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Does Exercise Really Make Us Thinner? Anonymous
>Despite half a century of efforts to prove otherwise, scientists still can’t say that exercise will help keep off the pounds. This is not to say that there aren’t excellent reasons to be physically active, we might just enjoy exercise. We may increase our overall fitness; we may live longer, perhaps by reducing our risk of heart disease or diabetes; But there’s no reason to think that we will lose any significant amount of weight, and little reason to think we will prevent ourselves from gaining it. The one thing that might be said about exercise with certainty is that it tends to makes us hungry. Maybe not immediately, but eventually. Burn more calories and the odds are very good that we’ll consume more as well. And this simple fact alone might explain both the scientific evidence and a nation’s worth of sorely disappointing anecdotal experience.
http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/
in b4 skimming frist 2 paragraphs and energy in/out baaaawing
>> Anonymous
diet + exercise makes you thinner. exercise alone does not make you thin. wow....
>> Anonymous
sage
>> Kanader
energy in/out

baaaaw
>> Anonymous
>>128617
what are you basing that on? what your gym buddies and teachers told you?

nice troll, but to clarify anyway, the article says that diet does make you thinner, but exercise has no proven effect on fat loss/gain prevention, either by itself or in conjunction with a diet
>> Anonymous
isolated experiment tiem!

One hundred fatties, all given equal amount of food, half are forced to run 10 miles a day and the other half aren't. There are obviously some problems with an experiment like that, but with a very large number of test subjects and a properly controlled environment, if exercise contributes to weight loss in a significant way than it should be proven.
>> Anonymous
So why are there no fat Olympic competitors? (aside from the wrestlers?)
>> Anonymous
>>128641

simple matter of burning more calories than you take in = fat loss. doesn't take a teacher or gym buddy to figure that out.
>> Anonymous
Sounds persuasive. Until

>>Burn more calories and the odds are very good that we’ll consume more as well.

No. Keep to your diet. "the odds are very good" my ass.
>> Anonymous
Basically, this is Generation Y. A bunch of computer fatasses who drink tons of soda and sit down all day, playing on the computer.

Exercise and fitness will be bagged on and eating junkfood will be justified, to no one's surprise.
>> Anonymous
>>128667
>>128673
>>128674
>Ultimately, the relationship between physical activity and fatness comes down to the question of cause and effect. Is Lance Armstrong excessively lean because he burns off a few thousand calories a day cycling, or is he driven to expend that energy because his body is constitutionally set against storing calories as fat? If his fat tissue is resistant to accumulating calories, his body has little choice but to burn them as quickly as possible; His body is telling him to get on his bike and ride, not his mind. Those of us who run to fat would have the opposite problem. Our fat tissue wants to store calories, leaving our muscles with a relative dearth of energy to burn. It’s not willpower we lack, but fuel. The official recommendations to eat less and exercise more and assuredly you’ll get thinner. And in the strict sense this is true—you can starve a human, or a rat, and he will indeed lose weight—but that misses the point. Humans, rats, and all living organisms are ruled by biology, not thermodynamics. From this biological or homeostatic perspective, lean people are not those who have the willpower to exercise more and eat less. They are people whose bodies are programmed to send the calories they consume to the muscles to be burned rather than to the fat tissue to be stored—the Lance Armstrongs of the world.
>> Anonymous
i lost over 70 pounds in less then a year and yes diet was one thing but i know the thing that got rid of my belly was running Theres no way i lost weight eating the way i do now so from experience id say Yes exercise is the key IMO
>> Anonymous
>>128685

makes sense. same thing goes for strength too. you can't expect to gain strength from a few days of working out, you have to condition your body to work under high tension.
>> Anonymous
>>128680
noone is bagging fitness or exercise nor saying it's a good idea to subsist on a diet of cheetos and soda

all that is being said is that exercise and weight loss is a complex biological system that doesn't boil down to a simple energy in/out equation, and particularily, there is no evidence that exercise has an effect of our bodies natural fat storage. might want to try discussing that and maybe reading, instead of posting kneejerk responses.
>> Anonymous
>>128685

And scientific proof of this?
>> Anonymous
>>128641
>>but exercise has no proven effect on fat loss/gain prevention, either by itself or in conjunction with a diet

oh what a fucking horseshit response. you, like that author are fantastically ignorant. that's not what the article says at all. but it does say several times that if "exercise builds up appetite" and makes no further logical connection than that. in short, the whole things says: it says "we had a bunch of people exercise but then let them eat whatever they wanted to after and, welp, they got fat."

the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise. it does not look at specific changes in diet AND the combination with exercise. "oh holy shit, i get a powerful hunger after exercisin'! i needs ta eat" is the extent

well, sherlock if you satisfy that powerful appetite with fatty steaks, gallons of whole milk and plates of french fries, no wonder you gain fat, no matter how much you exercise. there's not a single study quoted that shows exercise causes fat gains that also quantitatively defines diet types which caused weight gains.

no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.

my favorite part is: "The more rigorous the exercise, and the more fat lost from our fat tissue, the greater the subsequent increase in LPL activity in the fat cells. Thus, post-workout, we get hungry: Our fat tissue is devoting itself to restoring calories as fat, depriving other tissues and organs of the fuel they need and triggering a compensatory impulse to eat."

Ah, so it's your fat that makes you fat.

wat?

go be a retarded troll somewhere else.
>> Anonymous
>>128697
>The job of determining how fuels (glucose and fatty acids) will be used, whether we will store them as fat or burn them for energy, is carried out primarily by the hormone insulin in concert with an enzyme known technically as lipoprotein lipase—LPL, for short.
>In the eighties, biochemists and physiologists worked out how LPL responds to exercise. They found that during a workout, LPL activity increases in muscle tissue, and so our muscle cells suck up fatty acids to use for fuel. Then, when we’re done exercising, LPL activity in the muscle tissue tapers off and LPL activity in our fat tissue spikes, pulling calories into fat cells. This works to return to the fat cells any fat they might have had to surrender—homeostasis, in other words. The more rigorous the exercise, and the more fat lost from our fat tissue, the greater the subsequent increase in LPL activity in the fat cells. Thus, post-workout, we get hungry: Our fat tissue is devoting itself to restoring calories as fat, depriving other tissues and organs of the fuel they need and triggering a compensatory impulse to eat. The feeling of hunger is the brain’s way of trying to satisfy the demands of the body. Just as sweating makes us thirsty, burning off calories makes us hungry.
this doesn't prove that there is a purely genetic component, but it does provide a biochemical process for it, and it essentially disproves that exercise = weightloss, which was never proven in the firstplace.
>> Anonymous
>>128707
>well, sherlock if you satisfy that powerful appetite with fatty steaks, gallons of whole milk and plates of french fries, no wonder you gain fat, no matter how much you exercise. there's not a single study quoted that shows exercise causes fat gains that also quantitatively defines diet types which caused weight gains.
did you just say that diet is the factor that determines weight loss? nice work.
>> Anonymous
Willpower to exercise > all of this shit.

Fatties, hear what you want to hear.
>> Kanader
OMG; 8/10
>> Anonymous
>>128714
nice job doofus. are you feeling extra retarded today?

here, i'll quote it again:

>>the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise.

>>no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.

>>the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise.

>>no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.

>>the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise.

>>no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.

>>the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise.

>>no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.

get it yet, stupid?
>> Anonymous
>>128716
trust me, a fatty DOES NOT want to hear that they are biogically programmed to be a massive fat fuck no matter what they do

"exercise + diet is all that is needed" is EXACTLY what they would want to hear, which is ironically what you are choosing to hear/read. gw
>> Anonymous
Insulin makes us store fat. Stop eating high GI foods, stop storing fat. Easy as pie. Exercise doesn't have to enter into it.
>> Anonymous
>>128722
>the article looks at one factor of the equation: exercise.
no it doesn't
>no one i've seen in this forum suggests that anything less than exercise paired with proper nutrition (not an "all you can eat" at the trough like this article suggests) will lead to fat loss.
irrelevant. noone on a scientology forum suggests that anything less than thetan therapy and emeters leads to wellbeing, but it doesn't make it true. you are being very emotional, i have to say.
it also doesn't say all you can eat, it actually talks about insulin and how it relates to increased levels of hunger, abnormaly high levels of hunger if you will (ie. overeating).
>> Anonymous
almost as good as the "smoking isnt bad for you" i started
>> Kanader
Seriously; the author has long established his reputation as a hack. He came out in favor of Atkin's well after physicians in general came out against it, and has generally built his publishing career on finding controversy where there really is none. He's the nutritional science version of the Discovery Institute. Taking him seriously without doing further research would be damn silly.

For what it's worth, as much as he's tried to make his name in dietary science, he has no formal education in it whatsoever. He has a degree in physics and journalism. Let's leave health advice to the physicians.
>> Anonymous
Taubes knows his shit. Read the book, but beware SCIENCE CONTENT: Good Calories, Bad Calories.
>> Anonymous
>>128755
>Taubes knows shit.
Fixed
>> retarded kevin
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Pathetic biological determinism from a hack. Also, obvious troll.
>> Anonymous
>>128740
>>no it doesn't

yes it does. show me one study quoted that also details quantitatively how these newly increased appetites were satisfied. not a single one does.

if you refer to the swedish marathon study quoted, nominally they tried monitor:

"Mean daily intakes from 7-day dietary records for macro- and micronutrients were calculated at the start, after 1 year of training, and just before running the marathon. Anthropometric measurements were taken on the same occasions. In males the body fat mass decreased 2.4 kg, while in females no change in body composition was observed over the 18-month training period."

so the "monitoring" was a weekly log of what people ate, requiring the subjects to remember everything they ate. and of course, no one ever forgets about the little things or lies about what they ate in surveys like this. especially women. that's not monitoring under controlled conditions, and under current standards, no respectable scientist would make informed opinions with that poor control.

what they did "report" for diet was that everyone ate more. men in the survey lost an average of 2.4 kg of fat. women ate more carbs and didn't lose as much weight.

so from that, the men watched what they ate, and lost weight while exercising. the women didn't watch what they ate and stayed the same.

also completely missing was any kind of correlation with who trained how much vs. what their diet was vs. fat loss.

that's not a controlled study.
>> Anonymous
>>irrelevant.

how are the effects of controlled diet and exercise in weight loss irrelevant? it's the topic of this thread, and how the article did a horrible job correlating the two. and adding a scientology strawman is so very /b/. go collect your moot-points.

>>you are being very emotional, i have to say.

hardly. shitty science reporting is shitty science reporting and it's easy to point it out. your inability to grasp how controlled studies are performed with specific variables actually monitored is right up there with the authors. this story would be laughed out of any peer reviewed journal, which is why it was published in "new york magazine" and not nejm.

>>it also doesn't say all you can eat,

it doesn't not say it either. in fact it doesn't say anything about food other than people get hungry when they exercise.

did you really need 5 pages to figure that out?
>> Anonymous
>>128791
obviously that wasn't the purpose of the study, however your point is somewhat valid. i wish i could find some study that shows a direct correlation but i'm studying for an exam atm and cbf. there are some dumb rat studies in the article too however.
>>128793
>how are the effects of controlled diet and exercise in weight loss irrelevant?
it's not. i'm just saying that the argument that since /fit/ believes it it is correct is false, and therefore irrelevant. everyone believing the earth was flat didn't make it true.
>hardly. journal blah
it's not a scientific study, it's an article. no crap. it doesn't claim to be anything other than one, and merely sets out to make a point, a valid point that the current scientific literature needs to be scruitinized more and not accepted as gospel. that's a fair call.
>in fact it doesn't say anything about food other than people get hungry when they exercise.
exactly, and there's a reason you are getting hungry. it's essentially a form of self-starvation: the body is craving something, it needs it for some function, but it is denied. this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the reason for the hunger is that the body is performing a specific function of energy storage and that's a completely valid topic to pursue. maybe by starving it it will cause other systems to get lower priority and get insufficient energy. maybe to perform your squatz and gain strength like many people on /fit/, you *should* indulge your body in the energy it needs instead of letting yourself go hungry or you will find little to no gain. the point is we're trying to understand health and fitness and apply it, and an important part of that is understanding how the biological processes which directly affect that work. that's why *you* need 5 pages.
>> Anonymous
>>128685

Well gee, I wonder what could 'reprogramme' a body to use calories rather than store them as fat.

Oh, I know, maybe it's FUCKING EXERCISE.
>> Anonymous
This bullshit theory gets disproven every single day. Fatties - stop rejoicing and put on your fucking running shoes. Lazy fucks.
>> Anonymous
>>129028
...and maybe it's not
what are you? a fucking molecular biologist?
can they be programmed? nice assumptions, doc
>> Anonymous
>>129031
Nice fail, troll.
>> Anonymous
God. I can almost hear the halfassers of the world turning to this article and saying to themselves "oh hey exercise won't make me lost weight because I'll just be replenishing the fat stores when I stuff my fucking face again after exercise."
>> Anonymous
Solution: EXERCISE AND STOP EATING SO MUCH. just because you are hungry doesn't mean you need to eat and if you have any self control, you won't eat more then you want to.
>> Anonymous
So you're saying it was just the lack of food that made the Jews so skinny during the holocaust, and NOT the hours of hard labor they had to do every day?
>> Anonymous
>>129040
yes.
>> Anonymous
>>129033
>>129036
>>129040
>HAY THIS ARTICLE IS SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST MY INGRAINED BELIEFS SO IT HAS TO BE WRONG
cool
>> Anonymous
I don't think I've ever encountered a more infuriating article. Fuck you, OP.
>> Anonymous
>>129053

And what justifies said beliefs? My personal experience. I've lost weight in the past. Exercise and dieting seperately did very little. Combining them was the most productive.

But you go ahead and place your faith in an article plucked from a magazine which appears to be written for no other reason than to cause a stir via cherrypicking and intentionally leaving out some of the most important details of the fat loss process. I mean, physics and journalism roughly equate to qualifications in biology, right?
>> Anonymous
Your body will only successfully burn fat when both your metabolism is NOT slow, and the excess fat is burdening your body to the point where work is easier without it.
>> Anonymous
Down the road, in a gym far away
A young man was heard to say,
"No matter what I do, my legs won't grow!"
He tried leg extensions, leg curls, leg presses too.
Trying to cheat, these sissy workouts he'd do!
From the corner of the gym where the big guys train,
Through a cloud of chalk and the midst of pain,
Where the big iron rides high, and threatin' lives,
Where the noise is made with big forty-fives,
A deep voice bellowed as he wrapped his knees,
A very big man with legs like trees,
Laughing as he snatched another plate from the stack,
Chalked his hands and monstrous back,
Said, "Boy, stop lying and don't say you've forgotten!
Trouble with you is you aint been SQUATIN'!!"