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Ok, martial artists of /fit/. I have a blackbelt in judo, and recently i started taking muay thai. I do not get tired during training, but my arms do. My shoulders give up extremely early, and i can't keep my hands up after that.

Does this have to do with my weightlifting style? I do a westside routine. Or is it because i'm not used to boxing-like martial arts yet?
>> Anonymous
The way your arms are used in Thai is pretty damned different from judo. Since it's pretty much ground-fighting, you haven't got to hold your arms up constantly, just grab onto a leg or whatever.

Unless you have fucking toothpick arms it's probably not that, your arms just aren't built up for boxing. Try working a bag/sparring with wrist weights or weighted gloves.
>> Anonymous
>>116123
It's kinda the opposite, my arms are douchbagery-big...

It's amazing that i have trained in martial arts for over 5 years and i still don't know how to throw a punch.
>> Anonymous
When you first start boxing, even just keeping your hands up for a while with 12-16 oz gloves on can get really tiring. I even see really experienced guys start to drop their hands towards the end of the day.
Your shoulders and back just aren't used to the workload, and that specific kind of stress yet. Punching while holding any significant weight (above about 2 pounds) has kind of fallen out of favor with most boxing coaches because the weight places downward resistance instead of backward; but my Muay Thai coach will sometimes have us hold 5 pound dumbbells and just bounce and move around with our hands up. It really helps build the muscles in the shoulders to where you don't have to worry about dropping your guard unless you're completely gassed.

Just give it time man; and congrats on the black belt.
>> Anonymous
>>116131

Ask youtube?

And use your hips.
>> Anonymous
>>116131
That's because Judo is shitty and pussy, unless you're really good. It's full of nerdy faggots thinking they're Jacky Chan because they do it, regardless of whether they're good.

If you arms are RIDICULOUSLY big, you can limit your movement range, because you muscle gets in the way. Post a pic though. It's more likely you're just not used to the movement of punching - whenever you try a new sport of exercise, there's always one muscle you aint even realised you've got that get sore cus it's never used. After a while it'll strengthen up.
>> Anonymous
>>116138

Hey, judo throws aren't that bad, if you tweak em a bit.
>> Anonymous
>>116140

Yeah, there are a handful of Judo throws that work really well no gi.
Taking someone down from the clinch is a fuck lot safer than shooting a single or a double anyway. For anyone who grapples no gi, how long do you spend defending against wrestling shoots? How long do you spend learning to counter judo throws from the clinch?

So many fighters now have good take down defense and such dangerous sprawls that you're really rolling the dice if you shoot in for a single or a double.
>> Anonymous
>>116138
I heard that from many other people, most of them didn't even practice any martial art. And judo isn't the martial art full of weeaboo nerds, it's tae kwon do you are looking at.
>> Anonymous
>>116147

Thai clinch is miles better than the lapel shit. Hip toss and all that.

>>116147

That's why you open up with some strikes first.
>> Anonymous
>>116154
I'm a kickboxer, sparring full contact every week. Don't mean to sound like a cunt, but I don't have a huge amount of respect for any martial art that doesn't have contact sparring - kind of takes the 'martial' out of the art.
>> Anonymous
>>116160
Judo is a grappling art, and it has sparring, the randori. It is extremely exhausting too and if you do not believe that you need grappling knowledge in order to be, well, even considered at a martial arts competition then you are an idiot.
>> Anonymous
that has nothing to do with judo or muay thai blahblah

it's something in your muscle
it sound a bit like lactose or something like that
acid like
if you have too much of it, your muscle will tire faster
you will feel ok, not tired, but feel really hard to keep your arm up

in a Randy Couture's DVD, he had a little device used to calculate the "lactthing" easily
try to look up on that
>> Anonymous
>>116160
>I'm a kickboxer, sparring full contact every week.

Enjoy ur brain damage.
Seriously, I'm definitely a proponent of going at full steam when it's safe (IE rolling), but full force kick boxing on a regular basis is just stupid.
We have a kid who's 21 at our gym who's had five concussions from that kind of thing when he was at another gym. He's a tremendous athlete, but the chances of him having a successful fighting career without being a vegetable by the end of it are slim to none.
>> Anonymous
>>116180

forget to add that it's related to weight lifting
>> Anonymous
Yeah, Crocop, woooohooo!!
>> Anonymous
>>116180
Lactic acid.
>> Anonymous
>>116180
That's called lactic acid and it builds in your muscles due to less effective removal of it during excersise. It generally causes fatigue. You are underage.
>> Anonymous
>>116192

that's it
thank you anon I coudn't remenber it
>> Anonymous
Heavy bag work followed by speedbag work. By the time your done with these two, your arms will burn.

Or you can follow your pic and say "fuck the punches" and practice on a straight left and left high kick.