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Anonymous
not enough MMA in /sp/

this is the only other sport i keep up with besides basketball. any other MMA fans on 4chan? who is your favorite org/fighter?
>> Anonymous
not a sport
>> Anonymous
Events are too far apart.
>> Anonymous
Brock Lesnar
Kurt Angle
Ken Shamrock
Tank Abbott
>> Anonymous
>>33481
6/10
>> Anonymous
>>33481

You left out Kimbo Slice
>> Anonymous
Fedor
Shogun
Dan Henderson
Georges St. Pierre
Shinya Aoki

>>33480

only if you follow one organization.
>> Anonymous
>>33498

Most of the good fighters are in one organization. And the japanese organization events are a joke.
>> Anonymous
>>33496

MORON

He actually forgot

Ernest Miller
Steve Blackman
Glacier

see the difference?
>> Anonymous
>>33510
and you forgot Dan The Beast Severn
fag
>> Anonymous
>>33531

touche, I'm sure there are more
>> Anonymous
Didn't GOLDBERG do some MMA? What about Steve Blackman
>> Anonymous
>>33503

>>Most of the good LHWs and HWs are in one organization. The top talent for the other weight classes are spread out like hell.

fixed
>> Anonymous
>>33503
please, the japanese orgs are just as good as the US ones, its just that you dont know who the jap fighters are and since theres no english commentators you cant diffrentiate an armbar from a kneebar.
>> Anonymous
Big Nog
Anderson Silva
Mark Hunt
Lyoto Machida
Fedor & Alexander
>> Anonymous
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Dan Severn, Glass Joe & Piston Honda, also Chauncey Shamrock (he wears a top hat and spats while making ppl tap out).
>> Anonymous
>>33805please, the japanese orgs are just as good as the US ones,

AHAHAHAHAHA! You forgot about the mismatches, the freakshows, the yakuza connections, the non-testing of steroids, the crooked judges, the "non-title" title fights...

Most jappo MMA organizations are a fucking joke. Only Shooto seems legit, and that's only because I haven't paid too much attention to it.
>> Anonymous
>>33822
Yeah because there arent any mismatches,freak shows, steroids or crooked judges in the UFC either? Broaden your fucking view, you even said you didn't pay any attention to the jap orgs.
>> Anonymous
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>>33822

>>mismatches

like when Evan Tanner, dude who litteraly spent two years drinking, got put in with Okami (#1 contender at MW

>>freakshows

pic related

>>crooked judges

Bisping-Hammill
>> Anonymous
not a sport, sage
>> Anonymous
>>33834

lol...

age
>> Anonymous
>>33666
HW isn't in one org either, as long as Fedor isn't fighting in it

LHW and MW are more centralized
>> Anonymous
>>33468
>>33834
It has rules, it's done for fun, it's a sport.
>> Anonymous
>>33840

then so is wrasslin.
>> Anonymous
>>33822
>AHAHAHAHAHA! You forgot about the mismatches,
Anderson Silva vs Chris Leben.
Rick Franklin vs Nate Quarry.
Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock

>the freakshows,
Brock Lesnar

>the yakuza connections,
Fertitta brothers have a direct connection to the Italian Mafia, their father, whom was a money launderer.

>the non-testing of steroids,
Testing doesn't stop people from using.

>> Anonymous
>AHAHAHAHAHA! You forgot about the mismatches,
Anderson Silva vs Chris Leben.
Rich Franklin vs Nate Quarry.
Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock

>the freakshows,
Brock Lesnar

>the yakuza connections,
Fertitta brothers have a direct connection to the Italian Mafia, their father, whom was a money launderer.

>the non-testing of steroids,
Testing doesn't stop people from using.

Josh Barnett
Tim Sylvia
Sean Sherk

Three champions caught, with their belt, 'roiding.

>the crooked judges,
Cecil Peoples

>the "non-title" title fights...
Oxymoron, there's no such thing as a "non-title title fight". Both fighters sign the contract, if they don't want to fight a non-title match, then they don't have to agree.

>Most jappo MMA organizations are a fucking joke. Only Shooto seems legit, and that's only because I haven't paid too much attention to it.
It seems like you haven't paid attention to MMA at all, let alone legitimate organizations in Japan.

Go back to Sherdog, you ignorant douche.
>> Anonymous
>>33841
Wrestling has been a sport before Jesus was born.
>> Anonymous
Nope. Not a sport. Merely a show.
>> Anonymous
>>33850
Eat shit and die, boxing fag.
>> Anonymous
>>33851
SHOW-WATCHER!!
>> Anonymous
>>33852
You're bad, and you should feel bad.
>> Anonymous
>>33844

December, 2006. Yoshida versus James Thompson.

Yoshida was a Japanese olympic gold medal winner and a hometown favorite. Thompson was an oafish white guy with a goofy haircut and a reputation for having a glass chin. The japanese media and fans all expected Thompson to lose. Thompson's pre-fight entrance video was actually a highlight of him getting knocked out! Everybody wanted him to lose, including the Pride fighting organization.

Unfortunately, when the fight started, Yoshida was quickly overpowered and ran out of gas in the beginning of the first round. Thompson was beating the crap out of him. Even though Yoshida was practically unconscious and unable to defend himself, the japanese referee refused to stop the fight because Yoshida was supposed to win! At one point, the Yoshida's comatose body was about to roll out of the ring, and the referee actually dragged Yoshida's body back into the middle of the ring so the fight can continue. The referee finally ended the fight when Thompson refused to punch Yoshida's unconscious body anymore.

The jappo organizations are a fucking joke. I was a Pride fanboy from 2003-2006. I stayed up all night to watch every live Pride event from Korean internet streams. I was distraught when Pride got shut down because of Yakuza problems.

And then I started watching UFC, and realized that that Pride was a fucking joke. The recent Yarrenoka event (organized by former Pride bosses) is a fucking joke, too (ie. Gomi getting a victory because of a bloody nose).
>> Anonymous
Any fighters you've recently become a fan of?
For me it's Lyoto Machida and Frank Mir. Machida is just so damn technical and Mir may very well be on his way back. He sure as hell looked in shape vs Brock.
>> Anonymous
>>33950
So whats you're point?
That PRIDE was biased towards Yoshida and that makes it a bad show? You're fucking clueless.

The UFC is such a fucking american biased show its retarded, while the same could be said for the jap shows having alot of jap fighters, at least PRIDE tried to mix it up. Silva is still in the UFC because hes BEEN FUCKING TEARING SHIT UP. Its funny, Anderson Silva, former PRIDE fighter middleweight champ. Rampage former PRIDE figther light heavyweight champ. Nogueira, former PRIDE fighter Heavyweight champ.
>> Anonymous
>>33950
>And then I started watching UFC, and realized that that Pride was a fucking joke. The recent Yarrenoka event (organized by former Pride bosses) is a fucking joke, too (ie. Gomi getting a victory because of a bloody nose).
Except for the fact that WASN'T Yarennoka, it was Sengoku, put on by a completely different company without ANY ties to PRIDE or DSE. Right?

Learn your fucking MMA first, you stupid UFC-loving faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>33950
enjoy ur inferior MMA.
>> Anonymous
>>34298

The Thompson-Yoshida fight is just one example of Japanese organizations being retarded. Here's a couple more off the top of my head:

-Making Fedor fight two worthless freakshows (Hong Man Choi, Zuluzinho). Imagine if UFC made Minotauro fight Brock Lesnar and Kimbo Slice.

-Non-title fights involving popular champions. Imagine if Chuck Lidell kept his belt after losing to Rampage because UFC decided it was a non-title fight. Several Pride champions have lost a fight, but kept their belt (ie. Gomi)

-Pride's fight cards are often not finalized until the week of the event. This is unprecedented in the world of professional sports. This means the athletes working in Pride have to take fights on a very short notice. They won't have enough time to train and cut weight properly. This hurts the athletes and the fans because we don't get to see them fight at 100% of their abilities.

-Misaki recently knocked out a half-korean fighter with an illegal kick. Of course, the Japanese referee allowed the kick, and gave Misaki a victory.

>Its funny, Anderson Silva, former PRIDE fighter middleweight champ. Rampage former PRIDE figther light heavyweight champ. Nogueira, former PRIDE fighter Heavyweight champ.

You forgot to mention Crocop, Shogun, Nakamura, Misaki, Fujita, and Gomi getting owned by UFC fighters.

Jesus christ, MISAKI THE JAPANESE FIGHTAN LEGEND got beat up by FRANK TRIGG the announcer!

And GOMI got SCHOOLED by NICK DIAZ!!! HOLY SHIT, THAT WAS HILARIOUS!
>> Anonymous
>>34315
You're blatantly trolling now, you might want to tone it down a notch for anyone to even remotely take you seriously.

4/10.
>> Anonymous
>>34315
>-Misaki recently knocked out a half-korean fighter with an illegal kick. Of course, the Japanese referee allowed the kick, and gave Misaki a victory.
And it was turned over by FEG, ruled as a No-Contest.
>> Anonymous
>>34315
-Non-title fights involving popular champions. Imagine if Chuck Lidell kept his belt after losing to Rampage because UFC decided it was a non-title fight. Several Pride champions have lost a fight, but kept their belt (ie. Gomi)
Who are the other ones besides Gomi?
>> Anonymous
>>34312

You're right. I got the jappo names confused. Yarennoka was the event where Misaki won with the illegal kick.

Sengoku was the more recent one, where Gomi won because of a questionable early stoppage.
>> Anonymous
>>34320

Wanderlei Silva
>> Anonymous
>>34315
No, Gomi got the keep his belt because Nick Diaz was high on pot.
>> Anonymous
anderson silva
rampage
gg
rashad evans


Favorite organization is obviously ufc right now but before that didnt care one way or another between it and pride.

Do love the cage rather than a ring however.
>> Anonymous
>>34324

The fight was originally a non-title fight so he would've kept the title anyway. Get your facts straight. Pride regularly set up non-title fights for their popular champions.

Gomi also lost against Marcus Aurelio in a non-title fight, but kept his belt.
>> Anonymous
>>34327
True, but he then defeated aurelio in the title fight so its a moot point. also it wouldnt have mattered if gomi diaz fight was a title fight or not since Diaz is a pothead.
>> Anonymous
Another example of Japanese asshattery:

-Guy Mezger versus Sakuraba. The fight was originally scheduled for 1 fifteen minute round, but Mezger was winning that round, so the Pride officials immediately ordered them to fight a second round so the Japanese Hero Sakuraba can try to come back and win.
>> Anonymous
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Another example of Japanese retardedness:

http://www.dreamofficial.com/

On March 15, there will be a major japanese MMA event called Dream. As you can see from the website, the opponent for Minowa (popular professional wrestler and MMA fighter) has not been determined yet! What kind of half-assed bullshit is that?
>> Anonymous
>>34329
another example of american asshattery:

-Matt hamill was crushing Bisping, but the judges was looking the other way so that the "rising star" bisping could win a bullshit decision.
>> Anonymous
>>33844

>>Go back to Sherdog, you ignorant douche.

The people at sherdog are fucking retarded, but they know what shooto is...

>>34320

They decide whether it's a non-title fight beforehand. If you want the title you don't have to agree to the fight.
>> Anonymous
>>34339
Whats the point?

Minowa is a huge draw in Japan just the same way fuckers like Brock makes huge draw.
>> Anonymous
>>34346

The point is that athletes need to train for weeks and months before a event. You can't wait until 1 day before the fight, then ask a random athlete to step into the ring.

The Japanese organizations obviously don't understand how the human body works, that's why they keep doing shit like waiting until the last minute before arranging a fight. The Japanese organizations also don't understand the concept of weight classes and force their athletes to fight too many times a year.
>> Anonymous
>>34344

You are correct. Hamil was winning the fight, and the American crowd BOO'ed when the decision was announced.

The Japanese never boo'ed when one of their fighters won because of bad judging/reffing.
>> Anonymous
>>34357
If you know anything about PRIDE you'd know that cards have been finalized usally weeks before the actual event date, its just that they don't release the whole card untill maybe a day before the event. Considering DREAMS is full of PRIDE staff this is no diffrent.
>> Anonymous
>>34359
The japanese crowd NEVER BOOS.

The crowd has NOTHING FUCKING TO DO with how fucking crocked a decision is, just face it the UFC is just as fucking crocked as PRIDE was, it's just that the overall ethnecity and entertainment was better then UFC. Any mma fan always choose to get the PRIDE PPV before the the UFC PPV if they just had to choose one (but any MMA fan always got both).
>> Anonymous
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I could forgive MMA for having rules that make every fight a sissy fights if when a popular fighter lost they'd acknowlege the loss instead of talking about how he didn't have enough time to train or that is widdle elbow was hurt.
>> Anonymous
not a sport, sage
>> Anonymous
>>33641
Goldberg did commentary for a fed and the other guy he was calling fights with apparently thought Goldberg was an MMA fighter and kept asking for his expert opinion to which goldberg replied, "the fighting i did was fake".
>> Anonymous
>>34373
Most do, only the arrogant and shitty fighters makes excuses.
>> Anonymous
>>34369

Now you're just making shit up. I was a former Pride fanboy. I kept up on the news and read fighter's blogs like Josh Barnett's.

Many Japanese fight cards are not completely finalized until a couple of weeks before the event. That's not nearly enough time for the athlete to train into fighting shape, practice their techniques, and cut the correct amount of weight before a professional fight.
>> sage sage
sage
>> Anonymous
>>34379
Yeah because the fighters don't start training before they know who they fight?
Please, the fighters that are under contract know they are fighting on a certain date and they will probably get a hint who they might be fighting. They just don't release it to the press. People take fights on short notice sometimes, ofcourse, but that shit happens EVERYFUCKING WHERE IN ANY FUCKING ORG.
>> Anonymous
>>34372Any mma fan always choose to get the PRIDE PPV before the the UFC PPV if they just had to choose one (but any MMA fan always got both).

The pay-per-view sales numbers say otherwise, which is why Pride is dead, and the UFC is growing.
>> Anonymous
>>34388
>Yeah because the fighters don't start training before they know who they fight?

There's a difference between regular training and good training. Many professional fighters modify their training regiment as soon as they find out who their next opponent is. For example, a fighter might hire a judo sparring partner for a couple of months.

We don't get to see a fighter's full capabilities if he only had two weeks to prepare for a match.
>> Anonymous
>>34392
Yeah because PRIDE was obviously so dependant on the american PPV buys, IF you'd know something about PRIDE it was that they lost their TV deal in japan because of ties with the Yakuza, WHICH is why they went out. The UFC is growing because they are pretty much running a monopoly at this moment, expect DREAM/WVR to change that.
>> Anonymous
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>>34399expect DREAM/WVR to change that.
>> Anonymous
>>34399
> Yeah because PRIDE was obviously so dependant on the american PPV buys

Yeah, I'm so sick of these baka gaijin thinking everything starts and ends with America.
>> Anonymous
>>34399

Dude, I know EVERYTHING about Pride. Even more than you. They lost their TV deal in Japan and DESPERATELY wanted to break into the growing USA MMA market. They NEEDED to break into the USA market. But they fucked up. They put on a couple of awful shows with lots of awkward moments and mismatched fights. And now Pride is dead.
>> Anonymous
>>34401
You can laugh all you want, but trust me, Japan at the moment has no org that filled the big shoes PRIDE left but with DREAMS and WVR coming there will be, PRIDE vs UFC will be DREAMS vs UFC in the future, count on it. Also go back to watching TUF and think that Andy Wang is an awesome fighter.
>> Anonymous
>>34404
>Dude, I know EVERYTHING about Pride. Even more than you.

What is something someone says when they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about?
>> Anonymous
>>34408Also go back to watching TUF and think that Andy Wang is an awesome fighter.

Stop putting words into my mouth. I never said I liked TUF or Andy Wang. In fact, I think TUF is a waste of time.
>> Anonymous
>>34404
Why even bother to just say what I just said?

You're the one who said PRIDE died due to UFC PPV. I'll fucking quote if you want.
>> Anonymous
UFC fighters train by carrying chuck liddle down the beach and fight over missing asparagus.
>> Anonymous
>>34409What is something someone says when they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about?

Name one false thing that I wrote about Pride in this thread.

I've been a Pride fan ever since Sakuraba beat the Gracies, and I spent 3 years watching their events on crappy Korean internet streams before Pride shut down.

Some aspects of Pride were superior to the UFC (high production values, willingness to pay big bucks for top fighters, etc), but Pride also did a lot of things that were retarded.
>> Anonymous
>>34415

They died because they knew they couldn't continue doing business in Japan because of the Yakuza scandal, and invested millions of dollars trying to break into the USA market, but they failed. THEY DIED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BREAK INTO THE AMERICAN MARKET!
>> Anonymous
>>34417
Everything you said that was so retarded about PRIDE is relevant to the UFC aswell.
>> Anonymous
>>34418
Are you shitting me? PRIDE died when they lost the TV deal, whatever funds they had left was they're desperate attempt to make it into the US, but they where dead before that.
>> Anonymous
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UFC could be fun if 90% of the fights didn't consist of guys tripping over each other and doing nothing just to have the ref stand them up so they can once again trip and not do anything.
>> Anonymous
>>34424
Only ignorant people think the fighters trip in fights and does nothing on the ground.
>> Anonymous
>>34418
Pride didn't need those gaijin dollars.
>> Anonymous
>>34425
no u.

Trip or not, they just lie on the ground, or if they're trying to "find a submission" they might start hugging.
>> Anonymous
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Only weeaboos and japs think Pride was a legit organization.
>> Anonymous
>>34431
only drunken americans and rednecks think UFC is a legit organization.

See I can play this game too!
>> Anonymous
>>34429
yes and thats exactly why you're ignorant, becuase you know shit about the sport and then make stupid shit up.
>> Anonymous
>>34434
No ur stupid for defending grown men who make a living falling down and hugging each other. At least rasslin admits they're fake.
>> Anonymous
UFC needs to crank out better cards, having monopoly in the american market gives them way to much waylay.
>> Anonymous
>>34436
Obvious troll is obvious.
>> Anonymous
>>34433

Actually, I'm an asian-american who started watching Pride because of it's focus on asian fighters, but switched over the UFC after they died and realized that Pride was fucking incompetent and retarded. Okami, Noguiera, and Rampage are my favorite UFC fighters now (two former Pride guys and one Jappo asian that I can relate with).
>> Anonymous
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White: Hey guys, I got a great idea, we get marketable fighters and feed them over hyped tomato cans.

Some guy: But what if the fighter we want to win loses?

White: Thats the brillant part, WE IGNORE IT!
>> Anonymous
>>34439
Yeah, whats so retarded and incompetent about PRIDE that made it such a shitty experience?
>> Anonymous
>>34440
So true, but there is no doubt that White is a fucking genious business man.
>> Anonymous
>>34443
As much as I hate to give the man whose raping this sports props, he is the man to be in MMA. As MMA fans we can only hope his monopoly crumbles.
>> Anonymous
Whats the deal with the cage? Is it suppose to be more badass (cuz it isn't) or is there a reason it's better for fighting?
>> Anonymous
>>34452
Its a novelty. The cage and the ring both have pros and cons. UFC even trademarked the octagon.
>> Anonymous
>>33833

>Bisping-Hammill

Still pissed about that.
>> Anonymous
>>34454
At least in the cage you don't break your neck and die when the other guy knocks your near unconcious ass over the top rope
>> Anonymous
>>34454

i think it's pretty fucked up how you can trademark a SHAPE.

i'm gonna go trademark the square! hur hur
>> Anonymous
Go to www.mma-tv.com and sign up. Stream the DREAM event which starts in 15 hours. Enjoy the most heavily stacked LW card in history.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>34618

Gentlemen...

Get ready for the first stage of the total domination of JZ Calvan...
>> Anonymous
Seriously why does the org vs org bullshit spread EVERYWHRE. Jesus christ watch the fights and shut the fuck up.

Also, who else is fucking excited to see this lightweight tournament? It's going to be badass. Can't wait for Aoki JZ, I think JZ takes it but I would love for Aoki to pull some sort of flying reverse gogoplata with his rainbow tights.
>> Anonymous
fucking Rampage
>> Anonymous
I've always wondered if there's any fighters that occasionally troll 4chan. I could see Mayhem Miller and Joe Lauzon poppin in now and again. Anyone else?
>> Anonymous
>>34718

Miller has /b/ written all over him
Barnett would be at home in either /a/ or /co/
>> Anonymous
>>34618

www.mma-tv.com does not exist :(
>> Anonymous
>>34740
it was .net

but go here http://www.joesondo.org/ it's the same site just a fake front page for joe sondo fan club. or just www.mma-tv.net if you don't believe me.

card will start in probably 6-7 hours.

JZ will dominate and aoki is a dick who had to cheat (threw a good 20 or so rabbit punches) to win his last match.
>> Anonymous
the joe sondo front page thing is just to cover up the fact that the site is slightly illegal. Just sign up and log in and itll take you to the streams.
>> Anonymous
There is no such thing as MMA-TV you dumb niggers.

Also, DREAM is on tonight.
>> Anonymous
>>34629

in an interview, saku said he was very embarrassed to wear the HG getup, but razor ramon is very popular in japan...
>> Anonymous
there are two types of MMA fans:

UFC fans and

MMA fans.

UFC fans are typically white americans who brush off any other MMA organization besides the UFC, and MMA fans are knowledgeable fans from all walks of life who enjoy MMA.

A UFC fan will never watch PRIDE, but a PRIDE fan would watch UFC.

A UFC fan cheers chants USA USA USA to cheer

A MMA fan chants their fighter's name to cheer
>> Here we go again... Anonymous
>>35044there are two types of MMA fans:
Wrong, there are three types:
-Pride fanboys
-UFC fanboys
-People who appreciate MMA as a sport

>UFC fans are typically white americans who brush off any other MMA organization besides the UFC
And Pride fans are typically asians who brush off any other MMA organization besides the Japanese ones.

>A UFC fan will never watch PRIDE, but a PRIDE fan would watch UFC.
Pride fanboys HAVE to watch UFC because Pride is dead.

>A UFC fan cheers chants USA USA USA to cheer
A Pride fan cheers when a Japanese fighter wins because of an illegal move or crooked officiating.
>> Anonymous
Intelligent MMA fans know that UFC takes better care of their fighters. This is why UFC is superior to Pride.

The Japanese organizations do a lot of things that are dangerous to the athlete's health:

-Arranging fights on very short notices. Many event cards are not finalized until the final week, which means some of the fighters on that card won't have time to train and cut weight properly. In UFC, the fight cards are determined two or three months before the event.

-No drug testing (Kevin Randleman's body broke down because he used too many drugs while fighting in Pride). In the UFC, every event has random drug testing.

-No recuperation time between fights. During those stupid annual Pride tournaments, a fighter can fight up to 3 times in less than a month, with two fights taking place in the same night! Meanwhile, UFC fighters are given 4-6 months to rest after a fight.

You'll notice that UFC fighters tend to have longer careers than Pride fighters. That's because UFC understands how the human body works and takes care of their athletes.

Just look at how Pride treated their biggest star Kazushi Sakuraba. The man's body is a mess:
>However, during a hard sparring session for the upcoming bout Sakuraba began vomiting and fainted. After being rushed to the hospital he was diagnosed with vertebrobasilar damage that restricted blood circulation to the head and neck area. The doctors determined the damage was caused from years of untreated head injuries dating back to his college years.

If you're a REAL mma fan, then you'd pray that your favorite fighter get a contract from the UFC instead of from one of those crazy Japanese organizations that expect their athletes to become manga characters.

I used to be a Pride fanboy. My favorite fighters are former Pride fighters like Minotauro and Anderson Silva. But I like UFC better because they treat the athletes right.
>> Anonymous
>>35127
>>35135

UFC fans right?
>> Anonymous
lol UFC