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Anonymous
hey /gif/ what's everyone's opinion on abortion?
>> Anonymous
The world needs more of it. Alot more of it. For the next 100 years if 90% of all babies were aborted, that would just barely be doing humanity a great credit.
>> Anonymous
more power to the woman
>> Anonymous
What's the big deal with abortion? I mean, all you have to do is pull the baby out & throw! For crying out loud, it's just a baby!
>> Anonymous
Well actually, I'm against it. Except in the life-threataning case.
>> Anonymous
>>268233
you were just a baby once
>> Anonymous
>>268238
And if you've read their comment, you realize they should have been aborted.
>> Anonymous
Imagine a life growing up poor and unwanted with a teenage mother who had you simply because she got unlucky while losing her verginity. You're mother's life has gone to hell because she now has to drop out of school and get a job just to keep you fed and alive, nevermind healthy and happy. Her family has disowned her because of being so "open" with her sexuality even though she didn't know any better, and both your life and hers are miserable and yet you can't do anything about it because you're too young to know what's going on. When you finally realize that there was a simpler way out before you were concious and learning, before you saw the light of day and began making decisions or living a real life unteathered to another living being, a way out that would save your mother an agonizing and miserable life at the expense of your currently miserable life, wouldn't you take it, regardless of what some overly-religious people that aren't in your shoes says? I would.

Many people who have abortions do so because they cannot afford to raise their child, either due to monetary status, being to young or simply not having the responsibility to carry it out, so I believe it's perfectly acceptible to avoid bringing another human into this world to save them and you from a life of misfortune and misery. Regardless of how concious the baby is of its surroundings or how truly alive you claim it to be, it has not yet begun to learn of the world, act on its own or live dependant of its mother, so I do not believe that it should be considered murderous to end its life before its natural birth to prevent it from coming into the world unwanted.
>> Anonymous
4 CHAN POLITICS FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
>> Xuxa942
No.268265

for lack of anything better to say

"for the win"
>> Anonymous
>>268257
And if you realized how much that dude looks like Seinfeld & recognized his delivery style, you'd have figured out it's a joke... an obvious joke.
>> Anonymous
It's only ok if the aborted mess is given to a person who would otherwise die of starvation. Anyone who disagrees is inhumane.
>> Anonymous
>>268265
*sniff*
>> Anonymous
Screw abortion. Infanticide ftw.
>> Anonymous
>>268265
Actually, the whole "poor pregnant teenage girl" scenario is not the typical cause of abortions. In truth, its mainly middle-aged women with careers that just dont feel like dealing with a child at the time. :(
>> Anonymous
>>268236
You do realize how few "life threatening cases" there are with modern technology, right?
>> Anonymous
>>268198
Yea, seems that way, doesnt it? Women get away with murder and the man has no say so, even though the kid is half his...
>> Anonymous
Why do you care about these stupid babies? Just let the damn dyke wait until she has the desire for a child rather than being forced to raise a bag of flesh that she will always harbor resentments toward. Also, when I am president, birth control will be powerful and plentiful and herpies will be cured.
>> Anonymous
>>268314
Of course, if the woman wants it, the man absolutely has to help pay for it.
>> Anonymous
Thanks, now I can't sleep...
>> Anonymous
You're welcome.
>> Anonymous
Good thing bitches don't know bout my dick.
>> Anonymous
>>268194
Abortions for everybody! Make them mandatory! And kill the Jews!

..or how about you stop fucking trolling for intelligent opinions on a porn board.
>> Anonymous
>>268313
Etopic preganancy, cancers, IUDS that are 'misplaced' - just to name the few I'm personally aware of.

I'm Atheistic but I'd take a Catholic perspective on this one. Still think contraception should be half and half responsibility though.
>> Anonymous
>>268312
Agreed. Most states need parental notification for teens, or have alternative programs set up.

The majority of women who abort are middle aged, because they
A) Don't need another child
B) Don't want one
C) Are concerned about downs syndrom, which increases in prevalence as a woman has children over 30 years of age.

So in other words, its usually pretty selfish.
>> Anonymous
>>268396
No reason to make it illegal.
>> Ureshii
I personally don't understand the Religious Right's stance on this. They don't like abortions? Well, OK then fine. But they are also against contraception. People aren't going to stop having sex anytime soon, especially not when Bible-thumpers are harping on and on about how it is wrong and sinful. So if the Christians don't like the idea of abortion, then they better support contraception. Sure, there's the concern that it encourages sexual activity but the truth is if contraception were illegal the number of abortions would skyrocket...people aren't going to change their behaviors. Good, devout, practicing Christians don't need contraception in theory, after all, because they only have sex to procreate! The only way Jesus ever advocates for spreading Christianity is by example and helping others in the Lord's name (the parable of salt and light), so shouldn't real Christians be trying to show people that pleasures of the flesh are only transient, empty pleasures and let the fornicators do their thing safely at least until the point the sinner turns from their sinful ways (like recreational sex for example)?
>> Anonymous
>>268408
Yup, it's just too bad 99% of christians are non-practicing hypocrites.
>> Ureshii
And since I love playing Devil's advocate, if everyone is born and dies only with the Lord's knowledge and approval, then if a child scheduled for abortion were meant to be born, wouldn't the Lord make sure the kid somehow was not aborted but delivered into the world? Really, it seems to me that the issue of abortion is debated only on two principles: when does life really begin and is recreational sex ok or not (and that is a question of personal responsibility)? Now think about this: many infants die well before delivery by natural means...if they have souls from the beginning and are sinless children, then that means there are winged angelic fetuses flying around up there, right? Isn't that kind of a silly concept?
>> Anonymous
>>268408
oh the religious leaders know that people won't stop the lovin'...
population++ = sex - contraceptive - abortion
>> Anonymous
>>268413
Wouldn't that give people license to stab other people in the face?

Babies are full of sin to Catholics, original sin, hence some of teh drama.
>> Anonymous
This discussion is misplaced. Sage because it's not actually contributing anything to /gif/

>>268265
I was raised in an environment like that. No, it's not fun but I think it's made me stronger.

As for my feelings on abortion, I say unless there are extenuating circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, birth and upbringing, it shouldn't be allowed. An unwanted child is no reason to abort one. If you fucked up, then you should take responsibility for that kid and live with the mistake.

If delivery is likely to cause complications for the mother, then abortion should be an option. This is rare these days but it can still happen.

If the mother concieved through rape, then it should also be an option.

Finally, if the parents are in a position where they are incapable of raising the child either emotionally or financially, it should be an option.

I bring all the above up because>>268312makes a good point. My boss at work has had 6 abortions now. Shes my fucking boss.

>> Anonymous
>>268441
Through sex?

And what if the woman is the one doing the raping? Then should it be ok? Huh? HUH???
>> Anonymous
Guess we don't have anymore orphanages anymore so the only option is abortion...
>> Anonymous
^^ redundancey(sp) ftl
>> Anonymous
>>268441
An unwanted child IS a reason for abortion. You said it yourself, it's fine in the case of rape, but that's not the "babies" fault. Is it really that big a deal? No.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>268517
because maddox is so edgy
>> Anonymous
How many babies does it take to paint a house? Depends on how hard you throw them.
>> Anonymous
>>268382
Yes, those are legitimate reasons that a loss of the child's life could occur. In those cases, the death of the child is viewed as an unfortunate side effect of saving the mother. I was mainly referring to the people that bring up the "complications during birth" excuse when I mentioned "life threatening cases" a few posts up.
>> Anonymous
>>268406Plenty of reason to make it illegal.

Fixed
>> Anonymous
>>268408
Nope. The main reason for sex is to procreate, yes. However, if it were only meant for that, why would it be pleasurable? That makes no sense.
>> Anonymous
If raising the child yourself is such a burden, couldn't you just give it up for adoption? I think that's better than killing it.
>> Anonymous
>>268582
The pleasure is an reward/motivation to procreate. The more an animal likes doing something the more an animal will do it. More fucking more babies. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>> Anonymous
>>268586
Funny how no one ever brings that up.
Why is that?
>> Anonymous
It's a damn cluster of cells. Ask an embryologist, ask a neuroscientist, if it doesn't have a brain it isn't a human life. I don't care what your idiotic obsolete religion has to say.
>> Anonymous
>>268595
Why is it that fuckwits never bring up overpopulization? Who gives a shit if theres not enough food or money to go around! Just toss your babies out on someone else's doorstop.
>> Anonymous
>>268595
Once the mother sees the baby, they get attached and have a much harder time letting go.
Plus, growing up in an orphanage or being shipped between foster parents isn't exactly paradise.
>> Ninevrise0AV
My mother wanted to have an abortion when she was pregnant with me, but my father talked her out of it. I have lived in what>>268265
has described. I do not feel bad for my mother. She brought it on herself. I hate her and I hate my father even more.

>>268314
We get the choice to kill or not kill because we DON'T get the choice of wether or not you bastards will stick around, and because we have to have the goddamn thing INSIDE us, LEACHING off our bodies, and because men won't acept responsibility for not wearing a condom. So yes we at least get abortion in our favor.

>>268320
Not true. If you did pay for one, you had no legal obligation to do so.

>>268586
If you had ever been in a foster home you would know the answer to that.
>> Anonymous
im pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-stem cell research.

if you notice, each of those things involves another human NOT BEING BORN.
>> Anonymous
>>268236
"Well actually, I'm against it. Except in the life-threataning case."

No one is "Pro Abortion.
Earlier I posted a thread about a Catholic Cardinal saying sten cell worker should be excommunicated. I fall on the woman's side. Their body, their choice!

or.......you can be part of a lost generation that missed out on stem cell benefits because Baptist witch doctors opposed it.
Ergo ....Pro Choice!
>> Anonymous
The weak need to die.

Kill the very young, the very old, the infirm, the terminally ill (thats AIDS bearers too), the mentally ill, the mentally retarded.

Leave only the healthy ones and administer a test to see if they're capable parents.

Sterilize the failures.

you can thank me later.
>> Anonymous
>>268715
Gene pool turns into gene puddle, we lose great artists/writers/whatever the fuck else, and in the end we'll still have shit that skipped a generation or something so it'll be pointless.
Nice try though.
>> Anonymous
>>268718

Heh the gene pool is stagnant and it needs the minister of chlorine! What about adding social/behavioral to the mix?

such as executing everyone on death row immediately, then starting on the bigtime felons such as murderers, rapists, child molesters, organized criminals and gang leaders. Just shoot em through the bars. easy as pie.

Chinese style punishments such as summary executions (you murder, you die), castrations (goodbye rape-y bits) and amputations (wont steal again, willya?) on the spot.
>> Anonymous
>>268707
>>No one is "Pro Abortion.

Wrong. Childfree hardcore are.
>> Anonymous
>>268721
Murdering in self defense doesn't mean you're not the perfect human.
Statutory rape when the woman lied about her age doesn't mean you're not the perfect human.
Child molestation is sometimes open to interpretation - if you have sex with a 12 year old in a country where that is legal, it doesn't mean you're not the perfect human.
Being smart enough to organize crime doesn't mean you're not the perfect human.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
>> Anonymous
>>268726

Killing in self defense if its proven would be exempt. If you kill someone 'cause you didnt like their face or what they said..you die.
Statutory rape wont happen (too often) if you insist on an ID and a signed statement.
"Age of consent" varies, does that excuse going under it?
if you're smart enough to organize crime, then you should be smart enough to not get into it in the first place. intelligence isnt an excuse.

eye for an eye gets things done.
>> Anonymous
>>268742
-So you'd have to prove that you're innocent to be exempt...isn't that against your plan?
-Screw me, but I thought asking for a signed contract of conesent was a bit of a mood-killer.
-I think you're missing by point by now, which is that there is no perfect black and white of who should die and who shouldn't.
-You still believe that crime doesn't pay, huh? Especially organized crime?

Eye for an eye isn't efficient at all, unless you're into corruption and terrible punishment. In a society controlled by you, everyone would suffer without hope of education or help - all in the name of creating a perfect society.
Perfect.
>> Anonymous
>>268282
Not even...
Check out SA's recent bad movie reviews. He just donloaded this gif off of SA and posted it in /gif/
>> Anonymous
>>268749

I was wondering when someone would start to disagree. apparently the first part is acceptable but the social stuff isnt, interesting.

in truth.. I dont believe what I wrote should be done. I wanted to see what reactions there would be if any.

Your points are all valid, of course and good ones too. It's been interesting. Thank you. Sorry if I worked you up over this.
>> Anonymous
>>268265
I love you. Please let me suck your cock/cunt.
>> Anonymous
>>268238
>>268257
are so fucking ignorant that it astounds me.
>> Anonymous
longthread is loooooooong.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
i think babies should be selected at random, aborted, and eaten. good times.
>> Anonymous
>>268194
Agreed. But most people think that giving a child up for adoption and letting someone else raise that child is more inhumane than killing it....go figure...
>> Anonymous
One word to summarize why abortion is good: rape.
>> Anonymous
>>268589
So, youre putting humans on the same intelligance level as basic animals...that goes both ways. Do you realize how many animals eat their own young?
>> Anonymous
Yeah. all the smart ones.
>> Anonymous
the only good baby is a dead one.
>> Anonymous
>>268815
1% of rapes end in pregnancy. Even with a prenancy in these cases, people fail to mention the mothers of these children feel so much depression and so much sadness that they klll themselves as a result of aborting the child. In many cases, a child can be a cure for the rape iteslf. Dont let all the abortion hype misguide you. If a woman who's been raped gets pregnant, its actually good for her to go thru with it because the child shows that something good can come of something bad after all. Killing the child tends to make things worse...the baby is half the woman's, after all.
>> Yetti
Everyone shut up.
It all stems from whether christianity is true or not, and until that issue is resolved, this cannot be put to bed.
And before yoou jackasses ask me how exactly this is rooted in religious debate, it is because the issue is more or less resolved when one question is answered.
"Do babies have souls?"
Since that won't be answered until the Rapture, post gifs and shut it.
>> Anonymous
>>268757
Crap, me too. I just wanted to argue.
>> Anonymous
>>268194
what the hell is that gif from source plys