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dust removal Anonymous
so, how Important are dust removal and shake reduction features when it comes to DSLRs?
because I'm trying to decide between a nikon D80 and a pentax K10D

also, can I use my old lenses that I used with my nikon F301 and my F50? (all MF anyway)
or are there any limitations I have to bear?
>> Anonymous
In-body shake reduction = very useful (you can buy VR lenses for Nikon, but most of them tend to be expensive)

Dust removal = it's nice when it actually works, which is not the case with K10D, so you shouldn't care.

>also, can I use my old lenses that I used with my nikon F301 and my F50? (all MF anyway)
Yes, but D80 won't meter with MF lenses. You have to get a D200 or D300 to get metering.
>> Martin !!ve2Q1ETWmJH
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I love my D80 :3
>> Anonymous
>>185497
stupid question, but you do talk about metering shutter speed/aperture, right?
>> Anonymous
The in-body shake reduction on the K10D is really awesome. I've been able to get some very nice slow shutter photos without a tripod that wouldn't be possible without it. It also means you can get better photos using shitty lenses, which is nice if you're a poorfag or just want to get lots of lenses to fuck around with.

But Anon is right that the dust removal feature doesn't work.
Dust removal doesn't really work on any camera currently on the market.
>> Anonymous
>>185499

Have you ever posted any pictures, you fucking faggot?
>> Anonymous
>>185507
>Dust removal doesn't really work on any camera currently on the market.

It works pretty well on olympus' lineup, and also, *I've heard*, on the new high end canons (1dsmk3, at least, and possibly also the 40d). Fwiw, here's a test conducted some time ago: http://pixinfo.com/en/articles/ccd-dust-removal/
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>>185521
>It works pretty well on olympus' lineup

Suggesting Olympus = troll

Good day to you, sir.
>> okto
>>185541
iono, Oly has a pretty nice system. It's no Nikon or Canon, but it's not that price, either.

I can vouch for Pentax's DSLRs, I owned a K100D and the vibration reduction was kind of like magic—especially since it even works with old manual lenses. Also, the Pentax K system will let you use manual focus glass from other systems with adapters. The same is not true for Nikon. If you tend to shoot more slowly and manual focus won't hamper you, that's something to consider.
>> Anonymous
oh hey guys, let's save $100 when buying a olympus kit and get fucked later on
>> Anonymous
>>185627
Not to turn this into a olympus flame war, but in what way would one get fucked later on? Maybe I'm blinded by buyers remorse and whatnot, but there really isn't anything I miss from my oly gear, nor do I miss anything from a potential upgrade path (except for maybe some more pancakes). However, there are things that olympus (and to a certain extent also pentax) provides that the "infinitely" much larger canikon systems don't. Namely small bodies with af pancakes (0,5kg for camera+lens) and image stabilization on fast normal primes (like the summilux and sigma 30mm).
>> Anonymous
>>185627

Good question.
I dunno!
>> Anonymous
>>185541

only fags use this picture. get out.
>> Einta !!MWv3ICYobCM
>>185654
When deciding to go Canon, I bemoaned the lack of IS on fast primes, particularly 50mms. After using them for a while though, I'm not quite sure what the problem is? If you're taking shots of people at low focal lengths, it gets less and less important to have IS.

Sure, at 50/80mm I'd like IS. It would be convenient. No dealbreaker though.

At 30mm, who cares? I can handhold non-IS lenses at 1/focallength on a crop, so 1/30 is about as fast as IS would get me anyway with a 30mm prime considering human movement.
>> Anonymous
>>185494
Coming from a guy who owns the Nikon D80, and is extremely pleased with it, the Pentax K10d and the D80 are very similar camera's, the Nikon fits like a glove, and is very easy to use, but the Pentax offers more out of the box. For example it's built like a tank, has more manual controls on the back of the camera, weather sealing, dust removal, and the shake reduction. Honestly, if I didn't own a N80, and a bunch of film lenses I almost certainly would of gone for the K10d... also check out the newer K200d, it's quite a bit smaller and has most of the same features as the K10D. hope this helps.
>> washer !kxrJVlZ8OE
the pentax k20 looks very attractive as well.
>> Anonymous
>>185728
I can handhold non-IS lenses at 2/focallength on Canon crop if I try hard enough. IS in this case just allows you to forget about camera shake completely, which is a nice thing.
>> Anonymous
>>185728
50mm on Canon = 80 mm on a film camera
30mm on Olympus = 60 mm on a film camera
Not a big difference
>> Anonymous
>>186128
Just like there's not much of a difference between 50mm and 80mm amirite?
>> Anonymous
>>186131
There's more difference between 50 and 80 than between 60 and 80. SIMPLE MATH LOL
>> Anonymous
>>186133
oh wait, did he mean the 30mm on 4/3rds isnt as far away from 50mm as a 50mm is from such a number on a 1.6-1.5 sensor?