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........I really want one of these ;_; anyone use lenses with VR? Is it really as effective as I hear?
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>> Anonymous
The kit lens that came with my Canon has it. I've tried it with it on and off, and can't tell the difference. Although overall the lens sucks ass, so I never use it anyway.

Considering the extra cost and weight associated with it, I think it's pointless. If I need to shoot in low light, I'll just use a fast lens or tripod.
>> Anonymous
>>73056
How low shutter speeds did you shoot? I saw a pic from this old dude taking before/after pics of his beer can where it made a nice difference
>> Anonymous
>>73058

Probably 1/5 to 1 or 2 seconds, although with that long of shutter speed, even IS/VR probably won't make much of a difference. Perhaps if I did a controlled test like that guy did with the cans, it'd be much more obvious.
>> Anonymous
>>73061
No current VR system allows to shoot at 1-2 second exposures handheld. VR is most useful at exposures around 1/f - 10/f seconds (where f is the equivalent focal distance of the lens).
>> Anonymous
>>73061
Try something like between 1/15-1/200 for still objects and something higher for moving objects
>> thefamilyman !!rTVzm2BgTOa
from what i read, VR is designed for hand held shots down to about 1/20-1/30sec. and it makes a bigger difference on the telephoto end of the lens.
>> Anonymous
>>73050

I have the 105mm macro lens with VR. I don't notice anything, all you do notice is a slight humming noise. I don't use a tripod, so its good to have.
>> Anonymous
>>73063
>No current VR system allows to shoot at 1-2 second exposures handheld

Not true. No current VR system allows one to shoot 1-2 second exposures handheld on SLR cameras, because of the inherent vibration. With IS, it's the camera that's limiting the shutter speed, not the shooter, unless the shooter just has no clue how to hold the camera.

I've used an IS equipped point and shoot with the two second timer on at 1-2 second exposures handheld with good results, and even acceptable ones after a few tries further into the zoom range.
>> Anonymous
>>73132
Oh, and weight of the camera and lens would be another factor affecting handholdability with IS. Of course, the times with a DSLR you'll have to use a 1-2 second exposure are far less than the times with a point and shoot.
>> Anonymous
> I've used an IS .. 1-2 second exposures handheld with good results
Full-rez pics or it didn't happen.
>> Anonymous
Here's a tip: Don't trust anyone here, 4chan is full of underage morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization
http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/about/technology/nikon_technology/vr_e/index.htm
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Optical/Image_Stabilization_01.htm
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>73148
Well that's just plain not true.

I'm a 27 year old moron.
>> ????? !wAHA/GeRU.
I have a 18-200mm VR, and I use it effectively down to 1/15 sec. Any lower and the percentage of blurred shots increases. The weight of it compared to my 18-70mm and 28-200mm makes a difference. Mine is soft wide open (as most are, if not all), so I shoot mostly at f/8 at the long end. I took a photo at 1/15 f/5.6 170mm while forgetting I was at f/5.6. I stopped down to f/8 and the softness was gone. So, yes, VR does help, but you do have to know your limitations.
>> Anonymous
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>>73147

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>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>73186
>Exposure Time 0.3 sec
.3 < 1
>> ????? !wAHA/GeRU.
>>73169
Should actually say I use it effectively hand held down to 1/15 sec at the long end, and 1/2 sec at the wide end.
>> Anonymous
>>73147
Let me try to dig some up. None of them have actually been good photographs, just putzing around with the camera, so I haven't done anything except let them sit.

Or actually, I'll go out and shoot one right now, and post it later.
>> Anonymous
>>73169
Such a lens is a nice thing isn't it :D
>> Anonymous
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>>73251

Here we go. Out of camera JPEG. Keep in mind Panasonic's JPEG engine sucks and over-NRs and under-sharpens the images. So it's a bit less sharp than it could be if I processed the RAW file, but still fine. Also, there was a small breeze, so the tree leaves are a little blurred. Look at the power lines, buildings, metal bars, etc.

Shot of out my apartment window, no assistance except the two second timer and resting my elbows against the window sill.

Not tack sharp, but still good, especially for reasonable prints and certainly for web use.

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>> Anonymous
>>73365
I wouldn't call that neither good nor acceptable.
>> dss !3tILFyiK.U
>>73365
That's actually awful.
>> Anonymous
How so? The power cables aren't blurred; the metal railing isn't blurred.

And that's totally unresized. Bring it down to a reasonable size, that one would actually use, and the blur that is there becomes much harder to see. Hit your browser resize button and see if it looks blurred then.
>> Anonymous
pro photographer of ten years says:

VR is crap, if you can't take good pictures with regular lenses, then you should be taking photography classes instead of trying to use VR to cover your mistakes.
>> Anonymous
>>73999
pro photographer of twenty years says:

durr hurr troll moar
>> Anonymous
>>73365
That's damn blurry.

And why ISO 100? Panasonics fail at noise, but I think ISO 200-400 would still be acceptable here for smaller prints.
>> Anonymous
>>73999
try harder when you troll next time. at least have it make sense. VR has nothing to do with how good you are nor does it cover up mistakes.
>> Anonymous
>>73999
>if you can't take good pictures with regular lenses, then you should be taking photography classes instead of trying to use VR to cover your mistakes.

True, but VR makes things easier and gets shots that couldn't be gotten otherwise. One should know how to shoot without any gadgets- even a meter- but it's no crime to use it when called for.

>74005

1. Press the browser re-size button. 100% isn't going to look pretty, sure, but smaller sizes will.

2. The noise problem isn't as bad as it's made out to be; it's noise reduction that's the problem, solvable by shooting RAW. At anything but long exposures like this, ISO 100 is clean. 200 usually is. 400 is a little messy, but usable. I've even used 800 in a pinch, but it was very obviously noisy. 1250 is shit.

I used ISO 100 for three reasons: habit of sticking to the lowest ISO possible, the request for a two second exposure (of course, I could've stopped down, but meh), and the desire to keep the camera's noise reduction to a minimum, since it does the least at ISO 100 and I didn't want to process a RAW file for this demonstration.
>> Anonymous
>>74031
Even if resized to my screen resolution, the shake is still noticeable - every light in the background looks like two lights instead of one, for instance. And the trees are blurred by camera shake too, not by breeze, as the ghosting is the same everywhere. And seriously, why the hell I'm typing all this? That picture is NOT a good example of how VR helps at 2 second exposure, period.
>> Anonymous
They sold 18-70's for 199€ here, while 18-200 goes for 680€ .... If the price difference is similar, I wouldn't even think of buying the 18-200.
>> Anonymous
To the 10 year pro. Your full of shit VR makes the lense 2 stops faster. I use it for when thing pop up at a distance and, I dont have a tripod. I have the 80-400mm. Works great. And no you will not get a great hand held night shot because of VR, that is just plain stupid. Fast ISO and, VR mean better hand held shots.
>> Anonymous
>>73999

This is why we can't have nice things. GTFO
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
It's a great lens if that's the only lens you'll use and don't plan to move on to better and MUCH bigger things. Shooting at f/8 on this lens produces great shots!

But... it's probably the most overated lens out there. I think all the other owners who have fast glass will know what i'm talking about.

VR is great, but it's no substitute for fast glass and High ISO performance.

I personally think it's really useful, but i shoot with tripods alot of the time so i shut the thing off... but i also don't think it's a miracle worker... i've heard from people who just think the world of it... i don't...