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Anonymous
To me, the flashing red light of “beware, cheating ahead!” is when one country dominates weightlifting.

The Chinese are doing that.

A woman named Liu Chunhong just won gold for China in weightlifting.

That gives China six of the eight weightlifting golds.

And consider this:

1. The two golds China didn’t win? It didn’t have an entrant in the category (women’s 53 kg, women’s 63 kg).

2. Three of China’s gold medalists won in blowouts. Its athletes lifted 22 pounds more than the runner-up in the men’s 69 kg competition; 31 pounds more than the runner-up in the men’s 62 kg competition; 37 pounds more than the runner-up in the women’s 58 kg. Not inconsiderable victory margins.

3. The sixth Chinese gold was a massive blowout. That would be this Liu woman, at 69 kg, who defeated the silver medalist from Russia by 68 pounds. Yes, by 68 pounds. It wasn’t a competition, it was an exhibition.
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>> Anonymous
inb4 butthurt fag
>> Anonymous
Olympics is authoritarian dick waving fest etc.
>> Anonymous
China has been dominating weightlifting for a while now, check the Athens results: 5 gold, 2 silver.
>> Anonymous
THE USA ARE CHEATING IN SWIMMING
>> Anonymous
dont get me started on the shooting event
>> Anonymous
You Americans seem to have a massive inferiority complex, don't you? I know that the Chinese are doping until the decaying bodys of their atheletes contaminate their soil, but did you expect anything else? Just live live with the fact that for once you don't win the most Gold Medals.

Additionally your country is the only one that counts the total Medals to determine the Medal Standings. Every normal country counts Gold first, then Silver, then Bronze. It seems like there are two rules when it comes to Olympics:

1. USA wins.
2. If by any chance USA doesn't win, rule 1 comes into effect.
>> Anonymous
>Additionally your country is the only one that counts the total Medals to determine the Medal Standings.
...Americans do that? What the fuck.
>> Anonymous
>>243436
NBC does. I don't know if there are other sports-sites which do it the proper way.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/medals/2008standings/index.html
>> Anonymous
>>243435
im an american but it's true
we do count medal totals hahaha
see..china is ranked 1 with less total medals than us
WRM/ENG/INF/GL/95A/GL0000000.shtml
>> Anonymous
>>243435
>You Americans seem to have a massive inferiority complex, don't you? Watch as I dismount with an awesome triple irony.
>> Anonymous
http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/GL/95A/GL0000000.shtml

apparently the official olympics site does
>> Anonymous
>>243431
thats not cheating, its just a ridiculous amount of events.
100m forwards freestyle, 100m backwards freestyle, 100m inwards forwards freestyle, 100m inwards backwards freestyle, 200m... etc.
An above average swimmer can easily get 4+ medals.
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
What I don't understand is why other countries think total medal counting is silly?

Say you got awarded 10 100dollar bills 8 50dollar bills and 9 20dollar bills and someone else only got 11 100dollar bills....

would you say they got off better than you?
>> Anonymous
>>243457
Just ask the fucking IOC. You just don't play by the international rules, but why should the mighty US of A be bothered with rules, when they work to their disadvantage?
>> Anonymous
>>243457
never try to use that analogy
again. it's not bad to count total medals but it's not the official way of ranking countries
>> Anonymous
>>243457
I will agree as soon as Olympic medals are accepted as means of payment.
>> Anonymous
>>243462
So, a country with 50 bronze medals is better than the country with, lets say, 10 gold ones?
>>243424
Chinese are doing what Phelps is doing in swimming... Oh, wait!
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243462

you do know we will probably still have the most gold medals yet again as well.

2004 we had the most in every medal catogory except bronze and in 2000 every one except silver...

and we were still looking at total medal count then..
>> Anonymous
And this not the same as swimming, where a single individual can compete in many, many events. If a team had a dominant swimmer like Phelps, he can clean up in the medal count because he can participate in nearly every event.

Not so with weightlifting, where the competition is broken down into weight classes. China didn't need to find one great lifter in order to sweep the competition; they apparently have found an entire team of people who are each the world's best in their respective classes.
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243471
Id say so... gold is overrated especially when you win them in sports like badminton.

A bronze in Soccer, gymnastics, track and field >>>>gold in badminton, volleyball or any other silly sport thats there that no one knows of.
>> Anonymous
>>243471
>So, a country with 50 bronze medals is better than the country with, lets say, 10 gold ones?

? Not enough information.
>> Anonymous
>>243481
Well that's the trouble with medal counts isn't it? A Handball-, Hockey-, Volleyball- or Soccerteam has worked at least as hard as Phelps. But the difference is that he has the oppertunity to win 10-odd Medeals, whereas the team can only win one.

And the fact remains that you are not using the official method of determining the standings, no matter how much you argue.
>> Anonymous
>>243481

Not true.
It's a sport, you can compete, therefore winning is just about the same...
>> Anonymous
>>243490

It's ALL about winning.

Silver is the first one at the losers list.
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243490
Yeah winning rock paper scissors is the same as winning a triathlon
>> Anonymous
where is your proof?
if IOC can't find shit then all your points are invalid because I may as well say every other winner is doping.
like those niggers in track & field, or phelps.
not to mention that these Chinese athletes are training like crazy, several years straight without any rest, while some of their competitors aren't even professional.
>> Anonymous
>>243481
Volleyball is a fuck ton more interesting than soccer
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243514
I would agree. But winning a soccer medal should still hold more weight as we KNOW all those countries live for soccer.
>> Anonymous
>>243516
Maybe the Southamerican countries, but the Europeans don't give a shit about Olympic men's soccer. Their national Olympic teams usually consist of their U-23 players.
>> Anonymous
>>243524
yeah, I don't know why they do that....

wait, I think there's an age limit of 23 years old in the olympic soccer...perhaps that's the reason
>> Anonymous
Olympic football is entry level crap, should be dropped.
>> Anonymous
>>243524
All teams are under 23. Though they're allowed three players over that age.
>> Anonymous
>>243516
>>243524
>>243535
>>243536
Nobody cares about Olympic football. If there was no age limit and the clubs had to let their players go it would be just another world cup. This way it's a poor countries' WC. I mean, look at who we sent - Spain (okay, EURO winners), Italy (fags didn't go as far as they wanted in EURO so they want this not to be total fail) and Serbia and Belgium. Shitsux. Might as well give the medal to USA so we can have USA won FIFA again.
>> Britannian Anonymous !4bbKDTSEQc
>>243543
As one of the BBC's blog guys said. "If winning an Olympic Gold isn't the highest honour you can achieve in your sport, then you're doing a Non-Olympic sport and shouldn't be there. I agree with him, Tennis, Football, Baseball (Already has been), Basketball and sports like it should be dropped from the games, it'd save us all a load of trouble.
>> Anonymous
>>243536
It shouldn't be dropped, it should be taken seriously. Drop the age limit and FIFA actually taking a stance at making the clubs release their players.

"OH NOES IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE WORLD CUP"- how is that a bad thing? I'd love to have the World Cup every two years. Most (all?) olympic sports also have their own world championships, it's nothing new.
>> Anonymous
>>243559
The season starts before the Olympics begin. For some clubs at least. CL and UEFA cup qualifications started a month ago, and today is the third leg, which has some great clubs participating, so not all players would play anyway.
>> Anonymous
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To me, the flashing red light of “beware, cheating ahead!” is when one country dominates swimming.

The Americans are doing that.

A man named Michael Phelps just won gold for China in swimming.

That gives America six of the eight mens swimming golds.

And consider this:

1. The two golds America didn’t win? It didn’t have that entrant (Phelps) in the category (400m freestyle, 100m breastroke).

2. Three of America's medals were won in blowouts, record breakers. Phelps shattered the previous records by enormous margins Not inconsiderable victory margins.

3. The fourth American gold was a massive blowout. That would be the 200 meter freestyle

By the way, America's swimming golds account for 8 of their 10(And about to more by Phelps own admission!.)

When one country dominates swimming like that, we are left with two ways to look at this.

1. The dominant country has hit on some formula that no one else has figured out. A system of training, a way of identifying swimming talent. And that system, and that method, has produced weightlifters who are trashing the competition. Maybe that has happened. Maybe. May-be.

2. The dominant country is cheating. And hasn’t yet been caught. And its competitors haven’t figured out how they’re doing it.

Choose for yourself.

If I ran America’s Olympic program, I’d telll Phelps to mix in more silvers along the way. Because that might make what’s going on look at least vaguely legitimate.
>> Anonymous
Lol at Butthurt Amerikkkans

BAWWWWWWWWW OTHER COUNTRIES DECIDE TO ACTUALLY FOCUS THEIR PROGRAMS ON SPORTS OTHER THAN SWIMMING, HOW WILL WE EVER BEAT THEM?
>> Anonymous
>>243574
hahhaha fucking win
>> Anonymous
>>243424
Fuck all of this, I can't wait for 100 meters race (athletics). Should be fucking close.
>> Anonymous
>>243574
1. The dominant country has hit on some formula that no one else has figured out. A system of training, a way of identifying SWIMMING talent. And that system, and that method, has produced WEIGHTLIFTERS who are trashing the competition. Maybe that has happened. Maybe. May-be.

holy shit, so you have to be a good swimmer to be good at weightlifting huh?
>> Anonymous
>To me, the flashing red light of “beware, cheating ahead!” is when one person dominates swimming.
>Michael Phelps is doing that.
>> Anonymous
>>243595
actually michael phelps is totally new to weight training.
http://sports.ign.com/articles/627/627665p1.html
>> Anonymous
>>243601
umm ... you got that wrong.

Using the same OP logic, since the Amerikkkans - including Phelps - are dominating the swimming (18 of the 29 medals that the US has comes from swimming alone), then it must mean that the Amerikkans are 'cheating' also.
>> Anonymous
>>243574
DURR HURR

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL THE SEVERAL SWIMMING EVENTS ARE JUST MORE DISTANCE AND DIFFERENT STYLES.

If one person is very good, it is very easy for that one person to win these very similar events.
>> Anonymous
ITT: eurofags not understanding the OP's argument and weightlifting in general

it's easier for an athlete like phelps or michael johnson, etc. to dominate a single sport like swimming/track b/c the events are similar as is the training


weightlifting has classes. it's not PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE to be dominate in all events unless the team is dominant

go back and look up the past results for china

2004: 2 Mens Gold - 8 events/3 Womens Gold - 7 Events
2002: 1 Mens Gold - 8 events/4 Womens Gold - 7 Events
1996: 2 Mens Gold - 10 events/No womens events

2008 so far:

3 Mens Gold - 3 events/ 3 Womens gold - 5 events

only 7 events left

they ARE ahead of their usual curve of about 30% gold

is it suspect, not yet. if it continues? yes. easily.

people aren't looking at this practically. if it was ANY other country, it's no big deal b/c it'll eventually come out. but with the whole ruckus over the gymnastics team, all eyes on china at the international stage, tremendous pressure, etc..YOU BEST BELIEVE china will do 'whatever it takes.'

tl;dr summary: not a problem yet, might be later
>> Anonymous
>>243641
>weightlifting has classes. it's not PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE to be dominate in all events unless the team is dominant

A 48kg midget can't enter the higher weight classes? That's bullshit!
>> Anonymous
Yeah it's not like China has been placing huge emphasis on their weightlifting program for decades now.

Americans are so pathetically butthurt when they're insecure.
>> Anonymous
>>243574
lol fucking WIN
>> Anonymous
ITT: butthurt Americans

when they specialize it's "DEDICATION" when others specialize it's OMGCHEATING
>> Anonymous
>>243659
LOL EPIC XDXDXDXDXDX
>> Anonymous
>>243658
>>243662butthurt
typical eurofag trolls

this isn't an america vs the world thread

america isn't even good at weightlifting. we rarely place bronze, let alone win

this is about fair competition

but it's ok, if you eurofags want china to go ahead and taint the spirit of the games, then that's fine. i don't know why you'd even want to post on /sp/ then
>> Anonymous
>>243641all eyes on china at the international stage, tremendous pressure, etc..
Well, this means it would be easier for them to get caught.

Second, it also means they're more motivated. Playing at home is always an advantage. Not having to travel far, staying in familiar sorroundings and having the entire stadium cheering you on can be huge boosts. And obviously they worked harder for these Olympics than ever before. A significant improvement is not weird. I don't know much of anything about weightlifting and I don't suppose you're some kind of specialist either, but I haven't heard any commentaries or anything from people who actually follow this crap being terribly amazed at the results and suspicious of cheating.

tl,dr: lol butthurt.
>> Anonymous
>>243677

The "Spirit of the Olympics" is Americans circlejerking themselves? No thanks.
>> Anonymous
>>243677

>but it's ok, if you eurofags want china to go ahead and taint the spirit of the games, then that's fine.


The spirit of the olympics is over since a long time
In fact since we discovered that 3/4 of american atheltes were dopped
>> Anonymous
>>243692
>In fact since we discovered that 3/4 of american atheltes were dopped

explain please.
>> Anonymous
USA is cheating in track and field baseball, football, swimming
>> Anonymous
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>>243677

The spirit of the games
>> Anonymous
>>243677

Im from Europe and I agree that there is something funny going on.
>> Anonymous
>>243701
Don't forget basketball. The Olympics is about peace but every single player they have is some black gangsta, intimidating the opposition with guns and rape.
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243701
>>243720

you guys aren't even trying any more.
>> Anonymous
>>243681butthurt
you were going so well with your argument too

1) home advantage is minimal in weightlifting

greece, USA, and australia received no boost when hosting

it's not like track/swimming/etc. it's a pretty simple sport. either you can lift the weight or you can't. no amount of cheering is going to change that. there's no 'reserve tank'/kick like there is in running/swimming/rowing/etc...you either have it, or you don't. plain and simple

2) usually nobody gets caught until after the games/competition. incidentally one/two of china's medal in 2004 was due to another team testing positive for doping.

which makes their 'improvement' even more remarkable


i didn't say they're doping, like the OP has. however, i do agree that it's something that should be examined a _little_ more carefully

It's ok to play devil's advocate and be wrong; but to outright dismiss something b/c of 'ameriKKKa is butthurt' is just plain ignorance
>> Anonymous
>>243559
Putting the olympic soccer tournament on a comparable level to the World (or even Europe) Cup would overshadow everything else and the whole media would be all over soccer and forget about swimming, track & field and all the other shit.

This may not be true for US media but every other media on the planet would be all over soccer because that's what the people would be interested in.

The way they handle soccer is just perfect and shouldn't be changed. Make a U-20 tournament out of it and everyone would be happy
>> Anonymous
Fuck you Amerikkans. China is whooping your asses in something and we support them. Nobody cares about your whining.
>> Anonymous
>>243710
way to prove my point dumbass

all her doping shit didn't come out until the past year.

but it's ok since you're a troll, i'll just reexplain myself.

1) an athlete like marion jones gets caught doping, it comes out eventually. it might take years, but it happens. and it did. why? b/c your so called 'amerikkka' has a democratic legal system and checks and balances


shit like this happens in china? ok, let's just file an accusation at the governm-OH WAIT


>>243717
smart euro ITT
>> Anonymous
>>243734
i just guess we will have to wait and see. Though China is not gonna make it easy.
>> Anonymous
>>243720
Have you even seen the team? They're a bunch of goody two shoes.

Athens 2004, shit that team was fucking ghetto.

>>243701
Football? Football isn't an olympic sport dipshit. Also baseball has only one medal. There would be no reason to cheat in baseball, you should cheat in something like weightlifting which has numerous medals awarded.

And fuck off europeans, your countries individually suck so you combine them all together and act like that's how it's supposed to be and you're better than America. Maybe if your country's athletes (in all of your cases, GBR) actually won something you could fucking talk shit. But now all you can do is take pride in other countries' accomplishments and act like they're your own because you're on the same continent.

Fuck off.
>> Anonymous
>>243757
We have more medals, and we haven't even started using our niggers yet...just wait for track and field and baseball and basketball to be done
>> Anonymous
>>243757
Why are you supporting China? I know there's like this big EU vs USA pissing contest, but China's actually a terrible fucking country. We can bitch on /r9k/ all we want about how much the other side sucks, but China actually has problems like civil rights abuse, lackluster child labor restrictions, high pollution, not to mention executing more prisoners in one month than Texas has in the last decade for more crimes than just murder.

And why are you pulling for china and not your own country? Is it because that country happens to suck balls?

Look in your heart, you know it to be true britfag.
>> Anonymous
>>243761
Wrong. Without proof, there is no crime. All that means is Marion Jones and the USA are dirty fucking cheaters.

Shut the fuck up amerikkans.
>> Anonymous
>>243782
Anybody that makes you bitches fail and cry.

Amerikka's tears are delicious. You are hated. Die.
>> Anonymous
>>243782
Sorry, some of us have a real world experience with China (I've worked there periodically over the past 5 years) opposed to what you have defecated into your ears every day by Fox Noise in your mom's dingy basement.
>> Anonymous
>>243788
Because European athletes have never cheated.
>> Anonymous
>>243764

>Football? Football isn't an olympic sport dipshit.


He spoke about the real football you know the sport where you kick the BALL with your FOOT
>> Anonymous
>>243782

What's it like living in a constant haze of stupidity? I'm curious.
>> Anonymous
>>243795
So you're telling me that China is a better country, much more in tune with the world than America.

Fuck off, you could have lived there your whole life but you're not going to sit there and tell me that all the bad shit about China is just made up propoganda.

>>243794
I guess when your own country sucks so much you have to take joy in the misfortune of others. Oh well, that's schadenfreude for you.
>> Anonymous
>>243799
And you're telling me that america cheats at that? we never win that event.
>> Anonymous
>>243799
Punt Pass and Kick is not a real sport, its a fucking activity for children.
>> Anonymous
>>243804
lol hypocrisy much? I'm a British citizen. Your little one party political system with two factions is cute, keep convincing yourself you have what was it? Civil rights? Freedomz? That's schadenfreude for you.
>> Anonymous
>>243804
I lived in both China and Amerikka, Amerikka is ugly and smells like shit.

Enjoy your guns and crime, rednecks.
>> Black ? Star !x8ngkAZjXE
>>243822

I don't believe you did idort. Enjoy your lack of freedom and cramped bungalow.

I can't believe so many people pretend that America is an awful place to live.
>> Anonymous
>>243821
Who said anything about the two party political system? I was talking about the fact that a child doesn't spend it's days in the factories in America, and that someone can steal another man's television set and not be under penalty of death.

You can mock the American political system all you want, I really don't care, but telling me that China is sunshine, puppy dogs, and rainbows, well now you're just talking out of your ass.
>>243822
>smells like shit
you have never been to Beijing. Or Shanghai. Or any industrialized Chinese city
>> Anonymous
>>243822
fuck off man. i'm chinese and lived in china and although things have improved TREMENDOUSLY its still a shit country that doesn't come even close to all the benefits there are in living in America.
>> Anonymous
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ITT same deluded butthurt Amerifag. Delicious tears are delicious.
>> Anonymous
>>243858
You are a fucking scumbag naturalized traitor.
>> Anonymous
To me, the flashing red light of “beware, cheating ahead!” is when one country dominates swimming.

The Americans are doing that.

DURRRR, PHELPHS R CHEAT
>> Anonymous
The only people who like Amerikkka are shitbags and peasants who couldn't make it in their own nation.
>> Anonymous
>>243903
and you're a misinformed eurofag
that thinks his shitty european country is actually better than any other.
>>243909
Except the Americans aren't really dominating swimming. Phelps is, but as a team they have actually been a little disappointing.
>> Anonymous
>>243913
haha ok. butthurt eurofag troll who is too ashamed of his country's shitty performance to formulate a cogent argument.
>> Anonymous
>>243920

OK, so Phelps is dominating single handedly. When one man is that much better than the competition, in so many events, I start getting suspicious.

Drugs have spoilt sport to such an extent that I can't trust anybody to be as good as they seem.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>243959
Track and field could be seen the same way a few years back when the world record holder in the mens 100m was caught doping, and even the last gold medal winner is banned because of doping. Track and field along with cycling are probably the dirtiest of sports, but the former seems to be getting "cleaner".
>> Anonymous
>>243424
>1. The dominant country has hit on some formula that no one else has figured out. A system of training, a way of identifying weightlifting talent. And that system, and that method, has produced weightlifters who are trashing the competition. Maybe that has happened. Maybe. May-be.


Gee, I don't know, maybe having the largest talent pool in the world to choose from might be their strategy?
The second biggest country in the world, India, is dirt poor and has a ridiculous cast system which blocks access to opportunity to the majority of its population due to idiot traditions and simpleton beliefs (not that they're more simple than what the average American believes), meaning they won't be competitive. The next biggest country, USA, has a population less than a quarter of China's.
I think you're explanation is there, OP. More people there are, the further out the max is going to be for a normal, or indeed any distribution model.

Now stop crying that the USA isn't winning and get back to church.
>> Anonymous
>>243983

Cycling seems to have turned the corner from what I've seen as well. Same way track and field had a spell a couple years ago where every big name seems to get thrown out, so did cycling.

So now in both sports it's all the younger ones who (hopefully) didn't get the chance to get embroiled in the doping competing now. In the Tour de France this year, for example, nobody of any note was thrown out, which was rereshing.

The problem with swimming, however, is that the don't seem to have had that clearout yet, so I can't help but think there is a big problem under the surface.
>> Anonymous
>>244003
Abso-fucking-lutely
Blood samples are stored for 8 years, so we'll talk later.
>> Anonymous
Jesus Christ, it's weightlifting. You don't have to have a lot of talent there, it's just hard work and then some. They probably lifted rice bags 24/7 on their fields.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
The US will win the medal count and the gold count.

As usual.

Track and field events haven't even started.
>> Anonymous
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>>243997
shitty eurotroll

nowhere in the OP does he even mention america


once again you faggot eurotrolls need to learn how to read and comprehend. this isn't an america vs the world thread

this is about china and POSSIBLE doping.

THE END.
>> Anonymous
>>244011
>They probably lifted rice bags 24/7 on their fields.

Close, most of the Chinese Olympic athletes are paid to train and taken care of by the government since they were children so training is all they do, everyday.
>> Anonymous
>>244020
no we don't need you in this argument faggot

you jinxed the penguins with your bullshit, and as soon as you show up the thread turns to ass (if that's even possible at this point, i don't know)

but gtfo. you're a horrible excuse for a 'fan'
>> Anonymous
>>244020
Momentum is a like a wave on the ocean. Once it gets close to shore, CB tries to front-run it, but just ends up sinking.
>> Anonymous
>>244020

Go back to /k/ you jingoist faggot.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>244028

It's not an argument.

It's a statement of reality.
>> Anonymous
@ medal count: who fucking cares?