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NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
Finally a good subject for that bellows I picked up.

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>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
OMGZORZ THIS SUPPOSE BE WORKSAFE OMGOMG
>> Anonymous
>>153101
high school student
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
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>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
>>153117
Stop down to f/22, dude. Seriously.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153118
...it's 40$ bellows
you can't
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>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
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>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153119
Yeah you can, you just have to be sneaky.
1. Stop down to f/22
2. Hold down the DoF-preview button
3. Unmount the lens
4. Remount on the extension tube
5. Get a shit-ton of light, 'cause you're now manually focusing at f/22
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
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>>153124
I'll do that next time, but in my defense I was having a hard enough time focusing this hand-held. Grant it I could've pop this up to 400iso, which is okay, not great, if you don't sharpen. All of these were with flash so hand held exposure at f22 would've been not possible, maybe f11.

Anyway, last one. Don't have the light anymore to go take more.

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>> Anonymous
>>153124
alternatively get a lens that has an aperture ring
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>153124
The aperture controls on sonyminoltas are spring loaded so they are always at f22 when not on body. Quite irritating for just holding infont of lens extrem macro setup!
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153128
That's what I used to do with my friends A-1 bellows macro set. He's in a different state though.
>> heavyweather !4AIf7oXcbA
Pro-tip: if you're doing extreme closeup macro work, you need a flash. Otherwise you have such thin depth of field, it's unusable.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153138
I was using a 430ex
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153128
Not sure if that's possible given what he's shooting with. No EF lenses have aperture rings.

(It is, however, possible that there are bellows out there with an EF mount on one end and a non-EF mount on the other so he could mount a lens from a different manufacturer with an aperture ring)
>> Anonymous
>>153143
>No EF lenses have aperture rings.

You're kidding?

That's pathetic.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153166
besides this situation, when would you actually need to be able to do it on the lens and not through the camera?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153166
I know! What's worse, EOS bodies don't have a built-in dark cloth for viewing the image on a 4x5" ground glass plate, nor do they have separate controls for cocking the shutter and advancing the film.

It's just mindboggling how Canon would dare leave off features that it makes no sense to put on their cameras.
>> Anonymous
>>153174
An aperture ring would add what, $10 to the price?

And there would be two advantages:

1. An alternate way of setting it for people who want to set it that way. Less so now with everyone used to control dials, but when the EOS system was first introduced, aperture rings probably felt more natural to 90% of photographers, just because they had used them for twenty years.

2. A manual back-up if the aperture control dial fails.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153198
you're an epic troll
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153198
>when the EOS system was first introduced, aperture rings probably felt more natural to 90% of photographers, just because they had used them for twenty years.
Yeah, that's probably one of the biggest things that lead to the absolute failure of the EOS system and Canon's eventual bankruptcy in 1992.

>A manual back-up if the aperture control dial fails.
It would be a really weird user interface. Nikon has it like that with its pre-G lenses, where you have to have the aperture knob set to a specific aperture or it doesn't work properly.

Additionally, it's another potential point of mechanical failure for a lens (and remember, EOS lenses were already complicated for their day, since this was the start of the AF era), another thing that has to be weather sealed in the high-end lenses. And all of this for zero benefit to the vast, vast majority of photographers, and very little benefit even to the tiny few who would ever derive any benefit whatsoever from it.

Shit, I've been trolled again, haven't I?
>> Anonymous
>>153205Canon's eventual bankruptcy in 1992.

If you meant that the advent of EOS, that's 1987.
>> Anonymous
>>153203
No, I'm not a troll. I just honestly think there's no reason to offer less options for controlling anything. There's no reason why a car's transmission should only be automatic or manual, either. Offer both; have a switch toggle between them or something. Or how Thinkpad laptops have the little red thing in the middle of they keyboard- people can choose that or the pad like on other laptops.

See where I'm going?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153207
I know, but in the fantasy world I was positing, I assumed that it would still take 'em a while to go under.

>>153208
There are two good reasons:
1. It would make things more complex. Design, manufacture, usage. More complexity means less reliability or higher costs (or, more often, both).
2. It would make things more expensive. Granted, this is a subset of point #1. but it's an important one. I think you're underestimating that $10 estimate you added to the price, especially when you consider that you're also going to have to add some sort of mechanical linkage to the camera body so it can know when you've changed the lens aperture mechanically (remember that the EOS mount has no mechanical linkages in its actual form, so this would be a significant addition of complexity to both bodies and lenses)
>> Anonymous
>>153208
no

if you really need your aperture ring don't buy an EOS and go be a nikon/pentax/whatever troll somewhere else.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153208
but it still comes down to that no one would really use it

the points of another spot to weather seal, added complexity, and cost far outweigh any supposed benefit of having an aperture ring.

The only reason I'm having the problem is because I'm too broke to buy the 200$ bellows that has the circuit link in it. Though if once I get back home I am going to Jimmy the link in myself.
>> Anonymous
>>153217
I get where you're coming from, but:

1. One more component in a modern SLR isn't too much, especially when not essential to its function. (The aperture ring, in this theoretical set-up, would do nothing if the user was controlling it from the body.) Do you know if your direct print button is working?

2. Would it have to be a mechanical linkage, though? An electronic signal to say "this is set to be controlled by the body" or "this is set to f/11" would be very simple, as simple as the lens telling the body the focus distance and whether it is set to manual or autofocus.

And there's no reason why this aperture ring would have to be a true mechanical aperture ring, either: just another control dial for it on the lens, basically, as an option and as a backup, so people wouldn't be stuck in shutter priority if the aperture control dial went wrong.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153233
Except in the 3 years I've been shooting and researching Canon I've never ever of that happening. I've heard of the lens failing, but not he camera.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153233
>And there's no reason why this aperture ring would have to be a true mechanical aperture ring, either
Just to bring this full circle:

If it weren't a true mechanical aperture ring, it would be just as useless as the on-body aperture control when you were using it through a bellows or lens reverser or anything. So it would remove the vast majority of the tiny, tiny percentage of actual use that having an aperture ring on the lens would have.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
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A few of the little buggers were out this morning. Tried that aperture trick, worked decently but was still a bugger to focus with.

Better?

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>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>153534
That's pretty fuckin' epic.
>> Anonymous
>>153534
How much is this cropped?
Great shot btw, much better than the other ones
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153555
it's maybe like 70% of the original image? basically took the original file and made it square by taking from the sides
>> fence !!POey2hdozCZ
>>153534

that's definitely much better than the others. really pretty awesome. almost makes me want to go buy some bellows myself.
>> NatureGuy !se3A3TwzdY
>>153573
they're cheaper than a good polarizer on ebay
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>> Anonymous
>>153124

THANK YOU! Seriously. That's some good advice.