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rebel xt vs xti Anonymous
if im looking to get a new/first slr, is it worth it to get the xti (899 usd) apposed to the xt(699)?

the biggest improvment i see is the screen size. i have researched all the specs and what not but is the slight noise and resolution increase worth the 200 dollars?
>> Macheath
How much are you budgeting for lenses? Personally, I'd rather get the XT and get great lenses rather than get the XTi and get cheap lenses. In fact, I was agonizing over the same thing a few months ago and I chose the XT (though I still bought cheap lenses and now I'm agonizing over that). If you end up liking photography, you're probably going to graduate to a prosumer camera anyway; if you end up hating it, at least you didn't blow more money on it than you might have.
>> Macheath
>>38278
Didn't quite finish... I think you're listing the kit prices. You might be interested in picking up the Rebel XT body on its own (I think it goes for around $450 nowadays) and investing the other ~$400 you might have spent on the XTi kit toward a good lens(es).

No matter what you pick, good luck and hope you enjoy what you buy.
>> Anonymous
well i dont really have one style of photography yet so the kit lens seems suitable for my level and im not really ready to buy an amazing lens for whatever i end up doing. i mean the only reason i would want the xti is the screen size buut will i regret it enough to spend 200 dollars is the thing. hmm...

thanks for the input btw it really does help
>> ac
>>38280
You're considering the XTi for the *screen* size? Pfft. Screen size really doesn't matter. If the bigger screen on the XTi is your only real draw to it, go for the XT.

However, here are some *real* reasons to get the XTi instead:
* Dust reduction feature. It automagically cleans itself somewhat whenever you turn it on or off.
* Easier to set settings. On the XT, apparently you have to remember to hit the 'Set' button every time you change a setting. On the XTi, you just change the setting and shoot and your change is automatically stored. I.e., it defaults to save rather than cancel, which is pretty much always what you want unless you're a complete and total newbie who's afraid to change any settings. And if you *are* a complete and total newbie, you'll graduate out of that quickly after playing with the XTi for a while.
* RGB histogram rather than just a luminance histogram. Which means you can easily tell if you've blown the red or blue in your highlights and therefore need to drop it back a stop.
* Nine point autofocus

These are the reasons (well, okay, just the first one. But I'm glad I chose how I did thanks to the rest) I got the XTi instead of the XT. There are a lot more upgrades besides the 10MP sensor and the 2.5" screen.
>> Anonymous
I'm no pro at this, but still, this is my opinion:
Personally, I like the XT better. I have tried both, and ended up with the XT. The thing that really bothers me about the XTi, is the display. They left out the status display out on the XTi, and now, the main LCD is always on. Thus - a bit less battery life. It turns off, when you put you're eye to the view finder, but the flicker is really annoying. And the 10Mpix sensor is really a bad thing, because they left the XT's imaging matrix. So the picture quality is a bit worse.
>> ac
>>38285
I usually get 1000+ shots per charge on my XTi. How much does the XT get? Over 9000?

If you're doing a lot of shooting, the viewfinder's up to your eye and the display stays off. If you're not doing a lot of shooting, the camera's on a strap around your neck, so against your chest, so the display stays off. The only time the display's really on is if you're actually looking at it, at which point it's nice to have the nice big LCD display rather than the dim little top LCD.

Also, I've read in several reviews of people who tested this sort of thing that the XTi's resolving ability is about equal to the XT's. The loss of per-pixel sharpness is made up for by the extra 2 million pixels.
>> Anonymous
thank you ac! alot
but! is this really worth the 200 dollars... i know i sound stingy but uhh... i kinda am ><
>> ac
>>38288
That's up to you. It was worth it to me, but I have more money than sense. Like others have said, in terms of photo quality, you're better off getting the XT and spending your extra $200 on better glass.

Maybe go down to your local CompUSA and try them both out (the ones I've been to recently have been stocking both). See if you can deal with the more complicated procedure for changing things like white balance and autofocus point. See which LCD style you prefer. Read the article a little bit down about the guy whose sensor has dirt on it now.

But really, it's up to you whether or not the XTi's advantages compensate for the extra $200.
>> Anonymous
>>38289
hmmm ya it makes sense to do that but i really dont know what i want in a lens yet. i really appreciate the help /p/! youve helped my decision substantially
>> nikon anyone me_but_better
i'd ditch the canon and go with either the d70 or ultimately the d80 at that price range. I use canon SLR's but their DSLR's are glorified point and shoots. You've got alot more flexability with the nikon's as far as ISO range, shutter speed and onboard digital processing go. If you're gonna spend the money, do a little research in this direction before dropping $600-$1000, plus nikons look sic with a vert grip

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>> ac
>>38292
In general, a Canon and a Nikon at the same price point are going to be more or less equivalent.

D70 does ISO100 to 1600. XTi does 100 to 1600
D80 goes to ISO3200, but its price point puts it more in league with the Canon 30d, which will also do ISO3200. Same shutter speed range, too.

Trust me, the Rebel XTi is way beyond point&shoot territory. If someone told you that it wasn't, they were either trying to sell you a Nikon or another Nikon owner who got their information from someone trying to sell them a Nikon.
>> ac
>>38294
(Which isn't to say that he *shouldn't* go Nikon instead. Like I said, they're more or less equivalent. But he's asking specifically about XT vs XTi, so GTFO Nikon troll)
>> Anonymous
Just to clear up confusion here, the current prices listed for these cameras on B&H are:

Nikon D80 - $925 (Body only)
Nikon D40x - $800 (w/18-55 lens)
Nikon D40 - $550 (w/18-55 lens)
(D70 is no longer available)

Canon 30D - $1,120 (Body only)
Canon XTi - $760 (w/18-55 lens)
Canon XT - $600 (w/18-55 lens)

I own an XTi and I've used an XT and Digital Rebel. I've also used a Nikon D50 and D200. The build quality of the Nikons are superior to Canon but I feel that Canon has better ease-of-use, image quality and a better AF lens lineup. Considering everything, I would go for the XT, and I wish I had done the same. In the end the lenses you get are going to make much more of a difference than anything else.
>> Anonymous
>>38284
Real reasons? The Dust Reduction feature is pretty useless.

http://pixinfo.com/en/articles/ccd-dust-removal/
>> Anonymous
I have the XTi and frequently use the XT. As far as I my experience go sensor cleaning on the XTi makes no difference. Both cameras seem to get dusty now and then and I'm not sure if it's bechause of me handling the cameras the wrong way or something. I got an ugly spot again today. The sensor cleaning couldn't get it off.

But I really get annoyed when using the XT. The set button and the small screen bugs me.

Oh yeah. There is no difference in battery life.
>> Anonymous
i dont really know why its so low, but d80 body for $349. Just don't know how reputable they are lol http://www.expresscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=620700&start=1
>> ac
>>38360
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Express_Cameras
Lifetime rating, 0.82 out of 10.
"Don't be a pussy. This guy seems legit."
>> ac
>>38324
Oh noes! My justification!

Ohwell. I still think I like the no-set-button-nonesense feature enough to justify the XTi. I change autofocus point and white balance a *lot*, and the ability to do it by feel without having an extra confirm step is damn useful.

(Though I suppose if I'd gone with the XT, I'd have just gained the ability to hit set without thinking about it after changing something)
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
The D70 starts at ISO200...

The biggest and most significant difference between the XT and the XTi is ISO noise control.

The XTi at 1600 is incredible... my D70s has noting on it.

The D80 is no doubt the best camera listed here... but it's also the most expensive.