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So I know /sp/ hates Kimbo. Why is he such a bad fighter though? I'm a newcomer to the MMA world, but he seems pretty impressive. He's certainly a physical freak, is his fighting style too basic?
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>> Anonymous
>>129770So I know /sp/ hates Kimbo

lol wut
>> Anonymous
/sp/'s drinking hatorade.

Kimbo has a great story and he's a brawler = Fun to watch. Problem is there's too much hype surrounding a 34 year old who's only had 3 pro MMA fights.

Yes, he'd lose to an elite fighter. Hell, he'd probably lose to an above average fighter. But he's a quality striker and has a chin of steel. I'll watch every one of his fights and so will all the haters.
>> Anonymous
>but he seems pretty impressive.

He's not impressive at all and he's being pushed so hard to be marketed. I love the sport of mixed martial arts and this guy is a joke. Kimbo Slice is exactly the kind of thing I don't want in my sport.
>> Anonymous
No, it's the MMA people that dislike him. And only because he doesn't have mat/grapple skills. I think he's fine. I mean, it's *Mixed* Martial Arts. He's a beast, he sells tickets.
>> Anonymous
I bet you EliteXC and Shaw won't even make the Brett Rogers/Slice fight happen since they know Kimbo will get absolutely destroyed and their star will be done for.
>> Anonymous
He doesn't roll around on the mat with sweaty men enough for /sp/
>> Anonymous
Tito Ortiz vs Kimbo Slice, EliteXC...... watch I bet you.
>> Anonymous
>>129789
MMA fans hate him because he fought a tomato can in the main event and shoud have lost to him in the 2nd round if it wasn't for the fix.
>> Anonymous
>>129786
>But he's a quality striker and has a beard of steel.
fixed

But seriously hes the heavy hitter boxing would love to have, but hes in MMA where people want to see technical skillz
>> Anonymous
>>129770
>Why is he such a bad fighter though?

Did you watch his Youtube Videos? If you did, did you see his opponents? Your grandmother coul take half his roster in 2 minutes flat in any given alley. I like him, I lik ehis attitude and his story.

And he's a brawler. You don't see too much of that anymore in MMA because they pride themselves on the technical aspect of the sport so people wont call them psuedo-boxing.

Thus, when they usher in a brawler/street fighter, they are very careful about who they put them up against.
>> Anonymous
Because Kimbo likes soccer. He's just a big overall fag.
>> Anonymous
Kimbo was exposed on Saturday.

EliteXC was exposed on Saturday.

All of these statements are true.
>> Anonymous
Kimbo would get owned by any legit MMA fighter. They focus on the technicality of the sport not because they don't want to be associated with boxing but because that's what makes you a good fighter. You can't just go out there and throw bombs, get gassed in 2 min. and expect to win.
>> Anonymous
Kimbo has only gone up against people who throw punches, or ground and pound...

None of the three guys he has faced has even thrown a fucking kick...
>> Anonymous
I smell a bunch of fuck niggaz in this thread
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>>129943
Young Mike Tyson begs to differ.
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>>130041
deadliest man of his time? OR DEADLIEST MAN OF HIS TIME?
>> Anonymous
I disagree

signed

Bob Sapp
>> Anonymous
>>And only because he doesn't have mat/grapple skills.

No it's because he's getting promoted over fighters with better records. If Kimbo vs. Thompson was on the undercard 85% of the people who have a problem with him would go away.

And Fedor's brother Aleks would put him away standing.
>> Anonymous
Take this shit to /tv/
>> Anonymous
>>129786
>But he's a quality striker and has a chin of steel.
Brawling != Striker, you pig-disgusting whore.
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I like Kimbo & Carano. What I don't like is some boring ass technical / grappling bullshit that's the reason nobody but a buncha faggots care about teh sport as it is. O hay Gracies, wow you guys sure can 'grapple!' What's that UFC, you want me to pay $40 to watch those faggots wrestle?! Bwahahaha. No.
InB4 0/10 faggotry. I'm not trolling, nigger. Fuck "technical fighters," get in there and give me my moneys worth. Oh, it was free? Then stop crying about it.
>> Anonymous
Kimbo has fought an over the hill boxer, an over the hill and over weight old school MMA fighter, a can known for getting knocked out within the first minute of most of his fights, and a can that's known for getting knocked out in the first five minutes of each of his fights but looks big and scary.

Kimbos boxing is second rate, his cardio is shit, his ground skills are terrible. He's a brawler and thats about it. You can't say he has decent striking because he hasn't fought a decent striker, and frankly he looks sloppy. If he ever fights someone who doesn't have a losing record he'll likely lose.

MMA people hate him because EliteXC is proping him up and most people who know nothing about fighting are going to think he's some amazing badass when he would lose to 90% of heavyweights that are on any main card. Plus the undeniable fact that fights he's involved in are sketchy at best.

We hate him because new people think he's good and he just fucking sucks, call it elitest but it's annoying he gets so much coverage. Think Michael Jordan playing baseball.
>> Anonymous
>>133053
I think if he just had good cardio he'd be a sight to watch just because he's a brawler. other than that, you're right.
>> Anonymous
>>133053
Hold up there weeper.

Your criticisms are completely valid, but going so far to say that Kimbo sucks...aren't you getting a little carried away?

"Overrated" is not "sucks".
>> Anonymous
>>133059
Then how would you compare him to your average heavyweight? James Thompson sucks and took him deep, in any other situation the ref would have called it in the second round for Thompson. The TKO was a bit premature and if it would have ended at that point Thompson won the first 2 rounds vs Kimbos 1 round, which would have meant win for Thompson.

The only people he's beaten are terrible. Thompson lost to fucking BUTTERBEAN a year ago and hasn't had a meaningful win in his career.

So, against your middle of the road professional fighter, Slice would be in the same category as the fools he's beaten. I.e. he sucks. Sloppy brawling isnt enough anymore, no take down defense isn't enough, shitty grappling isnt enough, no cardio past round one isn't enough. Which category is he good in that would lead me to believe he doesnt suck? That's right, none. Unless a big beard and big muscles counts.
>> Anonymous
slice is good for the sport.

ok i'm trolling
>> Anonymous
>>133059
If you had to put Kimbo in a category of good, average, or bad where would you put him?

He's only had a year of training so it's not like sucking is a terrible thing, it's to be expected. But the fact remains he sucks and is the main event.
>> Anonymous
HEY FAGGOTS.

TAKE IT TO /tv/
>> Anonymous
>>133084

Kimbo vs. Butterbean in who can get the knockout in the first 10 seconds...
>> Anonymous
>>133108

They both gas and pass out.
>> Anonymous
Theres a fine line between sports and sports entertainment. Kimbo would fall into sports entertainment, a freakshow. Better than your average freakshow sure, but he's never beaten anyone you could even consider a lower tier heavyweight and he looked pretty terrible against Thompson. If you are new I suggest you check out some background on Thompson. Thompson has been knocked out cold by guys with terrible striking in the first round quiet often, he has no head movement and is basically a scary looking punching bag. Not knocking out Thompson basically means your striking is sub par.

His other victories are over guys with twice as many loses as wins.

Give me one reason to believe he's anything but bad. You have to prove something to be considered worthwhile, you don't just get it from beating terrible fighters. Better than cans, sure, but better than bad heavyweights? Sorry, no dice.
>> Anonymous
Butterbeans boxing is tons better and he's actually shown a submission game. He's also fought more than one round without gassing as poorly as Kimbo.

To compare, here is Butterbean vs James Thompson (the guy who kimbo just fought)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/butterbean%2Bthompson/video/x5ecc4_thompson-vs-butterbea
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>> Anonymous
>>133122
also just to make it clear butterbean is a pretty terrible fighter but would still beat kimbo.
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kimbo has not showed us much besides being a big tough scary looking guy with a good punch.

but
he's new to the mma
and
he's got some good trainers that bought in to thinking that he can fight (picture very related)

so i'm withholding judgement on his level of skill for now
>> Anonymous
What the fuck is a Kimbo Slice?
>> Anonymous
/tv/
>> Anonymous
>>133128
You can say the same about anybody. His future skill level is unknown, but theres no denying his current skill level is poor.

Holding out because he might eventually be good is basically admitting that he currently is pretty bad. Stop denying that to yourself.

It's not like people are saying he is always going to suck. The only thing we currently know is that right now he does.
>> Anonymous
People this is /sp/ we talk about SPORTS.
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>>133142
A lot of MMA fighters win Ironman Triatholons and qualify for Olympics in Greco and Freestyle Wrestling and Judo. They are tons more athletic than anyone you'll find in basketball/baseball/soccer/hockey/football. This is much more of a sport than you are assuming. Stop trolling me.
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>>133151A lot of MMA fighters win Ironman Triatholons and qualify for Olympics in Greco and Freestyle Wrestling and Judo. They are tons more athletic than anyone you'll find in basketball/baseball/soccer/hockey/football. This is much more of a sport than you are assuming. Stop trolling me.
Don't overstate it. He shouldn't sage-troll, but you've got to be reasonable.

Which MMA guys won an Ironman Triathlon? Google says the Diaz brothers finished an Ironman half-triathlon in reasonable time. (This is quite athletic, but it's not winning.)

As for comparisons to other sports, there are unathletic members in every sport and hyper-athletic members as well.

MMA is definitely a sport, but even major sports like tennis gets sage-trolled here. Just ignore the sages.
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>>133162
Nick Diaz was first to finish
>> Anonymous
>>133168Nick Diaz was first to finish
http://www.athleteslounge.com/results/event/1942/results.php
17th Annual Vineman Ironman 70.3 Triathlon (July 22nd, 2007)
Justin Hurd (1st place) Swim 00:31:31.7 T1 00:00:39.2 Bike 02:17:54.8 T2 00:01:44.6 Run 01:14:29.3 Finish 04:06:19.7
Nick Diaz (168th place) Swim 00:32:13.8 T1 00:01:45.8 Bike 02:32:15.1 T2 00:01:53.1 Run 01:48:33.1 Finish 04:56:41.0
Diaz is clearly athletic, a sub-5-hour time is great. He's not an Ironman 70.3 winner, unless you can find cite some other Ironman 70.3 that he won.
>> Anonymous
Kimbo was in "In The VIP" porn films before all this shit.

Put him against Frank Shamrock and see what happens.
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>>133229
screens?
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>>133252
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxIsiTo4VJo

SFW, obviously
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>>133153
yes, i see it now.
>> Anonymous
Pros:
Hits like a truck
Fairly sure he could be shot and the bullet would bounce

Cons:
No ground game at all. Even other brawlers just need to drag him down and he is useless
No Endurance. He gets winded in the first couple minutes and loses all accuracy with his punches

So right now, he sucks becuase he has superflaws. Atleast to his advantage, he has some of the stuff you cant learn. You cant learn an iron fist or chin, but you can work up endurance and atleast enough ground game to escape.

For what its worth, I would rather watch Brock as a newcomer to the sport. Hes all the upside, and seems to be working on his problems rather then just fighting scrubs.
>> Anonymous
>Hits like a truck

Kimbo couldn't knock out James "Glass Jaw" Thompson. I don't think casual MMA fans realize how weak Thompson's chin is. He's gotten knocked out five times in his last 8 fights.

Kimbo's punches must be weak as hell, because he got 5 or 6 good hits, and Thompson remained standing.
>> Anonymous
>>For what its worth, I would rather watch Brock as a newcomer to the sport. Hes all the upside, and seems to be working on his problems rather then just fighting scrubs.

Brock Lesnar has a whole lot more potential than Kimbo does. He was an NCAA wrestling champion and was good enough to play in a few pre-season NFL games. In his second ever MMA match he went up against Frank Mir and did pretty well for himself.

Kimbo's biggest "achievement" is winning a few street fights and fighting a few cans in EliteXC.

I have no hate for Kimbo as a person, but he's not a great athlete or fighter.
>> Anonymous
KIMBO BELONGS IN WWE WITH ALL THE OTHER FAKE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT PEOPLE. ALSO WE HATE HIM CAUSE HE'S A NIGGER, LRN24CHAN YOU DILDO.
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why is there a gorilla fighting a human?
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>>133365

Kimbo would KO Brock in 30 seconds.
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>>133414
seriously whats a huges dildos
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KIMBO SLICE VS BROCK LESNAR
KIMBO SLICE VS BROCK LESNAR
KIMBO SLICE VS BROCK LESNAR
KIMBO SLICE VS BROCK LESNAR
KIMBO SLICE VS BROCK LESNAR