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Anonymous
I gonna start with Aikido.
Any suggestion mis/fit/s?

Is it any good in self defense?
>> Anonymous
some throws, locks and grips are excellent.
Lots of mumbo-jumbo too though.
>> Anonymous
>>7306

>mumbo-jumbo too
wat?
>> Anonymous
its good for self defence, but the problem with it as opposed to styles as karate,boxing,teakwondo and the likes is that instead of learning to effectively defend yourself in 2-3 years you will need atleast 10 years or more of consistent training atleast to use it effectively
>> Anonymous
There's no aliveness in Aikido, unless it's the sports type, which still isn't perfect. There's no sparring, just throwing around compliant uke's.

If I wanted that, I'd go to /y/.
>> Anonymous
OP here, so what martial art I need to practise then? any suggestion?
>> Scrubbo !!ViIoMv7gzOJ
I'd bet on a boxer/judoka with 6 months experience over a aikidoka with 10+ years experience
>> Anonymous
>>7327

jujitsu's better for countering/throwing attackers. Krav Maga's a good all rounder, but it's rare you'll find a good teacher. Most just cater to couch-commando's with more money than sense.. But if you find a good KM teacher, it's worthwhile.
>> Anonymous
>>7307
too much focusing on ki and spirituality.
Morihei was a religious nut and philanthrop.
Just look at op pic.
Tiny old man defeating much younger one?
Laughable.
>> Scrubbo !!ViIoMv7gzOJ
>>7327
boxing/kickboxing/muay thai/judo/bjj/wrestling/san da/kyokushin karate
are all good choices, in no particular order. also note that kyokushin is much different than any other type of karate.
>> Anonymous
>>7327
boxing and wrestling.
>> Anonymous
>>7332

What if the young man runs at him and hits him in the way the older guy specifically taught him to?

AHA.
>> Anonymous
>>7335
yes, aikido is static in its forms and can devolve into a dance.
Once you face a really dangerous situation the movements are of no use because your opponent wont react in the way you'd like him to.
>> Anonymous
Hapkido is aikido for real men.
>> Anonymous
What about the Jujitsu is any good?
>> Anonymous
Aikido is one of the worst martial arts combat wise because it takes a long time to grasp basics, and you have to be physically better than your opponent ( reflexes eyc) to beat some-one of the same skill level.

These are the best arts in terms of feasibility and practicality:

1)Krav Maga
2)Kickboxing (Vied Vo, Muay Thai)
3)Jeet Kune Do
4)Wushu
5)etc
>> Anonymous
>>7354

Wushu is practical since when? Not even it's practitioners argue that. Fail, anon.
>> Anonymous
>>7359

Wushu teaches you basic kicks and punches very early, and how to apply them.

The higher levels (butterfly kicks etc) are useless, but in the short run it'll get anyone up to scratch self-defence wise.
>> Anonymous
>>7362

The same could be said of a vast amount of better martial arts.

Wushu was created with the specific intent of style over content. It's designed to be flashy, impressive, but not necessarily practical. I can think of a dozen other martial arts that teach basic attacks to beginners.
>> Anonymous
OP Here, I want a practical martial art, with a high self-defence ratio, nothing else
>> Anonymous
>>7354
I agree with the top three,

It's Viet Vo by the way
>> Scrubbo !!ViIoMv7gzOJ
>>7370
>>7333
>> Anonymous
>>7331
Agreed. For best practicality krav maga is the way to go, just don't get fooled by people who don't know what they're doing. Google.
>> Anonymous
>>7334
I agree with this man boxing and wrestling.
>> Anonymous
I took Krav Maga when I was younger for about 2 years, and it definitely teaches you the basics, but if you plan on learning, I recommend you don't put money down on a dojo right away, since I had to go through 4 instructors before I found someone who knew what they were doing. The others just fucked around and treated it like a fitness class.
>> Anonymous
>>7384

Boxing leaves out your most powerful weapons. You'll be a good puncher, but no elbows, knees or kicks is a *serious* disadvantage.
>> Anonymous
>>7400
Boxing is perfect for a street brawl.
Pretty close up, standing (wrestling on asphalt is not nice), basic movements and deadly effective.
Good defense and deadly punch.
Kicking, knees, elbows are only so useful in a real situation.
You don't want to get caught with one leg in the air for one.
>> Anonymous
>>7410

You don't want to get an elbow in the face, either. There's a reason MMA bans elbow spikes, they cause a lot of damage in close quarters. Knees are also a vital part of any self-defense repetoire.
>> Anonymous
>>7410
looks like you've never eaten a good low kick to the thigh. instant dead leg. people don't know how to check kicks. they don't know how to defend against knees either. get on the inside, get the MT clinch, start chucking knees, their instant reaction is to move their hips away from you while their head is still in the clinch. and then bam, an elbow right on the temple. KO motherfucker. you just lost the game.
>> Anonymous
>>7410

I've been in 2 fights.

Both times the other guy is coming at me, and I just side-kicked their knees. Using my longest weapon against their closes weaknesses. Both times the guys crumpled. Boxing doesn't teach you how to stop shit like that.

1) krav maga
2) Aggressive kickboxing
>> Anonymous
>>7428

My sparring partner did that. He got me in the back of my leading leg and I just went straight down onto the mat. It was hilarious.
>> Anonymous
>>7428
>>7429

Knowledgeable hivemind is knowledgeable
>> Anonymous
I've taken Kempo classes for about a month and a half now, and it seems to pay off. I had a friend that took Aikido and he really enjoyed it, though I don't think he was ever in a position where he needed to defend himself out of class.
It looks like fun, though if you're looking to get fit with it I'd suggest a more body intensive martial art. If you're just beginning to take any martial art, just grasping the basics and getting your body ready for fighting helps a lot in self defense. Additionally, you can gain a lot of help in self defense from sparring.
My suggestion is to look up local martial arts schools, pay them a visit, and ask a lot of questions so you can find the right one for you.
>> Anonymous
Wing Chun is pretty good from what I've heard.
But I agree mostly with the comments about Aikido, it's not really useful until you've trained 10 years or so. It does teach you how to fall, relax your body, and so on, and is quite nice if you like the philosophical aspect of it.
>> Anonymous
>>7518

Wing Chun has a lot of fanboys with very little evidence of success. It's foundations are flawed, and it's attacks are generally weaker. You'll find a lot of fanboys swear by it, on the basis of "my teacher told me so".
>> Anonymous
>>7345

Agreed. Learn Hapkido.
>> Anonymous
Call me old fashioned, but the most valuable self defense lessons I had were from my uncle. Who was quite the troublemaker in his time. He tought me all sorts of techniques and dirty tricks to bring someone down, mostly with tricks that inflict increbidle amounts of pain. (and the bastard would sometimes use them one me as a demonstration)

What type of fighting style would suit that? Other than picking fights in bars, lol.
>> Anonymous
Krav maga. It's just plain nasty.
>> Anonymous
Stop arguing which martial arts are superior to which one, when everyone should know that Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is superior to all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjn7i-JDks&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDmwyIh4ryQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ciYtazMQE4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFCwdBEOS1Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrf8u-fHos&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIn3nQbobtE&feature=related

If Aikido, krav maga, wushu, hapkido, karate, wing chun, kung fu(any style),or tae kwon do were any good, don't you think we would see them in MMA fights?
The fact is that all those arts are week, when compared to the likes of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. Please stop making stupid arguments about impractical arts.
After 2 years of BJJ I have have fought a 3 year black belt 12 year practitioner in Karate and submitted him with an arm bar. I have sparred against 14 year Muay thai teacher and chocked him out. And I have sparred with a TKD black belt that got qualified for the olympics, I submitted him with a kimura.
>> Anonymous
>>7733
Don't feed this troll. Krav maga isn't in MMA because it doesn't play by the rules and involves stuff like eye gouging and killing blows.
>> Anonymous
>>7737
Obvious nigger is obvious.
When you get taken to the ground you don't have the chance to eye gouge, or use dirty tricks when your arm is being ripped off.
>> Anonymous
>>7745

A good martial art will teach you to end it as quickly as possible, most of the time that involves running the fuck away.

Enjoy getting your throat stomped by the guy's friend while you're trying to choke him out.
>> Anonymous
>>7733
>>If Aikido, krav maga, wushu, hapkido, karate, wing chun, kung fu(any style),or tae kwon do were any good, don't you think we would see them in MMA fights?

Let's go ahead and ignore that most of the stuff that makes them effective is illegal in MMA fights because they're too dangerous.

On to other things.

Uke's are "compliant" because when they fight, they get slammed harder. As someone who has literally fought with a second dan, I can attest to it. Concerning smaller men destroying larger, more muscular men: please, I see it all the time. My friend who got me into Aikido is a dick and he goes to the university gym and shows off various ki tests and throws on the meatheads.

However, I do agree at the HIGH impracticality of Aikido until you've been doing it for a long time, you don't start actively "sparring" until you've been consistently doing it for about 2 or 3 years. But I don't care what you say, 9 people rushing simultaneously at a high-level Aikidoka and getting completely dispersed is an amazing display of how it can be used.
>> Anonymous
>>7754

Aikido also has an incredibly high attrition rate, meaning that if you stop doing it for even so much as a few months, you'll be too rusty to make it effective.
>> Anonymous
>>7745

A - refer to >>>>7749

B - There's so many counters to a takedown that it's not funny. Sifu Rudy Curry shows an easy one in one of his youtube sessions. Drop a fucking elbow on the bastard's neck
>> Anonymous
>>7745
yet again stop trolling this isn't the board for it. Also FYI its pretty difficult to rip someones arm off but disgustingly simple to remove an eye or two, be careful without judges and in a back alley you're just as easy to take down as a 90 year old granny.
>> Anonymous
Have you ever seen aikido demonstrated? live or on video? People just run at the instructor with their hand sticking out. I'd like to see aikido in a real life situation.
>> Anonymous
>>7762

I just had one yesterday. I tried throwing a legitimate "punch to the face" right straight and was on my face tapping before I knew what hit me.

A few weeks ago me friend and I invited our sensei for a demonstration on campus. He went ahead and had us both rush him. Since I know SQUAT about how to properly do so, and since my friend's a dick, we both came in trying to punch and kick him. It really didn't work.
>> Anonymous
>>7762

That's because you wouldn't, you won't see an Aikido practitioner in a bar fight because he's prolly busy doing Aikido.

Sparing without fucking ruining a person in Aikido or Hapkido is difficult.

I've spent a few years with Hapkido, which gets most of it's flips and grabs from Aikido and they cannot be practiced safely in any sparing situation.

A good throw can end with spiral fractures up and down an arm.

The best you can do is practice in a controlled setting if you ever want to spar with a person again.

The arms in certain positions are for the safety of the sparrer not because Aikido isn't practical.
>> Anonymous
>>7770

Agree'd entirely. The only reason I don't have broken limbs is because Sensei was careful enough not to fling me through a window or something, though he easily could have. I used to think that Aikido was incredibly impractical and unrealistic until I started doing it. People who piss and moan about the drills being too structured neglect to understand the high adaptability of the various techniques.
>> Anonymous
>>7781

Indeed, protip to anyone thinking of taking up Aikido or Hapkido.

Learn to fall, it's the most important thing you'll learn as far as protecting yourself from injury. Breaking a fall incorrectly will hurt and can sometimes keep you away from training for weeks. Which brings you back to square one.

Also if you haven't already been taught this, almost every throw can be executed from any point along the arm to the shoulder, if done from the wrist it can be done from the upper arm. One of the reasons why you'll train from the wrist or certain points on the arm is because it minimizes risk and damage. The force that you can be thrown, or dropped with is incredible, if you don't get the air knocked out of you you've probably fallen correctly.

I don't have full mobility in my right arm because of one poor fall.
>> Anonymous
>>7754

>>Let's go ahead and ignore that most of the stuff that makes them effective is illegal in MMA fights because they're too dangerous.

Aikido and Hapkido rely on eye gouges and biting a lot, huh?

"t00 d34dly for t3h ring" is an old and abused argument that's used to defend poor martial arts from 14yr old Chunners/Ninjers.
>> Anonymous
>>7812

If it gets to that point somebody is going to die.
>> Anonymous
>>7817

No, seriously. Show me the Hapkido/Aikido moves that are banned from MMA, or stfu.
>> Anonymous
see know, i'd just learn a combination of brazilian jujitsu and muy thai kickboxing.


those two seem to be the most effective in combination.
then again, standard collegiate wrestling is pretty useful if you can get the teacher to teach you the cheap tricks
>> Anonymous
OP,
I'm not going to argue with all the "t00 d34dly 4 teh str33tz" mentality. They will never give up.


with that out of the way, i also didnt read half of the posts because i know those faggots are defending it like the holy fucking grail. If i had to suggest a self defence art, there's nothing better than Krav Maga, period. It's a little difficult to find, so another substitute would be MMA (yes, teh eye gougez n armp1t str1k3z arent in it, but it is very good).

BJJ is also good for ground, western boxing is excellent for your hands. To be honest, unless you wear track pants i wouldn't go for muay thai for the self defence purpose because it's pretty difficult to kick in jeans and you can get more bang for your buck with just regular boxing. Judo is cheaper substitute to BJJ, and to be honest, if you're lucky enough to find a dojo that spends perhaps 50%/60% on throws and 50%/40% on ground, take that over BJJ.


This is a HUEG rant, and i cant even remember half of what i just said, but i would also like to comment that ANY art can be effective, it's just difficult to sort through the mcdojo's and find one that will teach you its potential.
>> Anonymous
>>7823

I'm not certain if this is the case with Aikido, but in Hapkido your Kwan would frown on any sparing like MMA. The higher echelons are fairly secretive, which is the downside of these martial arts in my opinion. But once you reach a higher level, to the point of cane fighting and what not then you're expected to act with dignity.

Or you'll be barred from the Kwan. It's one of the major reasons why you don't see Aikido or Hapkido actively shown off. Hapkido is what you'll learn if you guard the 38th parallel or are anywhere near the DMZ. There's a reason why you don't show it off, it's not there to win awards it's there to defend the people who practice it.
>> Anonymous
>>7823
as far as i know, only the obviously dangerous or ridiculous stuff is banned.

like knees to the head on the ground, and various foot and ankle locks that break and injure before pain actually begins.


footlocks are some fucked up shit
>> Anonymous
>>7845

That's the combo I'm trying to get, possibly with some Krav Maga when I can afford it. But BJJ classes are so expensive around here.
>> Anonymous
>>7852

That sounds like your common or garden cult mentality.
>> Anonymous
>>7853
aren't locks that manipulate a single digit also banned.
>> Anonymous
>>7855
my brothewrs taking lessons and competing in various tournaments, he doesn't mind fucking around with me.

we box and practice wrestling.
i suck at locks though
>> Anonymous
>>7862

It is pretty cult like.

But that's not to say it's not effective. A simple throw on the ground will put someone down long enough to end the fight. That's all it's there for.
>> Anonymous
>>7867
i vwouldn't be surprised.

breaking fingers and toes, while effective, makes for a bad viewer experience.

it's also just mean.
>> Anonymous
>>7874

and if you want to learn how to do that simple throw, Judo or Wrestling is the answer
>> Anonymous
>>7867

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_rules#Fouls
>> Anonymous
>>7877
wrestling is a very effective, and yet under-stated martial art.

the only problem with wrestling is it lacks a finishing move, but if you learn the various locks, and also just plain punching someone on the ground it becomes very effective.
>> Anonymous
>>7875

It's not deadly, though. If someone breaks your toe, you can still beat the crap out of them afterwards. Likewise with fingers. I think it's just to reduce airtime of people sitting on each other playing thumb-wars.
>> Anonymous
>>7883

I completely agree. I mean, have you ever seen someone transition from wrestling to sambo, judo, bjj? They fucking dominate
>> Anonymous
>>7889
i personally believe that it has superior takedowns and ground control, which allows you to gain position for locks.

the biggest problems with submission fighting is getting into position to use the techniques, and wrestling goes a long way to allowing that.
>> Anonymous
>>7877

I did grecco/roman wrestling for a while, along with Judo footwork. Hapkido combines quite a few of these. Keep in mind it's only been around since the 40s.

It's similar to an eastern Krav Manga in how it has taken various martial arts and has incorporated them to maximize defense.

The all overarching idea of Hapkido is to end fights. It's designed for grappling throws, if a person grabs you, you take them off. You can increase aggressiveness and throw them using the same or a similar technique.

If there is more than one person threatening you, you have to understand that much of what you have is limited. Same with any type of bludgeon or knife, or fuck a gun.

If there's more than one person you can no longer grapple, you have to throw or move them and stay on your feet in case the threat changes again.

This is the general idea of Hapkido.
>> Anonymous
>>7886
we're not talking about toes here we're talking about fingers, braking someones fingers and controlling them by the small joints is a big part of some "redundant for MMA martial arts". Small joint manipulation may not look pretty but its damn effective.
>> Anonymous
>>7329
ehhhhhh, thats pushing it

but to the OP, judo man, its great stuff
>> Anonymous
>>7911

It's also very hard to pull off. Is this your "d34dly" martial arts secret? Finger twists? I've done small joint manipulation in jujitsu. It's good to learn, but far from a vital technique, as it relies on capturing a small, fast moving part of your opponents body, when there are often easier targets to go for.
>> Anonymous
>>7917
depends if your opponent knows how to hold his hands a clinch or guard
>> Anonymous
>>7917
please stop trying to intimidate and belittle us by repeatedly using leet speak in quotation marks. I have not claimed any of this to be deadly or an insta-kill technique and so these comments are baseless and pointless.
In a real fight all it comes down to is who is more experienced with real world situations and can react quickly and correctly to different situations, to do this effectively you must be willing to do anything to end a confrontation, whether it be eye gouging, small joint locks, throwing someone to the ground or stabbing yyour opponent with a knife.
>> Anonymous
>>7951

I was referring to the hap/aikidokas in general, who said that they had "deadly techniques" and then abruptly went quiet when pressed on that point. I thought you were them, nm.
>> Anonymous
ITT People don't know shit about aikido.

OP, Aikido is a good defensive martial art. Its forms are not static, except when you are beneath shodan rank (first degree black belt). It takes about a year or two to get to that point, and it signifies mastery of the basics of the art. That's the same in all traditional martial arts. After that point, improvisation, etc, is key. Your uke is only compliant when you are a beginner. If you are at a good dojo, your uke will break your shit if you don't do the technique, and do it right. As for now sparring, that's bullshit to. A good Aikido dojo engages in both Randori (multiple attackers) and Jiyuwaza (usually one on one, any attack versus any defense).

There are Aikido dojos that do not teach the art for fighting. There are Aikido dojos that hardly know the art in general. That's the same with every god damn martial art. I would recommend an Iwama school dojo if you want a good defense. Its based off the style of Morihiro Saito, the longest student of Morihei Ueshiba, who died in 2002. I was lucky enough to train under one of his students, and so I was very close to O-Sensei's (Morihei Ueshiba's) original Aikido.

As for mumbo-jumbo, bullshit. All Eastern martial arts that aren't complete shit deal with internal energies, proper breathing, proper kiai, etc. It is just higher up the ladder in ranks that you start learning it in most of them, but in Aikido, you start with the idea of proper ki flow and proper breathing from the start.

tl;dr Aikido is awesome, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
>> Scrubbo !!ViIoMv7gzOJ
>>8014
I was going to write out a reply to prove you wrong, but I think I'll just rofl instead. Since you think aikido is so good, I'll propose this. Go to a boxing gym and spar with a boxer with like 1 year of training. Let's see if you can grab his wrist and throw him or somehow dominate him with proper flow of "ki"
>> Anonymous
>>7303
Aikido fags

just use boxing ive seen boxers fuck up theese faggotry martial arts nubbins who thought something older than the internets is useful now sure the technique to apply pressue to the pressure point in m wrist is painfull

but my fucking fist breaking your nose is more painful

anon say fuck self defence go start a fight if you dont claim your humanity you will become a statistic anon has delivered
>> Anonymous
>>8014

I don't practice aikido, but I agree 100%. As a student of tai chi, I can especially relate to encountering schools that do not teach the martial principles.

But I especially agree with your final statement. It's a pity that more martial arts don't teach students about proper breathing and chi flow. Any truly effective fighting method incorporates this at some level, and the sooner the better.
>> Anonymous
>>8014

Also, Aikido takes a longer time to learn because its fundamental purpose is different. Its easy to learn how to defend yourself. It doesn't take much time to learn how to kill someone, or break their arm, etc, etc. Someone who has taken a few years of nearly any physical martial art, western or eastern, is better off than 90% of the people in the world in a fight. What takes skill and time and dedication is learning how to fight someone without injuring them. The basic presumption of Aikido is that the only reason someone would attack you is misunderstanding, whether they are attacking you for money, because of a perceived insult, etc, they are attacking because they are misguided. In which case, harming them is immoral. An Aikidoka who trains for a year or two is as good at breaking people as any other art. The Dojo doesn't teach them how, but they'll learn it just training, and if they train hard and properly like they should (not many do, but that doesn't mean you can't) then they will be an even match in a fight with any other grappling art.

The difference between Aikido and grappling arts is that its techniques are wide movements (which helps against multiple attackers better), and Judo and Jujitsu techniques are small movements, which makes them more painfully efficient, and that Aikido does not generally teach groundfighting. The first difference can be argued endlessly about which is better, but the second difference is probably a real weakness, as far as early effectiveness goes. This is where training for a long period of time comes in. They don't teach groundfighting because eventually, you should not need it. You should never have a situation where you react so late that you end up on the ground. High-level Aikidoka are supremely aware of what is going on around them, and it amazes me to no end to see.
>> Anonymous
>>8053

The proper flow of ki has nothing to do with being able to intercept the fist. Proper technique has to do with intercepting the fist. I have fought boxers, wrestlers, and martial artists of all sorts. I've trained in Kuk Sool Wan, Shotokan Karate, and Kung Fu San Soo in addition to Aikido, and I believe that Aikido is the best overall art I have seen. I have had many friends who are boxers, wrestlers, or Brazilian jujitsu fighters, and when they say Aikido is not as hard of a martial art, then its simple to challenge them to hit you.

Rather, I'd challenge you to go to an Aikido dojo with a sensei of 5th dan or above (that would be the shihan of the dojo, most likely), and throw a punch at him. He will convince you of the beauty of Aikido's technique, when you somehow find yourself on the mat fifteen feet away, wondering how you got there, and why you aren't harmed.

Sure, he's a fifth dan, but the only reasons you shouldn't do it to a less experienced aikido student is that you are more liable to hurt them, and many, many aikidoka are very incompetent at actually intercepting real attacks. Part of that has to do with how their dojo trains, and part of it has to do with their unwillingness to train to actually fight. The dojo gives them the techniques, but they and their uke must apply them properly and aggressively. Dojos often do not allow this among beginners, because the rate of injuries is so high due to improper technique (usually to your partner). If you want to learn to fight, still, then learn from your dojo, and then find a friend and apply it on your own. Ask someone from the dojo if they are interested in harder training, etc.

A good dojo teaches how to fight, a bad dojo just teaches techniques, but either way YOU get what YOU need to learn properly, and its all about how YOU apply it that matters. Use your brain when you learn any martial art, and you'll know how to fight.
>> Anonymous
>>8069

Good points

I'm glad someone else here understands some of the underlying principles of aikido
>> Anonymous
Is it possible to start with Krav Maga or Muay Thai without being fit already? I'm kinda overweight, not lithe (I think it's called lithe?) at all and my stamina kinda sucks. Or would you recommend that I get in better shape so I'll be able to train more efficiently?
>> Anonymous
>>8106

I mistyped, I meant if you tried it with a less experienced aikidoka that they are more likely to hurt you, or not intercept the attack at all and just get out of the way because they are inexperienced with actual attacks (and this is their fault, too). If they did do the technique, however, you would likely end up getting hurt from improperly applied technique.

Which is just fine if all you want to do is break people, but that isn't what Aikido is about.
>> Anonymous
>>8119
MT fitness training will kill you if you aren't decently fit. go running swimming and gym for a few months.
>> Anonymous
I've been practicing Aikido for about 6 years now, and I too am glad to see some people who understand it's finer points. Hurting people in a fight is easy, even someone with no training beyond watching action movies can throw a punch that will hurt. Defending yourself in a way that does not cause excessive harm to your attacker, takes a much higher degree of skill. That's not to say it's "the best" art, it just fits my personality more, which is the whole point, you need to find something that fits how you think. I plan to continue practicing Aikido until I die, though I may expand to other arts in time, it will always be my favorite.
>> Anonymous
aikido is a great thing. it is easy to get profishent of it; you can get most moves down in a year of so. however it will take a life time to get great at it. the best advice i can give for you, and the thing that helped me aout the most was wrist training. you teacher will how to strech your wrist, do them and push your self. what i did was just sit in class and strech my wrist when i was zoning out. well good luck!!!
>> anonymous
aiki-do is a really good japanese self defense. But you should also not limit to just one style

if your a beginner you should start off with karate to see how you do then try other styles.
>> Anonymous
1. Move to Israel
2. Join the army and get taught Krav Maga
3. ????
4. PROFIT

One of the most practical "styles" out there.
>> Anonymous
Can someone with considerable knowledge basis in both aikido and hapkido outline some of the bigger differences between the two?
>> Anonymous
>>7812
>>"t00 d34dly for t3h ring" is an old and abused argument that's used to defend poor martial arts from 14yr old Chunners/Ninjers.

So you're saying that the animal styles don't rely on clawing, eye gouging, and striking various vital points?

>>7823

Practically every Aikido technique ends with a break. It's not "I'm going to keep torquing until he taps," it's "this move will break a limb unless we're both going at a REALLY casual practice speed." I'm sorry you don't get it, but the harder you try and resist an Aikido hold, the more damage you'll inadvertently do to yourself.

As for Hapkido,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiyJkIn1Nn0

Skip to a minute in and remember: The Hapkido master in this clip is purposely not trying to injure Jackie
>> Anonymous
>>8298

Aikido is a Japanese martial art that began with Daito-Ryu Aikijutsu and was turned in to Aikido by Morihei Ueshiba. He made significant contributions and changes, and it became Aikido. The most important difference here is philosophy. Aikido uses two main weapons: the jo (short staff) and ken (bokken, wooden sword)

Hapkido is a Korean martial art that also began with Daito-ryu Aikijutsu. As I understand it (my knowledge of Hapkido is not "considerable" but is good enough), Hapkido often focuses on countering the techniques of other martial arts, specifically. Their approach is much less uniform, however, and from school to school there can be considerable difference in what they focus on. The main difference is that they incorporate "hard" techniques such as striking in to training. Aikido can be said to as well, but they have been removed from focus by most of the dojos, and generally you learn them by applying them, instead of training them specifically. They also train in several more weapons than Aikido.

They both utilize the non-resistant and sweeping movements and such, and focus on grapples and throws. If I got anything wrong about Hapkido, correct me, but I believe I got it pretty close. Hapkido is basically generic karate/kung fu, plus different versions of Aikido techniques from a shared ancestor. The most important distinction, however, is philosophical, I'd say.
>> Anonymous
Lots of bias out here. It all boils down to what you plan to accomplish with said martial ability. I can assume that most people on this topic brand are looking for ways to overwhlem or break/harm their opponent. I have little knowledge on Aikido, or of many other martial arts, but I can agree with the notion that if you were to take any of these forms for less than a year, anyone who does can learn to throw a punch or kick to damage someone/thing. As far as I gathered from the insight/info on aikido, its basic principle is to defend yourself, and the attacker from harm. It's not meant to be something to break someone's bones (though if you felt like it, you could, like with any other martial art) And for example for principles of styles, as said eariler, Wushu is taught to accomplish style over practicality. It wasn't meant for a serious fight, thouh one can attempt to do something with one or more of it's forms.
>> Anonymous
>>8367
Again, it's all about what you plan to be doing with what you learn. All martial arts develop from someone adapting the teachings to their own ends. And like all forms of learning, it's about making use of that knowledge. Some may or may not be useful for what you are planning to do.
>> Anonymous
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Go with Shooto instead, more effective and fun.

I trained Aikodo for about 6 years and got pretty good at it and what I deduced was this;
It's only good defensive, meaning you can't attack with it. It doesn't have a counter for everything, technique and constant training is vital, else you're fucked.

It takes too long and in the end it isn't worth it.

Pictured is the founder of Shooto, for awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>8339

Hapkido is derived directly from Aikido. Aikido is one of it's father/mother arts. It's evolved considerable from Aikido. Rather than it being a similar art derived from the same thing Aikido was.

Other than that you're fairly correct.
>> Anonymous
>>8367

On the contrary, breaking peoples bones with Aikido techniques is very, very easy. Its not "you could if you wanted to" its "you would if you aren't experienced enough." A beginning aikidoka who could perform the techniques against a real attack would probably break bones and maybe cripple someone permanently if they had to defend against full-force strikes. But that isn't the goal of the art. The goal of the art is, like you said, to learn to defend in a way that no one ends up hurt, but that you force your opponent to submit and cease attacking, and that is what takes a long time to master.
>> Anonymous
From my personal experiences screwing around with aikido since they're happens to be a group practicing that before my judo practice is that its damn near useless unless you've been doing it for a very long time. If you're looking for things that can be applied right fucking after your first few practice sessions, take up something like judo, boxing, bjj/wrestling etc.


That said, the most important thing is having a good instructor that trains in a realistic manner. So you should avoid places that have a whole lot of compliant practice and a severe lack of sparring and what not.
>> Anonymous
lol seriously aikido is full of shit.
>> Anonymous
I'm one of the faggots stressing Hapkido here, but it is one of the few Martial Arts you'll be able to use when you're 60, or if you're not built like a brick shit house.

You'll be able to walk after 20 years of practice in this art. Talk to anyone who has been doing Tae Kwan Do for 20 years and ask them about their knees. If you consider the martial arts for more than just a martial practice and you want to do it for the rest of your life Aikido is wonderful. Hapkido less so, you won't be doing much of the aggressive kicks and assaults when you're 70.
>> Anonymous
>>8401

Depends, its as full of shit as Krav, BJJ, Kyokushin and any number of others if the instruction is fucking retarded. I've seen a lot of fucking awful Aikidoka but theres a dojo in my area that doesn't put a much emphasis on the hippie bullshit and retarded compliant training/dancing bits...but then it doesn't look too much like Aikido and more like Judo/Jujitsu with more attempts at joint manipulation..
>> Anonymous
>>8407

The whole having issues when you're older thing has more to do with actually taking care of yourself than over training like a retard. Ask any older people who have done things like boxing for a long time. The ones who are in good shape are the ones who took better care of themselves.
>> Anonymous
>>8420

Your joints will eventually blow out with most leg intensive martial arts, you also lose muscle mass after you're 40-50 at a rate you can never gain back.

Aikido is one of the few arts that you can do your whole life.
>> Anonymous
>>8425
All you need is technique. So grappling etc is fine.
>> Anonymous
>>8420

Tell that to Jet Li, his knees and ankles have been shot since the late 80s. Of course there's a certain amount of self-preservation in everything, but there's a certain amount of damage you do to yourself with the "external" arts.
>> Anonymous
>>8425


Theres this thing called rest. You're supposed to do it on a regular basis so that you don't destroy your joints. Runners do it all the time, and so do most MAists.
>> Anonymous
>>8438


What was his training regimen? I do Kendo and Naginata and they're both very leg heavy and hard on joints, yet I see 80 year olds doing it with no problem at all every time I practice. Almost the same with Judo except by the time you're that old you don't really wanna be rolling around on the mat anyway...
>> Anonymous
protip: artfiical joints and anti-atrophy drugs will make growing old in our generation less of a handicap.
>> Anonymous
>>8497


When can I get my robot arms? Those would be freaking sweet...
>> Anonymous
>>8497
I'd rather not wager on future cures.
>> Anonymous
>>8506
it doesn't matter when as long as we get expected lifespan increasing at a faster rate than 1year per year, then basically as you get older people will be able to keep you alive better.
>> Anonymous
>>8589


Did you just say my robot arms don't matter? If you did STFU or I'll crush your skull with my robot arms.
>> Anonymous
>>8597
errr misclicked ment to refer to>>8529
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
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You want real self defense take either of the following: Tae kwon doe, boxing, Kick boxing, Jiu-jitsu or Capoeira.