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LOL
>> Anonymous
I think Sony rivals Nikon in the "lets make our cameras look like toys and handle like shit" race.

Look at that fucking grip.
>> Anonymous
>>250885

true, but of course neither nikon or sony could come close to the grandmaster of this, being canon
>> Project !dashI8UpO.
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SILVER LENSES, FUCK YEAH

Black and white are so pedestrian. I actually wanted a silver bodied D80 rather than black. Bonus points if it came with a brown leather grip but oh well.
>> Project !dashI8UpO.
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>>250888
Actually, I'd rather have this.
>> Anonymous
>>250885
Classy canonfag who's never handled a Nikon. Proper Nikon cameras (read: no D40/60) handle ten times better than Canon.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
Weird. Only ISO3200 max (6400 with software pushing). I guess those MOAR MEGAPIXULS come at a cost.

Looking at the samples on dpreview, 3200 on the A900 looks about the same (maybe even worse) than 3200 on, say, an EOS 50D.
>> Anonymous
>>250894
As do Alphas.
>> Anonymous
>>250888
my Nikkor 70-300 is silver
>> Anonymous
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>Once again the sensor uses on-chip column A/D processing and once again there is a two stage noise reduction system - both before and after the A/D conversion.

Does this mean we have noise reduction in RAW files, AGAIN?
>> Anonymous
>>250901
I don't see anything weird, A900's sensor has the same pixel size as 10-12mp APS ones, so it should have comparable levels of per-pixel noise. Plus Sony currently has the worst-looking NR algorithm of all manufacturers.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>250912
Fair enough. Weird that they'd just shove more pixels on there rather than improving the noise characteristics, I suppose I should say. And really that's not that weird, since it's Sony, and they slap the MP count on the front of their DSLRs because it's obviously the most important feature.

Maybe weird isn't the word I'm looking for. How about 'dumb'?
>> Anonymous
>>250912
proof where ?
>> Anonymous
>>250915
>>250915
>Weird that they'd just shove more pixels on there rather than improving the noise characteristics
Well, everyone does that; looks like there isn't much to improve without changing the entire sensor technology. Plus, with 24MP, Sony now has something to trump ALL opponents, at least on paper. Though I wonder why they didn't do anything at all about their shitty software noise reduction since the A700 (do they really want to be bashed for it in every review like Panasonic was until recently?)
>> Anonymous
>>250919
proof of what? If you're talking about pixel size, just divide the sensor size by the number of pixels. If it's about noise, look at the samples - currently Sony is the only manufacturer whose cameras give red and blue blotches instead of more pleasant grain-like irregularity at high sensitivities.
>> Anonymous
Great if you want LOL MEGAPIXULS for cheap or love Sony, but no reason to buy it over a D700 for anyone else.
>> Anonymous
>>250922
Yup, I mean the noise. Thanks for the tip.
>> Anonymous
>>250943
Or if you got lots of Minolta stuff and don't want to buy everything again by switching for a new brand ...
>> Anonymous
>>250920
The problem with Sony NR is that it comes in the raw files on A700 and above; in-camera algorithims don't matter because JPG doesn't matter.

What pros do they expect to buy the A900 with ISO 6400 maximum push and NR in the raw files?
>> Anonymous
>>250950
I saw there's a "disable" NR option
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>250952
From the Luminous Landscape pre-production field report:
>The Sony specs also indicate a two step noise reduction system, one before a/d conversion and one after. This first step is not user controllable and I see very subtle smudging of fine detail which may be connected to this.
All aboard the failtrain, TOOT TOOT.
>> Anonymous
>>250952
A700 had the same menu, but without the "OFF" option. I hope this means Sony has done the homework.
>> Anonymous
>>250950
>What pros do they expect to buy the A900
They don't. Looking at Sony's marketing, the A900 is aimed mostly at rich amateurs; I guess studio photographers may like it too due to lots of megapixels, but they're not usually concerned about ISO 6400.
>> Anonymous
>>250967All aboard the failtrain, TOOT TOOT.

lol, what a fucking faggot

if Canon did it, you would be posting 5 page disserations about how great it is

faggot
>> Anonymous
>>250979
I'd like to see Canon do this just to watch the shitstorm. As for now, they've been too dull, leaving stupid experiments to everyone else.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
itt butthurt canonfags

not that i want an A900 due to its lolcost.
>> Anonymous
I, for one, look forward to ISO6400 and shooting hummingbirds in action on moonless nights.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>250979
>if Canon did it, you would be posting 5 page disserations about how great it is
Heh. Actually, I don't think it's *that* bad especially since you can at least turn the second-level noise reduction off, I just really wanted to say "All aboard the failtrain, TOOT TOOT" because it made me giggle to do so.

There are certainly some theoretical advantages to their pre-A/D noise reduction, but it seems that those advantages go away in practice. Loss of detail is a more serious issue to me than noise. And if you think that noise is a more serious issue than loss of detail, everyone else's practice of letting the photographer choose how much NR he or she wants works pretty well.

>>250985
>not that i want an A900 due to its lolcost.
I was a bit surprised with how cheap it is. It costs the same as the D700 with twice the resolution. Even if you factor in losing a bunch of that to noise and hamfisted noise reduction, that's still pretty good for people who really need all those pixels.

>>250989
>I, for one, look forward to ISO6400 and shooting hummingbirds in action on moonless nights.
Well, save yourself some cash and get a Nikon D300 or Canon EOS 50D. They both have the same ISO range.

Or for the same price, the D700 gives you *real* ISO6400, plus software pushing up to 25600. Which I actually would prefer to a shit-ton of extra pixels I don't need.
>> Anonymous
>>250884


so wait


we're making fun of sony now for actually making their grips ergonomic? i see.
>> Anonymous
>>250920
There is v.4 software for a700 which lets you turn off NR completely. Probably it was offspring from implementing this function in a900.
>> Anonymous
alpha owner here


i'm fucking pleased.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>251105

Lots of grain in the leaves, but overall not too bad for 3200.
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>>251107


that's with no NR.

also... delicious.

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>> Anonymous
I do really like the body design, probably the best looking DSLR out there, very classic, but the on sensor noise reduction is just stupid.
>> Anonymous
full preview


http://www.alphamountworld.com/previews/sony-a900-dslr-hands-on-preview
>> eagle
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i think i want to buy the 50 f1.4

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>250994
Even if it costs D700 price i'd still prefer an A700 + VG + shit than just an A900. No NR on an A700 with new firmware is even better.

Also if that other white lens is a 100-400, im so happy.
>> Anonymous
>>251120
70-400 G SSM confirmed by Sony .
They should release FW fix to A900 with NR option off.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251126
Hmm, its 4.5-5.6, i want a /4 minimum, oh well time to keep waiting. Its 100-300/4 sigma or 80-200/2.8 minolta at the moment.
>> Anonymous
LOL HOW DARE SONY CHANGE THE GRIP DESIGN USED BY ALL OTHER MANUFACTURERS LOL I'M GOING TO GO JERK OFF WITH MY CANON HAND STRAP
>> Anonymous
>>251135
Its 4-5.6 and well its designed to compete/give equivalnet to canons 100-400 L IS.
There is nikkor 200-400/4 VR but it`s huge and costs a fortune.
Sigma 100-300/4 is good idea, like on of few good lenses they made.
>> Einta !!MWv3ICYobCM
>>251179
>There is nikkor 200-400/4 VR but it`s huge and costs a fortune.

It's awesome. Best telephoto zoom I've ever used, by far. Unfortunately, it's $5500 CND.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251179
Canon's 100-400/4 is nice but i dont the 80-200/2.8 or 70-200/2.8 because i'm already low on reach at 300.

The Sigma looks great but GET BACK ON TOPIC
>> Anonymous
>>251202
Canon 100-400 is 4.5-5.6 not 4 all over.
On topic, Sony is building nice lineup. In like 3 years they have more than Pentax which is old photo company.
If they keep up this tempo in 3-5 years they can be as big player as C & N.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251216
Ah ok, nvm.

Their lineup shot looks so much more awesome now, back when the A100 was launched it just looked so stupid to see this single body with 20 lenses and all the works.
>> Einta !!MWv3ICYobCM
Actually, an interesting lens is Sigma's 120-300 2.8. It's sharp, great bokeh/build/focus.

Sorta too bad no IS, but if I was freezing motion it'd be an awesome lens to have.
>> Anonymous
did anyone notice we're talking about the FIRST FULL FRAME IN BODY STABILIZED camera?
think about a 1.4 lens, iso 3200 and 4 stop compensation, the night wuold be yours
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>>251237
>>251232


lolwut
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251232
yeah, but /2.8 at 300 is going to be $$$$$$ That and if i go from 110 ill need something between the 50~70 which i dont need with a 70+

>>251237
oh yeah, i had totally forgotten about that :3
>> Einta !!MWv3ICYobCM
>>251247
Eh, it retails for around $3k in Canada.

>>251237
Indeed awesome. Although I really don't see the need for stabilization on shorter lenses... If I'm shooting that slowly I'll get motion blur.
>> Anonymous
>>251254
But it`s nice to have it sometimes.
A700 was around 3 EV.
If A900 keep this or gets close to 4 EV , you get stabilization on any lens no matter if its 16mm or 300mm.
I think C and N will counter this with new lenses with IS, which will get more than 4 EV.
>> Anonymous
whether you're a canikon fag, a sony hater, or whatever else, how can you not be glad that sony is releasing the a900? It only means increased competition and quicker development of better FF cameras for all.
>> Anonymous
SUPER STEADY SHOT is great for when trees come flying onto hills at the speed of sourdough bread.

http://marque.zenfolio.com/p909379912/?photo=89152899
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251297
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUCK!
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251297
http://marque.zenfolio.com/p909379912/?photo=h05505D83#242625998

guy needs to stop using it >__>
>> Anonymous
>>250885
I don't personally use Sony DSLR's. But find their grip the best. Really reminds me of a firearms grip.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>251628
oh great, now A900 is BANNED IN CALIFORNIA!
>> Anonymous
>>251631
lol I get it. But yeah the ergonomics are like that of a pistol grip no doubt. Not that other cameras are not like that just the Sony's has those grooves that give it the tactical grip look and feel.
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>>251628
A900 has lots of Dynax 9 DNA, Minolta grips were always good.

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>> Anonymous
>>251640

that is the ugliest camera since the Nikon F.
>> Anonymous
if you are worried about how your camera *looks* versus the quality of the photos it takes then you need to pull your head out of your ass.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>251668
Sounds like *someone* owns a silver Rebel.

(Seriously, though, I agree with you)
>> Anonymous
>>251688

Those silver Rebels ARE fucking hideous. My Holga looks more like a real camera than those things.
>> Project !dashI8UpO.
>>251659
I think it looks fucking sexy. Like a camera from the 80's vision of the future. Not like the gay leather handbags we have now or the awesome metal back then.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
fuck, I dont know about anybody else, but Id gladly take a vertical grip like that. Looks way more comfortable than the big brick Ive got on the bottom of my camera ;_;
>> Anonymous
>>252176
Yeah, looks good to me. Seems like it'd have less trouble with the strap getting in the way, too, which is a problem on my D2. Other than the strap problem, though, I love the way the Nikon pro camera grips feel.
>> Anonymous
The image quality for the new Sony camera is very disappointing. That's pretty much killed it in my eyes.
>> Anonymous
>>252197
The JPEG output kinda sucks at high sensitivities, but since no third-party RAW converters support it yet, there's room for improvement (if NR can be indeed disabled completely)
>> Anonymous
>>252197
LOL@judging a camera from pre-production sample images.

Remember the d300's pre-prod samples? Yeah, the ones that made it seem like a huge step back for nikon? or the 1ds pre-prod images? the ones that made people question whether canon was heading in the right direction? remember those? i bet those shitty cameras never even managed to sell a dozen, M I RITE?
>> Anonymous
>>252260
Interesting.
Do you have a URL showing these pre-prod failures ?
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LOL HOTSHOE

also

LOL RANGE OF LENSES

Damn i'm articulate.