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Ok, with his presidency coming to an end, and the imminent release of a movie based on his life/presidency, and books soon to follow, I pose this question:

Given all that happened, how do we rate Bush as a president?

My opinion, and I'm not saying he was a great president, is that he took a lot of excess shit. I mean, the guy had to deal with a massive terrorist attack, and all sorts of other shit. Now I'm not saying that the way we handled Iraq is right, but I think it was something that needed to be done. I know a lot of people say we went to Iraq because of 9/11, but we went to Afghanistan because of 9/11, we went to Iraq to stop Saddam.

Do you guys think that it was justified to take out Saddam, a guy who was willing to kill his OWN people? Surely it was a matter of time before he came after the US, right?

I don't know, I'm not a huge Bush supporter, but at the same time, I don't think he's led the worst presidency ever. I mean, Nixon was a lot worse, and several older presidents did things that hurt america much more then Bush has.

Anyways, I just wanted to get your guys take on it.
>> Anonymous
Great president or the greatest president?
>> Anonymous
Well, he's not my president but I am pissed about the Iraq and get the rest of the world to follow if they can attitude when it was all lies to begin with. Hundreds and hundreds of $50k missals to put the smack down on where? Who really knows how many innocent lives were lost on that 'Shock and Aw' attack. Millions, if that were put into other ways of subversion... would be so much better. It was so poorly thought out. Dissolving the Iraq army? Way to let the bad eggs go.

Anyways, we should actually just blame Cheney for that.

Has Bush been effective? I hate some of the laws he repelled. Like when he allowed people to own high rate small arm machine guns available again. Clinton restricted them.

The offshore drilling deal. Stupid! It won't yield oil for 8 - 12 years! How is that going to help us NOW? Solid seabed platforms just don't appear overnight. My Dad ran one for 5 years. Big big money is needed too. Begin taking up welding and go for undersea welding and you'll have a job for decades.

Like Alberta and its bitrium oil, I think North, or South Dakota have 5 times more than Alberta. Its just deeper. In Alberta they think it'll last a 100 years easy...

Anyways, back to Bush. Okay, so he happen to have an attack on his watch. It happened before to... Bush senior? When was the Trade Buildings basement bombed? So 9/11 happened, but why the 1 million name watch list? Why the illegal data mining? Isolationism just won't keep you safe. You'll probably die in a car accident before you are a victim of another attack. They pedal fear to make a buck.

But I have to deal with Harper currently. Here's hoping that Layton gets closer than predicted. I'd like them to be the offical opposition.
>> Anonymous
you cant kill your neighbour because he beats his own children and you're worried he might beat up your kids next.
>> Anonymous
see that's where I differ. Mabybe its from spending a few years living in the South, but I think its more then ok to protect your family, even if preemptive action is needed. I think Bush was right in that sense. I mean, you can get into the debate over whether or not its ok for the US to be helping in other areas of the world or not, but its so tricky. Its stupid really, because Bush and the US got so much shit for going into Iraq and stopping what was happening. Did it make the world safer? Yes, it did, but were they justified in their actions? Everyone says no.

BUT....

When the slaughters in East Timor were going on, and the US stayed out of it, we were such assholes. Where do you draw the line?

I think its safe to say that no matter what the US does, they will have critics somewhere.

Help the world, and you're war loving assholes, don't help and you're a selfish isolationist fuck.
>> ???????Hood???????
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>> Anonymous
Bush really isn't as bad as people made him out to be. Really, for all the bitching about how horrible pf a person he is, "better" Presidents have done at the very least stuff as bad as he's done.

I mean, look at Lincoln.
>> Anonymous
>>1357286
How does genocide prove that Saddam would attack the US? If that's the case, how about all the other cases of genocide we choose to ignore daily?
>> Anonymous
>>1357324
The reason we get criticized for staying out of certain genocidal situations is because, in the cases of the ones we DO get involved in, we sell it as a righteous humanitarian move. We never own up to invading a country because it supports our interests, or because there's something to gain. We always claim it's because of a moral obligation. So, when we ignore other cases of genocide, it shows how transparent our reasoning is, thus opening us up for criticism.
>> Anonymous
4 more years!
>> Anonymous
>>1357376
OP here.

That is a new way of rationalizing it. I never considered that thought process before.
>> Anonymous
porn, lulz, politics
one of these things does not belong.
>> Anonymous
He will be all but forgotten in 10 years.
>> Anonymous
Let's assume some significant action had to be taken with regard to Iraq.

It should not have been prioritized higher then Afghanistan.

It was also too difficult a task for one party to take on, while telling the rest of the nation to go @#$!%^& itself. Bush ran it as his private, cheap, hidden war, and did horribly.
>> Anonymous
>>1357324

The thing is its exactly like you describe. Your neighbor is awesome. Helps keep the kids out of your yard. He helps you mow your lawn so you even lend it to him to use.

You have a beef with the neighbor across the road but really don't want to confront him. So your buddy does. Situation is put on the back burner for the time. But solved.

Flash forward for a decade. Buddy lost his job, drinks too much, doesn't help you any more. In general becomes an asshole. One night he is drunk and picks a fight with you. Nothing physical, just verbal. You've never seen him with a gun. He's never showed you a gun. But he pretends that he has one to try to prove a point in a drunk way of thinking. You have a gun. You both tell each other to fuck off and storm into your own houses. Then you come out with your gun and threaten him to show you his. But can you trust him? Or are you succumbing to your fears? To remind him you have it, you shoot holes in his house. Next thing the neighborhood shows up to see who the fuck is shooting a gun.

Anyway... stupid comparison.. but nearly fits.
>> LaBambaMan
Bush isn't the worst President we've ever had, sure, but he was still a moron.

We invaded Iraq on a bed of lies to try and gain something. The problem with the idea of "saving the Iraqi people form Saddam" is the same as "I won't buy these shows because they were made in China using child labor". My thought process is that it's their country and they can run it however they wish until they do something against international protocol. The UN may not be the most efficient thing in the world, but it's there for a damned reason. Besides, we kill our citizens(death row anyone?) and the National Guard even shot those kids in Ohio during the 'Nam protest.

The government uses the "we must stop terrorist" defense to do anything and everything they want.

A fine example of us fucking ourselves is getting involved with the Russia-Georgia conflict. Most people here in the U.S. don't even know why the Russians were shooting the Georgians. It's because the Georgians were telling people along border villages that they can't be Russian Orthodox Jews anymore, when they refused they killed innocent people. The Russians gave Georgia a chance to stop, they didn't, the Russians dropped artillery on them, then the Georgians whine to the UN(while leaving out those key beginning details) and suddenly it's all Russia's fault.

Back to Bush though. I don't like him, he made dumb mistakes. He handled 9/11 best he could and I give him credit for that, but invading Iraq and trying to play the entire country he was in charge of for fools is crossing the line.
>> Anonymous
what he did in the middle east is what he did, but he still should of just come out with it, instead of making a huge scandle out of it, he shpuld of told the world that we're gonna take the oil, now we have no oil and supporting a declining government.

also personally the way he handled katrina should of gave us proof enough of his compitance.
>> Anonymous
Iraq was cooperating with the UN ever since the first Gulf War. It was just built up tension between the UN and Iraq. They were secretive about their nuclear programs and the that we sold them material and blueprints for WMD's during the Iraq-Iran war.

This all happened between 1991 and 2003. It is just that the media didn't take notice of it until 2002-2003.
>> Anonymous
>>1357433

wasn't** My apologies.
>> Anonymous
>>1357410

Protip. Iraq doesn't have much oil. Kuwait does.
>> Anonymous
Nixon got us out of Vietnam and opened Trade Relations with China. He is only seen as a bad president because of campaign corruption and saying "nigger" on tape.
>> Anonymous
I don't think Bush was bad, just stupid as fuck. Cheney is the bad one.
>> Anonymous
>>1357503

cheney manages to shoot a guy in the face, and people still choose to mock bush over him...
>> Anonymous
he was an innocent fuck up who bit off more than he could chew.
>> Anonymous
Hmm, let's see:
-Unconstitutional and misleading reasons (WMDs) for the invasion and occupation and ultimately war of aggression of Iraq (a UN war crime)
-Poor regulators on the SEC on government spending and controls on the sub-prime mortgage market, causing the largest economic crisis ever and the eventual collapse of the dollar (and ultimately the world)
-Failure to act during hurricane Katrina
-Passing the Military Commissions act, preventing the writ of habeas corpus, jailing thousands of terrorist suspects
-Abu Ghraib torture "rendition" where the US kidnap supposed terrorists and hand them over to regimes that torture those people
-NSA warrantless surveillance on it's own citizens

http://www.impeachbush.tv/
>> Rex Kingman
>>1357494
Nixon took us off the gold standard-- bad move, it turns out.
>> Anonymous
Not a big Bush fan, but you could make a list of sins for Clinton, too.
>> Anonymous
>>1357522
No one wants to mock him because no one wants to get shot in the face.
>> Anonymous
>>1357560
lol clinton got some head on the side, what else you got?
>> Worst President Ever Anonymous
George W Bush is te worst President in the history of the United States by every objective measure.
>> Anonymous
Extraordinary rendition for the win!
>> Anonymous
Meaningful discussion? In MY /gif/?

[spoiler]It's more likely then you think.[/spoiler]
>> Anonymous
he shouldn't be pardoned for doing a shitty job just because a lot of bad things happened during his term? Several presidents have been in office during other major events (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Cold War) and they did better jobs than him
>> Anonymous
>>Do you guys think that it was justified to take out Saddam, a guy who was willing to kill his OWN people? Surely it was a matter of time before he came after the US, right?

I'm really hoping this is a troll.
>> Anonymous
I dunno, let's get some execution gifs of american soldiers and journalists and find out!
>> Anonymous
He isn't the worst president we have ever had.

That being said, I do not like the man at all. Sure, I will accept the war in Afghanistan as a necessary measure. The Iraq war is bullshit though. There are far worse regimes out there. Way worse. The difference? There was no advantage to taking them out.

More than anything else, the Iraq war is my least favorite part of the Bush presidency. There was no good reason for it. Maybe sometime in the future I will change my opinion. I doubt it though.
>> Anonymous
I like how it's been entirely ignored that perhaps bush himself is not an evil person but his presidency has been backed by the republican party- the true culprits. Since their hands have dabbled furiously in our economy as of late, things seem to have gone (Just a FUCKING bit.) down hill. So much for their fucking 'trickle down' theory.

This war, this goddamn war in Iraq, soon to be Iran, was waged by the rich in false pretenses of peace to bring about a very valuable cash crop into their possession. Don't ya' know?

It's called Oil.

Do some research, don't watch the fucking news unless you like being bored to death by biased newscasters spewing something written on a screen before them.
>> Anonymous
>Do you guys think that it was justified to take out Saddam, a guy who was willing to kill his OWN people? Surely it was a matter of time before he came after the US, right?

No, you fucking moron. It was ridiculous. And he fucking lied to get us in there. We had big time people in Iraq on our fucking payroll and they told us hey, no, we don't have any WMDs. And Bush said "Fuck it, we're going in anyway".

Good president? Not quite. The shit he did was fucking illegal. But just like Nixon said, "When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal."

Fuck that.
>> Anonymous
second worst...
In between Buchanan #1
and Hoover #2
>> Anonymous
>>1357680

Trickle-down did work with Reagan and Bush1, it just didn't show any effects until Clinton became president. The difference between then and Bush2's presidency is that after the pinches in the economy after 9/11 the rich people decided to hoard their money in prep for an economic crisis. They were the smart ones in the situation - still fucked us and all of the US over really well.
>> Anonymous
I used to be a Bush hater, just like everyone else. But I realized around the election season was starting that I was just following the crowd and parroting everything I had heard from liberal sources. I'm not a big fan of the guy now but he gets blamed for everything. Sure, Iraq was a fuckup but Christ guys, 20/20 hidesight, okay?
Saddam did need to go, and so does the Iranian Pres whose name i wont try spelling. Bush's problem is that he's not a good enough salesman. Obama is, he'll get away with murder as President.
So yeah, I'd say Bush, in the end, after all that's happened, honestly, above average. I say that because he responded to 9/11 very well and he's stuck to his guns on Iraq despite taking so much heat for it. You can't back away from Iraq, it would unstablise the region and could lead to a massive war with Israel. Most don't seem to understand that.
I think history will go easy on him, he'll still get blamed for everything for a years to come by Obama, of course. But that card will get played out and people will start to catch on.
>> Anonymous
Good president? Absolutely not.
As big of a fuckup as everyone thinks he is? Absolutely not.

But hey, OP, what do you have against Nixon? Besides some illegal things, did he really do anything terrible to the country? I'd say he was the best Republican president since Eisenhower.
>> Anonymous
>>1357735
Nixon was horrible!
He did retarded things like getting us out of Vietnam and normalizing relations with China
>> Anonymous
Best president ever: he proved to the world that the population of the US was full of imbeciles incapable of critical thinking that still believed in "democracy" and that some people in a cave with a 100,000$ budget planned 9/11.

Why stop it at 8 years? Have some more! So what if the economy, monetary system is failing, crimes rates are higher than ever, healthcare is non-existant and religion/military is still active? Embrace such fallacities! Promote them! Hell join 'em!

GFG

FYI, look up Opium production instead of oil.
>> Anonymous
>>1357740
LOL

I second that motion. Nixon gets too much shit, in reality he improved our relations with China and all Communist run governments by alot. He was wrong in the whole cover up of his cabinets actions but all presidents have negative sides to them. JFK was the biggest cheater ever, sleeping with countless women totally out pimping Bill Clinton's status, but still he was seen as a great president. Reagon was seen as an over spending douche bag, he ended the fucking cold war, how can anyone hate on reagon jesus.

Bush is an idiot, mentally he is. He says stupid things and can make stupid choices.

Do i blame him for 9/11 and a war that was forced upon him by his cabinet mainly composed of former employees of his father?
No.

I do not hate the guy, funny how right after 9/11 his approval ratings were above 90%. It was only after 2006 that his approval ratings dropped way below the half way mark. Everyone joined te band wagon on hating Bush when a couple years before they voted for him.

Iraq war was an idiotic mistake that i lay the blame on Bush's cabinet. Other than that i do not see him as the worst president ever. In my opinion it is a tie between Hoover and Carter. Hoover for causing the depression and failing to re-establish the US' Economy, and Carter for failing miserable in domestic issues regarding oil and foreign policies, mainly the Iranian Hostage crisis which he mishandled poorly.
>> Anonymous
>>to stop Saddam

From what, exactly? WMDs? Don't make me laugh.
>> Anonymous
a decade from now people will ask how it was like to live under what was basically a dictatorship, with government sanctioned wiretaps, suspension of human rights and near absolute power in the hands of one person

i will answer that it was awesome

also

>>1357842

stop him from being a psychotic dictator that tortured his own people and threatened the balance of power in the middle east

duh
>> Anonymous
>>1357286

Iraq wasn't about Saddam attacking the U.S. It was about Saddam switching his oil to be sold on the Euro instead of the Dollar. Petrodollars. Look it up.

That is THE definitive reason for intervening in the middle east. Iraq just happened to be the best place to start.

Oh, and it didn't even really pay off. If anything, it's just buying us time until we can change to another global economic policy that isn't tied to a contested and finite resource.
>> Anonymous
I actually disagree with op... I think he and DC together are perhaps much much worse than most people even realize. As a presidency this was an utter clusterfuck. Many deaths and much misery around the world are arguably his fault. He has destroyed the american ideal, he has pretty much obliterated any semblence of goodwill towards our country. Leading the majority of the country into economic ruin for the forseeable (perhaps forever) future with deficit increases.. He has pretty much spelled the end of the united states as a world power or as a "free" society which values liberty.

On top of that, he is mind-bogglingly stupid. (He confused sweden with switzerland and actually had the idiocy to argue with his own advisors that they were wrong and he was right..)

How could we have had a "worse" president? What would he have to do? Contaminate whole states with radioactive waste personally? or what?
>> Anonymous
I'd really love to see him prosecuted for war crimes. Put him in front of a tribunal at the Hague.
>> Anonymous
>>1357859

lol fat chance. he's moving to Peru

http://www.counterpunch.org/cp10202006.html

leave the man alone
>> Anonymous
his presidency has nothing to do with his person. he dealt with nothing. 90% of his energy obviously went into learning speeches by heart and trying to pronounce complicated words without disgracing himself.
>> Anonymous
>>1357843
>stop him from being a psychotic dictator that tortured his own people and threatened the balance of power in the middle east

keep telling that yourself, amerifag
>> Anonymous
>>1357870

he tried to assassinate Bush Sr

he was making chemical weaps in the 90's (operation desert fox anyone)

he repeatedly threatened Israel

the timing was probably not right, but the the idea of taking scum like him out was definitely righteous
>> Anonymous
>>1357876
you sound like a parrot
>> Anonymous
>>1357878

nope, just someone that has common sense.

as we all know eurofags have a defense mechanism that causes their scrotum's to contract into their bodies at the first sign of danger, while inhabitants of the USA instead have their scrot enlarged by natural endorphins of manliness. this enables us to face up to threats instead of appeasing them and getting shit done in general

in short: we take out the people that you hate because we have the balls and the money to do so.

your people hate us for being brash but your government will always be thankful

suck it down europe
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>> Anonymous
>>1357286
sorry OP but any time you ask 4 chan for their thoughts on some thing like this, every one throws hate at each other and fails to just post their fucking mind to the question at hand.


I would simply rate Bush Jr at a 4 out of 10 stars. I'm sure we had worse presidents then him.

I think he chose the right time to fight terrorism but he didn't do that at all. he went to war with an area of the damn planet we should just leave alone. No offence to those in that area but really, i just don't want to ever see my troops in that desert unless its a damn embassy.

Perhaps the "War" on "Terrorism" (can't go to war with Terrorism any way) should just be the war on inter continental crimes and syndicates related to it.
I want to see this kind of man power go into solving our real problems - and i'm not talking about the immigrants at all. More power to them.


>Cock, Dick, Amerifag, Leftfag, Rightfag, ect, ect.
>Roll Roll, fight the power.
>> Anonymous
>in short: we take out the people that you hate because we have the balls and the money to do so.

lol, living on the moon much?
>> Anonymous
>>1357898

while your replies have been simple "LOL UR IN DENIAL" phrases i have provided consistently logical and factual replies.

thats ok dude, i'll let the fact that all of europe likes to fuck each other in the ass at night go, but until you provide solid evidence that europe has done anything in the past 20 years to make the world a better place you can suck on my dick like a leech
>> Some one from texas. Anonymous
>>1357889
Get your cock, balls and head out of your ass and stop making the rest of us fine citizens of a country >(that shares the same planet with every other country weather your christian dicksauce can handle it or not)< look like a total fucking waste of resources. Its people like you that make decent fucking americans look like shitholes.

Stop stealing your WiFi from your neighbors and put your gun back in its fucking locker.

>rage, ect ect.
>> Anonymous
>>1357909

lol texas. your enormous state of fail can suck my asshole and blow a brown bubble. everyone i know from TX is a retarded inbred fuckneck that cant speak without that laughably bad accent

in fact you should be on your knees in front of me right now for showing the same points of view as those other people you hang out with at the trailer park, amirtyt?
>> ..Lo- ..wha? Anonymouse !!WpdFgnCYze3
>>1357912

Sooo wait, what?

Wonder what he woulda said if that post said they were in new york.

Or in Washington..

Or - Forget it.


Some one obviously needs to take a nap, they are crabby.
>> Anonymous
Bad
>> Anonymous
>>1357878
You sound like a faggot.
>> Anonymous
Looking at everything, there's not one single thing I can give Bush credit for as being "great". He earns points for ridding the world of Saddam, but invading a country under false pretenses nullifies that.

In the end, I rate him with Warren G. Harding.
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i give him 6.5/10 tbh
>> Anonymous
>>1357967
His hair grayed a lot these last few years. See what you've done to him!
>> Anonymous
not your pres.... he has been for the past 8 god damn years, and you have to follow him no matter what, now you sir, are a dumbass, for not believing.... what we did was right, and dont you forget it, the whole saddam thing, and we should stay there to continue ths war, and WIN IT, we are not their for no reson you ass hole
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Iraq WoMD, "markets know who to regulate better than the government", golfing while soldiers die, Katrina's "You're doing one hell of a job", etc.

MAybe not the worst, but certainly among them.
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There will never be a worse president than FDR.
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Reagan = 7
George Bush = 5.5
Clinton = 8
George W Bush = 0.0
>> Anonymous
president bush kills his own ppl everyday by sending them to war and having no universal health care,thats thousands of ppl a day
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universal healthcare blows im canadian do you fucking know how long i have to wait to get into an appointment due to being on that about 6 fucking months you fucking retard universal healthcare blows personally once i get enough money to move im going to move out of this liberal peice of shit country and move to a red state in the us.
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>>1357889
Please. Just because we don't bully people doesn't make us pussies. Think about how well America has done in wars.

We'd already defeated the Germans in the Battle of Britain before you joined the war (when you were forced into it --- didn't see your apparently huge balls then), so your help was useful, but not required.

Apart from that? Iraq? Vietnam?

Fuck, you even needed the French to bail you out in the War of Independence. Yeah, you would have lost a war on your own turf if it hadn't been for the French.
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>> Anonymous
Worst.
-Cronyism
-Telco spying
-Invading Iraq instead of fighting the actual terrorists
-Trying to hold off a recession with deregulation and pushing housing causing an economic crisis
-Socialist corporate welfare
The shit list goes on and on and just won't end.

I really bought that line about Saddam "kills his own people" until I seen them in action in the aftermath and realized those scum are worse than Saddam was.

Nixon had the decency to step down when something shady came up unlike Bush, standing in it's way with cronyism, executive privilege, vetoes and pardons. Nixon was a damn saint compared to Bush.
>> Anonymous
Worst president ever. Lied about WMD. Sat reading a childrens' book after being told "America is under attack" (don't think he was expecting it? wouldn't you have hauled ass to do something if you weren't?). Patriot act, 1000+ pages of legislation passed within a week of sept 11, yes they had it prepared and were waiting for an event that would allow them to pass it.

Associated Saddam with terrorists to drum up enough fervor and war hardons to make people buy into the big lie, WMD and terror links. (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/bush.war.talk/ -- "He tried to kill my dad.").

Now that it's proven fact that Saddam had no WMD (gas he used had been sold to him by USA during Reagan admin) and no terror links (Baath party was not a religious fundamentalist one, and as such had as much to fear from zealots as we do), the rationale for the war has been retconn'd to "He was an evil man, and the world is better off without him."

We are not the cops of the world. We are not going after every 2 bit dictator and warlord in every shithole in the world. This was always about oil (power), if you don't see that you're stupid or ignorant.

Blackwater. Signing statements. Katrina. Mission Accomplished. Shock and Awe (greeted as liberators). Abu Ghraib. Patriot act. Department of Homeland Security. Diebold/Fradulent elections.

More than just the worst president ever, he's a war criminal and ought to be tried as one, along with every other member of his criminal administrator.

Vote Kucinich/Paul, the only two motherfuckers with the balls to vote against the war when it counted, and always speak out on our behalf, not in the pocket of big money.

SUDDENLY, LOST WHITEHOUSE EMAILS! YEARS WORTH OF THEM!
>> Anonymous
>>1358147
Also, Mccsame said in the recent debate that he thinks that what our troops are doing is right, and that they are heroes.

If there was justice in this world, a million restless souls of innocent iraqi's would haunt his dreams and drive him mad
>> Anonymous
OMG OP IS IGNORANT
BUSH OR ANY OTHER...
THEYRE ALL PUPPETS, BUSH ONLY WAS HERE WHEN WE NEEDED A STRONG PUPPET TO KEEP THE SHOW RUNNING
FROM HOAX TO HOAX, WHOEVER IS "IN CHARGE" DOESNT MATTER. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY
>> Anonymous
The funny part is that most of the idiots that post here aren't even American! So why talk about politics with morons who will never get to vote for the next president?

And we all know that arguing about politics here of ALL places is like being in the special Olympics.

The best part about America, is if we crash fail and die economically, So will the rest of the world!

Thats what happens when other countries rely on us to much! They get fucked, one way or another.

Enjoy your failing economy! I know i will.
>> Anonymous
We didn't go to Iraq to stop Saddam, we went to Iraq because our idiot president thought the country had nukes - Which it didn't, so he made something else up.
>> Anonymous
Fun Factor: 1.5/5 :/
>> Anonymous
>>1358267
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgXfIe3WFA

i guess you won't watch "W. the movie" then?
>> Anonymous
>>1358273
bullshit, duder, the CIA/NSA/intelligence community told him and his time after time there was no good intelligence. The administration went back and told them to find intel to justify an invasion.

This shit is a matter of record. Richard Clark said it, among others
>> Anonymous
>>1358299
I meant to say, no good intelligence indicating the presence of WMD of any kind

Remember the inspectors? They didn't find shit either. Remember Colin Powell in front of the UN pointing to aluminum tubes and cargo containers as nukes and biological weapons labs, respectively?

There was NO intel to back that up, but they said it anyway.

It was about oil, and power, and revenge, and profit for his buddies.

Worst. Ever.
>> Anonymous
>>1357286
What president did worse than pissing off most of the world, put the country 5 trillion dollars more in debt, declared an unnecessary war, and never learned from his mistakes. There simply isn't an American president worst than George W. Bush.
>> Anonymous
I liked Bush too but what's wrong with Nixon? Ended Vietnam, opened up relations with China and was the first environmentalist. He was also socially awkward. If 4chan was around back then, he would have been one of us. Nixon ftw.
>> Anonymous
>>1358560
>>Ended Vietnam, opened up relations with China and was the first environmentalist. He was also socially awkward.

Gb2historyclass, underage B&
>> Anonymous
We give bush mixed ratings. With the exception of privatizing social security, completely removing the military and intelligence apparatus from oversight, and turning Iraq into a U.S. colony, he's done absolutely everything he wanted to do in office (and he came damn close on at least #2 above.

Almost without exceptions, every single one of the things he's tried to do (whether he succeeded or not) has been a Bad Fucking Idea, and he usually lied about it to get it done.

So a shitty president, but an effective, conniving son of a bitch.
>> Anonymous
>>1358550
War was never declared, good sir. That is a matter for the senate to deal with, which they did. Their way of dealing with it was saying "It's not a war, fuck you, here's some money, go nuts."
>> anon
is this a fuckin joke? he PLANNED that 9/11 attack you retard!!!!!!! he's in the illuminati!!!!! that's what they DO, they attack different, weaker, countries because that's how're they think they're going to get in control of the world by trying to invade countries of oil efficiency, plus what if the illuminati TRAINED these terrorists???? bin laden WAS a friend of bush's...doesn't anyone else know this?????????
>> Anonymous
a lot of people forgot that Saddam DID order WMDs to be made.

His government was just too corrupt for anyone to actually follow his mad plans. They just kept the money and made it look like they were developing weapons.

Hence why we thought they were too.

I don't get how people missed that snippet of info.

Also it's important to remember that a lot of the military intelligence mistakes made were due to massive MI cutbacks *before* Bush came to office.

I mean, we DID re-elect him by what I believe was the highest vote count in US history?

I think there's a lot of "loudest one percent" where the people who disagree are likely to speak up while the people who agree are not likely to say anything, they'll just vote when the time comes.
>> Anonymous
>>1358711
... you're an idiot.

Get out of a real political debate.

Bringin that illuminati shit into a serious debate, I should wash your mouth out with soap.
>> Anonymous
It's funny how people consider the war in Iraq immoral, while doing nothing while Saddam and his sons slaughter and rape the iraqi citizens is perfectly ok.
>> Anonymous
Personally, I'd rate him a 9 out of 11.
>> Anonymous
9/11 was a inside job. Bush was only there because he was stupid and easy to manipulate
>> Anonymous
>>1357367
This fucking anon just brings it up correctly, nigras and famine is much more worse in Africa and we attack the fat ugly iraqi dude who just got the country quiet; first gulf war pretty much shut him up, past the 90's it went quiet but BAM! B-2s flyin over Baghdad and an Osama watching his T.v. going "lmao wrong country"
>> Anonymous
>>1358092
Eh, no. You had your ass kicked straight through France. The Battle of Britain was a stalemate, and only ended up in Britain's favor because of a single bombing run that hit the wrong target (London instead of an airfield, if I recall).
>> Anonymous
Worst president evar.
>> Eff Bush. 00000000
>>1358720

I actually laughed out loud. God bless 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>1358720
I lol'd
>> Anonymous
The devil re-incarnated thats what he is and will be remembered forever... Thank you Very much
>> Anonymous
why is this in /gif/ lol, this seems like it would of been more entertaining with /b/tards replying
>> Anonymous
>>1358147

QFT
>> Anonymous
we went to iraq to fight"terrorism" which is a thought, and last time i checked thoughts cant be killed. but idk this is 4chan, and anything is possible on 4chan
>> Anonymous
>>1357891

Whoa, that movie is this from?
>> Anonymous
>>1357735
"SOME ILLEGAL THINGS"
You mean, like..FUCKING VIETNAM?
You fucking morons coming out for Nixon, go listen to the goddamn Nixon tapes. Vietnam was a fucking illegal war, even moreso than Iraq.