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Golden Compass Anonymous
The book trilogy is fucking awesome as will this movie be.

I love how all the religious nutjobs have found something new to hate now that all the Harry Potter books are out. Keep on going shouting about how people shouldn't see this, you're just going to make more people go see it.

Anymore HR?
>> Anonymous
Amazingly enough the reverse works as well. Keep running your mouth off and make it seem like the only reason to watch the movie is to "stick it to the church". See how many people bother.
>> Anonymous
I wasn't planning on seeing it. Now with the controversy I am. Simple enough on a single person scale.
>> Anonymous
The books are awesome until the last 2 chapters, when <cruise control> THE WHOLE FUCKING SERIES IS RUINED BY SHITTY ENDING THAT IS SHITTY! </cruise control>
>> Anonymous
>>250554
That is how it should have ended.
>> Anonymous
Ending is definitely cosmically shitty, but the trilogy is ruined long before that, by the mega-crappy last two books. If he'd have stopped with the first book, it would have been okay.
>> Anonymous
I heard that the movies would actually take out a lot of the shit relating to God.

...Which is pretty much half the entire story.

Also, Iorek looks nothing like how the book describes him, and ditto for most other characters.

Fuck the movies.
>> Anonymous
Books 2 & 3 weren't as good as one, but they weren't shitty.

I'm having reservations about the removal of the God related material though. Fucking Xtians.
>> Anonymous
the books would make no sense without the anti-religion story. Nothing would have any purpose without the overwhelming conflict of the church and the rebels.
>> Anonymous
>>250210
The ENTIRE point of the "His Dark Materials" Trilogy is Phillip Pullman attempting to create a series of books that do for atheists what the "Chronicles of Narnia" do for Christians.
The "dust" is an obvious reference to the "dust" traditionally referred to by Daoist poetry, and Magisterium's fear of it is representative of Christianity's (particularly Catholocism's) inability to accept new ideas and traditions and condemn them as hedonistic. This is reinforced by Dr. Mary Malones dissavowing of the Church and her interest in Daoist divination.
The title of the trilogy itself, especially the title of the first book, "The Golden Compass" is a direct referrence to God's creation of the universe in John Milton's epic poem "Paradise Lost," which, though entirely Christian is unique as it presents a number or revolutionary views including a more sympathetic portrayal of Satan and a more sympathetic portrait of Eve as a loyal partner. This is openly stated by Pullman in any number or memoirs.
The "Shitty" ending that you guys are wining about is necessary as it brings the books events (and books' purpose full circle) by creating a new Adam and Eve for the new world and the new order that now exists without the unnatural control of god.
The "shitty" other books are entirely necessary as they not only express a unique view of evolution, but bring about the war with God and the Metatron which mirrors Satans rebellion in Milton's poem.

1) The entire trilogy is a masterpiece
2) The movies cannot exist without the God stuff
3) The Christians have every right to be upset by the content, but they need to learn to keep their sourness to themselves . . . I didn't raise hell over Narnia after all.

PS. Lee Scoresby FTW.
>> Anonymous
>>251086
A+
>> Anonymous
I think the author was way too determined to convince his readers of his views that he didn't pay enough attention to character development and plot, which were terrible IMO. The world and some of the concepts were pretty interesting but otherwise I had a hard time sympathizing with any of the characters and enjoying the story.

Sorry, shit books were shitty books.
>> Anonymous
>>250210
The only real flaw in character developement that I found was a lack of justification for Asriel's hatred of god. I believe that being of the same opinion of the character, Pullman just expected reader's to understand his motivation, which is large was a mistake.
However, I believe crying poor character development as a whole would be folly. Lyra, Will, Iorek, Marissa, Mary Malone, Lee Scoresby, Serafina Pekala . . . all were very well established characters with ample backstory and believable motivations.
Being unable to sympathize with a character doesn't denote a lack of character developement, is just means that you were unable to relate.
>> Anonymous
I'd like to know what contemporary fiction you consider good.
>> Anonymous
I was intrigued by the trailers for the upcoming movie and wanted to find out more. The first book was delightful, page turning thrill but began to fizzel towards the end. I don't mind the flights of fancy but to try to complicate the perspective of the reader is disorientating - as when he trys to explain the power hungry, drug like relationship between Lyra's parents and the relationship between Roger and Lyra with the scene at the end of book one.
It is as if someone else began writing were the first author left off. I am now wondering why I am bothering to try to finish the third book. Nihilistic is an understatement. I am shocked how he can be so incredibly inspired in the begining and become so shallow as the books progress. The characters he brings to life with such pure brilliance seems to die as the light and life are drained from them. He seems to be trying to corrupt everything, turning good to evil and evil to good; hope to despair.
I just can't buy it because it is not true. I would rather read Tolkien or C.S. Lewis, or even J. K. Rowling...at least the authors and the characters remain true to themselves and to the reader. It is as if the author has a very narrow minded personal agenda against organized religion and very little conscious understanding of the nature of the human heart and soul. Very disappointing.
>> Anonymous
I was also disappointed by the forced "resolutions" of the last book. I couldn't believe that a power-hungry, ruthless character like Mrs. Coulter could have such a radical change of heart merely from the experience of caring for Lyra, when she was kept unconscious by drugs no less!

If Metatron was such a powerful angel that he'd been the Authority's second-in-command for centuries, he was awfully easy to defeat (I guess we've got to accept the Mrs. Coulter was irresistable to any male she set her sights on.)

And the fact that Dust's departure from the mulefa's world could be halted by Will and Lyra's lovemaking???? Oh please!!! And how did the gyptian's ship get to the mulefa's world in the first place and then get back to Citigazze? If they went through the passage between worlds opened at the end of The Golden Compass, it would have been nice to clarify that. An author who sets up his/her own world or universe should at least follow the rules that are set out for that world.

I was particularly disappointed because Pullman brought up some pretty interesting themes and ideas, but the way he solved the dilemmas and situations he created seemed inconsistent with both the characters he outlined and the "physics" of his universe.
>> Anonymous
>>251120
I don't think I'd like to know what other contemporary fiction you consider good if you liked this shit series.
>> Anonymous
Excellent points.
But seriously. All sarcasm aside, I'd like to know what contemporary fiction you think is good.