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Anonymous
Predators will beat the Wings in the first round.

Yeah, I said it.
>> Anonymous
Yes, they will.

And Bettman's forehead will gain sentience and take over his body.
>> Anonymous
>>58049
If the latter kills him, I think I could almost handle the former happening.

Almost.
>> Anonymous
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>>58049
>> Anonymous
>>58056
A picture says a thousand words.

His picture is 'MORON' one thousand times.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58049
>>58056
>>58054
>>58060

Look at all these butthurt Canadians.

Guess what, no one wants to move another team to Canada.

Next in line will be Kansas City.
>> Anonymous
>>58047

jesus christ that is the coolest team logo I've ever seen
>> Anonymous
>>58076
>jesus christ that is the shittiest team logo I've ever seen

I ran this post through Troll translator v2.0.
>> Anonymous
>>58077
Wrong, it isn't the Penguins or the Ducks

>>58069
Yet again you naively assume that a 'better hockey market' HAS to be Canadian, despite being told numerous times that hey shithead, there are states with long-standing hockey traditions too.
>> Anonymous
>>58069
Hi, Gary
>> Anonymous
>>58069
I'd still take Kansas City over fucking Tampa Bay.
>> Anonymous
>>58069

Ohiofag and>>58049here.

Fuck Canada.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58095

Tampa Bay was 8th in attendance this year.

Just below Detroit and above Vancouver.

They finished in LAST PLACE in the east.

Is that good enough for you faggots?
>> Anonymous
>>58047

Oh LOL. And I bet you think the detroit tigers will win a game in april too?
>> Anonymous
>>58077

so you translated it from english into troll? why bother?
>> Anonymous
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Joe Thornton will beat all 7 other seeds in the West simultaniously all while making toast.

Yeah I fucking said it.
>> Anonymous
>>58108
I miss you Joe......
>> Anonymous
>>58109
Bruinsfag?
>> Anonymous
>>58109

Bruinsfag detected.
I feel your pain.
>> Anonymous
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>>58107

MY JOKES DON'T WORK THAT WAY
>> Anonymous
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>>58117
>>58109

Sharksfag laughs at your misery.
God he looks good in teal.
>> Anonymous
>>58077

LOOK AT MY FANGS NIGGER
>> Anonymous
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>>58117
I remember the good ole days ;_;
>> Anonymous
>>58144

I know. It's okay. It's all gonna be...

...okay.

;_;
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58095

I love how I shut you the fuck down with>>58105and you fled the thread.

Never post again.
>> Anonymous
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>>58144
JESUS FUCK. What did you fruit cake New Yorkers do to Joe Thornton?

Seriously Big Joe whats up with the hair?
>> Anonymous
>>58105
ITT we take a single year and announce deep-south hockey as a rounding success.
>> Anonymous
>>58147
Indeed, your veritable avalanche of single-team single-year number-throwing as 'evidence' was truly flawless.
>> Anonymous
>>58105
PROTIP: physical attendance numbers account for a pitifully small percent of revenue. TV contracts are where the real money is made, and more Canadians are going to be tuning into the weekly hockey game of PPV packages than some yokels in South Florida ever will.
>> Anonymous
>>58147

I love how you base success of the location for a hockey team on a single season's numbers.

Florida only needs one hockey team.

Never post again.
>> Anonymous
>>58161
I love how your sense of american demographics is so horribly skewed. Yokels root for the Thrashers cause yokels come from the South. And when I say South I mean the Real South not Florida.

NEVER POST AGAIN
>> Anonymous
>>58147
I love how you constantly run back to the same set of numbers from the same source that documents statistics that in the end only add up to a small portion of a franchise's revenue in the first place. How does Tampa Bay size up in terms of merchandise sales? Pay-Per-View package sales? Fuck, even season ticket sales? Oh that's right, physical game attendance is the be-all-and-end-all of all revenue of all sports franchises.

Your thesis gets a big fat F.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58155
>>58152

I agree... if it was a one-year phenomenon.

Last year, Tampa Bay had the THIRD most attendance in the league. In 2006, they were SECOND.

Stop fucking posting.
>> Anonymous
>>58147
You're fucking one to talk. For weeks you were publicly masturbating about how the Pens would rape Philly in the last game of the season and top the East, then vanished when the Flyers got the shutout and subsequently denied you the Eastern Conference.

In b4 "bawww, we threw the game", you revelled in topping the East for WEEKS and your team didn't fucking do it, no ifs ands or buts. You're a faggot AND a hypocrite.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58167

>How does Tampa Bay size up in terms of merchandise sales?

That doesn't matter dipshit. All the teams equally share merchandise revenue.

But you don't know anything about the league so that's news to you.

YOU KNOW NOTHING.
>> Anonymous
>>58170
you suck more of crosby's dick than gary bettman, and you want us to believe you actually know hockey?

pittsburgh is a loser town. go home kid, just go home.
>> Anonymous
>>58168
7th < 2nd.

Their fanbase is dropping away now that the Stanley-Cup revelry is dying down. Toronto has been shit for years yet their attendance numbers in your precious data sheet show that with the exception of a single year they've ALWAYS been in the top five in attendance. Montreal has been equally mediocre beyond the last half of this season, and they're locked in at number one the whole way through. Their fanbases haven't wavered, their fanbases haven't required a recent Cup win to carry momentum for attendance numbers. Tampa Bay have gotten a boost with 2004, but the numbers you insist on throwing out indicates that they're already beginning to drop off.
>> Anonymous
>>58170
Way to ignore every single other question you were presented with.

You're really the king of pussyfooting around stuff.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58175

Everything he named was related to attendance, which I've already shown Tampa Bay excels at.

>>58174

They dropped from 2nd to 7th because the team was in LAST FUCKING PLACE. It happens and it's completely unreasonable to expect attendance to remain in the top 3 with an awful team. The facts are that Tampa Bay has shown outstanding support for their team.

Get the fuck over it.
>> Anonymous
your logo is a bottle opener. plus, u like hockeys. way to go shitbag.
>> Anonymous
>>58235

Flyers managed 7th last year in attendance with a shitty team. If you do not support your team, even though they suck, you are a bandwagoning faggot, and don't even deserve to have a team.

I want to see Tampa's attendance in a year or two when they are still at the bottom of the league, garuan-fucking-tee that they will be in the bottom 15.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58252
>I want to see Tampa's attendance in a year or two when they are still at the bottom of the league, garuan-fucking-tee that they will be in the bottom 15.

Let me know when that happens. In the meantime, we have to move the Devils to a market that will appreciate them.

Stop bitching about southern teams with support and start bitching about northern teams without it.
>> Anonymous
>Stop bitching about southern teams
>CapitalistBastard

What fucking bizarro /sp/ did I stumble into?
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58261

You missed the

>with support

part.
>> Anonymous
>>58254

Yes, because I LOVE the fact that a team that has won 3 Cups in the past 10 years, has a fanbase so low, that AHL teams are surpassing them. Though, they are stuck between the Flyers and Rangers, so getting fans isn't exactly the easiest things to do. It was a poor decision to move them there in the first place.
>> Anonymous
>>58264

Considering you constantly bitch about the *quality* and not the *popularity* of the Southeast, I don't see how that prepositional phrase makes this anything but ass-backward compared to your normal malinformed shitfests.
>> Anonymous
>>58254

>In the meantime, we have to move the Devils to a market that will appreciate them.

Also, funny you say that, considering 2-3 years ago, Penguins had the WORST total attendance, and now that they are winning, they are getting people to go to games. Again, proof that they should have let that terrible excuse for a fanbase without a team, not like they would even know it was fucking gone in the first place. Hell you said it yourself that you only support a team when it is "good" solid proof of a bandwagoner. And you have the gall to talk about anyone else's fan support?

Seriously, just stop talking, I am tired of making you look stupid. Are you going to take your ball and run home again?
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58280

The difference between New Jersey now and the Penguins in 2004?

They are in the fucking playoffs and have won multiple cups in the last ten years. The Penguins have had the oldest and smallest arena in the fucking league for TEN+ years now and were in LAST FUCKING place.

A team that is performing poorly with an inept management and an old arena isn't going to do well with attendance. What is the Devil's excuse RIGHT NOW?
>> Anonymous
>>58291

Again, just because your team is in LAST FUCKING PLACE, does not mean you stop supporting them.

Like I said, the Devils are wedged inbetween Philly and New York, who have had teams long before New Jersey, who moved from Colorado in like 1984, so it's kinda hard to build a fanbase when you move a team to an area that already has established one.
>> Anonymous
I'm a Panthersfag...yeah, with a 7 season playoff drought, we are this generation's Hartford Whalers, but unlike some people, I am not a bandwagoning faggot...there's about 5 Panthersfags on this board.

Although support for the Cats is the smallest of Miami's major sports (football, basketball, baseball, college football, etc), plenty of people still show up to games (attendance averages at about 17,000 for a 19,500 seat arena, which is actually not all that bad). Sure, they're ridiculously gimmicky when it comes to getting people through the doors, such as free gifts, cheerleaders, and post-game meet and greets, but people do show up. Games only sellout when a Snowbird team visits the Bankatlantic Center (esp. the Habs and the Leafs). The Cats have a very tight budget, but they've never been in such dire straits to contemplate moving or even disbanding (with a state-of-the-art arena and a 30 year lease, the Panthers aren't going anywhere even with new owners).

I'm from Fort Lauderdale, I've lived here all my life, and of the "big four" sports, hockey is my favorite. I'm glad that South Florida has a hockey team, and I support them 100%. Sure, they've let me down several times, but I'm a true fan. I do have hope for the Panthers to be a truly competitive team in the NHL, as they were in the 90s (back when people actually have a damn about the Cats).

So fuck all you anti-Southeast faggots. I'm not much of a fan of Bettman either, but I am happy with my Cats. The Bolts (with their big checkbook and their high attendance numbers) can seriously go fuck themselves.
>> Anonymous
>>58403

everybody listen to this man
>> Anonymous
>>58403

Yeah, and what about the 15 000 die-hards in the Hamilton area that would enjoy a hamilton team just as much as you enjoy your panthers? Of course, their opinion don't count to gary bettman because they are Canadian, so consider yourself lucky.
>> Anonymous
You're ignoring the fact that Newark, New Jersey is the third smallest city in the NHL, only behind the Panthers and the Canes. It's only fucking logical to think that larger markets are going to average more people per game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2002

there are more teams that average a lower attendance than the Devils, including WASHINGTON and BOSTON, both which are larger markets.
>> Anonymous
>>58495

er, i meant to post the 2008 link

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2008
>> Anonymous
>>58494

Preds were about to move there, hell, when it was rumored they were going to move there, they had more season ticket pre-orders than Nashville ever had, but Buttman was like "plz noo move dem to canadia cuz liek, huckey iz doooing wel in Nazhvile'
>> Anonymous
>>58495
>It's only fucking logical to think that larger markets are going to average more people per game.

Not necessarily. Atlanta is a huge city, but they can't even give away enough tickets for free to sell out the arena.

Which is ultimately the biggest flaw in the numbers CB insists of waving around. Sure Tampa Bay might be posting some decent (and declining) attendance numbers in recent years, but how many of those were the results of inflated numbers via giveaway tickets? You can have your arena selling out for seasons on end but if half of them are only there because they happened to win tickets or otherwise receive them for free through the franchise itself or elsewhere, that dosen't earn them any revenue.
>> Anonymous
>>58505
>Not necessarily. Atlanta is a huge city, but they can't even give away enough tickets for free to sell out the arena.

Which is why i posted about Boston and Washington, as well.
>> Anonymous
>>58501
Jim Whatshisname fell out with the former Predators owner, not with Gary Bettman. He got put off by his intent to move the team away from Nashville and so refused him the sale.
>> Anonymous
>>58505

Canada lost two teams for different reasons.

Quebec City lost their Nordiques because the owner ran out of money and the Quebec provincial government wouldn't provide a financial bailout. Otherwise the fans were there and the arena was acceptable to host an NHL franchise.

The Jets left Winnipeg because they couldn't afford the outrageous demands of restructuring that Bettman was demanding, seeing as Winnipeg was a small market. Bettman demanded that NHL teams must operate in arenas with more than 16,000 seats that have luxury boxes. The Winnipeg Arena (what local residents called "the old barn") was 40 years old and didn't have any luxury amenities that Bettman required for an NHL team, also it only held 15,000 people. As other NHL teams moved into more modern, luxurious arenas, Winnipeg couldn't support one. Thus, they moved to Phoenix, the Winnipeg Arena was torn down, and the Coyotes struggle with their shitty market.

Quebec's move was a success, but Winnipeg's was a fucking failure.
>> Anonymous
>>58494
Hamilton has geographical issues since the Sabres and the Leafs are so close to Hamilton. An NHL team there would have to increase its budget to pay reparations to both teams as compensation for potentially lost fanbase markets. The Whalers are unlikely to ever return for this reason, there's already four teams in the immediate area. If a new team were to emerge somewhere in Canada, someplace like Winnipeg would be more likely given that geographical infringement is a non-issue there.
>> Anonymous
>>58546

There are rumors about Seattle getting a team...
>> Anonymous
>>58291
>The Penguins have had the oldest and smallest arena in the fucking league for TEN+ years now and were in LAST FUCKING place.

CB finally fucking admits that Pittsburg is the epicenter of the fairweather hockey fan. Great job not giving a shit about your team until Sid came around, you pieces of trash.
>> Anonymous
>>58555
Guess they gotta find SOMEthing to do with that arena once the Sonics fuck off.

HIOOOOO!
>> Anonymous
>>58526

Basille, still that sucks.

>>58541

I always wondered why the Nordiques left, they always seemed to have great crowds at their games, even with the Habs in the same Province.
Shame the Jets left too, they would probably get better crowds than the Yotes seem to get.
>> Anonymous
New arenas are almost always why teams move.

Hartford's Civic Center was tiny, only seating around 14,000. The Connecticut government wouldn't finance a new arena, forcing the Whale to move.

The Minnesota North Stars had a small but decent arena in Bloomington, but the owner wanted more money from the Minnesota government, which the state government didn't entertain, moving the Stars to Dallas.

Other moves were forced by shitty markets and bad management, such as the Colorado Rockies, Cleveland Barons, Oakland Seals, and Atlanta Flames.
>> Anonymous
>>58575
>Other moves were forced by shitty markets and bad management, such as the Colorado Rockies, Cleveland Barons, Oakland Seals, and Atlanta Flames.

All of which were places that eventually reacquired teams. BUT ITLL NEVER HAPPEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE IN CANADA, APPARANTLY.
>> Arutima
>>58541


funy enough, Winnipeg made a new , modern arena, some years ago
>> Anonymous
>>58653
I think it still has the same seating capacity as the old arena, though.

Although I thought the stuff about seating capacity was a suggestion rather than an enforced requirement.
>> Anonymous
>>58546

The same thing happened to the New York Islanders. When they came around, the Rangers demanded that the Isles management pay a "territorial fee" for gutting their market. The only thing that keeps the Isles and their shitty arena in Long Island is their four Stanley Cup wins. You can't fuck with legacy, it seems.

>>58657

The Winnipeg Arena sat 15,550 patrons. Winnipeg's current arena, the MTS Centre, currently seats 15,100 patrons. The old barn had more seats.

Also, define coincidence:

The Nordiques old home, the Colisee de Quebec, was renamed the Colisee Pepsi after the move. When they moved to Colorado, they first played at the McNichols Arena, but then moved to the Pepsi Center.
>> Anonymous
>>58725
I wouldn't mind seeing the Islanders fucking off for good. Whittling down the NHL dosent have to be restricted exclusively to deep-south teams, CB.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>>58730

The main concern should be increased visibility, profitability and viewership of the league.

Contraction is just not the answer.

That said, subsidizing teams in Arizona isn't going to work.
>> Anonymous
>>58739
But doing so in Europe will? How is London going to give more of a shit about hockey than soccer than Arizona gives a shit about hockey than baseball or football? You cant base the entire long-term success of a franchise off of two novelty games.
>> Anonymous
>>58747

It's obvious that CB thinks that Bettman is actually doing a good job, he is the prototypical idiot hockey fan that Bettman wants.

God if only I could go back to 1992 before that asshole was made commissioner, and put a stop to it from ruining my league with his stupid novelty bullshit.
>> CapitalistBastard !!f/pELCnjRD0
>God if only I could go back to 1992

Sounds good.
>> Anonymous
>>58767
Better Canada-US team ratio, considerably fewer deep-south teams. That DOES sound way better. Hell, I'd even let the Pens keep their Cup victory under those kinds of conditions.
>> Anonymous
Well, it was the year they last won the cup, so yeah, you should go back and relive that, because it's never gonna happen again.

Hell, were you even alive back then, what with all the shit you talk about people's teams not winning a championship in their lifetime?

And no, being 2 does not count, since you had no fucking clue as to what was going on.
>> Anonymous
>>58106

I win.
>> Anonymous
While I love the idea, and agree with the sentiment that the Wings are douchebags, I don't see it happening... I'll keep my fingers crossed for the Preds tho
>> Anonymous
>>59000I win.
winGET?
>> Anonymous
>>59002
Aw come on, Yzerman handing the Stanley Cup to Konstantinov on-ice earns them something.
>> Anonymous
>The main concern should be increased visibility, profitability and viewership of the league

And, thus, the tripfag proves he has no use for dignity.

On that note, fuck Carolina for putting cheerleaders in the arenas.
>> Anonymous
>>59009

And there's a plus!
>> UZ !kHzD4It5Tc
>>59002

I think we stopped talking about that in this thread long ago.
>> Anonymous
>>59010
but yzerman doesn't play anymore ;[