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Anonymous
There's more to this 'world' than our petty problems...
>> Anonymous
the universe is compact!
>> Anonymous
Imagine then that this "universe" is part of a socalled "multiverse", as it is with solar systems, and galaxy's. Now thats some heavy shit to think about, eh guys and girls?

We are so føkkin small and insignificant, that we cannot even conceptualize it in our petty heads. At least most of us... So therefore we walk around like sheep, or ants, could even be compared to some bacteria spreading ourself, taking one cell (planet..?) at a time.

E=Mc2 ffs.

http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/millennium/

Check out the sims on how the known universe looks like. This is just insane.
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>> Anonymous
>>340030
>Imagine then that this "universe" is part of a socalled "multiverse"

No.
>> Anonymous
>>340030
you're dumb.

There are either two possibilities. Humans are the only form of intelligent life in the universe or the universe is teeming with life. Either way, it's much more impressive to think about than your stupid stoner "multiverses" or your middle-school philosophy about how we are insignificant.

Jesus Christ, read a book other than the Cannabible.
>> Anonymous
>>340049
>stupid stoner "multiverses"

lol, because quantum physics is for stoners right?
>> Anonymous
lol, yeah, Im a stoner, but wtf does that have to do bout shit? Nomatter what, you cannot prove wrong, cuz we simply do not know, We have no possible means to spot another universe, should there be a multiverse.

Do you not agree mankind as a race is quite insignificant in comparison to the vastness of what is everything?

And do you really think earth is the only place life could evolve to the point of something similar as our planet? Hell no, thats my opinion, if it could happen here it could happen somewhere else. Theres a lot of conditions to be right, but nomatter its just too unlikely that earth is the only planet with (somewhat) intelligent life. They may be millions of years behind us or millions in front. Fact of the matter though, we just dont know.
>> Anonymous
I think we should be amongst the earliest intelligent lives in the universe, it takes 2 star cycles for a small area of the universe to become metal rich, which takes 10 billions years gave or take. Assuming it would take another 3 billion years (aka humans) before for intelligent life to appear. that adds up to be the age of universe.
>> Anonymous
>>340302
lol, try again, stars with very high mass can expire in under 10 million years. Hell, something with 25 solar masses will only last 7 or so million years.
>> Anonymous
wait so were exploring a topic here based on logical insights and careful consideration.....

why don't we just make this a petty squabble about each other's integrity and make claims that the bible is the only answer.

oh wait the conservative assfucks haven't gotten here yet, how nice is this?
>> Anonymous
>>340309
either way the universe is considered to be in its
infancy, 15,000,000,000 years down, over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000&#4
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000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to go
>> Anonymous
wtf is that 4;? i didnt type that
>> Anonymous
>>340336
...yeah about that.... the universe could have already ended beyond what we can currently observe. google "the big rip".
>> Anonymous
>>340338
ya good point too, we've never actually observed the universes borders. we can only make educated guesses as to the actual size of the universe. there are some who think it may be that the entire known/visible (something like 78 billion light years across) universe is only a small region of a much much larger place. in fact it may be impossible to ever observe "the edge" as it seems that the universe is accelerating is expansion, and is "blowing up" faster than light
>> SWA
i think its expanding at the speed of light and because of that nothing can ever travel faster and therefore nothing can ever reach the ever expanding edge of space.

but you cant disprove the theory that we are all an imagination of ourselves.
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>>339029
The Hubble Deep Field image terrifies me for some odd reason.
>> Anonymous
>>340346
what about the ULTRA deep field? which is what the OP posted.
>> Xero
An inspiration at it's finest.
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>>340347
The Ultra Deep Field image i'm strangely ok with.
it actually inspires feelings of joy and mirth in me.
>> Anonymous
>>340344
jesus christ, if it was expanding at the speed of light we wouldn't be able to see anything. lern2hubble. I'd post Edwin's findings but i cant find a chart anywhere near big enough for this board's resolution requirements.
>> Anonymous
>>340353
lrn2logic
>> Anonymous
>>340362
nm i dont know what im saying. anyway its a theory
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>>340352
Man thats some sweet shit. I love these kinda pics.

Anyway, here's a thought for ya; If there was nothing before the Big Bang then how did the Bang come to be at all? What made the bang into a bang? Meaning existence of matter before time existed? Therefore perhaps the possibility of a multiverse not looking too bad?

Something would have had to be there for a explosive reaction like that to commence.

So please prove me wrong, and tell me your theories. I love discussing this kinda shit.
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>> Anonymous
l ron hubbard invented the universe

no further questions

NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
>> Anonymous
>>340490
neither time nor matter existed before the big bang. Wait for the LHC to turn on for your questions, its currently pointless to discuss anything that happened before 10^-43rd seconds after the big bang.
>> Anonymous
What is outside the outer-most part of the expanding universe?
What is our universe expanding into?

This is the ultimate paradox, and I think brings up the question of God. If the universe is governed by science, the universe cannot be infinite. But...reality keeps going. Beyond this universe there must be something. And beyond that must be something. And beyond that something.

The laws of science break down at this point. There is something more.
>> Anonymous
>>340607
No. You simply don't understand what "the expansion of the universe" means. The Universe doesn't expands in anything. It is the space itself that expands through time. Go read some scientific articles.
>> Anonymous
>>340609
When something expands, it expands in a medium. It doesn't just expand in nothingness. What is it expanding in? What is outside the universe? "Space itself that expands through time" is the most vague bullshit I have ever heard.
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_space
>> Anonymous
The universe is big, so what? Don't feel intimidated and keep exploring.
>> not some Anonymous !z4Uk8xxiEI
>>340607

If we don't know something, then obviously God or some equally inexplicable being is responsible.

Sage for severe mental retardation.
>> cruisan gaems Anonymous
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>>340708
OBVIOUSLY IF WE CANNOT SOLVE A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WE WILL NEVER EVER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT EVER. RIGHT GUYS? RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT?
>> Anonymous
>>340622
Thats the trick, in this case, it does not. Spacetime does not exist in our standard three dimensions outside of where matter and light exists. They are creating the spacetime as they expand.
>> Anonymous
BLAH BLAH BLAH, wait till you fuckers find out about the fifth dimension
then talk some sense....
oh wait... the universe doesn't make any.
Our generation will never know ANYTHING.
so u kno, just sayin this to keep your hopes .. DOWN
>> Xero
>>340076


Yes it is.

>>340341

No, the universe is not expanding in the sense of creation of matter, it is expanding in the sense of seperating. But of course, eventually everything will be pulled back to the center to smush all of matter in the universe into the size of about an electron, pretty much in the same fashion as black holes. Then time will reverse around it and another big bang will happen.

>>340030
Technically you kind of canceled yourself out. If this is a multiverse, and there are black holes in this universe, then our universe would be insignifigant to all of the other infinitely piled up universes. Making us AND everything else in the universe equally insignifigant. Which makes would make sense since an infinitely divisible peice of matter in a 3d universe is equal to any other infinitely divisible piece of matter.

>>340344
Depends on what light is.. A particle or a wave?

>>340490

The reverse of time around a black hole.

>>340607

You're dumb... Okay, you try to idiotically disprove the laws of dimension with a bunch of jumbled up words that you don't even know what they mean.

Oh and, quantum physics tells us that observation breaks down the wave function of probability, in extra-dimensional super-position to itself. Which leave me to believe that "God", being the "Creator of the universe" is omnipotent, correct? Wrong. It would be physically impossible to be both omnipotent and the creator of the universe at the same time, for the same reason that you tried to pin the mysteries of the universe on science for. What happens after? Or in the neutral sense of time, you could say- "What happens before?"

>>340722
Don't try to pity us. Learn to write with proper grammar, then try criticism. There are a few people here who actually seem like they know what they're talking about..
>> Xero
>>340724

A continuation on my last post regarding 340030:

a = universe.
b = atom
a = b
a = infinity
infinity = void
>> Xero
>>340049

Oh and you... Stfu...
>> Anonymous
>>340049
Multiverse theory (string) is actually the leading theory right now. The theory also says there's about 13ish dimensions (we know space-time exists as another dimension, but we can't see it, so it's not so crazy to think about there being more).
>> Anonymous
>>340724
er, oscillating universe idea is obsolete, dark energy prevents it from collapsing in on itself. Models show that an recollapsing universe would have to be about 5 billion years old, and we know it's know. We know the universe is accelerating in it's expansion.

Another thing to blow your mind: According to this leading model, during the big bang (at around 10^-38 seconds) the universe (spacetime) expanded from the size of a proton to the size of our solar system-- much faster than the speed of light.
>> Anonymous
>>340833
2nd know = not. I'm tired.
>> Anonymous
HEIM IS RIGHT
SELECTOR CALCULUS
DO IT
>> Anonymous
Okay, solar systems have the gravitational pull of the sun in the middle, galaxys have supermassive black holes as theire pull. But what the hell is at the center of a universe? Logics would imply that there should be SOMETHING there. A even bigger black hole? The theoretical white hole, which cannot exist?

Was the big bang a supermassive universe black hole, that reached its critical mass and turned white hole on us, spewing out everything we love and hate, creating the universe we know? I know this may sound far-fetched, but still..

As far as I can reason, black holes do not lead to some magically teleporting wormhole, but rather have such great gravitational pull that nothing escepes it and it just compresses more and more. I would guess at some time this would reach its critical state and then rupture in some way. Creating a white hole for a fraction of time, making a "big bang".

If there was no time or matter before the big bang, then the big bang could never have happend, do you not agree? So wtf is this shit? What the hell are we, and why the fuck are we at all? What spawned it all? The big bang cannot have been the zero point, of time as we know it yes, but not of everything. Every action has an equal reaction, so sumthin must have triggerd it. Well thats one of my theory's anyway...


Man I cant wait until the LHC gets turned on. Hope they'll find those damn illusive higgs, hehe.

ps: More Highres space pics thank you in advance.
>> Anonymous
>>340927
There is no center of the universe. learn more physics.
>> Anonymous
Intelligence is just a characterization of mankind. Statistically, the chance that there is life on a planet that is similar to earth, is insignificant.
>> Anonymous
>>340939

An intelligent lifeform, that has to be.
>> Anonymous
>>340939
That is so egocentrically retarded that I simply cannot be bothered to explain why you are a complete and total faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>340948

Intelligence is the same as for example, running fast. Man cannot run as fast as a cheetah. Though the cheetah doesnt have our intelligence. I am not saying that intelligence is superior to any other characterizations.

The total amount of species lies between 2 and 100 million. Multiplying this with the chance of a planet existing similar to earth, would generate a very small chance, would it not?
>> Anonymous
>Intelligence is just a characterization of mankind.
That is the egotistically retarded part. Dolphins can speak English, we cannot (as yet) speak dolphin. Who is intelligent there? The dolphin is not the only non-human species to have demonstrated grammatical understanding, the list includes apes (chimpanzees and gorillas) and birds (notably parrots, amongst others) - but apparently not Americans.

>Statistically, the chance that there is life on a planet that is similar to earth, is insignificant.
Probability of such occurrence = 1. At the very least, we are the example.

>>340952>Intelligence is the same as for example, running fast.
LOL. Are you American?
>> Anonymous
>>340964
>That is the egotistically retarded part. Dolphins can speak English, we cannot (as yet) speak dolphin.

Just because they can produce the same sound patterns that we use to create words, does not make them more intelligent than mankind. It merely shows they can learn something. Though we can create devices that can actually encode the dolphin speak, and in the near future might be able to communicate.

A parrot simply copies our sound pattern. I know people who can make bird sounds, does that make us as smart as birds?
>> Anonymous
>>340969
>A parrot simply copies our sound pattern.

Wrong. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/13/usa.stephenmoss
>> Anonymous
>>340934
Yes it is, whether or not something IS there, thats anoter question. As far as I know we cannot see that far, If anon could could come up with a answer to this, that would be nice.

Someone define intelligence... In maaaaaaaaaaany ways animals are FAR more intelligent than man. Most people are no more intelligent than a sheep, in many ways, following their herd leader. Working theire ass off, struggling to make ends meet and yet still ends up with less than mediocre lives.. Still, if you poor peeps did not do that, we "others" could not do what we wanted and find the solutions to our sheeps petty problems.
>> Anonymous
>>340969

Do dolphins have a fundamental understanding of our grammatical structure and syntax? No. Do they have a working language themselves, that can be used to express ideas and thoughts, as we can? Doubts.
>> Anonymous
And btw: We have evolved from friggin apes, so the thought about animals having more intelligence than we give them credit for, seems to fit quite nicely. If we could do it who's to say any other animal could not do it?
>> Anonymous
>>340993
LEARN SCIENCE YOU IDIOT.
>> Anonymous
>>340989
Google "Center of the universe" and you shall find your answer.
>> Anonymous
>>340989
There's no center of the universe nitwit. Do some research before claiming the earth is flat.
>> Anonymous
>>340297
there is a tiny teacup floating around space. prove me wrong.
there is an all-knowing all-seeing man hiding in the clouds with a list of 10 things you can't do. prove me wrong.
the internet is the aether. prove me wrong.
you're a douchebag. prove me wrong.