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Anonymous
So let me get this straight- The Championship to determine the best club team in all of Europe was decided by penalty kicks? PENALTY KICKS? Wow, you Eurofags really know how to determine who the better team is.

SOCCER STILL SUCKS EUROFAGS. TRY SUDDEN DEATH, LIKE MEN.
>> Anonymous
0/10
>> Anonymous
>>111030
i wasn't trolling, it's the truth. penalty kicks are the same thing as a coin flip. that's a fucking joke of a way to decide a champion.
>> Anonymous
Yeah soccer sucks ass but there's not enough scoring for a sudden death. Unless you literally mean sudden death like the first team to have a player drop dead loses.
>> Anonymous
>>111035
well if they are the "world's best athletes" they can stay on the pitch until someone scores. if someone gets too tired and can't chase a ball down, too bad. fucking socialists should not be allowed to run sports. could you imagine if the super bowl came down to a fg kicking contest?
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
Why the fuck wouldn't they use a golden goal system?

Yet another reason to avoid watching soccer.
>> Anonymous
I don't like NFL overtime rules. Far too many times the team that won the coin toss wins the game on the first OT series.
>> Anonymous
penalty kicks are hardly a coin flip

a team that practices them will always win over a team that doesn't. goalies have become so good that penalty kicks actually skill, rather than blasting the ball into the net. although i doubt anyone who doesn't follow football can realize that
>> Anonymous
>>111039
http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html
"Team won toss and won game 189 (52 %)"
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111044
>goalies have become so good that penalty kicks actually skill, rather than blasting the ball into the net.

Yes, taking a guess and diving as the ball leaves the shooters foot takes skill.

GTFO
>> Anonymous
>>111038

Hey guess what retard, the NHL does this on a nightly basis during the regular season, and guess what, IT'S STILL GAY!
>> Anonymous
>>111047
oh....never mind then
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111052

>during the regular season

That's the key retard.

When the games REALLY matter, you don't fucking end it with a shootout.
>> Anonymous
>>111055

Oh good, you actually realize that.
>> Anonymous
>>111050
this is exactly why you should know more about the game before you criticize things.
Some trained goalkeepers are actually good at reading the kicker's movement and know exactly where to go, but that doesn't mean they always save. Also taking a penalty kick in a big game puts you in a big pressure and if you're not mentally prepared, you tend to fail.
But you won't understand this unless you watch some games to get some perspective.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111059
>goalies have become so good that penalty kicks actually skill, rather than blasting the ball into the net. although i doubt anyone who doesn't follow football can realize that

God damn this is a successful troll.

It's making me respond again!

Oh take a look at the World Cup final there were ZERO saves in 10 shots.

Man, PKs are tough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdhLqjCWcqc
>> Anonymous
>>111050
Oh hai, soccerfag here, I played for about six years, got scouted and everything before I got injured and promptly fell out of shape. You're totally simplifying it, which is expected because you're a fucking retard, but that's another story. Shootouts are about a lot more than "guessing and diving"...You have to really watch the shooter, searching for even the slightest tell. You have to time it right, as well- committing at the wrong time will make you look incredibly stupid and probably cost your team the game. Even then, you've gotta have good hands, excellent conditioning and the knowledge to keep cool in the situation- practice really does make perfect. The more times you practice penalty shots, the better you'll be able to do, obviously. If a team loses in a shootout, it's their fault for obviously not practicing it enough- to make it to a shootout means you're of comparable skill to the opponent [in most cases], so there really is no excuse to fuck up in a shootout other than "we forgot to practice that part, lols".

There is a lot more to shootouts on both sides of the game- both the shooter and goalie have to be skilled and well-practiced. It's not luck at all, take it from someone who has actually, you know, been in that situation.

Oh wait, you're a troll, anyways. Don't you have hockey threads to be shitting up?
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111069

>There is a lot more to shootouts on both sides of the game- both the shooter and goalie have to be skilled and well-practiced. It's not luck at all, take it from someone who has actually, you know, been in that situation.

You've been conditioned to believe that shootouts are good measures of actual ability. In reality, they are a FUCKING TERRIBLE WAY to decide who the more talented team is.
>> Anonymous
>>111076
I played for six fucking years, you retard. My team played through a dozen of them, and I had to shoot in a little over half of them, much to my absolute fucking terror. You notice an improvement the more you practice them- we won and lost them, but the more we practiced them the more we were able to compete. I'm not saying I totally agree with deciding a game like the finals with penalty kicks, but to generalize them down to "lol its just luck" is ignorant beyond belief. Are they the best way to determine the winner? Not in my opinion, no. Do they take plenty of skill to be able to succeed in? Yes, they do.
>> Anonymous
Deciding a final based on PKs is still fucking retarded. If you can't get a goal in an overtime situation, keep playing until someone does. It's not like for 30 extra minutes, nobody did anything remotely close to scoring. They just started playing like shuit for the last 10, because they knew it could go to PKs. People stopped trying to score, and started acting like retards.

Cheers to the morons that think this shit is the "beautiful game".

To me, it's worse than watching NFL Overtime. And that's fucking bad to begin with.
>> Anonymous
>>111029
I like how the entire game 2 goals were scored between 2 teams in 120 minutes but to decide the champion of the best soccer league in the world 11 goals were scored in oh... 10 minutes.
>> Anonymous
DECIDING ON PK IS LIKE GIVING THE LEAGUE TROPHY TO THE TEAM WITH THE BEST GOAL DIFF --- OH WAIT
>> Anonymous
>>111094
Doesn't refute the fact that a final decided by PKs is like tossing a fucking coin to decide who wins. They're both retarded, and don't show anything. Talent didn't decide the final, dumb fucking luck did.

Have your sport do things the right way, maybe then someone other than eurotrash and 3rd world countries will care about it.
>> Anonymous
they should just have an hour of penalty kicks instead of a match
>> Anonymous
>>111099
Might be fun to watch. They should pull fans from the stands to do the kicks against the super talented goalies.

I bet they'd still only save 1 shot.
>> Anonymous
>>111086

NFL overtime is pretty bad, one possession and it could be over in 1 minute with a Kick off return, they should use the college system.

The NHL's is pretty bad NOW, it used to be fine, after 5 minutes of OT they end up in a tie, hell they never even played OT back in the day. Now, they use a "skills competition" to decide who gets an extra point, causing more parity in the league when there shouldn't be. It's another 'excuse' to try and get people to watch, but us old time hockey guys think it's total bullshit and needs to go away and die.

And I swear to god, if they ever institute that in the playoffs I will stop watching the NHL. NOTHING compares to overtime hockey in the playoffs, nothing.
>> Anonymous
"Soccer" is the most popular sport in the world, whereas your sorry excuses for sports are barely played off of American soil. Americans are idiots, and need instantly gratifying, high-scoring sports to engage their miniscule attention spans.
>> Anonymous
>>111111
failget
>> Anonymous
>>111110
NHL regular season was instituted to make regular season games more exciting. Ties are boring. Nobody wants a tie in the all star game, or any other game. People want to see a winner. The fact that it's ONLY regular season is why it doesn't even matter. It's for the fans, nothing else. The few points teams get from it matter very little, since both still get 1 point anyway.

NFL rule is retarded, and college does a better job at making things balanced and exciting. Watching teams go for 2 before they have to, and blow it. Excitement city. Watching a team win a playoff game with a FG, 1 play after the kickoff is boring shit.

Baseball, hockey, and basketball all have overtime covered in how it should be done in the playoffs/finals.

Soccer, unfortunately, is just as shitty as the NFL when it comes to that, and they both blow it big in the biggest games of the season.
>> Anonymous
>>111111
watever eurofaggot, you wish you lived here

also 111111GET
>> Anonymous
>>111111
I guess BARELY, considering a whole host of south east asian and south american countries love Baseball.

Try bashing US sports because your WORLD sport is run by fucking morons. You'd think with that many people involved, they could get it right. Guess not.
>> Anonymous
>>111111

Dont you know America by now, you little faggot?

Who gives a shit if know one likes our sports. Why should we give a shit?

Oh but to prove you wrong, when the NFL cam to Wimbley last year it sold out you dumb prick.

btw you country is full of little bitches that would not know a real sport if it hit you in the ass.
>> Anonymous
>>111110

Fuck, I was one post away from the get :(
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111111

>"Soccer" is the most popular sport in the world

This has NOTHING to do with the fact that PKs are used to decide championships.

It's fucking retarded.
>> Anonymous
>>111124
The only thing you proved is that Americans really are idiots.

>>111129

Suggest a better alternative then. I agree that Penalties are an awful end to a game, but if you take into account the fundamentals of soccer, it's probably the only viable solution. We already have 30 minutes of extra time, and to play ceaselessly for a golden goal after that would be ridiculous. Unless watching players collapsing in exhaustion is your idea of entertainment.
>> Anonymous
>>111150

That's why you takes breaks every 15/30 minutes.

hurrr
>> Anonymous
>>111124

I think I proved that you do not even know what your own country likes.

You say shit like the whole world does not like the NFL but even if that was the case who cares?

That would only matter to a weak minded Euro like yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>111152
However, there are some games that go forever without goals being scored- it would work the same in extra time. Basically, you'd be looking at ninety minutes of extra time with three to six five/ten minute breaks inbetween in some scenarios...Add that to the fact that they've already played for 90 minutes, and you're talking about an entire evening. Don't forget that you have to take the fans into account- you'd have far too much time, the majority of the fans have lives as well. Except in south America.

Playing 90 minutes of a sport that is full of running is already tiring. Adding another potential 90+ minutes would be murderous. Five minute breaks will only do so much- Soccer is not an anaerobic based sport, so it's more about endurance, which isn't replenished as easy as you can replenish bursts of energy- it takes more time, the fatigue would add up and players would end up dying. Not to mention the fans would end up rioting due to boredom.
>> Anonymous
Pierre-André Chiappori of Columbia University, Steven D. Levitt of the University of Chicago and Timothy J. Groseclose of U.C.L.A. analyzed all the penalty kicks taken in the top French league from 1997 through 1999 and in the top Italian league from 1997 through 2000. Kickers scored 77 percent of the time when they went to their natural side (right foot kicking to left side, for example), 70 percent of the time on the opposite side and 81 percent of the time in the middle — pretty similar success rates, or at least within a statistical margin of error.

Goalkeepers are even closer in their success rates. When they guessed center or the opposite side, kickers failed to score 27 percent of the time. When they guessed the kicker's natural side, there was no goal 24 percent of the time. Again, they could not reject the hypothesis that the chances of scoring were the same no matter which way the penalty takers — and the goalies they faced — chose to play.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/sports/soccer/18score.html?ex=1308283200&en=87391ad6a4b95a75&a
mp;ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
>> Anonymous
>>111029

So how should they decide championships? If a game is tied then they already have 30 minutes of extra time, and then after that they go to PK if it's still tied.

If there was a better alterantive, I'm sure they will use it. In the meantime, PK's are the ultimate deciders.
>> Anonymous
>>111150

>Unless watching players collapsing in exhaustion is your idea of entertainment.

Actually...
>> Anonymous
>>111185
after 30 min of scoreless sudden death, allow free substitutions until someone scores.

fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>111185
They didn't even really play 30 minutes of extra time. The last 10-15 minutes were all based on NOT making a mistake, and making it to PKs.

Golden goal would have meant MORE subs and the game getting over quicker, with a real goal.

Golden goal once you start overtime is the best way to make it fair and exciting. Plus, it showcases goal scoring by a TEAM, not 1 man vs another.

Soccer is a team game right?
>> Anonymous
>>111168
Because a one-off promotional event at Wembley(learn to spell it, retard) proves that the NFL is popular worldwide. Yeah, and David Beckham was selling out stadiums all over America when he started playing for LA Galaxy. So by your logic, Soccer is massive over there.

Who cares? 90% of the trolls threads on this board are started by Amerifags about soccer, so apparently you do. Us Eurofags couldn't car less about America and your sports, hence most of baseball/nhl/nba threads are troll free.
>> Anonymous
Golden goal was used for a while but fans HATED it.then they had the silver goal rule but fan still hated it so they just scrapped that and had regular extra time
>> Anonymous
>>111039
I agree, they NEED to use college football overtime rules in the NFL
>> Anonymous
>>111124
>Oh but to prove you wrong, when the NFL cam to Wimbley last year it sold out you dumb prick.

The NHL came to London for a few regular-season games too. I can assure you that noone in London would give a shit about hockey if it was anything more than the novel curiosity of two games.
>> Anonymous
FUCK YEAH BACKYARD SOCCER
>> Anonymous
>>111255

And yet Gary Bettman doesn't understand the concept of novelty.

London should prepare for an expansion team in 2010. Possibly by way of relocating one of the Canadian teams.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111176

>Not to mention the fans would end up rioting due to boredom.

Sounds like the Sport sucks dick.
>> Anonymous
>>111204

Who gives a shit how to spell Wembley or whatever the fuck it is, like who gives a shit about your little island. BTW that English queer didint sell out "all over the country".

My point was that SOME people care about the NFL over there obviously. Just like some Americans care about your boring little kids game.

You obviously are knew here. American threads are trolled all the fucking time.
>> Anonymous
>>111255

Not that many people give a shit about hockey over here to.
>> Anonymous
>>111323
Will never happen. Kitchener maybe, NEVER London.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-ifWL0qOo

Real shootout nigger, ya herd?
>> Anonymous
>>111379
i loved that shit was really sad when they took it out. that was right around the time the mls started to suck hard
>> So let me get this straight kris-alyx devereux
gods don't you ever shut up soccer is better then crappy american sports i mean take a look at the ratings for the finals 120 million people watched the final & if the nfl is lucky maybe on the regional broadcast maybe 500,00 if your lucky.
>> Anonymous
>>111415

Again, what are you trying to prove?

That american football is not as popular then soccer world wide?

No shit.

Are you actually trying to talk people out of likening it?

Dude, you are fucking pathetic.
>> Anonymous
>>111415

Also, since when do we care what other countries think?

We don.t
>> Anonymous
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>>111432
ORLY
>> Anonymous
penalty kicks are the worst thing about soccer. they should just play until someone scores. fuck it.
>> Anonymous
lol America.

NFL is what, a 18-19 game season with your championship determined by just one game? Enjoy your fluke sport.
>> Anonymous
One penalty shootout and amerifags bawww to no end.You rather watch an 18 inning game that lasts for 8 hours?good for you.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>111459

One penalty shoot-out?

Is there EVER a final that doesn't end in a shoot-out?

Fuck soccer sucks.
>> Anonymous
penalty shoot out means 120 minutes of EPIC back and forth attack/defend/counterattack between two equally matched teams giving it their all.
>> Anonymous
>>111487

only to be decided by an event that might as well be drawing straws at the end. lol.
>> Anonymous
>>111433


fukken lol'd hard

Alsoo amerifags , piss off back to playing fisher price rugby and stop fagging up our football threads
>> Anonymous
When did you eurofags turn into such pussies? Shit you guys used to wage wars for a hundred years but now anything more than 120 minutes of soccer is too much. Grow some balls.
>> Anonymous
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>>111500
yeah wtf eurofags
>> Anonymous
>>111500
Keep in mind the time of the game. It was something like 1:30 in the morning by the time the game ended.
>> Anonymous
>>111503
>Never, never, never give up... unless it's time for bed.
>> Anonymous
FIFA World Cup final 2006 ratings: 715.1 million
Superbowl 2008: 96 million.

Gee, I wonder...

also, americunts, you can call something 'world series' when more than two countries actually compete, oh wait, nobody wants to play your faggy sports...
>> /hoc/
I'm gonna agree with CB here. Sure, 90+30 minutes of extra time is a long game, but deciding your whole league championship on PK's is simply retarded. Plain and simple, it doesn't determine who the better team is. If that dude from Chelsea doesn't slip on his PK, they win. That shit is stupid.

Yeah, the NHL does the same in the regular season, but in the Playoffs some teams (Anaheim and Dallas) go to 3+ overtimes to decide a winner. Those guys are tired as fuck too. But they go out two days later and play again.

I do think Soccer requires more athleticism than hockey, but get out there and earn the win on the field, not through some bullshit system that is long past its time.
>> Anonymous
Stop bawwing about PKs.If you guys played the game at their pace,you wouldn't last even half of the game.
>> Anonymous
>>111379

This is one of the reasons that nobody took the MLS seriously at first. No ties wtf, and also faggy shootouts.
>> Anonymous
PKs suck on principle. Soccer is a team sport, it shouldn't subvert to some minigame to decide which TEAM is best. It's fucking stupid. I don't know what happened to you eurofags tis truly sad.
>> Anonymous
Stop bawwing about PKs already.
>> Anonymous
Does nobody remember that the final used to be decided on a coin toss? What a fucking shit idea that was

Extra time should just keep going until someone scores instead of faggots using it to have a rest until it goes to penalties
>> Anonymous
Sudden death (or golden goal) made most matches go to penalties anyway cos it made teams ultra cautious.

No one has been able to come up with a better solution as of yet. Plus it makes for great drama.
>> Anonymous
i think they should do 'american penalties' or whatever they're called.

each player runs with the ball from the half way line to try and score.

i think this is a better way to settle a game because it's less of a lottery than traditional penalties.
>> Anonymous
lol American's trying to make football like their own sports, for total wimps and pussy's.

First they take our rugby and rape it so the bitches that want to play have protection for their ungrown vagina's. Totally pathetic.

Anyone remember when the MLS started gathering some popularity in the 80's and what the those American pussy's want to introduce...i shit you not... fucking crash helmets for goalkeepers.

Keep your fail american. Real sports are for Real men. Penalties require the mental strength that you bitches don't have.
>> Anonymous
so...watching Chelsea and Manu walking around the field like geezers until somebody scores a lucky goal is better than the dramatic shootout were we could watch Ronaldo and Terry failing hard ? Yeah right.
>> Anonymous
In soccer, sometimes the better team loses, unlike basketball. That's because the worse team can get lucky and win because there is little time left or because they are grindfag defenders.

That's why i love soccer. You never know who is going to win.
>> Anonymous
>>111617

how is playing for an actual goal more lucky than penalty kick bullshit? you eurofags are so delusional it cracks me up.
>> Anonymous
A penalty shootout is not about skill (any professional footballer can score a penalty)

But it's not about luck either. It's about guts and holding your nerve (or as britfags call it, "bottle")
>> Anonymous
>>111621
On the contrary, better teams in basketball can lose. If a mediocre team can get hot shooting threes, then they could very easily beat a much better team.
>> Anonymous
FUCK YEAH
MY NEPHEW HAS THAT GAME
>> Anonymous
AMERICAN SHOOTOUTS REQUIRE ACTUAL SKILL AMERICAN SHOOTOUTS REQUIRE ACTUAL SKILL AMERICAN SHOOTOUTS REQUIRE ACTUAL SKILL

(and all that mental toughness bullshit too.)

P.S. Eurofags, I've got a few bones to pick.

The word soccer was invented in England, if you bawww about a shortened version of association you should bawww when someone calls it footie.

Europe was actually considering American style shootouts. Look at how Clausura/Apertura work for Central/South America. I'm sick of America trying to Eurocentricize the sport, every country should have their own traditions.

Eurofags bitch about how Americans don't play pretty. It's the European influence. Central/South Americans are badasses willing to play three backs and switch around with one touch passes.

TL;DR Europeans are the cancer that is killing soccer and people should stop putting them up on a pedestal.
>> Anonymous
>>111676
Europe hates England almost more than it does America. No wonder the word soccer came from those fucktards.

That football isn't played pretty is their fault too. Spanish teams always played great football, the Italians played more defensively, but the thing that mattered most was still their skill. So the Britfags, who had no skill and talent, decided to fuck everything up.
>> Anonymous
ITT less you know more you type.

If PKs don't need skill and anyone can score how come Ronaldo and Terry missed?

It IS kind of lottery, but it does show who has better TEAM since there are 5 PKs in first series, and better team will have better penalty takers/goalkeeper.

More ET would be stupid, tired players can't do shit, and goalkeepers would start just picking up sloppy kicks after some time.

in b4 someone says that then you can just train penalty taking then, you can, but then you would get so many goals during regular time they wouldn't be needed.
>> Anonymous
All i can say is, 2 billion people.
>> Anonymous
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How do I shot penalty?
>> Anonymous
English teams only ever win anything because most of the player are not from England. Lets face it, that's the reason you have a Man U-Chelsea ECL final but England FAILED to even make it into the Euro 2008.
>> Gentleman
>>111800
1/10 fag

Manchester United, Champions League winners, line-up for the final :

Van Der Sar, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Brown, Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves, Rooney, Tevez.

I count 6 englishmen and 5 "players that are not from England".

>most of the player are not from England
>most of the player
>most

Maths, motherfucker. Do you know them?
>> Anonymous
If they continued playing until someone scored in overtime, that game would have gone on for hours. PKs are somewhat exciting and save time because these eurofags don't know how to score more than 1 goal a game.
>> Anonymous
>>111817

How about the squads?
>> Anonymous
>>111902
Nothing happened in extra time because those faggots were playing for penalties.

The Liverpool - Chelsea game was a good example of a team actually trying to win in extra time.
>> Anonymous
>>111817

Chelsea:

Cech, A. Cole, Essien, Makelele, Carvahlo, Lampart, J. Cole, Drogba, Ballack, Malouda, Terry.

Looks like most to me.

Actually, let me revise the previous statement. Most of the good players that anyone gives a crap about are "not from England".
>> Anonymous
>>111685

the fact that ronaldo, being his team's best scorer, was the only player from his team to miss only supports the argument that it's too much about chance.
>> Gentleman
>>111942
Sorry, but I must have missed the part where Chelsea "won" anything this season.

>English teams only ever win anything because most of the player are not from England
>win [...] most [...] England

However, nice try to weasel your way out of it, continentalfag.
>> Anonymous
>>111988

chance?
its nothing to do with chance

ballack (german) - goal
hargreaves (spent most career being german) - goal
terry (english) - spoon
ronaldo (portugal) - fagged it up
anelka (french) - waved the white flag

they need to poach the germans penalty coaches
>> Anonymous
It's clearly NOT like flipping a coin. Hence why England always lose on penalties, Reina saves loads of penalties and shit. But it is quite a gay way to decide a trophy, albeit exciting. A good idea would be to allow an extra two substitutions in extra time in addition to the standard three, so there are less tired players out there.
>> Anonymous
>>111999

Sorry, but I missed who is Man U's--and indeed the entire league's--leading scorer.

Ronaldo.

You know, from Portugal.

Oh, and lets see, he's followed by Adebayor (Togo), Torres (Spain), Santa Cruz (Paraguay), Bervatov (Bulgaria), Keane (Ireland--no, it's not part of England), etc, etc.
>> Anonymous
Even the NHL knows to have the post season winner decided in overtime rather than a shootout.
>> Anonymous
>>112044
lol.. shoot out in hockey.
that would be a real intense drama.
>> Anonymous
Eh. All I know is that next month England will be watching it's football team watch other teams compete in the Euro from HOME. I'm sure Wayne Rooney will probably get ejected from his own living room during the inevitable France-Italy rematch. Too bad England can't beat Croatia even if their lives depended on it.
>> Anonymous
>>112043
Because Striker is the only position in football, amirite?
>> Anonymous
Success = scoring.

Unless you want to propose a new revolutionary sporting theory. I never heard of a football team winning by scoring less than their opponents.
>> Anonymous
>>112065
You're an idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>112014
yeah because portugal always fails at penalty's, amirite?
>> Anonymous
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kWgAayphx7Y&feature=related

Two birds with one stone.
>> Gentleman
>>112065
Well, too bad Beckenbauer, Cruijff, Maldini, Yakinfeev, Charlton, Zidane, Nedved, Vialli, Figo, Sammer, Gullit, Barthez, Cannavaro, Baggio, Best, Kahn, Socrates, Moore, Cannigia, Cantona, Schmeichel, Edwards, Beckham, Zoff, Gascoigne, Ginola, Roberto Carlos, Neeskens, Valderrama, Zamora, Maier, Kopa, Futre (the list goes on, and on, and on) are unsuccessful by your standards, since they were never prolific goalscorers.
>> Anonymous
>>112065
Success = strength in depth.

You aren't going to win anything with a defence leakier than the titanic, and a midfield that fails to cover the back and supply the forwards.

Learn the basics of football before you spout garbage.
>> Anonymous
LOL.

Fortunately Raul, Del Piero, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Salas, Pele, Rummenigge, Riva, Rivelino, Eusebio, Ronaldo, Canu, Muller, Platini, Batistuta, Mesi, Owen, Ronaldo, Cubillas, Romario, Di Stefano, Henry, Drogba, Eto'o, Kaka, (the list goes on) all know how to score goals.
>> Gentleman
>>112160
And? You completely fail at understanding that a successful team is not one player, and even less just one striker.

Strikers get all the glory and are remembered. But every good team also has good midfielders, defenders and a good goalkeeper.

And scoring != success. Success is winning. Unless you're going to consider players like Kevin Phillips (European Golden boot 2000), Mario Jardel (European Golden boot 1999 & 2002), Ally McCoist (European Golden boot 1993 & 1993), Zviad Endeladze (European Golden boot 1996), Erwin Vandenbergh (European Golden boot 1980), Dudu Georgescu (European Golden boot 1975 & 1977) or Sotiris Kaiafas (European Golden boot 1976) as even remotely "successful" players.