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hi /gif/ Anonymous
i made this!
>> Naruto animators have no shame Anonymous
So not only did they copy the choreography from Cowboy Bebop Knockin on Heaven's Door but now they are copying Jackie Chan poses? Can they honestly expect me to believe they aren't just watching movies and films and grabbing choreography from them? Oh the animators just happened to know this EXACT stance and pose from their expert memory of martial arts. Yeah right.

Fuck you Naruto creators. You have no creativity.
>> Anonymous
>>231496
Well, not to defend the animators for Naruto, really... But... Er.. In their defence, isn't that a form of martial arts, as opposed to a Jackie-Chan rip off? If it's just merely a direct translation of a form of MA, then points for them for getting it right...
But if it's a J-C rip... Then lots of lost points for them.
>> Anonymous
it's traditional kung fu, so shame on jackie chan and all'others martial artist in the world for copying shaolin monks arts.. lol
>> Anonymous
Jesus Christ,>>231496

Standard martial arts pose. Who really cares except those already with an axe to grind anyway?

For that matter, why does Bebop get a free pass when they used the fight scene for Spike/Vincent? The consensus is it was from a Bruce Lee movie, which I hope to confirm for myself later. If not that, it's probably from a Jackie Chan movie, or any famous martial arts movie.

Everything is based off something these days. Bebop very likely wasn't the first to think of the routine much less put it on celluloid. Grab. Punch. Punch. Punch. So complex only Bebop could have thought of it!

Either way, say what you will about the series since then, but those working on Naruto can't be that dumb as to directly rip off a recent production if it wasn't meant as an homage or tribute.

OLLOL NARUTO SUX! We know. Get over it.
>> Anonymous
Jackie is ripped!!!
>> Anonymous
for all you who think martial arts are ineffective in combat.

Your out of your minds, thats the entire point. Your either a trained fighter or not! Just some are trained right and some wrong.
>> Anonymous
Nice gif...
Can anyone please care to repost the other one?
>> Anonymous
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>>231715
>> Anonymous
>>231723
Thanks

Anyway, Naruto crew aren't exactly creative in their prodution...
>> Anonymous
Actually... THIS IS NOT JACKIE CHAN!!!
You all fail.
>> DD
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No biggie if that's actualy a kata or whatever you call it (forgive me, martial artists).

But how do people actualy notice these things?
>> Anonymous
...why would ninjas be using kungfu?
>> Kuru
>>231872

Basics of Hand to Hand combat, if you didn't know how to defend yourself while on the job, you're pretty much a dumbass.
>> Anonymous
>>231868
OP here..
I downloaded the torrent of the big collection of kung fu fights, and well, being a fan of at least the proper episodes of Naruto, I recognised the posing since, well, it's from one of the better episodes.
>> Anonymous
Are any of you professional animators?

Because what we all do is use stock footage for references. Most is general fighting, but sometimes, we use the disciplined styles such as Jeet Kun Do, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, and even Aikido.

Most disciplines have set forms and stances, many of which are seen in movies.

Do you know how hard bodies are to animate in a complex fight scene? Most of the time, we're doing heavy episodes or full length features and simply do not have the time to choreograph new fights for ourselves, so we use stock footage. The bigger companies even hire fighters for themselves, film them, and turn it into the character fights later.


So please, give us a break. We all have to entertain the weeaboos somehow.
>> Anonymous
Are you a professional director? Sure, there are many stances that have been in hundreds of movies. But ripping off how the action is shot (or animated) is different. The first gif might have used the same movement, but it could have been shot different. This is ESPECIALLY true of the second gif. Stock footage is one thing, plagerism is another.

Btw, with the first gif having the shot "a little closer/close-up" doesn't make it much different.
>> Anonymous
>>231921

Like I said, we use stock footage. Even having to imagine a move from a different angle is time consuming. It's just not how the industry works.

And plagiarism is taking the entire thing, spot on. You do NOT see any Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan in Naruto. You see the Naruto characters using the moves. It's referencing.
>> Anonymous
>>231956Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan in Naruto.
Then who the fuck was Rock Lee designed after?!
>> Anonymous
Yeah, it is time consuming to imagine and draw something from a different angle. It's quicker just to take what's on the reference material- you might even say it's a shortcut. You might even say that copying is faster than creating.
>> Anonymous
>>231962

Ah, now you get it.
>> Anonymous
"Stock footage" is a bullshit excuse used to cover up the fact you are blatantly tracing someone elses work.

Sure, animating is hard. Animating on a tight budget with a tight schedule is even more difficult. But you know what seperates the good anime from the shitty anime? CREATIVITY. A good anime wouldn't copy other forms of entertainment directly. They might use it as a reference but they wouldn't copy the EXACT angle, pose, and choreography.

There is a big difference between hiring an actor to help animate a scene and copying from other already finished forms of entertainment. That's plaigarism. Simple as that. Cowboy Bebop probably took the time to "hire actors" as you said, so what is Naruto doing? Piggybacking off Cowboy Bebop and the money that THEY spent. In other words, because they don't have the money they use the age old excuse that doing something wrong is ok because I don't have the money to do it right.
>> Anonymous
holy shit.

I can't believe you fucking weeabos took the time to FIND this shit...
>> Anonymous
>>232041


Hah, yes, but I do not work for Sunrise/BONES OR Studio Pierrot.

I work stateside on US animations. I'm just saying that's how we do it here in the states, as well as how they do it over there.
>> Anonymous
The movie clip in the .gif is from Ninja in the Dragons Den.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084267/
its on emule if you want to see it, its pretty good. If you really want to laugh, get the english dub. The guy in the .gif says alot of funny stuff.
>> Anonymous
>>232089
I'd also like to add that the intro is one of the funniest I've ever seen on a kung fu film. The lyrics on the english dub are great. I'll try to upload it to rapidshare.
>> Anonymous
http://rapidshare.de/files/20787715/intro.avi.html
>> Anonymous
>>231921
>>231958
>>232041
I can't believe there's retards like these people out there, ready to blame every single animator that has ever worked on Naruto just because one guy got lazy and ripped off some other's work and another guy just used reference on something he thought was cool.

The cowboy bebop is blatant plagiarism, I agree. But to imply that the jackie chan poses in naruto are, that's just fucking stupid.

Maybe this means that you have thorough knowledge of martial arts? NOT EVERYONE KNOWS IT because let's face it... what the fuck is the use?
You can't expect every single animator to be a fuckin' black belt or 9 dan. That's just moronic.
It's obvious that one would turn to kung fu flicks for inspiration and reference. It's encouraged for animators to use reference. Most of the time, our own body is enough for common actions. But I highly doubt that 80% of animators have ever held an AK47 or fought off 3 guys with a pair of nunchucks.
let me tell you, you get burnt out when you have to pump out and episode ever 2 to 3 weeks. and in that time, the only refence one will have time to watch are tapes or a mirror.

I work for dreamworks and when I see assholes like>>231496shitting out of their mouth instead of their ass, it royally pisses me off.
Just shut the hell up and try to enjoy the labor that some have shortened their lives to bring to you.
>> Brrrring Anonymous
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>>232041A good anime wouldn't copy other forms of entertainment directly.

Right, because Cowboy Bebop is totally a shitty anime. What's that, you say? You didn't know that shows like CB did the exact same thing? There's a gif of a fight scene in both Naruto and Bebop that's choreographed in exactly the same manner. Both are taken from a Bruce Lee film.

We know you think naruto is 'shitty', but if you're honestly going to sit there and say that every show that uses stock footage sucks, then you're kidding yourself.

Next time, do a little research.
>> Anonymous
>>232192

Thank you. Dreamworks, though? I'd think that you guys would have enough money to actually hire fighters for mo.cap references.
>> The Minus !CPfDSw2lYQ
Both Cowboy Bebop and Naruto equally suck dick, just different portions at a time. Nothing is original, so get off of it.
>> Anonymous
>>232192

Sewiously. I mean, hiring black belts for 100 dans would be, like, going that extra mile. Who needs that? The animators are too busy animating a recap of the last few episodes to be bothered with new shit that might be creative.
>> Anonymous
>>232217
yeah, we have actors and choreographers, as well as professionals in the fields. But I was just talking from experience on TV shows. That's rough.. lol