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Get your wisdom teeth pulled Anonymous
Don't wait ten years.

Kill for the money if you have to.

They are taking at least 3 other teeth down with them.
>> Anonymous
But they're not causing any problems now...
>> Anonymous
I'm sure the pain isn't /that/ bad if you suck down enough vicadin...for the rest of your life.
>> Anonymous
I was told by the surgeon that I actually have enough room for them and they have partially come through. I have a fukken HUEG mouth.
>> Anonymous
My wisdom teeth started crumbling, tiny bits were dropping off so I went to doc. All of them got pulled in one shot. Wasn't too bad, at least until the fucking painkillers stopped affecting... and the fucking doc didn't prescribe me any good shit so I was in constant pain for couple days.
>> Anonymous
actually, you can wait arbitrarily long, as long as you get xrays of them twice a year to see what they are up to. I didn't do this, and in the course of about 4 years one of them rotated to the horizontal position and then bored into the adjacent molar. BAD NEWS I'm not going to get into the details of that ordeal.
>> Anonymous
The sad thing is the wisdom teeth (moarlike stupidity teeth amirite) are in perfect condition, & have just destroyed my rear molars. So I am spitting out chunks of tooth I need for chewing. meanwhile the wisdom teeth are in rosy fine shape...but fucking worthless because they are never going to be level & can't be used to chew with.
>> Anonymous
>>383685

No really you can't wait. Well I mean you CAN as in it's physically possible. I sure did.

But you can't & still be anything but a complete fucking moron who is gambling with intense ruin & pain the likes of which few can grasp. Not to mention that it WILL. be worse the longer you wait, no exceptions. Financially, to say nothing of the pain & the fact that it's quite likely my jaw will be broken taking these out.

You can stick your hand, holding 5 thousand dollars, & shove it in & out of industrial machinery. You CAN. Arbitrarily. You may even get away with just a few nicks & cuts. But it really is the same thing.
>> Anonymous
>>383685

Do tell....!
>> Anonymous
>>383690

did you even read what I wrote? The point is that it's possible for wisdom teeth to come in without any damage, and you can wait until it's clear whether you need to take them out or not, so long as you keep very close regular tabs on their behavior. Dentists just love to take them out without question just cause its easier for them to do this.

Okay anon383691, I will indulge since I can't sleep. Basically the dentist wanted to take out both teeth and install an implant in its place, but my dad, who was an old school dentist (but not local and not practicing anymore), suggested a more complicated procedure which I agreed with, because if your mouth rejects an implant you're fucked with nowhere else to go. So we removed the wisdom tooth, then performed a hemi-section on the other molar, which means we cut the diseased half off, and then I got a root canal and crown on top of the hemi-sectioned tooth. Plus I had to wait a couple weeks in between the hemi-section and the root canal, which basically meant I had to endure a gaping exposed nerve in my mouth that entire time. not fun but it turned out all right in the end.
>> Anonymous
>>383714

So was it worth it or would you recommend just yanking that fucker while I am already knocked out & just calling it a day?
>> Anonymous
>>383727

well the problem with just yanking teeth is that if there isn't another tooth to oppose it above or below, you risk your teeth shifting around in bad, bad ways and causing you even more problems in the future. your teeth are really held in their place by nothing but friction.
>> Anonymous
>>383742

The oral surgeon wants to take out all 4 wisdom teeth (kind of a must I guess) plus the two lower rear molars they have destroyed, & then the one on top with the huge crater in it.

My question was, what the fuck am I supposed to chew with then??
>> Anonymous
>>383746

you'll still have some premolars right?

I'm bigoted against younger dentists. I would go find the oldest dentist you can and ask for a 2nd opinion from them. In fact, I don't let anyone work in my mouth unless they have no traces of colored hair on their head.

you can always get implants, but they're espensive, and your mouth might reject them.
>> Anonymous
>>383751

This guy was probably like 50ish.

On one hand I feel like older guys have more experience & are less money hungry. On the other hand, they are less likely to be up on more modern, recent practices or at least less inclined to be on board with them when thy can just keep doing less-desirable-for-me, easier-for-them stuff.

OP here btw, x-ray is me from today.
>> Anonymous
what age should u have em removed? i'm 19 right now and i see like the peak of them pushing out of the gum and actually part of it is penetrating the side of the gum so im assuming its coming out some retarded shape and it sort of hurts when i touch that gum or chew

should i get it out NOW?
>> Anonymous
>>383764

I would. I would have saved like 5K & years of miserable hell if I had just had them done back then. (I am 33 nao)
>> Anonymous
>>383773
ok thanks but if i wait a year or two i hope it wont make diffference

my dentist told to get em out asap when i talked to him cuz i had gotten braces off and he said they would mis align the teeth if i didnt gdi
>> Anonymous
>>383764


well i got em out at 18, i thought i was fine til the x-ray showed that were fucking pushing against my molar horizontally....my teeth sifted back once the wisdoms were gone..

go get an z-ray, if your wisdoms is laying horizontal-ish then it might be best to take em out cuz your molars will be fucked.
>> Anonymous
>>383655
the older you get teh harder they are to extract.
compacted wisdom teeth will fuck up the alignment of all your teeth making you need braces for years on end.
>> Anonymous
>>383683
Yeah I went through something similar.
>> Anonymous
I haven't been to the dentist in 6 years.
I'm so fucked.
>> Anonymous
I just got mine done, and two root-canals crowned.

Shit hurt like a bitch, and now i look like a freakshow.
>> Anonymous
My dentist tells me that the wisdom teeth, being way back where they are, are so hard to clean that you might as well get them pulled before they really get set in place.
>> Anonymous
Teach creationism, they said
>> Anonymous
I've had my wisdom teeth since I was 14...
>> Anonymous
>>384967
If most people didn't eat or drink sugary shit, they'd never need to see a dentist in their lives, even if they never brushed or flossed.
>> Anonymous
>>384991
That's not even remotely true. I eat an extremely low-sugar diet, and my teeth ended up fairly fucked after just a couple of years with no dentist. REGULAR CLEANINGS, PEOPLE. Plaque *will* build up in the nooks and also in the crannies of your molars.
>> Anonymous
>>384991
...anyway, my point was, you don't need regular dentist visits unless you eat sugary stuff or have white fillings.

Metal fillings can last your whole life, although people do tend to need them replaced because they don't change their habits and they get tooth decay around the edges of their fillings, which are weak spots.

But white fillings only last a few years, and then you need to go back to the dentist and get them redone. Dentists love white fillings. They are total job security.

Other kinds of complicated dental work can also fall apart.

If you ever need anything done, never settle for anything but metal fillings and implants.

But the best thing is just: don't drink sweet beverages, don't snack between meals, and don't leave anything sticking to your teeth. You shouldn't need dentists at all.

Fuck regular dental checkups.
>> Anonymous
>>385017
As I said, you're full of shit. My dental hygeine and diet were good, but that can't stop plaque. That stuff is cumulative. That's why they go in with metal scrapers and picks. Fuck checkups, but get your regular six month cleanings.
>> Anonymous
>>385023
Use a fucking toothpick. Don't let shit stick to your teeth, you dork.

People lived for thousands and thousands of years with no dentists or dental hygienists, and cavities were rare until we started cultivating sugarcane.
>> Anonymous
i've gotta get all four of mine pulled on the 29th of this month. fucking sucks. i'm freaked out as hell about it.
>> Anonymous
>>385036
No, people lived for a few decades. You don't need to preserve your teeth when you're going to die in your thirties. *You* may not have cavities (though how would you know, if you don't go to the dentist?), but that doesn't mean that those of us who have had them "let shit stick to our teeth". The bottom line is that with good to average dental hygeine and a good to average diet, cavities are still possible, and become more likely the longer you go without a cleaning. And no matter what happened before we started cultivating sugar cane, it's damn well cultivated now. I'm not worried about getting the last laugh here—I have only to wait—but I'd rather you not take anyone else down with your poor molars.
>> Anonymous
>>385036

Living well into your 30's was rare, too.
>> Anonymous
>>385059
>>385063
Do a little fucking studying instead of just parroting these ignorant myths.

Life expectancy approximately doubled between ancient times and modern times for the simple reason that we cut infant mortality down from approximately 50% to nearly 0%.

A life expectancy of 30 actually arose from a reality of most people either dying as a baby or living to around 60.

Hunter-gatherers and people in primitive civilizations commonly lived into their 60s. And they rarely had cavities.

The cavity plague started right around the time Coca-Cola was first produced. Not because Coca-Cola is specifically to blame, but because the invention of Coke coincided with the rest of the heavily sweetened diet.

If you don't eat or drink sweet stuff, and you don't have some health problem like dry mouth, you don't have to worry about cavities, and that is that.
>> Anonymous
>>385059
also people in the past at very very little sugar compared to us. south american indians had perfect white teeth even in old age, thanks to a diet without refined sugars.
>> Anonymous
>>385088

this fag knows his pre vs post modern society arguments. well done. even MOAR interesting is how the rise of 'traditional' agriculture leads to the rest of maladies found in modern society. from osteoporosis, cavities, sacropenia, arthritis, obesity, diabetes, and CVD.
this simply wasnt found in the cohort even 100 years before an area adopted 'traditional' agriculture (like corn, wheat, etc)

they know this because of the 'layered' burial grounds Indians used, where each 10ft corresponded to a different 'epoch' and its 'advances'
>> Anonymous
Ugh, one of my wisdom teeth has gone pretty horizontal over the last year, and I really need to get this done. On top of everything, I'm apparently one of the "special" people who grows an extra tooth on each side of my top set of teeth.

6 teeth out at once... Woo boy... Any good survival tips? Also, I've been wondering, how long does it take to heal?
>> Anonymous
>>385088

umm...no. let's do some real history here for a second:

following the expanded availability of sugarcane from colonies in south america (see "columbian exchange"), incidents of tooth decay skyrocketed in continental europe, with tooth decay related illnesses rising to one of the leading causes of death in the population there (true story).

the relation between tooth decay and sweets is obvious, but if you think sweets and coca cola splashed on the scene at the same time, u, my friend, are retarded.
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
>>385124
I had 6 too.

Go to a dental surgeon, mine was awesome, finished the op in 15 minutes, and I was fully healed in about a week
>> Anonymous
>>385129
Coca-Cola didn't mark the beginning of sweets, but it did coincide fairly nicely with the beginning of the ubiquity of sweets among even the lower classes and the need for constant dental maintenance in the general population.

I'll grant that it's a fairly arbitrary point on the curve, and I shouldn't have mentioned it, but I don't think my characterization was completely invalid.
>> Anonymous
>>385155

This is all retarded because you guys bought this horseshit argument that infant mortality had anything to do with the fact that people died in their 30's.

They did not AVERAGE 30 because half died at birth & half died at 60, you stupid ass. They averaged 30 because very few people lived longer. Period. Living to 60 was fucking rare as hell. ALL ancient writings & all evidence backs this up.

Also, and you are retarded for not knowing this fact, people did not die with their teeth intact often, regardless of sugar. There is a reason every painter of even nobility had to gloss over the shitty, toothless mouths (this is so established in art that you're a dumbcunt if you even consider debating it).

Fuckers had wooden teeth if they were lucky. All over the place. Seriously dummies, that's why we have wisdom teeth in the first place...to replace the teeth that, by all rights, are fucked up & useless by the time the wisdom teeth are fully hardened (which isn't till late 20's).
>> Anonymous
>>385229

This is pretty self explanatory. OBVIOUSLY chugging down sugar & Coke & shit makes matters much worse. But the fact is, ancient people had rotting, shitty teeth very, very often simply because our species' natural shelf life is drastically less than what we have made it.

Also note that despite our often shitty diets, we have flouride in the tapwater, DENTISTS EXIST, we brush & floss...all shit that in ye olden tymes, they lacked & suffered LARGE for that lack. Well they did "brush" but they did it with a piece of dry cloth or the end of a stick. And many people never bothered.

It's unimaginable how many poor fucks died from dental problems that we would laugh off today. That minor infection I have cause my wisdom tooth is cracking my molar? Peasant Bitch #9139049 had that too. But thought it was the Devil causing it & prayed hard to get rid of it, it festered & got worse & she lost all her teeth (or died with a giant swollen jaw...I almost did as a kid when a dipshitty dentist used contaminated tools on me & spent 3 days in the hospital). Now, she'd pop some amoxycillin or whatever for a few days & skate.

TL;DR: there was no upswing in the necessity of dentistry. There was simply an upswing in AVAILABILITY. That's like saying there was an upswing in cancer treatments being needed because we created chemotherapy. It was ALWAYS a huge issue...it's just that now we can try to fight back.
>> Anonymous
>>385155

There was always a need. Just like there was a need for penicillin. It's just that you were s.o.l. before like 1930 or whenever if you needed it. A dentist back in 1400 would have been a godsend and would have been needed by every person in sight.
>> Anonymous
>>385229
truth
>> Anonymous
Actually anthropological research indicates that tooth decay started to occur after domesticated plants became the majority of our diet.
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>>385232

"What's a dentist?"
>> Anonymous
>>385229
>>385231
>>385232
>>385233
Samefag never cracked a book, propagates stale misinformation, wants to win at playing the internet.
>> Anonymous
>>385234

No. Even cro-mags had tooth decay. Science fact. You could make the case that it was less prevalent, but there is not enough evidence either way to make that anything more than pulling it out of our asses.
>> Anonymous
>>385237

Not samefag. And is correct. You need to stop watching History Channel, cunt. But nice job at making a case. "YOU SUX LOLOLOLOL" Fail.
>> Anonymous
The whole argument is impractical to me; even if I could avoid tooth decay by eating healthy my breath would still reek.
>> Anonymous
>>385243
No, bad breath comes from an unhealthy population of bacteria in your mouth, which is the same thing that causes tooth decay.

If you keep your mouth free of sugar, these bacteria won't have anything to feed on, and you'll have neither bad breath nor tooth decay.
>> Anonymous
>>385247

Sorry, not convinced. Experience has contradicted experience with this claim of avoiding nasty shit
>> Anonymous
>>385249
I seriously doubt that you have any actual experience with a tooth-healthy diet.
>> Anonymous
>>385247

And yet, oddly enough, my grandfather is a diabetic & has not had sugar in probably 20 years. Not condiments, not sweets, not soft drinks, no tea, no coffee. Or milk. /Absolutely/ 0 sugar, no exceptions.

And has the worst breath known to man.

You /massively/ overrate how necessary sugar in particular is for this kind of thing to happen. ANYTHING in there they can feed on, they do. Including your own flesh if they get a toehold.

If there was somehow no such thing as sugar, there would still be tooth decay and bad breath.

This is why flossing is so important, simply getting chunks of whatever (specific substance irrelevant) out of your teeth is a must. Someone who hogs down candy all day but flosses is better off than someone who eats nothing but meat, or sugarfree whatever, & goes to bed with that shit rotting in the crevices.
>> Anonymous
>>385254
>/Absolutely/ 0 sugar, no exceptions.
No fruit? No raisins?
>> Anonymous
>>385253

Not me, but a dumbfuck baseless conclusion. Face it, everything you have tried to say is retarded, illogical, baseless, dogshit speculation based on watching dumb junk science on t.v..

Read a fucking book & got to school.

Also go tell your dentist (you'll need to get one, as it's very clear that you are not familiar with them) that you are gonna just swear off sugar & expect your teeth to be fine & that you will no longer have bad breath.

Hilarity .WILL. ensue.
>> Anonymous
>>385254
Someone who is sick can have bad breath from being sick. This has nothing to do with diet or oral hygiene or how often you visit an oral hygienist. It is simply a symptom of illness, and is irrelevant to the discussion.
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>>385259

Nope. He is an old school manly man type southern guy. Don't even bother trying to find a hole in the 0 sugar law. You have no case.

Sugar does not factor into bad breath. Hell, jackass, if you learn to read, old books are full to the brim of descriptions of people having "sour breath" or "sweet breath" & you will NOT fucking try to maintain that was because they were having too much sugar.

tell us who put that dumbfuck idea into your head, so we can tell you how best to beat the fuck out of them for trying to make you a stupid ass. We're here to help.
>> Anonymous
>>385247
Troll? even for the dumb replies in this thread, this is pretty astoundingly dumb
>> Anonymous
>>385260
Dentists are tooth mechanics who can be trusted with performing the operations you pay them for. They don't give very good advice on tooth care, and they shouldn't be respected as experts on it.

For instance, you can easily find hard-bristled toothbrushes and abrasive toothpastes with dental association logos on them. Both are terrible for your dental health, the one damages your gums, and the other damages your teeth, but dentists lack the professional integrity to refrain from endorsing them.

Dentists now promote the white fillings, and generally give them by default unless you specifically ask for the metal ones. They say nothing about how white fillings last under a decade, while metal fillings can last a lifetime, unless you ask them. Why should they? When the filling fails, that only means more business for dentists.

They're not evil conspirators or something, but they're not saints either. Don't expect dentists to go out of their way to convince everyone to eliminate demand for their services.
>> Anonymous
>>385262

Someone can have bad breath from eating non-sugary foods that decay in the mouth. It's not exactly rocket science & there is no opposing side to this fact. What, you think that steak is just gonna sit in there & there are no microbes that will go to town rotting it, & that if they did, it wouldn't reek just like all other wet, rotting matter?

Seriously now. You're done.
>> Anonymous
>>385247

Troll. 7/10 because at least two people bothered to try to refute this despite its obvious retardation. Would rage again.
>> Anonymous
>>385277

0/10. Not even remotely plausible even as a troll.
>> Anonymous
>>385277

And yet there will never be a single iota of info on the subject that you will ever know, that every one of them didn't know years before you did. Ever.

Godlike paragons of all possible knowledge of dental health? Maybe not. But as far as you are concerned, yes, for all intents.
>> Anonymous
>>385277

They give approval to hard bristle brushes because they are toothbrushes, which are good to use and better than no toothbrush. The fact is, people prefer hard bristles for some reason (statistical fact, I suspect they 'feel' like they are brushing better). It's not disingenuous to approve them because they work, & are better than no brush. I agree that if it were up to me, they would just stop making hard bristles & people could fucking deal. I doubt they would just stop brushing if they had to use soft ones. Also, this is irrelevant & a strawman.
>> Anonymous
>>385278
You have to be a hell of an idiot to leave chunks of food stuck in your teeth to rot until your mouth full of rotting food gives you bad breath.

Sugar is sticky. It doesn't just lodge between your teeth, it adheres to the surfaces. More to the point, unlike other food substances, it is readily digestible by bacteria which adhere to the teeth.

Our mouths are adapted to keeping themselves clean without special hygiene procedures if we eat a natural diet. However, it doesn't work properly with a high-sugar diet, which is what causes 99% of cavities and need for dentists.

You are way out on a limb taking the most rigid and ridiculous interpretations of my generalizations so you can find fault in your distortion of what I said. Your kind of reasoning is like me saying "Smoking is bad for you." and you pointing out "There are people who live over 90 and still smoke!" as if that invalidated the point.
>> Anonymous
>>385277

I mean I'll agree that there are some conflicts of interest, but this might go a little far for my tastes. Dentistry is like any other field of medicine, unless ur a jackass, you look for REPUTABLE practitioners.
>> Anonymous
>>385289
I'll tell you something that I know that a lot of dentists don't: the primary reason people use toothpaste.

You can find toothpaste which is non-abrasive (non-polishing), or which doesn't contain fluoride, but you will have a hard time finding a toothpaste which doesn't numb your tastebuds and distort your sense of taste. Why is that?

The primary function of toothpaste is to disguise the unpleasant taste left in your mouth by sloppy and incomplete cleansing of the teeth. It makes your mouth *feel* clean, when you haven't put in the proper effort for it to *be* clean.

Dentists will tell you that toothpaste isn't actually important for dental hygiene, that the brush does the work that matters. They'll recommend that if you do use toothpaste, that you use one that is fluorinated, because dentists are obsessed with fluorine and love to exaggerate the importance of putting it in your mouth at every opportunity.

But they don't warn you that almost every toothpaste on the market will give you the message, "Yes, your teeth are CLEAN!" when you've only done a half-assed once-over.

You've heard of security theater? Toothpaste is hygiene theater. It gives us the illusion of cleanliness, lulling us into a false security that we are taking care of our teeth properly.

The result: "I don't know why I still get cavities. I brush every morning and night!"

Dentists do nothing to discourage the use of toothpastes which create an illusion of cleanliness. In fact, they promote them and endorse them, and teach them as the normal and proper thing to use.

They don't think very hard about their role as instructors of dental hygiene. It's not their job. It's not what makes them money, so they don't try very hard. Most of them just parrot the conventional wisdom without questioning it.
>> Anonymous
>>385308
this is very 'out of the box' approach on the establishment (ADA), but extremely logical.

i like where you are going anon.

i have a parallel theory on the racket between physical therapists, GPs, and orthapedic surgeons. where the goal is never to get you 'better/optimal' per se, just to make you 'not bad', so you stay in a consistant circuit of ineffectual treatment, referrals, and surgery...
>> Anonymous
this thread has made me want to brush my teeth more then the one or two times a week that i do, but i probably wont
>> Anonymous
OP I will now floss regularly! YOu have finally given me the last bit of motivation I've needed.
>> Anonymous
i had 1 of my wisdom teeth come out painlessly.. and another without mishap... one didn't ever come out... and one's still in the process of coming out... no probs here
>> Anonymous
My wisdom teeth came in nicely. They're a little awkwardly positioned, but healthy and painless.

I went to a dentist with a pain in my mouth about 7 years after my last dentist visit. He did an exam and an X-ray. The only thing that needed to be fixed was an old white filling that had worn out and cracked. I had him replace it with an amalgam filling. The hygienist went through the motions of a cleaning, but told me that it was basically needless (didn't stop her from leaving my gums bleeding all over from her ruthless application of the scraper, though).

To be fair, about half a year before that, I had cleaned a nasty chunk of tartar off of the interface between my tooth and the metal-backed implant false tooth next to it, with a carving chisel. I am just that god damned manly.

I laugh heartlessly at your dental woes. I could probably chew your teeth up.
>> Anonymous
>>385319
seriously

took me 2-3 years of going to numerous docs and PTs till I found the right one

the rest just wanted me coming back for bullshit temporary fixes
>> Anonymous
>>385372

yeah, its a process but its just what you have to do. i had a terrible dentist as a kid, fucked around and cost money for a solid 7 years, then finally switched and the new one fixed everything (granted, with veneers) in 6 months
>> sage
>>385384
hey buddy, you went to a smart dentist