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Anonymous
GOD EXISTS
>> Anonymous
>>390684
Scientists have prooven, that this structure can be found in a reduced form.
So ID is false!
>> Anonymous
Stop this Intelligent Design BS. Darwin was right. God is still a cockfag. End.
>> Anonymous
lol wut?
>> Anonymous
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>>390688
>>390703
>> Anonymous
>>390688Actually, this irreducibly complex structure hasn't been "prooven" false. Scientists only theorize what it COULD have come from. But theory is just another name for GUESS. and a guess with flaws that "proove" evolution wrong either way you try to "proove" it.
>> Anonymous
>>390709

Shutup you looser!!!
>> Anonymous
Fucking guess god's name then. Wanna know what it it? The Name Of God Is BOB! Christians are baby-rapists, because they can't allow thinking, because kids that think do stuff like talk and play, instead of sitting quietly and praying not to be beaten like life will beat them when the're adults. Wanna know what's gonna kill the christians so they asend? Starvation, when they can't figure out how to find food when things go pear-shaped world wide. "WAAA! Quantum-mechanics isin't like praying! It's HARD! You can't memorise it! You have to think, and that hurtses!" Fucking stupid pussies never realise that science increases what we see, allows us to see more of what god put in the universe. the universe is there, and alot of what makes it run is there for us to find, otherwise god wouldn't of put it there. THINK! Prove you can, instead of parroting someones shit about therories.
>> Anonymous
>>390713
yeah, religion is fucking stupid but reading your post was like taking a look into capslock country
>> Anonymous
the hell is it? :|
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster#Pirates_and_global_warming
>> Anonymous
>>390709
Oh? Try again, this time with more research. But don't take my word, or a scientists's word. Let's look at the words of Michael Behe, ID proponent. In fact the only one from the Disco Institute to actually have the balls to get on the stand at the Kitzmiller/Dover trial.

By his own works, on crossexamination here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day12am.html#day12am388

Firstly, the Behe tied evolution's hands behinds its back in his study "proving" irreducable complexity. Click on the link above to get the full rundown of the method he uses for his computer simulation, but the summary of the matter is that Behe was running a simulation to see how long it would take a bacteria population to generate an irreducably complex system all at once. Note that he didn't deal with a large chunk of evolutionary theory.

But lets assume that the strawman evolution he was modelling is actually the whole of evolution. Lets also assume that his calculations are correct and that it would take about 20,000 years for 1x10^9 prokaryotes to create that one irreducably complex system.

No, thats not right, I dont trust his numbers. Lets assume that it would take 2,000,000 years for those 1x10^9 prokaryotes to make an IC system.

Heck, for fun, lets assume that the Young Earth Christians are right, and the Earth is only 6000 years old.
>> Anonymous
continued from>>390754

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day12am.html#day12am432
Now here Behe admits that since this model is assuming that everything happens at once, that having a larger population would proportionally decrease the number of years necessary for an IC system to develop. Similarly, a smaller sample size would then need a longer time to create the same.

So if P = #prokaryotes, and Y = #years for the test, the number of IC systems would be:
P/1x10^9 x y/2X10^6 = #IC

We already know how many years, so lets just add that in now:
p/1x10^9 x 3/10^3 = #IC

looks pretty rough for evolution, hm? But wait! LogicMan intervenes!!!
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day12am.html#day12am465

There are more than 10 to the 16 prokaryotes in a ton of soil? Surely this is all a scientist's evil plot, since all scientists are evil or something. So to counteract that, lets assume that there is only a single ton of soil on ALL of the Earth. What does that get us?
>> Anonymous
So, you laugh at intellegent design huh?

with all do respect it'll fall on deaf ears casue its not in ingrish.
>> teh secks
intelligent design fails for one major reason: the folks in charge of the Human Genome Project have managed to account for ways that so-called "irreducibly complex" things can develop through evolution. so, the main thrust of the hypothesis has already been shut down. fuckers.
>> Anonymous
>>390761
First of all, i do belive in god, or whatever you call him,her,it..

But this intelligent design stuff is a model build by christian people to get relginion into class.

In my opinion, the entity we call god just had one day the great idea to just start this shit called the universe and is since then laughing at the pure stupidity humans do all the time.

At least if i were him,..., i would do :)
>> Anonymous
What I don't fucking understand is why such a huge majority of Christians are entirely unwilling to compromise on Genesis, and say it might in fact be symbolic, and we really did evolve. I mean they compromise on so many other Biblical things. Why this specific one? It makes all Christians look like complete ignorant moron fuckwads who won't listen to reason, and accepting that evolution did happen and God just started the ball rolling doesn't compromise the faith at all. God would still have created the human race and therefore have the right to judge them. Stupid fuckers, just because it's science doesn't mean it can't jive with your beliefs.
>> Anonymous
If existance is a system, then a supernatural being would have created the system to enforce existance.

Basically, evolution is bullshit. Carbon-dating is bullshit. Earth-layers is bullshit.

If there was a supernatural being called God, and he was creating, he wouldn't create a dozen baby cows then let them all die in the wild and instantly extinct themselves. He would create many of them young and old, establishing a system to cycle itself.

Fucking moron evolutionists look at an adult cow that God just created and say "This cow is 6 years old, therefore God did not just create it, because the Earth must have existed 6 years before today".

Even Darwin himself knew evolution was garbage, just like Hubbell and scientology.
>> Anonymous
>>390773
A dozen baby cows in the wild can't just be created, there has to be a mother cow first, get over yourself. The system was established as soon as life first formed. Co-evolution helped everything else along the way. Nearly all Artiodactyla Ungulate have had their evolutionary paths traced completely. Dependencies all can be easily explained, evolution is a fairly easy to understand concept but we can't see it taste it smell it feel it or hear it so we don't believe it.

It's like you dumb fuckers who thought gravity was wrong, or relativity, or anything else, well, as much as you don't want to believe in physics and their laws it doesn't change that the laws are still there and unbreakable.
>> Anonymous
>>390709
Actually, this is the same shitty argument when talking about gods existence.
you cant proove that he does, nor that he dosn't.

Evolution is a theory, right.
It can be false, right.

But look:
Gravity is a theory, too.
It also can be false.

Both theories have given us so much understanding, on how this world has become the way it is now.
If you don't like the theory of evolution, come up with a better one, that passes the tests, a theory has to go through, to be respected.
But don't bring up this vague god-based-"theory" of "intelligent"design...

>> Anonymous
>>390772

I believe I read somewhere that the current literal interpretation of Genesis is actually a fairly recent trend...some saint 200 years ago remarked about how we're not quite sure what the writer of Genesis actually meant.

God can (does) exist in a universe with evolution. That is my belief. Can I back it up? Nah, and I won't try to.
>> Anonymous
Religion tries to explain
Science tries to understand
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>>390713
>>390754
>>390755
>>390758
>>390761

mother fucking WHAT?
>>390767
>>390772
>>390773
>>390775
>>390780
>>390783
>> Anonymous
Science asks "how?"
Religion asks "why?"
>> Anonymous
>>390773
That's Hubbard.

>>390789
Not a good summary. More to the point: science asks, religion tells. The opinion of the lay is only so much regarded in theological maters unless you have some kind of reputability, otherwise your laws are dictated and your "mysteries" examined and with conclusions certified by singular authorities. There's no peer review in theology, so a bad idea goes unchecked. On the upside of this, theological-sustained beliefs have to have some amount of substance to be believed in the first place, and that is what religion has to do - be able to convince people things are a certain way.

In recent years (or maybe even further back) science has ben jumping on ever small wild speculation about the nature of the universe and its subatomic particles and ride it to the end. YOu can't blame them for being wrong or re-stating themselves - at this point, theoretical science is about being the first to say it whether its true or not and then, if it sticks in minds, people afterwards must prove it to be true in at least one case or a general number of cases before they begin to find all the cases where it doesn't stand.

For the record, I'm an agnost. I can't prove nor disprove the existence of a surpreme entity, let alone one we call "I Am I," but I long ago determined that it wouldn't matter to me either way if I did think God existed or not. I'm not interested in devotion to the full scope of the teachings put forth by his followers.
>> Anonymous
If God exists, he's certainly not on 4chan.
>> Cats777 !ZMTjkDFhqY
This thread is made of fail and tl;dr.
>> Anonymous
What does any of this have to do with the OP gif?
>> Anonymous
>>390804
OP is typical fundie asshats' argument of the existence of God...er, an "intelligent designer".

Only it isn't. Like any "argument from ignorance" fallacy, failing to grasp how a structure could have evolved is far different from disproving that it could or did evolve.

The whole ID/creationist movement, of course, is founded upon the "false dichotomy" fallacy; they think that you only need to disprove evolution to prove creationism/ID. The irony is that ID _itself_ demonstrates that such a strategy is doomed to fail: IDers make the argument that the intelligent designer of life could be advanced aliens... willfully ignoring the fact that they've just proposed a third alternate explanation for the emergence of life.
>> Anonymous
ROFL. God creating cows. WTF?

'Cows' are domestic animals. They were 'created' by man through selective breeding which is the conscious manipulation and guiding of evolution on a micro-scale. The fact that cows, pit-bulls, persian cats, and domestic turkeys exist is proof enough that evolution isn't bullshit.

Darwin didn't invent 'evolution', his primary contribution was proposing that 'natural selection' could explain the mechanics of it.

Fucking retards.
>> Anonymous
>>390847
Amen
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I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.

I'm not so certain I whole-heartedly believe in survival of the fittest so much anymore. In some ways I do, in some ways I don't.

So we're the fittest species, right? So perhaps we have dominance over most other species, and we've figured out how to efficiently survive against the weather and such things. But as the dominant species of the planet, and being aware of this, we're also aware of the responsibility we hold to lesser species. So it becomes less "THIS IS MY LAND! MY SEED, MY SPECIES SEED WILL DOMINATE THE PLANET!" I guess you have to just take it in a different context.

Darwin: still relevant, you just have to switch the perspective a bit.
>> Anonymous
this is /gif/ not /religion/
>> Anonymous
Evolustion is wrong because we don't have wings.
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I fucking want wings
>> Anonymous
>>390862
>>390703

Darwin is wrong. His theories about natural selection and inheritance are evident in nature and mostly eukarya, but fall second fiddle to to powerful presence of gene transfer, which throws competition between organismal genome sets way, way out. Now, lamarck is getting the fanfare, what with his prediction of the ability of organisms to gain certain characteristics within their lifetime and pass them on to a new generation.


The point? No scientist should or should have to defend evolution. Once that happens, it's game over for your objectivity and progress. If you truly believe in evolution, you are no longer a scientist, because what you know now can and will be proven false or modified in the future.
>> Anonymous
>>390773
I think evolution makes more sense than woman being born of Adam's rib, don't you think?>>390862
However, this pitcure doen not represent evolution. The Theory of Evolution does not state that we EVOLVED from apes, as many ignorant people assume, but states we share the same ANCESTOR.

Why is this theory so hard to understand? I don't get it! Out of all the theories, it is the simplest, most logical one. I think that some people like to argue just for the sake of arguing. ZOMG, SOMEONE HAS A THEORY, LETS DEBUNK IT!

God is beyond a rational theory. If God was real, and could do anything, could he create a God more powerful than himself? Could he create a boulder that HE COULD NOT LIFT?

“Is God willing to prevent evil but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is God both willing and able?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
>> Anonymous
It is often claimed that evil exists because God gave humans free will. Free will is assumed to be a greater good than the evil that they cause.

This argument fails to explain why God allows natural disasters, such as hurricanes, tsunamis, and earthquakes. These events impersonally kill millions of people, which indicates that our concept of "evil" is not necessarily tied to what people do.

Even if we define natural disasters as not being evil, there remains the fact that they occur, and that God does not prevent them or the deaths and suffering they cause. If we replace "evil" with "suffering" in the discussion above, the problem remains: either God is unaware of people's suffering, and is therefore not omniscient; or he is unable to do anything, and is therefore not omnipotent; or he is unwilling to intervene, and is therefore not omnibenevolent.

There is also the question of heaven. Heaven, being a perfect place, does not contain evil. Does this mean that inhabitants of heaven no longer retain their free will?
>> Anonymous
>>390895
Nothing wrong with suffering. We may not like it, but it is part of existance. Don't believe in god, but if I did, I would hardly call him evil for allowing suffering. It is consistant with the natural order of the world and the universe. Natural laws apply to everything, regarldess of you or I being discomforted.
>> Anonymous
>>390709
the·o·ry (th?'?-r?, thîr'?) pronunciation
n., pl. -ries.

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
>> Anonymous
guess (g?s) pronunciation

v., guessed, guess·ing, guess·es.

v.tr.

1.
1. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information.
2. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information
>> Anonymous
You're all wrong. Buddha created the earth and he was done he said, "suck my cock you fags" I have it all right here in an ancient, holy text "Buddha gets blown by you and you cry"
>> Anonymous
I created the universe. My name is dan, and I'm sending you all to hell for reading this abomination of a website.
>> No one really cares
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Everyone has their own beliefs, posting on 4chan isn't going to change anyones mind. The pic says it all. Get off it.
>> Anonymous
Let's try this one on for size:

"Man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" (Gen. 3:22)

Man gained knowledge of good and evil by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. This is the original sin, the curse of which sticks to humanity even now, right?

This then means that every human being as an innate knowledge of what it means to be good or evil. So... doesn't that mean that a man can be good without any religious teachings?

Why, then, should a person have to study and follow a religious text to be good? What does this say of evolutionists, many of whom take their study of knowledge to be a reason NOT to be violent or bad in the course of your life under any circumstance?
>> Anonymous
>>390917
I too agree. Also, I find it sickening that Christians think of an innocent newborn baby as filthy with original sin. Immoral bastards.
>> Anonymous
>>390917
Good and evil is a duality defined by theology. Without theology, it is not necessary to draw these distinctions between what is right and wrong, as the physical world does not discriminate between these actions. You are very much allowed to mass murder people; but not so much to hover 2 inches in the air without aid. Throughout history, universal good and evils have changed much as our taste for oatmeal. We cannot assume objectivity in determining what is good and what is evil, but rather, we can define pretty much intuitively the good and evil property of any scenario based on the reference of today's paradigm.

By just searching for the best method to guarantee abided standards of good and evil, we neglect to address the more fundamental problem of defining good or evil in the first place. Philosophy has no need of such a restraint, so the only department left to tackle this issue is theology.
>> Anonymous
>>390917
One verse from the Bible won't give you all the answers. The whole book will. We all have good and evil knowledge, but we can't go to heaven and be saved unless we accept that Jesus is Gods son and saved us. When we give ourselves to him, and strive to be good, then we will be with him when he returns.
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>>390911
Somebody care after all because I've just read the whole thread and rethink my opinions.

So evolution is a fact even if we can't proove every aspect of it. I don't belive in GOD, the great creator, but I think there is some greater power which also evolved form lesser forms. Some kind of energy or lifestream which every material form posses and release after death/collapse. This brings another question - what really happens after death? Do you think that we just decompose into a pile of dead cells? What about clinical death experience?
>> Anonymous
The average number of posts a thread on /gif/ gets is about 6...
>> Anonymous
>>390953
Please don't sage. If you cant participate in our discussion just ignore/hide this thread.
>> Anonymous
if you guys are into jesus, what the fuck are you doing here?
>> Anonymous
WHAT THE HELL IS THE OP PIC SHOWING A FLAGELLA FOR
>> Anonymous
flagellum*
>> Anonymous
TL;DR

GET THE FUCK OUT
>> Anonymous
"Now, lamarck is getting the fanfare, what with his prediction of the ability of organisms to gain certain characteristics within their lifetime and pass them on to a new generation."

Hahahahahaha. No matter how hard you workout and how much muscle you attain, your kid isn't going to be born with the physique of a body-builder, retard.

A) Lamarck, like Darwin, was looking to find a theory to explain evolution. He wasn't looking to disprove it and none of his theories would have done so.

B) His theories were completely disproven in regards to macroorganisms by the work of Mendel and the discovery of the genome.

C) The only people who think Lamarck is relevant are so-called 'Christian scientists' with no real grasp of scientific methods or reality.
>> Anonymous
Religion and the belief in god(s) or something supernatural started during the infancy of humanity before the widespread establishment of what we consider "civilization". The idea came about from natural phenomenon that our primative ancestors could not explain and attributed to a mythical creatures or a deity. Earthquakes, avalanches, volcanoes, even droughts or river flooding were thought to be acts of higher beings. Basically everything we know, can explain/prove were the basis for religion, it's simply evolved since then to invent more reasons to support the "need" for a unseen higher power.

Yes, I did just say evolved and religion in the same sentence, TAKE THAT IRONY. Regardless, the current practices of religion all promote a generally selfish stigma. Don't do any wrongs, but if you do just ask forgiveness, and then when you die you'll get your personal eternal reward of XXX for your YYY religion. Emphasis is put on the avoidance/repentance of evil, and not necessarily the doing of good in the world. Despite this "preventative" stance, the arrogance of humanity allows us to twist reason and feelings to justify even the most terrible acts we can commit.

Our future does not lie in some blissful selfish reward that is simply handed to us. We only get one life on this planet, to live happily, to find someone to share it with, and to raise a family. The reward isn't selfish, the goal isn't self-centered, our future lies in the subsequent generations that will live on after we are gone. We provide and accomplish, what we learn and teach so they may proceed on further and continue the progression/evolution of the human race.
>> Anonymous
>>390791
>>There's no peer review in theology, so a bad idea goes unchecked.
Not peer review in the scientific method, but in the major religions there is review, often quite thorough. Also, peer review didn't save science from a few runaway "bad ideas"
>> Gitami
>>390767
Hey, you're modeled on the big guy in the sky, so he's probably scratching his nuts right and thinking of pedololi stuff like the /a/tards
>> Anonymous
>>390933

Yes. I'm not arguing a system of non-belief, rather, the conflicting states that exist within this text (making it a poor reference).

>>390939

You said we have to accept Jesus then "strive to be good". But, as I asked, do you have to accept Jesus to be good? Why is accepting Jesus as the son of God any way of judging moral character? Does this imply that a person can be good, yet still be sent to hell because of non-acceptance of Jesus as the son of God?

What is it about accepting Jesus as the Son of God that should make one person more acceptable in the eyes of God?
>> Anonymous
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>>390994

Man is a narcissistic species by nature. We have colonized the four corners of our tiny planet. But we are not the pinnacle of so-called evolution. That honor belongs to the lowly cockroach. Capable of living for months without food. Remaining alive headless for weeks at a time. Resistant to radiation. If God has indeed created Himself in His own image, then I submit to you that God is a cockroach.
>> Raz
>>391000

Actually, it's bacteria, not cockroach. For they are even more numerous and retain greater adaptibility to various environments. There's pretty much no way to cause the extinction of bacteria. Even if one were to destroy the Earth, some bacteria can pretty much just float around in space.

It has always been the age of bacteria.

Anyways, I'm a devout Christian, but I know that Intelligent Design is retarded. By their standards, my daily horoscope would be considered science. It's time for Christians to stop burning people at the stake for acknowledging that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
>> Anonymous
>>391000

GET Logic fail.
>> Raz
>>390996

Also, when Jesus said "I am the way", I don't think that he meant you had to invoke his name or all passage to heaven will be blocked to you. Jesus' way was the way of love, where the most important laws were to love and be good to each other. One may live their life as a loving person without ever knowing the name of Christ. It is equally possible for someone to scream JESUS, I LOVE JESUS all day long, while doing hateful things to their fellow men.

Haters can scream his name all they like, they'll only turn out to be one of those guys who cry "Lord, why do you forsake us, have we not done many works in your name?" While he replies: "I tell you truthfully, I have no idea who you fuckers are. Seriously, all those times that you made me look bad just wasn't cool."
>> Anonymous
>>390966
Once again, you are approaching this with the bias of eukaryotes. Eukaryotes are insignificant, G. Get with the Woese, man.

A. Not what I was arguing.
B. See intro.
C. It's not like he's going to get a posthumous nobel prize. He just happened to be more right (though still wrong) than Darwin when it came to microbial communities.
>> Anonymous
>>391023
Might not even be bacteria, what with the fact that we don't know a speck about archaea
>> Anonymous
>>391026

So you don't really need to say "I believe in Jesus and Jesus is the son of God" to find passage into heaven?

You just have to be a good person? By what you've told me, and by the logic of Christian faith, you don't actually need to be religious to be a good person or to get into heaven. o0
>> Anonymous
People still don't realize that religions only try to provide guidelines to improve the way people treat each other? "Heaven" is synonymous for "a better planet". What goes around, comes around.
>> Anonymous
>>391032
repent of your sins, turn over a new leaf etc etc
>> Anonymous
>>391042
Take off every Zig.
>> TIF !gmW20EFjs2
>>391041

"Oh how convenient! A theory on God that doesn't require you search through the entire universe for an eternity to find him! GET BACK TO THE TELESCOPE!"
>> Anonymous
Now now children.
>> Anonymous
An omnipotent creature can't exist, omnipotence being a paradox.
>> Anonymous
Discussions on the internet.
>> Anonymous
Everyone should have a muffin. :3
>> Anonymous
at least it's a discussion not flaming trolls.
>> Anonymous
read " God Delusion " by Richard Dawkins.
>> Anonymous
I really do hope that god exists, only so that someday I can make him cry.
>> Anonymous
Why is there one of these fucking threads in /gif/, /hr/, and /wg/?


Also, if you believe in God without awknowledging science and use it for your own agenda to hate gays or whatever then you are a fucking retard.

If you believe that it is ridiculous to be spiritual or that all people who believe in God are fucked up Christians than you are also a stupid motherfucker.
>> Anonymous
>>391157
How would you make God cry? If God existed he would rape you a new butthole.
>> Anonymous
Quick question:

If God created the earth and universe and is all powerful, he can easily destroy it as well. Meaning he has 100% full control. So why the FUCK does he need people to do anything for him, including but not limited to: Spreading the 'word', praying, annoying the fuck out of people who don't care, etc... You're not that important, even if god does exist. He's fucking god. He doesn't need you. Find something else to do.
>> God does exist... Dusty
Hey, come on now. Stop bashing people for their beliefs. I for one, believe there is a God.

God does exist. Want proof? Take a look around you. The oceans and beaches are part of the cooling mechanism for the earth, right? If that's all they were for, then they wouldn't have to be beautiful and awe inspiring. But they are, and I believe that that is one of God's fingerprints. The complexity of the human being. there is a 0.0% probability that we evolved from something else. Our complexity can't happen by chance. Look at the stars and planets. Those are not in any random order for any random reason. It all plays a part in the ability of earth to support life. Everything is exactly spaced and everything is moving at a specified rate. Well? WHO SPECIFIED THE PARAMETERS FOR THE MOVEMENT OF THE STARS? I don't think it was Darwinian in nature, nor was it random. It's way too precice. If the earth's axis was off by one thousandth of a degree, our living conditions would be pretty harsh, believe it or not. There was a reason for our position in reference to the sun, and a reason for the angle at which the earth rotates. Chance is dead at this point, I rest my case.
>> Anonymous
>>391165
tl;dr
>> Anonymous
>>391165

This is the silliest reason I've...

...well no. I've heard sillier reasons. But this is in that catagory. Not to mention that our universe is hardly perfect. If I were God. I would have started over a long time ago. This whole system is flawed at it's very core. The fact that a 'perfect' being couldn't even get it right to begin with, and hasn't taken steps to fix the problems in it is obvious proof that either A: God is an asshole doing this for his amusement. Or B: He doesn't exist. Make your choice.
>> Anonymous
Unverified assertions + Logical Fallacies = Truth

GG
>> Anonymous
Creationists should speak only when they "discover" something that hasn't already been covered here:
http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/List_of_Creationist_arguments
>> Anonymous
Completely subjective aesthetic = God. Who knew
>> Anonymous
The funniest thingabout this whole argument is that no one here acknoleges the fact we were all given freedom of choice. And it just so happens that since we all have this freedom one person can choose to do wrong to another and thats the way it is. Now this system of things is more that obviously flawed but thats mankind trying to run mankind...people suck thats a fact. But were god to just prevent every little bad thing from happening just because a bunch of whining little bitches don't get what they want all the time the world would in fact be worse off.

Also note that many time in the Bible it states that God's undeserved kindness is enough. So the fact is we are allowed to exist simple as that.
>> Anonymous
plus there is also no accounts of hell in the bible. Nor does it state that when you die you become an angel or that you get wing or any bullshit like that. Most of the problems we see today in religion are as a result of people picking and choosing what they want to belive out of a fat fucking book. Its obvious how messed up catholisism, mormonism, hinduism, islam, scientology, southern bapitists and anyone that that hold telethons for cash and heals people with the divine power fo a rolex.
All those groups do is pick and choose passages and run with it. Its a big picture deal either you take the whole thing or nothing at all.
>> Anonymous
I'd expect this kind of shit on /b/, but not on /gif/.
>> Anonymous
Actually choice was already made, you think you have choice but every choice you will ever make has already happened. Like dominoes, we are set and fall as we were supposed to.
>> Anonymous
>>391194

You kinda have to pick and choose what passages of the bible to believe, seeing as how it tends to contradict itself from verse to verse, never mind page to page or book to book.
>> Anonymous
"Once again, you are approaching this with the bias of eukaryotes. Eukaryotes are insignificant, G. Get with the Woese, man."

If eukaryotes are insignificant, why does your God make such a big deal out of them to the point where his 'word' never mentions prokaryotes and attributes disease to his wrath and evil?

A) Your point was that somehow believing in evolution makes one a poor scientist and somehow less objective simply because the mechanics behind them are not yet fully understood and open to further discovery. That's not how real science works, retard. In spite of a few untestable theories nobody knows why we have gravity or what matter is composed of at its most fundamental level. If all those theories are one day disproven people aren't going to fly into the sky, the universe isn't going to disappear, and evolution will still be a fact.

B)Even on a prokaryotic level the primary camps are still neo-darwinism and symbiogenesis, neither of which have anything to do with Lamarck's theory of inheritance of acquired traits. The only studies in which his theories given any serious consideration, and even then heavily debated, are regarding prions.

C) Even if they did give posthumous Nobels the only reason he could have ever received one was for championing evolutionary science, not for his theories, because his theories were and are wrong. Giraffes didn't evolve long necks through generation after generation of stretching.

D) You're still a retard and christian-science is, and always will be, bullshit for people too dumb and ignorant to grasp the scientific method and believe man and dinosaurs happily co-existed in peace.
>> Anonymous
why does god want us to worship him/it/her
>> Anon
>>390684>>390888

Maybe Darwin is wrong about one or two minor things. But that's the beautiful thing about science. We can admit when we're wrong if a better theory is submitted. As opposed to christians, who believe they are right when evidence proves their beliefs wrong. If you want to believe that God exists, then you need to start advocating slavery, polygamy, genocide, mass infanticide, war crimes involving rape and murder of civilians, and human sacrifice. And if you believe that a "theory" isn't worth trusting, then move into a fucking Amish community, cos electricity is "just a theory." How anyone could believe that an infallible, omnipotent, omniscient deity could come about out of nothingness as opposed to simple matter, then you really are an unwashed savage.
>> Anon
>>390684>>390772

Since according to the Bible that the Word was God, doesn't that mean Christians should have to follow every idiotic, inhumane, and barbaric law and practice in it? I really wish they would. At least then a lot of these religious fucks would be in prisons and rubber Ramadas. They're always holding up progress.
>> Anon
>>390888

As opposed to Christianity, which was proven wrong several hundred years ago.
>> Anon
>>390684>>390933

Really? Because I'm pretty sure god-freaks who can function and act like decent human beings tend to pick and choose what they want to believe and adhere by fromt heir religious texts- which means they have an understanding of the Bible. America no longer allows slavery, yet if we followed the Bible (Exodus ch. 12) we would have no qualms about owning slaves. Just one example of our ability to define what is good and what is evil. We need theology to tell us what is good and evil about as much as we need sitcoms to tell us how to raise a family.
>> Anon
>>390684>>391026

Hahaha, despite being a Christian this guy's got a good handle on how to treat ohters with respect.
>> Anonymous
Here's an article you guys would probably like, also, it's related (there's a shocker).

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/horror.html
>> Anonymous
I PRAYED FOR ALL OF YOU, IN JESUS' NAME!!!
>> Anonymous
>>391245
no becuase if you have any understanding of the bible... you'd know that laws of the old testament do not apply to us today due to the new covenant in the new testament brought forth by Jesus. the 10 commandments? throw em out. but then again 9 of the 10 are repeated in some form in the new testament so dont throw it out completely.
>> Anonymous
lets do some thinking hmm?
Religion has caused endless wars and what most people would call evil. the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the Jews in WWII were persecuted because of their religion. for something that supposed to be good that incredibly hippocritical.

what has religion has contributed to the world and society? what has science has contributed to the world and society? mabey its just common sense but if i had to choose i just might pick what science has contributed /sarcasm

What will society look like in 900 yrs? well without the darkages (they lasted 900 yrs.), which happened entirely because of chritanity, you'd know right now and probably be able to go into space on public transport and AIDS and global warming and neo-conservative-christians wouldnt be a problem

Anything ever evil happened to you? are you christian? if you awnsered 'yes' to these questions you have disproven god to be omnibenevolent and disproven you own beleifs. GJ, now keep on praying.

Christians once beleived the world was flat, and that the universe revolved around the earth. thats not ture. for trying to tell people of this galleio was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. the church aplogised in 1992. Religion holds up progress.

I could go on and on about how stupid-hippocritical and pro-childmolestation christians are, but it wont help much, because they have an explaination for everything, ive aruged with them. its 'god'. Ive been told that i am atheist because of god. Point is, religion is bad. very very bad. it hasnt done anything good ever, yet it has killed billions of people over the centuries and slowed our pregress as a socitey on the orders of several magnitudes. how so many people still dont consider religion a plauge is beyond me.
>> Anonymous
>>391262

Athetists don't realize, religion=ideology.

So you stupid self-righteous cunts better get a goddamn grip on reality and see what religion in in what you'd want to call "the real world", you fucking useless sacks of busted vag juice. What is religion? Religion is a set of principles, ideas, morals, rules, what have you, that PEOPLE, fucking PEOPLE, use, in whatever way they want. People want to be assholes, people want control, people want to rule, people USE religion, you numbnutted sacks of worthless donkey shit. Religion has been used throughout history to control people, to keep them in line, and to give them hope when there's really nothing to look forward to in lives that were harsh, brutal and short. You dumb bitches can't seem to wrap your egotastic heads these simple facts.

You stupid fucking dog fuckers don't seem to understand that in modern industrial, liberalized society, the people who founded our constitutions were actually people who believed "religion" and they seperated Church and State, because they believed in the right of people to choose. Are there religious traditions, well no shit, maybe because religion was more important in our mutual past. But if you don't like it, guess what, you don't need to be a cunt about it.

All Atheists want is some fucking attention to stroke their goddamn egos. You don't believe in God? Or any spiritual power, and if you can't explain something its just that science hasn't figured it out yet? Well fine, yaaay, good for you, but shut the fuck up, nobody wants to hear it, you're not convincing anyone of anything you moronic cunts. Just shut the fuck up and go look forward to your nothingness and hole in the ground, to go along with your pointless and perfectly scientific life, with no room for a little goddamn wonder.
>> Anonymous
>>391262
thank you for not rambling on for too long. you show an incredible lack of knowledge about religion. sad but classic. besides... the world has never been without religion so i'm not sure what you are comparing a world w/ religion to. how would you know any better?
>> Anonymous
Alot of the people here would make Edward Elric proud.
>> Anonymous
>>391266
You sure know an awful lot about what I believe.

I'd tell you whether or not that was sarcasm, but I'm sure you already know.
>> Anonymous
Question: A11 this mention of god seems to be attacking on1y christians. But what about the other re1igions? Or is this christianity in particu1ar?
>> Anonymous
I remember someone told me god made the world by steps day by day.How could he have made the Earth "day by day" if he made time on the 3rd or 4th step.
>> Anonymous
>>391266
Wow, you made your point well, with all the unnecessary vulgarity in that post. No, really, I'm sure people are ecstatic to capture whatever truth is in your post, buried under all of that primitive, emo-rage garbage.

Even if you happened to be right (Which of course, you're not. You're making a generalization on Atheists, doing the same thing you're preaching against), the conduct of your post is completely wrong, thus making it invalid.

So please, stew in your spiteful broth, because that's all you're going to accomplish here. I'll leave you on a note from your own post.

"Well fine, yaaay, good for you, but shut the fuck up, nobody wants to hear it, you're not convincing anyone of anything you moronic cunts."

If it's their belief, who do you think you are in saying their wrong? If they have a belief, and belief is religion, then Atheism is a religion. It's a custom for religions to always conflict with other religions, it's in human nature to do so. It's sad that his beliefs clipped your pathetic little wings, but you're the one in the dark little hole here, not him.