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serious question Anonymous
My girlfriend of 5 months has expressed an interest in ditching condoms, which has always been our chosen method of contraception up until now, in favor of the Pill. Both of us were virgins before we met & have only had sex with each other since, but I read somewhere that it is possible to contract an STI/STD without having had sex with an infected individual. Does this mean that both of us should be tested at the clinic before we start doing it bareback?

On a further related note, if we do get tested & both of us come up clean can I perform cunilingus without a dental dam & not risk catching anything?
>> Anonymous
>>187229
serious answer: u can catch an STI in many different ways, get tested first (both of you) and then decide how and when to go down on ur girl
>> Hank Scorpio !1PhJVYOhUs
>>187231
type your newfag
>> Trust, luck Anonymous
One can never be too safe, but if you ever had any physicals with a doctor, you normally would know if you have a blood-related infection. Other permanent types are relatively visible (herpes for example) and other ones are quite specifically sexual.

Once you ditch the johnny, you can also be unlucky and get aids and infect your partner from that point on. Hence my subject: one, trust between both of you, and second, luck that you will not catch anything.

Frankly, chances are VERY slim, but they exist.

BTW, that was so un-HC-related, unless you want to send us pix of you and your gf shagging ;)
>> Anonymous
>>187229

Funny, I had the same problem, instead of AIDS and other STDs, I was afraid of Pregnancy, ever thought of that?
>> Anonymous
If your curious, you can give oral sex to your partner. Though the chances of catching HIV are there but just very low thats if they have it. Oh yeah, before you go down on your partner best not to use any sugar products and get your gf to have a shower before hand, it can get very salty down there.
>> Anonymous
OP- FYI it is possible for her to become pregnant while on the pill if you're not using a condom or at the very least a spermicidal lube.

I found this out the hard way about 2 months ago. So now I've got to shell out $$ for a house, a new baby totin car, etc. Stick with the condoms dude.
>> Anonymous
You have to weigh up the chances.

Either your GF get prego and you need to support a kid or just keep mr happy on.
>> Anonymous
>>187252

Then she didn't take the pill properly.

My girl takes it since 5-6 years and she never had a problem.

And yes, even condoms can break and fuck you up.

Just pull out before cumming.
>> Anonymous
She needs to start taking birth control pills at least a week before you start having unprotected sex. She has to take the pill every day, like clockwork, or it will be ineffective. And she needs to stick to the same pills during the entire period. This lowers the chance of pregnancy significantly, but if you're worried about STDs, I would use a condom anyway.
>> Anonymous
OP here.

>>187234BTW, that was so un-HC-related
It seemed the best option, I've never been to
/fit/ before & didn't know if it was approriate.

>>187252
The perfect failure rate when correctly using the pill is 0.3%, whereas for a condom it's 2% (using wikipedia here). I trust her plenty enough to tell me if she forgot to take a pill one day & then we would obviously break out a rubber.

To sum up so far, as long as;
- we both test clean
- we don't contract AIDS
- she tells me if she forgets a pill
then our chances of pregnancy will be less-than-or-equal-to using a condom & our chances of contracting STIs/STDs will be extremely slim?
>> Anonymous
That's about right. And doing it raw just feels so much better. I can't even climax with a condom on. Though, I guess that means that it's more fun for her.
>> Anonymous
shes trying to entrap you with a kid, you fucking dipshit.

God damn, I mean, if you are THIS NAIVE when it comes to women's, maybe you should stay away from them for your own safety.
>> Anonymous
>>187274
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Anonymous
>>187232
up urs Scorpio!!
>> Anonymous
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You know the chance of getting HIV from someone who is infected is about 1% during sex.
>> Anonymous
>>187264

> I trust her plenty enough to tell me if she forgot to take a pill one day & then we would obviously break out a rubber.

That's not how the pill works.
>> Anonymous
The safest bet would be:
- both test clean
- make her take the pill
- you use the condom
- pull out early
- cum in her mouth and let her swallow

Profit!
>> Anonymous
>>187264

"if she forgot to take a pill one day & then we would obviously break out a rubber"

wow. you can research stats but not have a clue what the pill actually does? way2winternet
>> Anonymous
>>187292
That depends on what kind of sex... but 1% is the best of cases... and thats 1/100 that you forever fuck up your life...
>> Anonymous
getting tested periodically isn't a bad idea no matter who you are and you can afford it.

there's no saying she's going to remain faithful to you, after all.

yeah, yeah, she's the one, it's forever, etc. be practical, anon.
>> Anonymous
I die a little inside whenever I see "just pull out before you cum".

Precum can (and frequently does) contain sperm. You can produce precum almost instantly after getting an erection. You can be putting a signifigant ammount of sperm inside your ladyfriend long before you ever blow your full load. It only takes one lucky sperm and your a dad.

Seriously, between that and the "use a condom if she misses a day of the pill"...wow this thread makes me sad.
>> Mr.Grieves
>>187232
"I tackled a loafer at work today'"
>> Anonymous
One day is not enough. A forgotten pill usually means that you have to use condoms for the rest of the cycle.

Also, pills suck. OK, if your so is lucky, pill rocks - it's safer than condoms, it's not a smelly condom, aand, it's not a smelly condom. But in my experience girls are usually incompatible with pills in epic ways (e.g. my current girl lost all of her libido after the pill).

Use an IUD. Modern IUD's are safe and effective. Also, they last for five years. In the long run they are far cheaper than both condoms and pills. Putting them in is quite painful, but it's worth it. The only caveat is that you have to make a half year long pause between replacements (this means no IUD for half a year, sex is ok, but you have to use other contaceptives).

As an added bonus, it shuts up the "kid jail" crowd quite nicely. And yes, go to the gynecologist with her. It's not that you shouldn't trust you. She's just going to need you :-)

And yes, test regularly.
>> Anonymous
>>187373
Oh. Yes. "Me too" sucks, but whatever. On of my friends in high school was a result of "pulling it out". At least his parents made sure he wouldn't make the mistake :-)

>>187258
I suggest pulling yours out of yourself. For the good of the humanity.
>> Anonymous
>>187229
GRRRRRRRRRR......
This is HC, not some place for questions and answers for kids who still use condoms.,....GEEEZZZ, ask you mommy and daddy
>> Anonymous
OP stikes me as being a little paranoid, im all for safety but that seems a bit extreme

Pill is ok, i use rubbers and the pill with my gf

i personally am not comfortable with just the pill for pregnancy reasons. At least you know instantly when a condom has fucked up. The pill you dont know until its too late.
>> Anonymous
My wife and I used the pill, and nothing else for YEARS with a perfect track record. Then she switched to the super pill injection thing which was good for 3 mo. Again, no babies. Then we decided to have kids... no problem... knocked her up right away... then she switched to an IUD.. that worked perfectly too.

Then I got a vasectomy and that SUCKED! I got a hematoma in my ball sack and now I have post-vasectomy pain syndrome. The only up-side is that my jizz tastes a little better so she doesn't mind swallowing, not that she minded so much before but at least its not as unpleasant for her... but now my orgasms aren't as good and my balls fucking HURT when I fuck her from behind.

As far as the Aids thing goes; these days its almost impossible to get Aids through a non-sexual encounter because of the extra safety procedures that are in place against it... so unless you or your GF are intravenous drug users and share dirty needles, I wouldn't worry about it.
>> Anonymous
>>187274
Why the fuck would an 18yo at the beginning of a 4 year course at a prestigous foreign university want to get pregnant?

>>187333
>>187337
>>187373
Yes, I realise that a missed pill means a long time with another method of contraception, not just for that day. It's not my fault you all read what I wrote & interpreted it fucking wrong.

>>187410At least you know instantly when a condom has fucked up.
Yeah, this worries me somewhat. I'm sure I'll get over it after the first couple of months though.
>> Anonymous
>>187274

This, but.. without all the bile.

Seriously, do not trust anyone with these types of things, no matter how awesome a person they are to you and how much you think you may know their intentions and how those intentions will change over the course of your relationship. None of the benefits of ditching condoms outweigh the risks of STDs and, even moreso, childbirth.
>> Anonymous
>>187432
Sounds similar to my vericose vein. Basically the vein that runs through my left nut decided one day it was going to double in size. It hurt like a bitch for three months. Apparently this is fairly common with just about any vein on the left side of the body below the waist (something to do with how blood circulates) for guys but it usually happens on legs.

Got it checked out by a doctor and basically all I could really do is wait it out. After the three months of my body adjusting to the new size though its fine. My left nut looks comedically larger than the right and unless I'm really railing my girl from behind and they are doing a lot of slapping against her its not any more painful. Just have to use some care.
>> Anonymous
>>187440None of the benefits of ditching condoms outweigh the risks of STDs and, even moreso, childbirth.

But the way I see it, from the facts presented, we are safe from STDs if we test clean & we're safer against unwanted pregnancy than a condom. Profit?
>> Anonymous
>>187453

The only way you will be safe from unwanted pregnancy is if you have direct control over whether or not she gets pregnant. If you're relying on her to take a pill, you are no longer safe from unwanted pregnancy, because at any time she could decide to take the child to term.

It's hard to say it without sounding bitter or misogynist, but it's not realistic to assume that women do not want children, or will not decide to have children when given the opportunity without first informing other parties involved.
>> Anonymous
Just get tested, numnuts. Get tested any time you're even remotely in doubt. It's not hard and it's not expensive. Just do it. Tell your doctor. Doctors don't care.
>> Anonymous
>>187453

Forget about STDs. Assume she's 100% clean. If there is one thing I learned from college, it's that she is probably going to get pregnant ("The pill must not have worked") and there is a more than substantial chance that she will not go through the proper course of birth control to ensure that she doesn't have a kid.

Even though she may tell you that she is 100% sure that she doesn't want a kid, and even though she may even believe that herself, she is not going to be the same person she is to you today a few months from now when you two are having the 'oops' talk about her positive pregnancy test.
>> Anonymous
Look, all these bitter woman-hating virgins are being paranoid, BUT they have a point on this: it is certainly a good idea to use at least two different, individually effective forms of birth control at all times until you're in a situation where you could handle it if she did, in fact, accidentally get pregnant.

I really don't think she's conniving to get knocked up, but accidents do happen, and girls who are new to the pill are notorious for forgetting to take it on time, which I understand reduces its efficacy from something like 99.5% to more like 75%.

And keep using condoms until you both get full STD screens.
>> Anonymous
>if we do get tested & both of us come up clean can I perform cunilingus without a dental dam & not risk catching anything?

I'm not sure you understand how disease works.
>> Anonymous
Women who don't want kids, still have kids.

Think about that.
>> Anonymous
>>187441

I think I had this. At first I thought it was cancer (I was probably 10 by then and was afraid to tell my parents) I'm 18 now, and still alive, and I'm perfectly healthy. Fuck, this explains a lot.
>> Anonymous
Two points to consider:

1. If either of you have cold sores, they can "travel" to your partner's genitals through oral sex, and blammo, you both get genital herpes.

2. Antibiotics and some other stuff can greatly reduce the effectiveness of the pill, so make sure you read up a bit.
>> Anonymous
the safest thing to do is make sure you're fucking a girl who's OK with having an abortion for both your sakes
>> Anonymous
>>187434
>Why the fuck would an 18yo at the beginning of a 4 year course at a prestigous foreign university want to get pregnant?
So that, at 18, she can rely on someone else to pay for everything for the rest of her life, and not have to put up with the pressures of four years at a prestigious foreign university?
Seriously, you kind of answered your own question there.

Also, my girl's been on the pill for about a year and a half, and so far so good. I never pull out.
>> Anonymous
You can catch STI's from blood contact, and sexual contact. There is no other way. Get tested, you should both be clean. If you are, fuck away.

Seriously, who the fuck uses a dental dam?
/thread
>> Anonymous
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Pic related, OP. Its just like cillit bang for the rust.

About STDs, most can be cured, main bother being AIDS. If she's not a whore, you shouldnt bother with getting infected.

My ex-gf and I started using pills after 4 months (we were virgins when we started) and we never regretted it the 9 months it lasted afterwards.
>> BadBoy
I knew your bitch in high-school. She was the 'Town Bike' - and she's had more cocks than Buffalo Bill's rifle.

Get the bitch tested.
>> Anonymous
>>187765
Lol. Angry virgin.
>> Anonymous
>>187765
>>she's had more cocks than Buffalo Bill's rifle.

that's as dry as the cake of shit around your mouth
>> Anonymous
>>187381

listen to this man
>> Anonymous
And now for the female perspective.

I am 20, have been on the pill for 3 years and have had 2 serious sexual partners in that time.
Rules of the pill are, take it at the same time every day, except the week when you're on the rag (some pill courses come with a labelled placebo for these 7 days). If you take it late then so long as it's within 12 hours of when you SHOULD have taken it, then you're safe - happy fucking. If you miss the 12 hour mark then you take it anyway but use condoms and continue taking the pill for the following 7 days.
If you are on any kind of antibiotics and some other types of medicine it will significantly reduce the effect of the pill, you need to keep taking it regularly but make sure you use condoms and continue taking the pill for 7 days AFTER you FINISH your course of antibiotics.
Get an emergency morning-after pill from your local family planning clinic/GP/gynaecologist to keep by the bedside in case of, well, emergencies.
TALK with your girlfriend and make sure that she is willing to abort if she does fall pregnant. If you catch it soon ie, when she misses her period - test says positive, she can get an injection of MASSIVE amounts of hormones to kick-start a miscarriage.
She will need the highest moral support during this as the hormones will make her feel awful, she might throw up as well, so be aware of that (some people hate puke - i know i do).

............
>> Anonymous
......................

Never have kids unless they are planned - it's ridiculous to try and bring them into the world if you can't support them. To me that's a higher moral standing than "oh but it's got fingernails and a heartbeat you can't kill it" it's totally unfair to ruin three people's lives (you, your girlfriend and the kid) when you could abort, wait until you're ready and then play happy families.

As for disease - get tested, TOGETHER. and get tested regularly, once a month is good if you're sleeping around, not so often if you're going steady.
HIV is a virus that can only live in the body - if you cum/bleed then the virus will die after max 30mins of being out in the open. Bleach kills the virus, so that is why you clean spillt blood with bleach - just in case.
Facial and genital herpes are two very slightly different viruses but are both pretty fucking uncomfortable and they stay in your body FOREVER. I THINK they transfer through saliva, blood, sexual contact and possibly just skin-to-skin contact. Not sure on this one, I've luckily never got herpes.
Crabs, obviously, they crawl all over your pubes and your clothes and your bedding. They are highly contagious, but not impossible to get rid of, just itchy.
if in doubt - shave.
That's all I really know, I think most, if not all other STIs are tranferred through sexual contact.

Also - if you don't trust your girlfriend then keep using johnnies - and consider finding yourself a girl you CAN trust. All these conniving girls that deliberately get pregnant, I'm sure they're not so common really. Don't mistrust your girlfriend because 4chan told you to.

erm, end rant.
>> Anonymous
GF and I have been together 8 months, she's on the shot, it works for us. The shot is pretty care free, its what, every 3 months? and it either works or it doesn't. we had one scare where she missed her period but it was just a false alarm.
>> SERIOUS ANSWER
>>187229
Both of you need to take Cyanide pills. There over the counter in some places. It prevents everything and you won't have to worry anymore. :/
>> Silly question
>>188190
i meant they are not there
>> Anonymous
>>188071>>188072
Thankyou for the rant, there was some interesting stuff in there. Just one question;

>>get tested, TOGETHER
by 'together' do you mean go along to the clinic together for moral support or do you mean 'at the same time'?