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Anonymous
Melee beats brawl
>> anon
wavedashing FTW
>> Anonymous
XD mind telling me the ways of wavedash?
i knew it awhile ago..
But now its all about the brawl.
>> Namefag-5327-0631-9473
faggots
>> Anonymous
Wavedashin is for pussies
>> Anonymous
>>1077020
Poorfag couldn't get a Wii so he hates
>> Anonymous
/v/ is broken, oh god. oh god.
>> Anonymous
Answer to thread:
(Yes, I could Wavedash)

OP is fag who has to play fairly, believe it or not to other people. He cries, also sucks in Brawl

/thread
>> Anonymous
Agreeing with OP.
Wait until the excitement wears off, you'll realize that Brawl is utter shit compared to Melee.
>> Anonymous
awww da widdle cheapasses miss their lame tactics...shame.
>> Anonymous
Brawls owns all simply for the fact that it has snake.... end of discussion.
>> Anonymous
Lol at fags who can't use their awesome wavedashing skills online.

Learn to actually play the game as intended.
>> Anonymous
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Original FTW
>> sage
Poor tourneyfags are sad that wavedash is gone. Q_q

Haha.
>> Anonymous
Sorry i couldnt hear you over the sound of CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK
>> Anonymous
>>1077305

It's no one's fault but your own that you sucked ass at melee. Griping about a glitch that turned out to make the game the MOST FUCKING TECHNICAL AND IN DEPTH fighter ever made just makes you look like an ass-raped bitch.

Brawl is a dumbed down version of perfection which only served to remove a great deal of actual skill from the game. There was nothing stopping your sorry ass from playing melee as a fun and casual fighter. Removing the melee mechanics that prevented it from being a skill-less button masher leaves you with an enjoyable but POOR QUALITY game.
>> Anonymous
>>1077323

And L Canceling, double jump canceling, dash dancing (replaced by a lame ass foxtrot), crouch canceling, canceled grabs, and directional influence. In addition to that they severely nerfed tether recoveries, the mid-air dodge, the half-jump, and the physics engine feels like moving in molasses. The only mechanical feature that was improved is the power shield, but they fucked even that up by removing analog shielding.

The good points of brawl are in everything but the mechanics of the game. New characters are fantastic, as is the subspace emissary, as is the computer AI (it is not stupid anymore), as are the number of unlockable songs, stages, and more. Brawl is the perfect fighter outside of gameplay, but that in no way excuses the total nerf of nearly every amazing feature which made melee into the most precise and artistic fighter of our time.
>> Anonymous
>>1077373
Agreed.
>> Anonymous
>>1077373
It did feel like something was off. It's nothing to fly into a fit, but I can see where you're coming from. I am glad just to see wavedashing gone. There's just part of me that likes to see cheap exploits removed.
>> Anonymous
needs moar GG
>> Anonymous
>>1077367
It made it so who ever wins isn't the one being cheap the fastest anymore.
>> Anonymous
>>1077438

It's not cheap when everyone can do it fool. Oh wait, you can't, because you suck. Why is that my fault? Why do you feel the need to endorse what amounts to a petty vindictive streak against people that actually enjoy taking a physics engine to its limits? Your entire argument amounts to schoolyard jealousy that no one over the age of 12 should be proud to possess.

No one is stopping you from locating other people who suck at the game and having plenty of fun with them. You're completely, totally free to ignore the fact that the wavedash exists and play casually. The fact is that a -fighting game- is a competitive affair, and calling for a removal of a feature that in NO WAY affects your gameplay at all (unless you are a masochist, in which case your argument dissolves). If you really want to resort to calling a set of universally available fighting styles "cheap" then why don't you just play the single player mode and get out of the fire?

It's not as if these things are available only to a few characters in melee. Even when they vary in effectiveness that is no different than any other move; people have different smash attacks and different wavedashes. Removing it is akin to melting all of the icecream in the world because you are lactose intolerant. It's petty, selfish, and does not help you suck any less at the game. All you are doing is causing needless irritation.
>> Anonymous
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>>1077465
Tl;Dr
>> Anonymous
>>1077465

Melting ice-cream would still leave the cream or milk that you are intoletant to and as such serves no purpose at all.
>> Anonymous
>>1077397

4chan is a fantastic place to express irritation, especially when most of the people that I know in real life (who happened to play melee) can't do any of the things that I mentioned. I'd rather piss off anonymous people on the internet than lose friends, even if I am right.

Hell, even if wavedashing is legitimately gone, why take out something so simple as the crouch cancel? That one even actually makes sense! If your center of gravity is lowered then you should not get hit as far.
>> Anonymous
>>1077474

Fine then, change it to "completely obliterate the molecules which formed the structure of all icecream in the universe." No analogy will be perfect, but in both cases, you are imposing a silly restriction on other people based on your own shortcomings.

It would be different if people even needed those things to win. It's not as if I start suddenly losing against my friends who couldn't do them in melee; people who were good in melee will adapt (quickly) to brawl as well, but the end result is still a restriction on the potential expression of one's manual dexterity and timing.

Pretend I cut off the dominant hand of every pro-boxer. The best ones will most likely remain the best. That does not change the fact that they no longer have a freakin' hand.
>> Anonymous
I agree with nearly everything about Anon is saying. Brawl feels much less awesome then melee ever did, I absolutely hate Subspace Emmisary, due to the fact that the AI is ridiculously smart, and most of the characters they give you are super hard to hit and run away before they are counterattacked, resulting in death.

Melee was the best, and probably will be the best.

Normalized runspeeds is bullshit, everyone runs at like the same pace now, making lighter characters slower, and speeding up heavier ones. Jump heights are lowered, but airtime is reduced.

Seriously, these like changes make Brawl nearly unplayable, I still have games I'd rather play over Brawl, Army of two, finish up Drake's fortune, hell, I'd rather pop in Melee again then play Brawl at this point.
>> Anonymous
And by airtimes reduced, I mean airtimes lengthend
>> Anonymous
>>1077367
>Removing the melee mechanics that made it a skill-less button masher leaves you with an enjoyable but HIGH QUALITY game.
fix'd
>> Anonymous
Ok, so even if wave dashing was removed, why did they fuck with a perfect system?

Jumps were fine, individual player speeds were fine, strong characters were slow and super powerful, now they all seem slow and weak, so whats the deal Nintendo?
>> Anonymous
>>1077490

Have you SEEN the stuff that you can do in melee? Have you seen a waveshine before, or a link bomb jump, or a canceled air attack to a grab, or a really nice chain-grab, or a truly vicious string of shot-hop back-kicks that allow a character to literally juggle you off of the stage and make it back alive? Have you ever seen falcon do the moonwalk? Are you aware that -all- of it (save chain-grabbing) has a counter? Are you aware that all of these things require immaculately precise timing and coordination and predictive power? Do you have any idea what is meant by the word "skill"? Do you realize that I'd still beat the shit out of you in brawl if you can't do any of those things, and that plenty of other people will still be better than me? The first time I ever learned about well, any of these things, was me getting my ass handed to me by someone. I didn't piss and moan about how unfair it was; I learned how to do them.

On a slightly redeeming note, brawl does have one pretty cool physics trick so far: the reverse jump. You can get a running start and quickly turn yourself around on the stage before jumping, preserving your momentum. This lets characters like Ike get a fast move in when combined with a short jump.

>Normalized runspeeds is bullshit, everyone runs at like the same pace now, making lighter characters slower

That's not really true. Run sonic next to link and it's pretty obvious. Much as I have to gripe about brawl, it didn't destroy the basic formula.
>> Anonymous
Yeah, but sonic's thing is speed, I don't have him yet but surely he's the fastest.

Everyone is slower then in Melee, Mario used to be pretty quick, now he's all sluggish, I think the best comparision in Brawl to Melee is fox, Fox is soooo much slower now, and while he could've been made a tad bit slower, he got super shafted in speed
>> Anonymous
in melee, bowser was the worst character ever, against shiek or marth he didn't stand a chance...

you wouldn't notice this however, if you played normaly...but once you say "final destination, no items!" you pretty much make it about speed.

in brawl, this was negated, so thank god for that.

P.S. Game and Watch hit's HARD now.
>> Anonymous
>>1077522

All fighting games have better and worse characters, and this is still true in brawl; which ones are better and worse has just been shifted around a little bit, like Kirby. How is this relevant to the changes made from melee to brawl?
>> Anonymous
Angry melee guy going to sleep now. Thanks for being my therapist /gif/!
>> Anonymous
I looked at this thread, came back hours later, and it sounds like a bunch of crying wave dashing faggots complaining still because they can't do their technique anymore. Learn to play the game as intended, as someone said before, you faggots.
>> Anonymous
>>1077529
i don't think it's as extreme this time around...Aparently King DeDeDe is supposed to be "one of the best" but i have no problem with him against anyone. So why is he so good? I never feel like any character is that great this time around, they're all pretty balanced.

sonic kinda sucks though.
>> Anonymous
Brawl is SUPPOSED to be different, you're not supposed to pick up brawl and play it just like melee, if it were then no one would buy it.

On Wavedashing etc: While I respect the skill involved, I personally take issue when someone is beating you using moves not listed in any game documentation (add to that that the person usually laughs at you and refuses to tell you how to do it)
>> Anonymous Anonymous
>>1077536
Just to point out, they made more than a few updated versions of Melee over the time it was out, 2 people who bought their copies in different years rarely had the exact same game.
Nintendo knew about Wavedashing throughout all of these updated versions, the only version they didn't know about it for was the 1st. They never removed it, even in the PAL (European) version which had the biggest changes in it from one update to the next.
It is fair to say Wavedashing was a glitch from fucking with the physics engine. It is not fair to say that, after the 1st update came out, Nintendo didn't intend for people to use it.
They left it in for a reason. They just wanted to go a different direction with Brawl than with Melee, just as they did with the original when changing to Melee.
>> Anonymous
Lol you guys are wankers. I'm gonna go play the original now.
>> Anonymous Anonymous
Also, there are more than just a few at least semi-advanced techs in Brawl thus far, such as the mentioned one which preserves forward momentum but makes you jump be backward.
Samus also has one which gives you backward jump animation but your still technically facing the other way (similar to the 1st, but slightly different)
Then theres Dash canceling where mid dash you can turn it into an UpSmash. this may be Snake exclusive (only seen it done with him), but that makes it no less valid.
Snake also has one where in air you tap Down B twice very quickly to lay a C4 and blow it up immediately, giving you back your Up B. you can do this as many times as you want, making him have the best recovery thus far.

Brawl is definitely not dumbed down (at least not completely), just very very different.
For an example of how good you can still be, look up Hylian's Samus on Youtube.
Brawl hasn't been around long, and Melee was still having new tricks found out just before Brawl came out (such as the Hylian Low rider), Its fairly safe to say that Brawl will likely be as in depth as Melee.
Its merely a different game, and i for one wouldn't be surprised if both stayed on the competitive circuit for years to come, since they are so vastly different.
>> Anonymous Anonymous
sorry, i meant Dash attack canceling where mid dash attack you can turn it into an UpSmash.

Also Foxtrotting. cant forget that one.
>> Anonymous
Don't you guys think they have to rethink the whole system to make it fair for other characters and all the new ones that bring a new dynamic to the game, i mean in melee if someone was sheik you HAD to pic a fast character too or your ass was grass now, they made so you don't necessarily have to pic a really fast character to win and that sells games. I don't think this game was built with tourneyfags in mind anyway, if your so angry go play melee. I'm sure some anon is hard at work out there inventing new and exciting ways to exploit new glitches found in brawl, hell why don't you be that anon then you can beat the shit out of everyone with your uber skills/wizardry/magic/voodoo
>> Anonymous
sonic kicks ass, the only way a character sucks is if you cant use them, everyone is pretty balanced, and each is easy to use, its just each has a way they are meant to be played, and you have to be willing to play that way.
>> Anonymous
I agree with the idea that exploits will be found, so I reserve judgement.
I miss Jigglypuff though. I rocked ass the legit way with JP.
>> Anonymous
When it comes down to it.
Me and my homies had massive fun with Melee, we didn't know about the wavedash or w/e, we just kicked it and had a good time.

We aren't impressed with Brawl.
>> Anonymous
NO WEAPONS NO ITEMS NO POWERUPS ONLY FOX, FINAL DESTINATION
>> Anonymous
i have a wii, and i have brawl, and even i agree it sucks... the N64 version is better than brawl for that matter... and the online mode, lags like fuck, and its not my dsl.

brawl ftl.
>> Anonymous
>>1077373
look faggot, brawl has been out for like less than a week where you are.
wait seven years and im sure all the little glitches and shit that made melee so "technical" will have been discovered again
i bought brawl and i like it better than melee, its slower and more deliberate, but my faggot friends refuse to accept change and wont play it because its too slow for them and the item frequency cant be turned up to "very high"
>> Anonymous
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Did I ACTUALLY see someone call SMASH BROTHERS the most "in depth fighting game"?

Fucking LOL, that that deserves some applause.
>> Anonymous
who else here played melee with the item switch set to bombs and pokeballs only, and very high frequency?
>> Anonymous
>>1077626
srsly, I never even considered it a "fighting game" at all, the only way to win is with a ringout, which gets easier to do the more you bash on them.

It's closer to a wrestling game than a fighting game.
>> Anonymous
I don't know what to think about wave dashing. I never saw it being used and if I did I never noticed it. I played the game like it was intended. I don't see why wave dash is a big deal, though.
>> Anonymous
>>1077236

Poor fool has no skills so he plays brawl
>> Anonymous
Whining about it won't help faggots, and no, it wasn't near the most in-depth fighter because everyone who knew anything used Fox only.
>> Anonymous
>>1077614
Jigglypuff is in brawl you fuckin moron
>> Anonymous
>>1077632
>the only way to win is with a ringout
>It's closer to a wrestling game than a fighting game

This man speaks truth.
>> Anonymous
You fuckers are all just pissed that you can't do all the same exploits in brawl that you could in melee. You keep saying skill this and wavedash that, but you're really just mad that unforseen glitches in the game that WEREN'T hard to do in the first place are being removed. I've still seen people rape at this game, including a yoshi knocking someone off the stage, hopping off and pounding them into the floor, and making it back in time.
For one thing it is still about skill because you still are gonna get raped by bad timing or the wrong choice of move, and for another just wait until people start finding exploits in brawl. I guarantee they exist.
>> Anonymous
no, Brawl>melee cuz sakurai took out all the bugs that nerds used to make a bland/cheep playing style. plus its more fun
>> Anonymous
I'm pissed that they changed the friggen Physics, fuck the wavedash, I could care less, why the lower jump heights? I want a high mobility high speed game, not this pos.
>> Anonymous
Were people wave dashing and L canceling in Melee a week after it came out?

That's right... It's too early to tell what Brawl's metagame will look like
>> Anonymous
ITT: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>> Anonymous
ITT: Bitches get trolled
>> Daddy The Father !!rRI6De1BbN8
>>1077626

Agreed 100%. To be fair, Melee does have plenty of depth, but by no means whatsoever is it #1 in that category.

Also, Guilty Gear FTW.
>> Anonymous
Brawl > All
>> Anonymous
Tourneyfags will find their "advanced techniques" soon enough and then they will all shut up.

Or better yet, why dont you all never touch brawl and just stick with melee so I wont have to hear retarded names for stupid shit like the "Metaknight crossbar".
>> Anonymous
Wave dashing newfags, SSB64 is the way to go.
>> Anonymous
hi i live in connecticut and i win all the melee tournaments here and beat the number 1 player in the world, i am a tourneyfag and dont care about brawl.
>> Daddy The Father !!rRI6De1BbN8
Also, I LOL @ how Melee's depth hinges on so many glitches. Third Strike, in contrast, has glitch-based techniques, but nothing ridiculous like (Super) Wavedashes and the like. Advance play is more squarely in the realm of normal mechanics, which makes tourney matches a lot more fun to watch IMO.

Personally, I like that they took all that crap out of Brawl. It makes the game more fun, not having to learn every possible way to "game" the system just to get your foot in the door.
>> Anonymous
lol, I didn't even know that all these moves have names, and I don't really care.

SSB is one part party game, and two parts Nintendo nostalgia. I just don't see it as a serious fighter.

Are people this obsessed over the latest Mario Party/Golf/Tennis/Kart?
>> Anonymous
>>1077626
You, sir, win big.
>> Anonymous
Video games are supposed to be fun.

Grow up, kids.
>> Anonymous
>>1077843

the other games dont have quite as much depth to allow for a competetive game environment.
>> Anonymous
Original N64 SSB was better than Melee. No contest.

Haven't played brawl yet, I's a po' boy.
>> Anonymous
>>1077716
Seriously, if brawl is so disappointing then stfu and stick with melee
>> Anonymous
I cants has wave dash nao?
>> Anonymous
i personally think brawl is amazing... whast so bad about it?
>> Anonymous
Tourneyfags will find ways to exploit minor glitches in the programming of Brawl, too.

Just give it time.

Then when the next Super Smash comes out (godwilling) there will be another thread of now tact-less tourneyfags crying over the loss of their once coveted "I win" button glitch.

I don't really care about wavedash or whatever the fuck people have come up with in Melee. I thoroughly enjoy video games, Smash particularly, but I preserve the fact in my mind that it is a GAME meant to be enjoyed -- not a next-gen cryptograph for me to spend weeks of time poring over to discover its hidden secrets.

Some people play the game, other people manipulate the game; but they're still playing. A friend of mine more or less showed me how to wavedash and i can do it once every couple tries with like... Luigi, the wavedash king. It's really not that big a deal.

And people, you got trolled hard. WOW did you get trolled hard.
>> Anonymous
to the people who say Brawl sucks:
my dick needs some sucking.

to everyone else:
my dick needs some sucking.

SOMEBODY SUCK MY DICK NOW!!
>> Anonymous
IT sounds like a lot of tourney melee or wanna-be tourney melee players are full of QQ because they lost their Repetition based edge and now natural skill and mental trapping have become much more important then the ability to use a repetitive button combination in order to have a edge over casual players they take so much pride in stomping before.

I played tournament Melee, and to be honest, it was unbalanced and junky(really only4 playable chars), Brawl is superior, once you stop boohooing that you can actually lose to some of your friends who don't play seriously, you'll be able to see that.
>> Anonymous
unbalanced shitty game sucks. i played much better balanced games failed.
>> Anonymous
>>1077367
I don't play shit cheap games lols stop posting faggot games.
>> Anonymous
ssb is more of a party game than a fighting game

this dumbing down of mechanics was what nintendo wanted to make it more accessable for everyone

stop acting like exploiting the piss poor physics of melee was anything more than just that, exploiting
>> Anonymous
Honestly, If you hate Brawl cause they fixed glitches then go eat a sandwich, get into bed, fall asleep, wake up, eat breakfast, and then choke on a Crunch Berry.

Brawl is more about learning a character and less about learning flaws in game design. GET WITH IT.

p.s. Sonic LOVES Chili Dogs
>> Anonymous
Within a month or two the Brawl metagame will be as developed as Melee's was. Stop your bitching.

/thread
>> Anonymous
>>1077918
just put of curiosity what were those 4 characters?
>> Anonymous
>>1077367
Wavedashing isn't part of the game, it isn't how the game should be played. Hence why it was removed in Brawl. Maybe if you played the game as it was intended you could fun with Brawl, rather than gripe over what was fixed, and i emphasize that it was FIXED.
>> Anonymous
Who cares?
>> Anonymous
>>1078089
All these kids do apparently.
>> Anonymous
FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEEEEEE
>> Yakbob
ITT: We argue about things that dont matter
>> Daddy The Father !!rRI6De1BbN8
>>1078145
Since when did ANYTHING on /gif/ matter? This is the last place I'd debate on serious topics.

>>1077918
Exactly.
>> Anonymous
>>1077967
lol i still think they should have gotten sonic's voice done by jaleel white.
>> Anonymous
>>1078177
Whoa, are you saying you'd seriously debate topics on /b/ before /gif/?
>> Daddy The Father !!rRI6De1BbN8
>>1078191
I wouldn't debate serious topics ANYWHERE on this site.

>>1078178
Agreed. Chili dogs FTW.
>> Anonymous
Brawl is slower than melee. I don't want Mortal Kombat, I want Smash Bros. Show me some skill instead of button mashing for the win. Melee is better than brawl to me at the moment, but luckily, after the 7 hours spent in subspace, I feel like I could take on any retarded kid in melee. I hope that MLG keeps Melee as their fighter instead of Brawl- at least for the time being.
>> sage
>>1078365
You do realize that MLG kicked melee of the roster almost 2 years ago right? And that Evo picked it up?
>> Anonymous
Why is a /v/ thread on my /gif/? And are people actually posting in it?
>> Anonymous
>>1078365

Good point. Nm. Melee is still faster.
>> Anonymous
In a way, this dumb argument reminds me of the Halo 2 vs Halo 3 debate because you cant do the "bxr" glitch or whatever, so they were all "omgz halo 3 is the worstz eva". Dont get me wrong, i still liked halo 2 better, just not for that reason.
>> Anonymous
/V/ is that way losers--->
>> Anonymous
ITT:

Tourneyfags BAAAAWW over their obsolete games.
>> Anonymous
>>1078408
Are you fucking serious? This is 4chan. You're not exactly the coolest person on Earth either for being here.
>> Anonymous
Why is speed important? Why compare it to the previous game when A NEW FUCKING COMPANY headed by the same director made it? The director is one person, and everyone else is probably new. They changed it to be more balanced and realistic, and I have no problem with this. They did the same with Timesplitters 3. Slower but still fun, but since I don't have TS3 I'll stick to TS2. Reason why I'm buying Brawl when it comes to the U.K., since it'll be the newest version and worth a try.
As for those who win by glitches, stop wasting your time with a glitch that works for all and work on each character for true perfection.