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beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
I went to another fashion thingie last night.
Here are some photos.
Critique appreciated since I'm still getting the hang of flash photography.
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>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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(this model shows up quite a bit, i think she looks great)

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>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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above shot was the designer btw..

and that is all!
lemme know if you wanna see more or whatever

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>> Anonymous
These are all excellent.

Much better stuff than what we see around here.
>> M?e?e?s?e??? !iZn5BCIpug
Don't worry ill sum up this thread quickly /p/.

Shit sux go back to DA beethy.

also
>>235602
samefag
>> Anonymous
wow. you are a great photographer. do you work for a magazine or something?
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235602
thanks man! really appreciate it
but i'm lucky.. the other tripfags haven't posted in a while.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235605
inb4 slurp slurp

>>235604
not sure if troll...... but no i don't
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235603
btw Meese, Hell Boy 2 was pretty entertaining.. better than the 1st one... But not better than Dark Knight per se.
>> $19.99 !OSYhGye6hY
Nicely lit.

>>235598
This one might have benefitted from a lowered perspective

>>235601
Tighter crop might be more interesting, maybe take away the empty space on the right
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235608
thanks and i agree on the 1st point..
sushi table was in the way :<
i didn't wanna squish my free food

that's actually why i go to these things haha, the free alcohol and food
>> Anonymous
>>235598
No fucking ultra-wides please. That shit is just nauseating.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235611
maybe the composition actually bothers you rather than the fact that it's ultra wide.
every single shot was taken at 10mm
check the exif if you don't believe me
>> Anonymous
first ones gay....
>>235597
doesnt seem sharp. but its good, i do like it
>>235598
also not sharp enough, smaller aperture would have been nice to get everything sharp, but might have been hard if you were working with low/ish light
>>235599
this one is awesome, color version? not to say the black and white isnt nice i just want to see what it looks like.
>>235600
pretty good as well. nice colors. all around pretty good.
>>235601
pretty good too

some of these complaints may be because i need to clean my glasses......
>> M?e?e?s?e??? !iZn5BCIpug
I hated the first hell boy so I skipped the second one.

Also I went back and actually looked at the photos. Your b&w process is nauseating and screams LOLDA.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235618
*Your

Meese, are you underage b&?
>> M?e?e?s?e??? !iZn5BCIpug
>>235626
HA I BEAT YOU TO IT MOTHERFUCKER
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235623
thanks for the critique :)
>> Anonymous
These are actually much better than your last fashion photography shit which was all front on flash.
Did you bounce it this time?
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235645
Thanks.. and yea it's all bounced flash!
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
I like the color ones best, reflections in the first one. Nicely done.
>> Anonymous
>>235605
>>235604
>>235602

samefag
>> Anonymous
>>235616every single shot was taken at 10mm

oh i believe you

>>235611No fucking ultra-wides please. That shit is just nauseating.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
Man I love the first one, I think its by far the best shot!

>>235598
Distortions hurt this one too much

>>235599
This one is also great, shes nicely lit against the darker rest of the frame. Also feels like shes standing off from the rest of the party. awesome.

>>235601
Not a fan of the lack of whites, but the background is really nice. Could have been better IMO

Overall though, big improvement! Awesome!
>> Mr. Higgzbuffonton !!Xsltv1VWxZT
great stuff beethy,

>>235597
probably my favourite.. good pose, composition, etc.
>> Anonymous
These are pretty great
>> Anonymous
>>235594
Meh, boring.

>>235597
>>235598
Awesome. Reminds me a ton of Winogrand in almost every single way.

Side note: you said in another thread some time back you're not studying classic photographers or artists because you want your stuff to be original- yeah, that's a bad idea. They all are classic in part because they're original, and they all studied the classics. You take the good stuff and put your own spin on it, that's how you innovate. The visual education you pick up by osmosis sucks, one is influenced anyway, it's your call whether you want it to just be billboards and magazine ads, TV shows, movies (and cinematography these days is very rarely strong compositionally, even in lots of good movies), and /p/, or Cartier-Bresson, Rembrandt, etc.

>>235599
>>235600
>>235601
Scenes had great potential, but compositionally they just don't come together.

In the first one, you've got a nice layered scene, but there's way too much space on the righthand side of the girl in front and you clip off the bar scene in the back at a bad spot. Watch and pick where you put your edges is one of the biggest things I've found compositionally.

The color one has really good colors going for it, but there's almost no composition at all, and it has a shitty-quick-snap-editorial-for-some-throwaway-human-interest-story feel going.

>>235601
is the best of these three, you've got some good leading lines in it, and it doesn't suck, but you could've done much more and better with those lines.
>> Anonymous
>>235690
>>235676
>>235662
>>235654
>>235645
samefag
>> Anonymous
PROTIP: None of these are beethy's shots.

Do any of the shots in Beethy's DA look like this? No?
Then why the fuck would you retards assume he shot them?


http://beethy.deviantart.com
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235654
>>235662
>>235676
>>235690
Thanks all!!

>>235695
Holy shit, this is the most awesome and useful critique I've gotten in years.
Thanks anon, really.
I'd love to have you critique any future shit I post here.
I'll really keep everything you said in mind next time I shoot.
>> Anonymous
Oh, and you're using the flash fine and (surprisingly, I normally am in the ultrawides-are-a-gimmick-that-99%-of-people-can't-use-right) the ultrawide the right way.

If you want to see someone who works almost exclusively with an ultrawide and composes with more talent than any other living photographer, look up James Nachtwey. All he uses is the 16-35L and very rarely the 50/1.4, on both full frame digital and film.

You know what his college major was, by the way? Art history. Just underlining a point.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235699
I post stuff on /p/ first... then listen to advice like "this is distracting, get rid of it" .. or "crop the right a little" .. stuff like that.
Then once I've gotten a lot of critique which allows me to look at my photos more objectively I post them on dA.
You'll see em there in a few hours :)
I'm flattered you think I didn't take these though. Thanks
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235702
Yeah my girlfriend keeps telling me I shouldn't be such all "HEY I DON'T NEED LESSONS" fag.
So once I get enough money together I'll take a few courses. Couldn't hurt.
Oh and Nachtwey is one of the few I checked out a while ago.
Some anon posted a link to an awesome documentary about him.
>> Anonymous
>>235594
>>235599
>>235601
great shots. congrats :)

>>235597
great shot, but she seems really OOF, which is weird considering the focal length...

>>235600
kinda boring and bad composition, wouldve tried coming in over the shoulder of the make up artist and get a shot of her working on the other chick or perhaps get a bit closer, just too much wasted space around them, and that heater/power array thing is really contrasting and ugly...

>>235599
mindfuck or is it just me...

WHERES THE PHOTOGRAPHER!!!??? :O
>> Anonymous
>>235705
Not so much lessons, but study of some sort. Nachtwey, as an example again, is entirely self-taught as far as photography itself goes. Got himself a camera and taught himself everything while working in the merchant marine and as a truck driver.

Just look at great visual art and figure out why it works and just absorb it.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235720
Ahh I see, thanks for clarifying.
>> Anonymous
ITT Beethy trolls /p/. Yet again.

These photos aren't his. He is just testing to see if people will respond with negative comments. Then he will use that to say "SEE /p/ YOU ARE BIASED"
Why do I say this?

1. The photos are not up on his deviantart account. Not even a single mention of it.
2. Beethy claims he uploads photos to his deviantart later. This is false. He has never done this. I've been around /p/ a long time and everything he posts here was already on his deviantart. Remember the old lame filenames? Yeah.
3. His photos normally have borders around them.
4. Photos do not look anything like his normal style. He just looked for wide angle stuff.
5. Exif can be faked.
Still not convinced?
6. Look at picture one. Look at it closely. Look at the exif. 10mm. Look at it again. Does that look like a photo taken at 10mm to you?

I can't believe /p/ fell for this one.
Lets see how Beethy is going to cover his ass against this. He'll probably leave /p/ AGAIN.
>> Anonymous
>>235835
>Look at picture one. Look at it closely. Look at the exif. 10mm. Look at it again. Does that look like a photo taken at 10mm to you?

Technology lets us crop photos.
>> $19.99 !OSYhGye6hY
>>235841
Lol yeah, i dont think he has a square format xti
>> Anonymous
>>235835
10/10 would lol again
>> Anonymous
>>235835
tl;dr
>> Anonymous
>>235835
I think this person is right.
Inbefore samefag.
>> Anonymous
LOL

10/10 Beethy. Succesfully trolled /p/.
>> Anonymous
/r/ sticky on this.
I bet the photos will never be on his DeviantArt.
>> Anonymous
Beethy, how come you didn't respond yet?
I think we all know why.
>> Anonymous
>>235882
HES ASLEEP YOU FUCKING RETARD
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
>>235895
its not that late in aussie.
11:20pm Friday in New Zealand, so 9:20pm in Sydney.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
Oh hay guise.

I was just eating delicious noodles and watched So You Think You Can Dance.
Re-editing some of the photos now.. and editing some others.

This
>>235835
is 9/10
well done
>> Honest So You Dont Have To Be !9UISPtwBPo
>>235594

I like the idea, and the subject is well posed with a good eye catching stare (i dont know if that was the model's doing or your direction)

My one concern is how long it takes the eye to get to the reflection... I think its the blank space on the right, along with the lights up top just leading your off in the wrong way

>>235597

Yes, Yes, A thousand times yes!!!!

The focus, the noise (that looks beautiful like grain, well done), her hair, her expression... Everything from this shot looks like it was found in a old box of photos... Just a cracking shot!

Instantly reminded me of Zoltán Jókay, and if your admire him as much as I do, you should be proud!

>>235598

This one works, eye goes right to the upright subject, then to her friends, then photographers, then to the other subjects. The wall helps in the leading to the back.

Good shot, nothing spectacular though.

>>235599

I agree, she looks fantastic!

Absolutely love this one aswell, nice strong whites in the model, subjects to the left in dull gray, i like it. The chair in the background acts as a nice tie in so the model and the other subjects are not to separated.

Though personally id clone out the woman in the back ground, she just took my attention for no reason.

>>235600

Its a model getting ready... Just dosnt do it for me

>>235601

Like this one, but could i suggest a different crop?

I think it would look better with some of the left chopped off, give her space to look into, and should do a nice job of showing of the nice slanted shape there both making.


All in all, good job Beethy
>> Anonymous
>>235600
How did you light that? It looks great but the strobe in the bar could of used a snoot.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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>>235922
I'll read this tomorrow... Gonna sleep right after I dump a few more photos I've finished editing. Sorry.. just so fucking tired.
Thanks in advance for the in depth critique.
>>235923
Pretty much every shot was taken with 580EX II with bounced flash (different directions, mostly ceiling)

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>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
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re-edited. got rid of the cords.. couldnt get rid of the big thing on the floor.

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>> noclue !!2yUmAID3520
>>235597
>>235931
do like much
>> Anonymous
>>235937
>>235933

What are you bouncing your flash off of here?
These actually look worse than front flash...
>> Anonymous
>>235599

On your DA you titled this one "Thirds."
But this photo doesn't use the rule of thirds at all.
She's too far to the right.
And her head is too high.
You idiot.
>> Anonymous
B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._.. B&W = INSTA-ART!!! .._..
>> Anonymous
>>235942
>>235944
>>235945
ITS SUMMER NEWFAG TIEM
>> Anonymous
>>235949

it's been summer newfag time for months.
but i actually agree with>>235942
>> Anonymous
>>235945
he's from dA bro
>> Anonymous
>>235950
I think what he meant is that the Americans are awake.
>> Anonymous
>>235942
>>235950
Hmm I'll be honest and say I disagree. I think these shots work with the way the flash is bounced. Wouldn't look as good if everything was lit. Judging from the general location there may have been major distractions in the background that would've been lit up like a Christmas tree with front flash.
>> Anonymous
>>235966
>Hmm I'll be honest and say I disagree.

then you have bad taste
especially in regards to>>235937
if her face was evenly lit then it might have been ok
but right now these both just look like beginner mistakes with using a flash
probably bounced off a white card using a flash that was mounted on the camera instead of on a bracket or hand held.

i know he's new to flash stuff but these are clear rookie mistakes that i wouldnt be showing to people
>> Anonymous
>>235970
>i know he's new to flash stuff but these are clear rookie mistakes that i wouldnt be showing to people

He never said he was pro either.
>> Anonymous
>>236040

yeah but those are the kind of shots that would be used in strobist as examples of n00b mistakes

seems stupid to flash them around
>> else !L6xabslN96
no shots of them doing coke?
>> Anonymous
>>236043
I dont know, i think they look fine. What would he have done differently in this situation?

Strobist is all about getting your flash off the camera and taking test shots before you get your one good shot. In this kind of situation, i don't think he had that option. So it's a bit stupid to bring strobist into discussion.
>> Anonymous
>>236046
>What would he have done differently in this situation?

1) Take the flash off the camera. P-TTL cords are cheap.

=or=

2) Point the fucking thing lower so he evenly lit their faces.
>> Anonymous
>>236046
setup an area, that you like as a backdrop, and arange your lighiting, so that the models can just step into place, and get going. you don't have to use the models for the test shots. just use yourself or another random person as a stand in.
>> Anonymous
>>236050
It's not a photoshoot, it's a party. I don't know about you virgins, but it's kinda lame to bring your three point lighting setup to a fucking party.
>> Anonymous
>>236054
>It's not a photoshoot, it's a party. I don't know about you virgins, but it's kinda lame to bring your three point lighting setup to a fucking party.

It's kinda lame to bring a giant DSLR with a huge flash to a fucking party.

And nobody is suggesting that he do a three-point light setup, just that if he's going to stage shots (several of these are clearly staged) he ought to take some fucking test shots before ruining what could have been a good picture with severe ineptitude.
>> Anonymous
>>236054
lol your fashion photo noobness is showing.

this is not a "party" it's a get-together, with models, makeup artists, and photographers. most definitely an occasion warranting an organized lighting setup.
>> Anonymous
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>>235944
it does follow thirds, just not perfectly down to the line, and it's not supposed to. Thirds is a guideline, you don't have to place things directly on the intersects.

Curtain behind her is in thirds, her breasts and knees, respectively, are on the upper and lower ruling lines. The group of people to the left are intersected in a similar way. This is thirds, it just isn't intersect-style.

Beethy; these are great, some of the better pictures you've posted.
>> Anonymous
>>236094
and yes, technicalfag, the guidelines are off-balance. Unimportant.
>> Anonymous
>>236099

So not only is it well off of following the rule of thirds, despite the fact that Beethy fucking TITLED THE SHOT "Thirds", but you even had to fudge the fuck out of your fake thirds lines (which are way to the left) to try to prove that it kinda sorta almost showed use of the rule of thirds.

Bravo. You have successfully failed at defending a B&W snapshot.
>> Anonymous
>>236119

1. Just because a photo is a "snapshot" does not mean anything else about it. And don't pull a rulesfag on me, because it says "random snapshots." The work of many great photographers have consisted entirely of photographs more on the fly than this.

2. The rule of thirds is not a math equation. It's flexible. Let me repeat this again: THE RULE OF THIRDS IS NOT A MATH EQUATION.

3. Maybe the title "thirds" refers to how the picture is divided into three sections, even if they're not technically on the lines?

Show me what you think a good photograph is on here. Seriously, it's nowhere near the best photograph even in this set, but you seem to be advocating a very messed up idea of what creative photography is about.
>> Anonymous
>>236129
>2. The rule of thirds is not a math equation. It's flexible. Let me repeat this again: THE RULE OF THIRDS IS NOT A MATH EQUATION.

If you didn't think it was important then you wouldn't have tried to fake people out by putting the lines off-center in>>236094
>> Anonymous
>>236130
Hurr, not all Anonymii are the same person.
I'm the one that posted the off-balance ruling lines because they DON'T FUCKING MATTER.

You can bitch about them being off, but everything I said is still true with them properly aligned. Pic related, alignment cues superimposed over the image with CompPilot.

Now please shut the fuck up, rulefag. Clearly you don't understand the practical use of thirds, the image is very clearly divided into three portions each with their own elements (1; group conversing, 2; girl alone, 3; girl posing) so even were the rule of thirds completely disregarded, the title still fits perfectly.

Trife like you who think they know AHT because they read about the rule of thirds make me laugh. Go take a shit in your hand.
>> Anonymous
>>236130
A, I'm not that guy. B, he stated they were off center.

The rule of thirds is a good general guideline, and very useful for a beginners as a "do this and you won't fail totally" tip, but there's no reason to treat it like it was handed down at Sinai.
>> Anonymous
WHy are you guys arguing so hard over a relatively shitty photo?
THere are better and worse shots in this thread.

Why focus on that one?
>> Anonymous
>>236136
The other anonymous here, this guy's point here bears elaboration:

>Clearly you don't understand the practical use of thirds, the image is very clearly divided into three portions each with their own elements

This is a much more useful and more important principle in composition than the rule of thirds, actually. Scenes divided into three sections, three (or other odd numbered) things together, etc. often pull together best.

>>236141
>Why focus on that one?

Two reasons: the guy's wrong about it, and this is 4chan, and we all KNOW that NO ONE on the Internet can be allowed to be wrong.

(In other words, you're right, it's stupid.)
>> Anonymous
>>236136
hay sage
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236048
Yea I actually considered walking around with 2 flash units... but I'm glad I didn't since it was a pretty crowded ass party. That and I would look even more lame.... And holding my 400D+10-22mm+580 EX II with one fucking hand would be kinda heavy.
Other anon, thanks for defending me.

>>236089
It was a party .. I just ducked backstage a few times where I did get better light.
See shot 1 and 5. :)

>>236094
Thanks! ... it's funny though, I named it thirds because of the 3 vertical areas dividing the picture, not really because of rule of thirds.
Maybe it was a lame title. (oh wait, i just spotted that a fellow anon noticed why i called it thirds.. nice find!)
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235922
Just finished reading this... and that's some really helpful critique. Thanks heaps.
I'll fix
>>235599

oh and this shot
>>235600
is the designer of the fashion line, i guess without knowing that she shot's kinda worthless
>> Anonymous
>>235922
>Yes, Yes, A thousand times yes!!!!
>The focus, the noise (that looks beautiful like grain, well done), her hair, her expression... Everything from this shot looks like it was found in a old box of photos... Just a cracking shot!

>The focus,

Do you mean the lack of focus? And shitty DOF?
Because she's looking way too soft.
>> Anonymous
beethy do you have nudes of any of these girls?
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236180
that shot's a hit and miss for some people.
with me i wasn't too sure at first....
then some people said they like the kinda grainy look (which is motion blur haha) .. and some people didn't.
i decided it looked too shitty and won't be uploading it to my gallery.
so yea i agree

>>236181
sadly, i don't... and they don't do nude work either as far as i'm aware.
i did get a nip slip off this asian chick, but she caught me and told me to delete it :(
i was nice because she looked like she could beat me up
>> Anonymous
>>236182

Hey Beethy!
I'm the guy who said it had bad focus/dof.
Just wanted to say that other than that it looks really nice
Still not sure why you use B&W so much, but it's a really good shot. Strong composition, and it's interesting to see you using a flash since most of your pics are so dark.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236183
Dunno.. when I'm in areas where I move around all the time and have to snap shots quickly I tend to get a lot of distracting colors. b/w is the easy fix for that
sad but true
>> Anonymous
>>236129

well actually the rule of thirds is a simplified version of golden ratio.... so yea, it is a mathmatic equation.
>> Anonymous
Dear god, /p/ is a bad board
>> Anonymous
/p/- professional trolls
>> Anonymous
It may be shit, but at least it's better than DC's stuff.
>> Anonymous
I like the color ones.. Not a fan of black and white stuff in general though.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236218
you'll need more than that to bait DC
>>236233
thanks
>> Anonymous
>>235705

Speaking of which does anyone have the link to that? I'd really like to watch it.
>> Anonymous
itt and /p/ in general:
anons and tripfags can't get over the fact that someone takes better photos than they do

in after shitstorm
>> Anonymous
>>236180
Not all great photos need to be 50mm f.1.4 stopped down to f/8 sharp.
>> Blackadder !!bSWRwu/NqzQ
>>235597

I like that one the most.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236313
thanks!
since quite a few /p/ fags like it.. i'll up it to my acct.
>> Anonymous
best...
thread...
>> Anonymous
>>236279
itt summer.....
>> Anonymous
>>235594

these are decent, kid. there are just too many trolls on 4chan. dont bother posting here anymore, beethy.


but just curious, because you have cs2, what process did you use to make the bws?

cs3 has a pretty good black and white that lets you adjust the exposure of each color channel, whereas cs2, using channel mixer, you can adjust the main 3. but there are many ways to do it.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>235922
Thanks for the suggestion on 601.
I think the new crop looks a lot better.
http://beethy.deviantart.com/art/new-romance-95021270


Seriously though, this is no slurp slurp bullshit. But /p/, I wanna thank all of you for giving me actual helpful critique. I got to fix a lot of post processing errors ... crop fixes.. and you've also given me good tips for the future.
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>236374
hm yea i should look into getting CS3.
In CS2 I use channel mixer which feels rather restrictive.