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Anonymous
Tomorrow.
>> Anonymous
for the fucking win
>> Anonymous
surprisingly... that actually looks really good
>> sage sage
Sage for disingenuous, willfully ignorant, creationist, Richard Nixon's-cock-sucking republican fucktard.
>> Sam !!lbjf2f1wb7D
>>332945
>> Anonymous
>>332945

It's pro-creationism and pro christian persecution complex.

So no, it looks like it's going to be a fucking travesty.
>> Anonymous
>>333025

I forgot to include that I once thought Ben Stein was smart. Guess not.
>> Anonymous
He lost so much money he's gone bananas!
>> Anonymous
>>333025It's pro-creationism and pro christian persecution complex.

Wha? Well from the ads I had it pegged ass backwards. So much for him seeming intelligent.
>> Anonymous
he is actually Jewish. But I guess all creationists have to be Christians right?

I guess once we make cognitive robots that reason that they were created by humans we should tell them they are stupid, eh?
>> Anonymous
From what I've read and the clips I've seen from the website it doesn't actually answer anything one way or another. It just works the victim complex angle and literally compares people who believe in evolution to Nazis.
>> Anonymous
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>>333080
I am the same poster. if that is the case then I will probably hate the movie. It is false to say that all people who believe in evolution are the same as Nazis, but it is true to say that Eugenics is a study that the Nazis used that was formed from the theory of Natural Selection.

Although I would like to know what an evolutionist uses to measure what is good or bad, right or wrong.

Hi resolution image is to stay relevant. it is a statue of Hans Christian Anderson. (Name not related to conversation.)
>> sage sage
flintstone literalists. they believe that man was on earth with dinosaurs. i lul'd
>> Anonymous
Film Clip Here:
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/video.php

Expelled Exposed:
http://www.expelledexposed.com/
>> Anonymous
>>332927
I guess that's what happens when you take too much visine roflnosedolphin
>> Anonymous
Im suprised this movie is being realeased , evolutionist being such babies and all.
>> Anonymous
For the fucking lose. This guy's a fucking prick and he's got all the religious motherfuckers going crazy.
>> Anonymous
>>332953
its a paradoy?
>> Anonymous
>>333096
trailers arent working for me.

other sources?
>> Anonymous
I never got this movie, is it supposed to be a parody?
>> Anonymous
It's clearly satire. Either that or Ben Stein has sunk to an absolute low.
>> Anonymous
it's not a parody.. Ben Stein really is a intelligent design creationism christfag

There is an article online where Richard Dawkins was able to sneak into the premiere. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php

his "review"
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins
>> Anonymous
>>333094
The philosopher Nietzsche is actually the one responsible for the Nazi's eugenics since hes the one that invented the idea of the Übermensch (supermen aka master race).
>> Anonymous
itt, butthurt fags who can't stand people questioning their beliefs
>> Anonymous
>>333178
Someone who obviously doesn't know a damn thing about Nietzsche.
>> Anonymous
>>it's not a parody.. Ben Stein really is a intelligent design creationism christfag

He is Jewish retard.
>> Anonymous
Ben Stein did 9/11
>> Anonymous
This looks terribad.

A bunch of fucking faggot god lovers that have some skewed perspective of reality and how everything is related to some kind of faith, and so they think that believing in science is another kind of faith as compared to the bible. Fucking bunch of idiots have the balls to think they are the center of the universe.

fucking skum who try to brain wash their young into a recessive state of being.
>> Anonymous
>>333094Although I would like to know what an evolutionist uses to measure what is good or bad, right or wrong.

Well the Christian ones use the Bible, Muslims use the Koran etc. etc.

Evolution does not preclude religious belief, that's a lie propagated by creationists to play on peoples emotions.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
sage. for great justice.
>> Anonymous
Wow, Ben Stein is the last guy (alive) I would ever think to doubt evolution. Isn't he supposed to be smart?
>> Anonymous
>>333094
>Although I would like to know what an evolutionist uses to measure what is good or bad, right or wrong.

First of all, there's no such thing as an evolutionist. If there are evolutionists out there, I want to be a gravitivist.

Second, evolution has nothing to do with morality. Why would you expect evolution to provide humanity with a moral code? People don't expect thermodynamics to do this; they don't expect Newton's Laws of Motion to do this; they don't expect Kepler's Laws to do this. What possible relevance does evolution have to morality?

The eugenics and Nazism and genocide argument is bullshit, obviously. Hitler killed Jews because he was an asshole, not because of evolution. In any event, the consequences of evolution have nothing to do with its actual truth.
>> Anonymous
>>333407

He was a speech writer for Nixon, so... no.
>> Anonymous
>>333080
>I guess once we make cognitive robots that reason that they were created by humans we should tell them they are stupid, eh?

Buhwuh? That's the worst fucking argument I ever heard. In that scenario, the robots WERE created by humans, so no, we wouldn't tell them they were stupid. Humans were not created by God, so that's not really a great comparison.

You act like evolution is a set of principles that should be enforced rather than a set of truths about the world that just fucking are. Sorry you don't like it, but all the observational evidence says life evolved over billions of years to its present diversity.
>> Anonymous
So what's up with all the go-atheists in my /hr/? Is this some scilon scubterfuge or something? Really, get this shit back in /b/. Most of us are here for hi-res.
>> Anonymous
>>333413
sorry, I guess I don't keep up with the latest stupid buzzwords, what's a go-atheist?
>> Anonymous
It's probably someone who says "Go atheists!" But I agree, OP's probably a Scientologist symp trying to mess things up.
>> Anonymous
>>333080

Kind of a moot point anyway. Artificial sentience is totally unachievable. I've studied A.I. and it's simply impossible to match the massively parallel processing power of the human brain. Maybe that will change hundreds of years from now, but it's just no feasible.

That is, just in case anyone cares.
>> Anonymous
always like the god freaks trying to squeeze their lil "intelligent design" fairy tales into science...

no one said darwin *theory* was 100% correct or 100% explains EVERYTHING... much of what darwin originally thought has already been modified...
even so, currently it's the best --WORKING-- theory going... "working" meaning it will always be added to and/or altered as new research and [scientific] discoveries are made... that's how science works... whatever theory you have about something it is always open to updating via new scientific discoveries...

nothing new or break-through or "scientific" is gonna be found in the old biblical texts... ID has 0% base in reality - cannot be proved scientifically, in the least so it has no place in science class or scientific research - especially research that is paid for via public taxes...

ID can and should stay in CCD class and in the church where it belongs to give weak minded people that warm fuzzy feeling as if they have a purpose in life blah blah blah...
>> Anonymous
yeah, good ol Ben - I lost a LOT of respect for that guy when all this came out... used to think he was a pretty smart on-the-ball guy... now he just another god promoting wack-o

on the question of where/how life started - well we just don't know the answer -- yet...
so can't we just leave it at that - for now...
there's no need to start filling in the holes with unprovable fairy tales...
but ya know, it *IS* human nature to want to/need to fill in those open holes - ...can't leave anything unanswered... for a lot of people, the craziest, most far out unlikely fairy tale is better then just leaving something unanswered...
sad really...
>> Anonymous
Ben Stein is generally pretty brilliant. You can download his lecture at the Commonwealth Club from a few months ago, and he's actually not much of a dick at all. His problem is that someone convinced him that schools were teaching that Evolutionary theory contradicts the existence of God, and he got all butthurt.
>> Anonymous
I hoped it was a parody but once I realized he was serious... I wept for his voice.

That poor voice.
>> Anonymous
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OP here, anyone see it yet? The closest theater that is showing it is ~1 hour away and I don't want to drive that far just to see a movie.

Also: I thought it was supposed to be a mockumentary.
>> Anonymous
After seeing the movie (Central Ohio) I can say that this move was 80% propaganda from "butthurt" (man, that word still kinda offends me) judeo-christians aimed squarely at the likes of Richard Dawkins. However, the 20% that was relevant wasn't gone into much other than one sided emotional complaints from people who were fired, denied tenure for their feelings that Intelligent Design has a place in science. ID while very supported by ignorant bible thumping retards, says nothing about religion and *is* just another line of inquiry to answer one of humanities longest running questions. And someone should not have a stigma placed on them for exploring it.
tl;dr: Research on your own if you want to be informed, if you want Nazi/WWII references and typical American propaganda by all means spend your 8.50 for it.
>> Anonymous
>>333178

You need to go back to Philosophy 101.
>> Anonymous
>>333025
AGREED

philosophy IS NOT science. so fuck the entire concept of the film.
>> Anonymous
>>333172
is he jewchrist or hickchrist? I'd actually prefer jewchrist, cause at least he would have some intellegence to his logic, even if its flawed.
>> Anonymous
>>333178
yep. and ford is the specific sole reason why the nazi's were able to kill so many jews, becuase of his discovery and proliferation of the assembly line.

HENRY FORD KILLED JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY.

>>333407
you can be intelligent and crazy at the same time.
>> Anonymous
>>333912
as long as the anti ID opnions are kept professional and non aggressive, fine. however, there comes a serious fucking problem when IDer's start peddling their shit to the masses as science, and try to get the government to force a psuedo science to be called science.

as long as they are squarely denied that ability at every turn, sure, let them play and don't make fun of them. but the second that shit passes for science anywhere, fuck their feelings.
>> Anonymous
The best part was when the interviewees said "there's tons of evidence for Intelligent design" and not once in the movie do they show you any of this evidence... they just say "it's there! trust us!"
>> Anonymous
>>333949
>there comes a serious fucking problem when IDer's start peddling their shit to the masses as science, and try to get the government to force a psuedo science to be called science.

just like global warming, right? no, no universities allow that sort of propaganda to take place
>> Anonymous
>>333953
at least their starting to call it climate change. and leftist radio is starting to differentiate pollution from general warming trends.

when id is seperated from science, I won't have so much of a problem with it.
>> Anonymous
>>333953

also, yes they do. because the logic behind it is based on replicatable sensor data and analysis. if the analysis is wrong, it will eventually be shown as such through logical interpretation of gathererd PHYSICAL data.

what the fuck experiment are you gonna show me that will determine that god made everything? and fuck your word logic because thats not data gathering, thats logic.
>> Anonymous
/hr/ - News
>> Anonymous
I believe that God created Man.
I believe he did this through an elegant and sophisticated method we are trying to understand, called Evolution.
I believe Creationists are a bunch of fucktards who seem to think they know better than God, and are stupid enough to believe that, even if God personally sat next to the writers of holy texts, that the writers thousands of years ago would actually comprehend what we call Evolution today, and God wouldn't need metaphors.
The sheer height of arrogance necessary to LIMIT God to our understanding is staggering.

Evolution is elegant. If God can "Let there be light" through nuclear fusion of hydrogen, he sure as fuck can just create a self sustaining process to make US.

Failing to credit God with Evolution is like saying fusion of hydrogen to helium is wrong and the sun is actually God's will made manifest. Except they can't get people to believe the universe rotates around the Earth anymore.
Even the fucking Vatican supports Evolution. (Or did Darth Pope take that back?)
>> Anonymous
i cant wait to see this movie.
>> Anonymous
I dont think the movie is about 'god or not'

its about if you dont go along with the one-sided college system, youre blacklisted
>> Anonymous
>>334192
"its about if you dont go along with the one-sided college system, youre blacklisted"

yeah, but WHO CARES?! has 0.0% effect on 99.9% of people's daily lives...
>> Anonymous
>>333095
hysterical!
the people that actual believe that dinosaurs and humans lived in the same time period...
they call it the "Flintstonian Era" in scientific circles...

some peeps even believe noah had dinosaurs on his ark - go figure; if one can believe in a earth-wide flood in the first place then one will believe in anything...
>> Anonymous
>>333949
my dad was a science teacher at the jr high level during the period the science books started to "change" to include creation(ism) as an *equal* to evolution as an explanation as to the origin of species...
the teachers were directed to treat them equally and spend equal time on them...?!?!
my dad just rolled his eyes - was friggin stupid... go home and read yer bible or go to church if you want to learn creationism tripe - shouldn't be in the public school in a science class... especially being given equal billing to a real scientific theory...
not sure, but I think they've since changed the books back... at least outside the "bible belt"...
>> Anonymous
>>334282
on related note..
I was doing graphical edits on a school science book at work... grade 7 and 8 I think... this was a multi state book being re-editied for tennessee schools.
the chapters on evolution of species they left in all the info about how animals n such can adapt to their changing environments etc etc etc but the whole section specifically about human evolution was deleted for the TN version of this book... NICE!!!
seemed to be some sort of *compromise* as if the theory of evolution is fine for all animals EXCEPT humans...
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
>> Anonymous
>>333229
Evolution might not preclude religious belief, but it precludes Christianity and Judaism and Islam and any other religion that holds the belief that their sacred writings are the words of God.

Christianity and Judaism especially are precluded by the belief of evolution (that being macro-evolution, not micro-evolution) since evolution asserts that not only was death always present but that it's necessary for advancement.

All of this is small potatoes when you look at the other loony beliefs that go hand in hand with evolution, i.e. the cosmological belief that everything came about as a result of a massive cosmic collision. The big-bang and evolution assert (quietly even) that matter is eternal.
>> Anonymous
>>334288
That's quite interesting considering the scopes monkey trial was about that very same thing. The law prohibited teaching that humans evolved from a lower life-form but had no restrictions on teaching that other animals or life-forms evolved.

The scopes monkey trial is really quite interesting, and worth studying. Forget the play and the movie loosely based on the story though; they're complete mockeries of the truth and are about as reliable as the National Enquirer.
>> Anonymous
>>335397

micro and macro evolution ARE THE SAME THING. adding micro and macro in front of the word are just creationist attempts to make a concession so as to not sound as absolutely batshit insane as they would otherwise. the process is still the same. small random changes due to genetic mutations that spread through a gene pool because they either allow the individual to reproduce better or have no negative effect on reproduction. it all leads to the same thing. changes within species eventually become different species (over a much longer time).
>> Anonymous
60 posts 2 images sage
>> Anonymous
>>335408
Oh no a discussion!
I don't see you posting any high-res images to offset this incredible injustice...and to top it all off...you didn't even sage. :|
fucking retard.
>> Anonymous
If you think science explains everything then head over to /x/