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distraction from the real goals Anonymous
Hi,

I think the biggest problem I face in life is distraction:

trolling on /b/ reading news which will never affect me etc....

do you guys have an Idea how to condition myself to loose this habit?

I tried ProCon (Website blocker) but then its always a "fight" and that just does not work out:
I exercise regularly since about 6 Month and eat healthy since that time too: it holds because I don't try to force myself to do it but "have fun" with it.
(2 days without physical activity makes me really want to do something)

So how could this be applied to other areas of my life?

maybe there *IS* some kind of conditioning "tool" available?
>> Anonymous
whenever you go onto /b/, just tell yourself what you should be doing, and do it.

if you don't have the willpower you're in a pretty sorry state.
>> Anonymous
>>40717
if it only would be willpower we all would not smoke don't do drugs have best grades and PHDs

I thought about this "NLP" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
Anthony Robbins uses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins

but maybe someone has a better Idea?
my goal is some kind of subconscious conditioning of myself

maybe someone could recommend a book on this? (tried it)
>> Anonymous
>>40721
It is willpower. Most people don't have any.
>> Anonymous
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>>40714

I've got the exact same problem. If I don't stop with this shit it'll fuck up my grades.
>> Anonymous
>>40746
thanks man, maybe we can find something?

what I use is caffeine tablets: I eat probably too much of them but...
well probably placebo effect

right now I am trying to keep an hourly log on what I did but if there would be a way to really condition oneself to enjoy X, THAT would be great. In NLP there is this concept of anchoring:
>> Anonymous
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/mindMastery/anchoring.htm

Your can change your state of mind or mood easily using the techniques of anchoring. This means you can, for example, stay calm and relaxed whatever other people are doing or however provoking they may be.

You do this by anchoring states of mind so you can fire the anchor and establish the state instantly.
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Anchoring

Anchoring is reminiscent of Pavlov's experiments with dogs. Pavlov sounded a bell as the animal was given food. The animals salivated when they saw the food. After some parings of the bell and the food, the bell alone elicited salivation.

Anchors are stimuli that call forth states of mind - thoughts and emotions. For example, touching a knuckle of the left hand could be an anchor. Some anchors are involuntary. So the smell of bread may take you back to your childhood. A tune may remind you of a certain person. A touch can bring back memories and the past states. These anchors work automatically and you may not be aware of the triggers.

Establishing an anchor means producing the stimuli (the anchor) when the resourceful state is experienced so that the resourceful state is pared to the anchor. For example, touching the knuckle of the left hand when the resourceful state is experienced to pair the two events.

Activating or firing the anchor means producing the anchor after it has been conditioned so that the resourceful state occurs.For example, touching the knuckle of the left hand after the anchor has been established so that this action produced the resourceful state.

This page is concerned with creating anchors that produce resourceful states at will.
>> Anonymous
>>40748
Caffeine didn't help me to focus on the relevant things. I felt less fatigue but I still wasted all my time, was psyched up and I slept bad so I reduced my coffee intake. Now I drink some cups of green tea a day.
I try to not switch my PC on before 4 p.m., though I always fail at it. Today it was 1 p.m. when I felt the urge to read some /fit/ and other stuff. Damn it.


>>40749
I'll look into it.
>> Anonymous
>>40752
I know what you mean with the caffeine.
Same here but this Action alone
of taking it gave a point where I
started something useful and this developed into a "habit" after reading this anchoring site I would say it developed into an "Anchor"

I'll try this anchoring stuff

has someone experience with that
or a better alternative? (this has a little "new age" stuff ringing in my ears though Pavlov's dogs are real and it makes sense to me..)
>> Anonymous
at least you're not playing WoW.
>> Anonymous
>>40756
I never played Wow, but I can't imagine it as useless as pissing into /b/?
>> Anonymous
Clean your room. Seriously.

For awhile I let my apartment go to shit with garbage and shit. If you keep a clean computer space, pick up all your clothes off the floor. It really makes your mind feel more relaxed, and makes you feel better coming home after work.
>> Anonymous
you could get yourelf permabanned and not evade it
>> Anonymous
>>40776
my room is very clean,
thin is that this is a distraction in itself (when I was in school right before tests my room would be so f***ing important to clean)

>>40808
I could install a web blocker... wait I did that, it did not work
>> Anonymous
>I think the biggest problem I face in life is distraction: trolling on /b/ reading news which will never affect me etc....do you guys have an Idea how to condition myself to loose this habit?

I quit cold turkey. The reason I quit was because I was having seriously contemplating whether to kill myself for various reasons I will not go into. Anyway, all I could hear inside my head were things like "An Hero" and DO IT FAGGOT!"

I went back to /b/ 2 days ago for the first time in 2 months and well frankly...the shit sucks now. I'm not interested in it anymore.
>> Anonymous
>>40812

Just unplug your router.


Start thinking about why you laugh at things.
>> Anonymous
Hi,

just wanted to give a follow up:
I activated procon again and smashed in a password so I don't know it, which means no password removal possible. (I just write this on the internet explorer which I normally don't use and won't use anymore)

I am also trying to play mozart when doing work: first to anchor working to the music and second to facilitate this "Mozart effect"

so bye for now I won't be able to access this site anymore
>> Anonymous
>>41089
I played WoW for awhile, it wasn't fun but I still played it, quit cold turkey, but something unexpected happened
I still wasted time just like I otherwise would have, and it was the same when I got b& from 4chon

in order to effectively defeat a bad habit, you must replace it with a good habit, as I am now trying to do
>> Anonymous
good insight OP

people ask me what I did to lose weight ("did you become vegetarian?"), my parents even think it's a problem.

I lost weight SPECIFICALLY because i didn't make a rigid diet or exercise plan, I just became conscious of what I ate.

But while I cut out things like disgusting greasy burgers, sausage, and liquid calories (soda, fruit "juice", etc), I still indulge in fatty deserts and meaty meals here and there --

Moderation takes more discipline than abstinence, that's the point.
>> tl;dr Anonymous
>>40776
This works for me. My mood is (for some unknown reason) linked to my immediate environment, especially if it's home.

The problem is when it's dirty, I don't feel like doing anything, including cleaning. So I don't clean, and I'm stuck in a loop. If somebody else cleans up, I perk up and keep it clean for a while, till I get distracted and too big of a mess piles up. Then I'm back to feeling down.

Anyways, I'm not sure willpower is the word, since it sounds like forcing yourself to do something - which I hate. I don't know a word for what I want to say.

Willpower and forcing yourself is one way to do it. You can just do it. I can also stay focused well on something I can about, and rarely on certain things I don't care about but for some reason become obsessive with (??). The main thing I want to say though, like I said, I can't put a word to.

It's like when playing a relatively complex RTS, and there's all these different things you can do and you need to do heavy multitasking. Things get quiet for a while, you have a decent army and decent resources, and sometimes at that point I would just kind of space out. I'd still be playing, but slowly and poorly. Suddenly, a huge enemy army would come in and I find out I've been wasting a lot of time just sitting there not really knowing where to go next.

The same thing happens when I shower and I take hour long showers.

I'm getting better at it, and honestly don't see it as that much of a problem. A lot of time is wasted, but I always feel like I could just do it right if I really wanted. I've tried sheer effort, and I can go for a while, but I inevitably forget I was putting forth the effort and fade back into the zoning.
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>>41457

what a good fucking analogy

I just thought I should point that out
>> page 2 Anonymous
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>>41457fix
>I can also stay focused well on something I CARE about,

I suppose I still have problems with it. It's hard to explain. But I don't think there's some magic trick or something to fix it or make it easier, it's up to the person themself.

You just have to stop doing it wrong.
>> page 3 Anonymous
Now that I think about it, it's the difference between passive and active. Do you just sit there and let things go as they will, or do you wake up and take initiative? Learning to do that might be the answer.

I also think to be at their best, people need to know how to do both.
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>>41460
Is that sarcasm? I can't tell, lol

I think school played a major part in conditioning this (probably not intentionally). I daydreamed constantly, everything was so boring. It was like spending 6 hours a day just sitting there waiting to be let free.

You have no control over it, nothing you do will make it get over faster. All you can do is sit there and wait patiently. So I learned to go passive, just zone out and go through the motions, and bide my time.

I imagine prison is a more extreme version of this. And I wonder if it was like that for others.