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Holy shit its a city in 6 photos Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
So we were doing this 2-3 months ago, im very bad at doing things on time, so finally this is my city in 6 Shots.

Liverpool, UK. European capital of culture for 2008, home of europe's largest building site, the Paradise Project. This massive shopping comlex officially opened last thursday, on time and on budget. Since doing Liverpool in 6 shots would have been impossible for me, here is L1.

'Welcome to Liverpool L1, please mind the buses, police, rubbish and culture'
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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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I love construction, the largest employer in Liverpool will loose most of its financial support at the end of this year.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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Liverpool as the most greenery in it than any city in the UK, outside of london. These are the only parks in L1.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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To let, one city, hardly used.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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I dont think I can say anything more ironic here.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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Covering up its problems with big shiny posters is a liverpool tradition. The entire row of shops is empty. This is a common site in the city centre.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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At least something is open!

Yeah 7 photos I know, I suck.

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>> Haddock !!xREx2m9lgBs
Holy shit its 6 boring snapshots in a row.

This would be more at home in /trv/
>> TheGeneral !m7n7x2Yyfo
I quite agree with>>196391these are snapshots more than anything else.

but let's give some crit on the photos anyway:

>>196383
People are under exposed. Are they not the subject of this photo? looks like you metered it off the tree in the background.

>>196385
kind of a meh photo. some lines are definitely leading us to the subject you wanted to point out. But other wise, the color is bland, seems a tad bit overexposed, etc.

>>196386
again, another snapshot. It's too wide I suppose, and there isn't much interesting going on. So far It seems to me you were treating this as an assignment to correctly expose snapshots of your city, not 6 photos of your city.

>>196387
same as first pic, a busy shot of a sidewalk, and that's it. at least this time it's correctly exposed.

>>196388
this snap I like. relatively well exposed, has something interesting in it, and most importantly the background is boring. Now I'm kind of seeing why you said you love construction.

>>196389
also this one. Provides a nice stark contrast as to the image they are trying to project, and what is actually there. I like it. The sky is blown out though, and I think you were trying to get the ground to be symmetrical with the sky, a nice touch.

>>196390
this one. well, lots of empty space. a tighter shot of the lamppost or moving closer would have made this picture better in my opinion.

so that's it Butterfly. 2 out of 7. me thinks a reshoot is in order.
>> Anonymous
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>>196390
For some reason I find this one to be quite nice. Attached crop works better for me, though.

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>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>196401
agree'd with this op
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>People are under exposed. Are they not the subject of this photo? looks like you metered it off the tree in the background.
No, the bus is supposed to be the subject but my 50 didnt have enough reach. I wanted to have one group of people split by the bus, but i couldnt get enough hight to pull it off.

>kind of a meh photo. some lines are definitely leading us to the subject you wanted to point out. But other wise, the color is bland, seems a tad bit overexposed, etc.
All the photos have been desaturated, there is so little vibrance in the city so I wanted to reflect that, also shooting at 2pm doesnt help (lol bright sun)

>again, another snapshot. It's too wide I suppose, and there isn't much interesting going on. So far It seems to me you were treating this as an assignment to correctly expose snapshots of your city, not 6 photos of your city.
I was trying to emphisise the smallness of the park, but it didnt work.

>this snap I like. relatively well exposed, has something interesting in it, and most importantly the background is boring. Now I'm kind of seeing why you said you love construction.
thanks

>also this one. Provides a nice stark contrast as to the image they are trying to project, and what is actually there. I like it. The sky is blown out though, and I think you were trying to get the ground to be symmetrical with the sky, a nice touch.
Thanks, as for the sky, see above.

>this one. well, lots of empty space. a tighter shot of the lamppost or moving closer would have made this picture better in my opinion.
I wanted more open space than anything else (this on a saturday afteroon)

>>196401
Like
>> TheGeneral !m7n7x2Yyfo
>>196409

>No, the bus is supposed to be the subject but my 50 didnt have enough reach. I wanted to have one group of people split by the bus, but i couldnt get enough hight to pull it off.
didn't even notice the bus.

>All the photos have been desaturated, there is so little vibrance in the city so I wanted to reflect that, also shooting at 2pm doesnt help (lol bright sun)
ok, that's fair.

>I was trying to emphisise the smallness of the park, but it didnt work.
ok.

>Thanks, as for the sky, see above.
duly noted.

>I wanted more open space than anything else (this on a saturday afteroon)
crop is probably what i meant to say. and yeah the crop is nice.
>> Anonymous
Wow. it's like the U.S. only with white people.
>> Anonymous
>>196415

lol! so true.
>> BurtGummer
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The city of Manchester in one shot.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196413
Thanks for the crits. Next im working on a series with rain (lol summertime) so the over-exposing should be easy to avoid.

>>196415
quite
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196423
OURS IS BIGGER, NERRRR
>> BurtGummer
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>>196426

I bow down to your superiority complex butterfly!

Just thought id drop something moderately interesting in your generic city thread.

Oh im such a bitch.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196432
ICE BURN, altho i know these arnt that great.

MORE CRIT PLZ.
>> Anonymous
Show us something that we can't see everyday. McD's, white people, and badly exposed snapshots we can.
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
I'll have to do my town in 6 snaps soon >.<
>> Anonymous
>No, the bus is supposed to be the subject but my 50 didnt have enough reach.

This mentality is what ruins the series. The 50 has in fact *too much* reach. On a cropped sensor camera, the 50 is effectively a portrait lens, and even on FF it's a bit on the long end for street. As such, the pictures become rather flat and uninteresting, and don't really do much for anyone. What I'd advice you to do, is go out and buy/rent a wide(er) angle, and redo it; keeping in mind that you'll have to use your feet more - you want to be able to touch your subject. I don't quite remember who said this (I think it was some ww2 photog), but it holds true for this situation, I believe: "If your photographs aren't interesting, you're not getting close enough to the action." A 10-20 sig, or a 11-18 sony ought to do you good.
>> Depressed Cheesecake !Ep8pui8Vw2
NO wonder Butterfly never posts pictures.

She's a terrible photographer.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196576
learn2exif, 1/2 were taken with the 50, the other with my 11-18. Some might have even been taken with a 1.5x tc on the 50 (making it a 100), but its got no chip, so you cant tell.

>>196579
We all knew that, although admitidly these are the worst ive posted so far.
>> Anonymous
needs more hdr, vignetting, usm, and lens flare.
>> Anonymous
>>196582
>!Ep8pui8Vw2

same troll, different day
>> Anonymous
>>196591

yeah.
has dc even posted since people shat on that series from the beach?
i thought his girlfriend was hot...
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196591
That is 2-3chars of Moots trip btw, I knew it looked familiar.
>> Sicko !L3HRY/miC.
>>196383
Partial desaturation suits the L1, I found it pretty bland and boring. Admittedly it's not totally done yet but still, there's a lot of grey blankness.

You should've taken some photos of the toilets, it's high tech shit, they flush when the door is closed and the hand dryers are made by Dyson.
>> Anonymous
Fantastic as usual butterfly.. Thank you SO MUCH for posting these. I absolutely LOVE your constant use of portrait orientation.
>> Anonymous
>>196423
Your traffic lights seem to be broken
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196629
I know, i dont know why i keep doing it actually.

>>196669
Trafic lights do RED+ORANGE before turning to green here in the UK.

>>196626
It would be really interesting to see what you make of L1 in 6/7 photos btw.
>> Anonymous
>>196386
>>196385
>>196390

These are good, the other ones not so much. It looks like your style shooting this sort of thing leans towards almost architechtural photography... take that and run with it, but try to include more emotion. I've got a good sense of what Liverpool looks like from these pictures, but nothing about what the city feels like, how it's people are, etc. Any of that came in your captions; your photographs need to do more than just illustrate them.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196700
But i hate people... If anything, failing to capture any sense of culture or people in the "capital" of it should point out how utterly inapropriate it is.

That and listening to Simple Plan and MCR while shooting probably doesnt help.
>> Anonymous
>>196703
>That and listening to Simple Plan and MCR while shooting probably doesnt help.

1) Terrible at photography.
2) Hates people.
3) Terrible taste in music.

...you're fat, aren't you?
Either that or you have really bad acne.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196706
Dont go judging me on that, im anorexic and mostly normal looking. I prefer trance anyway but it makes you dumb.

Oh and fuck you im not terrible at photography!
>> I lolled Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>196714
I know this pretty rave girl
always think about her
when she says hi to me
butterflys go right through me
and when i see her dancing
want to take my chance and
get in a little closer
and maybe get to know her
>> Anonymous
>>196714

Pix or it never happened.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196725
WRONG NO NOT TRANCE FAIL -100%~

>>196729
pix of me.. eating? It never happened.
>> Anonymous
>>196576
>and even on FF it's a bit on the long end for street.

Lol wut? Cartier-Bresson, Robert Frank, and many others would like a word with you.

>(I think it was some ww2 photog), but it holds true for this situation, I believe: "If your photographs aren't interesting, you're not getting close enough to the action."

Including Robert Capa, who said "If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough."

>A 10-20 sig, or a 11-18 sony ought to do you good.

Such fail. Ultrawides are almost never the answer. Difficult for even experienced photographers to compose precisely with, obvious, distracting, "look at meeee!" effects, and just general fail. I don't know of any major street or documentary photographer who primarily uses 24mm (or equivalent) or less.

Widest lens most people need on a 1.5x crop is a 20mm prime, seriously. 24mm is fine, too.
>> Anonymous
>>196742

Pix of you not being fat, I mean.
Body shot is fine, doesn't have to have your face in it.
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>196742
100% know that its not trance.
just when you said trance, and you listen to MCR - I guessed your probably one of them posing-glue-stick-fkup's who listen to DJ Cammy in underwear.
Also, it features your name; hense why I pasted it.
>> Anonymous
>>196751
Are you kidding me? I thought street shooters and photojournalists are always using wide-angle lenses, with 20mm and 35mm being the norm on full-frame.
>> Anonymous
>>Liverpool, UK. European capital of culture for 2008

ha ha OH WOW.

no ...just no..ive seen the pitiful attempts to justify this and having a few paintings on display and the shittiest beetle playing some fucking wings songs is a joke.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196786
You're telling me...

OK >>others

I do landscape/urban photos of the architecture and the layout etc, the people are not what I am trying to capture. I would _NOT_ be a street photog afaik.

>>196755
I listen to trance seriously and emo as a joke.
>> TheGeneral !m7n7x2Yyfo
>>196764
>>Are you kidding me? I thought street shooters and photojournalists are always using wide-angle lenses, with 20mm and 35mm being the norm on full-frame.

for street shooters maybe. But photojournalists? totally depends on the scene, and totally dependent on the assignment.

but eventually everything will just boil down to personal preference. Or preference of the editor for the photojournalists.
>> Anonymous
>>196805
>I listen to trance seriously and emo as a joke.

Those bands aren't emo you fucking faggot.

Also, lolololololololololololololol at how crappy your photos are. I guess you need to suck more Sony dick to get better.
>> Martin !BOpXGz0PO2
>>196390
>>196389
>>196388
>>196387
>>196386
>>196385
>>196383

Have these been post processed at all?
>> Butterfly !U.eYZfeJt6
>>196834

No.
>> chib !!RZtg9/1KP1J
Really diggin these shots and the concept, I might have to steal it and try and get Pheonix next week when I go home
>>196389is definately my fav. Good work.
>> Anonymous
>>196840
They should have been.
>> $19.99 !OSYhGye6hY
>>196851
I'm probably going to have to do this too. I'll try to get to it this weekend if it still isn't overcast.
>> Anonymous
>>196764
Street shooters tend to pick one lens, the serious ones (as opposed to the hobbyists with too much money who own a leopard skin ala carte M7 with a WATE as one of ten lenses) almost never wider than 28mm, e.g. Garry Winogrand used one 28mm lens pretty much his whole career. 35mm, a moderate wide, seems to be the most common. Normals are popular too, obviously with 50mm being the most common since others were rare. (This is all for 35mm film. It'd be like 20, 24, 28, and 35 for crop, obviously.)

The classic PJ workhorse lens is a 20-35 zoom or something like that, but I'm pretty sure most of them know better than to use it at 20mm all the time.

Honestly, in a lot of cases, ultrawides are a crutch that doesn't work too well. People use them to make the photographs look more instantly interesting, but only some really good people can boil down a complex street scene at 16mm equivalent into a cohesive, organic, meaningful composition. IMO, the only things ultrawides are actually really good for are some landscapes, architecture and, surprisingly, portraits on the more moderate ones. (E.g. 20mm, 24mm, etc.)
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>196383
there's a woman near the center of that picture that looks just like Eddie Izzard in drag.
>> Anonymous
>>196864looks just like Eddie Izzard in drag

divide by zero
>> $19.99 !OSYhGye6hY
>>196860
And for making p&sfags jealous.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>196840
chigaou!

also bampu for constructive critisim and fake tripfags.
>> TheGeneral !m7n7x2Yyfo
will be doing this for my town Cebu, Philippines in the coming month. who else will be doing this?
>> Anonymous
I'm from Liverpool. It's not half as bad as you make out. It's a good place with a nice atmosphere. Sadly large areas in the city centre lie derelict; but it's important to not focus on them too obsessively.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>197037
Most have already done it, it was proposed a few months ago. Butterfly is just late as usual.

Not that I can say anything. I was one of the first to say I was going to do it and I still haven't. Lazy fuckkk?
>> Anonymous
>>197054
Kensington is lulzy, the bizzare sketches on the derelict houses are just creepy.
>> Anonymous
the exposure on most of these is shit. only these two squeak by:
>>196387
>>196388

well, at least you resized. at least, that.
>> Anonymous
>>196864

Well, that's the downside to having a country full of white folk: inbreeding.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>197054
I actually quite like the place, but with everyone else glossing over the problems _someone_ has to bring them to light.

Thanks to all the critisim.
>> Anonymous
These shots are terrible but I still love butterfly <3

>>196385
this is the best one imo. The composition and colours are decent. Not very interesting though.
>> Anonymous
Butterfly your next set should be self portraits PLZ.

Or take pictures of chicks with their tops falling off at one of the raves you go to that would be HOTTT.