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>> Anonymous
VOTE RON PAUL 2008!!!
>> Anonymous
Both McCain and Paul are douches.
>> Anonymous
>>891381
I have had my absolute fill of Republican Presidents.
>> Anonymous
he is against the federal reserve. thats fucking rad since the federal reserve is nothing short of federal express. damn those money hungry yuppies. all they want is our tax money. the piece of shit dollar doesnt even have any worth. its our gold thats been stolen from us is whats worth anything.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
i dont want to play income tax. thats why im voting for him. the income tax is voluntary. we dont have to do it. but people are being put in jail because of it. doesnt make any sense at all. i say fuck the feds
>> Anonymous
RP 2008!
>> Anonymous
we dont have to pay an income tax? WTF?! GTFO
>> Anonymous
YEAH ITS TRUE WE DONT HAVE TO PAY AN INCOME TAX. TRY AND LOOK UP A LAW THAT REQUIRES AN AVERAGE US CITIZEN TO PAY A FEDERAL INCOME TAX. YOU CANT FIND A LAW THAT SIMPLY STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO. ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE SUPREME COURTS DECIDED THAT IT WASNT CONSTITUTIONAL TWICE.
>> Anonymous
The constitution states that a man's labour cannot be taxed, yet the fucking feds still do it
>> Anonymous
http://teaparty07.com/

Donate for our future.
>> Anonymous
Do you know how bad our economy would be without income tax?
>> Anonymous
we are being conditioned to follow any god damn order that they throw at our faces. we dont question. and when we do question, they answer with a weapon. its totalitarianism. we are becoming a new nazi germany
>> Anonymous
how would it be bad?
>> Anonymous
>>891396
Those feds who got elected back in 2000 felt the same way about its constituents, especially you.
>> Anonymous
Libertarian views eh? Better fucking legalize weed, fuckin' sell out.
>> Anonymous
ron paul needs to be our president. WE DONT NEED A FUCKING INCOME TAX!
>> Anonymous
>>891441
Yes, we do. Just for those making over ninety grand a year.
>> Anonymous
Ron Paul is really a libertarian, taking away the federal reserve, stoping the CIA from meddling in other countries affairs, sounds good to me.
>> Anonymous
>>891441
You're right. We can build roads, pay for an army, a police force, fire departments, etc with SUNSHINE AND FUCKING RAINBOWS.

Nothing is certain but death and taxes, douchebags. At least income tax is prorated by what you make, unlike more regressive SALES taxes (There's your teaparty, dickweeds - sales tax).
>> Anonymous
>>891444
Don't educate the importance of taxes to those who believe nothing good comes from it at all. Preaching to the ignorant, midas well teach math to toddlers.
>> Anonymous
I have to say i cant agree with the taking away of income taxes.
I mean were 11 trillion dollars in debt, and its not something that can be paid back anytime soon.
>> Anonymous
do you wonder why we are in debt? the federal reserve loans that money out to congress. and then the intrest rises with ever dollar that gets printed out. we are putting ourselfs into debt.
>> Anonymous
>>891457
Worse yet, internet losers are advocating a guy who doesn't want to pay the debt back, only leading to accumulate over time.

NO TAXES MEANS EVERYTHING WORKS FOR EVERYONE! FEDERAL DEBTS PAY FOR THEMSELVES THESE DAYS ANYWAY!
>> Anonymous
>>891444
the income tax mostly pays the interest on the national debt, not for any of the things you mentioned. it goes straight into the pockets of the private, secret owners of the federal reserve who loan the government its currency supply, EVEN THOUGH THE GOVERNMENT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE THE MONEY ITSELF.
the income tax and the federal reserve are both unconstitutional. both came into existence in 1913, pushed by Morgan, Rothschild, Rockefeller, i.e. THE GUYS WHO OWN THE FED.
please please please wake up and get educated
see "America: Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo
search the federal reserve on youtube
>> static
freedom to fascism is an amazing movie. it really is. i advise everyone to at least view it once.
>> Anonymous
>>891466the income tax mostly pays the interest on the national debt
All the more need to have them, and force those corperate fascists to pay for most of that by increasing taxes on billion dollar corperations.

You got one thing right, we're all on the same side against fascism.
>> Anonymous
>>891471
adding to that...maybe not.
>> Anonymous
A quick note here: IF the government just "Made Money" itsself, it would drop the bottom out of the value of the dollar. I'm not talking about this "Back in my day a cola was 5cents" horseshit, I'm talking about the $500 menu at McDonalds instead of the $1 menu. It's one of those basic things that work against proper economics.
>> static
the dollar is only worth about 4 cents so i dont think there would be a 500 dollar menu dude lol
>> Anonymous
>>891477
Thank you someone with some sense
>> Anonymous
>>891477
a quick note here: that's not what ron paul wants or advocates, he wants us on a gold standard
ps: the bottom HAS fallen out of the economy
seriously, SEE FREEDOM TO FASCISM or just search federal reserve on youtube
the federal reserve and the income tax are the ripoff of all time, and something the framers of the constitution explicitly tried to prevent.
neither existed before 1913 and people did fine without them
>> Anonymous
Seriously are constitution just keeps getting raped.
And is the any evidence that george bush said the constitution is just a piece of paper, if so we should of kicked his ass out of the country.
>> Anonymous
>>891487
While you're at it, check out Triumph of the Will. Also very moving. Also focused on a guy who wanted to save his people from inflation. Also a fucking terrible choice.

tl;dr: Hitler had convincing propaganda too.
>> Anonymous
whats triumph of the will?
>> Anonymous
>>891501
ITT: People who've never heard of Google.
>> Anonymous
>>891501

The most famous pro-Nazi propaganda film ever made.

>>891497

Godwin's Law is now in effect.
>> Anonymous
>>891414
>>891444
How would you fund the government without any direct taxation?

The powers that be know it's just a matter of time before the truth reaches enough Americans about the voluntary income tax system. Already trial balloons are being floated to once again fool the people into some form of alternative tax in order to feed the central bank.

America functioned very well without an income tax throughout the history of this Republic. The answer to the question of funding without a direct tax is found is Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution since 1787. It provides for Congress to pass a legislative bill for tax money to be paid by each state in proportion to its population.

Proper, constitutional funding will allow large amounts of money to fund a limited form of Republican government. To continue on the path of this massive and unconstitutional spending will bring a final and total collapse of the economy. Make no mistake about it.
>> Anonymous
the value of gold and the value of money are both man made.
>> Anonymous
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please check it out

http://moviesfoundonline.com/america_freedom_to_fascism.php
>> Anonymous
>>891511
Godwin's Law is always in effect. The actual Law just says "As fucktards debate longer, the odds of someone calling someone else a nazi approach 100%."

Better to say "This discussion now fails on account of reductio ad Hitlerum".
>> Anonymous
>>891497
hey jew, can i have some of your gold plz?
>> Anonymous
Except that the Value of Gold is a set standard, not arbitrary. It is determined by market demand, and will always have at least *some* value.

Money, on the other hand, is completely retarded to base the value of money on.
>> Anonymous
>>891525
Agreed.

Gold has value because its a scarce, rare mineral

Paper money has no fucking "natural" value
>> Anonymous
>>891514
Yeah, I did copypasta :p
>> Anonymous
fuck the dollar. its nothing more than a reminder of what we used to have....which is our gold. back before the federal reserve took act, we used to use these bills as receipts to get at the gold.
>> Anonymous
Roads can be done quite simply. When a business sets up shop, it pays for the roads into and out of it's immediate area. When you buy a house, you would pay for the street as well. The fact is, owned property is handled better than Government property.

Now, there would have to be some kind of body directing this sort of thing, which is where LOCAL government comes into play. But hey, let's not get off track.
>> Anonymous
>>891514
So... you're getting rid of federal income tax... by throwing the burden onto the states... to raise *their* income taxes. BRILLIANT!

Nothing makes me more convinced that Ron Paul is a nutter, than listening to his half-baked pseudointellectual supporters.
>> Anonymous
>>891533
So... I would pay directly for the road in front of my house, and the local government would get that money from me and coordinate how it's spent.

This is different from a tax *how*, exactly?
>> Anonymous
No, retard.

Listen, dismantling the beauracracy of the Federal government alleviates massive amounts of tax money. HOWEVER, there is still some amount that must be spent on such things as roads, etc etc. State taxes cover these things, though they are far LESS than would be paid to federal.
>> Anonymous
You own the road.
>> Anonymous
>>891514

Have you seen ZEITGEIST?
Being as educated as you are on the topic, I'm sure you have.

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Link:
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/2005513/Zeitgeist_DVDRip_XviD
>> Anonymous
>>891535
Well how the fuck would you go about it?!
Federal reserve just uses the income tax to pay off the debt from interest built up from printing more money of fucking thin air....there is no value to it!!!!!
So everyone has to pitch in, not fucking putting the burden you dumb fuck!
>> Anonymous
I will vote for Ron Paul, because he cares about UFOs.

>>891519
The agency used as a source for Al Gore's movie has since announced that their findings were flawed.

Also, while dinosaurs died from climate change, they did not have a space program. They had Tyrannosaurs in F-14s, but no Saturn V rockets.
>> Anonymous
jesus christ people need to get educated. please watch freedom to fascism. theres a link there where the al gore gif is at. it explains every aspect and angle.
>> Anonymous
>>891514
So... this Bill is passed in 1787. The federal government taxes spiris in, what, 1791? Whiskey Rebellion, amirite?

In other words, it took the founding fathers roughly *4 years* to figure out that that's a retarded system.
>> Anonymous
>>891545
Of course ;]
>> Anonymous
It took them 4 years to figure out that they needed money to fund a war.
>> Anonymous
To all of the "gold is so awesome, the dollar is teh suck" dumbfucks please read some actual works of economics (see:anything by Milton Friedman) instead of blindly listening to Ron Paul who's ideas on economics are completed outdated.

Also, the income tax isn't unconstitutional, because it's a fucking amendment. To say that the founding fathers opposed an income is
a)difficult to prove
b)doesn't mean a fucking thing if they did because the world economy has had one of the largest transformations in history since they wrote the Constitution. Please think in 2007 terms, not 1789 terms or even 1940 terms.
>> Anonymous
>>891548
I'd do it by gathering funds from all citizens, in a proportion according the amount of money they make. To avoid the wasteful redundancy of 50 different bureaucracies doing the same job, I'd set up one body to handle that.

In other words, I'd HAVE A FUCKING INCOME TAX, YOU MORON. Because I'm not a retarded lemur and I have to live in the real world, where people DON'T automatically pitch in.
>> Anonymous
a.) It's too bad we don't have any of their writing that claim that they don't want a federal ta... oh wait.
b.) Right, instead of remember what we did in the past that worked, let's focus on what we have now that doesn't.

Brilliant.
>> Anonymous
that amendment wast even ratified by the supreme courts numb nuts. if the supreme courts never passed it then, then there is no law now.
>> Anonymous
>>891559
"There is no method of steering clear of this inconvenience, but by authorizing the national government to raise its own revenues in its own way. Imposts, excises, and, in general, all duties upon articles of consumption, may be compared to a fluid, which will, in time, find its level with the means of paying them. The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions....

It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption, that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them." - Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 21, December 12, 1787
>> Anonymous
Yes, let's have a big fucking organization do the job that could be done more conveniently in each state, with individual states taking taxes for each state's needs. Nope, that'd be retarded, let's just tax EVERYONE and pocket the difference. Oh wait, there is no difference, there's just a huge ass fucking bill.


Oops.
>> Anonymous
>>891564
ITT: Ron Paul supporters fail to understand our government, as usual.

Legislature - Passes laws and amends the constitution.
Judiciary - Interprets laws in light of the constitution.
>> Who Cares? Anonymous
Bring on the porn, the US can not get any fucking worse at this point!
>> Anonymous
He's a troll, no one is that stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>891562
a)You could easily be right, but I would like some sauce (and more than just one founding father please).
b)Yes, we really want what worked when the majority of Americans lived on farms and the idea of a "factory" was a remote concept. Get with the 21th century or, at the very least, the 20th. The founding fathers were good for their time, but a society must change or else it will just start to suck. Do you serious propose with stick with the ideas that were good ideas in the late 18th century.

>>891564
Holy fuck, you're retarded, the Supreme Court has absolutely nothing to do with ratifying an Amendment.
>> Anonymous
>>891560
"...America did just fine without a federal income tax for the first 126 years of her history. Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker's paycheck. Even today, individual income taxes account for only approximately one-third of federal revenue. Eliminating one-third of the proposed 2007 budget would still leave federal spending at roughly $1.8 trillion – a sum greater than the budget just 6 years ago in 2000!"

yum
>> Anonymous
>>891568
Convenient != efficient. Convenient != cheap.

Witness any CONVENIENCE store.
>> Anonymous
It would be cheap and efficient.

For the individual states, it would also be convenient. For the Federal, it would be inconvenient.
>> Anonymous
>>891566
Fail.
This is same guy who favored a Senate for life and a President with almost complete veto power. Hamilton had some great ideas but he was also unbelievably reactionary in some aspects (a.k.a. he didn't really believe in democracy).
>> Anonymous
still there is no law that states the average american citizen to pay an income tax. it is unconstitutional. the definition of income in the constitution is defined by gains or profits from corporate activity. not our income.
>> Anonymous
>>891583
Well, not too many of them really did. That's why we have a Republic. If you disagree... imagine the average American. Then imagine that, by definition, 49.9999% of Americans are even dumber than that fucking douchebag.
>> Anonymous
>>891588
Best refutation of Democracy over Republic ever.
>> Anonymous
>>891585
Stupidity strikes again.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

You can bitch about the 16th Amendment, but it is most definitely part of the constitution and it most definitely legalizes an income tax. Idiot.

>>891575

Tariffs are horrible. Also, while I'm not a big fan of the welfare state it's perfectly easy to see the benefits of it.
>> Anonymous
>>891595
For the truly retarded and egotistical, who'll ignore the fact that one day, they might NEED IT, amongst the benefits to citizens who NEVER gon on welfare: People who can get welfare don't have to steal your shit to buy food.
>> Anonymous
>>891588

Your wit is wonderful, but that doesn't ignore the fact that Hamilton basically disliked the idea of the lower classes even being able to participate in government. That is not a very Democratic (or Republican >_>) approach to government.
>> Anonymous
>>891595
The only 'benefit' to the welfare state is the abdication of personal responsibility, which comes at the cost of personal liberty.
>> Anonymous
>>891599
leave it to charities
>> Anonymous
>>891596
Yes, let's base our system of Government on the assumption that the people will have to break our laws. That makes so much more sense than designing a system where people aren't required to break laws to make ends meet.
>> Anonymous
Libertarians: those who don't believe that roads, education, and society can be fixed by government, but who believe that roads, education and society can be fixed by magic.
>> Anonymous
>>891597
It's entirely the point of a republic. The common people don't understand politics. Look at all these fucking Ron Paul zombies - they can't understand "Amendments to the Constitution are, by definition, CONSTITUTIONAL." Don't ask them what impact the price of the dollar has on oil, or the broad impact of a minimum wage.

A Republic, ideally, allows even retards like the Paulites to find someone smarter, who hopefully understands those things, with whom they agree on basic principles, and let that person make the decisions they are not well-informed enough to make.

Neither is a perfect system. Democracy lasts till people (Like RonPaulstafarians) figure out that they can vote themselves money from the treasury, and fuck the state. Republics last until candidates (Like Ron Paul) realize that convincing people you have good ideas is better than actually HAVING good ideas.
>> Anonymous
>>The only 'benefit' to the welfare state is the abdication of personal responsibility, which comes at the cost of personal liberty.

When I say "welfare state", I don't mean welfare alone. I mean the health care system, the public school system (it was around earlier, but it has seen massive funding increases), Medicare (fucking dumbest idea ever) and Social Security. Do I think that some parts of the welfare state should be rolled back others eliminated entirely perhaps? Yes. However, you also increase education levels, people's life expectancies and their well being in old age through the welfare state so to say that the abdication of personal responsibility is the only thing that comes with the welfare state is silly.
>> Anonymous
>>891604
Libertarians: those who don't believe that roads, education, and society can be fixed by government, but who believe that roads, education and society can be fixed by people.

fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>891602
If your Government isn't based in the realization that people will break its laws, your Government isn't going to last very long.

Payne is right - the purpose of Government is to limit man's excesses to evil - crime. Giving someone a welfare check is cheaper than investigating the murder they'd commit robbing a guy for the money they need to buy food. Not to mention the "no murder" advantage.
>> Anonymous
>>891605

The problem is that often educated people have incredibly fucking dumb ideas. Communism for instance. One of the worst ideas ever created and its strongest support base were the intellectuals who are part of the group that is supposedly smarter than "the people". The point of a Republic is that the elite needs a way of protecting itself against the masses. That is a reasonable principle. However, Hamilton didn't simply want to check the masses, he (or, more accurately he wanted someone else to) wanted to rule over them. That is not Republican at all.
>> Anonymous
>>891609

That principle works most of the time, but when it doesn't it can really fuck up.
>> Anonymous
>>891615
Much like Communism. Different extremes, both assuming a perfect world in order to work. Idealism over Realism.
>> Anonymous
>>891609

Libertarians: those who don't believe that roads, education, and society can be fixed by elected groups of people, but who believe that roads, education and society can be fixed by random unaccountable people.

re-fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>891618
Truth
>> Anonymous
>>891618

Ever heard of the market. Apparently not, as all you probably learned about economics was how evil corporations are.

>>891617

Communism sucks in practice and in theory. Big difference. Libertarianism in its pure form will at least increase wealth (even if it causes serious problems), while Communism will always fuck up a country.
>> Anonymous
"Yes, we do. Just for those making over ninety grand a year."

Dude, you're talking to libertarians. Our entire basis of thought is that the government is bad, and that you should be able to spend your money how you want to because it's YOURS. It's about freedom.

Fucking income tax for over 90k a year? That's socialism. That's the exact opposite of what any free thinking individual is going to want. "Let's live off the rich! That's the american dream!" Fuck you. It's money grubbing bitches like you that want our successful to fund a government that's WAAAAAAAAY too fucking powerful for it's own good. That entire field of thought is in contrast to what any American outside of boston believes. Go suck hillary's fucking clit you pinko commie bitch.
>> Anonymous
Are you implying that our current elected officials have some form of accountability?
>> Anonymous
>>891624
Hilary tron does not receive oral stimulation.
>> Anonymous
>>891376
sauce
>> Anonymous
>>891623
I heard of "the market" it was that thing killing children and lower class laborers in mines and factories during the Industrial Revolution before "the government" stepped in. The market doesn't restrain a goddamn thing, because evil is usually profitable.

>>891624
Without government services, you're not making $90k/yr. You're not making shit per year. You're dead in a ditch, shot by one of the plebes you despise, who lost his hand in your factory, and his job with his hand, thus had no other way to feed his fucking family, because that's how "the market" likes it.

tl;dr: GTFO retard.
>> Anonymous
Rule 34 on Clinton Clit.
>> Anonymous
>>891623

Ever heard of market failure. Apparently not, as all you probably learned about economics was how you can buy things with money at the store.
>> Anonymous
>>891633
Yes because an open economy forces unsafe practices. Only bad businessmen cultivate any kind of a negative image. It's bad for business. Much better to run a safe operation than to have negative press.

If a worker was injured during a job, and it was not the fault of the company, than he has no reason to attack his employer.
>> Anonymous
>>891633

The market certainly has flaws. However it raises the standard of living by a huge amount. You can bitch about factory laborers having a tough time but
a)they didn't have any useful skills, so they didn't really deserve much pay
b)working in factories greatly increased their income.
Again, there were not no flaws or problems. It was just far better than socialism or, worse, communism. You also need to read a real fucking book on economics instead of the Communist Manifesto or some such shit, you might learn that markets actually work well. Saying "markets evil", just demonstrates your complete ignorance of economics.
>> Anonymous
34 on Clinton Clit.
>> Anonymous
>>891639

Yes, I do know about market failure. I have said, a couple of times now, that there can be problems that arise when government takes a completely laissez-faire approach. I just think that people need to understand markets/market economics, because most people don't
>> Ron Paul
GOING BACK TO THE GOLD STANDARD IS A REALISTIC AND INTELLIGENT IDEA
THE MARKET WILL POLICE ITSELF AND COULD NEVER POSSIBLY OPPRESS THE CONSUMER
THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION WERE INCAPABLE OF MISTAKE AND EVERYTHING THOSE GUYS DID AND THOUGHT TWO CENTURIES AGO WAS INHERENTLY CORRECT AND INFALLIBLE
>> JuryRigged
Any of you morons supporting bigger government care to explain why, with over 200 years of growth, the government doesn't provide food? I mean, we're talking about Universal Health Care, why not Universal Food? Feed everyone!
>> Anonymous
>>891650

Points one and three are both good, but point three, again liberals show they have no idea how the economy work.
>> Anonymous
>>891650
The Gold standard is a realistic idea. It would also help to manage inflation.
The consumer holds power in an open market.
We're not saying that they were infallible, they weren't saying they were infallible. But there are certain ideas that are inherently good, one of those being personal freedom and liberty.
>> Anonymous
fuck government
>> Anonymous
that goes without saying on 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>891657
Gold Standard---->Exacerbation of the Great Depression and slackening of growth. It has good effects, but those are easily outweighed by the bad.
"The consumer holds power in an open market." Win indeed. In a market where there are not cartels/monopolies, the consumer is the one with the one. Hence neoclassical economics does oppose monopolies and usually supports their breakup.
They are good concepts. However, times change and I don't see what's so unnatural or wrong about giving up some of your liberties for benefits (hey, just by forming a government you are giving up a ton of liberties).
>> Anonymous
That's no reason to give up the rest.

The right to own land is next, imminent domain is breaking into that.

The right to bear arms is going to be fucked with too.

Now, with taxes going up to fund either a Republican War or a Democratic Welfare State, America needs another option. Someone who doesn't want us to waste money on the war, or set up Government controlled bureaucracies. Like Ron Paul.
>> Anonymous
There's one on page one!
>> Anonymous
>>891672

I just see it as a cost benefit thing. If the benefits to society exceed the damage done to liberties than the law/amendment is probably a good idea. Is it hard to measure damage done to liberties? Yes, but I still prefer this approach to the idea of sticking to liberty no matter what. There are certain rights that I think should be guaranteed, but other than that I'm pretty flexible.
>> Anonymous
Ron Paul is a racist moron.
>> Anonymous
how is he racist? give me one good example
>> Anonymous
better yet, state a FACT that hes racist.
>> Anonymous
yeah thats right, shut up.
>> Anonymous
um...the income tax doesn't pay for any of these things...
>> Anonymous
>>891477

Um...that's exactly what the fed does and it has dropped the bottom out of the dollar...
>> Anonymous
>>891559
It's an amendment that the supreme court has said gives the federal government no new rights of taxation...so...they are still bound by the direct(approtioned equally)/indirect codes set in the constitution. additionally, the supreme court has defined what 'income' is. it is corporate gains/profits. the government taxes these (legally). income is NOT, i repeat income is NOT, i repeat income is NOT your wages for the work you do with your body - that is personal property, which the supreme court has said is untaxable.
>> Anonymous
>>891569

though he was wrong, at least his heart is in the right place. the 16th amendment, however, is illegitimate, as it was not ratified by the states.
>> Anonymous
>>891574

i do. i think the ideas of the 18th century listed in our constitution are some good ones that should be upheld. do you not?
>> Anonymous
>>891599

motherfucking spot on.
>> Anonymous
>>891633
"I heard of "the market" it was that thing killing children and lower class laborers in mines and factories during the Industrial Revolution before "the government" stepped in. The market doesn't restrain a goddamn thing, because evil is usually profitable."

I lol'd so hard I pulled a muscle.
>> Anonymous
FUCK RON PAUL!
>> Anonymous
>>891680

"I just see it as a cost benefit thing. If the benefits to society exceed the damage done to liberties than the law/amendment is probably a good idea. Is it hard to measure damage done to liberties? Yes, but I still prefer this approach to the idea of sticking to liberty no matter what. There are certain rights that I think should be guaranteed, but other than that I'm pretty flexible."

oh my fucking god. are you serious? first off, define society? also, if you are willing to grant certain rights 'flexibility'...then what is to stop the government or a majority from saying the ones you think should be 'guaranteed' should be flexible as well? their altruism?

ok. i'm going to do something for you 4chan, as you obviously need it.

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/newliberty2.asp

start reading and don't stop until you appreciate liberty.
>> Anonymous
personally, i like huckabee
>> Anonymous
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/NBC_Warren_Buffett_wants_more_taxes_1030.html