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Anonymous
ello /p/

I've been wanting to get a real professional camera kit but I don't know which is a good choice with price and quality

I've been wanting to take pictures like the one to the left
(pic does not belong to me though)

Can anybody give me their opinions?
>> Anonymous
Skills come before the camera. Do you know how to use a camera properly? Do you know about exposure? Do you know how to control aperture and shutter speed to get the kind of photo you want?
>> Anonymous
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Any camera with a marginally decent lens will take a picture like that. There is nothing about that photo that would require special equipment.

If you're interested in doing a lot of black and white landscape-type stuff, I'd highly recommend any of the medium format SLR or TLR cameras on the market. An old Graflex 4x5 would also be a great option, but much more complicated to use. You should also learn to process your own film.

If you're set on digital, any DSLR is fine. Seriously, it doesn't matter which one and anybody who tells you otherwise is a gear whore who is more interested in cameras than photography. Just find one that you like the feel of and that fits in your price range.
>> Anonymous
>>135377If you're set on digital, any DSLR is fine.

anything but olympus, lol
>> Anonymous !SDPEsPMnww
>>135380
and sony lol
>> Anonymous
>>135383

Also Canon and Pentax are a bit bleh.
>> Anonymous
>>135383
3/10
>>135404
0/10
>> Anonymous
>>135380
>>135383

I'm sick of this brandhate screwing up the board.

Olympus was the first company to try most of the new technologies we've had in the last few years. The only real problems with the four-thirds systems are the small finders and lack of primes. Olympus at least tried something innovative- a mount designed around the details of digital, instead of just shoving a CMOS into a film line. They didn't do as well as they could've, but the four-thirds system, for all its flaws, has been a major incubator for new digital technologies. They'll come a time when we'll be past the F-mount and the EOS mount, and the new mount will probably resemble four-thirds more than anything else, just with a larger sensor and wider aspect ratio.

And the small finders thing applies equally to your Rebel and D40. Manually focusing is difficult as hell with all of them, so if I had to shoot with one of those I'd autofocus. Not what I like, but the point is if you autofocus you have no reason to bitch about four-thirds.

The prime situation might be starting to get fixed, too; there's a new Zuiko 25/2.8 pancake lens, and while I prefer wider normals, it's a step in the right direction.

There's also nothing really wrong with the Sony system except the silly-looking "a" as its name. The sensors are pretty much the same as Nikon's and sensor-shift stabilization ought to be standard on everything. Wouldn't it be nice if Canon and Nikon users could slap the $80 50/1.8 on their cameras and have them stabilized?

I don't see any reason to go with Sony over Nikon or Pentax, at least on the spec sheet, though someone who likes the feel of a Sony DSLR obviously ought to buy one. All three brands are 1.5x crop, and Pentax offers sensor-shift, too, and Nikon has a wider set of legacy lenses and probably a larger used market than the the old Minolta stuff. But Sonys are just as capable cameras in the end as any other APS-C DSLR system.
>> Anonymous !SDPEsPMnww
>>135409
It's not brandhate, we're just kidding for the most part. Your panties are in a bunch, so you might want to fix that.
>> Anonymous
there is professional and pro-sumer. you can't afford either. get a d40.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>135409
that "silly looking a" has been part of the minolta brand for FOREVER in asia. Learn2history.

Also if we didnt argue about brands we'd have nothing else to do since none of us ever take photos...
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
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>>135468
Hey, I take photos.

Just, you know, shitty ones. Pic related.

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeCanonCamera ModelCanon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XTiFirmware VersionFirmware 1.1.1Owner NameunknownSerial Number0420104373Lens Size80.00 - 200.00 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandImage Created2008:03:04 19:51:40Exposure Time1/160 secF-Numberf/5.6Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/5.6Exposure Bias0 EVFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length200.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width682Image Height1024RenderingNormalExposure ModeManualScene Capture TypeStandardCamera Actuations-241631136Color Matrix129Color Temperature5200 KExposure ModeManualFocus TypeAutoMetering ModeCenter-WeightedSharpnessUnknownSaturationNormalContrastNormalShooting ModeManualImage SizeUnknownFocus ModeOne-ShotDrive ModeSingleFlash ModeOffCompression SettingUnknownMacro ModeNormalWhite BalanceAutoExposure Compensation3Sensor ISO Speed160
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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>>135474
So do I!

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwarePicasa 3.0Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Focal Length (35mm Equiv)75 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationUnknownHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:07 15:48:28White Point Chromaticity0.3Exposure Time1/640 secF-Numberf/2.8Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating200Brightness7.4 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length50.00 mmColor Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width1024Image Height683RenderingNormalExposure ModeManualWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessHardUnique Image IDe5ca9bf51f7845b0fa41b210159ca042
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
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<3

Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeSONYCamera ModelDSLR-A100Camera SoftwarePicasa 3.0Maximum Lens Aperturef/6.3Focal Length (35mm Equiv)450 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationUnknownHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2008:02:18 17:23:20White Point Chromaticity0.3Exposure Time1/320 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating200Brightness7.6 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length300.00 mmColor Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width683Image Height1024RenderingNormalExposure ModeManualWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalUnique Image ID644228a0ed021f7ee394d17e18ea9330
>> Anonymous
>>135468
I love how you're a dick to the only other person on the board praising Sony.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>135500
I think hes _CLEARLY_ an olympus troll.
>> VaderVillain !ZQ3OY9tdck
>>135468
the is silly looking, i never noticed. i historied.
>> VaderVillain !ZQ3OY9tdck
>>135505
+a
>> Bew
>>135468
it still looks silly, the fact that it has been a part of the minolta brand FOREVER only makes it very old and silly looking
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>135508
I didnt say it didnt look silly (which it doesnt) but that its an old logo from minolta not something sony came up with.
>> Anonymous
>>135364
Iz dat sum HDR b&w?!
>> Anonymous
>>135511
Looks like it. B&W HDR is surprisingly less faggy than usual HDR.
>> Anonymous
>>135521Looks like it. B&W HDR is surprisingly less faggy than usual HDR.

But then you have the issue of making an instant art B&W picture.
>> Anonymous
>>135511
>>135521
>>135561
It could be HDR, but most likely not. Black and white film has a huge amount of dynamic range, and if you do a good job printing it it will look like this.
>> Anonymous
>>135600
You can't simulate the halos resulting from tone-mapping with any kind of film postprocessing.
>> Anonymous
>>135619
Kodak HIE, anyone?

Though I do think this is HDR.
>> Anonymous
>>135619
Uh, yeah you can. That's what a contrast mask is.
>> Anonymous
>>135851
QFT
In the hands of a talented practitioner, B&W film and traditional chemical processes can still pwn HDR