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beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
hey /p/
i need some info from a fellow ausfag

as i took this photo i was planning to do a series on buildings (boringlol)
anyway, as i did one of the place i work at... i got approached by a security guard.
"dont take photos, etc"
i asked how i can take photos of buildings, he said to go up to building management.
i made my way up, talked to some guy in building management
aside from the fact that he was a total prick, he said i cannot take photos of the building at all, anywhere. and cannot get permission.
he said he was going to get me escorted out if i did not leave.

as far as i'm aware, in australia.. any area that is accessible by the public (like a courtyard in front of a building) .. you're allowed to take photos. it is not against the law

so /p/, legally.. where do i stand?
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>> Anonymous
Most first world nations the rules are basically:

anything you can see from a public area, you are allowed to take pictures of, within reason,

and

every person is entitled to a reasonable expectation of privacy.

So standing on a public street in a city and taking pictures of building: 100% legal. They can't even make you stop or surrender your film/card/camera.

Exceptions to this rule may include airports, shipyards, military bases, gas/oil terminals, bridges, etc. In australia you are probably more free than us in north america regarding things like bridges.

As to the second, if a person is somewhere they expect to have privacy, you can be in trouble for photographing them even from public area. Eg standing in the street and shooting in their open window. Technically legal one way, but they expect to have privacy indoors.

Oh, and one more thing: Unless the person hassling you is police or military, you don't have to do shit for them. Building security and rent-a-cops cannot force you to surrender film, show ID or even give your name. If you're on their property (in a mall etc) they could make you leave, but that's it.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130148
isn't it kinda gay they can make me leave even though i work in that building?
that's the confusing part
>> Anonymous
>>130140
Best advice i can give is to get some laws printed on paper and carry them with you. Then when they approach you, you can show them that you are allowed to do that.

Your local cameragroup etc. might be able to help you get those papers which clearly state your rights.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130166
thanks, i'll ask around!
>> Anonymous
>>130166Best advice i can give is to get some laws printed on paper and carry them with you. Then when they approach you, you can show them that you are allowed to do that.

lol, that's just a great way to get yourself shot when reaching in your camera bag and they think you're getting your gun.
>> Anonymous
>>130182
Is that a fucking joke? What country do you live in? I'm an American and I'm afraid as FUCK of my government, but I still wouldn't expect to get shot for reaching into a fucking camera bag. Are you a nigger or something?
>> Anonymous
>>130184
If you're talking to the police in the US then I would expect getting tased or something similar for reaching into any bag without asking first. And yes, I live here. The police are fucking dickbags.
>> Anonymous
It's probably for the best. Building management knew you were just going to shoop the shit out of it and make their nice building look like 13 year old girl's myspace profile picture.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130200
i lol'd
>> Anonymous
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>>130188
>If you're talking to the police in the US
>you're
>> Anonymous
>>130218

...

Shut

the

fuck

up.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>130227
you'er = you are

if you are talking to...

?

>>130228
your posting only makes him troll harder.
>> Anonymous
>>130233
>>130233

I see no troll..

I see a noob photographer (like we all was once), asking questions we all needed to find out at some point...
>> Jeremo
Beethy,

You have perfect legal right to do what you did. It's nice of you to actually bother to speak to the buidling management and be treated like that... but there's no need.

Have a read of this article mate,

http://www.4020.net/words/photorights.php

It's specific to NSW, but i don't think any other state or territory has anything remarkably different.

Just do what i do when i get hassled, I get all pompous and and wanky like 'Sorry, I'm a lawyer (i'm not i'm a law student) and you don't know what you're talking about'.
>> Jeremo
Oh i just read your post again Beethy

Public places and Publice Accessible places are very very different.

You can take photos of the QVB from George Street, but stepping inside and doing so are different things. The management there has the right to stop you if they feel it's their entitlement. They don't technically have to explain to you either.

With the building, if you were on the ground, the guard can ask you to stop taking photos but that's it. They CAN NOT take your property, harm you in anyway. But in extreme cases they can 'escort' you off the property... if it was the states, this is where you could sue them... but it rarely succeeds in Aus.

Just do it from across the road, or snap away and leave before they can do anything.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>130236
Read what i was quoting then.

(sage cause its been answered n im not being useful)
>> Jeremo
>>130166

that's not a bad idea with carrying the legislation on you at all times. Because even cops don't know their law half the time.

In extreme cases if the cops get called, it's a nice piece of evidence to prove what we do is perfectly fuckin legal.
>> Anonymous
maybe you shouldn't be in a country started by exiled inmates.

in the US, we have no privacy. Pictures of everything for all.
>> Anonymous
>>130261

Erm, no. Try getting told that taking pictures of a lovely rusty bridge is illegal because of terrorism. With the patriot act I'm lucky I've never gotten arrested without charges for doing things like that.

And never mind things like airplanes at airports, or big oil tankers....you'll be in PMITA prison within seconds.
>> Anonymous
>>130261
considering you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, kindly shut the fuck up.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>130265
I would imagine that joining a photo agency would help you a lot in these sorts of situations.

Here so long as you dont have a towel on your head and fairly white skin you can do whatever you want with a camera short of taking pictures of the army base interiors (although you could probably get away with not dieing).

UK > *

Also, lets take a moment to think of china.
>> Anonymous
Within the US anyhow, it is my understanding that you can take photos from outside their property as much as you like.

If you are on their property in a publicly accessible area, I believe you are still entitled to take photos. However, if you are asked to leave, you must do so.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130239
>>130248
>>130252
Thanks heaps Jeremo.
I'll make sure to carry something.... with me when I've got my gear on me
>> sv !!vC9KZM3Ch/H
I carry a document with me at all times. I've never been bothered, though.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>130267
UK is the ultimate nanny state, I remember reading an article about someone getting their camera confiscated because of a law that "actually wasn't passed" when they were taking pics of their kid at a park. That among many other things
the whole Turban on your head or Brown skin / terrorist stereotype is pretty bad too.

Canada is where its at for photographic freedom, Everyone assumes you are a birdwatcher or landscape photographer. That and the low violent crime rate means I never worry about carrying around 3000-4000$ in camera gear (I still don't leave it in my car however)
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>130297
A mean stare and a large camera will pretty much let you do what you want here. Shooting little kids is stupid but just tell them you're working for a stock agency etc etc.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130297
Hey Vincent, totally off topic .. but.
As you might know, I'm originally from the Netherlands.. have been in Australia for about 3 years now.
I've actually considered moving to Canada to live there for about a year.

Is Canada a great place, or?
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>130320
Depends on where you live, It can be awesome, or well.. not so awesome

Cities of Interest for you (Good summer + winters, And all on the west coast)
Vancouver, (And any area around it, Plus you won't need a car to get around here)
Victoria
Kelowna (Where I live, Currently the most expensive place to live in Canada, though there some much cheaper places within 5-20 minutes away (Vernon, Westbank, Peachland, Winfield etc..)
Banff (little small, but nice)
Whistler (good luck 2010 olympics coming up = probably more expensive than Kelowna now)

Then if you can stomach nasty winters, Places like Calgary, Prince George, Edmonton, Nanaimo

On the east coast I'm not the one to ask. Some other Ontariofags can probably give you a better idea.
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>130320
What do you do for work actually? Kelowna is largely a pink collar industry, (based on supporting a largely middle class retiree community) Theres lots of semi low paying service jobs and lots of high paying construction, But very little technology work.
Victoria is much the same way.

Vancouver is the west coast center for all technology related work, IBM, EA, all sorts of major technology corporations and even manufacturing are here for anyone with experience or connections.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130342
shitty office job at vodafone head office
do admin/phone support for big corporate customers
>> Anonymous
Torontofag reporting in, great city to live in and photograph + no need for transportation. Nice weather in the summer, can be fun in the winter sometimes however. Just don't bring photoshop with you.
>> beethy !HJGkSBB3Ao
>>130344
lol

>>130332
Yea I'll probably move to Vancouver, heard good things about it..
>> Vincent !!8LCSE0Zp1mL
>>130354
Good choice, let me know when you go (if you do) I live about 3 hours away from Vancouver, and I make a lot of trips there since I love the city (and lots of big name DJ's go to clubs there)