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OK so I just ordered a 450D with kit lens, 4gb Sandisk Extreme iii SDHC card and Lowepro Rezo 160 bag. I plan on upgrading the lens later on and get a nice zoom. But until I have enough cash again I want to get in this order.

Flash
Zoom
Better prime

Can you recommend which types to get? 430ex Speedlite 2 for flash? Or should I try and save more for the 580? Not sure what zoom and what prime yet.

McCain's pizza unrelated.
>> Anonymous
Why? I consider it very related.

Please teach me about cameras.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>> Flash
430ex1
>> Zoom
17-55 2.8 is
>> Better prime
35mm 1.4 l
>> Anonymous
OP, we can't give you reccomendations until we know what you're going to be shooting and what you're going for.

The 35/1.4 L someone suggested is a great lens, but I'd loathe to shoot with it on a crop- 56mm equivalent is way too long of a normal for my taste. I'd go with a 28 or 30mm; a 24mm would probably be close enough, too.

But that's for what and how I shoot, and my taste in perspective. We can't make suggestions until you tell us a little more.
>> Anonymous
>>286010

Agree on the 430ex l, the two is much more expensive and only has minor benefits. For a starter flash the 430ex l is perfect.

17-55 2.8 IS and 35L are more than likely out of OPs price range. If he needs to save up to afford the difference between a 430 and a 580 he probably won't be dropping 1-1.4k on a single lens.

I would suggest the tamron 17-50 2.8 for a zoom. Just as nice as the 17-55 but less than half the price, and no IS of course.

As for primes and a crop body, sigma 30 1.4 or 20 1.8, gives you a normal to slightly wider than normal view.
>> Anonymous
>>286013
>20 1.8, gives you a... slightly wider than normal view

32mm equivalent is not "slightly wider than normal." Not saying it's a bad length, but it's pretty wide.
>> Anonymous
OK the 430EX it is then. I am a little confused about the lenses though since this is my first DSLR coming from a semi-compact S2 IS. It will be coming with the kit 18-55mm which I thought was a prime. I consider a zoom -300mm which is what I am really looking for with some form of IS on it. I consider prime as something -50mm or 55mm but would prefer something with a wide angle for landscapes etc. I generally would consider anything with a low F stop as suitable for indoor work. I get fedup of low light problems when I do not want to lose the natural light or do not have a tripod to hand.

Basically I am after an IS zoom to 300mm and an intermediate IS lens that is good for general use. BTW I have some old AF glass but am not at home right and forgot what exactly. I think one is a 70-200mm or maybe 85-200mm but will have to check.
>> Anonymous
>>286016
A zoom is a lens with multiple focal lengths, for example the lens on your S2IS or the 18-55 or the 10-22 or the 100-400.

A prime is a lens with one focal length, for instance the 50/1.8, 85/1.2, 20/2.8, or 400/4.

The lens you have at home sounds fine, and the kit is probably fine, too. If you find it giving you problems in low light- your 450D can go up higher on the ISO than your S2IS- get the 17-50 Tamron someone mentioned.

Better, go straight for a 24, 28, or 30mm prime, and learn on that, along with the 50/1.8, which is cheap ($80 USD) and good. Sticking to a prime of moderate focal length helps you learn and practice good composition. You've got your 18-55 if you need something wider or longer.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>286016
>>286023
300mm+ is known as telephoto, you can have both telephoto primes ie 300/2.8 or telephoto zooms ie 100-300/4 etc.

Roughly:
Ultra-Wide Angle
Wide Angle
Normal
~wtf portrait lengths
Telephoto
Super-Telephoto?
>> Anonymous
>>286026
300 is where tele starts? What?

Ultrawides are up to ~24mm equivalent.
Wides go from ~28 to 39.
Normals are from 40-60.
Medium teles are from 60-135.
Plain teles are from 135-200.
Superteles are 200+.
>> Anonymous
OK so I want a telephoto 300mm for those moments I can't get close enough to subject which I would probably be prepared for anyhow. But it would need IS for that methinks. So suggestions on that welcome.

The kit lens for general use should be OK until I get some experience then might swap that out for something like the Tamron.

Other than those a prime lens and a macro lens are somewhere on the horizon. How does the Sigma 24mm EF lens compare to the Canon 24mm EF lens? I can get the Sigma 24mm pretty cheaply.
>> Anonymous
Basically I am looking for some reasonably priced lenses that cover most bases. The S2 IS was so versatile in that respect even if the quality and functionality was a bit limited. I'd like to be able to do macro shots eventually with a macro light ring. But I guess I need to research that subject more when that time comes.
>> Anonymous
>>286026
except for telephoto technically starting at 50mm you're right here.
super-telephoto is PC
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>286036
I mentioned 300mm because the OP did, shouldnt have used + tho.

As for the list I was just guessing, so thanks.
>> Anonymous
>>286039
>OK so I want a telephoto 300mm for those moments I can't get close enough to subject which I would probably be prepared for anyhow. But it would need IS for that methinks. So suggestions on that welcome.

The tele zoom you say you have now is like a like a 320, which is pretty damn long.

Second, very few great pictures get taken with really long lenses; the extreme focal length makes them look flat and boring. ~200mm is all most people need for what they do, and that's pushing it. The exceptions are pictures of interesting stuff that shorter lenses won't work with; e.g. wildlife photography.

Ever heard the expression "zoom with your feet?" Yeah, that. Unless you like your portrait focal length on the long side of that type (e.g. a 105 or 135) the 55mm on the kit is all you'll need. Past that (and wider than the 18) increase in focal length range is subject to rapidly diminishing returns. Probably 90% of the world's great photos have been taken between 28 and 90mm equivalent. Certainly a majority of them.

If you really want IS, get the 55-200 or 70-300.

The Sigm>>286039
>OK so I want a telephoto 300mm for those moments I can't get close enough to subject which I would probably be prepared for anyhow. But it would need IS for that methinks. So suggestions on that welcome.

The tele zoom you say you have now is like a like a 320, which is pretty damn long.
>> Anonymous
>>286048
Severely fucked post.

The tele zoom you say you have now is like a like a 320, which is pretty damn long.


Second, very few great pictures get taken with really long lenses; the extreme focal length makes them look flat and boring. ~200mm is all most people need for what they do, and that's pushing it. The exceptions are pictures of interesting stuff that shorter lenses won't work with; e.g. wildlife photography.

Ever heard the expression "zoom with your feet?" Yeah, that. Unless you like your portrait focal length on the long side of that type (e.g. a 105 or 135) the 55mm on the kit is all you'll need. Past that (and wider than the 18) increase in focal length range is subject to rapidly diminishing returns. Probably 90% of the world's great photos have been taken between 28 and 90mm equivalent. Certainly a majority of them.

If you really want IS, get the 55-200 or 70-300.

>How does the Sigma 24mm EF lens compare to the Canon 24mm EF lens?

Sigma is large, fast (large maximum aperture/ small F-number), and focuses very close, though it's not a true life-size macro lens. Canon is more reasonably sized, of a good, moderate aperture, and is basically your run of the mill 24mm all around. Go look on Flickr at samples and see which one you like.

>a macro lens are somewhere on the horizon.

Best cheap bet for macro is a 50/1.8 plus some extension tubes. If you can afford it, any of Canon's macro lenses are good. Or actually, pretty much anybody's macro lenses are good, but make sure they're a genuine macro (1:1 or larger magnification). I've never heard of a bad macro lens.
>> Anonymous
Sorry to bump my shitty thread but I just thought I'd give you the specs of the current lenses I was given as hand me downs. One is a Canon EF 80-200mm 1:4.1-5.6 II AF lens and the other is some Canon 35-80mm AF lens attached to an old EOS 1000F.