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ITT: Epic fighter jets!!
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Got a day flying in one of these for my birthday. Fucking awesome.
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You flew in a cuttlefish?
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this thread made me chuckle
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SU-27 sekushina~~~~
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Better than the EWWWro-fighter
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Horten Ho IX (Go 229)
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F-22 Raptor.

All your base are belong to us...
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B2
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Another Ho IX picture
All our bases have been stolen by some guys.. ;)
It is pretty lame to come up with a nurflugel stealth design almost 50 years after getting all the plans and all the aircraft from the Horten Brothers, if you ask me.
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wtf?
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>>445736
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It's an Indian Su-30MKI
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Are there any period pictures of this thing with its damn wings attached?
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unfortunately no good ones. i will look.
You may read this: http://greyfalcon.us/The%20Horten%20Ho%20229.htm
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That was at the end of war, everything was lacking. I do not find picture qualifiying for /hr/.
Yoe may read this http://greyfalcon.us/The%20Horten%20Ho%20229.htm
And here are some smaller images of Go-229 planes back then http://aerostories.free.fr/constructeurs/horten/page2.html
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I must admit I myself as a German was quite impressed about this when I heard about it the first time. Never knew that until a few months ago. Now some things my father told me about German aviation back then made more sense. He was sent to Russia by the Nazis and almost lost his right arm there.

This one looks also good, I think.
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Max.range: 1900km
Cruise speed: 900km/h
Max. speed horizontal: 960km/h
The first prototype with jet engines reached 920km/h (nurflugel.com)
Max speed: around 1000km/h
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>>446585

This pic is the box art from Dragon Models 1/48 scale model kit. I have stashed that kit since 1992 now. Sometime I will assemble it.

The V3 with Jumo 004B (same jet engines as on Me 262 and Ar 234B) never flew. It was found by the Americans and is still existing. Hopefully they will restore it someday.
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Oh and the Germans had a lot prototypes and projects going on in 1945. Some of them might have been flown in late 1945 and 1946 if the war had not ended (even as a German I have to say, thankfully it did).

It's amazing and disturbing how far the Nazi war machine had come. In 1944 the patent protection in Germany was completely lifted, so the way was free for the engineers to build whatever they wanted. The Allied had nothing like this. It was not until the Korean war 'til they had comparable planes in the air.

Go here to see what the Germans had planned:

http://www.luft46.com/
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I wonder if I would be able to safely fly one of those things...
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The last surviving Do-335 was captured by allied forces at the plant on 22 April 1945. The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51s. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before the P-51s.

Awesome...
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Probably not. The jet engines back then were the first generation jet engines and not very reliable (war time material issues may have accounted for this as well).
One of the test pilots, Erwin Ziller, was killed after an engine failure.
http://nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_ix/ho_ix_blurb/body_ho_ix_blurb.html
I think it is some strange irony of history that during such a regime people reached such amazing advances. The guys there had just 6 months from initial proposal to the first test flight. Unbelievable.
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It was a time when risks were generally taken much more lightly and the pilots were willing to take the risks (just like Chuck Yeager was as a test pilot). Today we have thousands of computer simulations prior the first flight.

And it's true, the jet engines were unreliable. The Jumo 004B was extremely fragile. You had to move the throttle very slowly to increase thrust. Moving the throttle too fast could result in a flame out or even blow up the engine. The jet fuel however was a low quality stuff comparable to Diesel. It was not in short supply.
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I have the POH of the Me-262 somewhere on my pc.
It briefly covers the usage of the Jumo 004.
Any interest?

I have an ATPL license. My dream is to fly a Spitfire, but a Ho-229 is fine too...
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Me-262 surely is one of the most epic of jet aircraft
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surely is one of the most epic of jet aircraft
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Fw190 D-13 all the way. :D
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This.

If it was fielded when it was first ready it would have raped the allies capability to inflict damage to German industry and infrastructure.
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It could have been introduced earlier if it had gotten 100% attention and all the resources needed for large scale production. But still it is overestimated because of all the teething troubles with the jet engines.

Equipped with R4M rockets it could do some considerable damage to bomber box formations but had to be protected by piston engine fighters like the Fw 190 Ds from the Würger Schwarm/Sachsenberg Schwarm during takeoff and landing. The Heimatschützer (Me 262C) was equipped with an additional Walther rocket engine for better takeoff and climbing performance.

By the end of the war an estimated 1500 Me 262s were partially finished. Standing along the Autobahns or in hidden underground factories all over southern Germany.
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tl;dr

Hitler was a retard.
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I am not sure if it was overestimated. The Me262 was with 870km/h much faster as allied planes (400km/h faster as bombers and 100km/h faster as fighters). It could have had deep impact on allied air raids. It was Hitler, who decided to not do this and load them with bombs making them as slow as conventional aircraft. This was not his only epic failure.
Epic, because Hitler had with the Arado Ar-234 already a jet driven bomber.
The result (according German wikipedia): There have been 1433 Me262 been built, but only 200 to 250 were operational at a time.
Not that I wished Hitler more luck, don't get me wrong..
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Arado Ar 234
Engines: 2 Junkers Jumo 004B, or 4 BMW 003A turbojet
max speed: 780km/h at 6000m with Jumo 004 engines, otherwise 742km/h
range: 1100km - 1556km
service ceiling: 10000m
max payload: 1500kg
range: 1100km
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Well, Ar 234
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Horten XVIII B "Amerika Bomber"

engines: 6 He S 011 turbojet
crew: 3
span: 42m
max weight 35t
service ceiling: 16000m
range: 11000km (6835 some sort of miles)
max speed: 850km/h
round trip time Germany - New York -Germany: 27h
weapons: 4,000 kg bombs, 4 MG 213 remotely controlled 30mm revolver cannon
The plane was constructed to be largely undetectable by radar at that time.

This one never started production.
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Thread's full of advanced Nazi prototypes/concepts, so, if anyone hasn't heard of it, www.luft46.com is worth a look - good database of this sort of thing.

Messerschmitt Me P.1079-16 4D.
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A more recent Ho XVIII artist picture.

Is this epic plane, or what?
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That same plane was later restored by the Dornier company in West Germany
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A Me-262 replica in Berlin
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A Focke Wulf 190 A-8 replica.

...I'd cut my dick off to own a flyable Dora or Ta-152.
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Messerschmitt Bf-109 G4 "Red Seven". She had "a little" accident, but iirc she's flying again.

All currently flying 109s are Buchons or converted Buchons, while all the "original" Messerschmitts have been put into museums. I think the last one was Bf 109 G2 "Black 6", which has been grounded since 1995.