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Anonymous
Pensfag here.

I just want you all to know that we are utterly and completely fucked for the 2008-09 season.

The best possible outcome from any of this is that we get the first draft pick next year, and I don't see that happening.

Oh and in before CB starts crying. I'm really quite ashamed that he is the representative for the Pens here.
>> Anonymous
Where do you think Malkin and Crosby will go after their contracts are up?
>> Anonymous
Roster looks solid to me, they got rid of some AHL-caliber players and last I checked their AHL affiliate lost in the AHL finals. Easy replacements.
>> Anonymous
>>211091
Honestly, I think Crosby will stay with us. I'm almost certain that's why he got captaincy so quickly, it's a lot harder for a captain to leave than the rest of the team. If he does leave I think he'd go to a Canadian team, probably Ottawa if anyone.

And as for Malkin, I can see him fucking off back to Russia, and honestly I hope he does.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>Oh and in before CB starts crying. I'm really quite ashamed that he is the representative for the Pens here.

Get off my dick son.

>Pensfag here.

>I just want you all to know that we are utterly and completely fucked for the 2008-09 season.

You are completely fucking ignorant.
>> Anonymous
>>211093
I just started typing out this whole rant about how our team was falling apart at the seams, but I took another look at the roster just now and you may be right.

My main irk is that we lost Conklin. He's the reason we made it to the playoffs last season and he's one of the best goaltenders in the game. MAF does alright, but he can't play consistently and we have to remember the ass-goal that lost us the Cup.

I also don't like that fact that we no longer have anybody to fight for us. I know we were never a really physical team, but with Laraque, Roberts and Malone gone, we basically have to cop it in the ass if another team wants to push us around.

Either way, I don't see us doing well this season, and I'll be surprised if we make it past the first round of the playoffs.
>> Anonymous
>>211119
Hossa left for Detroit because of you.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>211121

>MAF does alright, but he can't play consistently and we have to remember the ass-goal that lost us the Cup.

If you think that the "ass-goal" is the reason the Pens lost the cup; you should just stop posting now. It was a fluke event.

The Pens lost because they failed to capitalize on 2 separate long 5 on 3s and were fucking awful in the first 2 games of the series.

>My main irk is that we lost Conklin.

A back-up goaltender who didn't play a single game in the Playoffs. EVERYONE PANIC!

>I know we were never a really physical team, but with Laraque, Roberts and Malone gone, we basically have to cop it in the ass if another team wants to push us around.

You are obviously a casual fan. The pens have moved swiftly to grab up agitators and enforcers. Fucking look at the free agency signings moron.

>I don't see us doing well this season

Name the teams in the east that got significantly better in the FA period.
>> Anonymous
>>211123
Cry moar CB
>> Anonymous
>>211123

Detroit
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>211127

>Name the teams in the east that got significantly better in the FA period.
>Name the teams in the east
>teams in the east
>east
>> Anonymous
>>211128

Detroit
>> Anonymous
>>211091
Detroit
>> Anonymous
>>211127
>>211124
>>211130
HAHAandHA
>> Anonymous
>>211128
Tampa Bay, not to say they'll be winning anything anytime soon, but they'll be alot better than last season.

Also, the Rangers are a toss-up, they could be alot better or they could be alot worse, have to wait for the season to start to find out.
>> HAHA teh east saiyan zubas
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LOL at teh east being any good next season, haha, youve gotta be fuckin kidding me, its good we got another backup though, IMO, homeboy related there <
could use some vacation time midseason
>> Anonymous
The Habs are 70% likely to win the East
90% if they get Sundin
>> Anonymous
True ! Habs will rape the east ...
Imagine, that faggot Ryder gone, replaced by Alex Tanguay and that huge nigger Laraque to prevent painful rapes during the games.

By the way, I'm a habsfag and I'm fucking laughing at your fucking face Pensfags.

I just still fucking hate Detroit... god dammit..
>> Anonymous
Patrice Bergeron.
>> Anonymous
>>211245

Hey bruinsfag...this is the Eastern contenders thread. Didn't you get the memo?
>> Anonymous
>>211250
Oh I'm sorry, were we moved to the West or something?
>> Anonymous
>>211252

Enjoy eight more thrashings at the hands of the Habs.
>> Anonymous
>>211254
For some reason I don't see that happening again. Maybe it's because we took them to 7 games with a gutted roster, or maybe it's because we got our franchise player and number 1 goalie back this season.
>> Anonymous
govenor schwarzeneggers:
fax: (916)-445-4633
phone:(916)-319-2147
>> Anonymous
>>211257

You got Thornton back? Because that's the last time you had anything resembling a franchise player. Bergeron is a borderline first-line C.
>> Anonymous
>>211264
Bergeron is also 22 years old. Considering his age and the fact that he's a 70+ points a season guy despite having played with offensively flawed linemates he has the potential to be a franchise player if he stays with us, which he will.

Not only that, but Bergeron has one of the best 2 way games in the NHL. Sure he won't be putting up any 100 point seasons any time soon, but I wouldn't put it past Savard to do so.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>211275

>Sure he won't be putting up any 100 point seasons any time soon, but I wouldn't put it past Savard to do so.

>100 point season... Savard

LOLNO
>> Anonymous
The east in the NHL is quite similar to the east in the NBA.

WEAAAAK
>> Anonymous
>>211088
Shitty trolling attempt #12987438

the anti-pens bandwagon is for newfags
>> Anonymous
>>211290
Because he was so far away from it during the 2006 season.
>> Anonymous
>>211293

I love how you Western homers equate the dominance of the Red Wings as dominance by the Western Conference as a whole.

Beyond the Sharks and Wings, who else is even decent out there?
>> Anonymous
Mid-Atlantic Division 08-09 standings

1. Devils/Flyers
2. Flyers/Devils
3. Rangers
4. Penguins
5. Islanders

The way it was always meant to be.
>> Anonymous
>>211315

Ducks, but going downhill. Blackhawks could be pretty great next season. Flames and Stars.

It isn't nearly as lopsided as it is in the NBA, but I would definitely say the West has much stronger teams overall.
>> Anonymous
>>211323

The Stars are the Devils of the West

Calgary is hardly great enough to hinge an actual argument on it.

Jesus, the Flyers have one bad season coming off the lock-out and suddenly the Conferences are lop-sided? Give me a break.
>> Anonymous
>>211318
Top 3 or 4 in the division will still make the playoffs.
>> Anonymous
>>211340
And it will be just like this year with the lowest seed scrambling to make enough points to hold off Boston/Toronto/Buffalo/Carolina
>> Anonymous
>>211344

Hold off Toronto? Bwahahaha. They'll be in the Tavares race all year.
>> Anonymous
>>211121
>My main irk is that we lost Conklin. He's the reason we made it to the playoffs last season and he's one of the best goaltenders in the game.
>Conklin. he's one of the best goaltenders in the game.
WAT
>> Anonymous
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>>211356
As they should be

>>211108
If Crosby goes to any Canadian team it would be Montreal, because I believe I heard a news story or a read an article that he loved the Habs growing up
>> Anonymous
>>211384
>he loved the Habs growing up

So he's a typical bandwagoner douche?
>> Anonymous
>>211387

Yes, just like most Pittsburgh fans, he didn't give a shit about them til they got Crosby.
>> Anonymous
>>211123
>You're obviously a casual fan.

Good one, CB!
>> Anonymous
>>211123

Like I told you before, the "ass-goal" shouldn't have even been the game winner in the first place. There was no reason that that penalty was called with about 2 minutes left to give the Pens a PP and bring it to 3-2.
>> Anonymous
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>>211119

No, CB, YOU get off MY dick!
>> Anonymous
>>211387
>>211393
....wait, what?
>> saiyan zubas
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lol, good thing i aint gotta worry to much till teh season starts (ozzies good, but you NEVER know with jsut one good goalie) just cant wait till oct 1, going to the ATL trashers game!
>> Anonymous
>>211121
You blame Fleury for the ass-goal, yet claim Conklin is one of the best goalies in the game? Do you remember what happened the last time Ty Conklin was in a playoff game? He mishandled the puck behind the net, gave it to Rod Brind'amour who scored the GWG against Ty, that goal would turn out to be the difference in the series.
>> Anonymous
>>211811
You're being trolled. Conklin is borderline NHL caliber, we all know this.
>> UZ !kHzD4It5Tc
>>211123
No... quite literally, the ass-goal did lose you the cup. It was kind of the GAME WINNING GOAL
>> Anonymous
Tim THomas is AHL Caliber.

Worst goalie in the league.
>> Mazarin
>>211989

Oh come on. You've never seen the:

Thrashers
Senators
Panthers
Lightning
Kings
>> UZ !kHzD4It5Tc
>>211989
What? Tim Thomas is great.
>> Anonymous
>>211999
I lolled so fucking hard when the Kings just sorta stared and drooled when Bryz went on waivers.
>> Anonymous
>>212010
0/10

Terrible troll.
>> Anonymous
>>212025
Ersberg looks pretty good imo.
>> Anonymous
I miss Raycroft, he was so much better than Tim Thomas.
>> Anonymous
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>>212036
HE'S OURS NOW BITCH!
>> Anonymous
>>212036

no one misses raycroft
>> Anonymous
>>212054
Too bad he sucks.
>> Anonymous
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>>212036
Can I has 3.92 GAA?
>> Anonymous
>>211300
I'm a Pens fan, you douche.
>> Anonymous
>>211383
I'm dead serious. I would take Conklin over any other goaltender in the NHL at the moment.
>> Anonymous
>>212990
>I just want you all to know that we are utterly and completely fucked for the 2008-09 season.

>The best possible outcome from any of this is that we get the first draft pick next year, and I don't see that happening.

Why're the pens fucked? You didn't lose anybody decent. It was a shitty trolling attempt.
>> Anonymous
>>212991
0/10
>> Anonymous
>>212994
I'd say about 3/10. It's probably the persistence. This is what people who don't know shit about hockey actually believe.
>> Anonymous
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>>212993
>>You didn't lose anybody decent.

DO HOHOHOHOHOHO
>> Anonymous
>>212996
Lol'd.
>> Anonymous
>>212994
I'll give it a 5/10. At the price they picked him up for I think the Wings got themselves a great backup. He's nothing close to the most desirably goalie in the league, hell he'll probably never be a starter, but he did save Pittsburgh's ass when MAF was injured. As long as he dosen't need to play in the post-season he'll be just fine for Detroit.
>> Anonymous
>>212996
They were the 2nd seed without him.
>> Anonymous
>>213001
He wasn't referring to the signing.
>> Anonymous
>>213002
Detroit was first seed without him too. Can't wait to watch the rest of the league metaphysically wet themselves facing next year's lineup.
>> Anonymous
>>213003

I'm talking about his performance just as much as the signing. No he isn't anything even close to the best goalie in the league but the anon brings up enough half-truths
>> sayain zubas
d00d, you and me both bro, good god iman haveta get some damn clippers for ym nose, gonna smeel lke a urinal at times, haha
>> Anonymous
Dear Penguins bandwagon,

Had you been around for the last time Pittsburgh was worth bandwagoning for, you would have realized by now that your team's good fortune is living on borrowed time.

Say "hi" to the Islanders for us.

Love, Devils, Flyers, and Rangers
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213045

In the twenty years since 1988-9, the Pens have made the playoffs 14 times.

That's the same as the Flyers and 4 more times than the rangers.

You are a moron.
>> Anonymous
>>213056BAWWWWW MY TEAM IS GOING TO STRUGGLE TO MAKE THE EIGHTH SEED THIS YEAR BAWWWWWW BAWWWWWW

Protip: tuck and roll when you fall off that bandwagon
>> Anonymous
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PROTIP: Hockey and Pennsylvania are laffed at.
>> Anonymous
>>213056
damn you and your facts! they have no place on /sp/!!!
>> Anonymous
>>213077

Either the pathetic tripfag, or clueless newfag
>> Anonymous
>>213056

It's too bad, all-time, Pittsburgh has only had 23 post-season appearances to Philadelphia's 32.
>> Anonymous
>>213056

How many of those times resulted in a cup?
2.
Detroit's won 4 in that same time period.

Also, I don't give a shit about this being an east thread, the only team that matters next season is the back to back champs, bitches.

WHEN LORD STANLEY COMES TO HOCKEYTOWN HE NEVER LEAVES.
>> Anonymous
>>213103

Except when the Dead Things choke and get bounced from the first round by the #8 Seed

And once the rest of the NHL figures out Europeans = winning teams, there will be a little more competition in the league.
>> Anonymous
>>213109

And even if by some unholy anti-miracle that happens the east still ain't gonna win shit.
>> Anonymous
>>213111

Okay, let's put it this way, ignorant Western homer, when the East can send the Carolina Hurricanes and the Tampa Bay Lightning to the Finals and have them actually win, you know the West is full of shit beyond Detroit.

Nigger, we took Toronto off your hands to make your Conference suck less. Do you realize what kind of suckiness handicap Toronto comes with?
>> Anonymous
>>213114
Carolina got some lucky shit in. I'll give you Tampa bay, but goddamn. Your shit got FUCKED by the goddamn DUCKS. it evens out, besides Toronto..
>> Anonymous
>>213114
Carolina only got out of the second round because Hasek was injured. Their entire cup run was exclusively the result of team-crippling injuries to the other team, and even then it took them seven games twice in a row to win the series.
>> Anonymous
>>213109
By that argument:
-San Jose choked
-Anaheim choked
-Carolina very nearly choked, and only avoided it because of Roloson's injury.
>> Anonymous
>>213109
>>And once the rest of the NHL figures out Europeans = winning teams, there will be a little more competition in the league.

Detroit has had dominant European players on the roster for ages now. If NOW all of the sudden other teams are going 'hurr, the Red Wings have lots of Euros, and they play really well', I pity the fan who's team has such slow-witted management.
>> Anonymous
>>213122

Sounds a lot like the Pens '08 play-off run, except, you know, Caronlina finished.
>> Anonymous
>>213125

Name five other teams in the league that utilize both European players and the European style of play like the Detroit Red Army Wings.
>> Anonymous
>>213129
Nobody has been stopping the rest of the league all this time from emulating the same. Either the management is too stupid to notice it, or more likely, they simply don't have the kind of scouting and player development brain trust Detroit has, in which case it's retarded to say that having lots of Europeans on your team is going to somehow magically result in success.
>> Anonymous
>>213128
The only really critical injuries that were in the Pens favor was when they played Philly. Ottawa was going to lose badly no matter what, having Alfie healthy wasn't going to change that. I think the NYR won their only game when Avery was actually out due to health issues, and Franzen and Holmstrom were only out a game apiece and it obviously didn't make much difference since they won both games either one was absent.

Carolina well and truly leaned on opposing injuries to win them series. I think five of Buffalo's d-men were out of commission and replaced with AHLers, and they still fought them of to seven hard-fought games. Ditto to Edmonton when they lost an extraordinarily hot goalie and his backup decided to give the Hurricanes game one.
>> UZ !kHzD4It5Tc
>>213093
CB doesn't remember anything that far back, he's only 13, you know.
>> Anonymous
>>213147
They also only capitalized on 2 cups. So, more appearances, yet the same result. Championships seem to be the thing that matters, so who cares.
>> Anonymous
>>213147
Neither can any other Pens fans; they booed the shit out of Scotty Bowman even though he coached their team to their only Stanley Cups
>> Anonymous
>>213155

Flyers have been Eastern Conference champions seven times.

Ptttsburgh? Three, including this past season.

This past season also marks the first time Pittsburgh has managed to beat Philadelphia in the post-season. Their last three meetings ('89, '97, and '00) all resulted in Flyers victories.

Did you know that all-time during the regular season, Pittsburgh is 76 -130 - 30 against Philadelphia?
>> Anon vi Philadelphia !!CF3BKIiUIDY
>>213268
Stats saved for future references.
>> Anonymous
>>211123

It was a fluke they even made it to the Stanley Cup Finals, if you ask me.
>> Anonymous
>>213361

I look at it in terms of overall benefit for the league.I feel that the Pit-Det match-up was good for the NHL in terms of helping bring exposure to more (potential) fans.

Yes, I'm abso-fucking-lutely sick of having Cindy Crosby shoved in my face by the media 24/7, but there isn't nearly as interesting of a roster in Philadelphia in terms of marketing fodder.

I don't think Det-Phi would have made it past 5 games, and would not have been nearly as dramatic as the finals turned out to be.

I am, however, glad that the Wings won, not as a homer, but could you imagine the media frenzy if Crosby, Malkin and Fleury were hoisting the cup at 20, 21, and 23? Fuck that noise.
>> Anonymous
>>213268
way to live in the past grandpa
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213268

In the past 20 years the Flyers have how many cups again?
>> Anonymous
>there isn't nearly as interesting of a roster in Philadelphia in terms of marketing fodder

Philadelphia is just as young as Pittsburgh, but unlike the Pens, they don't lean on two forwards and their goalie to win games. Hockey has always held the status of a true, team sport. Detroit plays as a complete team, Philadelphia plays as a complete team, but Pittsburgh does not. Bettman's been trying to market the NHL like the NBA for a decade now. It hasn't worked and it won't work.

>>213397

76 -130 - 30
>> Anonymous
>>213369dramatic as the finals turned out to be.

Getting shut out two games in a row was dramatic?
>> Anonymous
>>213509
No, but a double-overtime win on the road and being 0.5 seconds away from forcing another overtime was fairly exciting.

Philadelphia was too banged up after the East. Conf. Finals to put up that much effort. Would have possibly been a sweep for Detroit.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213509

A 6 game series that finished with 4 straight 1 goal games.

Game 6 finished with a puck skittering right across the goal mouth after a superb glove save.

It was a great series. Did you even watch?
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213507

No championships in your lifetime.

Crushed in 5 games this past playoffs.

What have you done lately Philly?
>> Anonymous
>ITT: Teams that got significantly better during the FA period

Columbus.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>213522

One game is not drama. Okay, perhaps for the Pens bandwagon of fairweather faggots, they were interested, but to every other NHL fan, the Finals weren't special. We were just waiting for the futility of playing the Red Wings to set in for Pittsburgh. The Penguins didn't do anything any other play-off team (sans Ottawa) couldn't have mustered.

But, to be fair, the play-offs always seem to sputter after the first and second rounds. That's only natural to expect from four tired teams, really.
>> Anonymous
>>213536

see>>213528
>> Anonymous
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Just a reminder, this is my league mow, bitches
>> Anonymous
>>213530

76 -130 - 30

Cry moar, you fairweather piece of shit. Philadelphia has seven Finals appearances to Pittsburgh's three. Philadelphia has been Divisional champs fifteen times to Pittsburgh's six.

And the best you can do?

>BAWWWWW YOU STILL HAVEN'T WON MORE CUPS

Enjoy your delusions that one play-off series reverses an established history of being Philadelphia's bitch.
>> Anonymous
>>213542
see
>>213536Pens bandwagon of fairweather faggots
>>213528CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>> Anonymous
>>213564
I'm a Wings fan, and I found the finals exciting. Any overtime game in the finals is nerve-wracking, and I was chomping on my nails hard at the end of Game 6.

Fuck you.
>> Anonymous
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>>213547
FUCK YA LUCIC!!!!!
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213563
>Philadelphia has seven Finals appearances to Pittsburgh's three.

Only in Philly is FAILURE something to celebrate.

I'm sure you love reliving those epic days of failing in the Super Bowl.
>> Anonymous
look at that jew nose
>> Anonymous
>>213114
Today's Western teams are superior all around to Eastern teams. It's a fact, you can tell if you even watch hockey. The east is trying to focus on just shooters, and trying to get teams that can be carried by one or two players. (See: Capitals, Penguins) The West is more physical than the East overall (excluding Flyers hurr), and more teamwork oriented. The Pens would have lost to the Sharks, Flames, Stars, and Red Wings (again) if they were to have play them in the Finals. They probably would have even lost to a HEALTHY Avs team, but don't call me on that one.
>> Anonymous
>>213594
Might as well crunch the numbers!
NBA -
Philly: 3 NBA Titles.
Pittsburgh: No NBA Team. Ouch.
Winner: Philly.

NFL -
Philly: O Super Bowl wins.
Pittsburgh: 5 Super Bowl wins.
Winner: Pittsburgh.

MLB -
Philly: 1 World Series championship.
Pittsburgh: 5 World Series championships.
Winner: Pittsburgh.

NHL -
Philly: 2 Stanley Cup championships.
Pittsburgh: 2 Stanley Cup championships.
Winner: It's a push.

By process of elimination, Pittsburgh wins Pennsylvania.
>> Anonymous
As good as the Pens were last year, will be as bad as they are this year.
>> Anonymous
>>213612

the super bowl wins don't count, they were all roided up freaks
>> Anonymous
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>>213594
Speaking of reliving days of failure...
>> Anonymous
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>>213619
>> Anonymous
>>213612
It's like comparing two piles of shit.
>> Anonymous
>>213622
Hey, shit is worth big in sports these days, so don't be a hater. Examples include Patriots 18-1; Practice?; Playoffs?; Vince Carter; etc.
>> Anonymous
>>213625
...What?

I'm inclined to disagree just because of the sheer stupidity of that post.
>> Anonymous
>>213594

76 -130 - 30

Are you such a moron that you can't comprehend how abyssmal that record is?

Hey, the Pens finally beat the Flyers in a play-off series. Congratulations, you discovered an anomaly.

>>213608

Hey, look, lots of claims that really mean nothing because you can't back them up. And, in the end, your argument is nothing more than LA LA LA DETROIT'S IN OUR CONFERENCE ALL OF OUR TEAMS ARE BETTAR
>> Anonymous
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>>213547
OH IT'S ON BITCH.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213631

You have never seen a victory parade, in philly, in your ENTIRE LIFE.

How does that feel?
>> Anonymous
>>213639
>>213640

76 - 130 - 30

It's ironic that you point that out, since the last time Pittsburgh won a cup, you were in diapers.

I've also never sold my seats at a Stanley Cup Finals game.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213643

>It's ironic that you point that out, since the last time Pittsburgh won a cup, you were in diapers.

Nope, try again.

Celebrate meaningless regular season victories, it's a philly tradition.
>> Anonymous
>>213631

When did I ever say that just because they had Detroit, they were better? It's not a matter of the West being good. It's a matter of the East being generally mediocre. PITTSBURGH was the "best" you could produce. And most teams in the West playoff bracket could have likely beaten them in a series of seven. But if you want numbers, I'll give you them, faggot.

EAST
Atlantic vs WEST
Pittsburgh Penguins 8-1-1
New Jersey Devils 7-3-0
New York Rangers 1-7-2
Philadelphia Flyers 5-5-0
New York Islanders 3-3-4

Northeast

Montréal Canadiens 3-5-2
Ottawa Senators 4-3-3
Boston Bruins 6-4-0
Buffalo Sabres 4-6-0
Toronto Maple Leafs 3-7-0

Southeast

Washington Capitals 6-3-1
Carolina Hurricanes 4-6-0
Florida Panthers 4-3-3
Atlanta Thrashers 5-5-0
Tampa Bay Lightning 4-6-0
So pretty much 6 teams in the East had a positive record against the West. 6 had a losing record. 3 had .500. Pretty good!

WEST
Central vs EAST
Detroit Red Wings 7-2-1
Nashville Predators 5-4-1
Chicago Blackhawks 4-5-1
Columbus Blue Jackets 6-3-1
St Louis Blues 6-3-1

Northwest

Minnesota Wild 4-4-2
Colorado Avalanche 8-2-0
x - Calgary Flames 4-3-3
Edmonton Oilers 5-4-1
Vancouver Canucks 5-3-2

Pacific

San Jose Sharks 5-5-0
x - Anaheim Ducks 8-2-0
x - Dallas Stars 6-4-0
Phoenix Coyotes 5-5-0
Los Angeles Kings 5-4-1
And...11 teams in the West had winning records against the East, ONE had a losing record, and 3 had .500.

The West did better against the East than vice-versa. How bout YOU back up your arguments, idiot?
>> Anonymous
>>213653
By the way, just for reliabilities sake, that's straight from NHL.com.
>> Anonymous
>>213645

76 - 130 - 30

All your sputtering can't save you from the dire fact that the Philadelphia Flyers just plain own the Penguins something fierce.

Oh, and in the last 20 years, Philadelphia is 51- 44-11 against Pittsburgh. Even when the Pens are winning, and the Flyers losing, the Flyers still dominate.

You hear that tripfag? DOMINATION. And there isn't a damn thing you can hold up to deny that. The Flyers are your orange and black masters. Suck it down.
>> Anonymous
>>213656
And yet, the flyers haven't had a cup in a long time. Oh noes, you have a better rival record, yet nothing else to show for it.

ITT: Flyerfags celebrating meaningless victories when they can't get anything else.
>> Anonymous
>>213653

Oh, hey, look, you can spout numbers and make a shallow analysis.

The Kings had a winning record against the East. They were tied for worst team in the league. The Rangers, a team as good as any in the West (barring Detroit), only one once in regular season play against the Western conference.

Do you really think your argument really holds up against any scrutiny? Get your head out of your ass. There is no imbalance between the conferences that isn't the direct and sole resposibility of the Detroit Red Wings. Oh, what am I really expecting. I pointed this out to your stupid ass the last time you started spouting this bullshit.

>>213659yet nothing else to show for it
Seven conference championships, fifteen divisional championships, oh and 130 - 73 - 30 -3 record against Pittsburgh.

Be glad Pittsburgh won those Cups, otherwise we'd have that much more to mock your fairweather asses with.
>> Anonymous
>>213645
Go back to sleep and DRV yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>213668
Hey, did you not also read TWO STANLEY CUPS when you were looking up that info on wikipedia?

For all your flaunting of how great the Flyers are compared to the Pens, they've done the same thing. Two cups. So what are you saying, your team can make it to the playoffs more, but still fail?

Seriously, shut the fuck up moron. Your statistics only prove that BOTH teams are fucking inferior in every single way to the Red Wings. You can lick my ass when I go to see the cup my team won.
>> Anonymous
>>213728
/thread.
>> Anonymous
At least I don't live in Detroit.
>> Anonymous
>>213659

And the Pens haven't won a cup in 16 years. Fuck, they haven't BEEN to the SCF since 92.

Fact of the matter is, the Flyers have been a far more successful club than the Pens. We don't need 5 years of suckage, and stocking up first round picks in order to be a good team.

Here's some more stats, the Flyers have the 2nd best winning percentage OF ALL TIME, behind the Canadiens. I can't imagine where Pitts is on that list. First NHL Expansion team to actually win the cup, back-to-back.

And I sincerely doubt that CB was alive in 1992, let alone being cognizant of hockey.
>> Anonymous
>>213735
>they haven't BEEN to the SCF since 92.
>BEEN to the SCF since 92.
>SCF since 92.
>92.

I guess we're ignoring '08...
>> Anonymous
>>213749
You're ruining his statistical perfection!

Here's a list of the teams BETTER than both the Flyers and the Pens, alltime.

Montreal Canadiens 24
Toronto Maple Leafs 13
Detroit Red Wings 11
Boston Bruins 5
Edmonton Oilers 5
New York Islanders 4
New York Rangers 4
Chicago Blackhawks 3
New Jersey Devils 3
Colorado Avalanche 2

Those numbers? That's the # of cups they won. Face it, two loser teams, from the loser state of PA fighting over stupid shit. Leave it to pennsylvaniafags to think they have anything of value. Flyers, Pens, Pirates, Phillies, Eagles, 76ers all fucking suck.

The only team worth mentioning among good teams is the Steelers dynasty of the 70's. Nothing else from the state is worth it. move the Steelers to LA and turn the damn state into a parking lot, you inbred retards can move into West Virginia.
>> Anonymous
>>213749

Other than last season.
>> Anonymous
>>213668
Are you fucking retarded? I give you an actual basis for my argument, and even I'll admit that it wasn't the greatest. But it was there, and it proved something. The West generally does better against the East than does the East to the West. Do you really believe that if the Red Wings weren't as good as they were, then the conferences would be evenly matched? YOU get your head out of your ass. You could tell that the West were had overall the better teams just by WATCHING two teams from different conferences, (but of the same position in the standings of their respective conferences) play and comparing the play. I've given some backup for my claim that the West has in the edge in the quality of teams. It's not like I'm trying to say that any given team from the West could whoop any team from the East on any night. I'm saying that in the overall quality of TEAMS, the West has the edge. It may not be a large edge, or a tiny one, but it's definitely there. Do you think that, if you exclude the Red Wings, the conferences are fucking EVENLY matched? No, and if you do, you don't watch hockey, you're fucking retarded. There has to be a conference that is better, not necessarily by a lot, but better. That conference, at least this year, is the West. And the evidence is there. Why don't you give some proof to say that the Eastern Conference is on par with, or better (whatever your claim is) than the West (excluding the Red Wings, because I know you like that). "HURRR WELL THE EAST WON THE ALLSTAR GAME."
I've given backup twice now, and all you've been able to do is "LOL NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT," you stupid fuck. Back your argument the fuck up.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>213735

>Flyers have been a far more successful club than the Pens.

You are fucking delusional.

>And I sincerely doubt that CB was alive in 1992, let alone being cognizant of hockey.

You are a complete dipshit.
>> Anonymous
>>213794
You are a homer bandwagoning fairweeather faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>213794

Other than calling names, prove me wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>213817
Make him post his birth certificate!
>> Anonymous
Ahaha, now he's being a pussy and fleeing to the football threads.
>> Anonymous
>>213779

Insisting you're right is not the same as proving your argument. You claim one conference is better than the other, and the burden of proof is on you. You claimed showing inter-conference records proved your point. We demonstrated that you've taken those records so far out of context that they mean nothing.

And now what do you come up with? Nothing. Zip. Nada. You start pussy footing around your bullshit now that you've spewed it everywhere. You can't give any decent reason why the West is apparently so much better than the East to justify why you bother posting DERP DERP WEST IS BETTAR at every given opportunity. When confronted, you can do no more than name call and insist you're right, rehashing defeated arguments because you can't stand to be wrong when you are fucking Anonymous on a fucking anonymous image board.
>> Anonymous
>>211088

Should have moved to Kanas City
>> Anonymous
>>214140

WINRAR.

God, I really wish they would have moved to KC, that would have been hilarious.
>> Anonymous
>>214143
but then there wouldve been no butthurt anti-pens bandwagon, and your life would lack meaning
>> Anonymous
>>214062
SOUNDS A LOT LIKE CB
>> Anonymous
>>214144
Spoilers: the average member of your phantom "anti-pens bandwagon" is a fan of a rival team that has every right to spit on the Penguins for being a fucking rival team.
>> Anonymous
>>214280
So, everybody who followed hockey since before 2006?
>> Anonymous
>>213156
Bowman only won a single Cup with the Pens. See "Badger Bob Johnson". "It's a great day for hockey!" ring any bells. We didn't boo him at the games either. We booed that jerk off Osgood and his overly talented buddies. If you Detroit fans noticed we all stuck around and gave you a round of applause when you hoisted the cup and Zetterberg received the Conn Smythe. We're at least half as classy as any fan that Detroit can put up, trust me I grew up there. I had two good years as a Pens fan in the nineties and then I had to hear from an entire state for fifteen years.

As for next year, we're going to do fine. I think we'll be better in the regular season than last year. We really only lost one irreplaceable player to FA and that was Hossa. We picked picked up Satan and Fedotenko to wing with Crosby and I'll be surprised if we don't see Staal playing second line with Malkin and Sykora. I think those two lines will carry do very well. We're going to be fine, we'll make the playoffs and we'll have a damn good chance of making the finals again. If we make smart trades at the deadline like we did last year we'll be in an even better position.

It's July, let's get into the season before we hand the Cup to Detroit. Christ.
>> Anonymous
>>214417

Detroit demolished Pitt and then picked up their one irreplaceable FA. Sounds like Detroit wins.
>> Anonymous
>>214424

Well, yeah. They're the dominate team in the NHL. They're the team to beat. I grew up in Hockey Town, I'm very aware. I'm also aware that despite being the dominate team they tend to give it away a lot. They've won the Presidents' Trophy three times in the past four seasons and have only been to the finals once.

They're always going to be a threat, but not as big of one as most people make them out to be. I'm going to be very interested to see how Hossa and Conklin do in Detroit. I hope we get to play them again next year in the Finals, when we're both in a better place. I think we'll see a much better series then.

What I would like to see is the Penguins get a more mature coach like Babcock who can bring some strength to the bench. We haven't seen anyone really good there since Bowman left. You can't count Brooks either, he wasn't there long enough. I think we'll see a dominate team when we get a high caliber coach.
>> Anonymous
>>214062
I don't mean to say that the West is "SO MUCH BETTER," I mean to say that the West was better last season. Not by a lot, not by a little bit, but it was. And if you still fail to see that, stop watching hockey. You say that all I've been able to do is say "DERP DERP WEST IS BETTAR" but all you've been able to do is say is "LOL NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT" and accuse me of calling names to prove I'm right, when I've given two arguments, both of which you weren't quite able to comprehend. They may not have been the best, but they did prove that at least, the West had the edge. They both said that in some way. What did you come back with in retaliation? "That's not proof you stupid ass." So essentially you've just said "you're wrong," called names, (how very hypocritical of you) and done nothing to say that the West ISN'T better. You blow things that I say out of proportion, and then use that to say the argument I supply doesn't support what I said before, because you've blown it up in your mind. Example: I said the West had the edge in teams and was better than the West. You took it to mean that I thought the West was SO MUCH BETTAR DERP DERP than the East. No. They have the EDGE. You've done nothing to combat anything I've said other than cursing and saying my argument isn't valid. Like I said before, if you think the conferences are evenly matched (barring the Wings) then you're nuts. One has the edge, almost always. Last year that was the West. And again, you could tell that by watching hockey.
>> Anonymous
Goddamn I'm done bothering with you...
>> Anonymous
>>214280

LOL

No. They're people who don't respect the Pens, because they're entire franchise history is based on tanking and picking up the top picks. They INTENTIONALLY tanked to get Lemieux, and they finished near dead last for years in the 00's. Then they lucked out and got Crosby.

They have ZERO ability drafting and developing talent (which I have to give Detroit respect for, even if I'm not a fan) or making trades, so I cannot respect the Pens.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>214543

In the past twenty years(including the lockout) they have made the playoffs 14 years.
>> Anonymous
>>213774

best post of the thread.

on an unrelated note (semi-related: teams that made lots of playoff failures) lets go blues...
>> Anonymous
>>213774
>Here's a list of the teams BETTER than both the Flyers and the Pens, alltime.

Toronto Maple Leafs 13

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

try winning the cup when it means something next time, jerkoff

Fuck...1967...christ you are fail
>> Anonymous
>>214533I don't mean to say that the West is "SO MUCH BETTER,"

But that's exactly what you say and/or support. End of discussion. There is no "edge" of any worthy note and no distinct advantage with any proof. Yet here you are, yet again, claiming exactly that. If you don't "mean to say" it, why do you post it in every thread that mentions the East and the Stanley Cup?
>> Anonymous
>>214585
I've only posted it twice. Whatever. I suppose we can agree to disagree then.
>> Anonymous
The West is superior to the East. End of story.
>> Anonymous
>>213794

I used to like Mario Lemieux but you make it hard to like anything that is associated with the Penguins.
>> Anonymous
>>214571

Seriously. The cups handed out during the days of the Original Six were close to a joke. One man owned most of the teams and it was kept a monopoly until the sixties. The reason the Wings, Leafs and Canadiens have so many Cups is that they passed it back and forth for all those years. Also, the drafting rules in those days were horribly skewed for the Canadian teams. Teams had exclusive rights to all players within a fifty mile radius, so the only American team that could draft any good Canadian players was Detroit. The States didn't have a developed farm system at that time either. The Canadiens and the Wings are the only teams to do well out of that time frame. The Wings had what, a forty year drought between Cups? The Bruins? Where have they been since the 70's? Competitive, barely. Don't get me started on the Leafs or the Blackhawks. The only two teams that are better without argument are Montreal and Detroit. The rest, let jerk off fair weathers argue. The smart fans know that none of these teams have a history they can brag about too much.
>> Anonymous
>>214600
Thank you.
>> Anonymous
>>214543

I wouldn't be so quick to accuse the Penguins of tanking purposely, even in the 80's. Definitely not in this century. They've been plagued with abysmal management from inception. The team's been on the brink of bankruptcy twice since the 70's. Lemieux played for no money towards the end of his career to keep the team afloat. It's a miracle that the team stayed solvent long enough to draft and retain it's current roster of stars. The reason they were so terrible this decade can be put squarely at the feet of the management, who made terrible trades and invested heavily in players that didn't pan out. I don't think their front office had the collective skill to put together a good farm program. That's changed. Shero is making smart trades, picking up good free agents, decent drafts and their farm team is doing well.

As for as tanking in the 80's, that's debatable. One, they came into that decade short on talent and fresh off a bankruptcy. Two, they were in the Patrick Division with the Islander, Flyers, Capitals, and Rangers. There weren't many teams as solid in the early 80's. Also, the Devils were in the same division, played just as bad, took high picks and still managed to suck it up just as long as the Pens did. Longer even.

I wasn't old enough to watch hockey before Lemieux was drafted, so I can't comment on what exactly what went down. It seems like typical Pens though, just bad. I was watching them during their last down turn and that was nothing but bad decisions and poor play. No one does that on purpose.
>> Anonymous
>>214600
/thread.
>> Anonymous
>>214585
>I don't mean to say that the West is "SO MUCH BETTER,"

>But that's exactly what you say and/or support.

Oh, ok.
>> Anonymous
>I said the West had the edge in teams and was better than the West.
>> Anonymous
Still going to be top 3 in the East, still worse than Detroit.

/thread

(Pensfag also btw)
>> Anonymous
>>215306

That would imply they would win their division which they won't. They barely did this year. Did the Penguins even break .500 in their own division?

The Penguins lost all their grit and replaced it with Fedetenko. He will not be enough to withstand the poundings Philadelphia and New Jersey can deal out.
>> Anonymous
>>215331
>That would imply they would win their division

No it wouldn't.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>215331

>The Penguins lost all their grit and replaced it with Fedetenko.

Look again dipshit.
>> Anonymous
>>215342
see
>>215306top 3 in the East

The top three seeds are reserved for division winners. It is impossible for a team to not win their division and finish higher than fourth.

>>215343

I'm sorry, Fedetenko and AHLers. Say "hi" to the Islanders for us.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>215349

>Trolling hockey threads in July. Feels good man.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/transactions/?hubname=nhl-penguins
>> Anonymous
>>215351
Yeah, just look at all those no-names.

Doesn't your fucking team have a farm system or som-

Oh wait, it's Pittsburgh. They tank seasons to score high draft picks. Nevermind.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>215354

>Doesn't your fucking team have a farm system or som-

Our farm team was in the Calder cup finals even while we called up their best players.

You are a fucking moron.

14 out of the last 19 seasons they have been in the Playoffs which includes two STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONSHIPS.

TANKINGLOL
>> Anonymous
>>215356

>Our farm team was in the Calder cup finals
They lost
>we called up their best players
Who? And do they even really matter? Detroit proved PIttsburgh is nothing more than the Crosby/Malkin show.

>14 out of the last 19 seasons they have been in the Playoff
You act like those other five seasons they were finishing 9th. Spoilers: they were mucking about in the basment. Hence Fleury, Crosby, Malkin, Staal, etc.
>two STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONSHIPS
After tanking to get Lemieux.

Your franchise is a joke.
>> Anonymous
>>215366
that joke was the second best team in hockey last season
>> Anonymous
>>215390

After spending five years in the gutter collecting high draft picks.

thatsthejoke.jpeg
>> Anonymous
>>215356

Pens went bankrupt, had to call Mario to help, he couldn't do it, the State had to come in and make sure they wouldn't move.

Yeah, a real quality franchise you have there....
>> Anonymous
>>211290
Savard had 97 points in 05-06. And 96 in 06-07.

Dumbass.
>> Anonymous
>>215390
second best
second best
second best
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>215422

Who is he going to be passing to dipshit?

He couldn't score to save his fucking life.
>> Anonymous
>>215439
Michael Ryder for one, who potted 30 with one of the worst playmaking centers in the league and if they put Sturm on his left wing that's a damn good offensive line.
>> Anonymous
>>215276
Sorry, Brainfart.
>than in the East*
fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>215439
PROTIP:
Never listen to CB, He's a dipshit. He's better at making up things than L. Ron Hubbard.
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
Hey. Here's a funny pix.
>> Anonymous
I still remember the game the pens played the rangers and went down by 2 or 3 goals midway through the game, CB was right there with the tuck and roll.
>> Anonymous
why are we even discussing teams like the pens and bruins in the east? the only teams that are worthy of discussion for next year are the wings, sharks, stars, canadiens, rangers, and leafs (to see how they make their tanking creative). lets get some real nhl discussion in here instead of trying to glorify two mediocre teams from philadelphia.

anyone's thoughts on the stars? not sure if turco can keep up his amazing stats and style for too long unless he gets more offensive support (which avery helped a bit with).

(but honestly, the wings already won. let's just accept this already.)
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
>>215578glorify two mediocre teams from philadelphia.
>> Anonymous
>>215578
Two mediocre teams from Philadelphia (you are an idiot) that played each other in the conference finals

christ are you fail
>> Anonymous
>>215578anyone's thoughts on the stars?

They are the New Jersey Devils of the West.

And no one really cares about the Sharks.
>> Anonymous
>>215633
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
>> Anonymous
>>215654
Pathetic attempt to cover your ass.
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
>>215471

Fuck Bruins fans are stupid. i guess that's why they think they've always got a chance at beating the Habs. They're like the idiot mouse that keeps going after the cheese no matter how many times they get shocked.

Here's some reality:

1. Ryder is one of the dumbest players in the NHL. In fact, I've talked to Willie Mitchell, who says he's got the rep of being the dumbest guy in the league. He has zero hockey sense.
2. Koivu makes anyone who plays with him better. Zednik looked great with him, and he made Ryder look a lot better than he was too, not vice versa.
3. Bruins are missing the playoffs again. Enjoy another season of getting ass-raped by the Habs, who are now even BETTER than before.
>> Anonymous
>>215667
I love the Habs, and Ryder's time with them was over, but all of his success, both in the AHL and NHL, came when he was being coached by Julien. Maybe it's a coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him pot 30 again this year. That, along with Bergeron coming back, I can't see the Bruins not making the playoffs. I mean, I don't think they'll go anywhere, but I think they'll make it.

If any team from the east that made last years playoffs aren't making it this year, it's Ottawa or Philly.