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Weight Stack vs Plate Loaded Anonymous
Why do I find my self struggling more (and lifting less) on machines that are plate loaded? (I normally use machines with weight stacks)
>> poopdick
fuck machines
>> Anonymous
free weights brah
>> Anonymous
There are some exercises that can only be done via machines.
>> Anonymous
>>367112

like wat?
>> Anonymous
>>367116
cable curls...duh
>> Codeman
>>367116
Cable pulldowns
Cable crunches
Row machine
>> Anonymous
>>367116
neck pulls, although upright rows are similar.
>> Anonymous
Pull downs and seated rows come to mind. There are probably others.
>> Anonymous
the amount of weight on a stack does not always correlate to how much weight you are actually pulling do to mechanical advantage. ever notice some cable machines are easier at the same weight than other cable machines?
>> Anonymous
because machines isolate the muscles in question.

free weights require stabilizing muscles, and in turn, making you stronger overall.

free weights > machines
>> Anonymous
everyone is mentioning exercises that are the same exact movements as other lifts. this one however cannot be reproduced without cables

http://abcbodybuilding.com/exercise3/facepulls.htm
>> Anonymous
>>367132
stop being an ignorant fuck. one is not better than the other, they are both equally important to an effective strength training program. what happens when you did all your bench and your stabilizers are shot to hell but you still have strength left in your pecs? cant bench anymore, how about the smith machine? that works. fuck off.
>> Anonymous
>>367149
NO A FUCKING MACHINE IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ANY STRENGTH TRAINING PROGRAM UNLESS YOU ARE A PUSSY.
>> Anonymous
>>367149
You shouldn't be training to failure for maximum strength gains anyway. Mass gains, or muscular endurance but not strength gains.
>> Anonymous
>>367149
Hahaha smith machine, go fuck yourself
>> Anonymous
>>367175
who you calling a pussy?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/rjwest21/ronniecoleman-1.gif
>> Anonymous
>>367178
what kind of bitchass strength program are you on?
>> Anonymous
>>367175
ohh fuck, you must be right, you typed in all caps.
>> Anonymous
>>367149

faggot, do push ups
>> Anonymous
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WHO YOU CALLING A PUSSY, BITCH?
>> Anonymous
>>367222
yeah, because pushups always put you in the exact rep range you want.... oh wait, no they dont because its plyo-fucking-metrics
>> Anonymous
>>367225

faggot lift weights
>> Anonymous
>>367229
funny, thats exactly what I am arguing for, you on the other hand are a total bitch who stops lifting after his stabilizers are tired.
>> Anonymous
>>367211

Leg Press LOL
>> Anonymous
7/10 op
>> Anonymous
>>367245
when you can move even 1/4 of that weight you can laugh
>> Anonymous
>>367213
Starr 5x5. Judging by your comments you're either on an ineffective strength routine, or a bodybuilding routine.
>> Anonymous
Machines
The most important component in any strength training program is safety. If you are new to strength training or if you are working out alone, variable resistance machines are the best bet. While machines can be a viable option for serious weight training, they are best for novice, senior and recreational athletes.

For rehabilitating injured athletes, variable resistance machines are preferred. They provide a more controlled motion and specifically isolate certain muscle groups. Machines also allow you to track progress and provide objective feedback while increasing the protective participation of the healthy limb or muscle group.

Free Weights
Research has shown us that free weights promote quicker strength gains and they require more balance and coordination than do the weight machines. Free weights recruit more muscle groups than variable resistance machines, which tend to only isolate specific muscles.

Free weights are also more versatile than machines because they allow for more variations in range of motion. Free weights require balance, and they tend to promote more activity of the joint stabilizer muscles. Finally, they are considerably less expensive than most of the machines on the market. You can perform a complete strength training routine with a few dumbbells, and a little imagination.
>> Anonymous
>>367258

>While machines can be a viable option for serious weight training, they are best for novice, senior and recreational athletes.
>they are best for novice, senior and recreational athletes.
>novice, senior and recreational athletes
>novice, senior
>novice

Fucking noob, no one here cares about your passionate defense of smith machine curls
>> Anonymous
>>367263
>smith machine curls
wat