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Anonymous
LOL.

3 focus points, and a viewfinder that feels like you're trying to see out of a dog's mouth my looking through it's arsehole.

Good luck trying to autofocus too.
>> Anonymous
>>258068
Well it works quite fine for me - plus I didn't want to spend like 2000 bucks for my first camera... And the Canon equivalents suck at everything but the viewfinder.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
Just select the center AF point and do the focus-and-reframe technique. D40x can't AF with any lens fast enough for that to be inaccurate anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>258068


look through it is asshole? wat?
>> Anonymous
I don't understand the AF point crap. It's all over DPreview (they're already trashing the 5DII because it "only" has a 9+5 point AF system). Is number of AF points the new megapixlulz? Why does it matter if you have >9000 points? It doesn't make your focus any more accurate and it clutters up your viewfinder with stupid boxes.

I don't even USE autofocus. I feel like maybe 1/30 to 1/50 of my shots are even done with an AF lens, and then I still don't like it because it tries to focus on what it thinks instead of what I like. Focus and recompose works, but since I have tons of practice rapidly focusing manual lenses, it ends up taking the same amount of time or sometimes even more.

My own eye-brain-hand autofocus may not be as fast as a USM lens, but it's just as accurate and by god it always knows what I want to focus on.
>> Anonymous
>>258087
I'm also perplexed as to why so many people are all butt-hurt over it. After reading dpreview forums and photography-on-the-net you would think that one in five people in the world is shooting professional sports for a living.

I use the center point or I manually focus. That's it. I don't even know how to use the other focus points on my 20D that I've had for years.
>> Kilz2latex !!3htj9hFDMA4
>>258087
you use the auto focus points to focus on what you want. i dont see how your not focusing on what you want.

i completely agree with the fact that you dont need more than 3 or at most 5 auto focus points.

every once in a while if im shooting bugs or something that will move i use one of the other af points. i wish i could trust manual focusing more! the oly viewfinder is to dark and small to manual focus well though, and i just assume focus on composition and what not rather than taking the time to manual focus on something thats going to move.
>> Anonymous
Most of the time the center AF point is the most accurate one anyway. I usually tell my camera to just use that one. I don't need the camera deciding which point it wants to use for me.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>258090
>I use the center point or I manually focus. That's it. I don't even know how to use the other focus points on my 20D that I've had for years.
When using fast lenses or focusing closely, focus-and-recompose can throw your image out of focus because the plane moves when you move your camera.

Hit the custom functions on your 20D. There's a setting that'll tell it to use the multi-controller to pick the AF point directly. Then you just point the joystick in the direction of the point you want to focus (press in for the center one) and you're golden.

This ability was one of the big things that made me upgrade from my Rebel.

>>258092
>i completely agree with the fact that you dont need more than 3 or at most 5 auto focus points.
I use all nine of mine. I felt really limited when I had to use a friend's 300D and it only had 7. Especially when I realized there was no way to select 'em directly and I'd have to scroll through them one by one. In the end, I gave up and just let the camera choose (I considered setting it to the center AF point, but the owner of the camera had had it for years and never learned to change her ISO to anything higher than 100, so I didn't want to leave it in a mode she was unfamiliar with by accident).

(Though I did bump her ISO up to 400, as I recall)
>> Kilz2latex !!3htj9hFDMA4
do slrs do that where it decides what focus point to use? ive NEVER had any problem with that on mine.
>> Anonymous
>>258103
>you use the auto focus points to focus on what you want. i dont see how your not focusing on what you want.

So I'm supposed to be constantly adjusting the manual selection of the AF point to track my subject? Always telling the camera which point I want it to use? That's about an order of magnitude slower than just focusing manually. And if I leave it in the "intelligent" auto-selection mode, it often chooses the wrong point or spends a long time hunting to see if one of the other points is "better". Frankly, manual focus works fastest for me, followed by focus-and-recompose with one point, followed by anything using more than one point. So outside of sports photography and maybe PJ, I don't see the need for this OMG 51POINT AF crap.

>>258092

Yes. On every AF SLR I know of you can select a point manually or let the camera choose the one(s) it likes best. As I've said above, selecting a point manually for each shot is much much slower than just ignoring the whole thing and focusing yourself, or even focusing and recomposing.
>> Anonymous
i mostly shoot film, but just sold my year-old d40 and bought a used d80 today. holy fuck man, why did i believe that ken fucking cockwell? compared to d80, the d40 feels and handles like a plastic toy. a viewfinder that's actually useful + a focusing system that doesn't totally suck + 11 focus points WHOOPDEDOOP MOTHERFUCKERS. my photos will still suck but at least i can fucking use af primes, jeez. enjoy ur kit lens. the upgrade cost me 80 €, totally worth it.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>258105
>So I'm supposed to be constantly adjusting the manual selection of the AF point to track my subject?
If you're tracking a subject, there's a mode on all of the DSLRs I've used that automatically tracks your subject. Which is the main use for a crapload of AF points, incidentally.

>Always telling the camera which point I want it to use? That's about an order of magnitude slower than just focusing manually
For you, perhaps. Especially when I don't have a split-prism viewfinder to use, it's a hell of a lot faster for me to pick an AF point. It's just one button on the EOS 20/30/40/50D (and probably 10D/D30/D60, too, but I'm too lazy to look those up). And more accurate with fast lenses, too. I'm guessing the two of us can probably focus on a specific spot in our viewfinders about equally fast with me changing my AF point and you focusing manually. My point being...
>So outside of sports photography and maybe PJ, I don't see the need for this OMG 51POINT AF crap.
NOT EVERYONE USES A CAMERA EXACTLY LIKE YOU DO. The features you go "Pfft. I don't need that" for are features that other people must have or they miss a lot of shots. I feel thoroughly hamstrung now when I have to use a Rebel and can't set my AF point directly, for instance.

Also, incidentally:
>spends a long time hunting to see if one of the other points is "better".
Given how phase-detect autofocus works, it should never have to do this. Each AF point immediately knows how far away it is from the thing it's focusing on as soon as you hit the focus button, so it should pick the right one immediately. If it's hunting a lot, it's probably because you've got the AF points hovering over hard-to-focus-on things.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>258103
>do slrs do that where it decides what focus point to use? ive NEVER had any problem with that on mine.
I'm guessing you're used to a P&S, then?

On a P&S, the whole sensor is effectively one big autofocus point (or a few million tiny autofocus points. It focuses using the entire sensor, I mean). So when you let it choose the AF point, it can pick whatever's closest (or whatever cleverer algorithm it uses) from the whole scene.

With an SLR, you've only got a fixed number of points in the frame where it has special focusing hardware. So if you let it pick its own AF point, you risk it picking the wrong one. The usual algorithm, again, is to pick whatever's closest--SLRs tend to be designed to assume that the user is going to choose their AF point manually most of the time, so they don't have the more fancy AF choice algorithms that P&S cameras do.

Anyway, sometimes you don't want to focus on the closest object. If you *do* always want to focus on the closest object, I suggest you try focusing on something not in the immediate foreground sometime--if done correctly, it can really help your photos seem more three dimensional.
>> amarijuanican !!uwE6LLqqKEL
gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>258134
you simple faggot
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when you use total autofocus, the points do help you see on what exactly the camera focused because it can accurately indicate that area.
as ac said, it also makes auto tracking more accurate which helps a lot when your subjects arent entirely static.

for manual selection of points, the D300 lets you use all 51 if you want in which case it obviously requires a lot of button presses to go from one side to the other, but you can also select to have only 11 which tends to suffice.
>> Anonymous
I don't know how you fucks manual focus on some of the DSLRs. Even the 40D is a bitch to get it down with some of the larger aperture lenses. There's also the fact that manual focusing on a moving object adds another layer to the hurt.

This all sucks seeing as how I want to get into older lenses that don't support AF. I need to get some technique down for MF.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>258211
If you have all the AF points turned on, when one of 'em hits focus in manual mode, it'll light up.
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>> Anonymous
Holy shit. 3 points? are you kidding me?
>> Anonymous
Less focus points on the mkII is kind of a pain, but hey, they have to still sell the 1-line.

The extra points to come in handy in some circumstances. Mostly action, but the other thing it's good for is shooting on tripod. Focus-recompose is really awkward and you're likely going to knock it out of alignment, not to mention slip your finger off the shutter. More points mean you can just dial in the spot with the shot already composed and fire away.
>> Anonymous
>>258219

Does this work with non-EF lenses, provided you have the adapter with the little chip in it? I've seen those for sale on eBay but mine are the plain mechanical ones. It would definitely help to have the little red light and beep on the old lenses as well.

If it works, props to Canon for being really smart once again.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>258296
Yeah. I've got an ex who does exactly that because she has a bunch of m42 glass and is too cheap to buy any modern eos lenses.
>> Anonyfag of Borneo !bHymOqU5YY
Anyone have the page from the D300 manual where they show you the boob-tracking feature of the AF?
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>>258446
lmao, hadn't seen it before, looked it up in my manual