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Anonymous
LOL CANON

They just launched the 1000d.

so much for canonfags drooling over the 5d mkII.
>> Anonymous
Damn, I thought this was a trolling at first. What the hell, Canon?
>> Anonymous
Rumours on dpreview.com say a 5D successor will be come in the Fall.
>> Anonymous
they also released the 430exII.

LOL
>> Depressed Cheesecake !wFh1Fw9wBU
So much for the 5D MKII ... that's a totally different class of a camera. This is just another prosumer SLR.
>> Anonymous
lolwut
>> $19.99 !OSYhGye6hY
Looks like they're trying to capture more photo noobs into their system. Looks pretty interesting. I wonder how much it'll retail for.
>> Anonymous
anybody have a picture?

inb4 TOMY
>> Depressed Cheesecake !wFh1Fw9wBU
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www.engadget.com
www.dpreview.com
www.pcmag.com

Canon EOS 1000D! Canon's new entry range DSLR the 1000D has just been announced. It offers many of the features inherited from the Canon's professional models, in an affordable, easy to use package.
The 1000D boasts:

* 10.1 MP CMOS sensor
* Up to 3fps
* 7-point wide-area AF
* Self-Cleaning Image Sensor
* 2.5” LCD with Live View mode
* DIGIC III processor
* SD/SDHC card slot
* Picture Styles processing
* Compact and lightweight
* Compatible with EF/EF-S lenses and EX Speedlites
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
so, basically, the 400d and 450d had too much fun after the party?
>> Anonymous
>>202074
Oh hey, look, the direct print button is dual-functioned with the WB button, great
>> Anonymous
>>202074


it's like a fucking partial birth abortion.
>> Anonymous
total nikon low end dslr killer
>> Anonymous
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
>> Anonymous
>>202085
the whole point ;D

mwahahahhaah....MWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
>> Anonymous
Isn't the 400D going to compete with this?
>> Anonymous
Lol, 1000D? Nice try troll.

/goes to dpreview.com
FUUUUUUUCK
>> Anonymous
I just made a post saying how Canon should make a lower end DSLR to compete with the Nikon D40.

This is perfect. I think I might get this if it is cheap enough (around $500).
>> Anonymous
>>202105

It is supposed to be $500 USD with kit lens (18-55)
and $350 USD by itself.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>202097
Same here =/
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>202110
for $350 I may buy a body to be lensmates with my 400d.
>> Anonymous
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW
>> Anonymous
>>202110
I was planning on buying a 400D (XTi) this summer with the 18-55 IS for about $650 (the XSi was too expensive).

Now that the XS is going to be out, is there any reason why I shouldn't get it? I still need to read its specifications and compare it to the 400D.
>> Anonymous
Although the rebel xts are still for sale in alot of places, this is a pretty good move for canon. The uninformed would rather buy a brand new camera than one that is like 3 years old.
>> Anonymous
>>202127
I think I'll get the 1000D and get a nicer lens with the money I save. It's a win win situation.
>> Lynx !!KY+lVSl0s2m
I fucking lold when I saw this was true.
I'm really rooting for the 5d mkII tho, might be enough for a brand switch for me.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>202135
a switch which way?
>> Anonymous
>>202136
to sony.
>> Anonymous
>>202137
So now that it wasn't announced, you'll stick with Canon?
>> Anonymous
We keep talking about the 1000D. Have you looked at its american name? Digital Rebel XS. Rebel XS. Rebel Excess.
>> Lynx !!KY+lVSl0s2m
>>202148
I quit reading when I saw "Rebel"
>> Anonymous
>>202154
Non-american-Fag.
>> Anonymous
>>202154
I would have as well. : /
Im out for a 5D equivalent or something, but not yet. Long time til I actually go for one.
>> Anonymous
>>202156
No, thats not what he meant. He felt bummed out when he read that the new model wasnt the 5D equivalent he was holding out for.
>> Anonymous
The 5DmkII is going to be called the Digital Renegade...
>> Anonymous
>>202160
I'm not sure if I like it or hate it.
>> Lynx !!KY+lVSl0s2m
>>202158
Exactly. I'd love a FF cam, but if I get the money for a D300 before a 5d mkII comes out, I'll proably stick to Nikons for digital.
>> Anonymous
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Ok, here's a comparison of the 1000D to the 450D and 400D. Look's like I'll get the 1000D if the price is right (AKA cheap or cheaper than the 400D).
>> Anonymous
>>202172
Ackk, one thing that Canon's specification page didn't mention was the 1000D and 450D use Digic III while the 400D uses a Digic II. Not sure if that makes any difference in the real world, but still.

Btw, I only listed stuff that was changed. All other stuff are identical.
>> Meese !iZn5BCIpug
>>202172
O SHIT I DIDN'T KNOW MY CAMERA DIDN'T HAVE NOISE REDUCTION FOR LONG EXPOSURES O WAIT IT DOES. IN CONCLUSION I CLAIM THAT ENTIRE COMPARISON IS WRONG.
>> Anonymous
>>202176
Well, it wasn't listed on the Canon site, so I didn't list it. Not sure if you are trying to be funny or trolling, but if you already have a Rebel, this list isn't for you.
>> Anonymous
>>202176
Well, it wasn't listed on the Canon site, so I didn't list it. Notice how I didn't highlight those features red because I wasn't sure if the 400D had them.

Not sure if you are trying to be funny or trolling, but if you already have a Rebel, this list isn't for you.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
okay i'm not seeing this as a challenge to Nikon or really any other DSLR manufacturer.

I do however see this as one of the last nails on the coffin of 'bridge' cameras.

Seriously, those larger P&S have had its last few days.
>> Anonymous
>>202172
On more careful review (looking at the DPreview site), this camera will probably $699. Still a good deal. $500 seemed way too low.
>> Anonymous
>>202197
There is a market for those cameras. For example, many bridge cameras have a much more versatile zoom range (up to 420mm equiv) and a min focusing distance of a few mm. And they are half the price and weight of an SLR.
>> Lynx !!KY+lVSl0s2m
>>202202
and if you take more than half a second to look at the pics you'll realize how much noise there is and how the prints are shit. also, most people have no concept of a minimum focusing distance, ex: myspace.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202202

There won't be a market for much longer.

Compare the price of a G9 to the 1000D

The image quality trade off is enormous.

The only real advantage that the P&S have over the DSLRs is Video mode.

The zoom range aspect is valid, but would rarely be used and is usually so poor that it's nothing more the marketing.

Which let's be honest, is what sells P&S.
>> Anonymous
>>202206
I have a point and shoot only and will upgrade to a dSLR once this 1000D comes out. But from the test shots with a 450D inside a store, the image quality wasn't too much better than my A520. The only thing that was better was the amount of noise at higher ISO settings.

But I hope that once I get used to my DSLR, it'll be as good as everyone says they are.
>> Anonymous
>>202206
There will always be a market for P&S for their compact and handy nature. SLRs can't compete with that.
>> Anonymous
>>202207

You compared image quality using the shitty onboard LCDs?
>> Anonymous
>>202213
Lol. Where did you get that from?

The images I got were always so soft that I thought they were out of focus (maybe they were and the lens was misaligned or whatever). Compared to my point and shoot, the lens wasn't much clearer even though it had 3x the megapixels. (I took test shots of some text on the wall)
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202209

Bridge cameras, i'm talking about you Lumix Fz50 and the like.

Digital Compacts are a whole other story.

>>202229

I'm gonna go right ahead and say user error.

Unless you're talking about 6x4 prints or something with lower resolution.

DSLR pictures have better DR, noise control and Image quality.

Obviously if you used a shitty kit lens at wide open instead of stopping down it will make a difference too.
>> Anonymous
>>202230
I would have said user error too until I saw test shots from review sites using the 18-55 IS kit lens. Anyways, we've strayed long enough from the topic and I'll find out for myself if SLRs are worth the money once I get one for myself.
>> Blackadder !!bSWRwu/NqzQ
>>202230

I have a bridge camera that I would use in situations that would be too risky or inconvenient to use the SLR. One bridge camera sure packs easier than a DSLR body, accessories and lenses. If I'm only taking holiday snaps it really doesn't matter and if it's in a situation where space is a premium or there is a real risk of something happening to the camera it makes sense too.

It's nice having a light and relatively compact all-in-one with the familiar layout and grip of SLRs.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202234

yeah but you see that compact advantage isn't going to be there for much longer.

The D40 is tiny, and the 1000D is probably even smaller.
>> Anonymous
I know it is very unlikely, but I wish the 1000D would come out this month since I'm going to my family reunion over the Fourth of July weekend and wanted a better camera to take along. Oh well.
>> Anonymous
Maybe canon is trolling us all?
>> Anonymous
bump for all the Atlantic coast anons.
>> Anonymous
There's an optional vertical grip too, so you can look OMGPRO.

1000d = D40/x/60 = hipster garbage.
>> Anonymous
>>202294
so you can't basically you can't afford one ...
>> Anonymous
shit, every idiot will now a DSLR.
>> eku !8cibvLQ11s
>>202304

That probably isn't such a bad thing. Now lame dslr owners look like photogods in the eyes of non dslr owners.
But, now as everyone can afford dslr, they don't look all that great, and better photogs gets more attention.
>> Anonymous
>>202304
live-view makes this statement true.
>> Anonymous
>>202300
Your logic makes no sense. If he couldn't previously afford a DSLR, don't you think he would be praising a new cheap DSLR and not bashing it?

>>202304
+1000
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>202294
a vertical grip? You mean, like, almost every entry level DSLR that Canikon has put out in the last 5 years has had available? WOW!
>> Anonymous
>>202197okay i'm not seeing this as a challenge to Nikon or really any other DSLR manufacturer.

Olympus, Pentax and Sony are not big enough to compete directly yet.

So that leaves us with Nikon.

Where is Nikon's $500-600 body with Live View?

Random Joe goes at Best Buy, sees a D60 and XS, both have stabilized lenses, one has Live View. Game over, man.
>> Anonymous
>>202127Now that the XS is going to be out, is there any reason why I shouldn't get it?

The AF sensors on the XTi are still superior. Cross type with f/2.8 and 2 extra AF points.

The XS is simply the XTi with Live View.

No 14-bit A/D from the XSi, no spot meter, smaller buffer than the XSi.
>> Anonymous
>>2022941000d = D40/x/60 = hipster garbage.

>>202310You mean, like, almost every entry level DSLR that Canikon has put out in the last 5 years has had available?

That's funny because Nikon doesn't make grips for the D40 and D60.
>> Anonymous
>>202345
That's a bad thing, not a good thing.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>202345
Oh that's right, none of the vert grips for the D40 or D60 have shutter buttons, only batteries!

That's an advantage, wut?
>> Anonymous
>>202348

I didn't say it was bad or good.

I'm just saying it's funny because Nikon doesn't make grips for those cameras and one is like LOL vertical grip OMGPRO and the other thinks Nikon has been making one for the past 5 years.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
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>>202351
I didn't say Nikon made one, read again. I said that nearly every camera made by Canon and Nikon in the past 5 years has one available. Even if there weren't non-shutter grips available for the D40 and D60, the "nearly every camera" part would still stand.
>> Anonymous
>>202342

LOL my 40D has live view.. you cant autofocus with live view on.. I pretty much never use it.. although it could be useful for manual pre-focus shooting from the hip which i now think i should start doing.
>> Anonymous
>>202357

Backing out of a wrong statement.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>202362
FACT: vertical battery grips are available for every Canon DSLR, vertical battery grips (sans shutter for the D40, D60) are available for every Nikon DSLR to my knowledge.

Who made a wrong statement, exactly?
>> Anonymous
>>202365
There isn't one for the D70s but there are third party ones which I don't trust.
>> Anonymous
>>202529
third party counts as "available".
>> Anonymous
OK, enough faggotry and bickering. Does the 1000D have an ISO button? The viewfinder at least shows the ISO unlike the XTi.
>> Anonymous
Is there any information around when this is going to hit the stores?
>> Anonymous
>>202601

exact same body as XSi, minus the 3.0" screen and rubberized grips

so yes, dedicated ISO button is there
>> Anonymous
>>202612
Awesome. Who would buy an XSi for $300 more? For the more fps (esp in raw) and the 2 more AF points? Seems like Canon is cannibalizing their own market.
>> Anonymous
>>202642

uh, no one announced an official price yet

you get a larger screen
14 bit a/d
spot meter
3.5 fps vs. 1.5 fps for RAW
larger buffer
f/2.8 cross point, + 2 AF points

the XS is here to beat the D60
the XSi is here to fight against the next D80
>> Anonymous
>>202642
bigger viewfinder and spot metering is always good.
>> Anonymous
Why do companies always shoot themselves in the ass when it comes to names?

The replacement for the D60 would, logically, be the D70. OH WAIT.

Two generations down, the D80 will be the D100. Hmm, haven't I heard that name before?

The 450D? In ten generations, it would, logically, be the 1000D. Isn't that what we're talking about now?

Why not name it like something like this:

FX pro model: Nikon FX-P[rofessional]-I, II, III, etc.
DX pro model: Nikon DX-P[rofessional]-I
DX just below pro: Nikon DX-A[dvanced]-I
D80 level: Nikon DX-whatever-I
Consumer: Nikon DX-B[asic]-I
>> Anonymous
>>202660

because that would be way too simple for the japanese

they know the way of the ninja
>> Anonymous
>>202660
Oh, I forgot one:

DX-G[imped]-I for the D40. Fits right in with the stupid G lens concept.
>> Anonymous
>>202644
I still don't think those features are worth it.

>> you get a larger screen
who cares
>>14 bit a/d
I've yet to see an improvement.
>>spot meter
Useful
>>3.5 fps vs. 1.5 fps for RAW
Depends on the user. Some need that, most don't.
>>larger buffer
See above
>>f/2.8 cross point, + 2 AF points
Shouldn't make too much of a difference, but I'm not knowledgeable in the area. If the 1000D doesn't have f/2.8 cross point, what does it have?
>> Anonymous
>>202688I still don't think those features are worth it.

breaking news, you != everyone else
>> Anonymous
>>202688
You buy it for the larger viewfinder, and if you don't get why that's important in an SLR, go to the camera store and compare an E-420 and 1Ds Mk. III, or even an XTi and 40D.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
No point arguing over the features.

The 1000D is gonna sell like hotcakes.

Expect more teenage photographers on flickr and deviantart.
>> Anonymous
>>202717

you mean more sweet sweet jailbait?
>> Anonymous
>>202693
Think about who is buying Digital Rebels.

>>202705
Then why get an XSi instead of a 40D or 30D?

My point is that this is too close to the 450D to be a different line (the 1xxx line). It is almost like Nikon's D40/D40x.
>> Anonymous
>>202723

dude..

newbies and people who don't give a fuck will get the XS

advanced newbies will get the XSi

HOLY FUCK I JUST BLEW MY MIND
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202719

lol... so i guess decent quality photos with no noise will turn up on /b/
>> Anonymous
>>202726

those unfocused and blurry photos ruin my fap

now we will have clean high ISO shots with nice shallow DOF to fap to
>> Anonymous
>>202717
You make this sound like a bad thing. Unless you think you are the only one privileged enough to take pictures with an SLR, this will only help the market. People who were too poor to afford SLRs before will be given the opportunity to take great photos.
>> Anonymous
>>202723Then why get an XSi instead of a 40D or 30D?

because a lot of starting amateurs have a budget of under $1,000? that's why canon fought so hard to get the first dslr under that price years back

$1,000 gets you a twin lens kit or $899 gets you the kit

$1,000 doesn't even buy you a 40D body (except the current rebates)
>> Anonymous
>>202723
>Then why get an XSi instead of a 40D or 30D?

People shouldn't, but they might not be able to afford a x0D series.

>My point is that this is too close to the 450D to be a different line (the 1xxx line). It is almost like Nikon's D40/D40x

Yeah, definitely, it's stupid as hell to have them both. But it should be the 1000D that doesn't exist, not the 450D.
>> Anonymous
>>202734Yeah, definitely, it's stupid as hell to have them both. But it should be the 1000D that doesn't exist, not the 450D.

why?

$500-600 XS

$700-800 XSi

$1,000+ 40D

the segments are there

Sony has THREE fucking cameras at the low end

Canon needs the XS there to undercut the D60 and the Sonys
>> Anonymous
When you think about it, canon probably doesn't care. It probably cost them nothing to design the 1000d, so if they get more people buying into their system, they're happy.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202732

LOL butthurt teen ;)

Where did I say it was a bad thing?

Did you read my earlier posts in regards to the causal effect this will have on the DSLR and Bridge camera markets?

And don't rush into equating SLR with better quality photos. Goto flickr and see the tons of shit taken with 40D and D200 alike.
>> Anonymous
>>202732
>People who were too poor to afford SLRs before will be given the opportunity to take great photos.

It's not bad that more people would be able to afford it, it's people who don't know what they're doing getting it, the sort of kid who looks at a Cartier-Bresson and bitches about it being "blurry." (There was a Flickr troll of this once.) Larger budget = more commitment needed = less casual dumbasses.

So, yes, it's good more people who want to will be able to move to a larger format from small sensor cameras. But lots of them are going to be the sort that look at their camera as a gadget like an iPod.
>> Anonymous
>>202737
Fair enough. But the next iteration of the xxxD line better have some serious features to compete the xxxxD line.
>> Anonymous
>>202743
...then canon gets money to finally make us a 5d II!
>> Anonymous
>>202737
Yeah, and so what? Someone has to save up another $200? That's twenty dollars out of ten paychecks. There will be a small number of people who genuinely are unable to afford an XSi, but

It's stupid consumerist pandering. It might make sense business wise for Canon, but that can all go to hell. I'm sick of companies already making huge profits putting out lower quality products with no pride of design, engineering, or worksmanship just to make a few extra bucks they don't need. Ruining material culture and capitalism for everyone.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202741

>>if they get more people buying into their system, they're happy

like any other slr manufacturer. It's the dream.
>> Anonymous
>>202749

it's not like they don't have the money, more like there's not enough money there to make

it's not like the 5D was a huge seller and it costs a lot to make

they still make it this day so they can go HAR HAR look at our $2,000 full frame camera
>> Anonymous
>>202742
Oh come on. Don't hide the fact that you think you are better than me.

I don't give a shit if people use their camera for nothing but snapshots and blurry photos. This gives people who know what they are doing to take good photos on a digital SLR.
>> Anonymous
>>202752
*but most people who can afford a 1000D can afford a 450D.
>> Anonymous
>>202752Yeah, and so what? Someone has to save up another $200? That's twenty dollars out of ten paychecks.

a lot of those people probably don't even have jobs and their parents buy it for them?

>> There will be a small number of people who genuinely are unable to afford an XSi

which is why we have the XS

>> It might make sense business wise for Canon

that's all that matters
>> Anonymous
>>202756
But's it's not worth 200 more dollars. Unlike the 40D.
>> Anonymous
>>202759
>a lot of those people probably don't even have jobs and their parents buy it for them?

Sixteen year old should have a job. Hell, do ten neighbor's yards for $20 each, not even a real job, and there's his XSi.

>which is why we have the XS

I'm not talking high school kids. I'm talking someone who lives in actual poverty with a family to support who can't save anything who has an artistic vision wants to document their conditions, etc. And I suppose this coming out is good for them, definitely, but it's still an extraneous product and it's not why Canon's doing it.

And I told you- extra profits for a company already making more than a living for everyone in it can go to shitting hell.
>> Anonymous
>>202762

it's $200 more for a better set of features

it's been said like 10 times already..

14 bit, larger viewfinder, spot meter, 3.5 FPS, bigger buffer

the XS is for newbies, the XSi is for serious newbies/amateurs

why are you guys even arguing
>> Anonymous
>>202768And I told you- extra profits for a company already making more than a living for everyone in it can go to shitting hell.

so you're one of those guys, huh
>> Anonymous
So? It's just like when Canon released the Rebel XT and the Rebel XTI at the same time. One's just a cheaper version of the other.

Also, the update of the 5D mkII only has weather sealing and a self-cleaning sensor. The weather sealing is a nice update, but the self-cleaning sensor is just another bullshit moving part that's more likely to break. I'm quite satisfied with my 5D.
>> Anonymous
>>202768
Oh, and to underscore the point: David Alan Harvey worked on a paper route to save up enough money at *twelve* to buy himself a Leica IIIg.
>> Anonymous
>>202774
I want to save up money for an M6 or bessa with a Noctilux before Im 12 too.
>> Anonymous
>>202773Also, the update of the 5D mkII only has weather sealing and a self-cleaning sensor.

lolwut??
>> Anonymous
>>202772
Insatiable corporations are ruining capitalism. If someone is making enough to support themselves and any dependents and enjoy their life, what do they need to drive their company's profits up to make ten million more on their salary a year?
>> Anonymous
>>202777
I doubt he had the 50/1.5 (which was the fastest lens at the time, if I understand correctly), but yeah.
>> Anonymous
The Canon 6D will be announced in August. Full frame, 18 megapixels. Direct from the mouth of a developer at Canon.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202755

LOL, I don't think i'm better than you.

I don't even know who you are.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>202783

>>Direct from the mouth of a developer at Canon

And much lolz were had.
>> Anonymous
>>202783
Camera numbering always confuses me. Do you think Canon will ever make a 2D? Or will it be 1Dsx mkVII dual PRO.
>> Anonymous
>>202785
Fair enough. Even though I disagree with your views, let's drop this.
>> Anonymous
>>202788

not as funny as Tamron SP AF17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di-II LD Aspherical [IF]
>> Anonymous
>>202788
Seems like when they're about to work themselves into a corner, name-wise, they just change naming conventions and go with a new series.

>>202787
No, really. Spoke with him today. I could not possibly be more serious about this.
>> Anonymous
there was a 5d announcement today?
>> Anonymous
>>202801
No announcement on the 5D mk II/6D/whatever it's going to be called. I simply had the opportunity to talk to someone on the inside and that's what I got. 6D, 18 MP, to be announced in August.
>> Anonymous
>>202795No, really. Spoke with him today. I could not possibly be more serious about this.
Obvious troll is obvious
>> Anonymous
http://www.dcameramag.com/camera-reviews/canon-eos-7d/

MEOW! *spins the rumor mill*
>> Anonymous
>>202803
No. Really. I spoke with him TODAY.
>> Anonymous
>>202811
You realize that it is very hard for /p/ to believe someone claiming they heard some upcoming news from a guy working at Canon. Not that it is a wild claim, but still, we aren't going to believe anything until a press release.
>> Anonymous
Shit. I was just going to get a D60 myself but now I guess I should wait for the XS? Either that or bite the bullet and get a XSi.
>> Anonymous
>>202779
"Insatiable corporations are ruining capitalism"
That's one of the funniest things I've seen on the boards lately.
>> Anonymous
>>202813
Oh I know. That's why I'm no longer persisting with it. :)
>> Anonymous
>>202824
If you think the extra features on the XSi are worth it, get it. However, I'm waiting for some previews or reviews of the XS. They will undoubtedly compare it to the XSi.
>> Anonymous
oh wow, nikon just can't catch up

two times they've updated their low end camera with disappointing features

now canon drops a camera at the same price as their d60 but with stronger selling points and they just shit their pants

so much for photographers making cameras, this is why you let engineers work on electronics
>> Anonymous
>>202978
Funny, it is always the canon-fags shouting out about how much Nikon sucks. I smell jealousy AND I smell poor people.
>> Meese !iZn5BCIpug
>>202979
Funny artfag calling an engineer poor
>> Anonymous
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>>202978
sup

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>> Anonymous
>>202978
>>202979
I'm a Canon fag (I have a Powershot but that's all) and I think the D300 is awesome. I almost considered getting an entry level Nikon before I remembered that they sucked.
>> Anonymous
>>202980
Funny, because I know a lot of laid-off engineers.

Still, <3 Canon
>> Anonymous
So the JPEG image limit IS 514 shots! Wow, I thought that was a typo.
>> Anonymous
>>202984
Entry level Nikon = D80. The others are for non-serious poor fags.

Specially in the USA where cameras cost half the price than in Europe.
>> Anonymous
>>202995
Well, the D80 didn't exactly win me over either. I thought it was a good deal (for under 1000) but I didn't like the body too much.

Btw, for those like me who are looking for a starter SLR, DPReview's 1000D preview is up.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon_1000D/
I'll read through it and report back.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>203019

Fair enough, but the D80 won alot of other people over. It was Nikon's best selling model for a long while.
>> Anonymous
>>203021
It's a good camera no doubt. And I wish Canon would come up with something to rival the 300D by the time I am ready to upgrade it a few years. While not so important to a lot of people, I wish they would make a menu system that doesn't look like it runs on DOS.
>> Anonymous
>>203019
Well, it seems that the 1000D has no advantage over the 450D (obviously) except for the price and weight. It has the same advantages over the 400D that the 450D had except the following:
- only 7 point AF
- slow RAW burst mode and a limit of 5 shots
- no infrared remote control
- no automatic screen turn-off when you look through the viewfinder
- viewfinder magnification is about the same as the 400D rather than the bigger 450D
- screen the same size as the 400D with the button layout as the 450D
- no rubberized thumb grip

Some major improvements are
- Live view (good for tripod use)
- My Menus
- ISO button and auto ISO
- SD card (if you are a point and shoot user)
- Longer battery life

Kit lens is said to be 18-55mm (same as 400D) with the 18-55 IS optional. I wonder what that means.
>> Anonymous
>>203036
>Kit lens is said to be 18-55mm (same as 400D) with the 18-55 IS optional. I wonder what that means.

So, what, they're going to keep producing the old lens?

I would think the new one wouldn't be so much more costly to produce that having two seperate production lines will be cheaper.

And I don't think they would have leftover stock to get rid of... probably 90% of 18-55 non-ISes produced went out with a EOS xx0D/Digital Rebel/Kiss whatever.
>> Anonymous
>>203038
Theyre still making the cheapo lens for 30D's, 40D's and other models.