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Anonymous
Chinkfag here. I'm feeling rather nervous about the Olympics. I mean, it's wonderful that my ancestral land is dominating and all. But I'm not too sure if China should actually win the game. It feels rather dangerous if China were to win.

At the moment, the West appears to be in a state of butthurt and are doing all they can to discredit China. From whining about hoooman wrights and nitpicking about everything. To be frank, Chinese have most of the same rights as westerners aside from giving their leaders the finger and a shitty firewall.

I'm a bit worried about America and co. snapping as a result of being pwned by China and messing up the Iraq war at the same time. It's bad enough that America is losing prestige on the world stage, but if America loses Olympics as well(Coming Second.), I'm not too sure what would happen.

China will dominate (And they should.), but I'm not sure if this is really the right time, with world politics being so volatile as it is. So I honestly believe a best case scenario would be a draw between China and America. Just to be safe.

What do you think?
>> Anonymous
lol 5 inch penors
>> Anonymous
Get your politics out of my Olympics.
>> Anonymous
Did the Chinaman in OP's pic survive?
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
you europeans sure don't have much to do...

How about trying to win some medals and stop riding on China/ "european union"
>> Anonymous
No chinks on 4chan
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>To be frank, Chinese have most of the same rights as westerners aside from giving their leaders the finger and a shitty firewall.

You are either not Chinese or so fucking Chinese that you have no idea what goes on in your own country

that is the problem with the Chinese, btw, their info is so limited, that they actually think this retarded shit is true
>> Anonymous
Nice try, but the Chinese government doesn't allow their people to visit 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>256385
>>256380

40% of 4Chan's traffic is actually from China.
>> Anonymous
>>256393
those are everybody's proxy
>> Anonymous
>>256384
See? You've been fed too much western propaganda.
I assure you, The Chinese government ain't perfect. But it's nothing like what most Westerners think. Stop being so extreme. It's OK there. Not a wonderland that's for sure.
>> Anonymous
>>256377
Still looking for the body.
>> Anonymous
>>256361
That chinks a replicator.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256411
sorry
I get my info from chinese ex-pats

saying "western media" doesn't magically erase chinese human rights abuses, no matter how much you want it to

here's a fun little story

Ms. Zhang, a Beijing resident who has been seeking redress for what she claims was the illegal demolition of her house, applied for a protest permit in early August and began planning her public demonstration. She is now serving a month-long sentence for "disturbing social order," according to her family. She is among a half-dozen people who have been detained after they sought permission to protest in one of three city parks set aside for demonstrations.
>> Anonymous
>>256464
Spoilers: Same thing happens in the US, except the cover-up is easier because no one's out there trying to demonize the US government.

Oh, and don't even get me started on Guantanamo bay. We could have a week-long discussion on "immorally detained," if you want.
>> Anonymous
>>256464
I never said it does. But it's pretty obvious that the West continues to be bias against China. Rather than helping China solves these issues, they can egging on China. You can't keep building up a mountain of criticism without compliments. China is actually trying to improve. So give China a chance.

And is that the best story you can come up with?
There's much worse. You know?
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256485
1) you are incredibly dumb
2) no it does
3) we gave enemy combatant (possible terrorists) habeas corpus. The Chinese don't even give Chinese citizens that

eat a dick with your "omg the US does the same" because no matter how much of a faggot you are, it won't make that retarded fantasy or yours true
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256487
lol
what is hilarious is that that was actually the first story I came across the other day (I think it was dated 8/14 or some shit)

I even thought to myself "wtf? this is the first fucking story I came across and it is entirely unfathomable in the US"
>> Anonymous
>>256496
Looks like nothing can change your irrational hatred for things unamerican. It's a shame, in a information age where everyone can reach each other easily(Yes, you can reach China on the internet.). Yet, you still insist to live in the cold war age. Where that must be a rival and an enemy. Chinese all agree that China needs improvement. But the last thing China needs is a bunch of do-gooders white knights acting like they own China and generally being an ass without any useful contribution aside from 'nuke china!'.
>> Anonymous
>>256496
"We" didn't give Guantanamo Bay prisoners, who may or may not be enemy combatants, anything, except a nice place to sleep.

Last I checked, it was a group of elderly law experts who did. Not the elected US government, if you're not familiar with out the system works.
>> Anonymous
>>256521
It wouldn't happen in Europe either idiot.

Enjoy your tyranical regime.
>> Anonymous
>>256530
Is the Judicial Branch part of the US goverment or not, dumbass?
>> Anonymous
>>256393
Actually America has 60 gold medals and Michael Phelps broke the record for total gold medals swimming with one leg this year.
>> Anonymous
Blah blah blah, it's cool to hate America, even though they are the only superpower, blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah, most Chinese people are poor farmers or have shitty factory jobs, blah blah blah Chinks.
>> Anonymous
>>256539
That's excellent. Makes me feel better too.
>> Anonymous
>>256485
an old man that lived near me refused to sell his land to the government so they could build a road on top of his house, so they built the road to go around his property. you know that story would end a little differently in china
>> Anonymous
I laughed.
>> Anonymous
For the love of God, I am only going to say this once:

/sp/ is not the new /n/. Old /n/ is DEAD. I come here to discuss sports, and I see ten different threads just like this, clogging the tubes, full of faggots trolling other faggots about how their home country sucks. This board is not a place to air your pathetic racist complaints. This is a SPORTS board. I don't care about the Europe vs. America or China vs. America drama cliche bullshit. I care about SPORTS. So how about we start fucking talking about them?
>> Anonymous
>>256542
You forgot Blah blah blah Europe is superior here all health care is paid for by the state and everyone lives in harmo... GET THE FUCK OUT OF GERMANY YOU FILTHY TURKS
>> Anonymous
>>256538
Is the Supreme Court appointed or not, dumbass?
>> Anonymous
>>256552

Yes but the organs harvested from his dead body would go to very needy Americans! Thank you for the kidneys, China!
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
oh
my bad
I thought it was the UIS Constitution as interpreted by the courts

not like I konw anything about the law; I'm just a lawyer
>> Anonymous
>>256557

EPIC LULZ! +99999
>> Anonymous
>>256554
Technically this thread is about sports. I know it's pretty newsfaggy. But you know.
>> Anonymous
>>256552
That's only because a court decided not to grant the government eminent domain. The US government would have built right over his house while he was still in it if they could. They are no different than China.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256521
when did I ever say "nuke china?"
I just don't think that sticking my head in the sand, improbable moral equivalencies like "US does the same" (despite being completely untrue), or assholes saying "omg denial of property rights and freedom of speech? that's not even that bad" are doing anything to help the situation.

Hell, I don't think you even know what the situation to be perfectly honest

so fuck you. Equivocation and excuse making are the real enemy here. People making themselves aware of human rights abuses are the ones who want to fix them
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256573
um, except they pay you for it, and they don't arrest you when you protest
and it is unthinkble that they would arrest you for applying for A PERMIT TO PROTEST

wtf
you people who think this is the same may think you are being kind, but you are the real assholes here
>> Anonymous
>>People making themselves aware of human rights abuses are the ones who want to fix them

I highly doubt that.
>> Anonymous
>>256578
Hey, I'm not denying China has problems with human rights.

I'm just saying, it's wrong for the West to get on its high horse and criticize China so harshly like that, when they have human rights problems, too. I mean, look at the UK. The god damned UN came out and told them off for human rights issues just recently.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256582
you clearly know nothing about America and its ultra-liberal human rights obsessed sub-cultures
>> Anonymous
>>256585
hey when someone takes a girl away from singing an opening song cause shes ugly and throws a cute one in to lip sync i must say Welcome to the World Commrade.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256585
I hate the human rights abuses of the West too

I just don't think that my response to western human rights abuses should be the tolerance of eastern ones

I'm not really sure what the two have to do with one another
>> Anonymous
>>256578

In the US they'll send you to a labor camp for protesting, right? People think this shit is hyperbole, but it's absolutely true.

The Chinese people have a low quality of life, a fucking terrible environment, and very little, if any, freedom to express themselves. How people can predict they're going to overtake the US with 100 million people over 80 years old in the next few decades, sky-high lung cancer rates, depleted natural resources, and a Totalitarian regime is beyond me.
>> Anonymous
Australia's prime minister got it right. Complimented China for where it was due and then Criticized China's human rights and offered a variety of solutions on how China can improve, without angering anyone.

That's how it should be. None of this holier than thou nonsense.
>> Anonymous
>>256559
Yes, the Supreme court being appointed by the President and confirmed by the Congress totally makes them not part of the US government. Good point.

But I'm sure you consider all appointed Cabinet-level positions a part of the US government, because they are part of the Executive Branch. Why? For lulz.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256594
Um
I think you're confusing Lao Gais with some shit you made up or were told by propagandists.

That doesn't happen here
>> Anonymous
>>256557
Germany is for the Germans, not the turks. What is so difficult to understand?
>> Anonymous
>>256590
I have no fucking clue what the hell you're trying to say.

Maybe I'm just dense, but are you possibly trying to play the old, "Oh, China took away the poor little girl from singing."

Now, let's just think about this for a second. Here's China, a country of people that has faced countless stereotypes from Westerners about their visual appearance for centuries. They have a nice voice, but they're worried they'll get slammed through everyone else saying, "Lol, ugly Chinese," which, admit it, some of you would have, or, they'll be looked down upon, as, "Geez, China could pick anyone, and they took that ugly little gir? Do they have no pretty people who can sing?" I really think China was trying to do the best for the view of the country and the people, but I just think they really went about it in a completely wrong way, without putting much consideration into it.

Good intentions, road to hell, paving, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>256601

What are you, a Communist party official?

http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/china-school-teacher-sent-to-labor-camp-for-posting-earthq
uake-photos-on-internet/

Fuck off.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256595
there is no "holier than thou" nonsense

the problem with the chinese is that they can't separate themselves from their government. Thus, when a westerner says "omg human rights" the chinese (despite being the victims) respond by saying "omg but Iraq war" or something equally irrelevant, out of some misguided sense of pride.

I think the US does bad things and China does bad things. Why the fuck can't I talk about the bad things that China does?
>> Anonymous
>>256597
Read the post, friend.

>>256530
>the elected US government
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256609
huh?
I think we are on the same side, guy
>> Anonymous
>>256594
As always, it's obvious you can hardly back nay of those fact up. China's got loads of resources. Worst yet, most Americans assume that China's gonna overtake the US. That's why there's all this fear mongering going on. Who knows? Maybe China's not interested in superpower status. And it might be the case as well.

Even if it's true, then it's best to make sure that China improves their way of doing things before rising to power. Lending a hand to China is the right thing to do. But hey, if China really is evil at the end of the day, then so be it. At least you've tried right?

No need for hate.
>> Anonymous
>>256612
You can, and no one says you can't.

Which brings up the problem with the Americans. They don't have that much to really bitch about in their government, so they feel they need to bitch about everyone else's.

Honestly, if you think all Chinese are just brainwashed idiots running around spouting propaganda, that says more about your perception of the Chinese as a race than the Chinese government.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256614
well, it turns out that it was actually the founding fathers that did that
The SCOTUS is just applying the law they they wrote
>> Anonymous
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>>256601

Oh really, so what do they do a Lao Gai exactly? Get foot massages?
>> Anonymous
>>
the problem with the chinese is that they can't separate themselves from their government. Thus, when a westerner says "omg human rights" the chinese (despite being the victims) respond by saying "omg but Iraq war" or something equally irrelevant, out of some misguided sense of pride.


Stop assuming things.

Chinese youth CAN separate themselves from the government. Only this time was a tad bit different with the Olympics and all.

Don't do this. America took many reckless decisions in the past based only on assumptions and misunderstanding.It's dangerous thinking like this. Causes a lot of unnecessary damage.

Try to interpret China as many Shades of gray as opposed to just black and white.
>> Anonymous
>>256595without angering anyone

Without accomplishing anything.

China will not improve its human rights record because the Australian PM gave it some helpful tips. It will only do so as a result of internal pressure, which is in turn affected by external pressure.

Much of the problem is that Chinese culture (specifically, Han) is mostly a centralist, dont-rock-the-boat culture, and the university system, which used to breed dissent as the bastard stepchild of China's early tech policies, have now turned into knowledge factories for Chinese engineers.

China is clunking their way towards representitive democracy, much like Europe once. Problem is, Europe got started down that road hundreds of years ago.
>> Anonymous
>>256628
Yeah, but the interesting fact is that the wonderful rights that we as citizens of the US love so much are often not respected by the people we put in office -- supposedly people we choose because of the fact we have those rights, and that it's up to someone we have very little say in installing to protect those rights.

The irony is staggering, no?
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256627
I've conversed with Chinese citizens
Without fail, every time you bring up their government's (certainly not their own) human rights abuses, they say something about the Iraq war

Or somebody jsut denies it (I'm sure that happened in this thread; wasn't that the start of this whole retarded shit?)

like I said, you people think you are being good and tolerant, but you are just deflecting problems and trying to Obfuscate real concerns

If one of you niggers would, just for a moment, not deny the truth, not say some made up shit about "western media bias" or not mention the sty in our own eye, maybe we could begin to address real concerns

but you fuckers will never let that happen
>> Anonymous
>>256642
Then let China clunk their way along. Trying to instigate a large-scale political change when a country simply isn't ready for it causes bad things. Just look at all the wonderful "reformed" governments the US loves to put in place.

Musharraf, anyone? How about Hussein?
>> Anonymous
>>256642
Keep in mind China only had 20 years worth of reform since the 1970's. Not 100 years. So you maybe right.
>> Anonymous
>>256649
What's this "you fuckers" shit.

I am a US citizen, born and raised. Sure, I'm ethnically Chinese, but that doesn't have much to do with this. Seriously, all I would like to see here is some respect on both sides. Criticize where it's needed, compliment where it's due, and don't make sweeping generalizations, lest we repeat Korematsu.
>> Anonymous
Hi guyz.
>>>/newpol/
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256643
no
the wonderful fact is that even when the peopl we put into office don't respect those right
We have a high court that is beholden to them. And in spite of media criticism will say "enemy combatants have the right of habeas corpus"

just like china does
wait what?
>> Anonymous
>>256649
Evidently, many Chinese are quite defensive on this issue. And was most likely looking for a quick counter-argument as opposed to a one much more in depth. It is much more wiser to approach them calmly, as opposed to just outright criticize. It is important to convince Chinese that your criticism is from the kindness of your heart. And in truth, you wish them well.

Also, everyone's different. There's bound to be a few down-right retarded Chinese who sucks off the Chinese government.
>> Anonymous
>>256668
What I was trying to say is, officials who obtain their position undemocratically are often, in the US government, those who protect "democratic" institutions.

Basically, the point is the irony. That "democracy" is supposedly the American cure-all, but often it fails, very badly, and people need to take a step back and realize things like this.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256679
unfettered democracy is not (nor was it ever meant to be) a cure all

that is specifically why why have rights and a high court to enforce them. To protect the minority against the tyranny of the majority
>> Anonymous
>>256614
Appointment is election by representitive officials.

Next you'll say the US' laws aren't "our" laws because citizens didn't directly vote on them.

What a ridiculous division.
>> Anonymous
>>256682
Yes, I realize this. However, in American foreign policy rhetoric, and oftentimes the beliefs of the American people, "democracy" is the thing we can bring to all the "poor little third world countries with mean rulers" that's instantly gonna make everything better, when, in reality, that fails just as often as it actually succeeds in stabilizing, let alone actually help out the people of the country.

Change brought from without is rarely as successful as change done from within. Don't force the Chinese government, and especially the Chinese people, to do things that China as a country is not yet ready for.

Like I said earlier, you can try and do the "Papa US knows best strategy," but that often turns out in a Musharraf or Hussein sort of way.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256678
I would love (more than anything) to be able to communicate to them that my criticisms of their government are not criticisms of them. And that, ideed, my criticisms of their government stems from nothing less than my love for them. Most of the time, though, the moment you mention anything critical of the chinese government, they get defensive and respond with what amount to a non-seuitur

and it doesn't help when you have Americans saying "omg you don't even konw western media bias". When the truth is that they don't even know, and are only helping to perpetuate offenses against our fellow man
>> Anonymous
>>256694
Excuse me then, replace "elected" with "popularly elected," then.

Happy? The point is, the people don't choose them, no matter how you wish to split hairs on "elected" and "appointed," playing the semantics game.
>> Anonymous
>>I think the US does bad things and China does bad things. Why the fuck can't I talk about the bad things that China does?

Another misunderstanding. I repeat, you CAN talk about China's screwups. Just be a bit more considerate. As this is some other country.
Also, it's during the Olympics as well. So you can't blame Chinese for being paranoid.

The situation isn't as simple as everyone would like to think. It's just not the right time.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256709
I think his point is that, by that logic, we don't make our own laws either, simply because we elect representatives to make them for us

we elect the people who appoint judges, so by proxy, we appoint them
>> Anonymous
>>256702
You know, I know what's wrong with your attempt to help the Chinese.

Ever heard of the "White Man's Burden"?

Look, don't approach this with a paternalistic, "I am the American bastion of freedom, listen to me, I love you and want to help you to become free like me!" sort of way. Have you ever stopped to consider the thoughts and feelings of the Chinese people? I'm sure that, being a proud race with a strong history and tradition of self-reliance and independence, marred by a century of European imperialism, would much prefer to deal with their own internal problems internally, even if it's not done in the best way, rather than follow the lead of the West.
>> Anonymous
>>256702
:D
>> Anonymous
>>256701
Foreign policy is Machiavelian. You can use it to evaluate the ability or wisdom of the people in charge, but it is not very insightful as to the nature of the state.

The US, nor any other country, installs puppet governments to make the world a better place; they do it for their short-term advantage.

If the US were to self-inflict the same standards of "democracy" internally as they do on other countries... like what is going on in Zimbabwe or Sudan... then you could say the US system was rotten.
>> Anonymous
man this thread got so fucking crazy
it doesnt even make sense anymore
>> Anonymous
>>256712Just be a bit more considerate. As this is some other country.

What you fail to understand is that this is 4chan, and the 3% of the posters willing to stick it out through a pseudo-intellectual conversation will not be the same posters will be back tomorrow will "LOL chinks" or "AMERIKKKA SUXXORS" tomorrow.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256724
but I do love them, and I do what them to not be imprisoned for political dissent and even the application for a petition to protest the demolition of their home

I think that is something we all deserve, and if that sounds paternalistic, then so be it. I will just be that

extremely relativism and the refusal to judge only helps those who would be judged harshly
>> Anonymous
>>256727
So, you're of the belief that it's okay for the US, as a nation, to put itself on a stage, on a high pedestal, as the "land of the free, and home of the brave," then to go around and continually violate the ideals of freedom and courage, for their own benefit?

Seriously, is that how this shit is supposed to go? Maybe I had better move to a place with some fucking honesty and integrity then. How's the weather in Switzerland this time of year?
>> Anonymous
>>256361
Wow, I didnt know Nigger Bowling was an olympic event.
>> Anonymous
>>256741
holy shit i lold
>> Anonymous
Trust me, if you complain about the communist government to the Chinese,they would tend to agree. But with some common sense, it's during the Olympics and the western media did purposely dump a drama bomb in the lead up to the Olympics. So it's only natural that Chinese can be a bit scared and defensive. Chances are, they might perceive criticism as bias and aggressive.
But that's what being alive is all about. About learning differences and doing best to get along with others. So keep trying. Ask if they have anything other than "western bias" to share. Tell them you understand on that part and there's no need for them repeat. Learn more.
>> Anonymous
>>256736
You're trying to push a square peg through a round hole, though. It's like you're the boring math teacher in high school who couldn't get his students to learn a thing because he approached them in the wrong way.

Look, the Chinese do not want to be "taught" or "told" how they should improve *their* country, anymore than they want to have the Europeans come back in and start carving them up into spheres of influence again.

Instead of approaching them like a teacher, or a big brother, or "someone who knows better," why not approach them as friends? Why not approach them as equal human beings, with thoughts, feelings, and ideas of their own? Why not try to love them because you understand them, instead of loving them so you can change them?
>> Anonymous
>>256741
Awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>256709Happy? The point is, the people don't choose them, no matter how you wish to split hairs on "elected" and "appointed," playing the semantics game.

The point is, that division is meaningless when the system as a whole is a republic. Republican systems are built entirely on the assumption that it would be tedious or damaging to have the general public voting on every person or issue involved.

The laws are not popularily elected, the Supreme Court is not popularily elected. Doesn't mean the government in total is not "popularily elected." The republican system is very sensitive to popularity.
>> Anonymous
>>256768
Yes, but I'm not critiquing that.

I'm critiquing the rhetoric that the US government puts out that it is "democratic," when, in reality, to anyone with half a brain and a dictionary can tell you the US is not, in fact.

I'm basically saying that the US government shouldn't be so fucking hypocritical.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256753
I do this
this is why I talk to them at all, instead of suggest we just invade them or force them.

That is all quite irrelevant to the insistence of posters on this board to chalk up every criticism of the chinese government to western media bias or some such nonsense. I am merely trying to illuminate what is true, and (by implication) what is horrible about what is true. The difficulty comes when people think that it isn't so, simply because I'm not Chinese, or that US human rights abuses (which I also abhor) changes the subject, or makes the truth moot somehow

I honestly don't know how to communicate my concern for the chinese to the chinese without coming across as condescending (I'm not totally sure it's possible). But it is frustrating, and it's frustrating when I try to communicate the same to westerners, and they just knee-jerk reject it because they are too lazy to look it up
>> Anonymous
>>256778
Of course, cause no westerners give a fuck about it. I'm pretty sure it's not an issue in most westerners.
>> Anonymous
>>256738
I never said I approved, just that is done this way, and that every country ever has done it this way, because they are beholden to the interests of their government, and/or of their people.

Even Switzerland was once a Machiavelian player on the international stage, when their pike and bowmen were deciding political issues on battlefields as far away as Portugal and in the territory of the Rus.

I am not fool enough to hold foreign policy against a nation in an anhistorical way, UNLESS that foreign policy severely fails human rights standards. And usually in those cases, there are mirrored internal problems as well, making the point moot. See: Khmer Rouge, Nazi Germany, Chinese Civil War.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256781
was that meant ironically?
because it is almost definitely the case that it is a non-issue to most westerners


as a side thing, I think there is something really pernicious in the attempt to characterize every humanitarian and egalitarian impulse as paternalistic or condescending

I am merely responding as I think anyone should with they see the mistreatment of people in whom the see themselves (for me that is pretty much anyone)
>> Anonymous
>>256738
>>So, you're of the belief that it's okay for the US, as a nation, to put itself on a stage, on a high pedestal, as the "land of the free, and home of the brave," then to go around and continually violate the ideals of freedom and courage, for their own benefit?

This
>> Anonymous
>>256774
How is the US not "democratic" in the modern sense?

You are appearently arguing that the US can't be democratic because it doesn't treat foreign nations, and citizens of foreign nations, like it does its own citzens. If what you wanted were true, the US would not be a "country" in the modern sense.

I agree with you that the foreign policy rhetoric is hypocritical and often insincere, but that is like complaining about the oceans because they have always been wet.
>> Anonymous
I kinda agree with the OP china winning the Olympics will only create more anti china sentiment. My parents are of the belief that chinese athletes are chosen at birth taken away from their family and have no life other than training for the sport they are chosen for....The see mistreatment of the chinese people as the reason why they are winning the olympics
>> Anonymous
It's quite nice that we actually made some progress. Awesome guyz!

Now we actually have a better understanding of both sides.

Americans being a bit too aggressive in their papa US mentality.

Chinese being too defensive and misunderstanding
people who do wish them well.

There's still hope. Goin' fine.

C
>> Anonymous
>>256778
Of course it's possible, and I can tell you most likely don't do things that way, taking a hint by the tone and attitude of your posts.

You don't claim that you "respect" the Chinese people, as a colleague respects another. You claim that you "love" the Chinese, and don't want to see them hurt, as if you were their mother. Your problem is not that other Westerners are holding your progress back somehow, or that the Chinese people are blind to what their government does. Your problem is that you don't make an effort to understand the Chinese people.

When a Chinese person defends their government, what seems like the first thing that pops into your mind is, "Brainwashed, poor bastard. He's just spouting propaganda!"

Which is what a mother says about her son when she finds him saying bad words. "Oh, no, he must've heard that on the TV!"

When a person defends their government, they're usually fully aware that that government has its defects, but they're still proud of that government, because, in some small way, it's *theirs*. And that's one thing the Chinese people are still very proud of. The Chinese are the masters of the Chinese, and no one else ever will be, and they are very committed to making sure no one will. It's a very nice thought to try and walk up to a Chinese person and somehow "enlighten" them about all the things that's wrong in the place they live, but imagine trying to do that to your typical New Yorker, walking up to them and telling them how much their city sucks. Their civic pride is just too high to accept talking-down upon that institution, especially from an outsider, even though they're well aware that problems, and probably even the problems you mention, exist.
>> Anonymous
>>256768The republican system is very sensitive to popularity.

So sensitive, in fact, that part of the reason representative democracy use appointed officials, or in the US' case, colleges of electors, is to protect the country from "the tyranny of the majority."
>> Anonymous
>>256797
Yes, well, then, I suggest you stop criticizing the PRC for being oppressive, because that's equally as much akin to criticizing the oceans for being wet.
>> Anonymous
>>256786
I really wasn't upholding Switzerland as the greatest, most kind foreign policy player ever, I just said the first country that came to mind.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256804
if they are unable to appreciate the faults of their government (specifically not them) that is failing on their part, not mine

and I love and respect them. I think they are me, adn I love and respect me. If I am unable to say that things that their government (again, not them) does to them and express concern about those things without being a jerk then my hands are completely tied.

the reality is that it is not my condescension, but the self-consciousness of the chinese that is at fault. I mean, what am I to do? Their government is not fair to them, but if I say that I am an asshole who looks down on them? Then what comes next? You tell me . How does one address it at all?
>> Anonymous
Must you truly address them? Must you always engage them? Must there always be a conflict?
At any rate, The Australian Prime Minister succeeded in getting Chinese university students in agreeing with him. "Human rights issues needs to be solved through dialog and understanding."
Chinese understands the faults of their government. Unless you're a mind reader and know that Chinese are brainwashed to support their government, it doesn't mean just cause they support the government on one issue doesn't mean they don't condemn it on another.


So I fail to see, how all you are encountering this brick wall.
>> Anonymous
>>256810Yes, well, then, I suggest you stop criticizing the PRC for being oppressive, because that's equally as much akin to criticizing the oceans for being wet.

The PRC always having been oppressive does not save them from criticism for oppression. Unlike foreign policy, all governments have unchallenged authority domestically, along with a fundamental responsibility to their own citizens. How they balance those two is how they should be judged.
>> Anonymous
>>256813I really wasn't upholding Switzerland as the greatest, most kind foreign policy player ever, I just said the first country that came to mind.

Understood. But my larger point was not about Switzerland, it was about every country ever. You could think for years and not come up with a regional or world power not guilty of political gamesmanship, or even brinksmanship.
>> Anonymous
>>256819
the whole point is it's not your business and they don't want you to come to them and express your "enlightening" opinions.
many chinese see their government's fault and suffer their wrong doings (and are awere of it) more than you or your media can ever imagine, while many others benifit from the system(yes they do) so much that it's safe to say the government is absolutely in their favor.
now what you don't understand is that there are millions of both kinds of these people and what will become of them are their own business.
and you are just a retard thinking you can solve the problems of all the chinese by shouting slogans.
so basically fuck off.
>> Anonymous
>>256836
Geeez, I think we've pretty much confirmed that you can criticize the Chinese government. But do so, within a reasonable framework.
>> Anonymous
>>256835Must there always be a conflict?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary.

- James Madison, The Federalist No. 51
>> Anonymous
>>256846
What was unreasonable about my framework?
>> Anonymous
There's a heaping amount of cocksucking and faggotry in a thread that doesn't belong on /sp/
You should all be ashamed of yourselves
>> Anonymous
Hey guys I think we can actually change people's mind and opinions on politics in the sports channel on 4chan.

Religion and race is next.

Discuss.
>> Anonymous
>>256857
You may return to the ronery thread fantasizing about making love to Shawn Johnson if this one bores you.
>> fashion diva !3wJfpCMhKc
>>256844
So I am to be silent about offenses against my fellow man?

sorry but I'm not really okay with that
and to be honest, I am glad that I'm not
>> Anonymous
lol you wont fell this way after track and field
>> Anonymous
srsly, wtf. /sp/ has gone to a new low.
>> Anonymous
>>256875
How is Jamaica stealing short-distance running and *insert east-african country here* raping long-distance running going to affect anything?
>> Anonymous
>>/sp/ has gone to a new low.
>>gone to a new low.
>>a new low.

OLYMPIC LIMBO
>> Anonymous
>>257529
Hermes approves
>> Anonymous
Shit likes this makes me glad I live in America's Hat.
>> Anonymous
>>257544

But your being invaded by chinks.
>> Anonymous
>>257555

Who isn't?
>> Anonymous
>>257558

Americans have managed to attract Japs, Gooks, AND Chinks. They balance their Asians well.
>> †Invisible Sky Magician† http://invisibleskymagician.baywords.com/ !!I9XpXfP4okU
Fuck china and everyone in it.
>> Anonymous
>>258023
i like the way you think