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I have read a lot about entry/mid level DSLRs, and with an ideal lens, it seems close. But my priorities are different - I require the best performance in low-light, preferably without flash (for example cathedral interior shots).

Does anyone know which may nose their way ahead under that criterion?
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>> Serenar !m827jEgWi.
If it counts as mid-level the D300 is head and shoulders above the competition. Otherwise the differences aren't that big (not enough for me to come up with off the top of my head at least. but they do exist), though you do get what you pay for.

As you may already know, the lens is the most important part here, as well as good post work.
>> Anonymous
D700 if you can afford it
>> Anonymous
>>237105
>As you may already know, the lens is the most important part here, as well as good post work.

The lens is the most important part when it comes to low noise at high ISO?
At places like cathedrals etc ISO 400 and f/1.4 won't do it.
>> Anonymous
Cathedrals etc. If you can use tripod then the camera body doesn't matter much. Just stop down to f8, ISO 100 (or 200 if that's the lowest real sensitivity) and shoot. Tripod is the only way to superb quality every time.

Handheld. With Pentax, Sony and Olympus you can shoot lenses like 50/1.4 stabilized. Works well.
Canon and Nikon offer IS/VR zooms which work well too.

ISO 800-1600 isn't a problem if you nail your exposure and have even some experience in post work. Depends on the print size also, of course. For something small like 8x10 - 12x18 it's not that critical and ISO 800 is just fine.
>> Anonymous
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i forgot how XBOX HUEG the d50 was compared to the d40

too bad the d40 fails so much
>> Anonymous
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>>237275ISO 800-1600 isn't a problem

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237318
why the hell would anyone buy a 3/50?
>> M?e?e?s?e??? !iZn5BCIpug
>>237334
Why the hell would anyone buy a sony DSRL.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237344
<3 Probably because they want something that actually oh forget it, i cant be bothered to insult _everyone_ at the moment, just all be insulted.
>> Anonymous
>>237334
Sony su-- wait what? That came as a bit of a shock.
Still, I can see many people buying it because it has the highest number (below 700), when they see it next to the other sony consumer models. Also, the liveview/flip screen is supposedly very good, for those that actually use that stuff.

Can't believe I'm defending Sony from a Butterfly attack.
>> Anonymous
too bad even after all the sony hype, nikon will still sell more d60s then all sony dslrs combined
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237346
its supposed to be a long running thing that i think the A3/50 is rather rubbish (lolbuton, push it does nothing) and the A700 has stupid noise reduction on it.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237350
yeah, no.
>> Anonymous
>>237353yeah, no.

butthurt much?

it's not exactly a secret that both canon's xti and nikon's d40, as a single unit, sell more than all models of the 3 lesser brands combined
>> Anonymous
Sony A200 is the best entry-level DSLR on the market, by any company.
>> Anonymous
>>237361
Along with Pentax K200D and Olympus E520.
>> Anonymous
Dresdner Kleinwort is expecting stiff price competion this year, as indicated by Canon's rather aggresive sales target.


> D-SLR shipment forecasts (financial year 08/09)
> 1000 units (previous year)
>
> 1 Canon [fiscal year 2008] 4,400 (3,200)
> 2 Nikon 3,300 (3,090)
> 3 Sony 900 (400)
> 4 Olympus 600 (500)
> 5 Pentax 520 (350)
> 6 Matsushita 75 (50)
>Total 9,795 (7,590)
>
> Source: Company data, Dresdner Kleinwort Research estimates
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237358
no because the last sales figures i saw (which are now horribly out of date) had sony trouncing everyone but canon.

its not even quality, sony has godly advertising, nikon cant stand up to that.
>> Anonymous
> Compact DSC shipment forecasts (financial year 08/09)
> 1000 units (previous year)
>
> 1 Sony 26,000 (23,500)
> 2 Canon [fiscal year 2008] 25,000 (21,400)
> 3 Matsushita 13,000 (9,700)
> 4 Olympus 12,000 (11,300)
> 5 Nikon 9,300 (8,550)
> 6 Fuji 9,000 (8,000)
> 7 Casio 8,000 (6,850)
> 8 Pentax 2,000 (2,570)
>
> Total 104,300 (91,870)
>
> Source: Company Data
>> Anonymous
>>237371no because the last sales figures i saw (which are now horribly out of date) had sony trouncing everyone but canon.

yeah, sure.. Sony sells more dslrs than Nikon

keep on fucking dreaming idiot

you must be confusing sony's c-c-c-c-c-cybershots
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237371
>>237372
>>237369
Those would have been overal figures *blush*
>> Anonymous
IDC (International Data Corporation) recently released its report on global trends and sales in the digital-SLR-camera market in 2007, and there are some interesting numbers.

Total shipments of digital cameras totalled around 131m last year, up 24pc from 2006, and 45pc from 2005.

dSLR year-on-year growth was 41pc, up to 7.5m units, helped by strong demand in the US, Eastern Europe, and parts of Asia.

Canon remained the no.1 dSLR company with approximately 3.2m units shipped. However, the report noted that Nikon, with 3m units, was catching up fast. Sony and Olympus made up the third and fourth places with around 450k apiece.

In the grand scheme of things, Canon remained the no.1 vendor for digital cameras, followed by Sony, shipping some 20.1m units. Kodak came in third, with Samsung, shipping around 12.6m, making the top-four.

Which digital camera do you own? Have you thought about purchasing a dSLR, if you don't own one already, and, if so, which brand and model?

Canon and Nikon own the dSLR market, but Sony and Samsung are slowly, but surely, launching models that can be considered viable alternatives.
so according to butterfly, 450,000 > 3,100,000
>> Anonymous
When it comes to the strategically important and fast-growing market of SLR cameras, Canon remained No. 1 worldwide in 2007 but lost share to Nikon, new statistics show.

Canon sold 3.18 million single-lens reflex cameras in 2007 compared with Nikon's 2.98 million, according to a study released Tuesday by market researcher IDC. That represents a 42.7 percent and 40 percent share, respectively, of the 2007 SLR market. It's a much narrower margin for Canon than in 2006, when it had 46.7 percent of the market, compared with Nikon's 33 percent.

Nikon SLR shipments grew at a 71.1 percent rate, much faster than Canon's 29.3 percent rate, IDC said. To be sure, unit shipments don't reflect another important aspect of market share--revenue, which IDC didn't detail. But Nikon released competitive higher-end models, the D3 and D300, in the second half of 2007, so there's plenty of pressure on Canon there, too.

The SLR market is of major importance to camera makers: it's competitive, and the SLR market is far less saturated than the compact camera market, where camera makers are focusing on getting people to buy replacements or multiple models. SLRs offer much faster performance and higher image-quality than compact models, and lenses can be changed for different shooting styles. Thus, photographers have been flocking to SLRs as prices drop.

The overall SLR market surged 41 percent to 7.45 million units, much faster than the 22.7 percent growth to 123.3 million units for compacts, according to the IDC stats.

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lol guys, sony sells more dslrs than nikon
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saved for ulterior motives

i lold @ godly advertising

>> too bad even after all the sony hype, nikon will still sell more d60s then all sony dslrs combined
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237399
>>237396
You got any indivdual figures for bodies or just overal numbers since sony only have bottom end bodies at the moment. Currently you're not really saying anything either way.
>> Anonymous
>>237408

the D40 from Nikon and the XT and XTi from Canon all have been dubbed "best selling camera" from either manufacturer

they both sell about 3 million dSRLs

Nikon doesn't sell that many D300 and D3, Canon doesn't sell that many 1Ds, 1D or 5D

it's really not a stretch if they sell a million D40s and a million XTis

it's really funny how you tried to justify it by saying Sony only has low end bodies and claiming Sony sold more dSLRs than Nikon

you should just stick to your old "Sony is new" argument, that one works a lot better than Sony sells more than Nikon
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237410
I was asking because im marginally interested in whos selling the most. I hardly see sonys out and about anyway so its hardly throwing itself off the shelves.
>> Anonymous
450,000 divided in 5 continents

you do the math as to why you don't see them in the streets
>> Anonymous
The D80 is Nikon's best selling model.

Which helps to explain why Nikon's taking their time in replacing it.

And fuckin LOL @ Sony selling more DSLRs than Canon or Nikon. Fucking idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>237410

D3 account for about 0.9% of sells, the D300 is about 4.4% according to Japanese figures.

The only pros i've seen shoot with Sony are sponsored by them
>> Anonymous
>>237421The D80 is Nikon's best selling model.

all time or what?

regardless, i'm pretty sure the d40 is their all time best selling model
>> Anonymous
For what it's worth, the Canon XTi is the widely used camera on Flickr according to their usage charts, and by a large margin.
>> Anonymous
>>237429

It would be close to all time considering DSLRs sell in volumes unmatched by the film days. The D70/s would be close to all time too, dont have those figures.

The D40 isn't anywhere close to the D80, which is surprising, but the cheapest model isn't always the best seller.

Especially when you consider the D40 was replaced by the D40/x within a few months and then the D60 came along, those 3 models combined beat the D80 outright. But when you have a great camera in it's own market segment for 2 years. Welll....

Here are Japanese figures, trying to get the North American ones since European isn't far off.

Makers:
Nikon: 40.7%
Canon: 40.6%
Sony: 8.6%
Olympus: 5.3%
Pentax: 4.4%

Sony has done well considering how many of their models are new. Olympus and Pentax are in a bit if a bind.

This is the market share for individual camera models:

Canon XSi/450D: 14.5%
Canon XTi/400D: 14.4%
Nikon D80: 13.1%
Canon 40D: 9.9%
Nikon D40: 9.2%
Nikon D60: 9.1%
Nikon D300: 4.4%
Sony A350: 4.1%
Nikon D40x: 3.8%
Sony A200: 2.8%
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>237427
Ive never seen a pro Sony or Minolta photog.

>>237431
XTi = Rebel = flickr
>> Anonymous
What about a D200?
>> beethy !xjvYygZYCQ
>>237435
BUT YOU'RE PRO BUTTERFLY.
>> Anonymous
OP here - thanks for the comments, and an interesting digression >:3
>> beethy !vW/UaE6zYU
>>237481
fuck, i love you