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warcraft 3 peon Anonymous
http://rapidshare.com/files/45989105/peon_001.bmp.html
>> sage Anonymous
did it come out ok?
>> sage sage
sage
>> ....... Anonymous
any input /po/?
>> sage sage
>>68768

says it all really
>> Anonymous
might try it once im done putting together bomberman
>> Anonymous
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It could still use a lot of work so it would be a better papercraft.
If you don't take control and let Pepakura do all the thinking, it will try to keep the parts together as much as possible. But that is usually a bad thing: it makes the model very difficult to build.
If you break it down in more, easier to build parts it will be... easier to build.
Btw, /po/ doesn't allow bmp files to be uploaded, but if you convert it to jpeg you can just upload it here instead of having to use RapidShare.
Keep it up!
>> Anonymous
>>68928
thanks for the input! im still working on several warcraft 3 models so i will post them when they are done. Also, I will take your advice and break them down more.
>> Anonymous
>>68939
I like that model. But please don't share a lowres bmp next time... Make a vector pdf file instead!
>> Anonymous
>>68949
To print on an A4 size paper, you have to print it at 33% - so it's actually already 3 times bigger than it needs to be...
Don't forget you need to PRINT it - on A4/US Letter paper. There's no need for templates to be poster size.
>> Anonymous
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>>68951
>There's no need for templates to be poster size.
YES there is. For example, this is one of the pages for the battlecruiser. I built this one, but it was too pixelated for my taste, and it's even a higher res than your picture. Create a vector pdf, shouldn't be a problem, that will fix all problems.
>> Anonymous
>>69060
>There's no need for templates to be poster size.
NO there isn't. Templates should be A4/US Letter size. Period.
The pixels from your example isn't because it's A4 size, it's because it looks like it's made in MS Paint...
>> Anonymous
>>69338
Alright: Go to photoshop, create a new file and choose "A4" for an empty A4 size picture. Then save it somewhere on your HD. And you will see: The resolution is 2480*3508 pixels!
>> Anonymous
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>>69346
Actually, you can control this by choosing a resolution...
For instance, if you choose a resolution of 300 pixels/inch, it will come out 2480x3508, but if you input 150 pixels/inch it will come out 1240x1754.
Now you can choose a resolution of 1200 to make a very crisp template with a lot of detail, but then you're gonna print it to an A4 paper, and all of that detail is gonna be lost anyway...
A high resolution is only useful if you want to print a poster like on A0 size. Then you NEED a high resoltion because every detail will be seen.
For printing a template on an A4 cardstock, you don't need high resolution. Pepakura works with 72 DPI... (dots per inch is different from pixels per inch, but you get the picture). 300 DPI is more than enough for papercraft, many designers use 150 DPI and it turns out fine.
>> Anonymous
>>69349
A4 = 8.26 inch wide by 11.69 inch heigh

Resolution 150 pixels/inch: 8.26 x 150 = 1240 pixels wide by 11.69 x 150 = 1754 pixels heigh
Filesize (empty, maximum jpeg quality): 580 kB

Resolution 300 pixels/inch: 8.26 x 300 = 2480 pixels wide by 11.69 x 300 = 3508 pixels heigh
Filesize (empty, maximum jpeg quality): 150 kB

So by doubling the resolution, the file size almost goes up 4 times (2^2, since we're talking about surface area: double width and double height). It's not exactly 4 times because of jpeg compression algorithms and of course by choosing a lesser quality jpeg (which is fine for papercraft, you don't need the best of the best of the best, since again, your printer won't care: it can only print as good as it mechanically can...) the filesize will be different, but a lower resolution for the same image always means a smaller filesize.

And in the end, because you're printing it small anyway, you don't really gain from it having a file that's four time as large in size. That's the people that upload over a meg jpegs as papercraft templates: so pointless...
>> Anonymous
>>69349
If you change the resolution of 300 to any other value, the "A4" setting will be lost, it will change to custom...

Here, read this:
http://www.scantips.com/basics3b.html

And in case you don't find the important sentence:
>This is why we need a 1200 dpi printer (ink dots) to print an image at 250 dpi (pixels).

You want more? Google for "72 dpi" oder "72 ppi" and find out where this really comes from.
>> Anonymous
>>69353
read the fucking thread before complaining:
I said I wanted a vector pdf file, so at least the lines are vector based.
And I recommend PNGs instead of JPEGs.

Hell, who cares for filesize anymore? This is 2007.
>> Anonymous
>>69354If you change the resolution of 300 to any other value, the "A4" setting will be lost, it will change to custom...
No it won't?!?!?
Did you not see how I changed it from 300 to 150 in the image I attached in>>69349?
The A4 part is about the physical 297x210 mm dimensions of the paper, this will not magically change when you change the resolution.
Resolution works as described in>>69353.
>> Anonymous
>>69355
Pls delete your>>69354post, because it's bullshit.
Ty.
>> Anonymous
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>>69356
>No it won't?!?!?
Well, my photoshop 9 CS2 does.

>The A4 part is about the physical 297x210 mm dimensions of the paper, this will not magically change when you change the resolution.
Of course it won't.

>Resolution works as described in>>69353.
No it wasn't. The part you don't get: Printers DO NOT only make 72 dpi! They do a lot more!
>> Anonymous
>>69355I said I wanted a vector pdf file, so at least the lines are vector based.
Vector based stuff won't loose any quality when you want to enlarge it. If you enlarge a raster image (like jpeg or bmp), you'll get bad results...
So great for enlarging! So I'm guessing you want to enlarge it?
Because otherwise, if someone makes an raster image that needs to be printed on an A4 size paper and it looks perfect on that A4 size paper, why would it be better as an vector image if it doesn't need to be enlarged?
Vector stuff is great for if you want to change it; if you want to change it (sizewise, vector stuff is THE BEST WAY to go). If not, then it's not necessary I think.
>> Anonymous
>>69357
Your mom is bullshit and I don't rape her to death.

So anyway, why aren't just fucking saving it as a vector pdf? Where is the fucking problem?
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>>69359
Vector stuff is great if any kind of size change will happen, even downsizing works great, and during the picture-printer-process there WILL be a change in size so a vector lines will always come out as they should be. Like this quake guy here.
>> Anonymous
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>>69358
>Well, my photoshop 9 CS2 does.
Well it shouldn't. Try changing the custom to A4 again. Dunno what's wrong there, maybe someone else knows.

>Of course it won't.
But that IS what you said. ;)

>No it wasn't. The part you don't get: Printers DO NOT only make 72 dpi! They do a lot more!
I do get that lol, of course they do, I never said that they only printed at 72 DPI... What I said was that Pepakura exports as 72 pixels per inch (see pic; width and height depends on what you're making, scale and so on).

What I mean is that with the normal printers most people have it doesn't matter if you print a 300 DPI A4 image, or a super detailed 2000 DPI A4 image: they'll both basically come out looking the same, since much/all of the extra detail of the 2000 DPI image will be lost because the 2000 DPI will be squashed together on such a small physical surface area of teh same A4 paper that the human eye won't distinguish there's 2000 dots per inch or 300 dots.
>> Anonymous
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>>69363
>Try changing the custom to A4 again.
I did. The A4 preset always comes with 300 pixels/inch

>But that IS what you said. ;)
Sorry, I just meant if won't use the preset any longer.

>What I said was that Pepakura exports as 72 pixels per inch (see pic; width and height depends on what you're making, scale and so on).
Or it exports vector lines. Perhaps the picture pixels will still be reduces to 72ppi, I don't know, but I care about the cutting lines.

Oh, and I'm sure my eye WILL be able to see that the "/po/orboy" in your original picture looks like crap because of the downsizing even on the printed page.
>> Anonymous
>>69360Your mom is bullshit and I don't rape her to death.
What my mom does is her business. She's old enough to make her own decisions.

>>69360So anyway, why aren't just fucking saving it as a vector pdf? Where is the fucking problem?
The problem is most people don't know how to save as a vector image. PDO files are basically vector images, but how to export them to a vector image? Obviously not as bmp or jpg, and just your average print to pdf doesn't maintain the vector properties either...
Let alone if someone has to make a vector papercraft from scratch... It's much harder to make a vector image than it is to make a raster image, since everything basically needs to be composed of scalable shapes, rather than you can just draw something (anybody who knows something about vector images and raster images will hopefully know what I mean, it's hard to explain in words...)

BTW: is>>69362really a vector image..?
>> Anonymous
>The problem is most people don't know how to save as a vector image. PDO files are basically vector images, but how to export them to a vector image? Obviously not as bmp or jpg, and just your average print to pdf doesn't maintain the vector properties either...
Yes it does. I made that myself. I use the pdf creator from http://www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator/ and clicked on "vector" in pepakura and it worked just fine.

>Let alone if someone has to make a vector papercraft from scratch...
Pepakura does all the work.

>BTW: is>>69362really a vector image..?
It is, at least the black lines. Zoom in and you will see.
>> Anonymous
>>69366
I take your word for it. ;) I use a different pdf printer but I zoomed in and it does indeed look like the lines are vector based so you must be telling the truth about pdfforge being able to "print" vector based from Pepakura. ;)
Maybe /po/orboy (it's the name of the guy that made it, the papercraft is a Peon) will follow your advice and make a vector based pdf next time, although I stand by my point it won't make much of difference once you've built it...
I can't help you with your custom paper size photoshop problem; all I can say is it shouldn't that. But if you can't fix it (maybe someone else can help you /po/??) it's not that much of a problem: 300 DPI is fine for whatever you want to make on A4.
maybe if you use the custom size and then manually set the sizes to something like 296x209 mm? As in just short of A4 so it won't switch automatically to 300 DPI a4?
>> Anonymous
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>>69368
It works. Here, the simple Icon Of Sin from DoomII I made myself.

>Maybe /po/orboy will follow your advice and make a vector based pdf next time
I hope so, I only see advantages here.

>I can't help you with your custom paper size photoshop problem
Actually that isn't a problem, I just wanted to show that 72 ppi is not enough...
>> Anonymous
>>69369
Well, opinions range...
For the designers, not everybody wants to download yet another extra software just to satisfy someone else... And as for the builders, most people like simple jpeg templates because they can "work" with them more easily than with a pdf (scale it up/down, fix things and so on). Which is quite ironic actually, since I agree, if you want to scale it, you're much better off with a vector based image...

Releasing it as the PDO itself would be a great solution, were it not that there isn't a MAC version.

As for you wanting to show that 72 DPI isn't enough, I don't see how you wanted to do that by having me save an empty A4 jpeg image, but that's probably just me lol
But hey, if it's not a problem for you then it's not a problem right? ;)
>> Anonymous
>>69366Pepakura does all the work.
I know it's not what you mean (you're talking about vectorizing the lines) but too many people think Pepakura does do all the work, which is why there are so many crappy templates out there lately... |-((
>> Anonymous
>>69371
>For the designers, not everybody wants to download yet another extra software just to satisfy someone else
Aren't a pdf maker program and a pdf reader something that every modern PC should have?

>And as for the builders, most people like simple jpeg templates because they can "work" with them more easily than with a pdf
Usually only the creator makes the model and everybody else just gets the finished pdf.

>Releasing it as the PDO itself would be a great solution, were it not that there isn't a MAC version
Sorry, I don't like macfags.

>As for you wanting to show that 72 DPI isn't enough, I don't see how you wanted to do that by having me save an empty A4 jpeg image
The idea was just that Photoshop says that 300ppi are a good choice for an A4 image and that results in a huge resolution... Well, just forget it.

>but too many people think Pepakura does do all the work
Yeah, true true :(
>> Anonymous
No they're not (stop assuming everybody wants the same extra software as you).
You been on /po/ much? Every time someone releases a template people ask could you change this/that? If the template is a jpg instead of pdf, they could do that themselves without having to have Photoshop (they don't, but they could).
Who does?
Don't trust a computer to tell you what's best. 300 DPI doesn't result in a huge resolution, there are much huger resolutions. 300 DPI is good enough.
Indeed.
>> Anonymous
>300 DPI doesn't result in a huge resolution, there are much huger resolutions. 300 DPI is good enough.
Well yeah, but 2480*3508 pixels IS in fact pretty large if you are not on /hr/.
526*706 is pretty small though.