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Anonymous
NAME AN NFL PLAYER MORE UNDERRATED THAN THIS GUY
>> Anonymous
Torry Holt.
>> Anonymous
Jake Delhomme.
>> Anonymous
Adrian Wilson
>> Anonymous
Hines Ward
>> Anonymous
Keith Hernandez
>> Anonymous
L.J Smith
>> Anonymous
what sport is this?
>> Anonymous
Fred Taylor
>> Anonymous
LaDanian Tomlinson
>> Anonymous
>>100669
i love marshall.
got us our super bowl.
also, yards from scrimmage.
>> Anonymous
Real answer: Biran Westbrook
>> Kilgamayan (18-1) !2BklmILFiE
REAL answer: Jimmy Smith
>> Anonymous
>>100752
Seconded. He's carried McNabb's sorry ass for years and gets no love.
>> Anonymous
ZACH TAYLOR
>> Anonymous
>>100821
Either this is a meme I don't get, or M-M-M-MONSTER FAIL.
>> Anonymous
Antonio Gates
>> Anonymous
>>100752
are you kidding me? im always hearing this guy's name and how he always saves the eagles and shit. hes rated just fine thank you.
>> Feraligatr !VJOf9vVc0E
>>100669
Faulk was under-rated? I don't think so. He was rated just fine: Really fucking good.

TIM RATTAY is the most under-rated guy there is.
>> Anonymous
>>100835
It's an old meme from the old /sp/ board. In the original, Dolphin lineman ZACH THOMAS was elected to his 7th Pro Bowl. Someone made a thread about it, but mis-named him Zach Taylor (12th President of the United States). Things snowballed from there.
>> Anonymous
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>>100915
I don't hear about him near as much as I hear about McNabb on his team, or running backs like Reggie Bush, Shaun Alexander, Julius Jones, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis and so on.

LaDainian Tomlinson is deservedly fawned over, Adrian Peterson is heralded as the next big thing. Brian Westbrook has another monster year on par with anything the above two have done and he barely gets any more consideration than Ryan Grant or Willis McGahee.

I know real football fans know he's the shit, but he should be well known to even casual fans of the game. He is an incredible all-around running back and he's been that way for years.
>> Anonymous
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Kellen Fucking Winslow

He has had to monster years in a row and people still cant stop sucking Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez's cock.

He will break records. Watch.
>> Anonymous
>>100699
>>100699

signed

The ultimate pro bowl snub
>> Anonymous
Amani Toomer
>> Anonymous
>>100699

I don't think he's all that underrated, honestly. He's older and lacks the highlight reel aspect like LT or Purple Jesus. Then again, I'm assuming everyone else recognizes he's more than sufficient at half-back.

>>100981

He's had one season where the Cleveland Shits have even managed to use him to his full ability. When he moves to a good team, and still isn't getting any credit, they you can whine.
>> Anonymous
>>100996

Maybe will see this year when the Shits kick your teams ass.
>> Anonymous
>>100996

Fred Taylor was in the top 5 RBs last year, easy.
>> Anonymous
>>101008

Enjoy never being better than second in you division.
>> Anonymous
>>101014

Your right because football never changes lol.

You need to watch more kid, before saying shit like "never".
>> Anonymous
>>101013

Tomlinson
Peterson
Westbrook
Parker
Portis
Lewis
James
Addai
>> Anonymous
>>101017

That's right, because the Shits have won AFC North since they came back to Cleveland.

OH WAIT

Enjoy being Pittsburgh's bitch for your natural lifetime.
>> Anonymous
>>101017

Fred Taylor
15 games 223 carries 1,202 yards 5.4 avg 80.1 yrds/g

LT
16 games 315 carries 1,474 yards 4.7 avg 92.1 yrds/g

Purple jesus
14 games 238 1,341 yards 5.6 avg 95.8 yrds/g

Joseph Addai
15 games 261 carries 1,072 yards 4.1 avg 71.5 yrds/g

Brian Westbrook
15 games 278 carries 1,333 yards 4.8 avg 88.9 yrds/g

Willie Parker
15 games 321 carries 1,316 yards 4.1 avg 87.7 yrds/g


Fred Taylor had more yards per carry (and more yards than "pro-bowler" Joseph Addai) than any other RB you mentioned except for Purple Jesus. Just proves how underrated he is.
>> Anonymous
>>101026

whoops meant to reference>>101018
>> Anonymous
>>101020

You really cant read can you?

Listen I am going to ignore the fact that you are underage and tell you a little story.

A little while ago the Patriots were not always so great.
Yes, yes, I know that it is hard to believe, but it is true.

Before that the Rams where the laughing stock of the league for many years.

Thing change. Obviously have not watched many games outside of whatever little hick town you are from. The Browns made quite a few good acquisitions this off season. Whatever though I am not going to discuss football with a 15 year old.

Enjoy not knowing shit about football.
>> Anonymous
>>101026

He had 1200 yards and 5 TD

Every one I listed either has both more yardage and more scoring, or has at least 100 more yards or 2 more TDs.

Taylor may be Top 10, but he is not Top 5.
>> Anonymous
Joseph Addai is top 5 most overrated players.
>> Anonymous
>>101031

You can start talking when the Shits actually do something worthwhile. Until then, shut the fuck up about your god-awful team.
>> Anonymous
>>101033

because he had less attempts than all of them!

He dual-backed with Maurice Jones-Drew, and MJD had 9 touchdowns. It's quite obvious that MJD primary got the ball in goal-line situations.

My point is, when people think of the top RBs in the league, they don't think Fred Taylor.
>> Anonymous
>>101035

gtfo /sp/ immediately and back to wherever you came from.

Learn some football history then maybe you will be aloud back.
>> Anonymous
ITT: butthurt amerifags realize they're playing the wrong football and bicker like small chuildren over players and issues no one cares about on a world scale.
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>>101042

ITT: A Eurofag who does not realize we dont give a shit what the rest of the world thinks.

Go back to your pussy football threads. Damn why do you Eurofaggots insist on these America vs. Europe threads so much. Are you that jealous?

Wait don't answer. I don't give a shit.
>> Anonymous
>>101046
troll'd
>> Anonymous
>>101050

I would think that if every other thread was not some Eurofag pulling this shit.
>> Anonymous
>>101051
Yeah well we're just as bad about it, because the US thinks it's the best just like them. But hey, good job on perpetuating the neverending and useless arguement with stupidity.
>> Anonymous
>>101026
That's a good list! Here's a better one, combined yards, rushing and receiving:

1 B. Westbrook RB, PHI 15 2104 140.3 1333 88.9 771 51.4
2 L. Tomlinson RB, SDG 16 1949 121.8 1474 92.1 475 29.7
3 C. Portis RB, WAS 16 1651 103.2 1262 78.9 389 24.3
4 A. Peterson RB, MIN 14 1609 114.9 1341 95.8 268 19.1
5 J. Lewis RB, CLE 15 1552 103.5 1304 86.9 248 16.5
6 F. Gore RB, SFO 15 1538 102.5 1102 73.5 436 29.1
7 R. Wayne WR, IND 16 1514 94.6 4 0.3 1510 94.4
8 R. Moss WR, NWE 16 1493 93.3 0 0.0 1493 93.3
9 C. Johnson WR, CIN 16 1487 92.9 47 2.9 1440 90.0
10 W. Parker RB, PIT 15 1480 98.7 1316 87.7 164 10.9
11 W. McGahee RB, BAL 15 1438 95.9 1207 80.5 231 15.4
12 J. Addai RB, IND 15 1436 95.7 1072 71.5 364 24.3
13 E. James RB, ARI 16 1426 89.1 1222 76.4 204 12.8
14 L. Fitzgerald WR, ARI 15 1409 93.9 0 0.0 1409 93.9
15 B. Marshall WR, DEN 16 1382 86.4 57 3.6 1325 82.8
16 T. Owens WR, DAL 15 1360 90.7 5 0.3 1355 90.3
17 T. Jones RB, NYJ 16 1336 83.5 1119 69.9 217 13.6
18 M. Lynch RB, BUF 13 1299 99.9 1115 85.8 184 14.2
19 B. Edwards WR, CLE 16 1289 80.6 0 0.0 1289 80.6
20 S. Jackson RB, STL 12 1273 106.1 1002 83.5 271 22.6
21 F. Taylor RB, JAC 15 1260 84.0 1202 80.1 58 3.9
>> Anonymous
>>101040

>aloud

the irony runs thick
>> Anonymous
>>101059

again, doesn't account for carries or yards/carry
>> Anonymous
>>101060
When all else fails and you can't think of a good comeback, criticize a spelling error.
>> Anonymous
John Taylor
>> Anonymous
>>101071
Yards/carry hardly matters on a TOTAL YARDS FROM SCRIMMAGE LIST

Taylor is an efficient system back, but he's not underrated like Westbrook, Jamal Lewis and possibly Thomas Jones are.

Jones ran behind a dogshit offensive line last year to boot. Actually he's run behind dogshit offensive lines almost every year he's been in the league.
>> Anonymous
>>101084

I'm not even the person you were arguing with.

I just find it funny that the person saying underage B& is the same that doesn't know the difference between Allowed/Aloud. Hell, it's not even a typo.
>> Anonymous
>>101096
>Yards/carry hardly matters on a TOTAL YARDS FROM SCRIMMAGE LIST

I think that's kind of his point - total yards from scrimmage isn't necessarily as good a proof of value as yards/carry(or catch, I suppose). Didn't Edge have a season where he gained over 1000 yards, but averaged something like 3.5 yards a carry? I mean, yeah, shit offensive line and all, but still, that's really not being particularly helpful to your team. Even though your counting stats are good, I'd much rather have a guy who can get the same number of yards without wasting so many plays.
>> Anonymous
>>101103

Compare him to Willie Parker for a second.

Parker almost had ONE HUNDRED more carries, yet he only had 100 more yards than Taylor.
>> Anonymous
>>101113

samefag

sorry i meant to say i agree with>>101103
>> Anonymous
reggie bush
>> Anonymous
>>101103
In 2006 he averaged 72 yards per game with a 3.4 ypc average. But that is irrelevant.

Football is a team game. Yards/carry is of limited use evaluating single players across teams. You could use it to evaluate which of two running backs is more efficient on the same team. You could use it to evaluate how efficient the running offenses are on different teams. But to evaluate running back play you measure total yards. If the running back was so bad their ability to run/receive well enough to pick up consistent yards and first downs was in question, they wouldn't get enough touches to be on that list in the first place. The measure of importance is how much of the offense is routed through them, and how successful that offense ends up being, which total yards measures.
>> Anonymous
>>101113
All that tells me is that the Steelers' o-line was dogshit (it was) and that Willie Parker was still a bigger part of his team's gameplan than Fred Taylor.

Now a mitigating factor on the converse is that the Steelers don't have quite the running back stable the Jags have, but the point remains you can't point at YPC and say LOOK! a better runner!
>> Anonymous
>>101127
I don't entirely disagree, but I don't entirely agree either.

For one, I very much disagree with - "If the running back was so bad their ability to run/receive well enough to pick up consistent yards and first downs was in question, they wouldn't get enough touches to be on that list in the first place."

The ability to evaluate talent is extremely prized. It's one of the reasons the Patriots have been so good over the past few years (yes, yes, 18-1, etc). Not every team is very good at it. The Cards keep running Matt Leinart out to start despite the fact that Kurt Warner is still better.

Also, sometimes, teams just don't have the talent to replace a bad player. If your team lacks talent at the major skill positions (QB, WR, RB), what are you going to do? You can't refuse to play offense, so you use what you have. You might choose to run the ball 45 times a game, then, if your QB is INT-prone - shorten the game, allow luck to have a larger factor, avoid turnovers, let your defense try to win. That doesn't mean your running back(s) are GOOD even though they rack up big counting stats. It just means you gave them the ball a lot.

The Vikings of 2006 would be a good example of this. Chester Taylor ran for 1,200 yards. Why? Because he got over 300 carries, as the alternative was to let 38-year old Brad Johnson throw (he wasn't actually terrible, but he wasn't very good either).

That 2006 Edge season -is- relevant. The Cards were pretty much league average in offense that year, DESPITE James's inefficiency. Why? Because Warner was very good when he got the chance to play, and even Leinart wasn't awful. You're right in that just using YPC fails in that there are a lot of other factors to assess (offensive line, scheme, game situation, usage, etc). But by the same token, just looking at pure yardage from scrimmage ignores many of those same factors.
>> Anonymous
>>101151
Using total yards from scrimmage ignores none of those factors, because a shitty running back in a shitty offense will never get enough touches to overcome a significantly lesser YPC and get to the top of that list.
>> Anonymous
>>101166
I specifically chose Edge because he puts a lie to that. 1,159 yards rushing, 217 receiving - would have been good for 16th on this year's list. Hell, Rudi Johnson did the same thing in '06 - he got 1,309 yds rushing on 341 attempts (3.8 YPC). Your claim only works if you make the assumption that coaches never make mistakes with their personnel or playcalling. I think that's not a good assumption to make.
>> Anonymous
>>101151
Yes, you have a point that was never contested in the first place.

A marginal player on a shitty team with no other options will rack up total yards in equal proportion to a good player in a platoon on a very good team. However, both of those players will congregate towards the bottom of the posted Total Yardage list.

The players at the top are good players. Period. I'm the first Brian Westbrook fag from way earlier, and that list just further proves just how ridiculously underrated Brian Westbrook is. Look how far past #3 he is... nearly 500 yards! Yet all you hear is ADRIAN PETERSON ADRIAN PETERSON LT LT LT LT REGGIE BUSH.

Brian Westbrook is practically Superman, and nobody outside the NFC East really knows.
>> Anonymous
>>101172
Oops, forgot to finish my thought. The point being, look at Cincy's passing attack from that season. Absurdly good. You could make the claim that they were only able to be so effective because they could pound the ball with Johnson.

Or you could make the claim that Johnson was horribly inefficient DESPITE being backed up by one of the best passing offenses in the league that season, and that the Bengals should have been throwing even more often than they did.

Who would be right? I have no idea. But the fact that it's up for question puts a lie to the belief that no inefficient player COULD ever get enough touches to climb the yards-from-scrimmage list.
>> Anonymous
>>101172

You are making the assumption that #16 is a good place on that list. I'd call that right where you'd expect to find the mix between stat compliers and good platooners.

I posted #1-#21 because I wanted to illustrate the difference between most of the running backs mentioned early in the thread, from Westbrook down to Taylor.
>> Anonymous
>>101174
I'm not going to argue that Westbrook is underrated - I think the guy's awesome (if unfortunately injury-prone).

However, just because a player is stuck in a platoon doesn't mean he -couldn't- be equally effective if given a larger role. It just means that the team leadership has chosen not to use him in that role for whatever reason. The reason may be good and valid. It may not be. Sometimes, it seems like teams platoon for the sake of platooning, not because both players are equally as good. See the Marion Barber / Julius Jones platoon (Barber's ability to produce didn't change at all as his role was increased).

Now, as for the Taylor/Jones-Drew platoon, I think each offers a significantly different look and I totally understand why they do so (especially given Fragile Freddy's injury history). But I think it's worth noting that just pointing out pure yardage totals doesn't offer the full picture.

Westy does rock, though.
>> Anonymous
>>101184
And conversely we don't know that a running back chugging along at 3.4 YPC (James) might not run for, say, 4.6 YPC if he got some decent blocking.

We could argue all day about what players are unappreciated by their coaches, by the fans, and by the stat book. Kevin Faulk is a great 3rd down back and will never appear on the total yards list, but he has made so many clutch plays for that Pats team over the years, and is such a great backfield blocker, he must be by definition underrated. We could argue about what backs would become stars with blocking, what platoon players could shine if given the rock, and so on.

Or we can look at the total yardage list and see which players are really producing and if we've heard of it. Westbrook and Tomlinson are clearly the class of NFL running backs, but you never hear about Westbrook in the same conversation as LT - that's really being underrated. Jamal Lewis is 5th or something, yet a year ago the speculation was whether he would die on his feet in Cleveland - that's really being underrated.

You could make an argue for Taylor based on YPC, but you'd have to allow for a similarly speculative argument for Thomas Jones based on the terrible offense that rides almost entirely on his shoulders. For the record I don't think either could do what Westbrook and Tomlinson have done.
>> Anonymous
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Jim "Don't Call Me Chris" Everett
>> Anonymous
Kevin Faulk
>> Anonymous
>>101194
All good points.

The reason I think Taylor deserves a bit more credit is because he HAS done what LT/Westbrook are doing, in the past. And the last couple of seasons, it hasn't been injury preventing him from piling up the yardage, but a coaching decision to give him fewer carries.

Look at his last fully-healthy season before he had a couple injury-prone years (he's been healthy and productive the last two seasons, but in a platoon). In 2003, he ran for nearly 1,600 yards (and caught 48 passes for another 370). That's almost exactly the same thing LT2 DID do this year (1,949 for Tomlinson, 1,942 for Taylor in '03). While not -quite- the receiving threat Westbrook is, Freddy's career yards-per-catch is 8.4, not that far behind Westbrook's 9.2 - he has plenty of "home-run threat" potential, even now (in '06 he averaged over 10 yards per catch) - he's just getting far fewer opportunities to do so because Jones-Drew is an even better receiver.

I'm not trying to prove that Taylor is better than Westbrook. I'd absolutely pick Westbrook over Taylor if I were building a team today. I'm just pointing out that Taylor has the ability to be that productive as a featured back, has done it in the past multiple times (2000, 2002, and 2003... even '04 was a pretty good year). And now, he's in a platoon, with production equalling the best in the league on a pro-rated basis. Could he stay healthy for a full-season of featured back work? I'm not sure... Then again, most players have their share of injury at that position, Westbrook included (really, Tomlinson's the only guy I can think of that produces at that level and NEVER breaks down - maybe Tiki Barber over the last 4 seasons of his career).
>> Anonymous
Rodney hampton
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35 and still kicking your ass.
>> Sneak
Len Dawson
>> Anonymous
>>101357
18-1
>> Anonymous
Randall Cunningham.
>> Anonymous
>>101391

4-12
>> Anonymous
>>101357

>David Tyree made a bitch out of him.

fixed
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santonio motherfucking holmes.
>> Anonymous
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One person who never underrates Marshall Faulk: Marshall Faulk
>> Anonymous
KEVIN FAULK. /thread.
>> Anonymous
Kellen Winslow is a fucking soldier!
>> Anonymous
>>100669
50 Kevin Faulk post.
>> Anonymous
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Matt Hasselbeck has been the backbone of the seahawks, I wouldnt say he is too underrated but he deserves more respect from national media
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>> Anonymous
>>102426

Everything from Seattle gets ignored. You should be used to it by now.
>> Anonymous
>>102426
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzpowxGfVFE
WE WANT THE BALL AND WE'RE GONNA SCORE
>> Anonymous
>>102431
I know I just wish we could get some respect I mean the Seahawks have played above .500 since '98 I think
>> Anonymous
>>102436
thanks dont remind me, but that doesnt mean he isnt a good player
>> Anonymous
>>102436

Hilarious for me was this year when he had to talk to the press about that the week before playing Green Bay in the NFC division game. He said: "Look, I'll just get it out of the way, we want the ball and we're gonna score." Lulz were had.

And then we lost 42-20
>> Anonymous
Ryan DeMeco
Defensive players are always underrated.
>> Anonymous
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don't mind me, just havin' 4 straight 1000+ yard seasons
>> Anonymous
>>102438
Maybe not, but it does mean he is a fucking failure unworthy of respect.
>> Anonymous
Justin Tuck
>> Anonymous
>>102480
How Eli won SB MVP I'll never know. Unless I consider how stupid sportswriters are.
>> Anonymous
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>>102484
He unleashed his inner Manning, that's how.
>> Anonymous
tom brady
>> Anonymous
sidney crosby
>> Anonymous
kobe bryant
>> Anonymous
a-rod
>> Anonymous
dale ernhardt jr.
>> Anonymous
>>102517
>>102516
>>102515
>>102514
>>102513
o i get it cuz theyr all overrated lol funni.
>> ­>:3
>>102521
no you don't get it because youre a dumb fagget you are
>> Anonymous
>>102522
no i get it and im not dumb u r doosh
>> Anonymous
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Steve McNair
>> Anonymous
FRANK MOTHERFUCKING GORE! THIRD ROUND PICK! HE EATS ACLs FOR BRUNCH, BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER AND A MIDNIGHT SNACK!
>> Anonymous
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Patrick motherfucking Willis

one of the best LBs in today's game, and gets no press
>> Anonymous
>>102806
the fuck are you talking about? he was the safe pick in 07.
>> Anonymous
>>102806
the guy was a pro-bowler last year, which was his rookie year. you're an idiot
>> Anonymous
>>102484
They almost always give that award to the winning quarterback.
>> Anonymous
>>102806
ok he led the league in takkkles last year, he was a no-brainer rookie starter out of ole miss last year. great football player. the problem...

San Frans defense was AWFUL. remember sir, its NOT a good thing if a non pass rushing mike linebacker leads the team and/or the fucking NFL in tackles, that means he was making all the tackles 6 or 7 yards from the line of scrimmage that other players werent making.
hes still fucking awesome
>> Anonymous
>>103889
Then they should rename it "Super Bowl Most Winningest Quarterback." Then the sportwriters would look smart for giving it to the QB that won the game each year.
>> Anonymous
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Hi, I'm Adrian Peterson and I am going to get 2000 yards this year, book it.

What's that? Not underrated? Oh yes, you're underrating him.

Purple JESUS.
>> Anonymous
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Fuck Moss, fuck Welker, fuck Stallworth, fuck Maroney

You want someone to punch the goddamn football in the endzone or get you five straight first downs in a row you turn to this motherfucker
>> Anonymous
You'll get 600, have a season ending injury, and repeat for the next 3 years. Good job, purple jesus.
>> Anonymous
>>102806
Out of the 170 non-sack tackles Patrick Willis made last year, 3 were at or behind the line of scrimmage.

THREE.

That is a pretty piss poor percentile, especially for a run-stopping Mike linebacker.

You want an underrated linebacker, look at the VIking's E.J. Henderson. Great run stopper - not a run chaser like Willis and Demeco Ryans.
>> Anonymous
>>104113
Purple Jesus rises from the grave, only to fail and promise to do better next time.
>> Anonymous
>>102382

/thread
>> Anonymous
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>>101357
WHO'S ASS YOU KICKIN, FAILTRIOT?
>> Anonymous
>>104086
Purple Jesus???

I took some purple Jesus rolls last week, and they really blew.
>> Anonymous
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i call this purple Jesus
>> Anonymous
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>>104086
You rang, bitch?
>> Anonymous
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>>101200

Chris.