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/fit/...I think I'm fucked..and I have been for a while.

My sleeping Just isn't right. I can't get to sleep naturally until around 5-6am, and i need about 10 hours sleep before I can consider waking up and functioning correctly. It's a chore to wake up, and I'm tired no matter how much sleep I get.

I'm at University, but im on holiday at the moment. I have noticed my irregular sleeping since high school..but It's just getting worse and worse..

I went to the doctor and he said 'what do you want me to do about it'
He then printed 7 pages from website, about insomnia for me (which i'm not sure i have) and said "read this, it should send you to sleep! haha!"
Needless to say it didnt work. Sleeping pills don't work, I can stay awake through them.

I tried hypnotherapy tapes last night, and it just kept me awake. I tried a 30 minute tape, and an hour tape, (well, mp3's) I listened to both twice. neither sent me to sleep. Instead, I have stayed up all night rather than my usual early morning sleep.


WTF is wrong with me?

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>> Anonymous
force yourself to stay up till 10 to 12 PM tonight, or whatever comfortable time you feel you should be going to sleep at

reset yo clock

stick with it, go to sleep at that time every night and get up at the same time in the morning

maybe you're overstressed or something, if you are at a university it must mean you aren't 13-17 and sleep late or whatever teenagers require, 8-9 hours of sleep every night

10 is overkill I think and will make you more lethargic during the day and have a harder time going to sleep at the same time the next night
>> Anonymous
have you tried physically working out until your body can't stay up any longer? After running a marathon, all my body wanted to do was lay down and rest.
>> Anonymous
>>262400
cut out caffeine and work hard. Get a lot of exercise in.
>> ONETIMEONLY !j6Mw/.TfTY
I'm having to retype all of this... GOD DAMMIT. AND I HAVE TO BREAK IT UP. FUCK.

You've fucked up your circadian rhythm. Your body doesn't know what time to tell you to go to sleep. It's "thinking" independently of you.

Lots of sunlight in the morning is the language that tells your body it's morning.
Darkness (real darkness) and coolness at night is the language that tells your body it's nighttime.

Routine is the KEY to solving this once and for all. You will have to eliminate bad habits and endure frustrating nights of wakefulness.
First of all
Make sure your bed is comfortable.
Make your bedroom cool.
Make your bedroom dark.
Make your mornings BRIGHT. Get sunlight. Let your body know that it's morning. Eat an early breakfast. Get some exercise.
Don't nitpick little things like clocks ticking, faucets dripping, cats rustling in the bushes. I used to do that. It just takes talking yourself out of it for a few weeks, then it becomes less of a problem, and those things wake you less.
Don't think about stressful situations, (negative and positive stress, what you need is apathetic calmness and peace).
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>>262426
Visualize from the first person perspective doing all sorts of activities. Visualize it in detail. For example I visualize sometimes walking up stairs, going through hallways, going through a forest. I try to make it detailed. This will get your brain in the mode (similar to reading a book) that is helpful for sleep.
If you can't fall asleep and are getting pissed about laying in bed go into another dark room (your bed is for sleeping only) and read something until you can't focus on it anymore, then go back to bed.
If you really really need a jumpstart, then go a whole day without sleep and crash the next day at a really early bedtime. You'll wake up ridiculously early, but that will give you some room to develop some good habits.

I've dealt with sleeping problems for a long time now. Been to sleep clinics. They tell me the same stuff each time I've gone. REMEMBER routine is the KEY to making this work. You NEED to stick with it to adjust your body's cycles to suit your schedule. If you deviate you will be adjusting your bodies cycles in the wrong direction.
>> Anonymous
>>262415
OK, I'll do my best to stay up till around then. (I was going to go out tonight!)

Yeah, I'm 20 now.. I have no idea why I need so much sleep.
It's near impossible to get up in the mornings, my brain seems to do it's best to keep my body laying there.
I have set up countless alarms, which i either sleep through, or sleepwalk to turn off!

The thing that I find strange is that I find it Equally as hard waking up, as I do falling asleep. I hate myself for it!
>>262417

My lungs are in terrible shape for cardio like that.. It's actually something I want to work on!

But I have done tons of situps and weights etc.. and it just pumps me up!
>> Anonymous
>>262426
I have read about this before and It doesn't seem to do alot.
When I'm at Uni, I have to wake up early, and I get sunlight at the right times etc..
But im still late every morning, and I have to force myself to sleep at around 2AM

>>262427

thanks for the info. I tried the 'dark room reading thing' after the hypno tapess didnt work..and I got through half a book before I gave up!
I'm going to try the all nighter now!
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>>262429
For me it was all about changing my habits. It's not an instant result thing. You're going to teach your body to do what you want. It will take time.
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>>262429
>I'm going to try the all nighter now!
I want to note that you will probably shift back into your old bad sleep schedule. Try to keep an early bedtime for as long as possible after the all nighter.
>> Anonymous
>>262436
If I go to sleep at like 10 (or earlier) tonight, and around 11 every other night, is that ok?

Often I go out with my friends till 3AM and that will probably screw it up! I don't understand how they can deal with it so easily!
>> Anonymous
OK after 32 hours awake i feel pretty shitty..

I'm gonna watch Mad max 2 in bed, and then I'll be fast asleep.
Wish me luck for waking up to morning! (not the afternoon)
>> Anonymous
Stay up all night, 2 nights if it's really that bad.
Go to bed at a normal time.
Fixed!
>> Anonymous
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I had a similar problem sleeping when I went off to live on-campus, but in my case it was stress induced by my idiot roommates.

These clowns would stay up all night, either smoking weed, listening to music, playing video games, or partying, and sleeping during the day. The constant noise and music would wake me up numerous times at night, until it got to the point that as soon as I laid my head down for the night I'd get an attack of stress that would immediately wake me up to the point that I wouldn't feel drowsy until the sun started to rise. Kept on for about 3 years, but ended as soon as I graduated.

needless to say, of all the roommates I lived with through my years in college, I was the only to graduate...
>> Anonymous
Alright, since this seems to be an advice thread based on personal experience:

The not being able to sleep means your bed time might have shifted towards the later hours of the night through staying up later and later. What helps is not sleeping for an entire night or only for about half what you normally would (funnily I'm at the end of such a day right now). This makes for one hellish day, but at the end of it you want to go to sleep so bad it'll be little effort.
Getting to sleep while under stress can be hard, and from my experience you can go about it a few ways: No activities. No reading, no tv, no tapes (exception later) no nothing. Sit in your bed, stare blankly ahead and process the day. Let it come naturally. This will clear your head.
Next is distraction. It sounds weird, but figure out a small task you need to do before you go to sleep. Keep it in the back of your head and relax. Don't concentrate on it, just try to remember it during whatever sleep ritual you have. I noticed that it distracts me from everything else in my mind and I drift to sleep automatically.

Exercises before sleeping is one of the worse things you can do, in my experience. It doesn't make for good quality sleep.
>> Anonymous
>>263052
Moving on, getting out of bed is related to your sleeping pattern (the REM story, etc). You go through various stages in your sleep and at the end of them you can weak up very easily. That's why I recommended half the sleep instead of an all nighter, one of those stages ends somewhere halfway.
Also, sleeping earlier in the night (before midnight) is more effective, don't ask me why though.
Anyway, you have to take a certain amount of sleep, so that your waking time intersects one of your stage ends. For example, if you have 2 stages of 4 hours, you need 8 hours of sleep on the dot. Since you mostly sleep 10 hours, you're in the middle of a third stage when you try to wake up. Paradoxically this might mean less sleep, since oversleeping is unhealthy. The stage story is why so many people preach routine (such as onetime, who has nice advice).
>> Anonymous
>>263054
Then lastly there's psychology and programming. Get a new alarm. This might sound odd, but get an alarm with abnormally small turn off buttons and a very large snooze button. Make sure the sound is clear and functional, but NOT annoying to you. When you get used, trained even, to subconsciously hit the off button first, there's little to fix it and the alarm is useless. This will happen fast if your alarm is annoying, since you subconsciously want to shut it up quick and continue to sleep. Secondly, program a radio alarm 20 minutes before your main alarm goes off. Make sure it's soft enough to sleep through, but comfortable to listen to if you were awake. This helps you transition from your stage into almost awakened and you'll be clear minded enough to actually get up when your main alarm goes off.

The no reading in bed "one time" mentioned is part of sleep hygiene. Read about it on wikipedia and it's links. It might help.

Lastly there's programming, which thankfully I never had to use beyond age 12. You associate an event with sleeping through tedious repetition. In my case, I picked a cassette with a collection of fairy tales and listened to it every time I went to sleep. Stories are perfect, because they're fun once, then they begin to bore, even though they're interesting if not heard before. If you force yourself to listen, even after it becomes boring, your mind WILL tune out and eventually through Pavlovian conditioning, you WILL sleep 3 minutes into the tape every time thereafter.
>> Anonymous
Smoke weed.

I am not even trolling.

I have the same problem, except I can't fall asleep naturally until late. I sleep like a baby after I smoke. It is the safe alternative to sleeping pills and they actually work since it doesn't just knock you out, it just makes you much more comfortable and in a mindset for sleep.

I bought a vaporizer to use which eliminates any horrible side effects.

I'm in college and work a part-time job, I don't have time to stay up all night.
>> Anonymous
do you work out alot? if not having a fast metabolism and working out will knock you out.

i have this problem too, and when my body's sleep schedule gets really off i just stay awake for like 36 hours then go to sleep at a normal time.

also honey+malted milk = natural sedatives.