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ITT: mind boggling space pictures.
>> Anonymous
>>363290

my mind didn't boggled
>> Anonymous
>>363292

If you understand what that picture means, your mind will boggle.
>> Anonymous
>>363294
understood, would
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moart of this space things
>> Anonymous
MOAR
>> Anonymous
>>363294

What it means?? I lol'd.

It's a picture of a bunch of galaxies - still doesn't boggled.
>> Anonymous
>>363311
It's the Hubble ultra deep field. Google it and boggle.
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>> Anonymous
>>363454
No shit, it still doesn't "mean" anything.
>> Anonymous
>>363466
Oh, it does mean something: Your entire existence is totally and utterly irrelevant compared to the entire universe.
Zaphod felt pretty good, after he got it through his heads...
>> Anonymous
>>363471
One's life is not measured by the size of the universe.
>> Anonymous
>>363474

Oh? Have you asked the universe about this?
>> Anonymous
>>363479

You wrongly assume the universe is sentient. As such, I am more important then the universe.
>> Anonymous
>>363466
It is labeled as the most important picture ever made, it is de deepest we have ever looked in the universe and also the farthest we have looked back in time.
>> Anonymous
>>363487
though its not really a "real" picture, computer enhanced beyond recognition
>> Anonymous
>>363471
Unless you are full of yourself and believe that out of all the things in this unimaginably vast universe, some big invisible man cares about you the most. Hubris is awesome isn't it?
>> Anonymous
>>363480
You wrongly assume sentience is that important. Hell, whose the one judging what is and isn't important anyway? Certainly not the universe.
>> Anonymous
I guess Atoms must be the most unimportant thing in the universe then.

-_-
>> Anonymous
>>363660

The universe is not capable of judgement as it is not alive, therefore, i am still more important than it.
>> Anonymous
>>363932
Your statement implies that you believe you are distinct and separate from the universe.
>> Anonymous
>>363657
You're really fucking stupid. The picture with the galaxies isn't edited, it's an actual photograph taken from the visible light part of the spectrum. They pointed the hubble at a tiny region of space, where there seemed to be no stars. They pointed it at this spot for several days (at least) straight, so it keeps collecting light, allowing us to see more. Each of those galaxies are probably about 50~100 million light years in diameter. And every single one of those dots is a galaxy, except for the point sources (+ looking things, those are stars, and theres only like 4 or 5).

There's about 100 billion stars in our average sized galaxy, and there could be at least 500 billion galaxies. Say 1 in 1000 of these stars can contain life, hell 1 in a million. Countless bizarre objects floating through the void, bending the very fabric of time and space, vast streams of gas lightyears wide creating beautiful patterns in space, unfathomably large galaxies with blue spiral arms glowing from star birth crashing into one another, huge jets of radiation blasting out from a neutron star spinning so rapidly that it fires off synchrotron radiation from it's poles, dead stars as small as the earth, with enough mass and gravity to crush an entire planet onto it's surface, leaving the entire planet a 1 inch wide splatter on the surface of the dead star.

And we don't even know what could be going on on other planets.

Thats still a fuck ton of possibilities for some amazing shit.

But you're more important than all of that.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
if you keep thinking about it, it freaks you the FUCK out
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wow, i love reading how insanely dumb people can be.

there was this dumbass guy i worked with who once overheard me talking about the wonders of space to a fellow co-worker of mine.. this dumb guy says , to my amazement : " i believe in solar systems "

some 4chaners remind me that guy.

GO READ A FUCKING BOOK
>> Anonymous
>>363480
the universe can exist without you. you cannot exist without the universe. also, creationfag
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im posting these beautiful space images because creationists are no-minds . there are no christians allowed on 4chan. read the rules
>> Anonymous
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drake equation.
look it up
>> Anonymous
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stop the spread of ignorance.
reality is so much cooler than the mysticism perpetuated by religion.
outter space is proof that there is no god.
a whole universe had to evolve before you were able to have a single free thought in your head so you might as well enjoy the tiny insignificant life you have because its all you got.

dont miss everything cool in life and die angry.
>> Anonymous
Bose–Einstein condensate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose-Einstein_condensate

not space but i think it works.
basically when cooled enough, some elements (*particles*) are frozen into their quantum *wave* form. thus one "particle" is literally in multiple places at once.
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long live the spitzer space telescope.
it can see way into the past. it can see when god created the universe around 10,000 years ago. it can even see past that. hey wait.. how does that make sense?
if light from these galaxies are , in some cases, millions of light years away , how could the universe only be ten thousand years old?

oh right, i forgot. there is no god, santa clause , or easter bunny.. therefore no jesus and no resurrection.

thank goodness for logic and common sense!
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>>364117
dammit i fucked up nm, was thinking of something else kinda. but, theyve done it i swear.
by the way that small dot to the left of saturn, just outside the main rings, earth.
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>>364137
God put them that far away to test our faith. look. proof. i have it.
>> Anonymous
>>363969
4 months. It observed the same spot for 4 months. And I still love that fucking picture.
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you know how i know jesus is real and he performed miracles and rose from the dead? because teh tomb is empty!!!!
eat that darwin!
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I'm no Christian, so don't destroy me, but the existence of the Universe does not prove God doesn't exist, it only proves the literal interpretation of the creation myth from the bible is unrealistic. There are both alternative interpretations and alternative arguments for it to still be true, and there are still ways, even without creationism, that god could still exist. There is just not enough proof either way, and to think we understand any of it, truth or fiction, is stupid.
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i am confused. using the scientific method, how can one logically conclude that there is no god just by looking at the beauty present in the universe? how the hell would you test that hypothesis?!
>> Anonymous
>>364275
>>364279
Of course the existence of the universe doesn't disprove the existence of a god or gods, nor does it disprove the existence of an invisible celestial pink unicorn that rides on rainbows and drinks dew in your dreams. There are tons of bullshit ideas that cannot be disproven, but that doesn't prove that they are real.
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>>364279
>how the hell would you test that hypothesis?!

You can't. Nor can you prove a negative. Atheists/agnostics should recall that they're not necessarily smart just because they don't engage in the irrationality of religion. Case in point: >outter space is proof that there is no god.

I'm not a religious person, for what it's worth, and I'm decidedly not a christfag. But here, enjoy some Sistine Chapel anyway.
>> Anonymous
It's about Faith. If we were able to prove God's existance, Faith would be pointless. Those who believe without proof earn eternal life. Those aethiests who jerk off to pictures from a telescope and insult people who think different then them will die and be gone for good, and nothing will be lost.
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>>364279
you are correct, we can't (dis)prove anything unless god should personally come out of hiding. Of course the bible writers have rules for that: You should believe in him, although you have no proof. That's the whole point, with life being a test and all.
Personally I assume, that science and christianity don't mix and there will always be room for the latter, no matter how advanced we get.

tl;dr discussion is pointless
>> Anonymous
>>364298
I hate to break it to you, but we all will die and be gone for good. The only difference is you people with 'faith' will have wasted your one and only life on lies.
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>>364304
the point is you cannot for sure say they're lies without violating the rules governing science. atheist get up on their high horse and act as though science automatically disproves a higher power and they thump that just like a hardcore christian thumps the bible. your belief that god doesn't exist is every bit as valid as a belief that god does exist because it cannot be tested and you are placing faith in your belief. to thump your side as the one and only truth is horrible science. atheists and hardcore christians are two sides to the same psychological coin.
>> Anonymous
>>364313
check out my previous post
>>364298

It's probably impossible to disprove the existence of a god, however we know enough about the universe to know that what the bible has to say about the universe is utter rubbish. The bible claims that it is the inerrant word of god, which would mean either that it's total bullshit or the god that spoke those inerrant words is a liar. There is no faith involved in me knowing this. Try harder next time.
>> deciBels
What was the hypothetical equation for the distance at which particles are destined to repeat their configuration?
>> Anonymous
>>364328
oops, this is my previous post:
>>364285
not that other one (obviously)
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>>364304
Faith can be a source of strength to help people through trying times, to cope with meaningless. Faith can be an inspiration and is the foundation of the most part of Western culture. There are lots of good and beautiful things along with the bad things that religion gives societies. It is like any human endeavor partly corrupt, but partly sublime. The most disagreeable thing about agnosticism (there can be no real atheism without violation of their own tenets because the scientific method excludes atheism) is that it continually points out the negative and fails to recognize the useful contributions of the various religions. These contributions formed the basis for the scientific method, mathematics, for pretty much any discipline you can think of.

Increasingly, and ironically, atheists groups have been adopting the trappings of the religions they despise, search for an emblem as vivid as the Magen David, Cross, or crescent... Proselytizing... Forming a (anti-) religious community, a body of atheists that mirrors the church as the body of Christans. How will they escape the evils they see in hierarchical religious organizations if they form a hierarchical organization that mirrors it? Atheists are kind of crazy, and not at all scientific because they have closed their minds on the wholly-other, the numinous, and they have decided with absolute certainty that there is no First Cause, or Higher Power, or a comprehensive intelligence emergent from its own complexity.

They whittle their totem poles away to nothingness and prop them up for all to admire.
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>>364333
Sure, faith can provide comfort, but that does not address its truth value.
As Edmund Way Teale wrote, “It is morally as bad not to care whether a thing is true or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to care how you got your money as long as you have got it.”
As for the foundations of science and mathematics, you will find that Democritus and Epicurus got us started in that area thousands of years ago, put their philosophies of empiricism and reason were lost in a deluge of dogma and faith for the duration of the dark ages. Those two were among the first athiests, by the way.
I must admit that I am unaware of the atheists of whom you speak, all the atheists I know are as apt to be herded into a hierarchical organization as are cats. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from.
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>>364332
yup, and i agree. and it essentially comes down to faith on both sides with agnostics in the middle taking the more rational scientific approach. the concept of god, however, seems more rational than the rainbow powered gossamer pink parasitic unicorn theory of existence. especially when considering higher dimensions and the probability of life. there's way too much we don't know to ultimately draw any definitive conclusions at this time though, and to say otherwise is a leap of faith. shit there could be a pink unicorn, see pic
>> Anonymous
>>364333
Can I have a list of some of the good things that came out of religion?
In return, here's a list of some of the more violent wars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Seems to me that you're saying "Nazi's were cool because they made Volkswagen Beetle."
>> Anonymous
>>364333
boobs
>> Anonymous
>>363290
I have a poster of that on my wall.
>> Anonymous
>>363290
What's amazing about this picture isn't even what's seen in it: the dark matter. Only about 7% of the mass in the universe is made of matter we can see (planets, stars, galaxies, etc).
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>>364373
not the poster you are asking but of the top of my head:
foundation of ethics and philosophy.
forms communities, promotes charity.
beginning of explanation of phenomena (very primitive science, as science exists to understand phenomena through logic and experimentation instead of just lol, god did it).

science has grown by leaps and bounds from human suffering, and likewise expands human suffering shitloads when ethics are not present. medical science advances nigh exponentially everytime a state acts cruelly against a populace. the nazi's and old islamic prison experiments are two examples of this. that's only one discipline both science and religion have good aspects and bad aspects.
>> Anonymous
"I hate to break it to you, but we all will die and be gone for good. The only difference is you people with 'faith' will have wasted your one and only life on lies."

said perfectly
>> Anonymous
>>364304
I don't think there are a lot of Christians sitting around doing nothing because they know there is more to come after death. Athiest like you have this common condescending attitude towards people who are proud of their religous beliefs, and while I am not a strong church goer, I would rather hang around someone who has some positive beliefs instead of a condescending asshole.
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>>364117
>Bose–Einstein condensate
I just now watched a documentary about that. Fucking interesting. They shone a laser beam through it and the light slowed down to the speed of a bicycle. It slows down light!

It's maybe not that mind boggling, but the other night I looked out and saw the moon, and suddenly had an innate understanding that the moon isn't like, an image stuck on the surface of the sky, it's a fucking giant ball, all the way out there, orbiting us! Like it's an actual three dimensional sphere. I know that sounds obvious, but it kinda struck me like the same way on windy days, when you can see clouds really moving, or when you're driving really fast and are able to actually determine their size and distance from the ground.
>> Anonymous
I didn't mean to come across as condescending, perhaps you're being a little sensitive there. We atheists (I'm speaking generally here) have positive beliefs, but they're naturalist ones, like free speech and equal rights, environmental conservation, etc.
>> Anonymous
javascript:quote('364392')
Finally someone that is not stupid.
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also, we have the technology to take this photo. Fuuuuuuuuck.

The HiRise has also taken photos of the Mars rovers. You can see their tracks and everything! Fuuuuuuuuck.
>> Anonymous
>>364393
Yeah, it's pretty crazy to see it at night and know it's being lit up by the same sunlight lighting the other side of the earth.
>> Anonymous
>>364401
Wernher von Braun, the guy who designed the rocket that fly us to the moon and pretty much the reason the U.S. had a space program, outlined an entire plan to land on mars in 1950 using technology of the day.
>> Anonymous
>>364379
>foundation of ethics and philosophy.
Socrates was Christian?
>forms communities, promotes charity.
..amongst those who are Christian, yes. The only time they promote community amongst non-Christians is when they are trying to MAKE them Christian. Provide some solid examples to the contrary and I might concede to this one.
>beginning of explanation of phenomena
What? Phenomena is too broad a term - you might as well say "They started the beginning of explaining stuff." I honestly don't think you could have said anything less specific.

>science has grown by leaps and bounds from human suffering,
And you further your argument with "But science does this and that, too!"
No, fuck that. I'll agree that many scientific discoveries have led to mass suffering and death - but that wasn't the question. The question is, what GOOD has RELIGION brought us?
>> deciBels
Im guessing no one knows about this then>>364330
...that or a debate that neither side will EVER concede in is more worth your time XD
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>> Anonymous
I dislike religious people, that's a fact. But I FUCKING HATE atheists. What a bunch of pompous self-righteous assholes. Constantly trying to desperately shove their stances and views down everyone's throats. For fuck sake, this is so freaking tiring.
>> Anonymous
Logically, it is better to believe in a higher power. Think about it, if you believe and you're wrong, than the same thing happens to you as if you didn't believe, you die into nothing. However, if you don't believe and you are wrong, you go to hell, a fate far worse than any death. However, that also brings up a point, religions use scare tactics to bully the weak minded and fearful into belief by threatening them with eternal torment and damnation. I personally would rather not fall for such gimmicks. I believe there is more to the universe than science and the the things we can observe, what I question is whether it is intelligent, or if it is simply the natural course of space and time. Terrible things have occurred in both the names of science and religion, but both have their good sides. Science gives people the truth and the knowledge we all seek, and religion gives people hope that there is more to life than what we have now. Agnosticism FTW!!
>> Anonymous
>>364405
oh i see, to you religion is synonymous with christianity. gotcha. i figured when you said religion in your initial question, you meant religion, not christianity only. no wonder none of my points seemed to make sense to you. also, phenomena is not too broad a term at all. religion was formed initially as a way to make sense of the world, not one small part of it, all of it. thus, phenomena, as in all of reality. science serves the same purpose, just much better than things like the prometheus myth, or this storm hit a town because god was angry.
>> Anonymous
>>364428
As it turns out, fundamentalists do not need beliefs in higher powers to be dickheads.
>> Anonymous
>>364429
Pascal's wager doesn't exactly work out as flawlessly as Pascal might have hoped when there are different religions in the equation.
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>>364347
There's actually a lot, IF you actually look for them using the right keywords. One example about both symbolism and proselytizing is here:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~ssyreeni/atheist/no-ghost-c-06.en.html

Ther are many, many others. And if you look you will find the organizations. You will not see them if you tend to filter out things that aren't conducive to an absolute atheistic worldview.

It turns out that Epicurus did believe in the Greek Gods according to the Wikipedia article, though he did refine thought on how they should be regarded... Since such an obvious source disagrees with you, I'll assume your other example is according to your agenda. Also, the Classic modes dovetail with Christianity after early church fathers Hellenized the Christian myth, namely Thomas Aquinas and Augustine.

But here's the kicker. I'm not Christian. I'm rather agnostic because I don't have enough information to make an absolute decision. Of course, you probably thought I was Christian because I referred to it as an example. Oftentimes, it seems to me that staunch atheists are in fact more truly anti-Christian than atheistic, particularly despising the evangelistic fundamentalists that are the traditional "religious right" in the US. Yeah, well, I don't care much for a lot of that monkey trial shit, either, but to gloss over the entire value of the Christian mysteries on account of some folks that don't know anything about their religion outside of the New Testament is folly.
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>> Anonymous
>>364437
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your associate's degree.
>> Anonymous
So when we see space, specifically the color black that surrounds stars or nebulae or other cosmic objects in any picture taken of space, are we looking at Dark Matter? Why is space black?
>> Anonymous
>>364484
I would suggest letting this thread die because this is embarrassing for /hr/ standards if there is such a thing as a standard on 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>364471
this would be considerably more insulting if:
a.) you knew anything about me or my level of education.
b.) you were able to comprehend english or knew the definitions of the words you use.
but def. keep up the good work! that's a solid argument you formed thar.
>> Anonymous
>>364437
You're right, I was focusing on Christianity too much.
However, ALL my points still stand.
Socrates, foundation of Western philosophy, rejected the religion of his time and region.
There are extremely few religions that welcome others without trying to change their beliefs (to be honest, I can't think of any) so the community aspect of your argument is more about segregation than supporting others.
And as for "explaining phenomena" being too brad a term, you said it yourself -
>phenomena, as in all of reality
They tried to explain that, true. They also failed. This does not enhance or evolve the human race in any way. You kind of shot yourself in the foot with that point.

Also, I'm not>>364471
Embarrassing!
>> Anonymous
>>364484
Space is black for the same reason Metallica album covers are black.
>> Random Aussie Gun Nut
>>364560
Because God is into metal?
>> Anonymous
>>364591
God IS metal.
>> Anonymous
>>364378
Seriously how the hell do people come up with these sort of figures. The universe is made up with (insert desired figure here)% of blah blah blah (in this case dark matter).
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>>364465

It's odd how you can think that a man who wrote this could believe in the gods:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

He was an atheist, read some real literature about him.
You may wish to use reliable sources of information for your research in the future, it will keep you from looking like a total idiot.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epicurus/

About the symbolism and proselytizing on that site, we secular humanists, free thinkers, brights, what ever you want to call us, have symbols to identify ourselves. That's pretty different from symbolism of religions, representing their imaginary gods' imaginary will.
For prosthelization, yeah, some of us can't stand to see those around us push their fairy tales onto us non-stop, so some of us push reason and science onto others.
A symbol to identify us and spreading science and reason... it's quite a leap from that to a 'religious community, a body of atheists that mirrors the church as the body of Christan's.'
Where is the hierarchy? Where is the dogma? Where is the unquestioning faith?

You were talking Christianity, so I responded to that. Simple as that. I am an anti-theist, i dislike all religions, it's folly to jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence.
Like i said to some poster earlier in the thread, try harder.

also, more space pics.
>> Anonymous
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>>364363
>>364363
>>364363
this picuture right there, reminds me of The Last Question by Isaac Asimov. that picture, and this story are serious mindfucks. http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html and before the stupid argument above continues, i'm athiest, i don't like religion, but as someone said earlier, the hardcore athiests who cling to their theory like a religion are just as bad as the hardcore jesus freaks.
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>>364599
not who you're responding to but:
atheists do not push science though. they push their conclusion made with insufficient evidence to properly draw any scientific conclusion. just like a christfag. same psychological mindset.

>>364549
when i say philosophy, i do not mean for it to focus specifically on western philosophy. i mean philosophy as the word is defined, i should have specified, apologies. i should also clarify that i do mean specifically the foundation, as in base upon which these things were built, not specifically the things produced. regardless of how different the structure built on top of them is. i agree with you that most religions tend to be inwardly focused in their construction, but not all, unitarian universalist springs to mind but i am not an expert. regardless of that, you asked you for some good things, and despite it being insular, it is still a benefit of religion. you cannot completely dismiss all good because there is a bad aspect as well. science also has it's bad side. as to the final point, it didn't do a good job, but it started in motion the thought process of explaining reality, which was my initial point. oh also, charitable religious orgs(earlier query): salvation army maybe?
>> Anonymous
LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF GOD, WOULD DISPROVE HIS EXISTENCE. WITHOUT FAITH THERE IS NO GOD.
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enough talk about god and shit, if you want to talk, go to /sci/ (The text board) leave it out of here unless you post fucking pics
>> Anonymous
>>364599
What Epicurus considered was not atheism or even agnosticism, but that a god or gods did not not intervene in mundane affairs. So he argued against a personal god that dispenses services like blessings and intervention. Epicureans were atomicists, who believed that the gods were made of the same stuff as the rest of the universe, their concept of atomicity being on par with the later concept of aetheric medium as much as it is related to the modern atomic one. They thought of the gods as an ideal to which they might aspire, being perfectly free from fear and pain, perfectly happy. But they did attribute creation to creative gods. The Epicurean argument is known as "the problem of evil," and is the subject of C. S. Lewis' early apology "The Problem of Pain." Oddly, I find more parallels between Epicureans and the Jedi more than with atheists or agnostics. (I always wondered where the midichlorians came from.)

By its definition atheism requires a leap of blind faith, closing the mind to the existence of any supernal intelligence without evidence to the contrary. It is a terrible task to prove a negative, but moving from agnosticism (admittedly "without knowledge") to atheism (which presupposes contrary knowledge) does mean you must discard the rigors of science and accept the non-existence of a god or gods on faith.
Take, for example, SETI. The scientists and laymen undertaking the search for ETI are like agnostics. If there were someone who pointed out that we have absolutely zero proof of alien intelligence and who absolutely excluded the possibility of such ever being located would be like an atheist.
>> Anonymous
>>365173

My mind is open to anything I might see in nature that doesn't contradict known laws thereof.

By definition the supernatural contradicts known laws of nature, and since we exist in nature there is no way we can know of anything outside it. Indeed, there is no "outside it" hence no supernatural.

Except in your twisted imagination.
>> Anonymous
Wrong.

"Supernatural" means something can't be explained by the laws of nature. They don't necessarily contradict.
>> Anonymous
Salvador Dali believed that the structure and form of the universe, DNA, and matter Actually PROVED the existence of God.

(theres one to wind up the atheists)
>> Anonymous
Dali was demonstrably mad.
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>>365176
We haven't found the limits to nature yet. You can arbitrarily cordon off part of our understanding, but there is a great deal we don't understand yet... So you have closed your mind on the most important part of our understanding--the stuff we have yet to learn. That fuzzy border between the nature we know and the nature we do not know is continually growing, shifting, occassionally receding. It is not always sharply defined, and in some sense it is a spectrum based on our confidence in what we know at the moment. But tomorrow, we may move more of the supernatural into the natural through our continual application of the scientific method.
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Hey guys, wut's going on in this thred?
>> Anonymous
>>365208
Stay out of this, Salvador. The last thing this thread needs is a surrealist's opinion.
>> Anonymous
>>364595

Dark matter's existence is inferred by the fact that the light coming from galaxies is being warped by something unseen with a huge amount of mass.
>> Anonymous
>>364328
You argue against fundamental literal exegesis of the Bible. That's just one mode of interpretation. The Bible is inspired by God through afflatus, yet written, transcribed, and interpreted by fallible men. Do all religious people literally believe that Solomon's dark lover's breast were just like leaping roe deer? Nope. Pretty much no one does. It's a matter of critical interpretation. There are as many different interpretations of the text as there are readers. Atheists particularly choose to attack fundamentalist views, and typically ascribe these to all religious folks. The preferred mode of attack is reduction to absurdity. It is an easy way out, but not an honest one.
>> Anonymous
>>365217
The hornets are turning into butter.
>> Anonymous
>>365233
That might be Azathoth.
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>>364152
>>364150
>>364121
>>364117
sry to say i posted in this. though none were religious, save one- but only to be slightly humorous. GOD EXISTS PROVE ME WRONG. oops, well...save two now i 'spose.
>> Anonymous
>>364363
Oh shit. The universe is a giant mouse brain. Who moved my cheese? GOD.
>> Anonymous
The bible is a good story but the ending sucks.
>> Anonymous
>>365163
agreed. Why hasn't this thread died yet? This thread was once about appreciation of what God supposedly created for us to enjoy. Why do we debate unless there is some ulterior motive behind it. Space needs just as much attention as faith for some people. Not all, just some. So why ruin it for them?
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>364405
>show me an example of christians being nice to people other than when trying to MAKE them christian
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you"
Don't blame Christianity for people ignoring it.

>what good has religion brought us?
I have some great friends who used to be suicidal scum-of-the-earth, and are now happy contributors to society.
>> Anonymous
Hopefully the inhabitants of those distant galaxies aren't full of religious extremist faggots like our homeworld is.

I'm probably wrong, though.
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>> Anonymous
Two points where anon was plain wrong.

>>364549
What religions don't proselytize (that means "forcibly convert" for you christians who don't believe in science and general education)? Judaism traditionally doesn't convert. Hinduism doesn't give a shit if you don't believe what you believe. A lots of forms of Buddhism don't seek converts.

>>364405
What good has come from Christianity? Go to africa. go to the slums. The catholic church does amazing things for the people there. pure good works done in the christian god's name. i visited a orphanage ran by catholic nuns for kids WITH HIV. if they don't have it, can't be in it. over 200 kids, most around the ages of 8-12.

that's good.
>> Anonymous
>>365696
yup, horrible things have been done in the name of christianity and other religions. but horrible things have been done in the name of science too. there is good and bad in everything in reality, positive and negative, electrons and protons. you would be very hard pressed to find anything that is pure good or pure bad. you just choose to see nothing but the bad in religion because of your personal bias.
>> Anonymous
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wow christians are really tools. this is in response to the christians who just cant seem to understand the world around them.
just because someone believes something that doesn't make it true. .
that is EXACTLY the kind of ignorance that Christianity perpetuates .
most atheists ( and im not speaking for everybody) are atheists because not only do they not believe in a higher power but also they feel that reason, common sense and the scientific method are the norm.
As an atheist i enjoy learning. my whole life is dedicated to learning as much as i possibly can..
while on this quest for knowledge i discovered , at an early age, that most things in the bible were impossible.
using my 10 year old common sense i figured out that noahs ark is bullshit. that was my first epiphany .
so now at 27 years old i am way beyond accepting nonsense as my reality.


christians , for some reason, think that everything they will ever need to know is in the bible.
how do christians get away with this? they do not believe in evolution because they do not understand it. why are we not living like they did 2 thousand years ago?
atheists are not smarter necessarily , its just that we are not lazy thinkers. instead of accepting that the world was created in 7 days, we asked more questions.
i believe that all people have the capacity to be better people. smarter people who do not need religion as a crutch to get them past ideas that they cannot wrap their heads around.
science explains 99.9 percent of the world around you.
that tiny extra percentile can be god if you want.
but dont say that god does all that other bullshit..
dont be stupid.
i made this poster for /hr/ inspired by the "ATHEISM . reality is awesome" poster
>> Anonymous
>>365764
i agree. most shit in the bible is total bs. however you violate the scientific method by being an atheist. by the rules governing the scientific method, much like in the final question story, there is insufficient data to determine if there is a higher power. as you said, don't be stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>364137
theres no santa what are you tallking about of course there is
>> Anonymous
hey .. if god actually proved himself to be real, i would believe.
i am waiting for that moment. but i will never have faith that god is real. that is being stupid.
i am totally open minded. if i wasnt then i couldnt learn new things every day like i do.
ill believe in ghosts when there is proof of them too. maybe science will find a way to tap into that frequency.
i believe anything is possible. but until its proven then it didnt happen.
>> sage
>>365764
Dude....not all christians believe this. In fact, more of them are taking a scientific stand on creation.
>> 7eg
God is omnipotent.
God created man in his image.

Therefore, man is made to strive for omnipotence. Anything less is a sin against God, and against the sentience and free will he has granted us.

Creationism is against God.

Science is God's work.
>> Anonymous
>>365798
this is one of the stupidest 'proofs' or chains of logic i have ever read. Man is built to strive toward omnipotence? Science is about achieve omniscience (coincidental spelling? nooooo) IF it's really striving for anything omni.

GTFO
>> Anonymous
Following on from that chain:

If Science is Gods work.
Given Science is my job.
Hence, Science is my work.
Ergo, I am God?

Well, his chain didn't make much sense. I don't see mine should.
>> Anonymous
yeah i know all about intelligent design.
there isnt once shred of scientific data associated with intelligent design.
the creationists are just trying to disguise their beliefs with this pseudo science
>> Anonymous
>>365865
beautiful. . . . .

>>365871
i know, but isn't is awesome when intelligent design people try to use science to disprove science? love it. "irreducible complexity. . . . missing links in the evolution. . . . improbability of life. . . . ." good god. . .
>> Anonymous
ITT: endless fucking circles of illogic

tl;dr: show me your magic ghost or GTFO my universe
>> Anonymous
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i believe in god because a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy who told a guy told me god was real and alive and that jesus died for my sins and that all made a lot of sense to me.


and also because ive seen a picture of him so i know he must be real.

story + picture = reality.

case closed
>> Anonymous
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What a silly thread. What are people even arguing and who is arguing it (atheist/jew etc.)?

God cannot be proven or disproven however when one posits god there must be evidence to support it. The logical conclusion of this is to live one's life as if there were no god.

Fun fact: Atheists do not believe in god, agnostics believe that it is impossible to prove/disprove god's existance. It is possible (probable actually) to be an athiest agnostic or a religious agnostic.
>> Anonymous
because i believe in science and the scientific method, and am not arrogant enough to assume that we know everything, i cannot say one way or the other if there is a higher power. to say otherwise, on either end of that spectrum, is to take a big steaming shit on the scientific method, and thus all science.
>> lol Anonymous
I find it funny that you are here bashing christians, for what? Does it make your e-peen bigger? Do you feel like more of a man?
I am a christian, and I have yet to bash any other religion, because people should believe in what feels right to them and not be judged on it (so long as they don't try to force their beliefs on anyone else). If you look at it in a different light, with me following christianity, what are the effects on my life?
For one, I have a guide on how to live a good life (cause its sooo bad to not commit adultry, steal, murder, or to honor your father and mother isn't it?) and if nothing else, if I die, and it was all a big lie, and nothing is there, what have I lost? nothing that is of any value to me. What have I gained? The ability to forgive people for things they have done against me, and hope... something you seem to be lacking.

tl;dr: Go bash someone that is actually a threat to you, like Scientologists
>> Anonymous
>>365971

Actually that's wrong, if someone comes up to you with a complete screaming howler of a theory without a shred of evidence or proof, it's completely acceptable and consistent with the scientific method to laugh in their fucking face and hold them in contempt - especially when they accuse you of having their same intellectual weaknesses.
>> Anonymous
trolls? in my /hr/?
>> Anonymous
>>365993
so you advocate skipping the whole perform experiment and gather data step and go right to the "interpret data" step without having properly gathered data! yup, sounds like a good process to me, who needs experiments and observation in science right?!! good thing that's not how the scientific method works.
>> Resident 4chan Astronomy Expert !PaaSYgVvtw
>>364484
The night sky ("space") isn't black because we're looking at dark matter,

This is a simple question, but the answer is actually pretty complicated when you think about it. There are stars in every tiny arcsecond of space when we look up at the night sky, and because of the cosmic microwave background, we should even see a faint red glow from the first time light broke through a dense sea of quarks n' shit. The answer to the cosmic microwave background being invisible is that as time goes on, the fabric of space-time stretches, making things get father apart, so as everything moves away from everything else, the light gets stretched (because of the doppler effect), and redshifted, so the light, that about 14 billion years ago was in the visible and infrared part the spectrum, is now in the microwave part, therefore invisible to our eyes.

Now the same concept applies to all the other stars and galaxies. The light from those stars haven't reached earth, and the light that has has been shifted away from the visible part of the spectrum that our eyes can see. Also, the interstellar medium blocks, absorbs and scatters lots of light. Bigass masses of dust and stuff make the center of our own milky way look black, even though it's the densest concentration of stars in our galaxy.

Dark matter... we can't see it, and it's only prevalent on galactic scales, so we can't really study it yet.

And as for the athiest vs christian bullshit, you're both fucking retarded. There could be a god that created this universe (or multiverse), it doesn't mean it's the christian god, and there might not be.

Agnostic = win
Athiest = Faggots and assholes
Christians = Misguided but at least nice
>> Anonymous
i dont need the bible to teach me that hurting people is wrong.
thats common sense.

agnostics are morons too a[pparently
if you cant make a logical choice about whither or not you think there is a god then u are just sitting on the fence.
in my eyes i think its clear that there is no god.
there are more intelligent beings , im sure
but not a divine being above all other beings that created everything.. that is just foolery .
the random nature of chaos and uncertainty is way more elegant .. if you do cannot appreciate or understand the true nature of time and space then leave it to people who can.
space and time alone are the gods.
worship something that makes sense.
>> Anonymous
>>366084
>Agnostic = win
>Athiest = Faggots and assholes
>Christians = Misguided but at least nice

Truth. though Christians aren't always nice.
>> Anonymous
>>366092
>agnostics are morons too apparently
>there are more intelligent beings, im sure
>but not a divine being above all other beings
>that created everything. that is just foolery

agnostic here. plz provide proof that a divine being does/doesn't exist in order to back up your claim of 'foolery'
>> Anonymous
k time to let this thread die.

philosophical bickering shouldn't be in /hr/.

to aid in this thread's death, i'm starting a /hr/ space thread that will actually have /hr/ space pictures in it.
>> Resident 4chan Astronomy Expert !PaaSYgVvtw
>>366103
I'll be waiting. I enjoy answering questions about the universe.
>> Anonymous
I usually stay out of religious discussions, but I would like to point a few things out:

1) The Christians are right. The teachings of Christ and the bible are not only some parts history, but metaphors that strengthen not only faith in something greater, but to also teach people how to live better lives by showing how "good" and "bad" not only depends on the person, but their willingness to change. Christ took this realization and made it even clearer with stories and actions.

2) The Agnostics are right. They say there is no such thing as higher ideology. Some people cannot have faith in things like a god or ideology, but it doesn't make them bad or good - it just makes them humans with the right to choose.

3) Athiests are right. They have no God. They have no proof to God. Some people need proof to believe it, and without any TRUE PROOF like god coming to everyone and saying "LOL here I is!", then it's not going to work for them.

So in conclusion, Everyone is right, because it is THIR OPINION. It's like Maddox being right with everything he says, because it is his opinion. You can disagree with his opinion, but it doesn't make yours any more wrong than his - it just means you perceive things differently.

So can we go back to pretty pictures of space now?
>> Anonymous
>>366122
Um... Not quite. The stories in the Bible are about as historical as the average movie that is "based on a true story." None of the stories have been shown to have actually occurred, but instead are based on real incidents. For example, there are about half a dozen different acccounts of the flood in the Noah's Ark story. Several different cultures have a story of a great flood that occurred around the same time, and indeed studying the earth in the Middle East has shown that there was a flood. However, as far as I know, the Bible is the only thing that says some crazy guy named Noah, built a huge ark and put two of every creature in the world on it. There are some other accounts that say the wacko did exist, but that he didn't build an ark or put lots of animals on it.
>> Anonymous
>>366122

You know....there is such a thing as objective reality.

lol wut?