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First Camera Anonymous
Hey /p/
Aspiring photographer here, wondering what camera body i should invest in.
Keep in mind, this would be my first SLR camera, and i'm a student, so i'm looking for something decent, yet affordable.

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>> Anonymous
D80.
>> sage Anonymous
Also, forgot to include, price range would probably be about $300-600
>> Anonymous
Nikon D40 for around 450
>> Anonymous
Nikon D40
>> sage Anonymous
The D40 looks promising, but the lack of auto-focus, and limited lenses worry me. Does this cause significant problems?
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>262805
no, as you're a beginner
>> else !L6xabslN96
>>262805
go for fiiiiiiiiiiilm!!!!
>> Anonymous
OP here,
found a killer deal on a D60 on ebay, what do you guys think? Y/N?

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>> Anonymous
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>>262836
no one appreciates film here on /p/
makes me sad, especially slide film
>> Anonymous
>>262882
no becasue its better to learn on a manual camera
>> sage Anonymous
>>262882
also, 4 lenses? i think yes.
>> Anonymous
i think stick with a manual camera, doesnt even need to be a SLR, a Zorki or FED is fine.
you will learn faster without a auto mode as a crutch, and when you get a camera with auto you start to realize its doing it wrong sometimes.
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>262882
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the D60 wont reccognise cards over 8gb. It'll just think its a 4gb.
Atleast thats what the D80 does.
>> sage Anonymous
>>262899
I wouldn't say i'm "learning" exactly. I'm already pretty handy, which is why i want to move up to an SLR.
>> Anonymous
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>>262906
>not learning
SAGE

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>> ?suomynonA??????????
>>262893
you know there's a "manual" mode on most DSLRs?
>> Anonymous
>>262890
I use negative film all the time and I love it. But I hate slide film - over saturated colors and not archival.
>> Anonymous
>>262890
I love film! It's just that like I said, i'm a student with a limited budget, and i take ALOT of pictures, so i don't know if i can afford to keep buying/developing film.
>> Anonymous
>>262913
how can you hate kodachrome
>> Anonymous
>>262914
how much film can you buy and process for the price of a dslr
>> Anonymous
>>262926
emphasis:
ALOT of pictures.
>> Anonymous
>>262836

:tup:

I started out with a Nikon FG-20. Great little thing.
>> Anonymous
>>262920
ummm.
only a very small percentage of slide are Kodachrome. Most of the shit shot in the last 25 years is E6.

Kodachrome is in a class, for better or worse by itself. It's expensive as hell to buy (US is over $12 a roll), and there are only a few places on earth that are still developing it
>> Anonymous
Ken Rockwell seems to think the D40 is a better camera than the D60. Comments?
>> sage Anonymous
or this?

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>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>262951
Correction: Only one place on earth that still develops it. Well, Kodak probably has a private lab, but only one place that you can use without owning Kodak.

>>262926
Say it costs you $4/36 frames to use film. That's a serious lowball, since it sort of assumes you buy your film in bulk and develop it yourself using your school's darkroom setup. A DSLR costs $500, so that's about 4500 shots of film equals one DSLR. And keep in mind all of the time and effort you'll be spending developing film and archiving your negatives. And scanning.

More likely, but still a lowball, say about $4 for a roll of film and $6 to get it developed. That's $10/36 shots, or a mere 1800 pictures before the DSLR wins. And again, it's gonna be at least an hour wait between finishing a roll and seeing how you did. And the hassle of archiving your negatives and scanning.

(Caveat: I really like shooting film. I just wouldn't want to learn on it)
>> Serenar !m827jEgWi.
>>262913
Not all slide film has crazy colors like Velvia or Kodachrome. Try Astia.

>>263033
Yes this is actually true. The D40 is crippled but cheap. The D60 is crippled but not cheap.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
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Posting Kodachrome in a Kodachrome thread!

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>> Anonymous
nikon d80
>> Anonymous
>>262913
>archival

For when you bet that civilization and technology will absolutely collapse before the end of the lifespan of readily degradable, non-duplicable-without-degradation physical media!
>> Anonymous
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>>263197
Psh! Heretics, the lot of them!
>> Anonymous
>>262902
Uhh, D60 can do SDHC like the D80. As long as the card adherers to the SD spec for SDHC cards, it'll work in the camera (as long as it's formatted correctly).
>> Anonymous
>>262805
Nikon is making their 50mm 1.4 af-s, so more should follow
>> Anonymous
Get the Leica.
>> Anonymous
>>263199
1) We're still using hard drives.
2) Someone would have to be daft to use an in-camera microdrive for long-term storage.
3) The files on a hard drive, of any size, can be losslessly transferred, copied, or backed up to any other digital medium to the last bit of recorded time. Even the most "archival" film is going to be gone eventually. Painters, etc. are right to worry about the lifetime of their materials, because theirs is an inherently physical medium: they create both an image and an object. Photographers shouldn't. A slide or negative is just an image, scanning it makes it more long-lasting than anything.
>> Anonymous
>>263205
You clearly didn't get it.
PRO TIP: Microdrives are known for failing very often; so are HD's to a lesser extent, but it happens.
>> Anonymous
>>263285
>The files on a hard drive... can be losslessly... backed up to the last bit of recorded time.

Hard drives fail, of course, they're physical too, but the information on them can be reproduced without degradation in quality an infinite number of times before they do. A computer file, so long as someone cares to keep backing it up, will still be around in ten thousand years.
>> Anonymous
>>263385
I have 5.25 floppies from the 80s that can't be read.

I have negatives from the 50s that can still be printed.

Analog formats (such as printing out digital images) can be view by anyone with eyeballs. Images on any disc require that someone has the appropriate technology to read it.
>> Anonymous
>>263522
The equipment still exists where those can be read, you just don't own it.

You also could've transferred it to newer media where this wouldn't be an issue.
>> Anonymous
>>263524
Yet, my eyes can view prints without having to own equipment.
>> Anonymous
>>263532
And the whole point of this from>>263197is that physical degradation is more of a threat to one's work than technology disappearing. One is inevitable, the other is very unlikely in its extreme manifestations and in the ordinary kind can be dealt with just by copying it to the newer type of storage device.
>> Anonymous
And also we're not talking prints, which can come out of an enlarger or a printer just as easily. We're talking negatives/slides versus scanned negatives/slides or native digital files.
>> Anonymous
>Aspiring photographer here

leave
>> Anonymous
sony a200 more features for a good price
>> Anonymous
I like my E-510, but better ISO performance and picture quality (in some respects) can be had in a different camera.
>> Anonymous
PROS USE CANON
>> Anonymous
>>264159

truth
>> Anonymous
>>264159
Pros also use Nikon (though i am a pro who uses Canon)

Back on topic:
While i'm an admitted Canon fanboy, i've got to say save a little more and get a D90. It's a crippled D300 and when you get that fucktard prof who starts pushing video your junior year (i'm assuming you're a photo student and not wasting time) you won't have to spend more money. Whatever you do do not buy a 30(or older)D or any of canons rebels. Our pro cameras are the industry leaders, but our consumer cameras suck shit...

tl;dr - D90
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
>>265354

+1
>> anonymous
hey guys dam you guys are helpfull
wish me luck in film
>> Anonymous
>>film
wut?
>> sunshine !!WK+Lu8k4giy
>>265859
I lol'd.