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Anonymous
>> Anonymous
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
>> Anonymous
lolz @ bad shop job
>> . Anonymous
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fixed WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>> Anonymous
soooo near at the gras? What was that for a good terorist Pilot? ;)

P.S. That is defenetif a FAKE!
>> Anonymous
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
>> Anonymous
now someone show the real video where you can only see 1 frame of the planes nose and then an explosion. And the nose is MUCH smaller then that.

I think the original video is even more laughable then this.

I want my money back
>> fps_emo
I donbt get it.
>> Anonny
funny how thr plane slides into the pentagon, but there was no marks in the ground after.
>> Fuel Dalida
Look at the original movie, and it's plane (omg) to see that it wasn't a big ass plane.

I mean cmon, they had 4 years to edit that shit and still they come up with this crapper.
>> omnirus
Oh good. Let's start this whole retarded thread all over again. Yay.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml


^ what the videos on there and look for the nose of the plane right before it hits the pentagon and tell me that shit matches up with the gif above

Fuck our goverment
>> Anonymous
The goverment didn't do this the fucking terrorist did it. You people need to go put your tin foil hats on.
>> Anti-Anonymous
>>231954
Lol, nothing to see here... just move along little one while we big people handle big people stuff. ^^
>> Anonymous
>>231954
We´ve seen enough "truth" from America to know that almost everything the government says is bullshit and they will say anything and everything.
>> Anonymous
Was that a fucking missle?
>> Anonymous
>>231954
>>231964

Its guys like this that still think pearl harbour was a conspiracy too . If you have any real proof then go to a major news agency and report it
>> Anonymous
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>>231960
I don't know what fantasy world you live in but if any of you actully believe the goverment did this you need to go kill yourself because if you believe this then our goverment has been making us test subjects in alien experiments. Not only that but they have been watching us ever sence the start of America. I guess you shouldn't be saying anything on the internet if you want your life spared.
>> A few Simple Questions Alkalyne
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"For your consideration" is what Loose Change is. It's not to blame Bush, the US Gov. or any certain people, it is for you to decide. That being said, there are just simple, logical questions that don't make sense with 9/11.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/video.html

<--- Oh, and the actual video the Gov. released.

PS. You should know the media is filtered, and they show what they like, or what they're only allowed. Going there, they'll not likely believe you nor show anything if they did. That's all, really...
>> Anonymous
>>231973
The goverment can't cover up anything. Secerts are always being leaked and you really think the goverment is capiable of doing such a huge cover up? I think not.

Let me ask you a few questions.
1. The camra that is there has shitty quality. How would you be able to see anything clearly anyhow?
2. What about the people who seen it happen? You think they are working for the goverment too?
>> Anonymous
Q> Why didn't they release the in-between frames?
A> There were bodys being hit/flying around? They might not want to do this becasue of the familys don't want them to.
>> Anonymous
how come the victims families of this supposed plane crash are never interviewed or heard of for that matter!! How come the terrorists never took credit for the 911 attacks? they always take credit for thier attacks!! Thanks Jews for framing the muslims and bringing us into your blood fued!!!
>> Anonymous
Another thing is if they wanted to make it look like a plane really hit the pentagon they would making it crystal clear. They have experts that do video editing. If the goverment wanted to cover this up they would have made it so no one could tell it was a cover up.
>> Alkalyne
>>231977
1. A question in response: Why does the US Pentagon have such shitty cameras? It is, after all, the top Military establishment.
2. Read the newspaper and media interviews of those who saw it happen. Many said they saw and heard what was like a missile, not a plane. In addition, if it did indeed fly over the highway nearby, cars would have been blown of of it...

>>231979
The governemnt's explanation for the plane's missing remnants was because "it incincerated entirely upon explosion." Not only is this just scientifically impossible, but there wouldn't be any bodies flying around, so...no.
>> Anonymous
>>231980
Why the fuck would they want to be? There family members are dead.
>> Anonymous
>>231980
they did take credit
>> Alkalyne
>>231985
That's another little issue. The original video of "Osama" taking credit doesn't match the FBI's description that he is left handed, not right, as well as in plain sight, he simply doesn't look like him. The nose and skin colour are completely different to other pictures of him. He was also wearing a wedding ring, forbidden in his culture/religion combination. It could be suggested that it was simply someone dressed up to confess as him. Just a possibility...
>> Anonymous
>>231982
1. Why do they need them? Who would ever try to do anything at the fucking pentagon?

2. Most people have never heard what a missile sounds like. Also it could have been the plane was going pretty fucking fast. Just think they are heading towards the ground going full speed they would have gotten more speed up before hitting the pentagon. You know they could have hit some gforce or something becasue I remember hearing about a 757 hitting some gforce.

What happens when you fire a bullet into the water? It will explode into a million peices and basicly become dirt. They weren't going slow you know. The pentogans walls are constructed in such a way that caused it to do that.
>> Anonymous
not those first few weeks they didnt!! but eventualy they had to take credit to rally the Jihad to prepare for war.. . 9-11 was a strategic military Isreali plot to bring us into there losing battle with the muslims, Isrealis where right to worry tho cuz Iran gonna nuke ther add but good:-0 Frankly there all dog shit crazy!! brown people are fuck heads
>> Anonymous
>>231985
No, in fact, they denied it.
>> Anonymous
>>231986
There religion also says not to kill insent people.

>>231988
Osama doesn't have FEDEX you know.
>> Anonymous
innocent
>> Anonymous
>>231989
Really? Where did you hear this?
>> Alkalyne
>>231987
1. Because it's the Pentagon. USA is a very paranoid nation, and had been for many years, I'd imagine if they had the technology to make great cameras, the top US building would have every inch covered. Why are no other camera angles shown? And who would attack it? Uh...the terrorists.

2.They may not have heard what a missile sounds like, but I'm sure they've heard what a plane sounds like, being at an airport, or on one. It's a dull roar. Missiles that are capable of 9/11 precision sound like a high squeal. If they know what a plane sounds like, and it didn't sound like a plane, it's probably not a hanglider. Probably a missile.

And a bullet shattering into water is not the same thing. It would be different if the government had said that's what happened, but they did not. They said it all incinerated. Which is impossible scientifically, physically, and chemically.
>> Anonymous
>>What happens when you fire a bullet into the water? It will explode into a million peices and basicly become dirt. They weren't going slow you know. The pentogans walls are constructed in such a way that caused it to do that.

I call bullshit on that. Why do some police/crime scene investigation units use water tanks for bullet tests if the bullets disintagrate?
>> Alkalyne
>>231990
Right, it doesn't. It does seem odd though that they would do this "for Allah", for their religion, and then go do something that's against it. It still doesn't explain why he looks so different.
>> Anonymous
>>231998
1. I believe you can't get into the pentagon with out clearnce anyhow.

2. They only hear them when they are coming slow. When a 757 is coming in really fast I wouldn't be suprised if it did sound like a missile.

There were parts in the crash. When shit comes in that fast and the materials on the plane aren't super indistructive you aren't going to have much of a plane left.
>> Anonymous
I heard it from Osama dood. he said it!!! they didn,t do it!! Look, if your terror cell just pulled off the greatest attack in history-- and all of a sudden your NOT take credit for it! even tho they took full responsibilty for EVERY other attack---Its BULLSHIT shit man this type of atttck isnt even in there repitoir they use bombs. And ussually after a terrorist attack they have a video to push home a point--there was none of that on 9-11. Its as tho I am suppose to believe they wanted this to be a whodunnit--YEAH RIGHT!! anyway i better stop this or ill wind up in GITMO--In fact you know what I am crazy dont believe me!!
>> Anonymous
>>232000
Osama doesn't have hi-tech camras.
>> Anonymous
>>231999
Are the guns already under water?
>> Alkalyne
>>232001
1. I don't see what that has to do with no other cameras being shown.
2. True, and good point. Something that should be looked into, I suppose. I'd still be baffled as to how a 757 could have pulled off that stunt without ripping apart though.

As for the last comment, total bullshit. Planes crash into hills, mountains, even other buildings before. They never have, and will not, incinerate upon imapct. Titanium and/or steel alloy is not incincerable by jet fuel (kerosene).

>>232003
True, but it doesn't explain why he's left handed in the FBI file, but right handed in the picture. Or why his facial structure is so different. If he doesn't have high-tech cameras, I'm sure he doesn't have high-tech plastic surgery to look so clean in pictures after that.
>> Anonymous
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
>> Anonymous
>>232007
There ya go guys. It shows the truth.
>> Anonymous
What Alkalyne?
>> Alkalyne
It answers a lot, yeah.
>> Alkalyne
>>232018
What what?
>> Alkalyne
>>232009
Well I don't have much more to say, really. I'm tired and Popular Mechanics pretty much answered a lot up, even not on the Pentagon. Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. And thanks uh...anonymous, for the debate. Was interesting. I'd actually like to see how the conspiracy documentaries reply to this...
>> Anonymous
>>231982
>2. Read the newspaper and media interviews of those who saw it happen. Many said they saw and heard what was like a missile, not a plane. In addition, if it did indeed fly over the highway nearby, cars would have been blown of of it...

Bullshit. Get in the jetwash of a stationary jet yes, a moving jet, no way. How do I know? Manchester Airport in Manchester New Hampshire lands jets on a runway with a public road literally a stone's throw in front of the start of the runway. I've even been on that road and had a jet fly right over me on its landing approach. My car stayed firmly planted on the ground.
>> Alkalyne
>>232031
Another good point. Also should be looked at by th e conspiracy documentaries.

I, however, am pretty convinced because of that Popular Mechanics article that the government didn't do it. It was just really awkward and confusing. So I'm done here, and don't feel like continuing this any more. You guys can, but I'm out.
>> Anonymous
http://209.0.146.17/10/graphics/anims/pentagon_911_conspiricary.swf
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

If you seriously belive ANY human at all can do such a stunt in a CITY with a PASSENGER CARRYER loaded with about 5000 galon kerozine and wich has a base weight of 60 tonns, then you should go back to the tv and continue watching cartoon network.

The two links are for a flash. Its not about the eye withnesses, only about the pictures and facts. Its worth to watch it
>> Anonymous
>>231982
>2. Read the newspaper and media interviews of those who saw it happen. Many said they saw and heard what was like a missile, not a plane. In addition, if it did indeed fly over the highway nearby, cars would have been blown of of it..

There were over one hundred people who reported SEEING what they described as a commercial jet. Shut. the fuck. up.
>> Anonymous
After seeing those pics in the flash. I keep imagining those old warner cartoons when someone would crash a plane and it would slowly come apart leaving only the pilot in his chair holding the stick
>> Anonymous
>>232053
We are arguing here about what exactly a 757 is, cause ppl think it can fly 2 feets above the ground with 530MPH and you claim that ppl DO know what they saw?

The whole thread should be TITS OR GTFO
>> Anonymous
>>231979


yes, all the bodies flew out of the planes but they started up a new mariachi band called "Super 9/11 vicitims all-star mariachi band" and so the government had to photoshop it.
>> Xenos
For likely not the last time, even if it was a plane that hit the Pentagon, that doesn't discredit a conpiracy, just the missle one. I think the missle and WTC demolition conspiracies are pretty dumb anyway.

Clearly, the more plasable conspiracy, one those behind it don't want discussed if it does exist, was to have a sleeper agent among the terrorists directing the attacks. Thus those who would benifit from a global war on terror have their Pearl Harbor. Keep it simple, stupid.
>> Anonymous
My God, this is just like the movie Groundhog Day.
>> Anonymous
>>231982

Did you not see the gas pumps in the video, cockfag?

Its from a security camera on a GAS STATION that's across the road from the pentagon.

Though, the camera provides perfect framing to capture the crash. That, and the amount of penetration that aircraft made into the pentagon still makes the whole thing a little suss to me.
>> Anonymous
>>What happens when you fire a bullet into the water? It will explode into a million peices and basicly become dirt.


lol that is the biggest load of shit i've read in a long time.
>> Anonymous
>>232099

yeah, they really act like MINI TORPEDOS and you can dodge them underwater
>> Anonymous
>>232099
It applies to fast moving bullets. I think anything faster than a 9mm will shatter upon hitting the water's surface, or shortly therafter.

As mentioned before, everyone here should read
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
it answers everything regarding the attacks. Page 6 is specific to the pentagon attack.
>> Anonymous
a 9 mm bullet doesnt weights 60 tonns with an addition of 5000 galon kerozine.....

America is just the fukin same as the terrorist, they jump outta nowhere with "FACTS" that the iraq holds mass destruction weapons, so they MUST invade for the only lone will of god, and the healt of all.
Ofcourse it turned out that they never had any kind of such weaponary, and i still remember bush sayin that neverthless it was a good thing to do.

Then who is a terrorist? All of the americans could shut their faces. George bush belongs next to Saddam.
>> Anonymous
>>232098
Those aren't gas pumps, they're the security gates you slip a passkey in and the gate goes up. See the horizontal bar?
>> Anonymous
"True, but it doesn't explain why he's left handed in the FBI file, but right handed in the picture. Or why his facial structure is so different. If he doesn't have high-tech cameras, I'm sure he doesn't have high-tech plastic surgery to look so clean in pictures after that."

Low quality footage tends to disorient images. Besides, considering that Bin Laden wears a ring and watch in other videos, and wears the SAME CLOTHES as the videos, I am just going to assume it was Osama out of common fucking sense.
>> Anonymous
>>232157

WHat?

NEVER HAD?

You might not want to say that to any of the KURDS THAT SADDAM USED CHEMICAL WARFARE ON IN 1990.

They're really dedicated to the lie.
>> Anonymous
>>231998

People know what a plane sounds like as it is moving relatively slow, taking off or some in for a landing. People really don't know what a plane sounds like as it is traveling really fucking fast through the air. There is an obvious difference, I'm sure.

I'm not a person who's preaching, saying it's a conspiracy. BUT COME ON. WHAT THE FUCK. Why would a camera... watching the PENTAGON... show so few frames!? My convenient store up the street shows more frames than that. Come on. And that white streak in the beginning of the frame is kinda odd... Doesn't appear to be a jet from me...

Stuff just doesn't add up.
>> Anonymous
>>232098

lol, dumbass. Those aren't gas pumps you FUCKWIT. gb2/b
>> Anonymous
suppose all of this BS is true

what's your point?

for what reason would they engineer something so convoluted?
>> Anonymous
conspiracy theorist are a government conspiracy to hide a real conspiracy
>> Anonymous
The benifits of throwing the country into a war powered by your friends companies seems pretty obvious to me.
>> Anonymous
Oh yeah, because those earlier plane crashes might just not be enough to piss of the American public.

Oh, wait those are conspiracies too...

/sarcasm
>> Anonymous
I'll tell you the real conspiracy. The whole conspiracy craze is all part of a merchandising plot to gain profit from conspiracy believers. This is a niche, but profitable market. As they say, a sucker is born every minute.
>> Anonymous
it's all a conspiracy, the truth is...
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
>> Anonymous
watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diWEVAOEvD0&search=a%20few%20good%20men
>> Anonymous
>>231877
Tears loose change and conspiracy theorists a new one, gg.
>> Anonymous
>>231982
People put too much esteem in the military, it's much more loosely put together and less organized and advanced as people believe.

Some joe-schmo hacker could and has hacked into DoD computers - including the Pentagon.
>> Anonymous
Who cares what the videos say, there were thousands of eye witnesses on the freeway that day that saw the jet. Something the conspiracy freaks always seem to leave out. It's easier to get people to focus on one piece of questionable footage than to look at the whole picture.
>> Anonymous
While I'm not backing up conspiracy nuts...

its very clear that that image has been edited.
>> Anonymous
>>232258

Not really; i've been going over some of it, and while the guy uses some facts to rebut loose change, he says "if, maybe, but, possibly" a lot, which makes it pretty damn redundent. :\
>> Anonymous
habeeb it
>> Anonymous
No.231972


ever hear of tuskeegee?
>> Anonymous
>>232274
Well loose change IS pretty fucking misinformed. :/
>> Anonymous
where did this gif come from anyway?
>> ?normalboy !SGRPrwhmGE!!teT
>>231785
Obviously doctored by someone on the internet
>>231896
It didn't slide
>>231960
>>231964
The reason they're the government and you're the citizens is so we don't have people in office making conspiracy claims based on zero real facts.
>>231979
Security cameras have slow frame-rates, this one especially. And bodies don't just fly out of planes after they lodge themselves into buildings at 500+MPH and then explode :/
>>231980
They were, they're not gonna come individually inform everyone about the witness reports. ( http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm )
>>231981
No one can tell it's a cover up of anything because no one has any proof
>>231982
The government NEVER said it incinerated upon impact. And there was wreckage found and reportedly 99 percent of the bodies were identified. Check images that you DON'T find in google image search, because that's innacurate as fuck. http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/images/image062.jpg
>>231986
That's because the lighting is poor and the pictures of osama are all compared to one really bad misleading screencap of osama in the video, if you watch the whole video the lighting changes and it resembles him more.
>> Anonymous
La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo? the patriots? all dead?
>> Anonymous
>>232311
Witnesses vouching for the plane scenario say that it bounced off of the lawn, apparently. :[
>> Anonymous
what about the other 80 odd cameras surrounding the pentagon, which the fbi confiscated and are now defending themselves against a court case thru the freedom of information act to release the footage captured by them. what possible harm have they got releasing the footage?

the u.s gov flew the bin ladens out of the country on 9/11. only ignorant or apathetic people ignore facts
>> Anonymous
Of course its a conspiracy. I'm guessing you all also believe the gubmint is covering up UFOs, the moon landings were faked, the Illuminati/Freemasons/Jew Bankers are is planning to establish a New World Order, and flouridation of water is part of some sinister plot, and so on and so forth.

Rubbish. It's all nonsense, and about as valid as creationism, Velikovskianism, and any other crackpot theory. We were attacked by a bunch of religious fanatics who are known terrorists. The idea that our inefficient, irresponsible, incompetent government was capable of pulling off such a stunt and then cover up their involvement and make it look like Al-Qaida was responsible is patently ridiculous, and involves so many ad hoc presumptions its not even funny. No person with a functioning brain and a decent grasp on reality can seriously believe that these 9/11 conspiracy claims are valid.
>> Anonymous
Even if 9/11 was planed by the goverment, nothing would happen. They would say that who ever planed the attack would be punished with the blame all put on a single scrapegoat.

plus this happened years ago, most don't care if it wasn't a terrorist attack now. The damage has been done and there is not a thing a single person can do about it.

Millions of dollars have been made by U.S. companys and officals sence the attacks/"war" and the economy fucking skyrocketed. Possably the attacks just came at most opportune time for profit to be made...lol :/
>> Anonymous
>>232410
Hm. Sounds like the Laughing Man.
>> ?normalboy !SGRPrwhmGE!!teT
>>232322
I think only one of the wings skidded on the grass before it crashed. That's supposed to be the official story, I think. I never really trusted witness reports because they always seem to screw shit up, say something wrong, then cause these big ol frustrating conspiracies. ;(
>> PLEASE IDENTIFY darkside6
please identify this women for me, i need source
>> Anonymous
>>231877
all opinions and crap. get a better source next time asshat.
>> FUCKING LAWLS Jerevin
FAIL'D SHOP attempt, couldnt the FBI, CIA or who the fuck ever shop a better lookin plane into that scene, i mean hell its been what, 5 years? and this is the best shop attempt to pretend there was an acutal plan that hit and not a clever american cover up?

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
>> Anonymous
http://www.911myths.com

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
>> Anonymous
what i don't understand is how a goverment, that "fails at shop" and even after four years of time to pull something that looks convincing together but still fails, is even capable of coming up with and sucessfully pulling off the type of conspiricy that you are all claiming. i mean if they're too retarded to do anything that you all say, how the hell would they be smart enought or witty enough to come up with some elaborate scheme and convince thousands of people it actually happened. i'ts like theres a conflict between how much you hate the goverment and how much you want to belive it's all conspiricy. in one hand you want the goverment to be completly stupid and filled with uneducated hicks because you hate it and it's always wrong. while on the other the goverment is some super smart mass of beings trying to pull some trick to blind you from the truth.
well they can't be both, so wich is it?
is the goverment too stupid, and it's not a conspiracy, thus the goverment is right and it holds some credibility.
or is the goverment really cleaver, and it's all a conpiracy, but they're somehow too stupid to come up with some "real looking" evidense to convince you. which doesn't make much sense but ok...

either way you still ignorant...

and why does convincing you really matter anyways? who cares weather you belive it or not? i sure as hell don't.
>> Anonymous
The real sad thing about this thing...

IT'S THE EXACT SAME FIVE DAMN FRAMES THE PENTAGON RELEASED AFTER THE ATTACK ITSELF!!!
>> Anonymous
wanna know why you see so little plane in the original vid? watch the fucking time stamps in the frames. now how fast was the plane going? oh wow, case closed mystery solved, faggot missile conspiracy put to bed.
>> Anonymous
>>232453
I'll jsut need clips of the footage from the 2 hotels near the Pentagon that caught *whatever* slamming into it, but it seems they're holding that back for some reason.

There are also no visual aids pointing out comparisons of what was on the footage to the actual jet aircraft. I'd like to see them compare what I'm seeing in the footage to the actual plane...hell, draw cirlces and identify similarities between the two.

It's gonna take more than a couple of blurs to win me over.
>> Anonymous
A better way to debunk the missile theory

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TRAIL OF SMOKE?
>> Anonymous
>>232461
Same place the plane debris is...

...our imaginations.
>> Anonymous
needs duffy
>> SpikeElSucko
I am very pleased that we have so many expert plane-crash scene analysts here to tell us the TRUTH behind the pentagon crash! If it wasn't for them I'd be listening to that god damn COMMON SENSE bullshit! Thanks random internet subject-matter experts for your professional sleuthing!
>> Anonymous
>>232459
as it's been previously stated. it really is sad that people believe these stupid conspiracies. let me ask YOU to prove something. where'd the passengers go that died that day? locate the family members of the people who were on the planes and you go tell them it was a hoax.
>> ?normalboy !SGRPrwhmGE!!teT
All theory, no proof.
>> OMGWTFBBQ!!!! Anonymous
WTF! Jsut becuz there is no proof at all of any conspiricyt ddoesnt mean that it didnot happen! Face up to teh fucking truthiness of teh conspiricy!!! Its teh JEWZ! They set it up, to hide teh fact that teh Earth is shapped like a BURRITO! Not round at all! OMG WTF FAGFAGFAG!!!11!!!one!
>> Mr Bump
the government didint DO it they knew who was going to do it , let them do it , and funded their orginization since the mid 80's

Prisonplanet.com Alex jones knows what the fuck hes talking about im not an expert but i do lots of research and im not talking out my ass............
>> Anonymous
Just because the plane didn't hit the pentagon doesn't mean it didn't go down...
>> Anonymous
>>231980
You stupid fuck, one of my family friends was in the plane that hit the 2nd tower. As if I would call up a news crew and tell them exactly how I feel. "Well yeah it sucks that he's dead and all..but shit, I'm on TV!!!" Stupid fuck. Hang yourself now.
>> Anonymous
PENIS!