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Anonymous
sup /fit/

how long would it take and what would I have to do to go from left to right?

6'3", 177 lbs.
>> Anonymous
A year of normal working out maybe?
A few months if you had a personal trainer and could work out like 8-12 hours a day like a movie star/bodybuilder
>> Anonymous
A while. Assuming you are in bad shape right now it would take some time before you could hit the cardio hard like you'd have to, in addition to a strict diet.

I'd say 8 months if you stayed to a ridiculous plan. 12 is a more reasonable one IMO.
>> Anonymous
>>179622
Not OP, but I'm in similar shape. What kind of cardio are we talking here?
>> Anonymous
I eat pretty well (was eating a hell of a lot better in May after reading Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle. but then I got back home and psychological/feeling trapped/bullshit kept me from 6 small meals every couple of hours), also pescatarian.

Have no troubles lifting weights or doing cardio-- in fact I was doing that for the first couple of months of the year until rehearsals started and I lost all my time. (theatre major so time gets eaten up)

also I think I just realized my problem: I need to figure out how to keep going at what I start.
>> Anonymous
>>179632

20-40 minutes of solid cardio...meaning jogging for 30 minutes. If you are out of shape, 10 minutes is going to be hard and you will have to build yourself up to physically being able to sustain 30 minutes of jogging.

Once you reach that point just run daily if possible and the fat should come off no problem. Hopefully by the time you've built yourself up cardio wise you will have been lifting too and you should start seeing the physical changes in your body. It will take time though...people expect to be a whole different person after a week of running and lifting and its just not the case.
>> Anonymous
>>179641
What about HIIT? Don't like it?
>> Anonymous
>>179643

Well depends on what you're going for. If you are looking to lose weight I don't think you can go wrong with jogging. If I was the OP I'd definitely consider HIIT because he doesn't look like he needs to lose a whole lot of fat, but I'm assuming most people would and I wouldn't recommend HIIT for someone who substantially overweight and out of shape.
>> Anonymous
>>179652
OP here: I'm going to be doing some HIIT because I'm fuckin' skinnyfat at about 18%BF and I'd like to get down to at least 12.

I've yet to successfully complete a HIIT session, mostly because I have no idea how to time it. Perhaps I should invest in a watch.
>> Anonymous
Not OP, but what are some good HIIT routines?
>> Anonymous
I'd give it a good two years.

Let's say six months to get the right body fat percentage, then around 16 months to get build the muscle, another two months to cut back down to the right body fat percentage.

But the important thing is that you can definitely do it.
>> Anonymous
You have gyno. Working out won't fix that.
>> Anonymous
become an hero FGT.
>> Anonymous
>>180193
$4000 will
>> Anonymous
>>180193
Yup saving up for mine as we speak.
>> Anonymous
>>179751
you have to build the muscle first, then cut down to the bodyfat % if you are doing it naturally
>> Anonymous
If you're worried about how long it's gonna take, that just tells me you're interested in being "LOLBRADPITTHOT" and you really give fuck all about living a lifestyle based around dedicated lifting.

People who live a /fit/ life take it day by day and aren't overly concerned about looking like a fake Hollywood actor, they focus themselves on gradual improvement and the mental wellbeing that dedication brings them. The good body just comes in time. You probably lack the discipline.
>> Anonymous
>>180210
It's the other way around.
Cutting down on fat after building up muscles will just result in he muscles disappearing because the energy saved in them is used before the bodyfat. After all, the fat is just backup energy.
>> Anonymous
>>180231


No... no it won't.
>> Skippy das Buschkänguruh !!MIDnJbhFIVQ
>>180231
The body uses fat first.
It's easier to first bulk up and then cut because you can overeat in the bulking process. If you'd do it the other way around you have to watch your diet more closely so you don't gain fat. If you don't eat enough however, you'll delay your muscle growth.

So bulk up first and then cut.
>> Anonymous
>>180231
Yeah? Well, what the fuck do you know, YOU LYING CUNT!?

Just GTFO, and take your saggy man-tits with you, you cock-sucking sack of fail concentrate.
>> Anonymous
>>180231
wrong, muscles are the last to be consumed.

But yet, you still do it the other way around, no point in risking loosing TOO much bodyfat and subsequently loosing some musclemass
>> Anonymous
>>180231

Losing muscle is mostly a myth. You don't lose muscle unless you go into heavy malnutrition (under 1k calories a day) and don't work out at all. And you lose them this way because of ATROPHY, not because your body is using them as ENERGY.

Fat is and always will be your body's direct source of fuel when it realizes it isn't getting enough food or getting food often enough. The ONLY purpose fat serves in your body is to be stored fuel, whereas muscles are required for the vast majority of your survival...your body is not stupid and it won't consume muscles and organs for energy until it has totally exhausted all other options.

tl;dr: You lose muscle via atrophy from not working them. Your muscles adapt to whatever type of physical performance you are doing, if you sit on your butt your muscles get complacent and if you use them they adapt to meet the requirements.
>> Anonymous
newb at training here

so what happens if I decide to cut from 18%BF to 14 first (with heavy lifting and high-protein/moderate fat/low carb) and then bulk (heavy lifting as well)?

just getting some ideas from the "john stone fitness" site
>> Anonymous
>>180353
when you bulk you gain some fat again.
In the region of 18 to 20 %.
So, bulk now and cut later.
>> Anonymous
>>180294
cardio doesn't stimulate your muscles enough fro you body to want to keep them
>> Anonymous
>>180353
yeah, bulk diet or cut diet whatever, just make sure heavy lifting is your mainstay
>> Anonymous
>>180375

Yes, it does. You really never took anatomy or anything, did you?

Just because running doesn't make you look like a fucking body builder does not mean you're rapidly losing muscle.
>> Anonymous
OP here. Thanks for the suggestions-- anyone have a good starting plan that would just use body weight? I won't have access to a gym until August.

And as for the person who said that I was doing it for looks: This is partially true. I'm a theatre major, and having that "athletic" body look would benefit me in the future, job-wise.
>> Anonymous
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Listen, you dumb niggers, get the spooge out of your eyes and fucking read John Berardi at T-nation already.

Muscle is lost preferentially in a calorie deficit at a low BF, and fat is lost preferrentially at a high BF; but conversely, whenever a caloric surplus exists, muscle is gained preferentially at a low BF, and more fat is packed on when someone is already quite fat. These are for untrained individuals, so the process gets a bit sweeter for the trainee, but the fact remains that dieting those last few pounds is more catabolic than the previous tens of pounds, but compensated by the quicker lean muscle gain coming off the cut.

All weight gain should be done in the 12-8% BF range. So sayeth the sage. Now you may all return to your games of grab-ass.
>> Anonymous
year but its not unreasonable for 8 months