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Norman Rockwell Anonymous
ITT : Rockwell artwork
>> Anonymous
he fucking sucks. Ideological fiction.
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>>440077
youre an idiot :(
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>>440125
no, i can differentiate between art and fluff, Rockwell is the latter.
>> Anonymous
Rockwell is technically AMAZING but>>440077is right.
>> 2D@photoshops.com
All Art is Fiction.

Propaganda-Art is still Art.

Post more Rockwell.
>> Anonymous
If anyone has a hr of "a fair catch". that is hot shit.
It's the one with the mermaid.
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Norman Rockwell - Mine America's Coal, 1944.
>> Anonymous
Anyone have OP's pic without the heavy pixelation
>> Anonymous
>>440155
yeah, i agree. that's the only reason for which i meant to call him an idiot. 'spose i shoulda said so.
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Whats wrong with ideological fiction? I think it's good. he was very creative and some are funny. He had a unique style, which is hard to do. I think that making happy fiction is just as good as making sad fiction, if not better.

And dammit, he was a good American.
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>> Anonymous
Does anyone got his triple portrait painting ?
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>>440725
This one?
>> Anonymous
Thank you very much for all this stuff :)
>> Anonymous
Amazing, thanks!
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Rockwell B1-B bomber
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bump
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COCKWELL
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Rockwell - Thanksgiving mother & son peeling potatoes
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Freedom from Fear
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Freedom Lunch i think
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>> Anonymous
fluff eh my basment looks like ops pic lol REEAAAALITY I SAY
>> Anonymous
Fluff? It's the opposite! It's real meaty substance.

Look at the values he's communicating.
The sort of values USA stood proudly for, and the rest of the world admired. Honesty, integrity, simple noble values, the dignity of the common man.

What does the USSA stand for now? Porn, greed, violence and glitz?
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>>441423

Farm Security Administration: 1
Rockwell: 0
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"What does the USSA stand for now? Porn, greed, violence and glitz?"

Greed? Always, it's the curse of the Right
Porn? uh...........those wimmens are mostly Russkies dude
Glitz? Eurofags have been buying Hollywood glitz since talkies began.

I'm not blind patriot type and we're at a new nadir of FAIL but blame the right causes, not the symptoms.
>> Anonymous
Not a bad artist, as propaganda goes. That's the thing about those "values" hes's supposedly communicating, they're fake values. America was never like this, just like the USSR was never a workers paradise and in China the sun didn't have the face of Mao on it. Ideological fiction is an accurate label. Rubbish from the fifties is more fitting I think. Just look at this
>>440699
and tell me the man wasn't a retrograde, a reactionary in his own time. If you ask me that Pollock-esque painting is more art than any of those applepie shits.
>> Anonymous
I have the dubious distinction of having experienced the 50's, Ike, learning Santa was a lie and the Saturday Evening Post was a template for America.

It was simple propaganda I could see through by age 12.
>> Anonymous
Rockwell is AMAZING. Art is not always about portraying the worst in humanity.
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suck my oompa loompa

Oompa Loompas:
Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadah dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

What do you get from a glut of TV?
A pain in the neck and an IQ of three
Why don't you try simply reading a book?
Or could you just not bear to look?

You'll get no
You'll get no
You'll get no
You'll get no
You'll get no commercials

Oompa Loompa Doompadee Dah
If you're not greedy you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa
Oompa Loompa doompadee do
>> Anonymous
believe it or not at one time America did have values and and morals like portrayed in the Rockwell paintings. It wasn't until after WW2 and Korean war did Americans start to slow turn away from such things. It wasn't until Vietnam war did the young start to turn away from such things. And now today hardly anyone acts like they have any of those values anymore. If you go to the small towns you can still see things like those paintings to some extent. If we would stop wanting the next and latest gadgets or start thinking as a whole instead of individuals more often then this great country could get back on track.
>> Anonymous
it's a cultural gap between the small supportive group (villages, small towns, farming communities and Grange) and the "nobody knows their neighbors" culture of today. I think it's sociopathic.
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>>442222
i must have missed the rockwell that had people hanging niggers from trees. values.
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crackers skipped the nice nostalgic stuff. It doesn't "take a village" of rednecks drunk on Billy Beer.
>> Anonymous
>>442224

Small town values never border on hysteria. I think it's perfectly fine not to know one's neighbours, be you rural, suburban, or city-dweller (I fall into the first category; my neighbours are basically strangers to me).

>believe it or not at one time America did have values and and morals like portrayed in the Rockwell paintings. It wasn't until after WW2 and Korean war did Americans start to slow turn away from such things.

Most of Rockwell's stuff was geared to the post-war boom though (or the prospects of it). Outwardly or materially, it no doubt resembled reality, but the tenor of his work is a myopic swindle. I do like this though:

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I'm glad to see some people realize Rockwell merely made propoganda. There is no soul in it, he was a skilled artist but wasted his potential. His art became less important with every image, reduntant and stagnant.

His america is fictional.

Here try some real art.
Francis Bacon.
>> Anonymous
>>441816
He's depicting values the USA once stood for and upheld, he's creating the image of a USA that possessed values it never did. The perceived fall in moral rigour is merely a result of the education of the US and the World, and the rise of mass communication.

There is and never was no such thing as small town values, especially now when the majority of the people of the US live in urban environment. People today have never been healthier, lived longer, been more polite, safer and in a very real sense, more educated [though in terms of health, saftey, and education the US does lag behind the curve of other developed nations].

The hysteria and nostalgia for a fabled golden age of America is typical of those cultures no longer possessed of the vision and fortitude to improve upon their own way of life. The man who looks back to a better time, is a coward unable to face the challenges of the future.
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>>442350
Fucking well said man.
>> Anonymous
Something I've wondered about is that folks do not like to think they are not as good as someone else, and since civilizations can and have gone into decline in history, at some points this happens. America has improved in some ways, degraded in others, and yes, it is possible that most of our grandparents generation may have been better individuals than most of the current generations. Rockwell's art/propaganda mainly shows pleasant scenes from America. He may have made them a bit sappy by today's standards, but these sorts of sentimental scenes did happen, and still do today. Just because you haven't seen them or remember them happening doesn't mean they do not.
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>>442331
Classic example of a post-modernist's reaction to Rockwell. Posting Bacon leaves no doubt.
>> Anonymous
Wow, lumping Rockwell in with artists that glorified Napoleon and Hitler. You guys are fucking out there.
>> Anonymous
>>442372

It's also commercial art, and a part of popular culture. Thing is, getting a sentimental rise out of people isn't the same thing as emotional truth. That's the difference between, for instance, Rockwell and the FSA photos. Rockwell for the most part painted eternal (desirable) outcomes that were self-reinforcing; a predictable reaction to the war. The family gathered at their Freedom Lunch don't have any other life to them, except as white, archetypal citizens. Anyone is free to contrast their life with this (or those of others), and that's all that the art will bear before it begins to come apart. Or its true depths are realised.

This is enough for some. There's always uglier propaganda of course.

>>442410

Is it the word "propaganda"? You do realise all our governments once used this word wholeheartedly?
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>>442331
I only enjoy Mature art for Mature individuals such as Myself
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I think even a Post-Modernist would recognize skill in a Fra Angelico or a Redon. The point I think 442331 is trying to make (and that he posts the Study after Velazquez's Portrait of Pope Innocent X – not post-modernist at all by the way! – to prove) is that art pushes the envelope, and tries to convey something that the viewer doesn't know: a technique such as Fra Angelico's finely-rendered geometry in his "The Annunciation" or an idea like Redon's dual view of the self in "The eye, like a strange baloon, turns towards infinity".

Rockwell's paintings document something that everyone knows – the ideal of America, reduced to a lowest common denominator that everyone can sign on to – kill the Germans! Love your parents! Serve your community! It's not a bad thing, but I think that more than just "post-modernists" might have a beef with calling it art.
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>>442508
That's the problem I have your argument. That all art must push the envelope. No. Art done just for the sake of pushing the envelope has produced shock art. It's garbage. It's a line of thought were things are done just for the sake of being different or new, because everyone has seen everything else already, which is a horrible reason to make art.

Not everyone is aware of Rockwell's vision. Lowest common denominator? Please. Do you think inner city kids living in shit know what a Rockwell scene is like? Fuck no. It's not telling people what to do, its showing history. Which is what art does. Its fucking sad that idealism has to be ripped down and smeared as propaganda.
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>>442524
To me, art is some creation that conveys a deep fundamental message. Unfortunately Norman Rockwell paintings do evoke certain feelings; in short they succeed in communicating what they wish to communicate. But Rockwells should ring hollow. The gilded, almost wickedly deceptive depiction of the "ideal american" should make us recoil at how utterly false the painting's message is. Its technical virtuosity, however, acts as a medium for our own personal indoctrination to fill the gap. We feel nostalgic when we view a Rockwell because we feel that we should, because we feel that we've somehow lost something that the Rockwell captures.

Then we remember that what the painting shows us is a lie.
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>>442524

What you say is right to an extent, though you could have better material to forward your argument with.

>It's not telling people what to do, its showing history.

It wasn't history when these were being published in the Post, and I'd hardly call it representative of those decades now; possibly quite repellent to many who lived through that particular time and place. He took day to day existence and moulded it, layer on layer, into an idealised fleshy vision. You seem fully prepared to concede that some art is intellectually and/or emotionally more potent than others. Would you agree that Rockwell never moved on from an already limited vision, but that it looked good on the cover of magazines?
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Chemo time. Edward Hopper.
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New York Movie, 1939
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Room in New York, 1932
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Pennsylvania Coal Town, 1947
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Early Sunday Morning, 1930
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Automat, 1927
>> Anonymous
You know i haven't laughed so hard in along time. I got to say thanks to those who can sit hear and say that Rockwell paints are lies and propaganda. I may be wrong here but i get the feeling that most of you are not even old enough to remember when Gilligan's Island was show new episodes. I am 36 years old and with in my life time i have seen the degradation of American values with each new generation. I remember stories told by my grandparents that pretty much fall right in line with Rockwell paintings. Not to an exact T but the were damn well close. I have seen the last 2 generations behind me get worse and worse when it comes to the simple things such as RESPECT and COMMON FUCKING COURTESY. We have gotten away from the good old family values and moved onto the whats in it for me and fuck everyone else values. So no the Rockwell paints are not lies, they are things seen and experienced at the time of or before the paintings. We simply look at them with our JADED out look on life today and say that "That kinda stuff never happened so its a lie". Try stepping out side the box for once and put your feelings aside and try to think back to some of the stories your grandparents or great grandparents told you. If you haven't heard any ask them to tell you. Oh they need to be around 80 or so to have lived in or around the time portrayed in the paintings. And if you don't have access to someone in the family around that time then go the local mall and ask some mall walkers lol. And you should see that the paintings may not be exact in every way but damn close enough.
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>>443073
I'm 45 and I have NO fucking clue what you're talking about. People have always been in it for themselves.
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>>443073

36? 'Cause Grandpa told you so? Guess what, the old will always be pretty much miserable, and wistful for their day. That's why they vote more than anyone else, and generally make a mess of things.

They're not all bad. Studs Terkel said: "It was in the '60s, there was the civil-rights movement, it flourished, at least for a time, and the rise, resurgence, of feminism; the gays and lesbians coming out as free people. So that's the generation, I think the greatest." ('The Good War'). Again, this is the difference between some people and others who encountered Rockwell's material, and perhaps did live it; some were and are able to see through much of the flakiness that spills out of his art.

So what degradation exactly in your 36 years of life? Remember that figure puts you squarely in the generation X category.
>> Anonymous
Yup generation X we suck i know. I think most peeps in my generation are the ones that jump started the down fall i was talking about. And i never said everything was just hunky doory back then either. If you look at the paintings you see families eating dinner together, people gathered around radios, friends hanging out at the malt shops, or gathered around a returned solder. These are the things i was talking about when i said your grandparents would say things were almost exactly like the Rockwell paintings.
And since this discussion can keep going back and forth. Lets just agree to disagree
>> Anonymous
"Agree to disagree" Translation: Im an ovebearing asshole who would rather push my views before considering them. Im impotent when it comes to arguments and pathetic when it comes to women.
>> Anonymous
>>443119
I can believe that. The more things change the more they stay the same. Besides, as we get older we tend to get nostalgic and idealize our past. The present never seems that great because you're aware of all the little imperfections, worries, problems, etc. As you get further from that point in time you begin to forget all of those petty details and before too long it appears as though all was right with the world.

>>442350Said it best:
"The hysteria and nostalgia for a fabled golden age of America is typical of those cultures no longer possessed of the vision and fortitude to improve upon their own way of life. The man who looks back to a better time, is a coward unable to face the challenges of the future."

The only time really worth dwelling on is the present.
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>>443355
You are clearly a self-loathing individual, I pity you.
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>>443159
Obviously he's too impatient to wait until he's old, he's miserable and wistful now.
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more nostalgia
Diego Rivera
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Thomas Hart Benton

mural in the Truman Library
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