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Sony A700 vs. A350 Anonymous
Hi /p/, I was all set to buy the Sony DSLR-A700 but I read online that a new version came out recently called the A350.

The A350 has more resolution, 14 megapixels vs. 12 megapixels and live view on the movable LCD screen.

But worst is it's almost half the price of the A700? What gives?
>> Anonymous
Build quality, shutter speed, and ISO probably took it in the ass. Not sure though, might try looking it up. I can't take sony seriously anyway after i saw a rep play with the AF making the camera do 360's on the table.
>> Anonymous
The old Minolta 7 series were semi pro bodies.

The a700 is still the highend body for sony. The live views and 2 extra megapixels are almost worthless.
>> Anonymous
Someone repost those 100% crops of the A700. I don't think this camera does that folly.
>> Anonymous
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while we're at it, some a700 porn.

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>> Anonymous
>>139351
Ewww... you're into that stuff?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139304
A700 is a semi-pro body
A350 is a live view consumer body

If you dont know why the A700 is better you should probably be getting an A200/300 camera.
>> Anonymous
From what I've seen, A350 and A700 are pretty close in terms of noise. Those who used the A350 complain about the viewfinder - it's very small (think low-end 4/3 cameras) and placed a bit awkward.
>> Anonymous
>>139350

What does that mean?
>> Anonymous
>>139350
Here you go, reposting the entire set.

Everything for A200 and A700 converted via ACR with both noise reduction sliders set to 0 (so what you see is essentially noise reduction already applied to RAW by the camera)

A350 images are JPEGs straight from the camera, as ACR doesn't support it yet.
>> Anonymous
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A200, iso 400

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>> Anonymous
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A200, iso 800

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>> Anonymous
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A200, iso 1600

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>> Anonymous
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A200, iso 3200 (why do they even bother? it's not like any A100 owners complained about 1600 being the maximum)

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>> Anonymous
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A350, iso 400

Remember that these are 100% crops and A350 is 14MP, so it's unwise to compare this directly to noise on your usual 6-8MP cameras.

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>> Anonymous
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A350, iso 800

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>> Anonymous
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A350, iso 1600

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>> Anonymous
Can someone fix these in Noise Ninja or Neat Image and see if it's any better?
>> Anonymous
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A350, iso 3200

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>> Anonymous
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A700, iso 800

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>> Anonymous
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A700, iso 1600

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>> Anonymous
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A700, iso 3200

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>> Anonymous
>>139488
This is the worst problem with Sony's raws. Since the stupid in-camera NR already ruined the detail, Noise Ninja doesn't help much.
>> Anonymous
These look awful. My point and shoot does better at 800 ISO than the A700.
>> Anonymous
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>>139501
Not bad as it may look like. Still, "normal" RAW files from Nikon and Olympus retain more sharpness after NeatImage.

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>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>139304
I think the evidence in this thread suggests to look at canon or nikon. The image quality on these sony cameras is terrible.
>> Anonymous
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Olympus E-410 pushed to ISO 3200 for reference. Converted from RAW with all NR disabled.

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>> Anonymous
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Same at ISO 1600 without pushing.

Hair or fur + NR that can't be tweaked or disabled = ouch. I suppose those who often shoot people in bad lighting won't be happy with Sony.

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>> Anonymous
>>139514

This is why you get fast glass, so you can shoot at 200/400 and never have to worry about it.
>> Anonymous
>>139313

>I can't take sony seriously anyway after i saw a >rep play with the AF making the camera do 360's >on the table.


lolol
>> Anonymous
>>139526
Fast glass is no solution to a crappy camera body. Especially since sony is similarly priced to actually good camera bodies.
>> Anonymous
>>139526
So you can only shoot narrow dof in every single shot you will ever take?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139530
hell yeah!
>> Anonymous
>>139530

i was shooting 1/60th in a dark kitchen with 400 and a 50/1.4 on a film body.

Came back beautifully. I had a few more stops to play around with.
>> Anonymous
>>139526
Even with a f/1.4 lens, I have trouble keeping ISO lower than 800 indoors if I shoot without flash.
>> Anonymous
>>139534

i see your point, i don't have a 50/1.4 for my dslr ;_;, and i have to crank the iso to get it to be even half decent.

Note: The 18-70 3.5/4.5 kit lens sucks for low light.

it sucks hard.
>> Anonymous
>>139313after i saw a rep play with the AF making the camera do 360's on the table.

??? link
>> Anonymous
where are you getting these samples from?

they look way to bad to be real, i think someone is just pasting P&S images in a file with sony alpha EXIF

there's no way sony would be able to sell cameras if their pictures were like that and the a100 was one of the best selling last year
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139545
PATHETIC!

I shoot with a 4.5-5.6 in low light at iso400. Fail less.
>> Anonymous
>>139558

depends on what your definition of low light is
>> Anonymous
>>139548
It's not the A100, it's the A700. Sony's super-duper BIONZ processor in the A700 *intentionally* fucks up the files like that. Some idiots in marketing or something at Sony figured people would prefer that to noise on a semi-pro camera.
>> Anonymous
>>139558
Yeah but you don't take good photos.
>> Anonymous
the a100 has the 'bionz' too.
>> Anonymous
>>139560It's not the A100, it's the A700.

yes, i realize the samples from the new models and the a700

but i'm asking

is this just a huge fuckup on sony to make new cameras that suck ass

or if it's someone faking the exif
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139559
Nightclubs
>>139569
You've never seen any of them because i shoot for someone else so I wont post them.
>> Anonymous
>>139609
No flash Iso 400 at f4 in a nightclub, are you shooting 2/5th exposures or something? I don't see how you can think that anyone can take you seriously here when you're this stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>139573
Yes, but a more sane version of it.

>>139590
I just lifted those pictures from a local forum, so I can't guarantee anything, but the guys there hardly had any reasons to fake the EXIF.
>> Anonymous
>>139558I shoot with a 4.5-5.6 in low light at iso400 with a flash. Fail less.
>> Anonymous
>>139613

wow, if those are real, it's pretty pathetic performance from a $1,500+ camera
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139617
shhhhhh you missed giant fucking from before flash too

also 0.4s exposures.
>> Anonymous
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for comparison, here's my a100 with the kit lens, NR turned on in the camera at 1600, in my crappy

dorm room. Hueg picture is hueg so you can see the noise.

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>> Anonymous
>>139622
>Nightclubs
>0.4s exposures.

So you're one of these retards who shoot colored mishmash at a night club and then pretend it's art?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>139631
you missed the giant flash part didnt you? you need .4s exposure at f5.6 to get some bg light in.
>> Anonymous
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and for shits and giggles, here's two i took today.

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>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>139313anyway after i saw a rep play with the AF making the camera do 360's on the table.

Link to video?