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Anonymous
hi /fit/.... i saw the velocity diet and wondered to myself if it could be used for lean weight gain even though it was designed for fat weight loss.

I am 6'1" and weigh 140

also, are there any good ways y'all know to improve triceps strength? (i can only do about 5 pushups before I lose all proper form)

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>> Anonymous
No, anabolic diet's better suited.
>> Anonymous
OP here

what's an anabolic diet? (yes i know what anabolic means biologically... just want to know if it's anything specific)
>> Anonymous
http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet/

I'm not super well versed in it, sorry.
>> Anonymous
the only way I know of gaining lean muscle mass is having good genetics and eating a truckload of healthy food a day.
>> Anonymous
reason i wanted to do a velocity diet is that i can only motivate myself to do extreme or very simple things... if i'm on a weight gain diet with any sort of normal food I'll fail in 2 days guaranteed
>> Anonymous
i have good genetics... i eat like the football players (none lineman players anyway) from my high school (accompanied by zero *real* activity) and weigh 140...
>> Anonymous
Okay, well anabolic's pretty extreme, but if you're that tall and skinny, here's extreme:

200 grams or protein
4,000 calories a day.

I'm assuming you how your own workout schedule, work lying tricep extensions (skull crushers) and dips into it to increase pushing power greatly.

Lift heavier, lower volume, any sets exceeding 8 reps need to be reconsidered.
>> Anonymous
would something like
>>59030
be a decent routine for MWF

then do a cardio/core routine (something like a 2 mile run --> core --> 5k erg) on THS

then rest on sunday?
>> Anonymous
lol, that's my routine :P

And no core\jogging is needed =D
>> Anonymous
would it be acceptable though?

i get the whole runner's high thing and have a lot of friends in the school (U of A) running club

and i always love erg'ing because EVERYONE else fails epicly at it
>> Anonymous
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It would be counterproductive to run, you've asked for my opinion, I gave it.

You'd still get plenty of gains if you eat enough, it's your life, for me, I just wanna get xbox hueg (because I know I wont ever get too big, thank you lack of steroids) so I know I can push myself and put everything in gaining sizes favour without coming out a freak.

Freak picture included. (The good kind)
Kai greene, put on over 20lb of muscle in 1 year... At his level, that's unheard of, except for phil heath, both of whom are quickly becoming some of my favs.
>> Anonymous
crud 1 more question....that 200 grams of protein is only 800 of the 4000 calories...should the rest be split into:

a - minimum healthy amount of fat + lots of carbs

OR

b - minimum healthy amount of carbs + lots of fat

OR

c - even mix
i'm inclined to guess A
>> Anonymous
>>59092
b or c in my opinion
>> Anonymous
>>59103

por que?

i'm trying to gain lean mass... unless I'm missing something eating high fat as opposed to high carbs would seem to be counterproductive (esp. since i believe carbs are necessary to initiate the burning of fat)

tell me if i'm wrong and inform me or tell me what i can read to be informed so that i can know what i'm talking about
>> Zebby
lots of whatever helps you get there, I'd say fats at night carbs in the morning, personally, but I don't give a crud about getting fat.
>> Anonymous
>>59092
You need to eat 50% protein, 40% fat, and 10% carbs. So you should actually be eating about 500 grams of protein, and less than 100 grams of carbs. You should be getting your fat from leftover McDonald's fryers. If it's good enough to run in converted diesel engines, it's good enough to run in you. It's best to get your carbs from carbonated beverages (sodas). The simple sugars allow your body to quickly break them down for fast energy right before you run or lift.
>> Anonymous
this sounded like awesome advice

until I got here:
>You should be getting your fat from leftover McDonald's fryers. If it's good enough to run in converted diesel engines, it's good enough to run in you.

and here:
>It's best to get your carbs from carbonated beverages (sodas). The simple sugars allow your body to quickly break them down for fast energy right before you run or lift.


also, soda makes my teeth feel funny (specificly it makes them feel misaligned)

i wonder if by your logic diesel #2 from the pump is also a good hydrocarbon for human consumption
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>>59130
>>carbs are necessary to initiate the burning of fat

I think you have it backwards
When you eat carbs your body produces insulin to drive down blood glucose levels

Insulin promotes lipogenesis (creation of new fat) and blocks lipolysis (conversion of stored fat into free fatty acids for use by tissues)

Insulin also drives down levels of glucagon which is the hormone that signals the release of stored energy.
>> Anonymous
>>59204
My bad. I've been lurking this board for a while, and I thought the idea was to give the worst fucking possible nutrition and fitness advice. Because that's what everyone of you assholes do. I pity anyone that actually takes any of your advice.
>> Anonymous
The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed. However, the amount of dietary carbohydrate that provides for optimal health in humans is unknown. There are traditional populations that ingested a high fat, high protein diet containing only a minimal amount of carbohydrate for extended periods of time (Masai), and in some cases for a lifetime after infancy (Alaska and Greenland Natives, Inuits, and Pampas indigenous people) (Du Bois, 1928; Heinbecker, 1928). There was no apparent effect on health or longevity. Caucasians eating an essentially carbohydrate-free diet, resembling that of Greenland natives, for a year tolerated the diet quite well (Du Bois, 1928). However, a detailed modern comparison with populations ingesting the majority of food energy as carbohydrate has never been done.

It has been shown that rats and chickens grow and mature successfully on a carbohydrate-free diet (Brito et al., 1992; Renner and Elcombe, 1964), but only if adequate protein and glycerol from triacylglycerols are provided in the diet as substrates for gluconeogenesis. It has also been shown that rats grow and thrive on a 70 percent protein, carbohydrate-free diet (Gannon et al., 1985). Azar and Bloom (1963) also reported that nitrogen balance in adults ingesting a carbohydrate-free diet required the ingestion of 100 to 150 g of protein daily. This, plus the glycerol obtained from triacylglycerol in the diet, presumably supplied adequate substrate for gluconeogenesis and thus provided at least a minimal amount of completely oxidizable glucose.
>> Anonymous
>>59227

i think someone's just grumpy because they got called for their trolling... honestly most of the time people give bad advice here it's coming from either a skewed lifterfag POV or from the fact that people ask the same shit here over and over when the answer is common sense anyway
>> Anonymous
>>59231
thank you for a reasoned post with sources...

quick question about the 70% protein bit i was under the impression that increasing protein intake increased the amount of water required to stay healthy and was effectively unable to be processed past a certain point (with ideal amount at roughly 1-2*bodyweight-in lbs grams of protein per day)...
>> Anonymous
>>59066
hahha, fag. pretty much everyone can actually gain a lot of lean muscle. most people just aren't prepared to front up to the hard work it involves. which is consistant effective training for a number of years.

one monster in my gym told a friend of mine the honest, brutal truth one day. that it took him five fucking years of constant, CONSISTANT training to look the way he did.

except pretty boys and faggots with their curls for the gurls think they can look like a flex magazine cover by pissing around on machines twice a week.

fucking fools.
>> Anonymous
>>59231
thank you. can i has the source for my own reading? i like to collect science, because that is how you learn.
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>>59069
YOU HAVE POOR GENETICS, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO EAT LIKE A LINEMAN, YET YOU GAIN NO WEIGHT WHILE DOING NO PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, YOU ARE UNABLE TO DIGEST ALL THE FOOD YOU EAT. AS IN YOU EAT SOMETHING AND YOU THEN SHIT IT OUT RATHER THAN GETTING NUTRIENTS FROM IT. SUCKS TO BE YOU. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE REALLY GOOD GENETICS PUT ON WEIGHT VERY EASILY BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO GET MORE CALORIES OUT OF THE FOOD THEY EAT, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO REALLY WATCH THEIR DIETS, OR EXERCISE RELIGIOUSLY, IN ORDER TO NOT TURN INTO A CIRCLE. LEARN TO EFFICIENT.