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Anonymous
/p/, please inform me why everyone hates sony.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
\o hi
>> Anonymous
>>147507


I'm serious. I shoot an A100 and made my decision to go with sony after learning on an old minolta x700 and loving the optics and quality. I see no degradation in the sony end of things now, either.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147510
I'm the reason everyone hates sony, also canikon are scared of someone biting into their market, olympusfags hate _everyone_ and there are no pentax/sigma users.
>> Anonymous
I don't "hate" Sony per se, I just say their cameras are crap.
>> Anonymous
um its basically because the majority of /p/ shoot on low end canos and have very little in the way of skill. To compensate for this they must make them selfs feel better buy trolling and bashing, as per on 4chan.

nothing wrong with sony/minolta. the grips are fucking fantastic but that isnt really a big deal in the end.
>> Anonymous
>>147515
"low end canons with very little in the way of skill"

"feel better about themselves" "bashing"

I lol'd.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147515
>nothing wrong with sony/minolta. the grips are fucking fantastic but that isnt really a big deal in the end.

WHAT!

Thats like the most important part of buying a low end body.

0/10
>> Anonymous
>>147518
He's trying to get in your pants.
>> Anonymous
Sony overprices shit.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147523
/p/ not /g/
>> Anonymous
>>147518

ha oh yeah the grip IS the most important thing as you cant take photos without one.

im sorry.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147525
k you go hold a cinder block for an hour instead then!
>> Anonymous
>>147526

I was talking about the extended battery grips. Sorry I didnt make that completely clear.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>147526
Or an Argus C3
>> Anonymous
>>147528


ac do you use a tripod with your xti?
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>147528
Nevermind grip, c3 has no ergonomics whatsoever. It is a freaking brick.
>> Anonymous
A100 was garbage so they got a lot of bashing for that, Though their new A700 is much better, almost comparable to a D300.

Also their flash hotshoes are proprietary, Their new lenses average about 20-40% more expensive than canon / Nikon equivalents.
And for /p/ Butterfly is constantly trolling us with sony recomendations, inciting a lot of hate
>> Anonymous
>>147526

I have a strange feeling that most ppl could take better photos than you with a cinder block.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147538
A camera with near D80 performance for near D40 cost? I only saw bashing from other photographers, all the reviews were pretty positive.
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
people hate sony because their users are smug assholes who confuse adequacy with superiority.

OOOOMIIIIIIIIGOOOOOOOD SONY HAS A FULL FRAME SENSOR NOW TAKE THAT CANIKON!!!!!!!

what i can't figure out is why people are such rabid sony fans after only three dslrs.
>> Anonymous
>>147540
Image quality the A100 was absolute garbage, White Balance was semi retarded, and anything above ISO 400 looked like it was finger painted.
The A100 is not a good camera, it was cheap, and thats all
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>147530
Er. Every once in a while. Depends on what I'm doing. Not very frequently, though. I'm too lazy to carry the thing around. Also: My tripod is a total piece of shit $20 aluminum thing I got from Big Lots. Why do you ask?

>>147536
I know. That's why I brought it up in reference to holding a cinder block. :-P
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147543
And the D40 is fucking amazing compared to it? Wonderful troll that you are (protip: this is sarcasam, i dont mean it) the A100 is better than all the other base models.
>> Anonymous
>>147542
It's because of Konica Minolta.
>> Anonymous
>>147540

>>near D80 performance

Explain please. I would also like to know what qualifies you to recommend in such a blatantly wrong way. Ive used both and its nowhere near as good as a D80.

I suppose your just being another internet expert quoting specs..but hey I could be wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>147547
Why do you keep bringing up the D40? The A100 was Sony's FIRST DSLR, and their WORST DSLR. Theres not much to like about the company other than the fact that it holds the future for Minolta Lenses.
>> sage sage sage anonymous
SAGING FUCKING GEAR THREAD
sage sage sage
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>147548

right, but that only accounts for a few of them. and sony's future line-up has nothing to do with KM, so it's hardly enough to inspire such dogma.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147549
the dpreview review and tests.

>>147550
Because the A100 was priced to compete with it, why not compared the D3 to the A100 then?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147552
10/10
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>147552

fail. sage goes in the email field. liek dis
>> Anonymous
>>147555
quit cluttering up gear threads and post those pics you promised
>> Anonymous
>>147547

Butterfly. I would like to suggest something to you. I'm not sure why you come to /p/ but it mainly seems so you can act like a dick. Instead of being a dick why don't you go take some photos.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147560
>>147562
*hunts for laptop to PP*
>> Anonymous
>>147555

ha ha OH WOW. Im sorry Ill take my actual experience with both cameras and bow down to you surfing dp review.

Thanks, you sure told me.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147565
Then you have nothing to say, go do some tests if you are such an expert.

This isnt even deconstructive trolling, you're just trying to argue because you think you can. YOU CANT.
>> Anonymous
>>147566

Nice strawman argument you got there. Well done.
>> Anonymous
>>147566

If you spent half as much time taking photos as you did arguing you would probably enjoy photography more than arguing in gear threads.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147568
its as strong as your argument that the D80 is better, all you have is words. I posted a website and you decide that its not good enough, did you have sauce with your hat?

>>147570
I enjoy arguing, although I do enjoy it much more when im in respectable company.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>147566
In what way exactly are you saying the A100 has "near D80 performance"? FPS? Image quality?

I'm only seeing one control wheel on the A100, which I see as the biggest selling point of the D80 over, say, the D50. If you're just talking about image quality and ISO performance, it's just as true to say that it delivers "Near D40 performance" or "Near Digital Rebel XT" performance. All APS-C-sensored cameras give more or less the same amounts of noise.
>> Anonymous
>>147574

This is why I dont get why ppl care so much about what dslr they have. If they were to actually WORK on taking photographs then surely this would be the best way to improve. Not just buying a faster focus or a better flash....etc.

Im sure youve been around /p/ for as long as I have and this line of thought has never set in. Its like getting blood from a stone.
>> Anonymous
>>147538
>A100 was garbage so they got a lot of bashing for that, Though their new A700 is much better, almost comparable to a D300.
>their new A700 is much better, almost comparable to a D300
>A700 almost comparable to a D300

Funny, most of the A700 pics I've seen look like utter shit, while the D300 pics are quite nice. Or at least don't look as shitty as A700's.

Maybe it's the optics, not how many megapixuls your camera has. Anyone with two neurons and some slight (digital) photographic knowledge should know by now that more pixels won't get you better shoots - yet ads claim otherwise. Sony just follows the general consumer trend, and tries to fool idiots throwing more megapixels in their cameras.

But I'd rather have the WIDE catalog of lenses Nikon & Canon have (and many of them yet to be beaten in terms of quality) than a camera with an hypothetically superior electronics.

Not to mention you can use old film cameras if you go the "Canikon" way. Has Sony something like Nikon's F6? Or it's Canon equivalent?
>> Anonymous
Butterfly.

Your obviously in the middle of a nerd rage so i suggest you just do what we've all been waiting for and post some of those fantastic photos we all know you produce.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147589
>Not to mention you can use old film cameras if you go the "Canikon" way. Has Sony something like Nikon's F6? Or it's Canon equivalent?

Why yes, the entire Minolta Dynax back cat, older than the EOS mount and with some amazing film SLRs in it.
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>>147526


did someone say heavy camera?

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwareMicrosoft Windows Photo Gallery 6.0.6000.16386Maximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Focal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:03:25 20:51:09Exposure Time1/60 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Brightness0 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashFlash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1984Image Height2377RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHardUnique Image ID9017E8865F4F43F0B89649DDACCEAF3E
>> Anonymous
>>147594

nah thats nothing. ive used a pentax 6x7. That was a fucking nightmare to lug arround.
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K guys, here's a real world situation of the A100's 1600ISO.

Completely acceptable.

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwareDSLR-A100 v1.04Maximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Focal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:24 19:46:00Exposure Time1/100 secF-Numberf/3.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Brightness1.5 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashFlash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3872Image Height2592RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHard
>> Anonymous
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>>147592
You talkin' to me?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147603
>>147594
Is that the steel framed model?
>> Anonymous
>>147604
My cellphone takes similar pictures.

I'll even say that my 4 year old camera (D70) performs better with a shitty lenses at f3,5.
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>>147614


Yes ma'am.

With the speedwinder, multifunction back, and powergrip.

it's about 10-12lbs with the 360PX and the beercan. Put the little rokkor 50/1.4 and it drops a little, but still a hoss.

also, here's a 35% original size of the a100 @ 1600.

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwareDSLR-A100 v1.04Maximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Focal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:24 19:46:22Exposure Time1/80 secF-Numberf/3.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Brightness1.2 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3872Image Height2592RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHard
>> Anonymous
>>147624


as a sidenote, these are straight from the camera's JPEG converter and haven't been run through anything besides Paint to resize them and the camera's on board NR.
>> Anonymous
>>147604
Not real world situation,
real situations you would need to use ISO 1600 = real world.

Any club pictures, bars, low lit weddings parties. Often areas where using a flash is untactfull or forbidden. Night Baseball, football, something like that.
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>>147631
So i flipped on my bed light on my side of the room and took a picture of my roommate's TV with the ambient light from across the room.

slightly better?

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwareDSLR-A100 v1.04Maximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Focal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:24 20:11:56Exposure Time1/3 secF-Numberf/3.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Brightness-3.5 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3872Image Height2592RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHard
>> Anonymous
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and the crop.

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwareDSLR-A100 v1.04Maximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Focal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:24 20:11:56Exposure Time1/3 secF-Numberf/3.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Brightness-3.5 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3872Image Height2592RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHard
>> Anonymous
>>147636
no, but obviously in your room your not going to be able to emulate it...
On a side note, this picture looks atrocious for purple and green noise.
>> Anonymous
>>147639


i forgot to turn down the on camera sharpening ;_;
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
alright, so every sonyfag is just an old minoltafag?
>> Anonymous
i'm sure there are some new sony fags.
>> Anonymous
>>147538Though their new A700 is much better, almost comparable to a D300.

hahahahahahahfhahahaahahahahahahahahahhahahahaah

oh lulz
>> Anonymous
I hate Canon more than Sony. Sony actually pays me ($100 per A700!), while Canon doesn't do shit.
>> Anonymous
on an unrelated note, the lens on the a900 looks sweet.
>> Anonymous
>>147784
nothing like kickbacks to skew sales staff into selling you an inferior camera
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>>147835


i'm sure nikon and canon have never done this.
>> Anonymous
>>147838
oh well in that case its completely justified! Carry on then!
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>>147845

i just don't see the reason to rail on sony for doing something that canon and nikon have been doing forever.
>> Anonymous
>>147784

oh wow someone has never heard of cashback and rebates
>> Anonymous
I just bought a DSLRA-350K and love it.
>> Anonymous
had an a100,upgraded to an a700,w vertical grip.

people that hate on sony for the alpha series are just fucking stupid,seriously.

there's haters in everything,especially 4chan,i could post my 98 tt supra and people would call me gay for not having a skyline,same shit here
>> Anonymous
>>147869
or we could just call you gay right now for owning a supra
>> Anonymous
how would the sony 300/350 compare to the 40D (canon) or the D40 (nikon)?
>> Anonymous
>>147876


Superior.
>> Anonymous
40D > D40 > A9000
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>>147883


>a9000

?
>> Anonymous
>>147883
WHAT NINE THOUSAND!?
>> Anonymous
>>147887


sadly it's less than or equal to 9000.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>147873
a 98 as well, faggot. I bet you have decals on your camera.

>>147887
The D40 and 40D are both greater than nine thousand here.
>> Anonymous
>>147990
I agree, though the D40 only by decimal rounding.
>> Anonymous
Gear whoring does not make your photography better.