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Superia 400 Anonymous
What happens when you shoot some film at a different speed than what it's rated at?

I shot Superia 400 at 64 ISO hoping for some magic. Unfortunately, I got lots of purple and not much else.

Image is 64 ISO, 35mm @ f/5.6, don't remember shutter speed.
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>> sv !!vC9KZM3Ch/H
I kind of like it. But what are those vertical lines?
>> Anonymous
>>126932
Those lines would be the masts, I think.
I don't really sail. I was just shooting on the job.
>> sv !!vC9KZM3Ch/H
>>126935

Hilarious.

No, there are tiny, vertical lines overlaying the entire photo.
>> Anonymous
he means the lines on the picture not in the picture. Something to do with the quality of the shot.
>> Anonymous
>>126938
Those vertical lines were created by my high quality scanner at 300 dpi.
>> Liquefied !!CF1+3tSFCce
This is called pulling. Different films react in different ways but most of them will go purple or magenta. Pushing is the opposite - such as shooting Velvia 100 at 200 or 400. Just make sure you tell the people at the processing place that you push/pulled it x number of stops.
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>>126945
Because of time, money, and convenience, I develop at a CVS, which usually doesn't mess up my negative or prints.

When you pull, do you affect the apparent grain or do you just change the color tone of the image?

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>> Anonymous
>>126921
I think that pic is -apart from the lines from your scanner, apparently,- pretty neat. Like the contrast and autumn-feel it's got to it.
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I just the datachart for my superia, and it doesn't have anything resembling ISO response.

http://tinylink.com/?2OCLJ2XlI4

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>>126951
>I just checked the datachart.

Also, I have the opportunity to by some expired (2002-03) Fuji 400 NPH.

What kind of difference is this going to make to color rendition?
Also, I shoot film to practice metering as my xti doesn't have a real spot meter.

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>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
push/pulling is only when its developed to speed they where exposed at.
i.e. you push some ASA400 to 1600, a 2 stop push, but you also have to develop the film as if where ASA1600, not ASA400. Same applies to pulling.
If you expose the film at other than rated speeds and develop at their DX speed, you just over or under exposing, thats not pushing or pulling, and perhaps some colour shifting on some emulsions.

As some would know why now, i always over expose my Superia 400 by one stop, i set the ASA to 200 not 400, and i get it developed at its DX speed of ASA400. This in result gives me a brighter more punchy photo.
>> Liquefied !!CF1+3tSFCce
>>126947
Pulling should minimize grain but I'm not sure by how much. I usually only push because it does cool stuff with color on slide film.
>> Anonymous
>>126954
I don't understand.

If you meter at 400ISO for say,1/6 @ f/2.8, do you then set your camera to 200 ISO and take the shot?

Wouldn't you need twice as much light for the same exposure?
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>126962
if you meter a 400ASA film at 400ASA, you will get a 400ASA exposure. you need to meter AFTER you change the ASA setting, so set to 200ASA THEN meter and take photo (or you can just -1EV). It will be overexposed by 1 stop.
with colour print films, this can lead to more punchy image.
But this isn't pulling. If you want this pulled, you must also develop the film at 200ASA, not 400ASA.
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>126967
+1EV sorry!, this will make it overexpose by 1 stop. -1EV will underexpose.
>> Anonymous
>>126968
Thanks, will try tonight.

Now, what about the 400 NPH? ever used it?
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>126975
NPH was my staple film. i tend to use 400VC or just superia 400 now.
>> Anonymous
>>126979
why did you choose one type vs another? did you like how one rendered differently?
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>126991
NPH has a finer grain than superia 400, but colour rendition seems to be similar.
At my local store, they sell pro-packs of 400VC cheaper than 5 rolls of NPH and i like the 400VC colour better.
Also Superia 400 is dirt cheap and rather good.
>> Anonymous
>>126995
What do you think about buying expired film?
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>126996
if its cheap, go for it.
expired pro film almost has no differences because its (should of) been refrigerated.
>> Anonymous
>>126997
Thanks a lot. I learned tons today. I still feel that I have to at least better composition skills before I even think about spending for slide film.
>> Anonymous
>>126997
I don't usually shoot a whole roll at a time. Should I refrigerate my expired film between sessions, or can I just keep it in may camera for weeks on end?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>127698
1. You should shoot more. Go for a walk and don't head back until you've burned through a roll. It's a great exercise, in at least two meanings of the term.
2. Just leave it in your camera for weeks on end, assuming you're shooting 35mm. 35mm isn't really set up for being loaded and unloaded, so it would mean refrigerating your camera, which is a bad idea for various reasons.
>> Anonymous
>>127713
The film is 5-6 years expired, so I'm worried that even a week in the trunk of my car (in late winter) is going to speed up the deterioration.

I mostly shoot digital but I use film as "practice" because I don't have a spot meter, and I want to get used to using film more.
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>127863

if it's already expired, it's probably not going to get much more.. expired. and i don't know why you're being so careful with practically worthless film to begin with.
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>127698
just keep any unused/unopened/exposed films in the fridge. No matter how crappy or cheap it is, its just good practice. Dont worry about the film thats in your camera as long as you dont keep it in an oven or similar.