: minimal.

Chance that most of the people in this thread supporting the idea human-caused global warming don't actually give two shits about it but see a great opportunity to bitch at others from a position of support: extremely high.

This is 4chan. No one actually cares about this crap, they just want an opportunity to call someone a retard and be fairly assured of other people supporting them in doing so.
>> Anonymous
>>157010

Speak for yourself mate.
>> Anonymous
Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

CHORUS
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
>> Anonymous
Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
Dien Bien Phu Falls, "Rock Around the Clock"

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, "Peter Pan", Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez

CHORUS

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
>> Anonymous
Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs Invasion

"Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

CHORUS

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon, back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollolah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
>> Anonymous
is this fappable?
>> Anonymous
I drive a hybrid you fucks
>> Anonymous
We have two choices :

1) Hold technological progress and screw our lifestyle because of environmental concerns, real or not.

2) Research and distribute more advanced, energy-efficient and technologies and produce energy in a clean and efficient way, to maintain and even improve our lifestyle.

Hippies and morons choose 1. I choose 2.
>> Anonymous
Global Warming is communist Liberal propaganda, like the Holocaust and Evolution.
>> Anonymous
>>157047
Evolution is real idiot
>> Anonymous
>>157047
You're leaving out Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well, clearly you're the communist Liberal propaganda.
>> Anonymous
>>156784
I know everyone is gonna hate me for this, but I honestly think this whole Global Warming thing is a scam. It seems like all of the big proponents of this concept have a desire for attention- let's be honest, why would Al Gore (a fucking ambulance chaser, for christ sakes) all of a sudden care about the earth? Oh wait, let's not forget he's the vice chairman of Metropolitan West Financial, a company that profits off companies going green. HE MAKES MONEY OFF MAKING COMPANIES FEEL BAD. If that's not a reason to make a movie, I don't know what is.

Look, if you look at the real sense of the world, we're not in such a shitty shape. For one thing, we'd run out of gasoline before we burned up enough of it to set the whole planet on fire. The Middle East, as much as they would like to deny, isn't a fucking unlimited source of oil. Nor is Alaska. Eventually, we're gonna plow through it all, and then shit's gonna go sour.

As well, most of the planets around the sun are getting hotter. If you read some decent scientific journals, you'll see that a rather believable concept is that warming occurs right before something similar to a global ice age. It's happened before (documented in geological stratification), and it may happen again.

But one of my biggest things is that the Ozone layer grows and replenishes up there in a cyclical fashion. Sure, we may make a big hole in it, but it just manages to grow back.

I know Global Warming might be legitimate, but I think it's too much of the "cool new trend" for politicians to be taken seriously. I may go just set a gas station on fire. Fuck my kids.
>> Anonimal !3I4SJbCh8M
>>156951
Exactly. I like your views on this.
>> Anonymous
>>157050
I don't think anyone will refute that Al Gore is an idiot, but that's the problem: why does an issue lose legitimacy the moment an idiot decides to support it for his own personal gain?

But that aside, yeah, you're right in that the planet's climate is cyclical, but I've heard this used as an argument that the raise in temperature is because we're coming out of a (relatively) recent ice age.

I can't buy the argument about other planets' climates though. Mars has gotten warmer in the past three summers (which is about six Earth years, iirc), while we've been talking about Global Warming for over fifteen years now - not to mention there's nothing but theory and conjecture as to why Mars is warming up.
>> Anonymous
>>157052
15 years isn't relevant. it's just not.
>> Anonymous
You forgot option #3:
Sit on our asses as we're doing now, "hope" it will all be O.K. and end up probably just watching the world go to hell.

That is of course assuming that it's not too late to do anything about it anyhow...

Oh yeah, by the way, interesting little tidbit:
After CO2 from industry, cars, etc., the most significant source of greenhouse gasses is methane from farm animals... pigs, cows, sheep, etc (yes, farts).
In terms of quantity (volume) it's nowhere close, but methane has a much stronger greenhouse effect than CO2.
Talk about stinking up the planet...
>> Anonymous
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This thread has crossed the line from retarded to painful.
>> Anonymous
The earth does not move in a perfect circle around the sun. The Earth has warming and cooling periods depending on the distance it is from the sun during its imperfect revolutions around the sun. We are closer to the sun now, therefore, this thread fails

let the fapping commence
>> Anonymous
>>157054

methane has a much shorter life cycle in atmosphere than CO2, so it's not a big problem. I think the biggest problem aboutit is a lack of stability of hydrates, if they will start to move, then we are all fucked up in a moment.
Btw, few years and more advanced IGCC and second generation of PFBC technologies will be in common use, so coal soon won't be a problem, time tothink more about cars, which will soon be the ones most responsible for shit.

Btw. it's a fact we can only guess, more or less, how CO2 affects global warming, all we know is that we have some influence. Saying that we are the only ones responsible is as retarded as saying we are not responsible at all. But it's like a game - we assume we don't affect it and it's a fact - we win/ we were wrong - we are dead/ we assume we affect it - true - we win (if we took countermeasures), we were wrong - nothing really bad happens, except having to go through few unnecesary inconveniences. ok, I'm going back to drinking, cYa bitches.
>> Anonymous
Handy guide to current knowledge:

1. Read what the experts have to say*
2. Read it again
3. Think about what they DIDN'T say

* http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/pub.htm


Why do I even bother in a thread like this?
>> Anonymous
>>157053
The point is that we've been observing a spike in climate change for a longer period of time than has been observed in Mars.

Yes, I recognize that Mars, having a considerably thinner atmosphere of different composition, would probably experience a climate shift in a different time frame than Earth's; I don't have the training or education to calculate if this coincides with Earth's climate shift, so I really can't argue what significance this has on the Global Warming stance - but the problem is that the people who DO have the training and education haven't released anything of the sort either.

We live on this fucking planet and we can't figure out what exactly is causing the increase in temperature, how the fuck can anyone point to another planet that has only a handful of probes and cite that as conclusive evidence about our own planet? Mars warming up tells us exactly two things:

1) Mars' past three summers have been warmer than expected.

2) It wasn't caused by humans.

It doesn't tell us anything about Earth, but what it does do is offer the possibility of a new theory to the cause of Global Warming - but to draw conclusions from initial observations is for idiots and religious zealots.
>> Oooops Coaxial
This documentary has created a big controversy in England since it turns out most of what was in it was false, out of date, or simply edited and taken out of context so as to "create" a fictional swindle that in fact does not exist. The channel that broadcast it (Channel 4) is distancing itself from it, claiming not to have known how inaccurate it was, and the documentary director who made is is being hounded by the press as this is not the first time he has doctored results to support his own story. Do watch it however as a good example of how far people go to delude themselves.

GLOBAL WARMING IS HAPPENING!

Get over it and deal with it!
>> Anonymous
To me CO2 is just the new "ZOMGROFL WMD in Iraq".
Global warming is a fact, but what is causing it is not clear to me. However, when big media and politicians start to push a certain point of view it's probably a lie.
>> Anonymous
>>157079
correction, global warming has BEEN happening for a longer period of time than is usually represented in movies, documentaries or basically anything that is going to make MONEY for the company and or person(s) involved in making it (see: al gore, creator of the internet).
>> Anonymous
>>157134
Since what is known as the "little Ice Age" in like, 1400-1500 or whenever. The question is how quickly it's happening, and what, if anything, can feasibly be done about it. By feasibly I mean without causing massive damage to the economy.
>> Anonymous
>>157147
The economy as it currently exists is trashed already and in a state beyond "saving." All it can do is adapt, but people profiting off its current state of decline are determined to maintain an old and useless model, not equipped to handle changing technologies.
>> Anonymous
>>157149
lolwhat? Somebody doesn't like earning minimum wage it seems.
>> Anonymous
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>>157134
hmm whats this, temperatures started going up in the 1800's, when the industrial revolution was often water powered, nonsense
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
perhaps the ipcc's measurements of co² can explain this, oh wait, but the results have a very large variance you say?

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/2006_articles/IceCoreSprg97.pdf
>> Anonymous
Or perhaps a computer model would shed some light, if only they often were not designed to model rapid change theories

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/GobalWarmStevenson.pdf
>> Anonymous
Or perhaps its the global climate changing, except there is no unified global climate, but many separate ones differing based on elevation, geography, weather patterns, local ocean currents and a number of other variables

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/NoGlobalWarm.pdf
>> Anonymous
or that the government can actually do anything about global warming in the first place.

and even if it can, as another person stated, whether it will not screw up something else in the proccess

http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2006/04/a_another_note_.html
>> Anonymous
and to clear up exactly what a greenhouse gas is, you can find it here

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

along with a bunch of other interesting things
>> Anonymous
and of course there is the problem of companies trying to fight the global warming problem in their own way

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/22/1338256

though this doesn't actually help much I would think, it might produce some quantifiable verifiable scientific facts once in a while
>> Anonymous
and heres a good reason for why we should try to keep the gorvernment, mainly politicians out of this a little more

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=63ab844f-8c55-4059-9ad8-89de085af353&k=0

atleast as part of that article, the rest is rather interesting too
>> Anonymous
and again here, same as the previous post, with underpinnings that the media is hyping it too, though its all ratings to them I would guess

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20070131_hitshome.htm
>> Anonymous
or maybe we should simply remember that a lot of the science has produced hypothesis with is rather
different from theory, and also a bit of an examinatinion on al gore as well hiding in there

http://postbulletin.typepad.com/soapbox/2007/02/global_warming__1.html
>> Anonymous
and while I dont have a link for this its, though not too hard to find if you're google-fu is strong. Amazingly we're exiting a cooling period in the ice age cycle and that couldn't have anything to do with it at all could it
>> Anonymous
soon China and India will be the biggest producers of greenhouses gases, enjoy forcing them to lower their emissions.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0vetY_3RKQ
>> Anonymous
>>157198

But China and India don't have Republicans, so their pollution smells like roses and makes flowers grow.
>> Anonymous
Weird it's 16 march and usually here should be like 0 C degrees, and now it's +16 lol wii got summer
>> Anonymous
Some things I've noticed about climate change recently.

First off, it was being taught as FACT that we're responsible in school all my life and I've only heard within the last 3 years that it's just a theory with refutable evidence. The first time I heard of anyone who doesn't believe in it was Bush who's a businessman before a politician and stands a lot to gain if global warming isn't an issue.

I've got news for everyone. The fact that the seasons change based on the rotation of the earth is a theory with refutable evidence.

It's also known that more often than not, if you're looking for something, you will find it. This applies to science too. This of course, begs the question, "is there a fundamental flaw with science?"

The next problem is that I'm not entirely convinced it's a real problem. CHANGE is rarely a bad thing because change only occurs out of nessicity. The issue is that seem to dislike change.

I won't credit or discredit anything but next time you feel like arguing on the topic, try keeping these things in mind.
>> Anonymous
random points
One group of scientist say that the world goes threw cycles of climate changes every 30 years or so.

New York Times reported that within 3 years, the whole world is going to have a disaster with more dead than World War 2. Scientist feared that the temperature will drop so low that it will cause another Ice Age. This was in March of 1972.
According to Al Gore's movie, we're all going to die. His theory is based on the fact that the ocean tides will rise 20 feet above water. The UN, even with all its global warming is our fault, has said that at most the water will rise 3 feet.
This carbon offset Al Gore has started after we find out he waste more energy in one month than most people do in a year not counting the airplane he flies and every time he opens his mouth, has some interesting points involved. To offset our carbon producing selfs, we could give some money to a company Al Gore owns/runs (i forget which one) and they will plant a tree in your name. This way, the plant will absorbs carbon dioxide and balance out what you have wasted. Problem with this is that obviously its a scam. There isn't proof that there's a definitive "tree" with your name on it. Instead of balancing our carbon waste, shouldn't we reduce it? Finally, basic high school biology (if they still teach this stuff anymore) a tree takes in carbon dioxide and produces oxygen for us to breath during its growth. Once it has matured, it will began decaying, where it will take in oxygen and produce carbon dioxide. In a tree's life span, it will produce and absorb the same amount of oxygen as it did carbon dioxide. That means the tree carbon offset itself.
>> Anonymous
random points continues"A House of Representatives subcommittee on Energy and Air Policy, that was scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss global warming, was cancelled due to inclement weather. Inclement weather means it was freezing cold, and snowing bushels in Washington D.C. Committee staffers said the meeting would be rescheduled "at a date and time to be announced later." Perhaps that means when a little more of global warming has taken place.

And it was not only in Washington D.C. Maryville University in St. Louis area cancelled screening of Al Gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’ because of a snowstorm.

Due to those circumstances, perhaps global warming supporters will take stock of a new American study that indicates Greenland’s largest glaciers are melting at variable rates and not at an increasing trend.

The study, led by Ian Howat, a researcher with the University of Colorado National Snow and Ice Data Center, and the University of Washington Applied Physics Laboratory, shows the glaciers shrank dramatically and dumped twice as much ice into the sea during a period of less than a year between 2004 and 2005.

Fewer than two years later, they returned to near their previous rates of discharge.

Howat says such variability during such a short time underlines the problem in assuming glacial melting and sea level rise will necessarily occur at a steady upward trajectory. Or, in other words, coastal cities may not flood after all."
>> Anonymous
random point concludes

Global temperature, in truth, can not be simply gauge by one designated degree. Each area of this planet will have a different angel the sun will emit to them, so they will be all different. There's just too many different variables for us to simply say one thing.

Over the winter, the world average temperature went up a little, but in the US it was the same.

After Hurricane Katrina, remember how they were saying cause of global warming, they were expecting tons more hurricanes, and more the same magnitude of Hurricane Katrina? Reminds me of the Y2K scare.

A few years ago, it was believed that cow fart was the leading contributor to the ozone hole widening. Now, it's number 3 or 5, I forget.

Finally, for this one, don't think of individual years, but in a more larger scale (centuries) in 1650 till 1850 AD was what is called "Little Ice Age." Before that one was the "Medieval Warm Period" from 800 - 1300 AD. Around the same time was the "Medieval Maximum" (1100–1250AD) when it reached the highest temperate.

I will agree one thing a previous person said. We may not cause it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't prevent it.
>> Anonymous
>>157368
forgot to mention this was back in Febuary
>> Anonymous
So, does anyone else plan to do anything with their newfound knowledge besides sit around and act smug?
Congratulations. Informed != participating.
>> Anonymous
>>157487
Wins the thread
>> Anonymous
All predicted in the Bible for the last days. Anything look familar from the bible's forecast, like say people will be lovers of themselves, the sun will burn with increasing power (ozone layer decay), the seas will die (ozone decaya & polution), violence. Interesting the bible even says most people will not even care to see the signs around them as they are to busy engaging in perverse activities.
>> Anonymous
>>158025
Now we just need that Bible = fiction pic XD
>> Anonymous
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>>156798
You take forever to say nothing.
>> Anonymous
'Predicted in Bible'? Are you a jehovah's witness and what are you doing here godboy?