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hey /p/ im a noob when it comes to shooting bands in action. anyone have any helpful tips? theyre kind of a metal band, if that helps.
pic somewhat related
>> Anonymous
big aperture
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>298478
no

>>298451
Apt around 5.6 will be fine.
Slow shutter speed. 1/5th
ISO 200~400. depends tbh
Flash firing, power relative to the scene.
>> Anonymous
>>298489
thanks.

any other tips?
>> tizzou !!HuouSd+PYUs
>>298489
No, slow shutter band shots look amateurish and disgusting.

1/250
f2.8
iso800 (or lower if possible)
flash depending on preference, but if you don't need I suggest not using.
>> Anonymous
Try many shutter speeds. It all depends on the mood or feeling you try to capture with each band.
>> Anonymous
need some pro tips here for live music stuff with flash

i usually set my aperture to f/4 and my shutter speed to like 1/50 or something, ISO at 100 (lowest it can go) and let my flash in automatic mode.

now my problem is my subjects are well lit, everything is cool, except my background is pretty much black (doesn't help that the walls are black in most places either lol)

i've heard about dragging the shutter which is just slowing down my shutter speed to like 1/5, but i've tried that and it really doesn't change anything at all...

i've tried using manual power on the flash, again doesn't help me, because if i put it in low power, my subject is underexposed, high power, it's overexposed, it doesn't even seem to affect the background at all.

what's my problem here?

also, do i need a better diffuser? i'm either using an index card and bouncing from the ceiling, or bouncing without card, and also ABBC. all are pretty much the same except the straight bounce has more shadows (obviously)
>> Anonymous
>>298668

little fixed here

upon reviewing my pictures, the backgrounds are not completely black.. they're just noticeably darker than my subject.

like, if i masked and boosted the brightness of the background, it'd be good enough

i just need a way to "throw" more light into the background is my problem
>> tizzou !!HuouSd+PYUs
http://www.planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/2-flash-ambient-light/
http://www.planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/3-dragging-the-shutter/
>> Anonymous
>>298681

well, a church isn't exactly like a dark venue for music...

i'm looking at his comparison between ambient only and ambient+flash... the difference is "fairly" small. if i took a photo at 1/50 and f/4 at ISO 100, shit would be nearly black dude. if i did like he said, meter for ambient and "lift" for shadows, my exposure would be in the seconds, like whole seconds

and the second link, dragging the shutter. that's what i've read online. i've slowed down my shutter all the way to 1/5 and it didn't achieve much other than introduce some blur in the background. and if i happen to catch a laser or spotlight during that.. then i get weird ass light streaks in my picture, which i really don't want.

my subjects are well exposed, i just need a brighter background
>> ????? ???? !!y3THaBKuFhW
humm.
>> tizzou !!HuouSd+PYUs
>>298684
Yeah, but just thought you should know. The only other idea I have is to shoot raw, expose for the background, make 2 files, one for the subject and one for the background. Or, use off camera flash and have it be really spread out and diffused and use it to light the entire room.

Personally I don't care much for the background, such as in the OP pic. If I could see more of the guy in the bg, it would be distracting. If anything I would prefer it to be darker. Although that's mainly because it looks like it's probably shot from a local little venue with terrible lighting.
>> Anonymous
>>298690

i am shooting RAW, i can't expose 2 shots because people are moving.. what i COULD do is process one file for the background and process another for the subject and blend them in Photoshop.. but that's a whole lot of trouble and i was hoping someone could know what i'm doing wrong so i could do that in camera
>> tizzou !!HuouSd+PYUs
>>298695
That's what I said.
>> anonymous
do the HDR you lazyfag.
HURRRRRRR
>> hV !!Uu8NMl1et5d
>>298948
DURRRRRR
>> HDR
>>299035
RURRRRRR
>> hV !!Uu8NMl1et5d
>>299036
Damn you!
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
>>298641
You use the flash to freeze the people, and a slow shutter to let in ambient background light, noob :(
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
>>299070
You must shoot wuss rock where no one moves, nub.
>> hV !!Uu8NMl1et5d
>>299274
Wtf are you talking about?
>> Anonymous
not 274, but if you allow a slow enough shutter speed, there _will_ be some blur from your subject unless he is standing still, regardless if you used your fancy super duper flash to "freeze" his motion, you're still exposing a long exposure
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
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>>299274
I've posted this a million times, but it demonstrates what I mean.

Yes I know. gay border watermark, small dimentions etc, cbb to resize a 1000px ver. purely to reply with.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>299293
rear curtain motherfucker have you heard of it.
>> Anonymous
>>299321rear curtain motherfucker have you heard of it.

Okay, Butterfly, humor me.

Instead of blur happening in front, the blur is now trailing behind which looks more natural.

The end result is there is still blur. Please do try to explain your way out of this.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>299325
I take all my shots (no im not reposting, i havent even been out in months) on rear curtain and unless they get splashed by a roto during exposure (which is 1/2s so somewhat possible) I dont have any trouble with ghosting. If the subject is lit enough to get ghosting you are taking the photo wrong.
>> Anonymous
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Then your subjects are static.

What kind of excuse is that? Yeah, I know the exact location of Atlantis and I even have photos to prove it. But I can't show them to you because I don't want to.

Here is an imitation of a rocker head banging while doing his riff in a fucking lit room.

1/4 with flash fired and most, if not all point-and-shoots default to second curtain.

Now imagine doing the same thing, with spot lights and lasers going off in a dark environment. No, of course not, there will be absolutely no blur at all at these slow shutter speeds when people are moving. Man! That's some magical shiznit.
>> Anonymous
>>299347
if your feet were as pretty as butterfly's then you would be able to do it

the power of supersteadyshot and monolithic stature is renowned throughout the land
>> Anonymous
BUMP
>> hV !!Uu8NMl1et5d
>>300349
SAGE
>> Anonymous
>>298451

Oh Lawd