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ancient maps Anonymous
The Piri Reis map, showing an ice-free antarctica including longitude and lattitude information.
A chart technique develloped mid 18th century.
The original map is estimated 4000 BC.
>> Anonymous
awesome! thanks for sharing. do you know what language that is on there?
>> Anonymous
Looks Arabic, but finer print.
>> Anonymous
wait are you suggesting that they had ships that advanced 6,000 years ago, and cannons (maybe I'm wrong but the ship on the top, upside down below the fish appears to be firing cannons) as well. It's a nice picture don't get me wrong but 4000 BC, I find that hard to beleive.
>> Anonymous
>>170953
This chart is signed by Piri Reis, an admiral of the Turkish navy in 1513.
His high rank granted him access to the royal library of Constantinopel. In his notes he explains that he drew this chart using ancient charts he found in the library dating from 400 BC and before.
His chart shows the westcoast of africa, the northern coast of antarctica and the east coast of south america.

Because this map does not fit in our current view of world history it was sent to the USAF for evaluation. Here is the response letter:

" It is not very often that we have the opportunity to evaluate maps of ancient origin. The Piri Reis ( AD 1513 ) and the Oronteus Fineaus [sic] ( AD 1531 ) maps sent to us by you, presented a delightful challenge for it was not readily conceivable that they could be so accurate without being forged. With added enthusiasm we accepted this challenge and have expended many off duty hours evaluating your manuscript and the above maps. I am sure you will be pleased to know that we have concluded that both of these maps were compiled from accurate original source maps, irrespective of dates. The following is a brief summary of our findings:
A. The solution of the portolano projection used by Admiral Piri Reis, developed by your class in Anthropology must be very nearly correct; for when known geographical locations are checked in relationship to the grid computed by Mr. Richard W. Strachan ( MIT ), there, is remarkably close agreement. Piri Reis' use of the Portolano projection ( centred on Syene, Egypt ) is an excellent choice, for it is a developable surface that would permit the relative size and shape of the earth at that ( lattitude ) to be retained. It is our opinion that those who compiled the original map had an excellent knowledge of the continents covered by this map.
>> Anonymous
B. As stated by Colonel Harold Z. Ohlmeyer in his letter ( July 6, 1960 ) to you, the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctica, appears to be truly represented on the southern sector of the Piri Reis Map. The agreement of the Piri Reis map with the seismic profile of this area made by the Norwegian-British -Swedish Expedition of 1949, suported by your solution of the grid, places beyond a reasonable doubt the conclusion that the original source maps must have been made before the present Antarctic ice cap covered Queen Maud Land coasts.
C. It is our opinion that the accuracy of the cartographic features shown in the Oronteus Fineaus [sic] Map ( AD 1530 ) suggests, beyond a doubt, that it also was compiled from accurate source maps of Antarctica, but in this case of the entire continent. Close examination has proved the original source maps must have been compiled at a time when the land mass and inland waterways of the continent were relatively free of ice. This conclusion is further supported by a comparison of the Oronteus Finneaus [sic] Map with the results obtained by International Geophysical Year teams in their measurements of the subglacial topography. The comparison also suggests that the original source maps ( compiled in remote antiquity ) were prepared when Antarctica was presumably free of ice. The Cordiform projection used by Oronteus Fineaus [sic] suggests the use of advanced mathematics. Further, the shape given to the Antarctic continent suggests the possibility, if not the probability, that the original source maps were compiled on a stereographic or gnomonic type of projection ( involving the use of spherical trigonometry ).
>> Anonymous
>>170968
I see, my mistake.
>> Anonymous
D. We are convinced that the findings made by you and your associates are valid, and that they raise extremely important questions affecting geology and ancient history, questions which certainly require further investigation.
We thank you for extending us the opportunity to have participated in the study of these maps. The following officers and airmen vollunteered their time to assist Captain Lorenzo W.Burroughs in this evaluation: Captain Richard E. Covault, CWO Howard D.Minor, MSgt Clifton M.Dover, MSgt DAvid C.Carter, TSgt James H.Hood, SSgt James L.Carroll, and AIC Don R.Vance."
Lorenzo W.Burroughs
Captain, USAF
Chief, Cartographic Section
8th Reconnaissance Technical Sqdn ( SAC )
Westover, Mass.
>> Anonymous
The Piri Reis map is something which is not supposed to exist. I mean that by no means there was supposed to be anyone that far back in time able to draw a map of such precision; in fact the relative longitudinal coordinates are totally accurate.
>> 5557600
>>170953
watch Origins.and.Oracles
>> Anonymous
I'm an athiest, and proud to be too, and if I were to convert right now, it would be a muslim. Why?

Cause half the shit in there is fucking right. In the Quran the word "day" is written 365 times. That's fucked up. They even knew that the planets rotated around the sun before Romans did, which they thought otherwise. You kidding me? These guys knew it all

Thanks for the pic btw anon
>> Anonymous
you got a place i can watch origins and oracles?
>> Anonymous
must be a fake
>> Doppelgänger !.97.to9elc
>>171057
Stranger things have been found. For instance, from the Mahabharata:

"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana (fast aircraft) hurled a single projectile charged with the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

...After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment."

Sound strangely like an aircraft-delivered nuclear weapon, doesn't it?
>> Anonymous
>>170995
They cover women up so you can only see their eyes. Enjoy Islam faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>170995
whut ?
the heliocentrism theory is much older than that and was known long before the romans (at least the greek knew about it as well as the geocentrism one)
The 2 are true btw, it all depends on the referential you take, the sun or the earth (it could be Venus for all it matters), but heliocentrism sure explain things more simply.


>>171059
lol, it could be anything you want, stop speculating on things like that :P
>> Anonymous
>>170995
I thought the 365 day thing was because of the whole Gregorian calendar thing...
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>>171059
There are a lot of unexplained things in history.
For example, what would you make of this artifact?

There is a Dutch book by Erich von Däniken titled "Waren de goden kosmonauten?" 1968 (Were the gods astronauts?). I am not sure if there is an english translation, maybe it is called "Chariots of the Gods?: Unsolved Mysteries of the Past"

In this work Daniken surfaces countless of strange texts and artifacts which makes it plausible a higher civilization existed.

While your at it, he also mentions ancient indian artifacts with high radioactivity caused by fallout.
I suggest to read id, if you believe it or not, it is surely an eyeopener which makes you think about things you never thought of before.
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thanks guys! this has been the most interesting thread i have seen here for a long time!

and on the subject of strange, old documents, i assume most here recognise which document this page is from?
>> Anonymous
woah an interesting thread and one troll attempt so far...
well done /hr!
>> Anonymous
>>171137
I have no Idea, it looks a bit like DNA though...

A lot of artifacts makes it plausible that a higher civilization existed 10.000 BC. It is way too much to give examples, but I suggest you read the book in>>171116
But there is a thing I cant explain. Such a civlization mus have used a lot of natural recourses. And looking at the rate they are depleted now...

For some reason I cant wait till Antarcica melts and we are finally able to see what the piri Reis map describes. Yay for global warming!
>> Anonymous
>>171146
Not in your lifetime, pal.
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OOPArt
Just google oopart, there are so many things unexplained..
>> Anonymous
>>170995
Islam: Had some good knowledge back then, now they seem to be in the dark ages. I wonder where we all will be, when (or if ever) they snap out of it.


>>171074
Vice versa. It is, because our ancestors could count and the seasons come back every (OMG!!!) ~356 days. Nice Number, it's up to you how many months you make, also possible: seasons based on phenology.

Not much "Ooh, they must've been SO intelligent back then!" here.
>> Anonymous
>>171137

i remember reading about that once...its an ancient document whose code hasnt been roken yet, and so we dont know what it means.
>> Anonymous
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Universalis tabula iuxta Ptolemeum, Cologne, 1578. The world map from Mercator's edition of Ptolemy's Geography (Royal Geographical Society 265.G.12)
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>>171164
indeed you are correct. I will give another hint: its probably a very elaborate hoax ^^. Here is another page(s) to keep people guessing.
>> Anonymous
>>171137
Voynich!

And moar, plx.
>> Anonymous
>>171167
everytime I see those kind of stuff, I m starting to search about it and find out they re obviously hoax... :(
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>>171168
i have the whole thing in VERY hi-res - each page is ~3.5mb .sid. totals ~800mb. i would like to share, but not sure how to :D. i can post an archive of the .jpg's though i people like.
>> Anonymous
>>171171
ZOMG TORRENT PLZ!!!

'nuff said.
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>>171173
i don't know how to - can someone please tell me which tracker i should use?
>> Anonymous
>>171151
Ica stones was really interesting to read , just spend the hour reading stuffs about those OOPart.
>> Anonymous
>>171171
>>171173
>>171175
You can download the sid or jpg files from here with a download manager. The page has full details.
http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/voynich/hiq/
>> Anonymous
>>171181
thanks! - i had forgotten where i downloaded them from :S. this saves me the effort of having to torrent them (though i still can if someone suggests a tracker).
>> Anonymous
>>171167

yeah i remember it originating in central/eastern europe i think, and they think it might be a spell/recipe for something.

why might it be a hoax?
>> Anonymous
>>171184
because the guy who brought this book in 1580 - 1600 , did it to have the favor of the emperor.
it's supposed to be an alchemy book revealing the secret of immortality, and the philosophal stone.
it can't be described, the language used is probably invented.
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The Gilgamesh epos, worlds oldest known literature.
Story about a king who seeks eterlan life, but lost it at his fingertips.
Some parts are disturbingly similar to the bible.
>> Anonymous
>>171190
talk about bad handwriting
>> Anonymous
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any more mysterious stuff?
I like how everything is related to Mu, Nazi japanese, and aliens :D
>> Anonymous
holy fuck /hr/ I love you
>> Speedycat !pitV0nGrEw
>>171577
Ok, now let's see how well YOU write on a clay/stone tablet :P
>> Anonymous
AGE!
>> Anonymous
>>170995

you are a retarded faggot. The greeks knew the earth revolved around the sun for thousands of years. Its called "shadow of the moon", faggot. And ZOMG, 365?!!?! Yeah, if you ignores "days" and ignore all the instances with ANY prefix or suffix. And even THEN, its 364.
>> Anonymous
>>171671
shadow ON the moon, sorry
>> 5557600
>>170996
just look for it on torrents
>> Anonymous
You fags are retarded.

An alternate view is that the "Antarctic" coast is simply the eastern coastline of South America skewed to align east-west due to the inaccurate measurement of longtitude or to fit it on the page 1. Close examination of the coastline supports this view, revealing depictions of the basins at the mouth of the Strait of Magellan and the Falkland Islands. 2 The annotations on the map itself, stating that this region is hot and inhabited by large snakes do not fit with the likely climate and fauna in Antarctica in the 1500s. Similarly the map states that "spring comes early" to the islands off the coast, which is true of the Falkland Islands but not of any islands close to the Antarctic mainland.
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
>>171167

those look like assholes.
>> Anonymous
>>171810
it was copied from ancient charts from way before 1500.
Both the USAF and the US Navy studied this chart, and they both concluded not only that it is virtually correct, but they even found the projection type and point of projection.
>> Anonymous
>>171810
>>172072
interesting...
dont know what to think tho...
I do believe in an ancient advanced civilisation on earth, not adavanced like Sci fi alien etc etc, just advanced in a different path than ours.
Nasca is so mysterious to me.
>> Anonymous
>>171818
Quite an astute observation.