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Sony DSC-R1 Anonymous
Great camera or greatest camera?

- 10.3 MP
- APS-D sensor
- 24-120mm equivalent f/2.8-4.8 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar lens

Winning combination.
>> Anonymous
Fucking slow zoom.
>> Anonymous
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Waist level shooting anyone?
>> Anonymous
Slow
Sensor is one of the worst in APS class
Viewfinder sucks
Weighs and costs only slightly less than a proper DSLR with a decent lens
>> Anonymous
>>165091Fucking slow zoom.

It's not any slower than any other 5x zoom.
>> Anonymous
>>165094
It's not any better either.
You don't pick a slow zoom.
>> Anonymous
We use these for work. I absolutely hate the shit. Vignettes like nobody's business. If it's not a clear, sunny day, the white balance sensor doesn't know what the fuck to do.

Fuck this faggy shit.
>> Anonymous
>>165093Slow

3 FPS, if you mean the lens, see above.

>> Sensor is one of the worst in APS class

Uh, it compares favorably to a D40 and 350D and is better than Olympus SLRs.

>> Viewfinder sucks

You can use the LCD.

>> Weighs and costs only slightly less than a proper DSLR with a decent lens

It's in a different category.
>> Anonymous
Too much dof, not enough selective focus. Fucking big. Makes 4/3rds look good.
>> Anonymous
>>165097It's not any better either.

Well I didn't say it was better. It's just normal for this kind of range.
>> Anonymous
>>165099

> Viewfinder sucks

>You can use the LCD.

Exactly why it sucks.

>Weighs and costs only slightly less than a proper DSLR with a decent lens

>It's in a different category.

Even worse. Less than an SLR, bulkier, without the benefits, and not quite the benefits of a compact either.
>> Anonymous
Are you guys hating just because it's a Sony?

If Nikon made this, you would be all over it.
>> Anonymous
>>165103
Nobody's all over their P80, dipshit. It's junk, just like their F717 and F828. Same shit all over again, and this is coming from someone who actually uses sony cameras too, so no bias there.
>> Anonymous
also nikonfags are gay, nikon is just a brand and it has its own share of suck (and good, of course)
>> Anonymous
>>165105Nobody's all over their P80

The P80 is a superzoom like the Canon and Panasonic.

This has none of the 18x zoom bullshit AND it has a respectable sensor.

Completely different class.
>> Anonymous
>>165108
So you said great or greatest, what the fuck are you comparing it to?
>> Anonymous
For that matter my cock is the best camera of its class.
>> Anonymous
>>165110

It's just an expression.
>> Anonymous
>>165106also nikonfags are gay, nikon is just a brand and it has its own share of suck (and good, of course)

Well, I mean. There's a lot more Nikon fanboys on here than any other brand. So I'm just saying if Nikon made it, the same fanboys would be all over it.
>> Anonymous
>>165099
>3 FPS, if you mean the lens, see above.
I mean "slow" like "unresponsive". After you're used to DSLR operation and focusing speed, R1 is a slowpoke.

>it compares favorably to a D40 and 350D and is better than Olympus SLRs.
The sensor is noisier than 350D, slightly better than CCD-based olympus (and I think olympus beat them when they went CMOS). Its only advantage is that it was ZOMG 10MP back when everyone else sported 6 or 8.

>You can use the LCD.
LCD sucks even more then the EVF. It's got like half resolution of the viewfinder and totally sucks in sunlight. Barely enough to frame pictures, definitely not enough to check where it focused.

>It's in a different category.
It's similar in weight, features, quality and cost to an entry-level DSLR, why can't they be compared?
>> Anonymous
>>165114
>Well, I mean. There's a lot more Nikon fanboys on here than any other brand. So I'm just saying if Nikon made it, the same fanboys would be all over it.

Possible, but /p/ does indeed hate the D40/D40x/D60, and that's a very fair equivalent of this junk with its crippled mount, and it's a Nikon.
>> Anonymous
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what's up guys

someone said my name?
>> Anonymous
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Sony needs to hurry the fuck up and release high end compact and bridge cameras that have the iISO hot shoe.


i'd love a compact that i could stick my 56AM on.

picture related
>> Anonymous
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>>165125

oh hai!

But in all seriousness, what exactly would that accomplish?

You will have spent more than any DSLR with a combo like this.

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>> Anonymous
>>165125
>Sony needs to hurry the fuck up and abandon the faggy proprietary iISO hot shoe.
>i'd love a Sony camera that i could stick my wireless triggers and off-camera flash units on.

fixed for FUCKING TRUTH
>> Anonymous
>>165128Camera Model Canon EOS 5D

Oh wow, that is quite possibly the worst picture I've seen taken with a 5D.
>> Anonymous
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moar!
>> Anonymous
>>165129


iISO = superior

sony/KM wireless= superior

a compact that i could shoot off 3x 56AMs with TTL = ORGASM
>> Anonymous
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>>165122
Seat's taken.

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>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165130
Ive seen much much worse.

>>165129
Fixed for LETS ABANDON EVERYTHING FOR FUN.
>> Anonymous
>>165141

Because Sony uses proprietary stuff and general vendor-lock-in tactics just for fun? Not to mention clearly underhanded, even illegal things coming from Sony corp. Has been on my personal hate list for memory-sticks and moved into boycott-list since rootkit fiasco.

Sony is just another Microsoft which SHOULD be boycotted until they actually change. Not saying it would be easy since they are so big and everywhere.

/Wants me a Pentax
//Sony makes their sensors
>> Anonymous
>>165166


we all have to give it up to sony.


Their audio/video equipment pretty much runs the world.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165166
Yes but sony didnt force KM to pick a different hotshoe did they?

Also i am the biggest sonywhore ever (aside from sony phones, samsung are just so much better) so lets not go there.
>> Anonymous
Hotshoe adapter, problem solved
>> Anonymous
samsung makes the worst phones ever, fucking shitty ass korean shit

nokia, se, motorola or die
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165317
ahaha motorola.

You actually think the worst chip manufacturer in the world does ANYTHING right?
>> Anonymous
Sage for another fucking thread started by our resident Sony viral marketing troll, Butterfly, posting under Anonymous.
>> Anonymous
>>165320

Motorola made some great chips in the past.
>> Anonymous
>>165325
still do actually. They're just mismanaged with a incompetent douche at the helm and their greatest asset (forgot his name, he designed the RAZR) passed away a couple of years ago.
>> Anonymous
>>165320

enjoy your korean piece of shit that will sue their mother company for money and then go bankrupt
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165322
You know i have better ways to troll than to do that...

>>165325
Not anymore, motorola has been going downhill for a long long time.

>>165330
Will do, with its smaller form factor and better layout and gui its miles ahead of the RAZR.
>> Anonymous
>>165358

lol because the RAZR is the greatest achievement motorola ever made am i rite
>> Anonymous
Speaking of which, I am in the market for a new phone. The iPhone has been slashed in price quite a lot in the UK. I was very tempted as I keep hearing it's the "best ever" and now it is cheap enough too. I don't know much about phones as I'm still using my old B&W LCD display Nokia, but it's starting to give up the ghost.

Avoid Motorola then? Go with Apple?
>> Anonymous
>>165370

you should ask on /g/ and see what happens
>> Anonymous
>>165389

Tempting, if only for the huge shitstorm that would happen. I thought it safer to ask Butterfly and the rest of you guys as you seem to know about it without the same brand hate.
>> Anonymous
it's a good buy if you have the money for it but it's not as expandable as other phones

but i think everyone can agree navigating online on it is fucking awesome

also, 3G version might drop soon but it's just like a Canon 5D mark II rumor
>> Anonymous
>>165370
>iPhone

Not yet, probably.
I'm excited about the SDK and the possibilities for 3rd party applications, but the reason they're slashing prices is that they're going to release a 3G version soon, which should work significantly better than the current version.

That said, everyone I know who has an iPhone loves it.

Saging my own comment because /p/ is not about iPhones.
>> Anonymous
>>165394
i can only imagine what would happen if apple made a camera.

We though Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Sony fags were bad.

Take a mac fag and put him behind another pretentious piece of electronic equipment and the world might implode.
>> Depressed Cheesecake
>>165509

did someone say macfag?
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165360
We were talking about mobiles, if you dont even belive in it then there is little left for your side.

>>165370
Samsung, LG and Nokia make the best phones, decide what you want to do with a phone before searching for models. Is it mp3 replacement, is it p&s replacement is it palm replacement?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
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>>165509
O hai
>> Anonymous
>>165526FUJINON

BRICKS

WERE
SHAT
>> Anonymous
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oh wow, i think even for apple, this is pushing it

no buttons at all on the back?
>> Anonymous
>> The camera was capable of storing eight photos at 640x480 resolution, 32 photos at 320x240 resolution, or a mixture of both sizes.

>> Other than downloading the photos to a computer, there was no way to preview them on the camera, nor was there any way to delete individual photos from the camera (though there was a recessed 'trash' button which would delete the entire contents of the camera).
>> dickmotherfuckingcock
>>165509

the only difference is that Apple actually makes some really decent hardware and software, though only a Macfag would say that right? People calling macfag have no real in depth usage on them maybe other than some shitty eMac computer lab at their school or some shit. I don't know why "pcfags" are so adamant to let everyone know their hate for macs, it rarely seems to be the other way around. If you think you can base character on if the person uses a pc or a mac then you are a faggot. Both are good, both are bad, both are filled with faggot users, the world is full of faggots, faggots run the world, most people still die being a faggot. Faggot threads like these are turning /p/ into /b/. Lets try to at least act like reasonable human beings here...
>> Anonymous
>>165534

uhhh, it's also 14 motherfucking years old...
>> Anonymous
>>165546the only difference is that Apple actually makes some really decent hardware and software, though only a Macfag would say that right?

do you acknowledge that there is no difference in using Photoshop or another cross platform program in similar specs PC and Mac

PC, or more precisely Windowsfags, get ticked off when Macfags say Photoshop is superior on OS X
>> Anonymous
>>165551

i think we both realize that

just wanted to point out for the lulz how far along we came
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165531
Dude, it's from the early-mid nineties. It was pretty much the first digital camera targeted at consumers. It wasn't really designed for Photographers.

Most cameras from around that era didn't have much in the way of controls.

>>165546
>I don't know why "pcfags" are so adamant to let everyone know their hate for macs, it rarely seems to be the other way around.
What the hell macfags have you been hanging around with? Most of the ones I know never miss an opportunity to whine about how bad Windows is. A lot of them incessantly spell Microsoft with a dollar sign.

(Disclaimer: I've been a macfag since I was four years old and my dad brought home a shiny new 128K Macintosh. I just find other Mac people insufferable whenever the topic of computers comes up)
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165546
I would like you to list Apple in house produced hardware that has no superior please.

Also can you list any Apple product that competes with the rest of the market for performance/price.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165558
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html

Also, Macs have always been pretty price competitive when you compare them with other premium brands. I.e., it's not going to beat out a beige box from Discount Carlo's Computers & Live Bait Shop, but they're rarely that much pricier than comparatively-outfitted Dells or HPs or IBMs other than those companies' lowest-end break-after-six-months boxes.

And anyway, the hardware isn't the reason people buy Macs.
>> Anonymous
>>165550

yeah i acknowledge that there are elitist faggot users that think stupid things like that. macs and pc really are not that different, there isn't much one can do and the other cant... games blah blah... get a life if that's your only argument. I just think people shouldn't give such a fuck about what other people use, computer, camera, car.. anything. Of course most people are narcissistic to some degree and think their way is best, and like to impose that on others. There are billions of people in the world, each very different, this shit makes me think of people who look too far into astrology, and live by horoscopes vwpovpwpwovgijoas'plvmnw
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165565
Apple have never been close to matching Dell or HP on price/performance. Lets pay over 4x the market rate for extra parts!

Also pcworld is about as bias as fox.

Yes no one buys Apple products for the hardware beacause it is all inferior. The vast majority of people buy apple for the image, the rest are designers (and only graphics, all 3D stuff is done on windows) and video editors (decreasing)
>> Anonymous
>>165370
nokia n95 4gb. epic. unstoppable. won't raep your wallet when the battery dies and has integrated gps and a decent 5 megapixul camera.
>> Anonymous
>>165572
>The vast majority of people buy apple for the image, the rest are designers (and only graphics, all 3D stuff is done on windows) and video editors (decreasing)

As a designer, I agree with this.
Macs run Adobe programs better than Windows machines do. Period.

Some Macs are reasonably priced for what they can do (iMacs, some laptops) but most are grossly overpriced.
>> Anonymous
>>165572

you are so stupid it hurts. and threads like this are started by you, don't even try to claim they're not... there have been many, even if this one in particular was not it still was at the same time.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165579
ahahaha did you even read what someone posted above. You just agreed to being a macfag.

Designers used to have no choice in running macs so the industry was based on it, the difference now is limited to a few programs on either side.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165580
>BAWWWW i haet tripfag but i dont know how to troll so im just going on the same line in every thread.

shits old fucker! get some fresh attitude and spice it up then give it too me in a 20/10 mad style!~
>> Anonymous
>>165584

"and you just agreed to being a troll"

good for you butterfly. everybody loves you here, I hope you know.

I know growing up in the country and having no real life experience must be hard sometimes.

Just wanted to let you know that I for one love you, your constant trolling and your inability to take a photograph
>> Anonymous
>>165576
Nah. Nokia 6300. Great functions, cheap, small and rock solid. And when I say rock solid, I mean fucking rock solid.

Most Nokia's are anyway, but this fucker is rather resistent.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165591
hey everyone knows im a troll, also i posted almost acceptable pictures yesterday and ac who "hates" me liked one so uh...

Also growing up in the country?
>> Anonymous
SERIOUS QUESTION:
Why hasn't Butterfly been B& yet?

Somebody got the B& hammer today because of that KILL ALL DA NIGGERZ post, so clearly people can be B& from /p/ for poor posting that doesn't actually break any of the rules of /p/.

I would argue that Butterfly's continuous trolling of this board is easily 10x as bad as a single KILL ALL DA NIGGERZ post, which by my estimation indicates that she should be banned 10x.

Is Butterfart a mod, or something?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165602
>that doesn't actually break any of the rules of /p/.
Posting racist screeds is against the rules. If you go to the top of the Rules page, there's a general set of rules that apply to all boards other than /b/.
>> Anonymous
>>165608
>Posting racist screeds is against the rules. If you go to the top of the Rules page, there's a general set of rules that apply to all boards other than /b/.

Trolling is also against the general rules.
Why hasn't Butterfly been banned?
>> Anonymous
>>165612


just because you don't agree with somebody doesn't mean they're trolling.
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
>>165615
No, butterfly's a troll most of the time. Just a shitty one. So it's really more humor than trolling.
>> Anonymous
I would say great just look at the photos i took they are ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiKBB_qYvg
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165612
I, for one, would support a campaign to get her banned. If nothing else, we can all report her for the posts in which she specifically states she's trolling.
>> Butterfly !xlgRMYva6s
>>165622
Do try <3~
/thread
>> Anonymous
>>165579Macs run Adobe programs better than Windows machines do. Period.

Wow, do you have anything to back that up?
>> Anonymous
>>165645

I'm not gonna fetch the info for you, but plenty of recent tests show that when pitting similar-powered machines against eachother Mac platforms edge out PC platforms.

They aren't miles and miles better, but they're better.

But like I said, you have to do a lot of research before buying a Mac to make sure you aren't buying one of the grossly overpriced ones. Personally I like the new line of iMacs a lot (great screens, support dual display, powerful processors) but I think that the towers are for morons only.

Unless you're doing large amounts of video editing there's really no reason to get anything more powerful than an iMac.
>> Anonymous
>>165622
>If nothing else, we can all report her for the posts in which she specifically states she's trolling.

I'm in.

I don't find her enraging like a lot of the newfags seem to, I just find the needless clutter of her pointless troll responses useless and tiring,
>> Anonymous
>>165667I'm not gonna fetch the info for you

Then that's not really proving anything.

Same spec machine running the same program with a same benchmark, you're saying it's faster on a Mac.

So if you're not going to bother with proving it, can you explain: how?

Is it some magical OS X fairy dust?
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165678
>Is it some magical OS X fairy dust?
Could be. Apple's 2d graphics routines are pretty win, and by all accounts, Vista is absurdly slow.

I have no numbers or real experience to back this up, just giving a theory.
>> Trolly McTrollfucker
I ALSO HERD U GOT BUTTHURT JANITORS
>> Anonymous
>>165697

I'd like to see an Intel Mac run the same benchmark in OS X and then in Windows XP through Boot Camp.

I would be shocked if it there were any difference.
>> ac !!VPzQAxYPAMA
>>165767
I'd like to see that too.

I'm sure someone on here has to have an Intel Mac. Anyone willing to do the experiment for us?
>> Jesus !1EQ.kCAg9c
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>>165774
I've got a 2ghz dual core Intel iMac, I would try if anyone would like to donate a copy of Windows to me. I've downloaded windows torrents, but none of them like to cooperate with boot camp...so I use VMware Fusion. Works almost as well.

On topic (kind of), I totally wanna put a Speedlite 580 on my P&S. Pic related.

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way to post a completely wrong pic
>> Anonymous
>>165767
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=4

/p/ - Technology
>> Anonymous
>>165697
>Vista is absurdly slow

I CAN SEE THE RAGE COMING ALL THE WAY FROM /g/.