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Anonymous
hoax
>> WE
orly
>> Anonymous
>>288493

Prove him wrong
>> Anonymous
IHNBT. IHNL. IWHND.
>> Anonymous
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>>288493

...whats a hoax? the moon? or that we landed on it?

if its the landings then, yes we did land on it.

And we should do it again, in order to explore the possibilities of getting the fuck off of earth ASAP.
>> Anonymous
It's called HELIUM 3 or H3

Abundant on the Moon, and probably mined.

Wiki on H3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
>> Anonymous
Moon is hoax'd.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>288656
!! WOA, 1st time I ever heard someone else rant about h3!! Impressive.
>> Anonymous
>>288656
Helium-3 isn't abundant on the moon, idort. 0.01ppm. You'd have to sift through hundreds of tons of lunar regolith to get much of any H3 out of it.

That's just not practical with the kind of powersupply and infrastructure we have available on the moon.
>> Anonymous
>>288619
Crap, there`s too much evidence against moon landings. Enjoy your government lies amerikkkans.
>> Anonymous
>>288834
The evidence is strong that we actually did land on the moon, especially since most of the conspiracy theories would require more work to do than simply going to the moon in the first place.

One of the biggest bits of circumstantial evidence in favor of us really having gone to the moon is the fact that the Soviets never claimed otherwise. They had all the necessary tracking equipment (actually, just about every country in North America and Europe had the right tracking equipment) and they could have done serious damage to our international reputation by exposing our moon attempts as a lie, yet they didn't.
>> Anonymous
>>288845
(cont.)

Simple logic also suggests that we actually went to the moon.

A. The Saturn V's were all actually built and launched, and they all contained the command module and lunar lander. They also had the power required to get to the moon and back. None of this could have been faked unless everyone involved in their manufacture, assembly, and launch was in on the conspiracy.

B. The command module and lunar lander were both designed and manufactured to be able to do all the things they were claimed to do. Hell, a pressure tight tin can with food inside could have gotten the astronauts to the moon, it's so trivial that faking it wouldn't be cost effective.

C. Given that the Saturn V could actually do the mission required, and so could the command module and lunar lander, what would be the point of actually faking it? To save the tiny bit of money that monitoring and controlling a manned mission requires?
>> Anonymous
We got to the moon, and then we had to fake almost all of it because what we discovered there would destroy our sanity.
>> Anonymous
>>288851
I always laugh when I hear the most common pro-moon landing argument "how could they possibly keep it a secret with all these people involved".

You dumbfucks don't realise that all the hundreds or thousands of people involved didn't NEED to know about whether it was fake or not. They just did the work they were told to and thought it was for real just like the millions of other dumbfucks out there.

The only people that NEEDED to be in on it was the people at the very very top, the set builders, neil armstrong, buzz lightyear and the camera operators.
>> Anonymous
>>288857
Actually there are two choices: either those hundreds of thousands of people were involved, or, if they weren't involved then the rockets they built could could take people from the surface of the Earth to the moon and back, safely. (In which case why fake it at all, why not just GO?)

The reason for this split is because the hundreds of thousands of people involved in the manufacture of the rockets would notice if they were building a rocket that couldn't do its job.

They would notice this because they would be looking for flaws and defects in the rockets order to correct them (just like with any other manufacturing process.) So each of the rocket engines had to have worked, the fuel storage tanks, the computers, each stage would have worked, everything. Even the overall design was reviewed over and over again.

Thus, the only logical conclusion is that if the people who made the rockets weren't in the conspiracy then they would have produced a rocket that could take men from the surface of the Earth to the moon and back again, safely.

But if they could build a rocket to safely take people to the moon and back, why bother with faking it at all?

The alternative is that they were all in on the conspiracy, but the probability of hundreds of thousands of people keeping a secret that large is zero, so large groups of them would have already come out already. But they haven't.

Thus believing in a conspiracy leads to a logical contradiction, and is thus wrong.
>> The _Black_Circle !ZV9v1et5Mk
>>288857
fuck people like you are so stupid, did somebody drop you on your head as a child? Next you'll be saying 9/11 was an inside job. Enjoy living in not only ignorance but falsehoods and plain stupidity.
>> Anonymous
>>288857
Agree, this is also how they have hidden the truth about UFOs. Only those at the top know. Americans believe anything the government tells them, they want to believe. I believe this goes back to the days of snakeoil salesmen, most americans are quite gullible. Bush says there are WMDs in Iraq, no WMDs found. Yet North Korea has WMDs but no military action by the US. The more you read about 911, the more you realise the government is telling lies. Americans today live in a world of make believe and fantasy, they are fed a diet of lies, lies and more lies. They want to believe they are the best and can do no wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>288862
Rockets can go anywhere, we have two passing beyond the heliosphere as we speak. But there is huge difference in sending a piece of metal into space and sending a living being to the moon.

>>288866
"people like you"? That's funny.

I would type up a reply but you already said anything I would've said back to you minus the 9/11 bit, fucken Bushfag.
>> Anonymous
>>288866
You keep waving that chinese made amerikkkan flag while your government screws you.
>> Anonymous
>>288873
>>But there is huge difference in sending a piece of metal into space and sending a living being to the moon.

Not really. From a physics point of view if you can send 120 tons of metal into space then you can send a 120 ton space capsule with living people inside it into space.

The only real differences between a man rated rocket and a non-man rated rocket is that man rated rockets accelerate slower (and thus carry less payload, having to carry more fuel instead) and are checked more throughly to prevent them from blowing up.
>> Anonymous
>>288862
Typical know all american brainwashed by your education system.
>> Anonymous
>>288881
Is my logic _wrong_?


If so please point out where.
>> Anonymous
The proof that we went to the moon is still on the moon. Specifically an array of corner mirrors that scientist bounce lasers off of to get very accurate distances from.
>> Anonymous
>>288881

So is your retarded belief in a nonsensical conspiracy theory motivated by stupidity, or some random hatred of a country you don't even live in and clearly know little about? Or is it a little of both?
>> Anonymous
>>288883
Funny that, it's been how many decades and with all the awesome satellites we have they still haven't been able to get a satellite image at least of the landing sites. Why haven't we been back, why don't they send at least a rover or something?

As for the mirrors, they don't even need mirrors to determine distance, they can radar map Venus from the Earth without having to place anything on Venus.

>>288884
I bet I can speak for him when I say neither
>> Anonymous
>>288882
You are not Dr Spock, fantasy land boy. Americans always speak in terms of two choices. Rest of the world thinks of many choices because we are taught to think freely. Don`t you get it fantasy boy, your government has been lying to you for decades if not longer.
>> Anonymous
>>288883
Not hard to fake.
>> Anonymous
Every single moon landing hoax claim UTTERLY refuted:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.iangoddard.net/moon01.htm
http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~durda/Apollo/landing_sites.html
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Did%20we%20land%20on%20the%20Moon.htm
http://www.clavius.org/

By good ol' science and common sense.
And if you STILL think the landings were faked, then for the love of God, I urge you not to reproduce. Like, EVER.
>> Anonymous
>>288900
But if if those two choices are wrong (IE: there are more than two choices) then the will be a logical flaw or assumption (a pretty obvious one) in my argument. Please, show me where that flaw is.

The fact of the matter is that in this particular case the evidence and logical implications indicate that we really did go to the moon, because the other options require more work.

>>288903
The laser cube is essentially impossible to fake, considering anyone with the right equipment (anyone with a large enough laser and laser detector, so at least Russia, Canada and all the countries in Europe) can determine if the mirror cube exists. It's existence does not imply that people put it there themselves however, which is why I left it out of my argument.
>> Anonymous
>>288883
With a modified antenna, I can do that with my mobile phone. You americans think you`re so smart. There`s much more to the world than your piece of dirt bag country.
>> Anonymous
>>288908
...Such as?
>> Anonymous
>>288908
Your cell phone can shoot a laser to the moon? Or are you saying that with a modified antenna your cell phone can reflect lasers?

Oh, you're saying that with a modified antenna (and modified software) you can bounce radio waves off the moon and measure the time required for the round trip, allowing you to calculate the distance to the moon.

Good for you, too bad that wasn't the point of that post. The point of that post was that someone or something put a corner cube of mirrors on the moon, and anyone with the right equipment can prove that it is actually there.
>> Anonymous
>>288907
you`re an arrogant shit, are`nt you.
>> Anonymous
>>288915
Yes, I am an arrogant shit.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any example of where my reasoning is incorrect, or makes an assumption that it shouldn't make.
>> Anonymous
>>288913
Yah but a robot could have easily placed it there, there is no evidence to suggest that a human hand placed it there.
>> Anonymous
>>288897
>Funny that, it's been how many decades and with all the awesome satellites we have they still haven't been able to get a satellite image at least of the landing sites.

Are you lying or just stupid?

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/apollo15_touchdown_photos_010427.html

Not that you'll believe that. We have pictures take *from* the surface of the moon, and you don't even believe those, so why even bother with this line of argument about satellite images? You can make the same silly claims about those being fake, too.

Anyway, what the fuck is with all the American-bashing? First of all, none of your insults make any sense. Second, they have nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you think your country is superior, try demonstrating it by acting reasonably civil and not buying into wild conspiracy theories.
>> We had to build the SaturnV, why not go?
>>288920
Yes, a robot could have placed it there, thus putting it under "circumstantial evidence" rather than "direct evidence". (I'm the one arguing that since we had to build working Saturn V's anyway we would have gone as that would have been cheaper than faking it.)
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>>288921
Yeh of course I find that picture to be bullshit. About as bullshit as Guth-Venus (see pic)

It's grainy, not high res at all. The part about that picture is "Arrow A....created by the craft's engine blast" - why did we see no such crater in the moon photos then?
>> Anonymous
ITT conspiracyfags
>> Anonymous
>>288923
I just fucking KNEW you weren't going to read any of those sites. Nevertheless, for people who AREN'T retarded, here it is again, specifically: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#crater

And if you're STILL a fucking idiot who acts all open-minded because they think they're wise to the "truth" but dare not read anything that might contradict that belief, let me explain it in terms of dumb.

DUUUUUUHHH!!!! DUUUUHHHH!!! ME IDIOT! ME THINK MOON LANDING FAKED BECAUSE NO BLAST CRATER! ME FORGET MOON HAS NO ATMOSPHERE AND LESS GRAVITY! NO AIR MEANS EXHAUST SPREADS OUT?!? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE! MUST BE FAKED! DURRR! DURRRR! ME WIN SPECIAL OLYMPICS MEDAL FOR ARGUING!

...Did you get that, or did I use too many big words?
>> Anonymous
>>288928

Uh, I had a look at your crap sites, Phil Plait sucks cock.

>...but dare not read anything that might contradict that belief...
So why do none of your sites linked have both sides of the argument? Why wouldn't you give links to both sides of the story so that people can make their own mind up instead of trying force people to believe in your opinion?
>> Anonymous
>>288930
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html
Both sides of the argument. Which you'd have known if you bothered to even so much as look.

Do you ever get tired of giving retards a bad name?
>> Anonymous
>>288930

Science isn't a democracy, and it's not a scientists job to let you "make your own mind up." Scientists gather evidence, experiment, and make conclusions. They don't present those conclusions and then say, "Oh, and here's some random bullshit that contradicts my conclusions but doesn't actually make any sense. See if you like this better."

You can disagree with the scientists all you want; they're not stopping you. But you're wrong is all I'm saying.
>> Anonymous
>>288928
and also, I argued that on the satellite image you linked, it was trying to point out that there WAS a blast crater, yet we didn't see one in the photos

also - caps makes you sound like a retard.
>> Anonymous
>>288933

That one went right over your head, didn't it? Fucking moron.
>> Anonymous
>>288933
Yes, I thought I did a pretty good impression of you too, thank you.
>> Anonymous
>>288934
well it's hard to understand when one has to resort to talking like a retard to get ones point across
>> Anonymous
>>288936
Aw, don't put yourself down like that. It's not that we don't understand you. We DO. We just think you're a godawful fucking idiot, that's all.
>> Anonymous
ITT: fags who think the moon landing was faked
>> Anonymous
Jesus, you people are getting trolled like /b/tards to a camwhore.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Brainwashed amerikkkans who think the moon landing was real.
>> Anonymous
>>288953
Case in point.
>> Anonymous
The Earth has a huge sophisticated shield to protect life from radiation from our sun, yet we are led to believe someone wearing a space suit can survive beyond this protective shield. The three astronuts that died during a simulated outer orbit test using only a quarter of the radiation experienced in outer space is proof why man has never landed on the moon. People posting here who believe man landed on the moon are nothing but trekkies who believe Star Trek is real. American belief system is made up of- tv, movies, government lies, drugs, medication, bad diet and other mindless pursuits. NASA is just one big disneyland for American adults already used to all the lies they have been fed since birth.
>> Anonymous
>>288493
11/10
>> Anonymous
>>288994
>The Earth has a huge sophisticated shield to protect life from radiation from our sun

Yes, and without the Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer, life on Earth wouldn't exist. That doesn't mean somebody exposed to higher levels of radiation is going to instantly die. What I find amusing is that *your* understanding of radiation appears to come more from Star Trek than from reality.
>> Anonymous
I won`t believe man landed on the moon until some other independent country goes there to verify it without interference from america. Too many people worldwide have suffered from americas lies. American polititions/government agencies are some of the most corrupt in the world and will do whatever it takes to further their agendas.
>> Anonymous
>>289004
>American polititions/government agencies are some of the most corrupt in the world

Haha, what the fuck? There are countries in Africa who can't keep a stable democracy running because their leaders are too busy swindling money. You apparently don't read the news much, or you'd see that people are dying in Nigeria right now because of a corrupt president.

And you have the gall to call *America* one of the most corrupt countries in the world? You need a serious dose of reality.
>> Anonymous
>>289002
Huge amounts of radiation = instant death.
>> Anonymous
>>289007

You = ignorant.
>> Anonymous
>>289006
Compared to other western democracys, America is the most corrupt.
>> Anonymous
>>289008
Americans = Dumbasses.
>> Anonymous
>>289009

Oh ho ho, now you're going to just change what you said. You're still wrong, of course, and you're just digging yourself deeper into your pit of stupidity.
>> Anonymous
>>289011

People who make generalizations = dumbasses.
>> Anonymous
>>289006
But amerikkka will still steal Nigerias oil.
>> Anonymous
>>289012
You didn`t refute it, so you know it`s true.
>> Anonymous
>>289015

Haha, no. You didn't support your original statement, either, so we're basically at the level of two kids yelling "nuh-uh" "uh-huh" back and forth.
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>>289006

>Haha, what the fuck? There are countries in Africa who can't keep a stable democracy running because their leaders are too busy swindling money.

Hmm, you make it sound like America's govt isn't swindling money. See picture on left.


>You apparently don't read the news much, or you'd see that people are dying in Nigeria right now because of a corrupt president.

Hmmmm, you apparently read TOO MUCH government controlled news to think that it's not happening to Americans all the same. Do you know how many American's have died (needless deaths) since George Bush came to power?

A quick google search brought up these:
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/
http://tvnewslies.org/html/george_w__bush_-_world_s_leadi.html
http://www.ccadp.org/serialpresident.htm
http://www.geocities.com/bushamericanmessiah/

I'm not just talking about the thousands of American's killed in Afganistan, Iraq etc, it happens on American soil too.

He is a dictator, he and his govt are corrupt, to say that America currently has a stable democracy is fucken rediculous.
>> Anonymous
>>289021

Are you honestly comparing Nigeria, the MOST corrupt nation on the Earth (besides maybe Haiti), the nation whose people rioted in the streets - resulting in the death of thousands - because they thought a solar eclipse was the end of the world, to the world leader for GDP?

Amerifags suck... but honestly.
>> Anonymous
>>289025
dude, america rules the world, of course they're the most corrupt
>> Anonymous
Never argue with an idiot. He'll bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
>> Anonymous
je moeder is een hoax
>> Anonymous
>>289021

king of thread
>> Anonymous
>>289021
>He is a dictator, he and his govt are corrupt, to say that America currently has a stable democracy is fucken rediculous.

Hahaha, holy shit you're stupid. He's not a dictator, because a year from now when someone new is elected into office, he'll step down, just like all the forty-plus presidents before him. Which is why America *does* have a stable democracy.

I agree the Bush Administration is corrupt as shit, I agree it's caused unnecessary deaths, and I hate Bush, but holy fuck you're a retard.
>> WE
>>288994

MIR
>> Anonymous
i can't believe there's actually people who believe the lunar landings are a hoax.
>> Anonymous
>>289007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning

>>More than 50 Sv...survived for 49 hours...
50 sieverts is roughly 10 times what you'd get from a 20 megaton nuclear blast at 5.4 kilometers (3.3 miles). Radiation doesn't kill you instantly.

>>288994
I assume you're referring to Apollo 1? Those astronauts died because they were in a 100% oxygen atmosphere at room pressure, which meant that EVERYTHING could burn, and did when a fire started.
>> The _Black_Circle !ZV9v1et5Mk
>>288873
>>288875
I'm from Canada you stupid fucks.
>> The _Black_Circle !ZV9v1et5Mk
Also, I just read this entire thread and have to say, I'm sorry that there are still so many stupid fucking people in the world that don't comprehend even the basic principles of science or the world around them.
Those can believe such utter rubbish as the moon landings were faked and the likes. I could see this working in the 1900's but not 2008, get a grip on reality. Anybody with common sense, yes, knows the media is bias, and governments are often corrupt, but they also realize that you would have to have the level of education on par with a 5 year old not to be able to discern between evident fact and logic (we went to the moon, whoopidy fucking doo) and it being unpossible! (what with the huge force fields around the earth...which the sun rotates around).
I salute those of you who tried to make the conspiracy theorists re-think their idiotic claims, but unfortunately it's unlikely it will have any effect. They are stuck in suffocating bubbles of ignorance and will remain there. Luckily you can just have a good laugh at them and find somebody who actually does have something of value to say.
>> sage
what the FUCK is going on in this thread?

stop filling /hr/ with this gay shit. this is not the "arguelikecockfacesin/b/" board, it's /hr/.

go be fucking idiots somewhere else.
>> X
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When you resort to ad hominem "arguments", you aren't really making an actual argument. Presenting an argument or counter argument require that you refer to the subject at hand. Not when you namecall people.

Namecalling in this thread is a major FAIL!

BTW, pic is a replica of 1st russian moon rover robot "Lunokhod 1", that explored the surface in 1970. Well said to have, who knows. And note, it's HR.
>> Anonymous
If my only sense of purpose in life came from a belief in conspiracy theories I'd cling to them too in the face of overwhelming evidence top the contrary.

Also, lol trolls.