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Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
Liska, need a bit of advice if you have any for me.
Model shoot this sunday, I have a pretty damn attractive model who has never done this before, (me either). (Black hair, light blue eyes, slightly tanned skin, shes skinny, breasts are probably 32C)

Anyway, its going to be outside, I figure I will mostly just rely on 50-85mm range with semi shallow DOF's. keep patterned unobtrusive backgrounds and rely on simple patterns (fences, brick walls, rail cars) you know model cliche shots.
planning to rely 99% on natural lighting, may use fill flash (Sb-800 on camera). Short side lit face. I let her choose the outfits, so i'm not sure what they will be.

That said, any tips? anything to avoid? Like no smiling, stuff like that?

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>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
Also, I used a D3 today, Viewfinder = godly, 24-70 = amazing.
Don't know how I could justify the extra $3000 over the D300 though..
>> Anonymous
>>167796
In-camera virtual horizon level.
>> Anonymous
ZOMG!!!!

help this guy!!!! same situation and im in desperate need of advise!!!
>> Anonymous
>>167762
No smiling? Sounds like a stupid rule to me. What would be good is to work on the photographer-model relationship. There should be a dynamic. It would make it a lot easier to take pictures. Telling a model how to pose and how to act isn't always the best way to do things. Sometimes the person wants more freedom and does things more autonomously. Also, props might help to open up more options.

If she does something that you don't like, you should outright tell her. But just keep in mind that you want to invoke a particular feeling. Unadulterated happiness or laughing is a fine affection to capture too. But some poses lend themselves to certain moods altogether. A sexy pose combined with an alluring smile would be much better than a deadpanned face. Just try not to give too many mixed signals.
>> Anonymous
As long as you make her feel comfortable, you will be able to capture her at a very natural state wether you want her smiling or not.
>> Macheath !8b4g0BkNZg
Man, when will I get MY "pretty damn attractive" models? I thought they came with the purchase of the camera... Must have lost the coupon or something.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
Ok good advice, lol I think I might need to just take it easy the first time then, no expectations no pressure (ideally)
>> Anonymous
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Like once I heard here before it is important to have a list of shots you wanna do. It's embarrissing to suddenly standing there with your model and have to ask her what you should do next.

If she thinks something would be to silly but you still wanna try it out just tell her "Come on, it's a great oppurtunity, if they turn out fine we have awesome pics and if not, I just delete them, alright?"

Well these aren't exactly photographers tips but just to make you both feel better: If your outside for a while, bring something to drink for the both of you (coke or whatever) so you might take a break and talk about the things you wanna do next.

Maybe a blanket to do some "picnic shots" in the grass or stuff, I dunno.

Also it might be a good idea to have the locations checked out beforehand. And goddamn, be confident! If people are around you both she surly will be embrassed to pose, but if YOU have confident and also show it with maybe climbing up a wall to get a different angle or stuff, she will trust you that you do know what you are doing and get along with it.

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>> pskaught
>>167871
for some reason i really like this picture.. I wish someone would re-make it as a photo-realistic oil painting.
I think its all the profiles and the buildings. I'm not sure, but there is something about it.


post a larger version please.
>> Anonymous
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>>167986
Really? Thanks! Too bad I wasn't standing in the middle of the street. The angle seems a little awkward.

Maybe I retake it sometime.

Also disregard the grammar mistakes in my first post, I was kind of tired...

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>> pskaught
>>167998
lol jk, it sucks.
>> pskaught
>>168025
that wasn't me. I'll be a tripfag next time I post.
>> Anonymous
>shes skinny, breasts are probably 32C

NUDE OUTDOOR PHOTOGRAPHY FTW
>> Depressed Cheesecake !wFh1Fw9wBU
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Use a reflector, if you can, to bounce fill light into her face ... an assistant to hold it will help too. Maybe a scrim, if you have one.

Shoot as much as possible. I would tell you to avoid cliche backgrounds like brick walls, but you seem to recognize they're cliche already, so don't get mad when it bites you in the ass.

Browse through a magazine to get some ideas, or just look through some photos on Flickr to see what you want to shoot and how you want to shoot it. Make sure the model looks natural ... a posed shot will look pathetic.

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>> Anonymous
>>168233
>Use a reflector, if you can, to bounce fill light into her face

Way to not take your own advice.
>> Anonymous
>>168243

Depressed Cheesecake loooooves vignetting and dark. That's his style. Shush you.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>168233
that girl?
>> Anonymous
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vignetting?
>> Depressed Cheesecake !wFh1Fw9wBU
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>>168243
Yeah, I don't have a reflector with me at all times. Here's one with, though.
>> Anonymous
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>>168233
a challenger appears

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>> Anonymous
Take the shit out of her face, let her get 8 hours sleep, and we'll talk.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>168233
Ya, Magazines seem hopeless though, too fashion oriented, not enough model oriented. Stuff Blender, Maxim are better but they usually relly on extensive lighting and sexually explicit poses,
browsing flickr / pbase to give myself an idea of what I want.
>> Anonymous
>>168264
Hey Vincent, somebody linked this guy's work here recently on a "link your favorite photostream" thread. I liked the lighting, found it interesting, and think you might like it as well. Give it a look!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elaisted

(also, you gotta sign in, it's mildly racy)
>> Anonymous
>>168256
I really like this picture.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>168268
Ya lots of good stuff in there, though 99% of it is artificially lit. Might have to use more fill flash to get similar style shots. Though I still think Short lighting is the way to go.
>> Anonymous
http://fiveprime.org/hivemind/Tags/portrait :D
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>167762
Just fyi, Liska's super, super busy right now, it's very hit-or-miss if she'll see this. I know she's been on a bit the last few days, but there are reasons she was gone for like a month.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
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>>168404

No worries. Im home and decided to pop in tonight!

>>167762
It depends on what you are going for. If she wants fashion or high fashion, then no, no smiling. For some odd reason everyone seems to require them to look serious. Since she;s a beginniner, and you are too, id suggest you two just go out and have a good time! You posted a few minutes ago, so im hoping you're still on. Where are you taking her to shoot? Is it all in the open? Wardrobe picked out? Did you give her any specifics?

(more coming in a sec in a different post, i have to run out to the car. I'll leave you a fox lady for good measure)

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>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>167762

OK, anyway, have her bring at least 4-5 different outfits, so you can look ahead of time and mix and match as needed.

Don't-

-Have the model face fully & flatly toward the camera, always make sure one foot is back, towards the side, out, or similar with her shoulder.

-Shoot standing up. Always shoot her on your knees, or at a lower level than she is. It may sound odd, but you'll actually notice she looks better in your picture when you see it on your screen. (as an example, i'm so trained on this that any pictures taken standing up just don't look right. I can't explain why, it just happened to turn out that way)

-Shoot during the horror hours of 12pm-1:30pm. Go out on lunch, go inside, go shopping, whatever, but light just SUCKS during this time. There's no way to get around it.

-Let a pole or something in the background look like it's coming out of her head in the background. Some things just can't be photoshopped out. The same goes for annoying plants that happen to make their way in front of the models feet, or get stuck in her hair.

-Look at the model, even if she looks great, and yell out "HOLY SHIT THATS FUCKIN HOT" (true story, not mine, but i've watched this happen). I can do this (and have) as a female, but as a male it makes girls freak out. Avoid if possible (not that you would in the first place).

-Let people stalk you to watch. Or take a picture of her while you're shooting. If you're in public, it WILL happen, and if she's good looking you'll have a lot of people staring. It'd make her uncomfortable so be sure to avoid that if you can, or address anything that will unnerve her.

(do's coming in a sec)
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>168411
Lol, perfect timing.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
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Don't- let the model turn into a turtle and pull her neck back. It looks funny.

DO- Ask her to keep her chin up and her neck extended. It flatters her much better :-)

I always like to tell everyone "chin up, arch your back, butt out, shoulders back". It seems to work pretty well.

DO goof off. Have a good time and let her smile/photograph her smiling. Unless she's 95-100lbs and 5'8" +, you don't have to worry about high fashion or runway shoots in her future.

I agree with the others about using a reflector or a fill flash, to make sure she is lit the best she can. I'm a dork and always forget to use mine, but if you can i'd recommend doing so.

I've also figured out that palm trees are natural light filters. They give a lovely soft light that i've fallen in love with. If you dont have any palm trees handy, then look around for cool backgrounds (see pic, background is the USS Midway downtown). I didn't expect it, but the light was bouncing off the metal and reflecting back onto her, which gave a fantastically beautiful soft lighting that really seemed to light her oh so well.

You don't necessarily have to stay with the cliche background shots, as long as SHE is the main focus of the picture and stands out.

Also fill the frame with her as much as you can. I know that's hard if you are doing full body shots, but it's still important to make sure that everything balances her out. If she's on the right, put her in the left, etc. If you can, try not to center her in the frame, just keep everything off center just a little bit. Sometimes it works though, as long as she's the center of attention. If you need to, shoot a little bit wider and crop down.

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>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
As you are looking through your camera viewfinder, never crop her anywhere at the joints. The top of her head, her wrists, elbows, knees, feet, anything. It always ends up looking extremely funny. Always try to crop between joints if you need to. Except to the top of the head is if you are doing a close of shot of her fantastic eyes, or something similiar to that. Then zoom in enough to make sure she's framed, but not scarily so.

Don't be afraid to get dirty, and bring a pair of jeans & shirt you've no problem getting wet, dirt covered, ripped, or anything in between. I've had every single possible thing happen so far, including sinking in up to my knees in wet sand. Bleg.

Do bring her props. If her eyes are as blue & beautiful as you say they are, see if you can nab some purple or white flowers for her to "peek out" from behind. They'll accentuate her eye color and look extremely pretty! I'm an eye gal. I love eyes and bringing out said eyes! Especially if they're blue. Keep a close eye (no pun intended) on them and see when they glow. There will at least one point during your shoot when they do, and go right in for some close up head shots.

Also tell her to move slightly each time she hears your camera shutter click shut. It doesn't have to be anything major, moving her eyes, her neck, her arm, her body, foot, leg, anything. Just make sure she moves and doesn't stay in the same place.

DO also give her direction, like say she's got her hand on her hip and it's so far back all you can see is her wrist, ask her to bring her hand forward. Take your time, don't shoot fast until she's settled into the next pose.

DO light her ahead of time. I normally don't say go off your screen-- but use it for at least a little bit of exposure compensation first, before you start shooting her. Test the light after it changes (it will, even if you're in the same spot) and recheck consistently.

Talk to her and make sure she's comfortable.
>> Anonymous
>>168414
>>168434
good advice on /p/? What's going on?
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
I also forgot to mention- don't touch or adjust her unless asking her first. Some models are OK with it, some aren't, so better safe and sorry.

That's all i can think of right now, aside from HAVE FUN and post them here when you're done -)

Never shoot anything while your camera is set on :white balance-auto: i'd recommend always staying in :shade: or :cloudy: . They tend to look better on screen.

Funny thing is, once you get them off the cam, processed and you go to upload them to her or anywhere, the color profile on the photos are going to be messed up by the internet. If you've got adobe photoshop, make sure to convert to color profile SRGB 167752" whatever. I think it's the only option thats there that sound similar to that. It will keep things the way they should be -)

Have a good time! let us know how it goes!
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
Oops and both AC & Elfman can attest to this one. NEVER LET YOUR MODEL WEAR AN EMPIRE WAIST. IT MAKES EVERYONE LOOK PREGNANT.
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>168449
I've seen a few that look good you know. Slimmer cut and usually less billowy materials. Not obvious about the seams. Just 90% of the time...
:P
>>168411
She from Monday?
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>168450

yeah isn't she cute?! :D
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>168468
Yep. Looks like an interesting shoot.
On a side note: fluffy ear hats are disturbing. THE CAT GIRLS ARE BREEDING RUN!!!GET IN THE CAR!!!
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
She's not a cat. She's a fox :-)

Oh, and we should stop threadjacking. I'm leaving to go to bed, anyway.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
Awesome advice is awesome
This is why I asked you for help :) You know your model stuff!

Thanks, greatadvice on the stance, posture and shoulders. Thats something I wouldn't have thought of at the time!