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10-megapixels under €500 Anonymous
I was shopping and saw that there are several 10-megapixel cameras for under €500 this xmas season.

What do you think of them? Good enough for freelance photos?

I was originally thinking of buying a dSLR, possibly a nikon 6-megapixel. But I thought it was a bit large and heavy.
>> Rawr !pBDDkuoH3.
"Freelance photos"? For what? Newspapers? You do realize that a lot of pros were using 3-4mpixel dSLRs up until 1-2 years ago, and many still are?

Or did you mean "Freelance photos" in terms of "I think I know what I'm doing and I might want to try and sell some photos to someone"? Because that's not "freelance photography."

Prosumer digital cameras over 4-5Mpixel will have horrendous noise (or really bad "noise reduction", aka, "marketing-speak for blurring" to cover up noise), because the sensors are very tiny (the smaller the sensor, the more sensors per wafer. The more sensors per wafer, the more $$$$ per wafer.) The smaller each pixel on the sensor, the more amplification it needs- which equals more noise.

If you are expecting anything even remotely approaching, say, a 3-4 year old 6 megapixel dSLR where the sensor is four times the area of almost any consumer camera- you'll be horribly disappointed, especially in poor lighting conditions. My 10D shoots photos that have less noise and better focus at 400 ISO, than cameras on the market today with 2-4mpixel more resolution, shooting at 100 ISO.

Want a good example of this? Sony's 8MP F828 (or whatever the hell it was called) which came out shortly after the 10D. A lot of people went "ZOMG 2 MORE MPIXELS!" and switched. Too bad the sensor was a fraction of the size and one of the noisiest digital cameras of its time.

Canon's G series is also infamous for atrocious noise problems.
>> Film whore
instead of being a tool and getting a overpriced digital piece of junk, you could get a medium format camera for the same price, and create gorgeous huge prints (equivalent to about 40 megapixels)

plus real photographers will actually respect you
>> Anonymous
>>31709
for paid / commercial work, I'm going to agree with you, But Otherwise the cost and bulk of medium format (printing, lenses and even finding film for them) Is a major pain in the ass.

Film is good for some people but definitely not all
>> Anonymous
>>31714

Hell I'd only do medium format if it was a) in digital and b) does not need a mortgage to actually acquire.
>> Film whore
>>31716
LOLOL medium format digital = Hasselblad H3
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Search&A=details&Q=&sku=463797&is=
REG&addedTroughType=search
thirty one thousand dollars
and as for your moronic statement about price- I'm a 19 year old art student, and i own a mamiya RB67 pro-s, as well as a Arca-Swiss M-Line 5x7 (and a nikon 8008, but this is about large and medium format, not 35)- and i make barely no income. how do i do it? ebay sniping/selling prints

as for film: 120 film is very easy to find, and printing is only a moderate cost (about 70 dollars a week if you make 20 finished 11x14 bw prints/ or 15 color) if youre around any college, darkrooms arent hard to comeby.

lastly- real photographers wont laugh at you when you call YOURSELF a photographer if you shoot a real camera, and not some overpriced piece of junk
>> Anonymous
>>31718
elitist much? if you're striving to be a new kind of /p/ troll, well, it's been done before.
>> Film whore
>>31720
not an elitist- attempting to strike down the digital camera- i despise it
>> Anonymous
>>31722
overthrowing the evil digital photography illuminati, one forum post at a time, huh? that's possibly worse than the lunix trolls striking down microsoft over in /g/.
>> des
>>31722
>>not an elitist-
>>a real camera

Right.
Film-sourced is great, digital-sourced is great, film with digital workflow is great; everything is great. No one cares what you're using save elitists and me-too failed elitists. As long as it gets the job done. Whether that job is commercial photography, fineart or just having fun (god forbid). The best camera is the one in your hand.
We don't even know what the OP meant by what he said. 4chan has quite a bit of people who don't speak english as their first language; note he had his price range in euros. He might just have made a poor choice of word. I can understand biases, I've them myself, but talking down to someone just looking for some friendly advice is shitty.
Come on, /p/, can't we all just get along? <3
>> Anonymous
>>31725
I agree with you there,
also Clients have no idea WTF you are using anyway, so as long as the results are what they want they don't give a shit. Maybe if a bunch of photographers get together and start comparing dick size I mean film size, Then the "real camera" would matter, But Results are all people want.
>> Anonymous
I love the so called anti-elitist elitists in this thread.
>> Film whore
>>31730
the results of a large/medium format camera over a 35/digital are immediately noticable
>> Anonymous
>>31733
noticable to someone who knows about photography, People pay you because they think you can do a better job than them, or they don't have the time.

In the end unless your prints are going to be freaking huge (poster sized) a DSLR, or SLR are going to get you along just fine. Theres a reason why most magazine add, and commercial photographers use Medium or Large format.

For the rest of us, Digital or SLR is just fine.

And before you start nitpicking, Freelance probably doesn't mean Commercial Photoshoots, Then you can argue more about lighting setups than the camera, as thats more important.
>> Jeremo !iKGMr61IHM
FLAME ON!
>> Anonymous
>>31735
Personally, I think you are wrong ... people settle for 35mm because they don't want to use what is better for the job. Usually I either run around with a Mamiya 7 or a Hasselblad 501CM to do my work. Work worth doing is worth doing right. It is better to give the customer the best results you can than to half ass it and give them the bare minimum you think they will be happy with. But then again, thats why I get paid to take pictures for people.

35mm is fine for farting around, but it just doesn't cut it for business.

And before you argue corprate vs freelance ... I do the same work for both if I can deem it feasable. I base my Price on the customer, what they intend to do with it, and sometimes how much work it might take to get the job done (Some jobs can take almost a day of setting up lighting just to get a decent shot of an item. Granted this is almost alway corporate). If I'm feeling particularly intersted I may do the job for free or for a copy of the negs (This IS also my hobby after all, should I charge for my enjoyment).
>> Anonymous
>>31718
it's over ni-
bleh.