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Why does everyone here like American football?

I don't want to come off as a troll, as that is not my intent. However I can not understand how a game is considered 'tough' in America when they wear shoulderpads and a stackhat. If anyone wears shoulderpads in Rugby over here (and there is a 1cm maximum thickness to padding), they're the first to get smashed into the ground.

And what's with the wild celebrations after they make A SINGLE TACKLE?

Pic related.
>> Anonymous
You were born there, we were born here.
>> Anonymous
In America you can be tough without risking death
>> Anonymous
if NFL players played against Rubgy players im sure some Rugby player would be dead before the game ends.
>> Anonymous
commissions in rugby are hard but in football people still become permanently injured or die with the pads, without them no ones career would last pass college. helmets have actually caused additional rules to be made to prevent them from being used as weapons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wL-4aYmMGk&feature=related
>> Anonymous
>>321840
>>collisions
>> Anonymous
>>321820
The thing about the rugby/American football debate is that Rugby is designed so that there is much less contact during a game.

Discounting instances like scrums, there really isn't an instance where the rules force you to line up directly across from the guy about to pile drive you into the ground with all its weight. Sure it happens, just not every single play like in American football.
>> Anonymous
this is why

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDT9B-gcdsA&feature=related
>> Anonymous
>>321843
any more links like this?
>> Anonymous
Why do you Rugbyfags always have to bring up toughness? Are you faggots that insecure?

I personally enjoy football for the strategy it often presents. I don't have to enjoy sports where HURR DURR HITTING IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS HUURRRR
>> Anonymous
>>321842

I don't believe the whole 'tackles are harder' argument though. In Rugby you want to tackle a player and then retrieve the ball, in American football you want to just knock the other player over.

I watched a bit of a game this morning since we are getting some American football on FTA here in Aus now (4am in the morning of course) and the 'big' hits seemed to be from blindsides, and launching their body with practically no technique to the actual tackle.

I reckon if the players learnt how to tackle & take a tackle they wouldn't need the padding or helmets.

>there really isn't an instance where the rules force you to line up directly across from the guy about to pile drive you into the ground with all its weight

That is nearly every phase in and around the tight five/ruck area.
>> Anonymous
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rugby guys r tougher i guess, but they are also stupider since they for their male-on-male action sans pads, and most interestingly, sans real paychecks.

So, do the math, rugbyfag is the butchest homo evar. good for them. no rly.
>> Anonymous
>>321859

No one brought up toughness that I can see. I'm talking more about the technical skillset side of both games.

I don't LOVE American football because it is a bit prissy to me, but that's because I grew up with Rugby. Although the strategy side of it is growing on me. But what pisses me off again is how the game seems to be designed around commercial breaks for some reason.

And surely you could atleast admit American football would be more 'interesting' if you had 1 team per side rather than 3?
>> Anonymous
I would say that with pads you aren't afraid to go all out and kill the guy, which you could in rugby. I would also say football has more specilized positions that maximize certain attributes. Speed for running backs, strength for linemen, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>321872

> And surely you could atleast admit American football would be more 'interesting' if you had 1 team per side rather than 3?

I think this would hurt the quality of play. I wouldn't want to see Brett Favre or Tom Brady try to tackle someone.
>> Anonymous
because rugby players dont tackle anywhere near as hard as american football players and most of the awesome tackles made in gridiron are illegal moves in rugby. and no im not an american im a new zealander so im not just talking shit.

youre a fucking retard.
>> Anonymous
>>321862
> In Rugby you want to tackle a player and then retrieve the ball

Same goes for gridiron, if you can cause a fumble/retrieve one you're going to be a hero. Honestly I think gridiron just presents more strategy and is more media friendly.
>> Anonymous
>>321873

That was something else I noticed awhile ago. On ESPN some bloke saying a team (I believe it was the KC Chiefs) had the fastest players in world football.

That seemed a bit strange since South Afrikaa & New Zealand both had a back three that could run 100m in under 31 seconds combined per team. But I assumed that 'in the world' was in the same vein as 'world series' ;)

Rugby has the same specialistion for positions. Frontrowers are the fatties, locks need to be atleast 200cm, and the back three (wingers & fullback) need to be able to run 100m in under 11seconds. The difference though is that they need to be able to tackle, kick, pass, offload in the tackle, have a good workrate in the ruck etc etc.

It's a bit like how Baseball is a more specialised/dumbed down (and I mean no offense) version of Cricket.
>> Anonymous
>>321877

The only thing comparable is the shoulder charge, but that is legal in Rugby League.

Anyway as someone else has already said, I doubt they'd do the shoulder charge 'spear' tackle if they had no padding on the shoulders. You'd break your collar bone.

Pretty dumb for a kiwi mate, so I take it you're a Cantabrian.
>> Anonymous
I've always wondered what would happen if a mix of NFL players were picked to participate in a rugby match. Like different players from positions such as running back, tight end, linebacker, etc.

Is it unreasonable to think that after a month or two of practice, the NFL players could compete with a team like the Crusaders?
>> Anonymous
>>321895

They would be mauled (litterally) by the Crusaders, since they rely on turnover ball and field position.

However after 3~ months of training I think they would be able to compete with the middle-ground NPC & Currie Cup sides.

Tasman VS an American football team would be interesting to watch!
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SoDPFhT-u8

This is why there is pads and helmets. Try that in rugby, and it'd be far worse then a spinal injury.

Remember - in rugby you're not running full steam into another guy. On defense, you're just looking to tackle and bring him down - something that you cannot do in the NFL most times since guys are just too strong for arm tackles all the time.

Same with Hockey - they wear gear so when they smash each other, they don't come away with broken bones or worse. That and to stop 125mph pucks flying around.

In American Football - it's about two things. Toughness, and injuries, and they go hand in hand. Especially true for the Patriots, Colts, Chargers, and Titans today.
>> Anonymous
>>321862
Another one of these threads? I notice that it's always the aussies that bring this debate up every 2-3 weeks.

>I don't believe the whole 'tackles are harder' argument though.
They're only considered harder because of the overall athletic size and speed defensemen can produce, for example Brian Urlacher and Bob Sanders. Linebackers average about 230-250 lbs, secondary averaging about 190-200 lbs or so. Or you get those big fucker safeties like roy williams who don't know shit about defense except hit as hard as you can, really pisses me off sometimes.

>In Rugby you want to tackle a player and then retrieve the ball, in American football you want to just knock the other player over.
It's pretty much the same here, with exceptions. First thing coaches teach players on offense is ball protection. All the time defenders will try and strip the ball, but the main focus is to stop the player from making forward progress. Fumbles, interceptions and other turnovers just come as a big time bonus, and just gives a big confidence boost for the whole team.

>the 'big' hits seemed to be from blindsides, and launching their body with practically no technique to the actual tackle.
You don't need much technique with timely big hits. Big hits are much different from actual tackling. If a defender is timing his hit against a WR as the ball travels towards the two, 9/10 times the receiver will not be able to hold onto the catch, unless you're
>1. Randy Moss

>I reckon if the players learnt how to tackle & take a tackle they wouldn't need the padding or helmets.
Professional players know how to tackle, it's just a different style for different situations than rugby. The only team that doesn't know how to tackle at all are my Lions.
>> Anonymous
>>321914

> Or you get those big fucker safeties like roy williams who don't know shit about defense except hit as hard as you can, really pisses me off sometimes.

What pisses me off even more is that that hack keeps making the Pro Bowl
>> Anonymous
I can only speak for myself and why I like football.

1. Tradition: Oddly not my dad or mom, but my uncle was always a big football fan, specifically a Giants fan. I have lots of memories of football sundays at my Uncle's house, he and his navy buddies being loud around the tv, playing with my cousin out in the yard and that kind of thing, good memories.

2. Playing football: I always used to play football with friends, in the shoolyard, in the backyard, at the park, whatever. I never played for an organized team, but I still enjoy tossing the ball around with friends even if we aren't playing in an organized fashion.

Really there is no, this game is better than this game blah blah, that kind of argument always reduces down to opinionated bullshit.
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>> Anonymous
>>321929
rrage

stupid frenchies, why would you even make an ad like that
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>> Anonymous
>Really there is no, this game is better than this game blah blah, that kind of argument always reduces down to opinionated bullshit.

I understand what you're getting at. I'll always think Rugby is better than every other footy code, but I'm TRYING to get into American football. It's stupid though how the main thing that pisses me off about it isn't the actual game, it's the bloody ads!

Here in Aus you get paytv which means uninterupted sport except for the half/qtr breaks. Is there anything similar like that for you lot? Worst thing is that international paytv channels aren't allowed to show ads so we get the same SportsCenter promo or MLS highlights every 30seconds!
>> Anonymous
>>321947
You are correct. Like everything else in America, Football is extremely commercialized. You get used to it. Actually, once you figure out how to use this time wisely, it makes the game better.
>> Anonymous
>>321947
Yeah, I can understand your resentment towards the ads. I wish both college and NFL football would start the 40-second clock after every kick and punt return.

But, I guess with a 55 man roster, plus coaches and other employees, teams are interested in any means of revenue offered.
>> Anonymous
soccer is the best. American "football" is suck.
>> Anonymous
>>321947
yes it's way too commercialized over here, and that shit gets so popular for some reason. Whenever the Superbowl is near, you always hear from people "I can't wait till the superbowl so I can see the new funny commercials, especially from Bud Light!" it's fuckin retarded.
>> Anonymous
we were actually doin good till you showed up
>> Anonymous
Britfag here, I watched the superbowl and thought it was quite a good game although there was way to much stopping and starting makes the game so slow paced (which is ironic as once the game is on it's very fast paced). And the whole 3 teams thing seems like more bullshit to me to have another opportunity to throw in some more ads when they change
>> Anonymous
>>321960
It always stops because after the play is dead, it's back to the drawings boards upstairs to strategize the next play. You watch a Colts game and Peyton Manning makes it worse for everybody, using ALL the time he can until the play clock hits 1 till he hikes it. very boring sometimes.
>> Anonymous
>>321961
to add on, he uses all the time he can because before a play, he has about 3-4 plays in his head already other than the one called, which the team gives him freedom to analyze the defense and what he thinks is being used against his offense, and he audibles and adjusts his receivers/backs/line accordingly to counter.
>> Anonymous
>>321960
It would seem like that, but it has been done on the highschool and collegec level for quite some time. Given, it is more common to see athletes play both sides of the ball there, but that is more do to the lower relative caliber of talent those teams have.
>> Anonymous
>>321960
i'm not trolling, but i think i just came up with a good analogy

american football is like a fuckload of foul and corner kicks. everything pauses before something else happens. if you only had to watch soccer for the set plays, it would have more commercials
>> Anonymous
>>321967

That is something that I think is lacking in American football. One of the greatest parts of Rugby is 'broken play'. No set piece, no set defence. You just run with the ball. I guess the closest in American football would be after a fumble, but not the kicks since they are more like a set piece.
>> Anonymous
>>321820
padding is EXTREMELY necessary, there is injuries all the time even in padding

100 years ago, during college football, about 95-150 students would die every year just from football, so it's extremely necessary

also, who are the guys in the picture? I seriously forgot their names
>> SFU2236
Because in Football, strategy > strength.

So, while your fagby players are waiving each others dicks around and sword fighting, our football players are thinking how to flank, and then promptly anally rape the fagby players.

Tackles typically end the opponents strategic move, also known as a pass.

If strength/brutal fighting was the only way to be manly, we'd still have some form of gladiators today. OH SHI-
>> Anonymous
>>321839


EERRRR. US have a rugby team
but they lost to France. what a pussy.
>> Anonymous
>also, who are the guys in the picture? I seriously forgot their names

Penn & Teller
>> Anonymous
You seem to be forgetting that in Rugby, you get six tackles to make it from one end to the other and the game doesn't stop until someone cocks up. Players have to quickly run back to their positions after every tackle, leaving openings and cracks in the defences to exploit. It's not practical to be tackled all the time, the idea is to dodge and breakthrough.

In American Football, you have four tackles to make it ten yards. Even if you make a two yard gain by blasting through the frontline, you've still made a gain. Everyone then gets time to get into their positions and pick their player, their play and get going.

You do get hit harder in American Football, hence the pads. However theres still some motherfuckers of tackles in Rugby.
>> Anonymous
>>322004

That's Rugby League. We're talking about Rugby, aka Rugby Union.
>> Anon
Its just America again with its gay sports
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>>322024
these threads are the cancer that is killing /sp/

cats are the chemo

post some cats, it is the only way
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>> Anonymous
>>321999
ty, I hate forgetting useless info
>> Anonymous
>>322036
>>322047
You know, /sp/ didn't have those stupid ass cat posts until the olympics. These kind of threads have been in /sp/ since it first opened way back when.
>> Anonymous
>>321881

>It's a bit like how Baseball is a more specialised/dumbed down (and I mean no offense) version of Cricket.

..........
1) FOR ONE NEITHER IS A VERSION OF THE ANOTHER, THEY BOTH EVOLVED FROM A GAME IRISH KIDS PLAY ON BEACHES

2) CRICKET ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING THE DEPTH OF BASEBALL. ONE PITCHER HAS MORE TECHNIQUE AND SKILL THAN AN ENTIRE CRICKET TEAM.

3) OVER HERE ONLY BLACK PEOPLE PLAY CRICKET WHILE THERE ARE VERY FEW BLACK BASEBALL PLAYERS THESE DAYS, IF BLACKS CAN DO IT ANYONE CAN
>> Anonymous
We don't ask why ruggers wear German fetish clothing for uniforms (tight sleeveless shirts and short shorts?), don't ask why offensive tackles wear armor.
>> Anonymous
Our teams pay good money for the negros, we don't want those things to break after 10 uses.

Plus forcing them to fight without padding would get PETA on our asses
>> Anonymous
>>321820
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PqPKRnb2s_s
>> Anonymous
>>322108

Isn't it the American football players who wear the spandex?
>> Anonymous
saged, reported, hidden
>> Anonymous
>>321820
>I can not understand how a game is considered 'tough' in America when they wear shoulderpads and a stackhat

I don't think 'toughness' is the major concern in the wearing of pads. Football was played for many years without or with very little padding. Serious injuries and even death weren't uncommon then. Pads were added for the safety and to preserve the future of the sport.

In short, American football wouldn't exist without pads. Everyone would be too damn hurt to play.
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>> Anonymous
Rugby is still played in the America you know.
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