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Anonymous
ignoring the noise what does /p/ think?

Photo teacher always ragging on me that the photos must have meaning
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>> Anonymous
>>43140
A photograph should have meaning, otherwise it's just a picture. In this picture, it looks like it want to say something about Marlboro and its relationship to Farenheit 451. I don't particularly understand though. The hand is lit up by something other than the lighter. It's distracting.
>> bibliophile
>>43143

"A photograph should have meaning, otherwise it's just a picture. "

that's horse shit

if it's fun or interesting to look at there you go. The mentality you have above is what you get that shit ass 'art photography' from where a bunch of stuck up critics sit in jerk circle while claiming an under exposed photo of a guy standing in a corner is good because it has something in semblance of meaning.
>> Anonymous
the only people that bitch about conceptual photography are the ones who are too mentally challenged to actually work out wtf a concept is
>> Anonymous
>>43144
Any work needs an objective, be it to communicate a message, to please the audience or to circle jerk.
>> Anonymous
I agree that having a required concept is horse shit, however I will say, that photo is an excellent statement. If you haven't read Fahrenheit 451, don't bother posting in this guys thread.
>> Anonymous
Good concept I guess, could stand to lose the Malboro branding on the lighter. It also looks a little more noisy than need be for a studio shot.
>> ac
>>43151
I dunno. To me, it just sort of goes "Message. Hey! Message! FUCKING MESSAGE, MOTHERFUCKERS!"

There's something to be said for subtlety.

Other than that, it's a good shot.
>> Anonymous
It's a good shot, except for the mentioned noice, but I think it's a bit too red. Try and change the colours a bit and see if it isn't better with more yellow..
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
aside from being an english major and mourning at the idea of burning a book, and ignoring the noise, i really like the shot! The colors are a little warm, but i think it works. How was it lit?
>> elf_man
Holy cow, I don't even like writing in the margins, that's just painful.
But I really appreciate the concept. I think the lighting on the hand actually works, in a way. Something about intentionality, while the fire is neutral.
Hah, how many layers do you want? Literary analysis of a photo illustrating a book about burning books...
>> Anonymous
There's also something to be said for pictures that are attempting to scream message versus pictures that look "plain" and "without much meaning or purpose." They are essentially one in the same and any picture, that abides by the general rules of composition, can have a meaning, no matter how farfetched it may appear to be to another photographer or critic.

That being said, I like the concept of your picture. I'll admit, not having read Fahrenheit 451 has been a hinderance to me but it does seem pretty meaningful. It would just have to require that one viewing the photograph should have a knowledge of Fahrenheit 451 and how the Marlboro lighter would be destroying it.

Good nonetheless, I like it.
>> Anonymous
Heh, I just read and summarized that book for a friend, if anything you have captured the idea of the book in one picture. Very interesting, although maybe try getting rid of the Malboro branding. I love it.
>> Anonymous
>>43162
then dear anon may like to know that I still have the book and that it is 100% readable. Only that one corner is singe because I sprayed lighter fluid on it which is most of what burned before i put it out.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>43192

Okay, makes me feel a bit better. :) as long as it's still readable. You've got more guts than I do, most of my books are antique.

Anyway. Aside from the aforementioned stuff (i'm not big on "framing" a border photo either) I like the photo and the idea, lighting, etc.

As for "meaning", your professor is full of crap that everything always has to have an outward morning, since hopefully any photograph a photographer takes has some sort of meaning to them. So out of curiosity, let me ask you this: how were you feeling when you took the picture, and what does it mean to you?
>> elf_man
Now you need to make a paper man, set it on fire, and photograph it. Might make for a neat series. If you used magazine paper, the ink might make some interesting flame colors.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>43214

Ohh, this is a cool idea. There IS an event out here called burning man, I think, but i've never gone to it.

>>43208
Cool. Its always interesting to find out what the photographer felt at the time. I take it you finally got a better camera than you had?
>> elf_man
>>43216
Well it's the illustration on the cover of the edition he's holding.
>> Liska !!LIVFOETqL8j
>>43218

This is what happens when I don't have my glasses on. Thanks; I always end up looking more at the corner of the flame and the hand, not what was on the cover.
>> elf_man
Oh, you can't see it in his picture. I'm just familiar with the cover, and I love the illustration.
>> Anonymous
"All photos must have meaning" is such vague bullshit. Form and color can be meaning in themselves.
>> ac
>>43268
>Form and color can be meaning in themselves.
Er. That being the case, how is "All photographs should have meaning" not true?
>> Anonymous
Because it's redundant. That's like saying, "All computers must be powered by electricity."
>> Anonymous
>>43280
Well technically, an abacus is a computer, but isn't powered by electricity :P
>> Anonymous
>>43216
canon 30d : ) need to get some better lenses though
>> ac
>>43280
That's not actually true, though. Babbage's difference engine, for instance, was steam powered. And the original definition for "computer" was a person who sat in a room and ran numbers manually. Those are powered by delicious foods.
>> Anonymous
lol never mind. It's just that some ppl think that photos have to be "deep" and "full of imagery" and shit