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What kind of camera would you suggest? Anonymous
Hey /p/
I've been thinking about getting a digital camera and a friend suggested the Canon G9 and I really liked all the features it comes with.

Although, I would also like the ability to manual focus and I've seen some pictures hes taken with different focus settings on his Canon EOS 40D...

So, what would /p/ sugest?
>> Anonymous
OP here... I guess my budget would be 500-700 dollars
>> Anonymous
I HATE GHUJELK!
>> Anonymous
canon digital rebel XTi is exactly what you're looking for, and in your price range
>> Anonymous
I can't vouch for the G9. I do, however, use a 40D.

It really comes down to whether you prefer P&S or a DSLR. Manual focus would be much easier with the 40D. I've used a Powershot S2 before, and managing the 40D is much, much easier.

Consider going to a store and getting your hands on the 40D, just to get a feel for it. If you like the ergonomics, and are willing to spend a bit more cash, go with the 40D.
>> Anonymous
buy the Canon 50D
>> Anonymous
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I have a G9 and it's a very nice camera, but really not up to the DSLR-class (I still use film for that type of shooting, so I can't help with DSLRs). By far the best point and shoot I've ever used. The manual focus works, but can be time consuming with the jog control if the auto-focus doesn't get you in the ballpark range first (ex: you're trying to focus close up and the manual focus control comes up starting at 20 feet). Also, sometimes on macro shots (esp. those with w/ narrow depth of field) it can be hard to find where the desired focus is as there can be like 6 steps that look decent, so I've just started bracketing. One of the reasons I bought it over a DSLR is portability, the extensive features made it a viable choice. It's not a pocket camera (you might fit it in there, but I wouldn't put anything mine that expensive in a pocket regardless), but much easier to lug around for museum trips or whatever where you don't need the absolute best shots. For the first time on a digital camera, I don't have any significant issues with the thing.

Here's a random picture that shows an example of a picture that would be nearly impossible without manual focus.

tl;dr
it's one of the few choices a serious photographer might make if picking a P&S.

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeCanonCamera ModelCanon PowerShot G9Maximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaLens Size7.40 - 44.40 mmFirmware VersionFirmware Version 1.00Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution180 dpiVertical Resolution180 dpiImage Created2008:08:17 15:04:26Exposure Time1/80 secF-Numberf/2.8ISO Speed Rating80Lens Aperturef/2.8Exposure Bias0 EVFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length8.20 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width4000Image Height3000RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoScene Capture TypeStandardExposure ModeAv-PriorityFocus TypeClose-Up (Macro Mode)Metering ModeEvaluativeSharpnessNormalSaturationNormalContrastNormalShooting ModeManualImage SizeLargeFocus ModeSingleDrive ModeSingleFlash ModeOffCompression SettingSuperfineMacro ModeMacroSubject Distance0.180 mWhite BalanceAutoExposure Compensation3Sensor ISO Speed149Image Number100-0511
>> Foca !ZPmgSZGczM
G9 allows manual focus. It's a pretty good camera, but it gets shit at ISO 800 and up. It does 3200 ISO, but it's emulated.

(fyi: it's not a p&s camera. p&s is fixed focus, focal length, shutter speed and aperture)
>> Anonymous
>>242759
Welcome to /p/. Everything that isn't a SLR or a rangefinder is a point & shoot in here, because insecure fags need to feel better about their rebels.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>242759
>(fyi: it's not a p&s camera. p&s is fixed focus, focal length, shutter speed and aperture)
I've always heard those referred to as "focus free" cameras. And I've never heard the G9 referred to as anything other than a P&S anywhere. "Point and Shoot" is pretty much synonymous with "compact camera", especially for digital.

>>242769
>because insecure fags need to feel better about their rebels.
I'm guessing you're too much of a poorfag to afford an SLR? ;)
>> Anonymous
>>242804
>I'm guessing you're too much of a poorfag to afford an SLR? ;)

I'm the guy who posted about getting a Minolta x-700 for free about half a year ago (I'm pretty sure you replied to the thread), so almost correct. Doesn't mean what I said isn't partly true, though.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>242870
>(I'm pretty sure you replied to the thread)
Seems like I'd remember that, given how infrequently I reply to threads...

>Doesn't mean what I said isn't partly true, though.
You're always going to get a few people who thumb their noses at people with lesser cameras than them. Doesn't mean it's really a majority voice here.

My experience has been that the majority of people here have no problems with P&S cameras. I see comments like "Proof that you don't need an SLR to take good pictures" a hell of a lot more than "This shot would've been better with an SLR"--and when I do see comments like that, it's usually because the photographer is so good that he really is hitting the limits of his equipment.

SLRs offer a hell of a lot of advantages, but most people here have thoroughly gorged themselves on the "It's the photographer, not the camera" kool-aid.
>> Anonymous
>>242918
Didn't expect you to remember, just mentioned it as an aside. My use of brackets was meant to signify that.

The point was, though, that calling a camera that's clearly built for use in manual mode a "point & shoot" is a bit, well, strange.
>> Anonymous
master of /p/ archive here

i remember the thread, name users always enjoy pretending things never happened
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>242960
>i remember the thread, name users always enjoy pretending things never happened
I'm not pretending it never happened. I was just making a joke about the fact that I feel compelled to respond to damn near every thread on this board.

>>242955
>The point was, though, that calling a camera that's clearly built for use in manual mode a "point & shoot" is a bit, well, strange.
I'll grant you strange, but it's the accepted terminology for that class of camera. Similarly, most people who get Digital Rebels probably leave the kit lens on and never stray into the part of the dial without little pictures on it, but we don't call those Point & Shoot cameras even if that's how they're being used.
>> Celotil !AN26.8FkH6
Choosing between a G9 and a 40D? Dude, seriously, between those two I'd definitely go for the 40D - better quality of lenses, much larger sensor inside.

It's like if I'd had a choice between my S5 and a 450D, I definitely would have gone with the 450D. Better lenses, much better CMOS sensor inside.
>> Anonymous
>>242918

>>"It's the photographer, not the camera" kool-aid.

thats kind of a moot point.
>> Anonymous
>>242759
Actually, I'd call 400 ISO about the limit for decent shots. Personally, I will only take it off the lowest ISO setting if I have to. If I ever take it above 200 I'd not expect to get a shot for the wall.

As for the P&S debate, I'd have to say that my understanding was that the P&S is defined by user-independent operation other than basic controls (zoom, shutter), i.e. it's automatic. And automatic is just about as good as fixed, so maybe terminology mutated a bit.

I've seen the G9 often referred to as an "advanced point and shoot" camera. Maybe that's just to call attention to it's features.
>> Macheath !8b4g0BkNZg
Given your budget, 40D ain't an option.
>> OP
OP here... after some reaserch, and a trip to curcuit city to actually handle some cameras, Its looking like its the Canon Digital rebel XTi.

Although I'll be next looking into getting a better lens...
>> Anonymous
>>243355
pentax k10/20d is the only answer faggot