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eagle
hi
Im looking to venture into medium format
whats a good starter camera?

i do not want a TLR, just too big and heavy. something i can handhold and with a 80mm lens. will take 120 film, and not the lame 6x4.5, just no. i was thinking a old Voigtlaender folder, or hasselblad 500?

id love a maimya 6 or 7 but so expensive
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
Bronica SQ.
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
>>247805
PS: NIKKOR NIKKOR NIKKOR NIKKOR NIKKOR *froth*
>> eagle
>>247805
looks like a lot of camera for the money. are they fairly durable?
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
>>247811
If you get a used one I'd expect to replace the light seals, but yeah, I've used an SQ before and it felt great. People didn't buy into it as much as Hasselblad because of the whole German/Japanese camera war booshit (and to be fair, 'blad has a better professional support network), but Nikon makes a lot of the glass for the system, and the Zenzanons are pretty sick too.
>> eagle
>>247820
who makes the lenses for maimya? ive never seen sharper than what they use.
>> Anonymous
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>>247820
I shoot Hasselblad and if you think support is the reason people shoot with it you know nothing about it. First, Hasselblad's support isn't very good (at least from the Hasselblad USA). The good news is that if you know what you are doing, you rarely will need support. What makes Hasselblad is that it is 1) a complete system - there are more options and accesories than any other MF. There are also almost no incompatiblities (the one between the lens without shutters and 500 series bodies is the only significant one. 2) the glass really is better, there was a Bronica ad where they had some sample shots, the ad guys didn't realize that 'Blads have notches on the back (2 on one side). In the ad you can see these notches and who shoots with one know the shots where actually take with a Hasselblad! Hasselbad is ridiculously expensive and I could have twice or even 3 times as big a rig in Bronica or Mamiya. It's not perfect but if you have the bucks and you like MF SLR it's the best
<---- two of my babies
my first 500C with an 80mm Planar
and my 501c/m with a 60mm distagon

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>> Anonymous
Mamiyas or Hasselblad.

I have 501cm, RZ67 and m645.

Really the glass between them two really isn't that great, but of course the blad looks cool and retro.
>> Anonymous
Holga. It has to be a Holga.
>> Anonymous
>>247792
btw - OP
although I shoot Hasselblad, TLR (as long as not Mamiya 330 etc) is MUCH lighter than a say a 500C with a Planar attached
>> des
>>247820
I'd second the SQ and if you go for one of the later SQAIs, you won't pay that much more and it'll likely be in much better repair.

OP, if you're not looking for a system camera, the fuji folding rangefinders are great. Haven't tried the AF ones.
>> Anonymous
>i do not want a TLR, just too big and heavy.

newfag has never used a TLR. enjoy missing out on great cameras, while i go cuddle with my Rolleicord I
>> Anonymous
>>247921
truth. any folding voight or a hassy will be heavier than a small TLR. unless you're talking about a Mamiya C330 or something.
>> Anonymous
>>247852
beat me>>247923to it.
>> Anonymous
>>247923
Plus, TLRs just look cool, even my cheapo Yashicamat.
>> Serenar !m827jEgWi.
Just get a TLR unless you really plan on building a system. Folders are cool but it's goddamn hard to find a good condition one these days - google Certo 6 to find a site selling CLA'ed ones, but some people have had bad experiences with that guy.
>> eagle
>>247957
you cannot compare a TLR to a maimya 6
>> Anonymous
>>248073
and why not?
>> s
>>248075

It causes cancer.
>> Anonymous
I have a Chinese knockoff TLR (seagull) and a Voigtlander Perkeo. Both are nice cameras but the Voigtlander is a much more tactile experience. TLRs are neat but the folders are just that much cooler, IMO.

Voigtlanders have a 75mm lens but I don't know if that matters to you or what.
>> Anonymous
>>248075
Because they're totally different kinds of cameras. The only similarity is that they both use film. It's like comparing a sponge and a vacuum cleaner... they both clean stuff, but that's about where the similarities end.
>> eagle
>>248091
yes im leaning towards the nicest folder i can find. i heard Fujica is making a new 120 filder.

i was trying and trying to convince myself to get a TLR, but they are just bulky and take so much room in the bag.

Bronica people what do you think of the Bronica RF645? its a bunch lighter than the Bronica SQ.
>> Anonymous
Theres always the 120 SLR's. Pentacon 6, Kiev 60 and 88 to name a few.
Being an owner I wouldn;t recommend the Kiev's unless your really into ghetto photography and don't mind 'workarounds'. Unless you get one of those ARAX rebuilds or similar.
>> Anonymous
>>248093
you're not very smart, are you?

The only way a person can find out for sure which is right for them is by comparing them. It's not like "comparing a sponge and a vacuum cleaner". All camera are designed to take pictures.

>>248573
RF645 is a great camera, the problem is that it's difficult to find anything except the 65mm lens on the used market.
>> eagle
>>248576
yes looks like the RF645 wont fit my needs.
>> eagle
how about this

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost-classifieds/showproduct.php/product/12272/limit/recent

its a beauty for sure
>> eagle
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hows this sound

Hasselblad 500C. This setup includes a Zeiss Planar 80mm F2.8, a 120 back, body, waist level finder, and dark slide. I purchased this recently from a member here who had just resealed the back. I just had the Planar CLA'd and I'll include the receipt. I am asking only what I've put into it. This is a stunning camera and capable of very highly quality results in good hands. I will part this out if I get an offer on one main piece. Price: $600 plus insured shipping

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>> Anonymous
>>249305
are you an IDIOT??
in your first post you said that you didn't want a TLR because it was too bulky. A 500C is much heavier and bulkier than a Rolleiflex, or Yashicamat, etc, etc
>> Anonymous
>>247792
op check out the agfa super isolette, its a folding rangefinder that is 'fully automated' compared to most other folders. the rangefinder is coupled, and it counts frames for you :D you would need to get a meter to go with it to, and when i used one the guy lent me a voigtlander hot shoe meter. its a great camera that will produce very good quality shots (70mm 3.5 is awesome) and is VERY compact compared to ANY other MF option. check out certo6's website for more.

http://www.certo6.com/
>> Anonymous
also, the super isolette can be had for less than 400 on ebay, CLA'd and everything by certo6 himself.
>> Anonymous
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I recently acquired a Moskava 5 and would recommend that if you're considering old folders. It's similar to a Zeiss Ikonta C, but lots cheaper. It has a coupled rangefinder, a fixed 105mm f/3.5 coated lens, and can switch between 6x6 and 6x9. It's not in the same class as my Hasselblad (which I recently sold because it was too heavy and I never bothered to take it out of the apartment), but it's still quite good and I love the 6x9 format, plus it was 1/30 the price . I'd post some pics but I don't have access to a film scanner at the moment.