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Anonymous
Sony rumor:

the A900 will be €2630 - 3160 or $4092 to $4917.

LOLCANIKON.
>> Anonymous
HIROSHIMA ALL OVER AGAIN
>> Anonymous
oh fuck

that's right at the d3.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
LOL... like it's going to make a difference to Canon or Nikon.
>> Anonymous
You could buy an M8 for that price! Why would anyone spend so much money when you could get a better camera for cheaper?
>> Anonymous
>>203873


devil's advocate:

it'll make a difference to pros if they can get a FF 22mp sensor for (possibly) less than the price of a D3 and half the price of a 1ds.
>> Anonymous
It's still a Sony.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>203879

Not when they're more than likely entrenched in Canon Lenses or to a lesser extent Nikkors.

You think the camera price will make a difference when the lens selection will be the main criteria?

I realise you're laying advocate but pros are able to claim equipment back on tax anyway since it's essential to their occupation.

If anything would make them change it'll be the lens selection or ridiculously good features.

Sony may have better features in the camera, but we all know that's not something that lasts long. The lenses, well that speaks for itself.
>> Anonymous
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>>203882


cause sony's so new to the digital imaging field and everything.
>> Anonymous
>$4092 to $4917

HOLY SHIT, THE PRECISION!
>> Anonymous
>>203884


Very true, i realize that very few (if any) 'pros' use(d) the minolta a mount. However, you're still going to attract a decent amount of rich newbs that aren't really that invested into a system yet.
>> Anonymous
>>203885
Cause Sony's optics are the best in the world and at the best price in the market for certain. </sarcasm>
>> Anonymous
Hold on, why does it even matter? Is every Canikon photographer EVEN buying a fullframe?
>> Anonymous
>>203884
>You think the camera price will make a difference when the lens selection will be the main criteria?
It's full-frame. So yes.
>> Anonymous
>>203890


When you're paying $250,000 for a HD studio cam, price is the least of your concern.
>> Anonymous
>>203893


You're basically paying a quarter of a mil cause it kicks ass.
>> Anonymous
>>203890
Sony? Mmm, probably not. Carl Zeiss? FUCK YEAH!
>> Anonymous
>>203893
Im not talking about the fucking HD cam, Im talking about their 'zeiss' branded crap tubes for DSLRs.
>> Anonymous
>>203899
Enjoy your Cosina.
>> Anonymous
>>203901
>Enjoy your razor-sharpness, huge-fast glass, and neutral life-like colors.
Okay thanks I will lol.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>203889

ahh yes, i will certainly agree with that part.

But at the same time, the number of noobs who would be able to fork out that much for a camera let along the extra thousands for the lenses are very very few.
>> Anonymous
>>203907
And I'll enjoy my Nikon with better qualities for half the price you pay for your shit.
>> Anonymous
>>203922
>>203899
>>203901
>>203890
>>203885
>>203868

your camera's brand is a proxy for your miserable ego = sad
>> Blackadder !!bSWRwu/NqzQ
It's always a good thing for a new camera to come out. If some of you guys will be spending the $4000-5000 or more on this camera and extras then best of luck to you. I would have no qualms about switching to whatever suited me if the occasion ever came up.

The more competition, the better it is for the market and the consumers. I welcome it all.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>203885
bumping thread just because of this picture.
>> Anonymous
>>203994
i came.
>> Anonymous
>>203901
True, but there's really nothing wrong with Cosina. They're also still Zeiss designed.
>> Anonymous
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OH HI GUYS WATZ UP

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>> Anonymous
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>>204066

NM U?

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>> Depressed Cheesecake !wFh1Fw9wBU
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>>204070
Am I performing the action in the designated matter, as they say?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>204081
I think the CZ have you beat on lens hoods there.
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>>204081


you are indeed.

That's the ZA 135 1.8 and the ZA 85 1.4.


picture slightly related.

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>> Anonymous
>>204081


lol @ lens hoods 1/4 the cost of the lens.


[/enjoys free hoods and cases.]
>> Anonymous
>>204098

shitty slow zoom is shitty and slow
>> Anonymous
>>204108


G quality zoom is cheap but slow.
>> Martin !!7Y/4hgHhvM/
she looks like mud
>> Anonymous
>>204110

rofl at "G quality"
>> Anonymous
>>204181
cause minolta's g lenses weren't kick ass or anything.
>> Anonymous
>>204100
lol @ math
cause every lens is worth around 80 bucks.
>> Anonymous
>>204100
no such thing as "free", chump. the cost of making it has to be paid for somehow.
>> Anonymous
>>204429
But the actual cost of a hood to make is around 22 cents.
>> Anonymous
>>204451
How much do you think 10, 20 dollar UV filters are worth to make, seriously?
>> Anonymous
>>204451
IT'S CALLED BUSINESS, YOU FUCKING COMMUNIST.
>> Anonymous
>>204452
Around 75 cents, I presume. But I stomach a 1300% markup more easily than a 18,200% markup. So lol @ Canikon, especially L(OL) lenses.
>> Anonymous
>>204468
LOL the same cost is added to sony systems too as they need to make profit just like canon and nikon. Profit=success. If sony don't make as much profit then they'd be failures.
>> Anonymous
>>204372


http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS242&q=canon+lens+hoods&um=1&ie=
UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title


fail.
>> Anonymous
ITT: too much LOLing
>> Anonymous
>>204491
lrn2economics
>> Anonymous
>>204472
>LOL the same cost is added to sony systems too as they need to make profit just like canon and nikon.
LOL no it's not and LOL you're stupid.
>If sony don't make as much profit then they'd be failures.
They kind of are in the digital SLR camera world. The reason why they're still in the game in order to get people latched onto their systems is because they have their hands in hundreds of other consumer electronics markets, unlike Canon and Nikon.
>> Anonymous
>>204531LOL no it's not and LOL you're stupid.

lolwut

i guess you're right, when the cz lenses are 50% more expensive lol
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>>204531
>>204531
Do you stand by that statement?

Take a little reading.

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>> Anonymous
>>204592

but you get a free lens hood!1 lol
>> Anonymous
>>204531
LOL 100 DOLLAR LENS HOOD
>> Anonymous
>>204595
Pro tip: so does the canon, and a lens case.
>> Anonymous
>>204597

protip: that was sarcasm
>> Anonymous
>>204598
Ah. Sorry, missed it, considering /p/s full of LOL BUT THIS SHITS BETTER JUST BECAUSE kind of fags tonight.
>> noclue !!2yUmAID3520
i was considering getting a 5d next year, but if sony puts up good competition this might mean two different things:
first: canons price tags sink
second: sony beats the shit out of the others offering some kick-ass geat for the same money

= the comsumer wins in any case
>> Anonymous
>>204531
you got OWNED motherfucker
>> Anonymous
I would never buy a sony dslr. I mean... cmon, seriously?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
this thread sure went downhill fast.

Someone post more sonyporn.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>204739

What? A 5D will always be cheaper than any current or future FF cameras... Next year a 5D could probably be had for about 1300-1500 dollars, it's a great camera. Before the D300 came out i was ready to switch to Canon myself.

>>second: sony beats the shit out of the others offering some kick-ass geat for the same money

I'm baffled by that statement. Please tell me what features that Sony has which none of its competitors have... for the same money.
>> Anonymous
Enjoy your $4092 to $4917 webcam.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>204754
They dont, sony have just priced lower so you can get a live view sony for the price of a D80 or something. (which is pointless because live view is shit)

Sony have a very agressive pricing atmo which is giving them the price/performane edge, afaik there is nothing the Alpha can do that canikons cant.
>> Anonymous
>>204754
Uh, Quick AF and DRO+ (for JPEG shooters)?
>> Anonymous
>>204761
JPEG doesn't matter.

AF speed is fast enough in any modern camera that uses non-contrast-detect AF for anything, and if you need the shutter to go as soon as one presses the button, with anyone one needs to set it to manual.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>204760

Overall though the pricing of Sony's lenses is the problem. At least in terms of attracting enthusiasts.

Live view is a marketing tool, but i've posted that Thom Hogan article where new features is not the end all, especially for new players.

The price/performance and bang for you buck is good with Sony, i don't think i'll argue that. But better than any other company? That's the harder question eh.

>>204761

I don't actually know what DRO+ is and since i shoot raw, i probably never will.

Sony certainly doesn't have an edge on AF.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>204771
yes sony lenses new are amazingly expensive, the lack of a 50/1.7 (1.4 only) doesnt help and most of the cheap minolta gear has been bought by new alpha users now.

DRO is dynamic range optimisation, it automagically brightens the shadows to give better range overal (nothing you cant do better using raw tho).

AF for us is noisy in body for the most part, great for compatibility but its nothing better than anyone elses.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>204778

yeah overall i've always thought it's silly to hate on any brand... like it's fuckin hilarious to see some of the shit on dpreview forums.. it's like the dickheads there gave birth to Nikon and Canon and whatever and have to defend their children.

I never got that. You're purchasing into a product... that you had no say in making... just shows people will defend anything...

The point is though, Sony's push will be damn good news to everyone else. I hope the 4/3 do a good push too, taking market share away from the 85% that Canon and Nikon share can actually only be a good thing.

It'll really force em to get their shit together.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>204779
Yeah thats the best thing, 2 companies alone is not so bad but with 3 major companies trying to get the consumer market and 3 smaller ones it should really hot up the tech.

At least i hope the tech and not just pricing their way to winning because sony could easily beat canon and nikon at that game should they want too.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>204780

You had me till that last sentence.

Of course they want to, but can they?

Not in the foreseeable future. Unless of course Canon and Nikon fuck up majorly. Even then, it's more likely one of the two major brands fucks up and you see this back and forth movement from Nikon to Canon and vicer versa as we've seen in recent memory.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>204791
I dont ever expect them to do that, by "should they want to" i mean by sacrificing the marketing budget for 1/2 of their company just to throw it at the alphas, along with 1/2 of the RnD and Manufacturing budget. That coupled with refusing to sell sensors to Nikon et all could have a massive result in the photography world.

Ofcourse I dont ever think that could happen, sony wont ever be that crazy (famous last words no?) but even if Sony got 1/2 the market share of canon, it would be a major force in the photog world.

Talking of sony's marketing, do they outsell canon in P&S with inferior gear? I dont like sonys P&S but it wouldnt surprise me that their brand carries them to #1.
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>>204779
Oh, hay guise. I heard somebody mention fast autofocus and 4/3's?

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>> Anonymous
>>204799

Who the fuck pays that much for FOUR THIRDS

0/10
>> Anonymous
>>204807
I'm trying to T_T
>> Anonymous
sage
>> Anonymous
>>204799
>>204807
Haw haw, that must be some fucking joke.

>>204819
You have my condolences.

>>204795
>That coupled with refusing to sell sensors to Nikon et all could have a massive result in the photography world.

Nikon would get fucking pwned if that happened. (Not like there arent other companies that make sensors, right, but it would be a setback)
>> Anonymous
Hey...

Gear faggot..

Let it go.
>> Anonymous
>>204761Uh, Quick AF and DRO+ (for JPEG shooters)?

lol..