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>> Anonymous
lulz
>> Anonymous
>>133579
My parents never actually told me that santa claus and the easter bunny were real.
>> Anonymous
>>133682
You were lucky...
I remember the day little Billy came running into our 3rd grade classroom, crying his eyes out and screaming that Santa wasn't real. We all got sent home, and a few of the kids never came back to school again.
>> Survivor
Believing you're going to rot in the ground for all eternity without making any real significant impact on the world must be really great, huh?

Fucking fail, for fucking failing.
>> Anonymous
>>133823
eternal damnation and suffering is better?
>> Anonymous
Comparing Jesus to santa claus and the easter bunny, is fucking retarded. No adult seriously believes in the easter bunny or santa claus, millions of people seriously belive in jesus, and there is evidence to suggest he existed. Saying they are all "fake" is like saying that evolution and "intellignet deisgn" are both science.
>> Anonymous
lol fallacies

Telling your child that the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus is real in the first place is one of the biggest "fuck you"s a parent can ever give.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>133823
Without making a significant impact on the world?
Also lulz for believing in something and thinking that has an impact on how things are.
>> Anonymous
>>133827
Yes.
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>> Anonymous
the question isn't whether jesus existed (probable) but whether he was the son of a higher being (highly improbable)
>> Anonymous
Did anyone see that one TV show (forgot the name), where they re-created all the 'miracles' written in the bible using just cheap tricks and still managed to fool loads of people?
>> Anonymous
>>133823
The fact that a belief makes you feel good doesn't make it true. If life was all about doing what gives you pleasure and avoiding what gives you pain, then why ever be sober? Why ever think about the truth? Why ever do anything worthwhile at all? It is the religious theist that believes that life on Earth is insignificant, after all. You only bow down to the pleasures of Heaven and the pains of Hell.

The fact is that the Bible cannot be literally true. You don't need to look any further than the two versions of Genesis to prove that to yourself. The fact is that you cannot be certain anything within it is true, and yet you reject an opportunity to civilly discuss why you believe it in favor of retaining your comfort in judging others.

Maybe I read a little too much into the Bible, but I thought it was a little strange that God isn't quite as good of a writer as Shakespeare.
>> Anonymous
>>133579
Remember, atheism requires the believer to have faith in what he and his fellow atheists hold true.
Even when it collides with the historical record.
>> Shooter McCray !!OAKZ5jpAOoQ
>>133950

Unoriginal.

Grow up, all of you.
>> Anonymous
gay thread is gay
>> Anonymous
I don't see the need for this. If bashing religion makes you feel smart and among the elites. then your an idiot. oh and BTW Jesus is real. Read up before coming onto the net and making a fool of your self.
>> A Good Samaritan
Question:

Why The Bloody Fuck do Athiests CONSTANTLY Post Anti-Religious Crap?

It seems as though they're trying to Convince themselves that it's true. One never sees People Posting Pro-Religous images on here, or trolling about Irreducible Complpexity. There's no Moslem Cyber-Extremist actively Posting Arguments against Christianity or Judaism. There are no Nihilists posting Blank Grey images (joke). No Agnostics Questioning Religions, nothing.

There are just Atheists Trying to make
themselves feel important by Insulting a concept that the Obviously Don't understand.
There's Really no reason to post Anti-Religous shit on these Boards...

For the Believers among us, The act of Converting one is highly regarded, and could yield positive results in the Afterlife, but, Athiests have no reason to do so except for starting arguments that they use underhanded strategies (like false assumptions, misquoting, and using the "You can't prove it" cop-out) to try to win. They're not going to be rewarded for trying to convert people; they're just going to die, and rot in the ground.

Here's a thought:
Quit Wasting your time: Believe in something.
Allow me to Explain:

Suppose that Christianity is Real.
Christians Go to Heaven for Eternity, Have Fun, etc.;
Atheists get to spend eternity in a very warm 26-story apartment.

If No religion is real, however,

Atheists rot in the ground after accomplishing nothing;
Christians rot in the gound after accomplishing nothing.

Religion-1 Atheists-0

If nothing else, believe just in case. xD
>> Anonymous
>>134149

I've always wondered why almost no one points out that last part. I'm surprised more atheists don't just pretend to be religious, so that they'll at least get the social benefits in life.
>> Anonymous
As a Buddhist, I always found these 'religion vs atheisim" debates goddamned hilarious.

Just sayin'
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134169

That isn't really suprising, seeing how most of them are basically Atheism vs. Christianity.
>> Anonymous
>>134172
Which is mostly due to the rather sordid affair of social prejudice against atheists in the US. While it has lessened dramatically, it still simmers.
>> Anonymous
>>134149

Fails for Pascal's wager.
>> Anonymous
>>134149
Yeah, I'm an atheist, and I can tell you, most atheists are really just anti-religous bigots. They love nothing more than to sue a school or a job because someone puts up a "merry christmas" sign, or has the 10 commandments up. Hell, I almost like pople trying to "push" their religion on me. One time these jehova's witnesses came to my house and gave me this hilarious pamphlet, about how god loves us all, and we are all brothers and other feel good lovey-dovey crap, than the next page is all GOD IS COMING TO KILL YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY, complete with fire and brimstone raining down from the heavens killing all th little cartoon people previously living in peace and harmony with each other. Made me lol hard.
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134209
I got it from C.S. Lewis.
"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, is of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important."

>>134199
What kind of Predjudice? Explain please.

I think we need to have a separation of church(or lack thereof) and 4chan.
..That OR make a /jihad/.
>> Kiko
2nd on the /jihad/ thingy =)

Someone pointed out that the argument is usually about Christianity vs. Atheism. For a very good reason, Christians (at least where I live) are very aggressive about their religion. I understand why people would believe in something higher than themselves, but I can't understand why someone would take the whole bible book seriously after it's been confirmed to be written by humans about 300 after the events took place (didn't the bible say that those guys following jesus around did that?)... And it's been censored by a certain Roman Caesar. Its proven that everything about the religion of Christianity is fake and made up to control the vast masses of roman empire. I even saw a TV show where small kids were told not to trust science, but god. And that evolution theory is all wrong. Christianity is fucking evil.

If you want to believe in God then believe in god, not the bible or any versions of it. The true faith should be something that cant be proven or delegated, yet bible still tries to do all that.
>> Anonymous
>>134234
Hold on here, you're talking about fundamentalists, not the majority of Christians. Ever religion has then, and everyone except them hates their guts.

>>134223
I lack time to go into detail, but at the time separateion of church and state and to a lrger extent atheism in general became a large issue in the US, atheists were looked upon by a vast majority as untrustworthy, immoral and generally Bad People(tm). Depending on where you go, some places stil hold very active biases against atheists. There was a stunning documentary about one of the leaders of the atheist movement in America, but I've forgotten her name and the name of the documentary.

I will also add though that the bigotry and arrogance swings both ways. Sometimes I'm fucking embarrased to say I'm an atheist, and this threads a lovely example of it.
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134234
About the TV Show: That's just weird.
But, each religion has extremists that give the rest of us a bad name.
http://objectiveministries.org/. This is a Prime Example of the Christian Extreme. (Though, by no means a Representative sample of the Christian Population)
=/


As for the Bible, I take it Seriously. I do, however, remain weary of it's history, and I read William Wake's Collection of the Gospels and Epistles that were 'thrown out' at the council of Nicaea, and own an English-Translated copy of Codex Sinaiticus.
I do believe that the Bible is fallible, but It serves as a sort of Guidebook, rather than a Technical Text (There are still a few valid Scientific argments to be found within as well).

The Bible wasn't made to control the Roman Empire. It was meant to teach. The Catholic Church, however, had to construe it into a tool for enslaving people. A corrupt Theocracy is one of the worst things that can happen in the World.
(I personally, find it quite paralleled with the American Government, bending the constitution with this "Patriot Act", and Executive Orders 10990-1100 and what have you, all in the name of "Security")
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134259

I completely Agree, although I noticed no predjudice against Atheists, (Even in my home of Eastern Kentucky, Birthplace of the Rifle-and-Bible-Toting Liberal-Haters) simply a growing annoyance at a few of the Less-Sensible Lawsuits that the Atheists like those found in 134213's post brought up (Claiming that the Pledge of Alliegance was Offensive, Not Allowing Easter Baskets at school, no "Merry Christmas" signs, etc.)

I must say though, that there should never have been any kind of "Movement", Atheist or Otherwise. Religion is a thing best kept in the comfort of ones home (or, if one so chooses, a church), except to defend it (in a Useless and petty argument, like I'm doing right now). There should only be simple, passive belief. (Shiites and Suniis - Perfect Example)
>> A Good Samaritan
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Here's a Colt 1911.
>> Anonymous
I'd just like to ask a question to everybody religious on these boards, not just Christians.

If your religion is the true religion why isn't it universal? Surely a higher power would be able to prove his existence to the whole world and not just parts.

I am not trying to insult you, it is just something that has always interested me.

And yes I am an atheist.
>> http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/ Lambuel
Hello! My name is Lambuel and I hope that we can be friends. I would like to share with you my love for Jesus. Did you know that Jesus loves each and every one of us? It's true! In the Bible, He says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"... Isn't that COOL?!

My OBJECTIVE is JUST 4 KIDZ! The "z" is for "zealousness," 'cause Jesus wants us to be hot for Him, not lukewarm. I read in the Bible that He said: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent"... Let's do that!

Have fun, and remember: JESUS & I LOVE YOU!
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134265
Well, here are my views on the subject:

If people have no Faith in God, they will, according to monotheist belief, Spend Eternity in a Very Bad Place.
If people have faith, but don't care enough do anything, then they are going to share the same fate.
However, if one believes with Conviction that God is the one true Deity, and, If their faith is strong enough to motivate them to do Morally good works while upon this Earth, they will go to Paradise.

To have a Definite Proof of the Existance of God, would mean that ANYBODY can know that God Exists, but none of them will be able to have Belief beyond their Knowledge. This renders all possibility of Faith and Paradise for mankind nonexistant, and, defeats the purpose, I believe, for placing humans on the Earth.
(for a more detailed/better thought-out explanation of this, try to dig up a thread in /wg/ that started with somebody posting a desktop of some Epicurus Quote.)
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134267
For the Love of God, It's a parody Site. (although it's not too far from people I've seen)

BUT, Just for the record:

REMEMBER that Lambuel has accept Jesus christ as his Lord and Saviour, whereas "Lambchops" is a Non-Messianic Jew!

I should've had better judgement than to post that URL. (hindsight's 20/20)
>> Anonymous
I'm an athiest, and until now, I've never had anything against anybody who has different beliefs than I do.
I believe, that you live, you die, and then when you're dead... that's it. Nothing, lights out, game over, etc...
However, after reading what the christians in this thread have said. I just really don't like them anymore, I never knew that they believed people like me, who find it completely illogical to believe in an existence such as God, would burn in Hell or whatever.
Now that I know that that's what they believe, next time a Jehovah's Witness comes to my door passing me pamphlets and talking about God, instead of being nice and actually listening to what they have to say ...I'm just going to tell them where they can shove their religion, and their damned pamphlets.
>> Anonymous
The simple argument holds: a loving god omnipresent god would not allow a hell to exist.

So, you either except that god is not all powerful, or not all loving.

And if you would like to care to make an argument either way, I'm sure my invisible dragon named Fred will love to hear it.
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134315
As I mentioned in a thread elsewhere (a guy called "Dark Link" may recall this, if he can be bothered to view this useless attempt at an argument),
An Omni-Benevolent God (Being Everywhere at once has nothing to do with the issue) would definitely allow a Hell to Exist, as well as all Evil upon the Earth, because (in during "Bible said It, I believe It") Evil exists to offer a challenge to Mankind. Think of God as a Teacher, if you will. Offering Punishment to those that deserve it, but assigning homework to everyone. Those who pass this Metaphorical Class, earn an Eternal Reward known as "Heaven", and those that fail get "Detention".

In Other words,

God = Gardener.
Good People = Grass.
Bad People = Weeds.
Evil = Weed B Gone.

Enough Said.


By the way, Tell your Invisible Dragon that when he creates a book about him, and it is the basis for what becomes such a widely-believed religion that Militant Atheists like yourself take it upon themselves to demean others for a sense of pride, That I'll be perfectly content to listen to his views on the Subject.

>>134287
What, in this thread, made you hate us Christians?
I, for one, have done nothing but try to clarify certain questions that have been asked, and Defend my beliefs by responding to a needles troll.

I, Personally, would like to know what made you think that any religion would reward Non-Believers?

I'm Not Yelling "Hell n Brimstone" to you. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid(unless it's working. :P)
>> Anonymous
>>134318

I'm agnostic, actually. And a book about Fred would not substantiate his existence. There are books about fairy's, nymphs, and one great one about how all of earth is actually the back of a dead ox. Doesn't change the fact that the burden of proof is placed upon those who make outlandish claims.

And I'm pretty sure that Fred's book wouldn't be the cause of hundreds of millions of deaths and atrocities continuing on in to the modern era. I'm thinking Fred's book would be something good to read to children.

And I'm familiar with the idea of the teacher. And although my metaphor was a gross simplification of my argument, it stands. A god that loves all of his creations, truly loves, could not would not submit them to eternal suffering. Nothing is taught by eternal damnation.
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134320
I agree, nothing is taught by Eternal Damnation.

Hell is Instrumental to the Clockwork of Humanity.
Although God DOES Love all Humans, He gave us Free Will, and Thus he gave us a means with which to learn of our wrongdoings and be forgiven, before it is too late.

I, personally, believe that, since God Created Man in his own image, he wanted us to earn the right to our divine beginning as such. God allowed the Fallen Lucifer to exist, as to offer a way to "weed-out" (as I have metaphorized before) mankind.
Without Hell/Evil, there is no means by which to stray those of us that would fall short of Glory.

...and I never said that a book would substantiate Fred's existence, merely that, if he did have a book equal in Magnitude to that of The Holy Bible, I would kindly hear his opinions .
>> Anonymous
>>134322

See, the issue with this argument is Pharaoh. Should god exist as a teacher, and each us our free will a test, then Exodus 14:4 shouldn't have happened. If god can sway judgment in this life, what grounds does he have to hold us responsible eternally for our actions in it?

See, it's ever so much easier to say "I cannot prove the existence of gods, let alone a single god. So rather then choose, I will accept the responsibility of my actions and simply lead the best life that I can." I cannot understand why a loving god would call shellfish and abomination, Leviticus 11:9-12. I also cannot understand why the only sin that cannot be forgiven is doubting his existence, Mark 3:29, when he invites doubt as a test.

If I'm reborn as a slug, oh well. If I'm cast into hell, that sucks. If I'm tossed into limbo or purgatory with all the unbaptized babies... well, at least I like kids.

And Fred... Fred doesn't say much.
>> Anonymous
>>134318
Not hate christians, just dislike them
...and I already explained the reason.
The fact that they believe, that people like me will burn in hell.
I also don't expect that any religion would reward non-believers, but I did think that maybe there would be religions that understood that different people will obviouly believe different things, and respect that. As opposed to, "Believe in my God, or you'll be eternally damned." ...that's just plain wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>134329
Actually, disregard everything I've said.
I just noticed that I'm actually being a hypocrite, since I'm saying you should respect that other people have different beliefs, but I'm also saying that what you believe is wrong...
So, yeah, I'll just butt out of the rest of the conversation.
>> A Good Samaritan
>>134328
God Holds us Personally responsible for our own action, because he does not interviene. (Pardon the spelling error, if any.)

He does not, however, DIRECTLY control us. he does not turn us into drones, and control each of our actions.
He DOES, however, posess ways to influence us, but it is our decision to acknowledge it. A type of Bait, if you will.
The Pharoah (again, pardon me for any mispellings) had his heart hardened (for lack of any better words) because he allowed God to influence him.
This, in turn, made the Pharoah change his ways.


(Note that this is also how evil works; No direct power, just subtle influences that easily seduce)

Don't Misinterperet Mark 3:29.
"But whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness"

This is not speaking of Doubting the Lord, but Cursing his Name.

Doubt is Okay, Everybody at one point in their life, thinks "What if I'm Wrong?". Some just choose to continue Believing.

And about the Anti-Shellfish decree in Leviticus (my favorite Book, By the way), It is the code of Laws by which the Jews live (You failed to see/mention Acts 10:9-16, where a voice says unto Peter:
"What God has cleansed you must not call common.". Jews, however, don't believe The New Testament, and thus have disregarded this.

(It should also be noted that Leviticus was comprised In the days Before Christ, and was then the Law for the Pre-Messianic Jews.)
>> Almost On-Topic A Good Samaritan
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>> Anonymous
Actually, a more direct refuting of the shell fish bit is in Mark 7.14-15, the words of Jesus himself.

14. He summoned the crowd again and said to them, "Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15. "Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile."

So drink up, eat up, smoke up with the blessing of Christ. However, this is missing the point of why I mentioned that entirely. My point being is that the bible is overly complex, contains archaic values, (and while you obliviously are above them ) can and is being used by people to do real harm to others. There is no difference between a protester with a "God Hates Fags" sign and a Islamic judge calling down a Fatwa. And so I chose to dissociate myself with both.

And on to Pharaoh... so if god tempted him in this way, wasn't god himself being evil... and then reveling in it because all of Egypt would then know his power?

And if your idea of Mark 3:29 is correct wouldn't anyone who has ever used the term "god dammit" be in eternal hellfire? How is that better?
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Samaritan, your response?