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Serious question time /p/ - tl;dr at the bottom

Towards the end of last year I felt a little stagnant and signed up for a somewhat expensive night photography course. Since then I've been getting back out and enjoying what I do and getting good feedback from you guys as well :D

I'm a few weeks into this course and frankly, its the fucking pits. I do not think I am better than everyone there, I do not have better gear than everyone there BUT I am more technically proficient and do not need to spend 3 hours on a Monday learning about Aperture and Shutter speed (yes, they were capitalized).

I do not need to shoot wiht the following restrictions:

ISO 100
WB: Sunny
Av or Tv (No M allowed "because it isn't as fast")
No flash - available light only
No PS - lightroom or other RAW processing only
Centre Weighted Metering

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>> Anonymous
pic related, it is also fail
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
honestly, to me it sounds these classes are kind of killing your love for photography.

many greats out there are completely self taught.
try to look for courses which teach something more specific, specifically something you feel you lack.

does this help, OP?
>> anonymous
just do the fucking course. even if you know it all it is still good practice.

quit being such an arrogant fuck
>> Anonymous
>>121300
this helps
>>121304
this helps

i need a tie breaker - i just read the terms of the course: 10 weeks written notice, meaning I'd have to pay fees for another 10 weeks... heh - come and get your cash bitches.
>> Anonymous
>>121298

1. get fully manual film camera
2. get some bw film
3. tell them to gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>121305
just tell the instructor that you're more advanced than what they're teaching and you signed up for the course to actually learn something and to get out of stagnation. most instructors who are worthwhile will listen and accommodate you. if they don't then it isn't worth your time to continue with the course (or you could continue with it but take every opportunity possible to troll everyone there.)
>> Anonymous
This course is good because it teaches that PSing pix is for prix.
>> Anonymous
I was fucking around on my camera when I realized I didn't have any automodes on it.

Well, except P.

I can't see them spending 10 weeks talking about shutter speed for 3 hours a go. And if you have to give 10 weeks notice, then you might as well ride it out. Chances are your righteous indignation at having to cover technical aspects of photography first will fade as it becomes every other studio art class and you spend more time taking pictures and critiquing them.

I'm not sure I see the relevance is saying two people use manual focus. Or that some people use shutter priority or aperture priority. Most photographers (journos at least) use all three.

Sounds like you're stuck and you might as well make the best of what you got.
>> Anonymous
Looking at your reaction, this course sounds like a perfect course for you. You might actually LEARN something.
Technical knowledge is nothing, and unneeded. Manual is indeed a stupid idea for outdoor photography, because it just is not needed.
I'm sure there are better courses out there (Wut? Color pictures from the start?) but right now you sound like the egoistic average "I have technical knowledge lol" fags, that apparently know nothing about what photography is about.
>> Anonymous
Dump it. Spend those three hours shooting or looking over photo books.

Shooting CWA or spot is the best idea if you're shooting manual, but if you're shooting in an automatic mode, it's stupid not to use evaluative metering for almost everything.

Anyone who's slower in manual mode than in aperture priority or shutter priority either doesn't have enough experience with their camera's controls (assuming seperate aperture and shutter speed controls) or is too lazy to actually think about exposure as they're shooting. If anything, manual is faster, if only by a fraction of a second, because it doesn't need to process anything. It's not hard, once you learn to judge exposure by eye and know the intervals by which your camera does shutter speed, to just flick the shutter speed control when you step into more or less light, and keep it there until the light changes.

Not using any PP is just stupid; it takes at least some futzing with levels to get digital to look anything but flat. (This isn't an attack on digital; I shoot only digital, but digital files come out of the camera very flat.)

And sticking to one WB is stupid; why not make it exactly aesthetically right for each photograph?

And there's no need to stick to ISO 100 on a DSLR... obviously one should use the lowest ISO possible in any given situation, but it's nothing to worry about one bit on even an APS-C sized sensor.

Yeah, dump it. Course seems designed for people who just bought a DSLR and are trying to escape DeviantArt style.
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
>>121486
Truth.
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>121465

no no, this is truth. sort of.

a lot of people who think they're too good for photo 101 probably need to take it twice, just so the cosmic lessons it presents will sink in.

>>121486

this post, in my humble regard, is about 80% off. learning is about conquering one variable at a time. in this case, he's trying to make them understand the variable of light itself.

you stick to CWA because you learn that the bright thing in the middle is what your camera is reading. matrix (or evaluative) metering is too clandestine and mysterious.

you stick with daylight white balance so you see that shade is actually blue, tungsten is dull yellow, fluorescent is green, etc. this may seem obvious to you, but it's a big mental leap for most beginners.

you stick with iso 100 so you can see that inside really is much darker than outside. it's got nothing to do with noise. it's about eliminating variables.

and post-processing should always be an afterthought.

when i took photo 101, we had to shoot our first five rolls at 1/125 @ f/16 (iso 100, obviously). seems really basic and stupid to most, as it did to me at the time. but i learned more from those first five rolls than i did in the 6 or 7 years prior to that class.
>> Anonymous
>>121516
Understanding light is important, but:

1) Shooting manual will teach how light works much better. Shooting aperture priority, one never has to pay attention to the shutter speed, and won't notice, "Oh, hey, this sort of light is a stop less than that sort of light." To really learn how to judge light, everything needs to be done manually. Then it's just a matter of experience. Shooting in aperture priority, the one variable they are controlling is depth of field, not exposure. In shutter priority, it's motion blur, not exposure.
2) I'm never for using for using evaluative in manual mode, but it makes no sense to use something metering only part of the scene when your camera is picking the exposure. CWA could easily wind up too dark or too bright, spot will almost certainly end up too dark or too bright unless it's pointed at something approximately medium gray, like some light pavement.
3) White balance easily becomes apparent if one shoots in a variety of lighting conditions (different types of artificial light, high noon, sunset, etc.) processes his own raw files and pays attention to the numbers that come out.
4) How the file is to be processed has to be in mind at the time of exposure. One overexposes negative film and raw files (if possible) and pulls them, one exposes for exactly how one wants it to look with slide film and JPEGs, etc. Adams didn't call it "previsualization" for nothing.
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>121546

1) i agree. every student should shoot in M.
2) i partly agree. i still think cwa is easier to figure out than matrix, which is why so many nubs have trouble figuring out exposure. ideally, they should be using a spot meter or a handheld sekonic.
3) i disagree, for the reasons i stated before. it's about training your eye, if the camera (or adobe camera raw) adjusts everything for the user, it removes him two or three steps from the process. now, later on, when the photographer is more experienced, adjust your white balance manually is actually MORE involved than just setting it to daylight. but i stand by my opinion.
4) uh, okay. sure. i agree.
>> Anonymous
>>121305

If he's gotta pay for 10 weeks, he might as well attend the classes.

Hoser of a class to make you pay for a minimum of 10 weeks though.