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Bad animation in anime Anonymous
Alright. I'm trying to prove about animation in anime being fucking horrendous so I'm looking for GIFs that illustrate this point.

Looking for Anime cliches
Still shots
Pan shots
Cropped shots
Half assed action scenes
Flappy lip movements

And other such half assing in anime.
>> Anonymous
who are you trying to prove this too? everyone knows anime has shit lazy animation.
the pic you posted is a prime example.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Take a screenshot of tenjou tenge and make it move left and right. You've successfully done a better job than the original.
>> Anonymous
>>789305
Weeaboos
>> Anonymous
Only anime shows. Because they have to create shows every week and they're on a budget. Anime movies are really high quality and well animated. If you say anime has crappy animation, look at american cartoon shows, they're style is so horrendous, there's no detail at all, they're mostly made of a couple lines and thats it. Don't be a fag, learn to compare. Besides, anime shows, have good quality compared to american cartoon shows. Most anime shows are very detailed you fags.
>> Anonymous
>>789323
It's pretty much the same in America as Japan. American animated film quality >>>>>> American TV animation.
>> Anonymous
>>789323
One, I'm not trying to compared animated Japanese movies or anything. What I'm trying compare are western animated series against Japanese animated series.

Yes, I realize that Japanese shows have budgets and deadlines to work with. However that doesn't change the fact that most of the animation tends to be half assed and corners are cut all the time.

The point isn't why it is. Its the fact that it is.

Also, this isn't about the art style of the shows and how they're drawn or how much detail goes into them. The more detailed something is the harder it is to animate. Also western animation may not look as "prettyful" as animu but the animation tends to be a lot better, also the frame rate tends to be a lot higher.

So ummm... yeah. Learn your shit seymour.
>> Anonymous
>>789323

Fucking japfags are the cancer that is killing 4chan.
>> Anonymous
If u wanna make anime look bad put naruto all over it.

Seriously, who the fuck can even stand that show? the translation and animation are fucking terrible. and why is he always fucking yelling, i want to punch him in the face.

Fucking christ, i feel like killing something now.
>> Anonymous
>>789344

dude every anime yells, especially ones where they have powers in some way (i.e. Dragon Ball series)
>> Anonymous
>>789344
So far Naruto and Bleach are two prime examples, Bleach more so than anything because ALL of the animation sucks. Naruto at least has a fight scene with on par animation once in a great while... at least it did.

Other examples include Inuyasha, Trinity Blood, DBZ and a list of others.

However I need GIFs illustrating these points specifically which is why I require the help of Anonymous.
>> Anonymous
>>789334

What our you? Retarmeded.
>> Anonymous
>>789341Fucking japfags are the heart and soul of 4chan.

Fixed.
>> Anonymous
>>789341
Japfags are killing a website which is essentially an English-language version of a much more popular Japanese website?
>> Anonymous
And why do you need these gifs? Just to prove you are an asshole?
>> ! DJOnigiri
>>789334
I'm tying but I'm not understanding your logic here...

Is this not the same as saying: "Look at these cheap ass americans, they're on a budget, but that's no excuse to be driving that horrible, eye-sore of a car! They should quit being bitches, & all drive luxury automobiles!".
>> Anonymous
>>789334
Wrong on every point. If one takes a look at the progression of the art. Old american animations were indeed superior. Take any warner brothers etc cartoon of it's day and compare it to the japanese analog like Astro Boy(The B&W on not the remake kiddies) or Speed Racer. There is no competition the american stuff wins every time. Today however the situation is reversed. Japanese animation exels in almost all aspects. Sure you can always find examples to prove any point. Any pokemon or yugiho based series will have crap animation. But most current american animation is honestly worse than the worst case japanese. Even at it's current best American animation is sub par to japanese. Simply put it is the audience they are targeting. In america animation is only for kids. In japan it is for everyone. Hence there is more market for and more effort put into japanese animation these days. I mean honestly outside of disney etc you will not find japanese kids watching subbed or dubbed american animations. Or most other foriegn countries for that matter. On the other hand the export of japanese animation is big business. Even if quality wise it varies wildly.
>> Anonymous
>>789351
I'm sorry sir. You just lost the game.

Continue?
>Yes >No
>> Anonymous
Holy crap just post GIFs! I don't care about what you think on the matter. Just post bad anime gifs!
>> Anonymous
>>789368
Not for you, asshole.
>> Anonymous
agreed
>> Anonymous
>>789358
If all American animation is for kids then explain Family Guy, American Dad, Squidbillies, The Venture Bros, Assy McGee, Heavy Metal and god knows how many others.

American animation isn't just for kids, in fact it originally was meant for Adults. Looney Toons was never meant for kids, it was meant for Adults same with all the other old shows that we used to watch as kids.

Also you aren't going to find a lot of anime airing in Japan on prime time TV and basic cable. The only stuff that really airs like that are kids shows like Bleach and Naruto. Everything else comes out on premium channels such Wowow a Japanese satellite channel. Wowow has aired Bebop, Paranoia Agent, Crest of Stars Ergo Proxy and many others.

Anime in Japan is primarily marketed at kids. Thats not to say that it they don't focus on adults but its primary focus is kids.
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>> Anonymous
>>789382
fuck yeah venture bros
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>> Anonymous
What do you get about it?

for one, you have to work in the budget they give you. They can't spend tons and tons of money on a minor episode. It'd just be a waste, hence why they animated it mediocro(not poorly, just not putting 100% effort.

Example. Look at some of Naruto episodes. You'll notice the major fights are Very well animated.(Lee vs Gaara, Naruto vs Sasuke, Sakura vs Sasori) were animated perfectly. Then we have the minor episodes which just basically full of talking and delay, leading to the major fights. You don't animated everything to 100%, or you'll be worn out, and out of fucking money.

Nothing in America can even compare to Japanese animation. Not even mediocro Japanese animes.

Wtf? Flappy Lip movements. You DO know why they do that right? If you fully animate the mouths, you're basically screwing yourself over tons and tons of money. Let me explain why.

Flappy mouth movements because some Japanese Animes like to EXPORT their anime to OTHER Countries. Would you want their mouth movement to be in japanese yet speaking english words?
No, It'd be off synch, and would look like he's not even talking. This is why they don't add more then 1 or 2 frames when they are speaking.

If you think Japanese animation is horrendous, Then I honestly don't know what the fuck animation your comparing it to. I hope not movie quality, or american(lol). If your so stuck up about bad animation, how about you go study animation and do something about it instead of sitting on your ass complaining how bad it is.

Either way nobody really gives a fuck what you say or try to prove, because half your reasons are invalid and incoherent.
>> Anonymous
>>789404
Ask anybody who goes to school for animation and they'll tell you how bad Japanese animation is.
>> Anonymous
Wow.. I really hope that none of you plan to actually do any animation yourselves.
>> Anonymous
Alot of anime has bad animation, and many more have great animation... most are in between. Just showing a few examples of poor animation quality won't prove anything.

And about cartoons being for kids in the US... well they are either for kids or they are comidies. Avatar is more aimed at the tean croud, which is a nice improvement. Incedently however its animated in Korea. : /
>> Bad Animation? Lulz, bad contents Pirate
Its not so much that anime has bad animation. I don't claim that at all, I personally dislike its content. All anime has the same feel to it, and that feel gets old after awhile. There are about 5 different types of anime (arbitrary number) that all share everything with each other.

For instance.
DBZ + Naruto + Inuyasha
they all involve a group of people who fight for good and junk, the fights are always close, and the fights are always explained

Cowboy Bebop + Trigun + FMA
these anime's focus more around one person, there IS a supporting cast, though. Its about the group's quest for something, and all the drama that happens on the way. Hell.. you could compare that to naruto

then there is the ENTIRE Myazaki series (admittedly wrong spelling)

all his movies are about a sweet, sensitive do-gooder who "does good" throughout the movie. (lupin movie excluded, for it comes from a tv show) All these movies are extremely chick-flick.

Its a culture thing, not a quality thing.. The same could be said about american anime/video/whatever, but i'm sure you see my point, and i don't wish to explain it.
>> Anonymous
>>789418

Ok, maybe you can go into animation
>> Pirate
in before someone points out that i said "american anime"... clearly a mistype.

^_^
>> Anonymous
>>789425
A LOT of animation is done in Korea. American and Japanese. Sit through the credits of most Japanese animated movies and you'll see most of the animators names are Korean.

Korea is a source of cheap animation for the world, just like India is for tech support.
>> Anonymous
Japanese and American animation are the fucking same, it's just different arts styles. You can't compare the best of Japanese animation to the worst of American animation and compare.
>> Anonymous
>>789427

all his movies are about a sweet, sensitive do-gooder who "does good" throughout the movie. (lupin movie excluded, for it comes from a tv show)

Lupin was written by a different manga-ka than Miyazaki. It was not originally his work, thus, it has a different feel.
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>> Anonymous
Violinist of Hamelin... 50% of the anime was camera pan shots over a still cel.
>> Anonymous
Anymore GIFs?
>> Anonymous
It also doesn't help that the majority of all animes are based off of a manga. So basically you are watching a moving manga, but I wish they would put more effort into the show. This whole limited animation thing has been over done.
>> Anonymous
The Japanese also make more animation than anyone else. So, of course a lot of it isn't going to be high quality.

Also, consider their damn stubbornness when it comes to how they draw their animation, always with billions of details that are tough to move from frame to frame. Western animation favors less lines and fluidity, while the Japanese love their obscene detail, even if it costs them in the animation department.
>> Anonymous
>>789382Family Guy, American Dad, Squidbillies, The Venture Bros, Assy McGee, Heavy Metal
Everything you mentioned but Venture Bros. is pretty fucking childish, asinine, and generally fucking stupid.

"LOL MATUER AUDIENCES ONLY OKEY!"
>> Anonymous
You're a fucking idiot and your entire argument is fucking void based on the simple fact you seem so fervently out to get "anime" as a medium. You have to fucking look for the most horrendous gifs you can to illustrate your point? That's not a representative sample.

No one but fucking idiots are saying Naruto, Dragonball Z, or Inuyasha are groundbreakingly well animated. Anyone with an ounce of taste knows that such examples are shit and laughable at best. They're fucking shounen tripe, in all aspects of their production, that only the worst kind of wapanese take seriously.

In the same manner as you can point out such laughable examples, I can counter with Mushishi, Ghost in the Shell, anything Miyazaki, anything Watanabe, a great deal of Gainax work.

Fuck, Daicon IV's animation is better than most of the shit you'd find on mainstream American television today.

You want to take the worst of the worst and present it as a representative sample of the medium? Alright, what do you say to 12 Mouse and Squidbillies? This just in, all American animation is produced in a shitty flash application!

P.S. Anyone saying japfags, weeaboos, what the fuck ever, are the cancer killing 4chan is in actuality the cancer killing 4chan themselves, and I hope you fucking get hit by a bus for desecrating these boards with your inane faggotry.
>> Anonymous
You're a fucking idiot and your entire argument is fucking void based on the simple fact you seem so fervently out to get "anime" as a medium. You have to fucking look for the most horrendous gifs you can to illustrate your point? That's not a representative sample.

No one but fucking idiots are saying Naruto, Dragonball Z, or Inuyasha are groundbreakingly well animated. Anyone with an ounce of taste knows that such examples are shit and laughable at best. They're fucking shounen tripe, in all aspects of their production, that only the worst kind of wapanese take seriously.

In the same manner as you can point out such laughable examples, I can counter with Mushishi, Ghost in the Shell, anything Miyazaki, anything Watanabe, a great deal of Gainax work.

Fuck, Daicon IV's animation is better than most of the shit you'd find on mainstream American television today.

You want to take the worst of the worst and present it as a representative sample of the medium? Alright, what do you say to 12oz Mouse and Squidbillies? This just in, all American animation is produced in a shitty flash application! Surely this is correct if we're to follow your logic?

P.S. Anyone saying japfags, weeaboos, or what the fuck ever are the cancer killing 4chan is in actuality the cancer killing 4chan themselves. I hope stupid fucking faggots like yourselves get hit by a fucking bus for desecrating these boards with your inane faggotry. You have effectively fucking killed the prime online gathering place of myself and many others with your circle-jerking and general douchebaggery.
>> Anonymous
Compare Pokemon to Seirei no Moribito and then tell me that all anime has the same shit quality animation.
>> Anonymous
This just in - "Two and a Half Men" and "Will and Grace" prove all American shows are terrible!
>> Anonymous
>>789572
This thread is fucking retarded. Yes there are shit animes, no there are no fantastic looking american cartoons.


>>789572
This man is right on all aspects of his posts. This site was made by weeaboos for weeaboos. All this nerd rage against weeaboos just shows how trendy you retards are with your insults (weeaboo, newfag, gaiafag, emofag). I've been here for the culmination of all these insults. And it's always the new guys throwing them around the most.
>> Anonymous
>>789382

Well, actually, Bleach and Naruto weren't 'kid' shows in japan. Aimed at teenage boys. Same with onepiece, and all that; and they really do air on public channels.
>> Anonymous
>>789572

What is Animes appeal?! What is Japans appeal? What is that fascination with that culture? I really don't get it...

Anime = boring
>> Anonymous
>>789631

Some people like it, some people don't, some people are faggots.

You seem to be part of the latter two!
>> Anonymous
>>789631

Congratulations.
>> Anonymous
>>789315


All this topic did, was remind me again how epic Spike is.
>> Anonymous
Remember that Japanese anime doesn't take breaks for summer. They don't have seasons, that shit just keeps going. Maybe Naruto or Bleach will take a week or two off, but they make damn near 50 episodes a year, plus the occasional hour long episode.
How long has Avatar been on break between 2nd and 3rd season? Something like four months. Naruto goes on every fucking week, and yeah, a majority of the time it sucks, but I take my hat off to that team for pumping out dialog and action every fucking week.
>> Anonymous
I think you mean long, drawn out pauses.
>> Anonymous
when you provide a person, with an insatiable amount of assinine opinions anonymity, they become the asscrack of the internet.

honestly, bloated statistics on all sides, this is the same garbage RNN(CNNs real name, Republican News Network) uses to make stupid fucking people believe something "90% of all teenage males charged with violent crimes play video games!" then stupid shits go "Video games make kids violent omg!" regardless of the unknown statistic that almost 98% of all male teenage students play games.

its a prospect of Constants and Variables.
hes trying to place bad animation as a constant, by using subjects that are proven to have bad animation, this is easy when the subjects are chosen purposefully for this experiment.

take your bad science elsewhere, and Lrn2theory jackass
>> Anonymous
try 90%+
>> Anonymous
my point being made valid, in any circumstance
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>> Anonymous
o... dear... christ, youre not serious are you?
ok, before the FLCL post ruins ppls brains, Blizzard noted that it was amazing how much effort went into making Southpark compared to WoW, they spent far less time animating the WoW/SP scenes than southpark had to spend on thiers, stop motion is a dying breed, and the fact that FLCL spoofed it just adds to Southparks fame.
>> Anonymous
>>789702
South Park uses computers. Only the pilot was done with stop animation.
>> Anonymous Anonymous
STFU!! FLCL is the greatest anime in the world don't diss faggot GTFO!! YOU shouldn't even talk about FLCL on this thread!!
>> EVA MkI
>>789725
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
FOOLY COOLY FTW BITCHES
>> Anonymous
South Park is made on Maya. Talk about under-using your resources.
>> Anonymous
Well this went down a road I did not expect.
>> Anonymous
>>789358
decent American animation since the 90's...Spider Man, X-MEN, Batman the Animated Series, Justice League/Unlimited, Avatar the Last Airbender or something like that...there's some others, but not a lot.

Some want to say there was bad animation w/ DBZ, Bleach and Naruto, etc...you point to bad animation and I'll point to the good animation.
>> Anonymous
I think it's fucking hilarious how popular anime is over in the states. Considering how they target demographics in Japan I'll never understand why people like some of these animes. As a general rule the age of the main character is the age of the target audience +/-2 years. Naruto is what? Fucking twelve? And there is some faggot kid at my college that wears a Naruto jacket every day.

I used to work in a Japanese restaurant and my boss hated talking to stupid anime nerds. Not everyone in Japan watches anime it's not made for 'everyone'. It's for kids just how our cartoons are. Believe it or not. They have a different way of doing things when it comes to censorship. Blood and guts? Who gives a shit. The whole Dragon Ball serious was for like 8 year olds over in Japan.

tl;tr: I'll never understand why anime is so popular.
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>> Anonymous
>>789753
facepalm.gif
>> Anonymous
Despite what people are saying every piece of anime I've ever seen just kind of shits on the principles of animation. A lot of the movement looks very stiff, specifically during fights. Characters will just kind of just trade sissy bitch punches back and forth. No follow through no anticipation and no easing. All the character just kinda do there shit. To me it's like watching a high school play. They may be doing some super awesome interesting things, but there is absolutely zero heart behind it.
>> Anonymous
"CorelDRAW is used to create the characters, which are animated using Maya"
We actually learned how to rig a south-park like character in character animation class...
>> Anonymous
>>789781
THANK YOU!
>> Anonymous
>>789781
Kinda along the same lines as this guy.
Being an animator myself I just can't watch anime. To me it's like killing babies. They don't even attempt to sync the mouth movements to what they are saying. I've never seen a character with a round mouth during dialog unless there were actually saying "ooooohhhhh".
And saying that they do that because anime is shipped out over seas in a big pile of bullshit. That an excuse not a reason. Different countries ship out tons of shit that's synced.
>> Anonymous
>>789812
Its like the Cavalry has arrived.
>> Anonymous
>>789781
>>789812
Boo fucking hoo, some culture's priorities are different from ours.
I'm gonna go get internet-angry about this!
>> Anonymous
Eat shit and die. Animation can bad in American cartoons as well as Japanese anime. Not ALL anime has shitty animation, it usually has to do with the budget.
>> Anonymous
I love how people claiming they are working on animation, and bashing anime because of it's poor quality.

Where are you working that your so superior and what are you animating?

American cartoons? Nope.
Commercials possibly? nope
movies? The few there are, rarely.

Come on "animators" Show us your "experience", show us your "true perfection" Don't link me to some random dudes website who has some 25 second long clips that took you a year to make. Show us some actual source to your gloating.
>> Anonymous
>>789781
>>789812
not all countries follow the same guidelines for animation, what Japan does works, whether you choose to believe so or not.
>> Anonymous
>>789862
My name is Walt Disney, google me
>> Anonymous
>>789862
http://www.texavery.com/
>> Anonymous
>>789865

ah walt disney, boy those were the days eh? But honestly animators you must be proud of your work. Lets some some sauce!
>> Anonymous
>>789382
So in Japan, GitS and Cowboy Bebop are on the same level as say... the Sopranos or Rome are here.
>> Anonymous
>>789402
lol wut
>> Anonymous
>>789300
Look for that stuff in anything by Kyoto Animation.
Spoilers: you'll find nothing.
>> Anonymous
>>789418
do they take business classes as well? because you're not gonna learn everything from just animation.
>> Anonymous
>>789427
like American cartoons are original...
>> Anonymous
What a boring fucking thread.
>> Anonymous
>>789753
Maya > 3D Studio Max
>> Anonymous
/a/ QUALITY
>> Anonymous
American animation is often done in Asia. Like the Simpsons.
>> Anonymous
lol
None of u have lives yes?
No more 4chan for me it's gone down the shitter.
Thanks fags.
Thanks alot.
>> Anonymous
>>789862
Um, you dumbass faggot, how about any Disney movie ever made?
Even the most recent shit ones have more effort put into them than anime.

Stop thinking up lame excuses like localisation and accept that anime is the cheap crappy version of true animation.

It is a lame cheap ripoff, anime isn't even a Japanese word (french) and like most things all the Japanese did was steal it and mass produce it on the cheap