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Anonymous
Is it good to take a multivitamin once per day? I have heard a lot things and was wondering what /fit/ thinks. Pic related - I take one every morning with breakfast.
>> Anonymous
I don't take multivitamins cause they usually put in some stuff I do not like in my body.
I don't see a need either since I eat a lot of fruit.
>> Anonymous
It's probably fine, but centrum is a super shitty multi.
>> Anonymous
>>92517

What do you suggest?
>> Anonymous
>>92403

No, it is NOT fine. Most multivitamins overcompensate (because they are designed to be taken by deficient people), especially if you plan to consume real food throughout the rest of the day. While overcompensation is fine for say, vitamin C, it is NOT fine for certain heavy metals. Check your multivitamin lables - I bet they don't just contain the vitamins, because most vitamins do not work or have unexpected side effects without other minerals and supplements.

I would say once a week is fine for the average well-maintained adult individual.
>> Anonymous
You only need them if you don't eat a balanced diet.
>> moose
OP, take what people in this thread say with a grain of salt. They have a predisposed mindset about multivitamins.

Eat right and take a multivitamin.

For more information, take a look at these two threads.
>>89556
>>91542
>> moose
>No, it is NOT fine. Most multivitamins overcompensate (because they are designed to be taken by deficient people), especially if you plan to consume real food throughout the rest of the day. While overcompensation is fine for say, vitamin C, it is NOT fine for certain heavy metals. Check your multivitamin lables - I bet they don't just contain the vitamins, because most vitamins do not work or have unexpected side effects without other minerals and supplements.
Wow, almost everything is wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>92548
no, he is right.
Examples for dangerous overdosages: Beta Carotin can lead to heart problems.
Selen is poisonous.
BHA, BHT can cause cancer.
Vitamin A and D can cause severe organ problems.
Etc.
TlDR: Eat a carrot instead.
>> RSI guy !HjbWRiSTJ.
>>92541
well, there's the just-in-case idea. Do you know exactly how many milligrams and international units of all the various micronutrients you're eating? Jesus, it was a pain in the ass for me to just write them all out for three days in food diary

however when you consider cost it should be worth it to measure at all. Also note the naturally occurring minerals and vitamins are absorbed more efficiently than artificial ones or in pill/capsule form.

so definitely eat balanced right ( as always ), and perhaps consider supplementing that. and it must occur in that order only. No foolishness eating vitamins on empty stomachs, some kinds won't even be of absorbed without food.
>> Anonymous
I don't pretend to know shit about multivitamins but as I see it there are many things in foods that are beneficial that we don't know. Carrots don't just provide beta carotene and oranges aren't all about the vitamin C.

If you live in a first world country you have all the foods necessary for good health. Vitamins are used by people who are paranoid that they don't have enough or by folks who want an excuse to eat McD's daily and still be 'healthy'.

Multivitamins can be costly and your money is better spent buying cheap vegetables.
>> RSI guy !HjbWRiSTJ.
>>93011
Yep
>> Anonymous
Well the way I see it. If vitamins are not harmful. Why bother eating a bunch of crap that tastes like utter shit AKA carrots when you can just take one a day?
>> Hrngh
>>93023
Steamed carrots with some pepper and salt. you crazy? that shits gooooooood
>> Anonymous
I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. The nutritional value of most of our vegetables has decreased over the last hundred years. Cultivated plants that are poorly grown and engineered to grow larger have a significantly lower nutritional value than ones you might buy at a local farmers market. Plants that are basically mass produced on a scale large enough to feed a nation in a competitive farming industry simply aren't as good for you as you might think. Does the food industry care about the actual nutritional value or the fact that their soil is probably pretty low on certain key minerals?

It is incredibly hard to eat an actually balanced diet these days, particularly one that isn't full of pesticides or growth hormones. I'm not saying don't eat a healthy well rounded diet, I'm simply saying don't count on it delivering your daily required vitamins.

A multivitamin is not a BAD idea. I wouldn't take it every single day, but twice a week would be alright. Just don't take it twice in one day or youre pretty much fucked.
>> Anonymous
Also take a look into magnesium: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_magnesium.htm

"Very few people are aware of the enormous role magnesium plays in our bodies. After oxygen, water, and basic food, magnesium may be the most important element needed by our bodies. So vitally important, yet hardly known. Magnesium is by far the most important mineral in the body, activating over 300 different biochemical reactions in your body, all necessary for your body to function properly.

Magnesium is more important than calcium, potassium or sodium and regulates all three of them.
The use of magnesium today is often incorrect, resulting in frequent failure to improve common conditions and complaints. One reason is this: Calcium needs magnesium in order to assimilate into the body. However, when too much calcium is consumed, it will pull magnesium out of the body parts in order to assimilate. This creates a magnesium deficiency and the person will get worse and feel accordingly.
A 1994 Gallup poll found that 72 percent of Americans don't consume sufficient amounts of magnesium. "
>> Anonymous
As for the nutritional value decreasing, I did google on it. Tis true.
>> Anonymous
>>93066
>>93072
Your theory makes some sense, but I can't fully agree with it without some evidence. True, when selecting for size you are not necesarily selecting for nutritional value. That doesn't necessarily mean, however, that nutritional value WILL decrease as a factor of size, or as a factor of soil quality. From what I can imagine, if a plant can't get enough nutrients to grow, then it won't grow as large or as well. Case closed.

tl;dr: Nice theory, evidence?
>> Anonymous
http://www.organicauthority.com/organic-food/organic-food-articles/declining-nutritional-value-of-pr
oduce-due-to-high-yield-selective-seed-breeding..html
http://www.eartheasy.com/article_food_bad_ugly.htm
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/study_rising_co2_levels_could_decrease_the_nutrition
al_value_of_major_food_crops

It was also in scientific american. Not sure which issue. Also remember that cooking vegetables will decrease their nutritional value.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93074
It's the same bullshit that hippies use to "prove" that bio-engineered plants are harmful.
"DON'T EAT MUTANT FOOD"
"IT'S BIOENGINEERED SO IT'S NOT NATURAL"
Fuck you, you have no proof and yet you continue to sound off about scientific advances which have SOUND evidence and testing.

TL;DR Hippie logic is about as legitimate as Christian Scientist logic.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93095
Right, I'm going to believe research from a site that promotes organic, small-farms which tells me to buy my fruits and veggies from organic, small-farms.

Dream on.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93097
Apparently you're unfamiliar with scare tactics.
"LOOK WE FOUND OUT THAT CROPS FROM LARGE PRODUCERS ARE BAAAAAAD. QUICK BUY OUR STUFF IT'S BETTER!"
>> Anonymous
For example... It's a given that not all tomatoes are created equal. The growing conditions have everything to do with the nutritional value. The soil. The breed.
Why is it so impossible to believe that perhaps in the course of breeding a larger tomato they may have decreased its nutritional value?
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93101
It isn't hard to believe. But I don't tend to believe everything I hear. I need proof from an unbiased source. (Which I couldn't find in 10 pages of google searching this topic.)
>> Anonymous
>>93103
Sounds like you don't know very much about cultivation or methods of mass production in the farming industry. Your loss. I'm not going to argue about it.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93107
Sounds like you need to stop believing everything you read.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93107
Well whenever I search for variants of "mass crop production" or "large crop yield", I only get articles about how science is improving crop yield for farmers. Not a word of this so-called "decrease in nutrient content".
>> Anonymous
I saw it on television multiple times on two news channels. It was mentioned on the discovery channel. It was mentioned on PBS.
It was in another fitness magazine (probably left, you know. damn hippies and all.)

But these are all sources I can't url, so I didn't reference them.

I tend to be very skeptical, but in this case I'll err on the side of caution and take two multiple vitamins a week. Most Americans don't get their recommended daily vitamin intakes anyway, multiple or not.
>> Guil
>>93112
Well, all I know is that farmers still use manure to fertilize and I don't know what kind of nutrients are in cow shit these days.. but they also rotate crops in different fields to let some of the different minerals come back over time, so it's not like they really just don't care about it
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93113
Not arguing against multi's, I take one once a week. I'm arguing over the fact that the "solution" to this "problem" is to buy foods that the source of this "problem" promotes.

If McDonalds food was found out to be incredibly health for you with a "Scientific Study" conducted by a front group for the Fast Food Industry, would you believe it?
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93117
I'm fairly certain that they use cow shit for the Nitrogen content, not for any "nutrients". So I wouldn't worry about that.
>> Anonymous
>>93117
That isn't to say that they care about the nutritional value of food - Only that once a field is leeched, plants don't grow very well in it and that isn't good business. Some minerals ever quite return to the field, though, no matter how long you leave it out of rotation.
Not all minerals are required for a plant to grow. We still need them, though.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93125
That has far more logical credibility than "IT'S BIGGER SO THERE IS LESS". But that isn't even mentioned as a possible reason behind this "nutrient deficiency" in all these sources.
>> Anonymous
@ OP

Ignore most of the speculation in this thread about vegetables.

If your diet is very low in veggies/fruits, then a Multivitamin is good for you.

If your diet adequately supplies all of the vitamins and minerals your body needs from fruits and vegetables naturally, then you don't need a Multivitamin. I.E. if you eat multiple servings a day of various fruits/veggies.

As an example, I don't eat fruits or vegetables almost at all; mostly chicken, cottage cheese, wheat, whey, and nuts compose my diet, so I take a Multivitamin.
>> BARNABY JONES
>>93089
And if you actually do research and trace the facts to their source (or at least a synopsis):
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/gcb/2008/00000014/00000003/art00010;jsessionid=8dknn9919u0
t.alexandra

You discover that the study doubled to TRIPLED the amount of CO2 compared to normal air. For a 15% decrease in protein at MOST. OH NO, my 8g of protein from my beans is now only 6.8g! WE'RE GONNA DIE.

Fuck sensationalism.