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Is nature photography still viable in the least for hobby money or has the amateur level DSLR destroyed the market for most preprofessional nature photographers?
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>> Anonymous
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I dont know if any of that made sense?

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>> Anonymous
you posting your terrible boring pictures is the exact equivalent to saging the threads with good pictures
>> Anonymous
No - you've just demonstrated why. Shitty, boring images don't sell, whether they're sharp and high-resolution or not. New camera technology has allowed the professional to do more work faster and with less hassle. A DSLR doesn't imbue the owner with the ability to compose an image, to spot good light and photogenic scenes and the self-editorial and marketing skills necessary to sell photos. Pros are pros and amateurs are amateurs, whether they're shooting $4 disposable cameras or pro DSLRs with L glass.

You can spot an amateur with a great camera or a pro with a shitty one from a hundred paces - their whole attitude to their art, to the scene and to light is totally different.

Go out and watch people take photographs. Amateurs will take a shot, maybe fiddle with the zoom a bit, take another one, chimp at the preview screen and go home. Pros will bob and weave like a boxer, taking shots lying on their belly or perched on a stepladder. They'll have big flashes, reflectors, light meters and tri/monopods and use them with skill. They'll be moving subjects around, rearranging piles of rocks, sitting waiting for the light to change, applying make-up to models.

The gulf between the skill level of an enthusiastic amateur and a hardened pro is as great as that between the quality of a $4 disposable and a pro DSLR. It's the skill and craftsmanship that sells images.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
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>>89889

Depends. I just sold a print of this photo and one other photo for $500 each (framed and matted) dollars earlier today. But don't plan to make a living off it.

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>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
oops it sent too soon.

>>89924
has a very good point, so QFT. Me selling that photo and one other was completely, utterly random. Never saw it coming. Unless you get sponsored by a gallery, hired by a magazine, etc to do it, there isn't a whole lot of money to be made of it. UNLESS you have a very unique niche and a very, very smart marketing strategy
>> elf_man !fBgo7jDjms
>>89928
Congrats.
>> Anonymous
>>89928
i would like the contact of the people/person who bought those prints so i can try to sell some of my stuff
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>89935

not going to say who it was, but I was contacted through my flickr. I also put up a "portfolio" account for professional use if i needed it. Start out with getting your work online, get business cards and get out shooting in public; pass out cards if people stop to talk to you, etc.
>> Anonymous
People pay big bucks for buck shots
ahahaha, I crack myself up..

But seriously I've never seen more people spend money on pictures than Hunters. They looove their hunting season and their digiscoping.
And if you can get a good pic, (that will look 100x better than their digiscope shots) Then you can make a killing off of it! (Relative)
>> Thumper !VFtk2VroH6
Just remember to get the money or agreement to pay up front before sending the photos, otherwise clever dicks may "assume" you were happy to just have something published for free

I know from experience
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>89948

yeah, you poor thing :/
>> Invi
>>89899
>>89924
No need to be such a fucking dick. I really like the first pic - there may not be a lot of action in it, but it has atmosphere. I could totally see it hanging on a restaurant or the like.
>> Anonymous
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>>89944
bleh flickr, part Yahoo which I hate o so much
>>89948
never give out photos to perspective at a high enough resolution to print or without a water mark
Found if they are in the same town as you it works very well just bring sample prints.

>>89928
how did you decide pricing?
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>89978

time+film+developing+printing+a little extra ;)

Honestly; here are the prices I gave her; she's looking for an 18x24

$85 for a high resolution scan on CD for the 18x24 print size.
$65 for an 18x24 print (shipping included)
$500 for an 18x24 print framed and matted w/shipping.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>89978

time+film+developing+printing+a little extra ;)

Honestly; here are the prices I gave her; she's looking for an 18x24

$85 for a high resolution scan on CD for the 18x24 print size.
$65 for an 18x24 print (shipping included)
$500 for an 18x24 print framed and matted w/shipping.


You may hate flickr, but it's been the source of $$$ for me. You'd be surprised- either a connection/job from someone i met through flickr, or a referral to a friend of theirs who just so happened my email happened to have the word "photo" in it.
>> Anonymous
>>89954
you know its a great photo if its possible that you might see it hanging in a restaurant of questionable caliber
>> Anonymous
>>90063
wow, does a frame + matting really cost that much? nice frames + matting didnt cost more than like $100 i thought.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>90119

nope it doesn't; but selling a photo doesn't make sense if you dont make a bit off of it.
>> Anonymous
>>90120
well in that case i need to find some people whod rather buy a frame and matting for $435 from me rather than sub-$100 from a store.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>90121

it's more of a personal touch; and i get everything professionally done. most photographers in galleries are above that, i just took it down a bit.
>> elf_man !fBgo7jDjms
>>90119
It's a great shot, too. That counts a bit I'd think.
>> Anonymous
>>89954

Agreed. It seems that anything short of nude ninja girls fighting the predator is boring to /p/.

It seems hard to believe, though, that>>89889and>>89894were taken by the same person.>>89894is really bad...
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>90146

I don't think they were taken by the same photographer... if the op is claiming so... it's bullshit. Two different cameras, different processing software...

I've sold work mainly through word of mouth and sheer luck.

I almost spend the entirety of any holiday i'm on taking photos, if i visit sites and all that i've always got the camera with me.

That way it gave a bit of of a niche with exotic locations and all that.

A friend of mine is an art dealer, aside from working on a few photographic projects together he's also my pimp.

If wealthy housewives wanted a sizeable print of a pauper on the streets of China/Cuba/South East Asia...or somewhere else i'd been, the friend would recommend mine stuff by showing the potential client one of my 'books'.

I offered prints to a few friends to spruce up their rooms, their parents saw them, wanted them and that's the way it went.

So it's really about just trying to get yourself out there in one way or another. Enter competitions, offer stuff up for exhibitions... even your local galleries (state run ones).
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
Pricing is the fun part... the friend at the gallery has gotten me some great 4 figure sums... hoping to move more.

People walk in wanting to spend 5 figures on an art work... but the gallery has nothing that 'cheap' so the friend offers his own work and mine. Which works out great for us.

The prints we give out those clients also reflect the price as it's usually done on maple blocks, the friend takes care of that part as he's in the know. For the usual A0 size it cost about 1200 dollars.

All that on my D70s, sometimes the D200 or the mate's Leica.

There's definitely money to be made... from those stock photo places (i simply don't trust them)... not sure if i want to whore my photos out to them... to all sorts of shit.

You just have to produce images people want... or tel people they want them.
>> Anonymous
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Op here, sorry went on a camping trip =D

>>89894
not mine, lol seriously guys its not hard to tell its not mine

>>90063
do include any kind of license agreements when you give them a CD?

what are the standards of framing? can you just go out and buy a relatively cheap frame and put your matted photo into it (window matting isn't that hard, just time consuming) or do they expect you smack into one of those frames with the insane nature glass stuff?

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