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James Norris Memorial Trophy
Best Defenseman

Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings
Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins
Dion Phaneuf, Calgary Flames

Predict the winner
>> Anonymous
Cindy Crosby
>> Anonymous
It's now known as the Lidstrom Trophy for a reason. Anyone who says he won't win is trolling.
>> Anonymous
What. The. Fuck.

CHARA!? A CANDIDATE FOR BEST FUCKING DEFENSE!?
That's it, NHL is over. Everybody go home. Shit fucking sucks.
>> Anonymous
>>72760
it will finish in that order
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>72760

Chara over Gonchar.

What a fucking joke.
>> Anonymous
>>72803
maybe if the award was for best defense men on the powerplay.
>> Anonymous
>>72808

Gonchar was also a +13 (compared to Chara's +14) and was on the top unit for not only 5 on 5 but also the Penalty kill as well as the PP. He also only missed 4 games. Get your shit straight before you fucking talk faggot.

"The Norris trophy honors the best all-around Defensemen in the league". Gonch got fucking ripped, but I'm not surprised seeing as how he was also left off the All-Star roster until the fans voted him in.

I agree that its Lidstrom's trophy, but Gonchar should have been one of the finalists for sure.

tl;dr The NHL hates Gonchar
>> Anonymous
>>72821
Chara had a +14 on a much weaker offensive team. Chara was also the top D-man on the pk, pp, and 5on5, do your research.
>> Anonymous
>Gonchar was also a +13 (compared to Chara's +14)

Psst...that means Chara's better.
>> Anonymous
>>72821
without Chara, ruins don't have shot at the playoffs.
Without Gonchar, Pittsburgh would still probably win their division.
Also, look who Gonchar has to play with, comapred to Chara
>> Anonymous
Plus Chara is much more physical and like a hundred feet tall.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
How many more of these does Nick have to win before he beats Orr?
>> Anonymous
>>72861
Orr-8
Lidstrom-5
>> Anonymous
He will have 6 after this season, so he needs 2 more to catch Orr.
>> Anonymous
lol @ Gonchar getting robbed.

That's like me complaining that Timonen got robbed for a nom, because you know, he "deserved" one. *rolls eyes*
>> Anonymous
>>72760
>>James Norris Memorial Trophy
>>Best Defenseman

>>Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings
Fixed.
>> Anonymous
>>72924
i think you meant to do this

James Norris Memorial Trophy
Best Defenseman

Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings
Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings
Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings
>> Anonymous
>>72920
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Just because he's your favorite defenseman on your team, doesn't make him a nominee.

Hell, Raflaski was what, +27 with 10 powerplay goals?
>> Anonymous
What a pointless award.

There's no defense in the New NHL.
>> Anonymous
>>72966
Lidstroms +40 says otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>72808
I think Markov or Streit would win this.
>> Anonymous
>>73263

I don't think you realize how meaningless the Plus/Minus stat really is.
>> Anonymous
>>73295
When you're +40, it means something.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>72760

It's obviously the Lidstrom Trophy.

However, Chara can't sniff Gonchar's jock.

It's a snub.
>> Anonymous
>>73299

It only means goals are scored when he is on the ice. It could be defensive superiority, or it could be right place/right time. If the same defensive pair were never to be separated, they'd have the same +/-. Who would be the better defenseman?

It has no real meaning as to the actual quality of defensive play.
>> Anonymous
>>73304[other player] can't sniff [Penguin]'s jock

You've used that one before, tripfag.
>> Anonymous
>>73309
But they don't have the same +/-.....

Right place, right time happens every once in awhile, it doesn't cause a player to become +30 or higher.
>> Anonymous
>>73313

In 53 games, Cindy was +18.

Is he a defensive juggernaut? No.
>> Anonymous
>>73313it doesn't cause a player to become +30 or higher

That's right. Playing defense for an offensively powerful team is what nets those huge +/- totals.
>> Anonymous
>>73315
Does he play the penalty kill and log 25+ minutes of ice time per game?
>> Anonymous
>>73319
Montreal finished with more goals than Detroit and yet their highest +/- player was Kovalev with +18. Their highest defenseman's were +9. Your logic is flawed.
>> Anonymous
>>73543

or it could be that goals were equally distributed between the lines on Montreal, where as on Boston, most of the goals scored/goals prevented happened when Chara was out...
>> Anonymous
>>73543

You know, if you bothered to do a little research, you wouldn't sound so much like a blathering fanboy. +/- has no meaning without context and, hey look, this thread is throwing it about, oh that's right, WITHOUT CONTEXT.

Even that arrogant tripfag is a better hockey fan than our gaggles of MAH TEEM R TEH GRATEST fanboys.
>> Anonymous
>>73546
You have no idea what you're talking about. A player doesn't hit +40 4 times in his career because he's always at the right place, at the right time. This isn't a fluke. Lidstrom is the best defenseman in the league hands down, and is one of the smartest hockey players of all time. Oh, and this is coming from a Flyersfag too.
>> Anonymous
No one that has graduated references themselves as a "-fag".

Lidstrom plays on a team that has no problem scoring goals. That is why his Plus/Minus is always so high. Look at the all-time Plus/Minus leaders. Notice how it's all about scoring?
>> Anonymous
>>73772
Graduating doesn't suddenly make you mature. And graduate from what? Post secondary? Med school? Trade school!?

>>73605
I'm pretty sure everybody who is endorsing Lidstrom is not a detroit fan, same goes with every other player... there may be some, but not all
>> Anonymous
>>73772
You must be new here.
>> Anonymous
>>73698
True.

That being said, this thread needs to decide.. who is THE guy who was at the right place at the right time?

I'm nominating Gretzky. Fucker's so fucking overrated it's fucking unreal. Yes, he had a spectacular brain for the game at the end of his career but man, he would've had no fucking chance to make his record if he hadn't been in the Oilers dynasty.
>> Anonymous
>>73856

lol irony
>> Anonymous
>>73772
>>73864
Protip: Everyone on 4chan is a fag, newfag.
>> Anonymous
>>73857
92 goals in one season? That's talent. If anyone, it would be Jari Kurri.
>> Anonymous
>>73698

I was agreeing with you if you read what i was arguing against.
>> Anonymous
>>73866

HA HA HA

OH WOW
>> Anonymous
>>73893
>>73864
>>73772
idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>73914

How was school today, kiddo? Did the typing instructor catch you trying to browse 4chan again?
>> Anonymous
>>73918
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?
>> Anonymous
>>73920

A whole fuckton more than you ever will. If you don't understand that slapping "-fag" onto the end of every god-damned word is something relatively recent, just shut the fuck up already.
>> Anonymous
>>73993
It's not recent.
>> Anonymous
>>73993
Wow you're an idiot. GTFO of 4chan.
>> Anonymous
Jeff Beaukaboom will win it
>> Anonymous
Craig Rivet.