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Here are some pic of my recently picked up rifle, im gonna go grab an m44 today probably.
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>> Anonymous
Very nice.
>> Anonymous
enjoy your school massacre
>> MeatSpin
to bad im not in school anymore, well college, but no body does shootings at colleges.
>> Anonymous
Mossin Nagants are awesome
>> Anonymous
...and yet he can't afford proper sheets.
>> MeatSpin
meh sheets arent important, just grab myself a few blankets to use as a pillow, get a comforter and pass out.
>> Anonymous
>>125510

Not that im a pro-gun idiot, but since when have rifles like this been used in a school massacre?

In Australia, we've banned automatic and semiautomatic rifles, put strict controls on semi-auto handguns, and only allow high power rifles (above a certain calibre i think) for people who have a legitimate use for them, like farmers.

I bet if the rightwing american south pulled its head out of its ass and legislated similar gun controls, there would be FAR fewer massacres. There seems to be one every fucking year.

All it took for the Australian government to take measures like this was a SINGLE incident involving a madman and a lot of automatic weapons.

Apologies for the rant, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programme.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>125521
Would it not make more sense.to invest money in measures to prevent or limit the social climate that produces such reactions in the first place?
>> Anonymous
You don't need to justify yourselves ...
it's just a stupid comment
>> Anonymous
>>125523

Its easier to disarm the crazy person by legislation than change the mental health care system to not make them crazy anymore.

Suicide accounts for 78% of gun deaths in Australia. Fucking *suicide*, and nearly all of these deaths are from lawfully obtained guns.
Its far easier to save a life by taking away their gun than trying to cure them.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>125527
But are those lives worth saving?
>> Anonymous
>>125529

From the group of people who want to ban abortion because its taking away a life, thats an incredibly stupid comment.
>> Doppelganger !.97.to9elc
>>125530
Maybe I want both.
>> classicAnime !!VA0YX3r+Rpb
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>>125521and guess who also legislates the living fuck out of their country? Great Britain. Let's see here.... ever since the semi-complete banning if private firearms in GB, the violent crime rate has skyrocketed! zOMG! Now look at a place like... Switzerland, where nearly every household has a firearm... wtf? LOWER CRIME RATES!!!111

Pull your head out of your ass - gun control laws do not help any populace, they help the government do whatever the fuck they want, since they know their citizens are unable to defend themselves. Of course, if you are actually stupid enough to believe that your government is really out to help you, become an hero, etc...

If you bleeding heart liberal scum bags actually looked at factual, real world statistics you might realize that the harsher gun control laws become, the higher the crime rate also increases. Not rocket science.

Bleh, politics on my internet?
>> Anonymous
>>125543

If you'd read the previous posts, you'd see that more than 3/4ths of Australian gun deaths have NOTHING to do with crime, so stop pulling crime rates out as your defence, it doesnt hold water.

Too many people are being killed by guns ACCIDENTALLY, too many people are killing THEMSELVES with guns.
We cant stop criminals getting their hands on illegal weapons, but these issues are something we CAN solve, and at the same time save lives.
>> classicAnime !!VA0YX3r+Rpb
>>125544Where in my post did I say Australia? I think I was specifically mentioning a couple of European Countries.

And actually, only 5% of suicides in Australia are performed with a gun (see topic in /k/). Stop confusing people with your twisted number games and admit that you are just using "those poor victims" as a scapegoat to push your agenda of banning all private, LEGAL gun ownership.

Additionally, 85% of all firearms used in criminal activity (in australia) were unregistered - read ILLEGALLY OBTAINED. Instead of going after those citizens that actually jump through all the pathetic, idiotic government regulation hoops to legally own a gun, why not get your police force off their lazy asses and go for the criminals? Oh, I'm sorry, that would actually be TIME CONSUMING and DIFFICULT and cost MONEY. You'd much rather go for the easy prey - the legal gun owning citizens.

gtfo, and please become an hero asap

(sorry, don't have another HR gun image handy)
>> Anonymous
>>125543
>>If you bleeding heart liberal scum bags actually looked at factual, real world statistics you might realize that the harsher gun control laws become, the higher the crime rate also increases.

Those statistics are compiled by the National Center for Policy Analysis, a "not for profit" organization who advocates "alternatives to Government regulation."
It should also be noted that their research is privately funded by various organizations, who I bet would be very interested in promoting the negative aspects of gun control, like the NRA.
In addition, the NCPA are part of a larger organization who are trying to debunk the theories of global warming.
They're corporate shills, and their "research" doesnt mean shit.

I'd rather trust the Australian Bureau of Statistics, a government department that gathers its information directly from Census information.
>> classicAnime !!VA0YX3r+Rpb
>>125544and if you can't stop criminals from getting their hands on guns, then at least allow your citizens to have a means of defense - private gun ownership. Look at ANY state/country in the world that allows wide spread private gun ownership, and you will see very low violent crime rates. The cops will never be able to get to you in time if you have a crazed criminal in your living room threatening the lives of your family - so I like the security of six buckshot rounds in the fucker's face. Better he dies than my family.

Your "guns are used to commit suicide lolz" argument holds no water. If the crazy man down the street can't get a gun, he'll use a knife, or a car, or drugs, or jump off a fucking bridge, or any other means of killing himself - guns just make it a little bit easier for him. Therefore, your argument against private gun ownership in cases of suicide prevention is null and void.

OP - nice gun, they shoot really nice once you clean them up :)
>> classicAnime !!VA0YX3r+Rpb
>>125546global warming actually is a farce, the earth is cooling - that's right, cooling. Look it up.

And you'd rather trust a government agency that is pushing the government agenda, a government that is known to be very strongly opposed to private gun ownership? Yeah, I'd trust their statistics just about as much as I'd trust statistics pulled from some bum sitting on a street corner.

I will readily admit that any group or agency that produces statistics is going to be slightly biased one way or another. However, I will more readily put more belief into statistics produced by a group that accepts funding from both sides of an issue, as opposed to one run completely by a government that is hostile to all gun ownership.
>> Anonymous
>>125547
>>Your "guns are used to commit suicide lolz" argument holds no water

O rly?

Suicide by firearm is the most popular method in every country where firearms are legally available (including the US, with 55% of all suicides by a gun), not only that, suicide by firearm has the highest success rate of any method by FAR.

If a suicidal person is unable to obtain a firearm, their options are the far less attractive and painful methods (wrists, pills, hanging, etc), which are far easier to talk themselves down from.
It is NOT "just a little bit easier" to use a gun, not by a long shot.
>> Anonymous
>>125548
>>I will more readily put more belief into statistics produced by a group that accepts funding from both sides of an issue, as opposed to one run completely by a government that is hostile to all gun ownership.

I dont think you quite understand the function of the australian bureau of statistics.
They gather their data directly from census information, all of which is publicly available, and forms reports based upon that information. They have no agenda other than to report the facts about the nation, they receive zero funding from businesses or lobby groups.

This group you call "unbiased" pulls their data from their asses, gets ALL of their funding from big business and lobby groups, and has a history of strong right wing bias.

Gosh, why wouldnt they be less unbiased than a government department that specializes in statistics?
>> classicAnime !!VA0YX3r+Rpb
>>125549yet they are still able to kill themselves in a variety of ways. Your fixation on this single example of suicide-by-firearm is the only real excuse you can come up with to justify your agenda of banning all private gun ownership. Weak, and fail.

I'm done here, you are obviously unwilling to admit the fact that you are wrong in many ways. I'm done fagging up /hr/ with politics.

OP - enjoy your gun, and thanks for posting. I'm sure the pics would be appreciated in /k/ as well.
>> Anonymous
>>125552
>>justify your agenda of banning all private gun ownership

Ahh, there it is, the single-minded straw-man argument the pro-gun people try to pin on us every single time.

Never have i ever heard it suggested that ALL weapons are banned, dont be ridiculous even suggesting that.

I dont have a problem with the OP weapon, as it can be used for a real useful purpose, it'd make a nice hunting rifle (which as far as im aware, is legal in most US states).

I stated before that 78% of gun deaths in my country are from suicide, NOT crime.
The majority of these deaths are from legally owned handguns.
This is something we can fix.
>> Anonymous
>>125554
So if you have a country with suicidal people, you simply disarm them? They're still suicidal, eventually they well work up the gall to find another method. As with most gun legislation this argument attacks the tools of the action, not the cause of the action.
>> Anonymous
>>125554
That's because gun bans are a slippery slope, as seen in countries such as Great Britain. Once some guns are banned, and the populace accepts it, further bans will be easier to stomach.

Similar to gas prices in the US over the past few years. Many people predicted the $2 mark would be a great turning point, there would be boycotts, no one would pay that much for gas. But after it passed the mark and quickly rose to $3, people complained, but began to accept that we'll never see gas under $2 now. It's the same form of acceptance. You don't like it, but after the initial shock that it happened, further violations are almost expected.
>> MeatSpin
the only type of guns that i find useful to ban is automatics, but even id love to have my hands on some. but there are some laws that just make no sense, and only seems to hinder people who just wanna go out and shoot their rifles, here in LA county, i cannot legally buy ammo from online, this is in 3 countys in california, i can use my friends house like 30 min away in a diff county and its perfectly legal, its not illegal ammo nor an illegal gun, but is only way i can easily get surplus ammo for my nagant, i dont wanna spend $20 for 20 rounds when i can spend $70 for 440 rounds, get a few friends to split the cost, and go out shooting.
>> Anonymous
>>125554
Problem: People are committing suicide by shooting themselves.
Solution: ...Remove the gun?

All it'll do is create more jumpers and wrist-cutters.
>> Anonymous
>>125571
Still, that argument is flawed. I agree that no one really 'needs' a full auto, but the basis of these laws does fly in the face of the constitution. There is no clause saying 'except guns the legislature deems have no sporting purpose' or 'look too evil'. Full autos are still available in the country, but only two types of private citizens own them now. Collectors who shell out $10k-$50k for one gun, or criminals with connections in illegal arms traffic. Once you've been convinced it's acceptable to outlaw one type of gun, it's easier to accept another type. Machine guns? Banned. Grenade/rocket launchers? Banned. Shotgun barrels under 18" and rifle barrels under 16"? Banned. But 'pistols' that have ultra-short barrels and fire rifle ammo is fine. So long as you don't put that extra-evil feature on them. A stock. All of these laws seem rather useless when you realize that you can simply pay the Department of the Treasury $200 to ignore the law in your case and let you possess one of these items legally. A deterrent to ownership, and additional government revenue, a win-win situation. Most of the weapons laws aren't very well thought out, rather they are knee-jerk reactions in an attempt to band-aid visible crime.
>> Anonymous
Less guns mean less suicides, look at Japan...

OH WAIT!!

http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/

Suicide Rates (per 100,000).
Japan - 50.7
USA - 21.7
>> Anonymous
I love how every time guns are mentioned on the internet it devolves into some sort of retarded gun control argument. Someone could make a thread about pictures of dead holocaust victims and it would receive less debate.
>> Anonymous
>>125585

Except in the number of suicidally stupid/crazy/just plain suicidal gun-toting killing spree (wannabes) are killed by law enforcement are not counted in the suicide rates. Pretty safe bet that the number is WAY higher in the U.S.
>> Anonymous
>>125602

That would require thousands of suicidal killing sprees, which I'm pretty sure aren't happening.

Anyway, let people who want to kill themselves do it with a gun. It's more likely to do the job, and it keeps them from injuring others when they throw themselves off of a building. Quit trying to save people from themselves, fucker.
>> Anonymous
>>125602

Totally different Anonymous from anyone else in this thread.

>>125610

If you count up all the gang-related incidents and such that law enforcement inflicted death toll counts up towards, its totally plausible.
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i got a couple of M44's and a M39 from finland
>> Anonymous
Dan Day has put out several pages of data correlating GRI (legal availability of guns) with lower crime rates for the 50 US states. But where would the various European countries fit if included? They all have 0 GRI, but how do their crime rates compare to US states? My impression is comparable property crime but lower homicide. Is that accurate? I hear of blatant purse snatching in most major European cities, but fewer murders-and especially many fewer deaths by guns. We have all seen the figures showing a typical year with around 10,000 gun deaths in the USA vs 10-50 in almost any other industrialized country in the world. Even correcting for the larger population, the US is much higher. Murder rates are reported to be much lower Europe and Japan than in the US. (of course, in a country of very clever killers, the "murder rate" would be LOW; the "unfortunate accident" rate HIGH)

There are two ways to look at guns, and two different kinds of society that result. If no one else has a gun, there is no need for ME to have one either. But if many others have guns, and especially criminals, then I need one for protection. These two views correspond to the European and American thinking.
>> Anonymous
Three scenarios:
Japan - Harsh gun control laws, low crime rate.
Sweden - Very relaxed gun laws (more lax than the US's?), low crime rate.
U.S. - Relaxed gun laws, high crime rate.

The problem isn't so much availability of guns, as much as societal and economic conditions.
>> Anonymous
>>125657

You forgot
UK - Extremely strict gun laws, absurdly high crime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/01/ncrime01.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/1
2/01/ixhome.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm

In addition gun laws in the US have been getting loser for 20 years and violent crime has been going down for the same amount of time. Murders are down 43% from 1990, while Europes crime problem is exploding.