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I want to get into medium format, and I want a nice inexpensive modular system that has interchangeable backs.

Right now, I'm looking on the Mamiya 645 Supers/Pro/TL because oft he 80/1.9 lens and also looking at the Bronica SQ** series for 6x6 and a slightly nicer look. Also, awesome sync speed.

Do any of you have any experience with either systems? I shoot mostly 35mm and I'm not having any more of that shitty grain.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>227257
They're all good, pro quality systems. Prior to the digital buttfuckery, these cameras were in service with pros around the world. Just pick the one you like and go with it.
>> Anonymous
I shoot with a Mamiya 645 on a fairly regular basis (meaning it is in my bag at all times). Go for the MF versus AF, lenses are 30-60% less and you can get decent used equipment from a variety of places.

I have the 80mm f/2.8 and a 35mm f/3.5, prefer the 35mm.

Your mileage, may however, vary. I'd recommend getting a 645 with a metering head and an 80mm lens to start, but I'd go at least look at both that and the Bronica.

Go with what you're comfortable with and what "feels" right to you.
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I don't know exactly why you want a modular system but if you want something that get you REAL good quality picture for a fair price, you can find a Mamiya C330 with some lens for less than 600$

I've been using mine for 3-4 years and I can tell you it is a real charm to use. A bit heavy but really reliable!
>> Anonymous
I've got an ETRSi that I love and that only fails to see use because I don't have a light metre. Great glass, very sturdy, and relatively cheap since the system is technically dead. If you've got deep pockets you can get new Bronica gear from Tamron, though. Used is still the most economical.
>> Anonymous
>>227325
Why would you pay $600 for a C330 when you can get a newer, smaller, lighter, and probably better SLR kit (M645, ETR, SQ) for $300-500?
>> Anonymous
>>227262
Worst advice ever.

>>227354
6x4.5 vs 6x6, though at around 600$ you got ripped off badly, you can easily get them for 270$ with a fine lens, while M645s for example will cost you around 400$. They're also great for close-ups, if you like to take shots like that. And what does newer mean? Last time I checked, that doesn't mean shit in film world. Smaller and lighter depends on what you use it for. Heavier = easier to get slower shutter speeds. It's easier to get slower shutter speeds anyhow with the C330, since it's a TLR. You'll have quite some mirror shake from an MF SLR. With a TLR your viewfinder won't go dark when you take the shot too, so you can see exactly what you have captured. In the end it really depends on your shooting style though. Both are fine cameras.

OP, why do you need modular? There's rarely any need for other backs then 120, though the ETR has a 35mm back (Panorama-style), though you might as well just crop a 120 roll for the same effect.
>> Anonymous
>>227426Worst advice ever.
Actually they're pretty decent cameras. I've owned two and liked them... they're just not worth $550 no matter what anybody claims.

>6x4.5 vs 6x6
Bronica SQ, besides 6x6 is only desirable if you want to shoot 6x6.

>M645s for example will cost you around 400$
M645 kit with 120 insert, prism, 80mm f/2.8 for $145 on KEH. 645 Super kit for $251.

>And what does newer mean? Last time I checked, that doesn't mean shit in film world.
Apparently you haven't been in the film world very long. Newer often means improved optical designs, improved lens coatings, improved or refined mechanical designs, availability of more advanced metering options, availability of motor drives, easier to find repair services and parts, often more accurate shutter timing and less light seal degradation, and possibly less use or wear and tear. That doesn't render older cameras useless by any stretch of the imagination, but it is something to consider.

>Heavier = easier to get slower shutter speeds.
Only to a point. Ever try shooting handheld with a Speed Graphic at slow shutter speeds? Besides, most any MF camera is going to be well past the point of diminishing returns in that area. That's an argument better suited to compact P&S cameras.

>why do you need modular?
Nobody needs modular, but it sure is nice to have. I like to swap between color slide and black and white film on a shot by shot basis. It's also nice to have the option to shoot both 6x6 and 6x4.5 on the same camera. I also like to be able to switch out finder for whatever is best suited to what I'll be shooting on a given day. If I want a motor drive, I just stick it on. It lets you customize the camera to exactly what you want without owning multiple camera systems.
>> OP
While /p/ was down, I got myself a Mamiya M645 1000s for $450.

With it came a metered and waist level finder + 80/2.8 + 50/2.8. The lack of removable backs does get me down though. It would be nice to have one loaded with slow chrome for daylight, and another with fast b&w for shooting bullets at midnight.