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Anonymous
Hey /fit/,

I'm flat-footed, was wondering if there's any particular way to "cure" this. I started wearing shoes that arch my feet, but my favorite pair of shoes are these New Balances and I don't think they have enough of an arch.

When I run, my feet hit the ground hard, if I "pick my feet up" so to speak will this improve them? Or is this just a lost cause.
>> Anonymous
bump need some advice before I run today.
>> Jouwl
I don't really know what flat-footing is, but the human running mechanism relies on the feet's ability to land on the front half first, and then the heel. This makes sure that the calfmuscle dampens the landing which will take the stress off the heel and the rest of the bones in the knee. (When you land on your heels, the impact will damage not only your heel but also your knee)

So I suggest you find a large square of grass and run around it in circles, barefoot. Shoes will, if anything, make your condition worse. Remember humans weren't born with shoes, running with them makes no sense unless you need protection from sharp rocks and the like.
>> Anonymous
see a podiatrist
>> Fatass_sprinter !dHCbrHI07w
I'm flat footed as well. Just focus on running on the balls of your feet.
>> Anonymous
>>402838
Shoe inserts are the only thing you can do. Either you get some shoes with built in arches, or you go to a podiatrist and get prescription ones.
>> Anonymous
>>402894

>Remember humans weren't born with shoes, running with them makes no sense unless you need protection from sharp rocks and the like.

What a fucking idiotic thing to say. Sure, humans didn't evolve with shoes on, but we did evolve with the brains to make some damn good running shoes. A good pair of shoes can support your knees and ankles as well as your feet.

Based solely on that sentence of stupidity, I recommend completely disregarding his entire post.
>> Anonymous
OP should try running on grass without shoes and try to maintain a run where you land on the front ball of the foot. When I did it, I just ran in shoes, but i believe without shoes will make it easier.

This will give you DOMS in your calves the first few times you do it. And you will not be able to sprint like this straight away. But you will be able to transition into this technique pretty easily.

After changing how you run, you will notice you can run faster and for longer periods of time with less effort than when you ran flat footedly. Good Luck.
>> Anonymous
>>402894
Humans also weren't born with clothes but winter fucking sucks without them.
>> Anonymous
>>403259

that's what body hair is for
>> Anonymous
>>403264
where do you live? california?
>> Anonymous
Yeah didn't the first humans live for about 30 years. They fucking blew ass.
>> Anonymous
Someone changed my post, I didn't like that.
>> Anonymous
>>403232A good pair of shoes can support your knees and ankles as well as your feet.
Something you wouldn't need if you weren't wrapping your whole foot in a stiff, oddly contoured shell that makes a natural gait impossible. I mean, look in your fucking shoe. It puts the ball of your foot weirdly low, forces your toes to curl up, and in many shoes, places your heel above the ball of your foot. HELLO, what did we evolve to walk/run on, and how is it shaped? The ground, and it's flat. No one would be dumb enough to land on their heels without a running shoe industry built around perpetuating the idea that you should.
>> Anonymous
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/
I want to get a pair of these.
I am trying to start running barefoot to save my knees from strain, but I usually tear up my feet whenever I go out. I figure getting a shoe like this is easier than developing calluses.
>> Anonymous
>>404475
Those do look pretty cool, but calluses are awesome. When it's warm enough where you are, try carrying flip-flops around and only wearing them when you go indoors or to other places where shoes are expected. Your feet will toughen up in no time.
>> Anonymous
Shit, now my feet can be healthy *and* warm. Thanks for posting these things, anon.
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/products_Flow.cfm
>> Anonymous
>>404515

how come every time i recommended these everyone told me to shut the fuck up and go back to the paleolithic age? we were meant to be barefoot not with 10oz raised heel bullshit shoes they force feed you at foot locker
>> Anonymous
>>404536
You were eaten either by trolls or idiots. Sorry.
>> Anonymous
>>404536

Cavemen didn't walk around on the concrete all day, they walked around on soft pliable earth.
>> Anonymous
>>404606

so what did they do during the ice age? find patches of grass and crawl to them then start walking? what did they do in the alpine zone, see rocks and then commit suicide?
>> Anonymous
>>404609

How do you know what they did then? Were you there?
>> Anonymous
so are you saying that man never went out to get food during the ice ages? that he stood no sat (because standing would constitute pressure on his sensitive feet) in a cave for centuries eating lichen and moss?
>> Anonymous
>>404606
Even so, your "cure" is worse than the problem. Compare the way your feet feel after being at the office all day to the way they feel after being barefoot at home all day. Notice a difference? Shoes are fucking your shit up on a regular basis, yet you still love them.
>> Anonymous
I like my flat feet and have no problem running whatnot. I think the whole "flat foot" thing being connotated as a negative thing is a product of society and not necessarily medical.
>> Anonymous
>>404621

So you're saying you know what you don't? Cavemen were just as smart as modern humans. More than likely they would have worn padded protection on their feet. But maybe they didn't. Who knows? I don't, and you don't either. So stop acting like you do.

>>404626

The difference is you're relaxing at home.
>> Anonymous
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>>404651
Sure, they wore moccasins and sandals. Not the tank-shoes you see today.

The difference is that I'm not wearing shoes at home.
>> Anonymous
>>404651

i can't see how people say that every technological/medical "innovation" is better. they said low-fat diets were more healthy, now they found out that isn't the case because so many people are suffering from a high carb diet.

the same goes for shoes, we weren't meant to wear shoes our feet have cusions on them, they have the most nerve glands than any part of our body so that we know what is right and what is wrong when he walk or run. with shoes we can't feel anything therefore our ability to know what is doing harm and doing us right is compromised which is why so many people get injuries running because they are running wrong, otherwise would be noted if they didn't wear shoes. try running heel-to-toe without shoes and you will notice that it hurts, but running mid-foot or ball of foot first is comfortable. sure you can do this in regular running shoes but it's very difficult and in the long run useless because you have to consciously be reminded that you have a inclined heel and have to avoid striking it first.

that's what i think, if you still want to run with your 120 dollar running shoes go ahead, but in the long run i will be still running without injuries and you will be complaining about blisters (our feet sweat at least a pint a day, another reason why shoes are bad, promote blisters and fungus growth) and arthritis
>> Anonymous
>>404667

My cavemen ancestors developed cushioned shoes. You know how I know? Because my feet are more comfortable with padding.
>> Anonymous
>>404673
Or so you imagine. You also enjoy eating sweets, and smoking. Doesn't mean it's good for you. If you adopted healthier habits, you would like them as much, if not better.
>> Anonymous
>>404670

Enjoy your 90 dollar vibrams, and your pseduo-scientific conjectures
>> Anonymous
>>404676

Don't tell me what I should like and how I should think. And don't equate my choice of superior footwear with unhealthiness, or I might have to equate you with being a Crossfit faggot nazi, because that's how you're acting.
>> Anonymous
nah..you're fucked.. i'm flat footed too because of an extra bone in my foot. You might have the extra bone too. You can get it removed, but that only causes more complications. Basically just get comfy shoes.. and I don't really suggest the podiatrist.. just a waste of money. I went there two or three times. they gave me orthotics, that were uncomfortable as hell and gave me the worst ass blisters I've ever had in my life.
>> Anonymous
>>404677

shoes are as much pseudo-science, as running barefoot is. there has never been proven cases where it's healthier to have heel support/arch support/inability to feel the ground/less flexible foot as shoes do.

and if you do find a case, tell me because i'll gladly send it to Nicholas Romanov, Ph.D., creator of POSE Method
>> Anonymous
>>404686
I'm telling you that what you like or think is good for you has no bearing on what is actually healthy or enjoyable once you get acclimated. "But dey is comfy," coming from a habitual shoe-wearer, is what I might call less than convincing.
>> Anonymous
>>404692

Oh really, no studies? There's no significant difference between barefoot running and running with shoes.

>Tibiocalcaneal kinematics of barefoot versus shod running.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10940397?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubm
ed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

>It is concluded that calcaneal and tibial movement patterns do not differ substantially between barefoot and shod running

>>404698

You're still preaching. Shut your weak face crossfit faggot.


Listen up both of you, I drank the kool-aid 8 years ago with Crossfit. Running barefoot/mid-stride caused me more problems then I've ever had with my New Balances.
>> Anonymous
>>404721
That study only measured the movement of the heel bone and the tibia. What about the rest of the foot?
>> Anonymous
>>404735

Tibiocalcaneal is in reference to the medial ligament of the talocrural joint, aka the ankle.
>> Anonymous
>>404742
Right. They placed sensors on the tibia and calcaneus. Soo... the rest of the foot?
>> Anonymous
>>404789

I'm not going to give you an anatomy lesson. If you actually knew what you're talking about like I do, they place the pins there to measure the stress of the ligament. The more the bones deviate the more mechanical stress is placed on the ankle joint. Hence the use of the term tibiocalcaneal.

I'll humor you. Where else do you think injuries occur in the foot, little Johnny? The little pinkie toe or the little winkie toe?
>> Anonymous
this was an interesting discussion, with only 'medium grade' trolling. i must say, i learned from this thread. probably the 1st (and likely last) time i will ever say that here