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russian SLR
weapon or decent camera?
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>> SAGE
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5kg easy

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>> Anonymous
ive use a pentax 67 extensively and i can honestly say its not worth the bother.
>> Anonymous
They're 5kgs? I knew they were solid but not quite that bad.
>> Anonymous
I've got a Kiev 6c (very similar to the camera with the arax badge. They take decent shots have decent glass availiable but all have problems with film spacing (badly calibrated and set up for thicker, russian film apparently).
The ARAX reconditioned ones work really well but are pricey.
And yes, 5kilos sounds about right with the prism on.
>> Anonymous
>>285395
Decent if you like 1960's technology, lomography and/or you're really, really cheap. Since the sixties, every self-respecting photographer in the USSR tried to get an imported Pentacon Six (for MF) or an Exakta (for 35mm) or something like that, and for a good reason.
>> Anonymous
>>285409
wtf have kiev's got to do with lomography??
They can take decent lenses and give you full control.
Granted they where unreliable and badly calibrated from the factory but they aint toy cameras. ANd the pentacons whern't that much better.
As for being cheap, you got me there. 30bucks for a MF SLR and lens from some Ukrainian bazaar=another win for ghetto photography
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>>285420
>wtf have kiev's got to do with lomography??

Fun with light leaks and shutter jams.

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>> Anonymous
man do I have stories about old russian SLRs.
I'm talkin back in the USSR days.
They really made pieces of shit. They tried so hard to copy leading brands to show that the USSR was actually worth a damn.
>> Anonymous
>>285438
>They really made pieces of shit. They tried so hard to copy leading brands

Not entirely correct. Basically, the history of Soviet cameras can be divided into four periods:
1920s-1930s: Reverse-engineered German designs plus some original stuff (the Start which may be the first SLR ever, the first Photosniper)
1940s: If you've just taken world's best camera production lines as war trophies, why bother with your own cameras? Basically everything existing at the time was replaced with German designs.
1950s-early 1960s: The only period of rapid innovation; the cameras could actually stand their ground against Western ones at Expo'58.
Late 1960s till the end: Arms race kicked in yo. No one cares about new cameras anymore, everything produced is just a painfully slow evolution of the cameras designed in the 50s, plus ever-declining production quality.
>> SAGE
as far as russian 120's go how is the Moskva 5
>> Anonymous
The Russian cameras made from the very early stages after the war using German parts and designs were the only ones worth while. Over time it went downhill, eventually quite rapidly after they abandoned everything that made the German production worth while. Everything after that was garbage, just as you'd expect from the shithole that is Russia and the USSR.
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>>285526
>Russian cameras made from the very early stages after the war using German parts and designs were the only ones worth while.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
>> Anonymous
>>285519
It's quite decent, those were made during the better years of the industry. But only if you can find one in decent condition, which may be hard as the last of them was made in 1960.
>> Anonymous
>>285395
Oh Mr. Bond, you disappoint me... You see, it's actually both!
>> Anonymous
Honestly, I love my FED 3. Considering I paid $20 for it, it works pretty well. The Industar 61 and 50 lenses I have work well, except for the occasional weird glare problem. It's really not a bad Leica copy.

I have a Zenit slr coming in the mail. Even if it's not great, it was cheap. Plus there are a ton of decent cheap lenses designed for them.
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>>285536

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>> SAGE
>>285549
have you ever had the frame space problems
ever even held a leica?
>> Anonymous
>>285530

I do, you don't.
>> Anonymous
>>285555
Looks like we're up against a master here.
>> Anonymous
Well, I've had the same Kiev 88CM for the past 4 years, and I've shot maybe 400 rolls through it. I'd say that's pretty light use, and I've had no problems.

That is to say:
1) I haven't had any light leaks,
2) Both film backs have good spacing,
3) The shutter is still accurate,
4) The meter on the prism produces accurate exposures and is within 1/2 a stop of my DSLR,

I didn't get this camera directly from the factory, but from kievcamera.com in Atlanta, Georgia, so alot of the common problems were fixed without me even hearing about them. The one obvious difference is that there's alot of extra black flocking in the body of the camera.

If you have any specific questions, I wouldn't mind answering them with regards to this camera.
>> SAGE
>>285602
how loud is shutter
>> Anonymous
>>285606

Compared to what?

You definitely know you've taken a photo, because you hear the mirror going up and then the curtain moving. I think winding the film for the next exposure makes more noise.

The other thing with the 88CM is that the first 'rule' you get when you buy the thing is: "NEVER adjust the shutter speed with the shutter uncocked."