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lol, film. Pushrods !cjOUqz8Igg
Hay /p/.

Just have a question about some film. I needed some black and white film today, so I ran down to a store and got Kodak Professional BW400CN film. Pic related, hurr durr.

My question to you is: What will happen if I try to develop this in a black & white chemical lab? Where I do this, we only have stuff for black and white film, but the Kodak film I got says it uses C-41 processing. Will it kill the chemicals somehow if I try to process it in black and white ones, or will the film just die?

Love, from a /p/-learning /o/ fag.
>> Anonymous
Related question from a different poster: Since there's no color, is there any of the issues involved with some random lab doing C41 color film with this film?

>>139894
Most photographs I've seen on T-Max have had tones that just seem... I don't know what's the word for it, but skin tones especially seem off.
>> Anonymous
>>139904is there any of the issues involved with some random lab doing C41 color film with this film?
Many labs will refuse to process it even though it's specifically designed for C41 minilab processing because it says "black and white" and they're convinced it will break their machine.

>>139904I don't know what's the word for it, but skin tones especially seem off.
I don't know what you're looking for then. T-Max is about the most neutral black and white film on the market, though it's a little more contrasty than some.

>>139889What will happen if I try to develop this in a black & white chemical lab?
It will most likely not come out at all, or give unprintable negatives. Good luck finding processing times for it too. It also might ruin your chemistry.
>> Pushrods !cjOUqz8Igg
>>139910
Thanks for the info. If that's the case, I guess I'll just drop it off somewhere, and I'll have to find some place that sells black and white film for future reference, if I'm ever in a pinch.
>> Anonymous
>>139910
I don't know. Just compared to every B&W film I've seen, T-Max seems a little lifeless and makes skin look sort of flat-toned. I've seen a few people either work with that or make it not like that or whatever, but generally I just dislike T-Max's look.

As far as BW400CN, what I meant was that (if I understand correctly) the reason most people shoot slides for color is because the color comes out the same way every time, no matter who processes it, so long as they don't screw up, but that C41 would come out with a different white balance (to borrow a digital term) depending on how exactly the lab was set up. Am I somewhere close to right, or all confused on this?
>> Anonymous
If you shoot this, rate it at EI 200. That is, overexpose it by a stop. It helps with the contrast.

The reason the contrast sucks is black and white lives and dies by contrast, but all color negative film is inherently low contrast because of the orange mask on the base.

It can be processed in all C-41 labs.

Processing it in normal B/W will work, for varying values of "work." The film will still be orange-ish, though. Hard to say what you will get, it depends on the time and developer you use.

You can't print it in a darkroom. (well, not easily and not with good results. There used to be a paper called Panalure used for printing C-41 in a B/W darkroom, but it's discontinued.)

Ilford XP-2 Super is far better, plus you can print it in a B/W darkroom.
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
>>139925
I'm one of the few people I know who doesn't like TMax as well... Tri-X all the way.

BW400CN is just a convenience thing, for when you want to shoot B&W but you're too lazy or otherwise unable to develop true B&W film. It's okay, but not great. It's certainly not BAD in the way that many C41 films are.
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
Ah yes, XP-2. Far superior film. Shoot that, if you have to.
>> Lynx !!KY+lVSl0s2m
>>139910
C41 film in B&W chems gives you B&W negs tinted the shade of the emulsion, and requires excessive processing times.
>> cleophus !!6mDIES+M7SO
>>139933

While we're on the B/W cross-processing topic, processing B/W in C-41 is fail. The bleach basically undevelops the silver and the fixer dissolves it away. Film comes out clear.
>> Anonymous
>>139929
I dig Fomapan... Tri-X is good, too, but I just like the look of Fomapan better. Perhaps the best way of saying it is Hemingway is to Tri-X as Kerouac is to Fomapan. The former is more classically beautiful and poetic, the latter is more intimate and lively.
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>139933
i scan it as a colour neg (not as B&W) on my scanner. The tint is gone and looks like a normal B&W film, and on the plus side you can use the scanner's ICE.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>140036
what scanner do you have? I think i'm going to get one eventually, even if mostly for my parents slides (they have some wicked shots from the 80's)
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>140037
Nikon Super CoolScan 5000ED with SA-30 feeder.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>139894
Sounds to me like either you screwed up badly or the place you took it to get developed screwed up badly.
>> heman
i have that excact same film on my desk, was at some shitty camera store and grabbed with my poo cahnge, so i could try it out

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