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Anonymous
The sword topic went down the drain...
so where were we? I think I was saying that while Amakuni indeed specialized in curved swords with second cutting edge, he was also the first smith to make curved single edged sword. Due to its battle performance it quickly gained popularity, and that was also the point where Japanese swords started to be recognized as worthy of attention [since previously the swords made by Japanese smith were competing with those made in other neighborhood countries and weren't popular at all]
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
You fail for naming your sword Arcueid.
>> Anonymous
>>143461
come here and tell in to my face - i'm lacking materials for temashigiri and bamboo is fucking way to expensive. I'm sure aruku would love to taste your blood for that remark as well.

if you don't have anything good to say about swords stfu nobody cares what you think about my sword's name.
>> Anonymous
>>143471

Anon cares what he thinks.
Anyone who actually names a sword is a flaming faggot, and deserves to be impaled on their own sword.
>> Anonymous
Faggoty thread ---> Saged.
>> Anonymous
who the fuck carved the moonspeak into that blade and ruined it
>> Anonymous
>>143471
haha...
internet tough-guy, with a sword no less...
pinnacle of fail
>> Anonymous
>>143499
i've been traning kashima shin ryu for ~2.5 years now, before that i used to train iaido for some 1.5-2 years. you might say whatever you want, but i find my sword skills quite adequate.

>>143492
the smith who made the sword also made the inscription at the time of forging – it was custom made sword, with dimensions to suite me. I do like this sword a lot, it handles very smoothly. It was totally worth 1.5 years of saving up for it.

putting that aside, i wanted to continue the sword debate, but it seems to be impossible with all the fuckheads who failed to find /b/
>> Anonymous
>>143514
Similarly, you failed to find /sword/
>> Anonymous
>>143514
jesus fucking christ you are pathetic
>> Anonymous
>>143423
I saw this sword in a catalog for 35$ without the self ingraved shit on it
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
Hello again.

Actually, I don't really remember what we were discussing about again. By the way, was that garish chiseling really necessary? A horimono would have been better suited and would have added to the aesthetics of the blade.
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>>143618
>Actually, I don't really remember what we were discussing about again.
you were the one wanting to 'debate'. anyhow if you don't remember then it's ok, no more discussion needed - not like one can be held here anyways.

>By the way, was that garish chiseling really necessary? A horimono would have been better suited and would have added to the aesthetics of the blade

I did think/ask about that, but it wasn't an option when I was getting the sword, since the smith that made it couldn't do horimono style engravments. So it was either that or no engravment at all - and I wanted it on it [obviously]. Well the smith who did it isn't Japanese, though he comes from smithing family he's the first one to do swords [I think his father was doing fences, ornaments and stuff like that] – he got fascinated by japanese swords when he was young at has been forging them for over 30 years. You can't expect him to know all the tricks of the trade but his swords are quite nice nonetheless. Here's another pic of my sword, and I'll post some other swords done by him since they are quite nice.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
Actually, there was one more thing left unresolved: The guy who had an unidentified sword with the partially-unwrapped tsuka.
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>>143694
that would have been mine.
seriously, you think this thing would be worth some fat cash?
>> Anonymous
>>143714
seriously, post the pic of the insignia on it at least. And you never answered - did you try bladeshark to find matching characters?
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>143714
Depends on who made it. Everything other than the blade can be replaced, since fittings and such have low value, even if they're antiques.

However, it first needs to be identified and checked for authenticity.
>> Anonymous
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i was just gonna drop the subject but since you requested it im gonna take it apart and post the thing..stay tuned cause this is gonna be real soon.
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i cant seem to get a pic detailed enough for display...hell the text on the edge is way too hard to see...suggestions...
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>143726
Can you get a bright light source on it?
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hay guys i gots sharp things too
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143471
Hey, it's No.143461 again.

It only just occurred to me that you named your sword after one of the few fictional vampires who doesn't actually drink blood. So yeah, maybe not as eager to taste my blood as you think.

Iaido, huh? Is that where you learned how to spell tameshigiri? Besides, if that mouth of yours is any indication, you'd have dropped Ahrookoo and found yourself on your knees begging with your new master to let go of your wrist long before 'she' ever got a taste of me. Victory isn't in cutting with your sword, it's in not getting cut.

Pop quiz! How do you draw a sword?
>> Anonymous
>>143828
>Pop quiz! How do you draw a sword?
with a pencil...
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143829
Now, that's terrible. Here I am trying to show up the OP and you pull that on me.

Go to DARPA to claim your free internet.
>> Anonymous
>>143423
>>143471
>>143514
>>143627

Sword faggotree.
Secondly, why did you put moonspeak on that, what a good way to ruin a piece of steel.
But you know what solves that problem... recycling.

The 3 R's bitch. Learn em, and when the time comes young apprentice, you will know what to do.
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>>143514
I have 20/20 vision and can hit the center of any target only after 30 minutes of practice. I can blow you away before you even think about using your toy.
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143836
oh yeah well i ken cut ur bullits in half before they hit me cuz i traned in iaido so yeah aruku would like to drink you lol
>> Anonymous
>>143836

lol, guns > swords

BAM!
>> Anonymous
Anyone who names a sword is a fucking faggot.

Doubly faggot if they name it after a fucking anime... ROFLECOPTER!!!

Well, I can tell you, that I got my friend Mr. Magnum that will blow any sword to bits.
>> Anonymous
>>143726
and also do a closeup with macro mode on the parts with characters. As for the bright light - if there's no sunlight try putting it under a desklight or if else fails try strong flashlight or something...

if you get desperate you might try retrace the characters using charcoal and thin paper over them.
>> Anonymous
>>143840
>Anyone who names a sword is a fucking faggot.
Unless you are a famous smith...
Which the OP certainly is not
>> I
Right you are! But behold! I've got my little Steyr HS .50 ya know. So if I see yer Magnum via my optics I'll simply blow yer head out, see? In case you won't have Magnum with ya I'll simply cut out yer head with my sword. It's always about the head work...;}
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143882
>It's always about the head work...;}
Fellatio tips from the master himself.
>> Anonymous
>>143897

LOL.

Anon > Sword Faggot OP
>> Anonymous
>>143882

Dude, you have a serious problem, if you think it's fun to just kill people with guns, or your shitty sword, get a life.

Oh wait, you FAILED at it already.... nevermind....
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143898

>>143461
>>143828
>>143897
All my handiwork. Can't stand fucks like OP.
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143882
And what do you call your rifle? Ciel?

Go back to bed, junior.
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I CANT BELIEVE WHAT IM READING....
OK any fag who jumps into the argument of swords vs. guns is a fuck tard.
combat is based on tactics. if you have a gun and i have a sword, then if im to survive i must strike you down with a killing blow in close quarters. to do so i will have to get you to pursue me into an enclosed area where you will have trouble aiming as well as maneuvering. of if im lucky enough to force you to spend your ammo recklessly then i could just run up and cut you in two. but even that is foolish in that you may have extra ammo, and even if you didnt, you could still attempt to defend yourself in hand to hand combat.
or...alternatively
i could just hand you a small bomb, say "see ya fucker" and run like hell.
train in your weapons of choice. and prey that training will aid you in a time of great need.
other wise, your a grade school jackass screaming that hulk can beat spiderman.
so now lets get back to the sword topic.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143934
Time to listen, you juvenile little shit.

The fact that you had ARCADE BUMSTEAD carved into the side of your sword in moonspeak clearly demonstrates you don't give two shits about your sword. You should've expected to be made fun of here.

Furthermore, how fucking old are you? Six years in martial arts and you're still immature enough to play internet ninja? Grow the fuck up.

If you want a serious sword topic, buy a sword, don't fuck it up with your waptastic fantasies, gtfo here and go to /k/. And pray they'll buy your e-penile bullshit.
>> Anonymous
OP here - Chosis you seem to have failed to notice you are arguing with various anonymous ppl. I would have let you go on with it, since it's quite amusing to read, but I'm interested in that unidentified sword that guy has here. So it would be nice if you could try to act a bit more mature and not answer every trivial provocation 14 yr old anons throw at you. You'll spam the thread out before that guy even gets a chance to post those characters.

PS
As a bonus for all those funny comments you posted let me tell you a lil bit about iaido trained nowadays – it's mostly non-contact swordsmanship, trained mainly with swords called iaito that are supposed to help you perform cuts correctly [they make a peculiar 'woosh' sound when sung correctly]. Iaitos are lighter then katans, are not forged but made by metalcasting, often are made of zinc/aluminum alloys and can't be used for actual cutting. Most dojos don't allow sharp swords for training and any kind of contact training is quite rare. I'm not training Iaido anymore, I switched to kenjutsu. While iaido focuses a lot on battou justsu and noutou jutsu, kenjtsu pretty much skips those parts and most techniques begin with your sword drawn and end without sword sheathing. And of course there's contact training, mainly with bokkens or modified shinai.
>> Anonymous
>>143937
hey anon OP dont bother with cho.
hes too young to understand anything your trying to teach him. hes a troll, a jackass, and a buffoon. he will most likely post a response that will showcase his lack of wit, say many things including but not limited to: your fags, your stupid, i have a huge penis and a heckler and kosh, i fucked your moms, im currently fucking your sister, your gay,(yes he will go back to it many many times) and lastly he will announce thread over and show that hes just some gun loving republicans kid trying to find high rez pics of ninja to photoshop into porn of girls he knows.(girl. singular, like the phone company)

its lame, hes lame. im currently outside taking some daylight pics of the swords tang so hopefully a translation will follow...but sadly i dont think my cam is high enough rez to get the pic with all the rust on the thing.

and lastly.
ARCADE BUMSTEAD? what the fuck. is he 12 AND from Canada? bah....don't answer. its obvious your from gaia.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143937
>I switched to kenjutsu
You see, you should of mentioned this first. Now I have a bit of respect for you. But if you were the 3rd poster, surely someone who's dedicated themselves to the arts for such a time isn't so...trying to think of a better word than immature.

Myself, I've clocked up one year of Shingen ryu kenjutsu, and one and a half years of budo. Our classes incorporate elements of battoujutsu into lessons, but in hindsight I imagine it's a bit more involved than what I was taught. We also use bokken for contact sparring.

One thing that was drilled into us, however, was that while our weapons should be an extension of ourselves, it was unnatural and immature to name a sword, let alone defile it with engravings, etchings, etc. A personal belief of my sensei, then?

As for the mystery sword, give me a minute to crank up Photoshop and see if I can't clear the picture a bit.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143939
Oh, I'm sorry. Trying to help, here.
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ohh...this one came out good...
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cho...stop trying....
if you did take any classes in the arts. first lesson you get is . SHOW RESPECT
respect all arts. one who trains is one who respects. you belittled the op for etching his sword, and nameing it. you sir are no student.
in a few cultures there are swords who passed from fighter to fighter. the sword is named usually after the sword smith who made it. and gets stamped under hilt. thats how swordsmiths got fame. you need to pick up the book of the five rings and READ it cover to cover 5 or 6 times before you post another word.

and dont give me this whole....i read that book years ago...bullshit. at this point i cant believe anything you post.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143944
First kanji is ? - shining or bright
>> Anonymous
>>143940
maa, yoi. i decided to name my sword long time ago before I got one. I can't say my sensei was thrilled about it either. nor was the smith [but he was getting paid so he didn't complain xD]. But yeah, once I decide on something no force on earth or in heaven can changed that… I'm planning to go to Japan if I can get the scholarship I'm aiming for. If it all works out I might be getting a Japanese-forged sword in some distant future… and you bet it will be named the same [it will be MY sword, and I can care less what rest of the world thinks].
As to actually naming swords I heard/read a lot of different opinions. It seems to have been differently viewed by different schools/styles/time periods.

>>143944
this came out good

>>143942
If you want to help go to bladeshark.com and start looking through the pdfs there trying to find matching characters

>>143947
you too - go look for matching characters.

i'm gona do that as well, but later i g2g now.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
Fine, look that kanji up. You want help translating this or not?
>> Anonymous
>>143953
i tryed to get a college professor to translate this...she could not...but that symbol she did indeed tell me ment shining or bright.

your words are now redeeming yourself.
i can respect those who respect others...let us see how far this can go.
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better angle and a clearer pic.
>> Anonymous
>>143953
of course we do, but you are doing it wrong.
first one is Oki, btw
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>>143960
agh forgot the pic
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143959
The second kanji... Is there a dash connecting the two horizontal lines at the top, or is that glare?
>> Anonymous
>>143965
thats a dash...
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>143964
??????
Not sure about the last three, but the first two refer to the Showa era of Japanese history, covering the years 1926 to 1989.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143968
? 7th rank
?? Tatsuharu

The name and rank of the owner?
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heres a side by side of the same side...might clear up some of the lettering.
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>>143968
yeah. look at the pic
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>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
Found it!

http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~j-gunto/gunto_113.htm

"The Koa Issin blade in a Army Type 98 presented to two Generals of Finland."

Sounds like they're ornamental pieces given to Finnish hosts by Japanese diplomts..?
>> Anonymous
>>143974
now that is awesome.
full of win and god.
but how about the other side....
>> Anonymous
>>143977
WIN AND GOD I SAY!!!!!
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
Ah, the kanji are a date... Ignore the link, I guess.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143984
Is it it, though? We do still need the second side translated to be sure. I got a little carried away.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
I can transcribe the kanji on the other side, but that will be two or three hours from now (I'm busy). Unless of course, someone else takes the initiative.
>> Anonymous
>>143977
uso! looks almost too good to be true xD
can we possibly get the two symbols [5th and 6th] with a better closeup?
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143971
Comparing that to this image from the site:
http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~j-gunto/gunto113008.jpg

I'd say we've found your sword.
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
>>143990
It's a pretty low-res image, but I blew it up in Photoshop. I'd post it, but we've hit 50 images.
From what I can tell, I'm sold. I say that's the sword.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
If your sword is indeed a Type 98 shin gunto, it may not have much value. Most of them were machined (not even properly forged) blades. Try asking KM over in /k/ for a second opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_98_Military_Sword#Type_98
>> Chosis !4X8vLLNDE2
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Okay, not 50 pics. Something stopped me posting this before... Ah well.
>> Anonymous
>>143996
i still think we need 5th and 6th in a closeup [new photo with just those at the center of attention] to be 100% sure
>> Anonymous
>>143997
ill get a pic of it here in an hour or so...posting from work.
there is no 6th image on that side...but the other side could use translating.
this could take a few mins.
>> Anonymous
>>144004
I may be going insane but I see 8 characters on mei side, so sixth is there alright. [i think you got a bit confused here - we are done with urmei side already...]
>> Anonymous
ITT fags who watch too many ninja and samurai animes.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>143971
>>143996
????
???? (Full metal construction?)

That's what I think it transcribes to. Take note that smiths often took liberties with the chiseling for reasons such as conserving space.
>> Anonymous
>>144154
Well, i've done some more searching and i can definitely say this is Koa isshin family blade, most likely type 98 as stated before.
go here:
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_032.htm
and see how much those 98 resembles the one that we are researching - tsuba, ito, etc - it would be best if the owner of the sword looks at it.

As to translation, take a look here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/koa.htm
it will shed some light at it ^_^

Additionally you make check the sword that's for sale here:
http://www.japanesesword.com/Images/Swords/04/904/904kat5/koa_isshin_mantetsu_katana.htm
>> NINJA-RAPTOR-JESUS
>>143836

well dear sir since i am a ninja i will hide and still have a big advantage, just look at the phillipin isles as an example, there, almost all murders are committed with blade weapons, even the special forces favorizes knives and machetes before weapons, escrima you know, so ... in therory, your dead before you know it, plus i would probably throw shurikens at your sorry ass before i cut you up it's ALOT more simple than to silent run up to you from behind and cut your neck ...