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/po/ I need your help. I really need to know if there is some sort of instruction for this model. Even if it's a crease pattern, I need it.

I've seen this here before, but I don't remember if results were found. Please, /po/, if you expend any of your energy on the o part of /po/ let it be this, for the sake of all paperfolding lurkers here.
>> Anonymous
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OP here.

My search has led me to Origami USA convention '06. I found a pic of the model on display with a crease pattert on its display paper.

My question is this: Is that in the '06 convention book? And if so, is a rapidshit possible?

Pic related; has the crease pattern.
>> Anonymous
http://www.mit.edu/~jasonku/

Looks like thats the best pic of the CP you're gonna get. Try email Jason yourself and see if he's feeling nice? D:
>> Anonymous
Haha! I was JUST thinking about folding this.

I have the CP, but won't give away, because Jason is a friend of mine. It's a nice, fairly easy, traditional-style CP too. Getting from the base to the complete Nazgul is another story though. Last time I tried (from 6-inch foil) I failed.

>>69650

No, diagrams are not in the OUSA Convention Book, or anywhere as far as I know.

I do know that he started diagramming it though. And since that was well over a year ago, I'm sure he's finished them. (Unlike me, who has started so many sets of diagrams only to quit after page 2)
>> Anonymous
>>69699

;_;
>> Anonymous
>>69703

Sorry, that's how it has to be.

But yeah, try emailing him for the CP. He's a nice guy.
>> Anonymous
>>69699
well it has to be said
pics or it didn't happen.
>> Anonymous
>>69699
whether hes a nice guy or not please post it.
>> Anonymous
I want to make that origami so much ":[
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BUMP for this is so relavent to my interests. I want that model gentlemen.

Lets pull off the great hollywood heist to get it!
>> Anonymous
>>69770
Well, since I failed to make a good Nazgul, why would I take pics?

>>69792

Sorry. Just about anyone else's and I would do it.
>> Anonymous
>>69852
but we need to see that you tried or else you're lieing. That's just how it works.
>> Anonymous
>>69860

So you take pictures of your failed attempts? I usually chuck them.
>> Anonymous
>>69852
>>69699
>>69715
OP here. I tried a lot to get the crease pattern to work, including photo manipulation, but finally decided to e-mail him. If he does send it to me, would you object to me sharing it with others here? I don't want to do that if he would not want it, because I have designed a few of my own models, and know how it would feel if someone stole the design.
>> Anonymous
>>69905
it's only stealing if you take credit for it, otherwise it's sharing

and sharing is caring
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>>69905

Thank you for being so considerate. If he gives you the CP then it becomes your decision, . I personally would not spread it around, but it's really up to you now.

For being so appreciative and considerate I'll give you some aid.

Here are some helpful hints. I've drawn out the three main reference lines for the upper left half of the CP.

The top line is a kite fold from the top edge to the bottom-left/top-right diagonal.

Where that crease intersects the left edge is a horizontal crease.

And emanating from the same point is another 22.5 degree crease like the first, reflected over the horizontal line.

Knowing this information you should be able to piece the rest of the CP together. It's all standard 22.5 degree angles.

Good luck!
>> Anonymous
>>69914

God, I want so bad.

If anon manages to get the CP, I may ask for it too.. even though I hate CPs usually. >.>
>> tmots
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Here's a failed attempt at making the cp from the OP's pic. It's not amazing, and it's cropped because the image doesn't show it fully. Better than nothing, though, I suppose.
>> Anonymous
>>69938

Good job. It should be fairly easy to redraw it now. Remember, it's symmetric about the bottom-left/top-right diagonal, and all folds are 22.5/45/90 degrees.
>> Anonymous
Please post CP in /b/
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>> Anonymous
Bump. That spam is pissing me off.
>> Anonymous
>>70021
it's over now. don't make them mad or there will be more
>> Anonymous
>>70022

I mean, this belongs on the front page.
>> Anonymous
>>70023
I know that, but don't comment on it the bump is enough
>> Anonymous
>>69914
Thank you VERY MUCH. The reference points wre the last hurdle in making this work. I think I can go with what I have, the only problem is what is in the upper right corner. Unfortunately the photo prevents me from seeing that clearly.
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Glad my reference points helped.

Just found this. (Attached)

It's a better photo. (All I did was search Flickr for Jason Ku)
>> Anonymous
>>70127
Good work!
>> Anonymous
>>70127
Thanks for that. I managed to get all the creases, but the thing is a bitch to collapse! I don't work much with crease patterns, can you suggest a plan of attack? That bird base in the middle of the paper is really causing me trouble.
>> Anonymous
>>70194

Yeah, it's pretty difficult. I think I might try folding it again.

For that bird base, you might try looking at Hojyo Takashi Icarus or Maitreya diagrams, or I think John Montroll's 3 Headed Dragon has the same sort of thing. This is actually a fairly common thing in crease patterns. There are a couple ways to go about it. You can either try to collapse it straight into a bird base, or you can fold as in Montroll's dragon, and then attempt to unsink the flaps. OH! Robert Lang's Tarantula from Origami Insects II has the same thing in it.

When you collapse, you should probably start with that middle bird base.
>> Anonymous
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Here are some photos to help.

Just the top-right corner. I did that first because it had some really awkward creases such that you basically needed to fully collapse the region to get all the creases in.
>> Anonymous
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Close-up
>> Anonymous
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The complete base. Top view.
>> Anonymous
Bump
>> Anonymous
>>70317
>>70318
>>70319
>>70219
Thank you very much. These are a great help. Yeah, those creases in the corner are kinda hard to deal with. One more question: could you point out what points on the crease pattern equate to which parts of the completed model? I have an inkling of what goes where, but as I said, I have little experiece with crease patterns.
>> Anonymous
>>70691
Something else: I can't tell from the photos or the crese pattern: Does the wraith itself have fingers on its hands? Again, thank you for your help.
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>>70696

Here's a labeled CP.

About the hands--I believe that they do have five fingers. As you can see, that's not included in the CP, so you have to figure out how to add those yourself. It shouldn't be too hard though.
>> Anonymous
>>70800
Well, I can make fingers about six different ways, so that's not a problem. Thanks yet again, that was about what I thought those points were.
>> Anonymous
>>70803

Yeah, you discover when you try to fold it that you have to swing the rider's legs forward. But then you are unable to swing the really long flaps back, so you must use the ones below them.
>> Anonymous
>>70824
Thanks for that, I need all the help I can get. Do you have any other tips?
>> Anonymous
>>70858Do you have any more tips?

Yeah, on second thought, after finding this photo...

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=186522303&size=l

The long flaps become the rider's legs, not the horse's. And yes, he does have fingers.
>> Anonymous
All right, I'm finished. But it's 3 in the morning, so pics when I get up.
>> Anonymous
will someone make instructions for me ;_;
>> Anonymous
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Yo, /po/!

I worked hard with photo manipulation and enhancing the CP. Here's the final product. But remember that I might get B& for this if the mods find out I'm distributing CP. So download it before it's gone.
>> Anonymous
>>71029

Good job. A few of the creases could be straighter, but you have everything in the right place.
>> Anonymous
>>71029

over 9000+ hours in Paint
>> Anonymous
>>71111
wow. over more than 9000 hours... wait what?
>> Anonymous
>>71029
Cool, but...I already know that.
>> Anonymous
>>71187
know what?
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Pics as promised
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>> Anonymous
>>71273
you just made that from that single crease pattern?!
>> Anonymous
>>71278you just made that from that single crease pattern?!

Yep. Well, from the crease pattern that Jason sent me originally, but it's the same one. I have a LOT of experience with crease patterns--been doing them since 2002 I think.

If y'all need any help with crease patterns I can try to help. I'm even thinking about becoming unanonymous...
>> Anonymous
>>71281
Are there any special tricks or folds from the base to the actual model? I know about the fingers, but the rest looks pretty straight forward, except for the head, and maybe the riders legs.
>> Anonymous
>>71321
Head of the horse of course.
>> Anonymous
>>71321

Well, I had to improvise those two. The rider's leg flaps are way too long, so you have to hide a lot of it. You can also use some of the excess to make more pleats in the cloak, defined boots, etc.

The horse head was tough. I was able to do the neck, mane and ears with certainty, but there are so many different things you can do for the head.
>> Anonymous
>>71391
All right, it's obvious that for the neck you need to outside-reverse the flap. Now, if you look at the mane, you see that that excess paper gets used. So wrap the excess layers to the front. Now compare how far to the left the mane goes. You'll see that your flaps go about halfway across, but the mane only goes about 1/4. So reverse fold the mane flaps toward the back of the neck. The guideline for this fold is that you want the blunt corner near the top to touch the far right side of the neck. Make a swivel/reverse fold from this point down to the next point. This flap is the ear. Everything below is mane, every thing above is head. Just keep playing around until you get it.
>> Anonymous
>>71392
Also, when you freed the internal flaps to make the mane, free them all the way, including the smaller flaps included inside.
>> Anonymous
>>71391
>>71392
>>71393

okay, thanks. Yeah, the paper for the rider's legs looked like a bit daunting, being a lot bigger than that of the horse, and the head bit also looked like anything could be done for that, with that flap being the way it is.

Also, am I assuming correctly that you use paper the same color on both sides?