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WHat styles do you use, how long have you been using them, picture of current or similar body type? I've been doing karate for a year now and I've gotten way stronger and a better fighter, my school also teaches self defense kickboxing and grappling, so I can deal with weapons and ground fighting. Out of everything I'm pretty partial to leg and head kicks due to my flexibility, but I also like submitting people via arm bars or chokes. And I know I'm not ripped, but I couldn't bench 90 last year and now I can bench my own weight over 9 times. My weights 135 by the way. What about you /fit/?
>> Anonymous
I used to lift wieghts back when i was around 14/15. And I stopped up until about 6 months ago. And in those six months ive gotten my max bench upto 145. Only about 15-20 lbs away from my body weight not bad. I can only do about two reps on 145 though. Still gotta keep working.
>> Anonymous
I've done Taekwondo ( it sucks), Judo ( it awesome) traditionnal jiujitsu ( it's even better) for 7 years. Then school became my first priority for about two year.

I've just recently picked up boxing as a way to get back into martial arts ( i've been doing it for 7 months) and i'll begin Muay Thai in August.

Since i'm not tall, i prefer using takedowns and then going with GnP or submissions.

(Will take a picture of body later don't have time now, going to work)
>> Anonymous
Moar fighters.
>> Anonymous
OP here. Yeah in our grappling we do Judo and Jiujitsu. I really like both of them and find them important because you can't always win with jsut strikes, just like you can always with with just grappling. Both are needed to be a varied fighter. I really like the Judo pin, and O-goshi. More pics in a bit possibly. I need to work my stomach muscles though, because I can take hits from people my age, but when I fight the 20-30 year olds their blows to my gut don't sit as well.
>> Anonymous
highschool wrestlefag here.

Im gonna be a junior next year, and this year i got 3rd in state Div 1 in the 189 pounds weight class.

Love to beat my friend who practices muy thai when we joke around and fight on my schools mats. He kicks n punches the shit outa me, but he cant stop my take downs because his muy thai school hasnt taught him how to take down, sprawl, or defend from top and bottom properly.

But he hit me with a knee to the temple really hard once when i shot a high crotch on him, and apparently i was out for a good 2 minutes.
>> Anonymous
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Op here. Yeah MT boxing is good, but I think it may be overrated sometimes. Of my biggest irks is their kicks are straight legged to my belief. But yeah, knees are a bitch. Knees and elbows are very deadly weapons when used right.
>> Anonymous
>>179635here

yea this is true. But the other thing i like about wrestling my friend who does muy thai is that when we goof around on the mats, i make him tap all the time by lockin up shit like gene mills halfs, or guillitines really tightly.

Also i wrestle Greco-Roman and Freestyle when folkstyle is in the off season, and i won second in state in both those styles. But in highschool folkstlye is wat really counts. But anyway, i also like to greco dump him using the momentum from his punches n shit like that. Its hard to do, but ive launched him a couple times when i caught his arm well
>> Anonymous
Did Karate for 4 years and besides the odd kick i find it's basically useless in real life situations.
Started boxing last year and been going strong with it. It's a great sport that gets you into GREAT shape as well as having self defense applications.
>> Anonymous
Kickboxing.

Hoping to start judo in the near future too.
>> Anonymous
Got the run-around a few times with martial arts schools, and finally found one with contact sparring and actual useful shit. Not everything's padded down with foam, etc.

It's a mutt style, shotokan/Muay Thai for striking, jiu-jutsu and a few modified judo throws. Mostly we just do what works for us.
>> Anonymous
OP here, it generally matters what style of karate you do and who teaches it, but karate alone in real life is sometimes not th best bet, as some jerk off may think that if somes gonna stab him a head kick will save him. However their are a lot of good techniques that can be applied to real life, but due to the fact that karate alone can defend yourself 100% is why we also have kickboxing grappling and self defense, because if you only do one style, their will always be holes in your form.
>> Anonymous
Free style kung fu (like kickboxing)

Plus some grappling and chuting.
>> Anonymous
my friend tylers mom is a national champion in shotokan karate. Ive watched her drop some drunk guys before at a few weddings and college grad parties. Pretty funny to watch people who are actually good at karate beat on the inebreated average joes
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
I did TKD, but most of the techniques I learned from it are useless. So I mix up boxing and muay thai.

It's all kind of pointless as I CCW a P32 anyway.
>> Anonymous
Op here. Yeah TKD when it comes down too it aint worth much, even though last time I checked its the msot practiced martial art. Makes the rest of us look bad I say.
>> Anonymous
>>179705

This is me.
>>179687

I was just wondering why you find TKD to be so useless, I know some people that do it and they swear by it (2 black belts and a 2nd degree black belt)

Their style doesn't let them cross train with other styles (no groundfighting for them :) )

I was just wondering why you find it so useless, and are they as brainwashed as I think they are?
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179714
TKD is good for getting out of shape people in shape. A TKD black belt is more or less a fitness regimen coupled with a very cheesy point-based spar where they don't allow jumping snap kicks to the face.

But it's good exercise at any rate.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179717

How to out fight an exclusive TKD fighter:

Cut forward and sweep the leg, or lock the leg and grapple down. Bend over and hit him in the face until he taps. Or, walk around him while he tries to kick you and let him tire himself out. Landing any sort of kick on a mobile fighter with his guard up is damned hard.

TKD is an olympic sport, and most TKD places I see train their students for the point-based sport fights, not actual 'fighting'. I can tap you in the side with short roundhouse kicks 20 times and score points, but that won't get you out of an alley.
>> Anonymous
OP here I agree with the last guy. I don't know, it seems more like a sport then a martial art at some points, dont get me wrong, some TKD guys are crazy good at sparring and are in shape, but when it comes to real defense I think they are lacking. It also matters on the school, theirs a good and a bad school for every style
>> Anonymous
>>179727
It's very backward and forward isn't it?

Not much moving around the side and working angles?
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179733

There are very specific forms that TKD fighters practice that do left-right dodge followed by a kick to the back. Unfortunately most people don't bother adapting those forms to actual practice.

Yes, fights happen to be very linear.
>> Anonymous
>>179734
fantastic, most of my standup training focuses mainly on moving around and working angles.

I was told "If you want to keep jumping backwards you might as well run away"
>> Anonymous
OP here Yeah it is kinda linear fighting. And another thing I hate about TKD they insist on keeping their hands down. That seems so unsafe I can even begin to understand why theyed do it, I heard it makes them kick faster but i'd rather slow my kick down the get clocked in the face.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179737
The really traditional tkd places don't even train the basic hand moves. I've met some tkd black belts who didn't know what a backfist or palmfist were, which was depressing.

>>179736
Anyone who tells you that is an idiot that has never done a MMA style spar.
>> Anonymous
>>179742
>The really traditional tkd places don't even train the basic hand moves. I've met some tkd black belts who didn't know what a backfist or palmfist were, which was depressing.

TKD fighters don't know what hook punches are.
>> Anonymous
OP here If traditional doesn't teach hands up thats crazy. Like I said, I can admire some of TKDs kicks but besides that... Not what I'd consider self defense or how to fight at all.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179750

Haha oh wow, never seen anyone that bad.

You'd think kids would learn jab/cross/hook just from watching TV or something.
>> Anonymous
>>179754
Well, they KNOW what they are, they just don't use them. All straight punches to the abdomen, never higher than the neckline, because you can't punch higher than that in competition.
>> Anonymous
>>179742
>Anyone who tells you that is an idiot that has never done a MMA style spar.

I was mostly trying to emphasise how much I've been told to move around the opponent. I always take any advice someone gives me that they think is absolute, with a large grain of salt.
>> Anonymous
Op here couldn't imagine never using hooks. I can't use them in karate matches or tournaments, but I use them a lot with bread and butter such as Jab cross hook. I prefer straight punches usually but hooks are extremely nice when you get a nice one in or when the guard is too hard to get past with a linear punch
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179761

The thing with moving is that it tires you out as well. You don't want to move too much, only when you see your opponent doing something.

Larger, heavy fighters will simply wait for an untrained fighter to stop dancing around him, then snap kick them into the ropes. I used to spar regularly against a 350 pound bouncer training in muay thai.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179767

Jab Cross Hook Cross
Jab Cross Uppercut Uppercut
Jab Cross Hook Spinning Backfist
Jab, grab head with jabbing hand, pull into elbow
>> Anonymous
Op- Jab, grab head with jabbing hand, pull into elbow, FOLLOWED by clench and knees :D Got to love clench
>> Anonymous
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Body blow
>> Anonymous
>>179752
A lot of the effectiveness of TKD (not saying there's that much of it) is psychological. When you see that leg spinning up like a tornado, unless you are trained to fight a TKD fighter, it can be damn scary. It's kinda like when a pissed off woman does the windmill in your face, but with much more power behind it.
>> Anonymous
Op- here, good conversing with you all. I'm going too bed to further my training tomorrow. Any person claiming to be me will wake up with their balls detached and will be tea bagging themselves. Continue your conversations well. Osu
>> Anonymous
>>179795
Op here.


*lies in wait.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179794
Anyone trained in any type of martial art can scare the fuck out of an untrained fighter.

But seriously, a high roundhouse kick to the head can be blocked with an arm. Your arm will hurt but the leg will come out worse for the wear.
>> Anonymous
>>179802
Crescent Kick to Face FTW

Ball of foot is engine of destruction!
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179824

Hand up, grab foot at apex of kick. Throw over shoulder.

Or for humor just bend down and start bashing the guy in the nuts over and over with your other hand.
>> Anonymous
>>179826
It can be rather hard to do that sometimes if the kicker is fast and sets up the kick with a good combo.
>> Hammerknife !7ITukp3Pj2
>>179830

Sure. As long as you don't drop your guard it's not hard to grab.

That, or you can duck down and tackle/sweep the leg before he finishes the kick and he's down and out.
>> Anonymous
>>179836
Well the thing is a crescent kick isn't very far from a straight front kick to the face, which really doesn't take long at all to whip out. All it takes is enough explosive speed to get the kick past the person's guard before they can react. And even if they do react, there's a good chance the kick will slip through anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>179615
OP don't waste your time with karate

Boxing for hands.
Muay thai for kicks
Wrestling for sprawls and movement on ground
Judo for takedowns
BJJ for submissions
>> Anonymous
>>179859
>Muay thai for kicks and clinch (knees/elbows)

My bad.
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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Submission Wrestling fag here. I started judo when I was 12 and moved to BJJ and SW when I was 16. I am now 19 years old and i have purple belt with one stripe. I like using simple submissions such as armbar, triangle and RNC.

I have been in a two street fights and in both of them I choked the attacker out. Nothing impressive..

I train BJJ and SW four times a week and I go to gym twice a week. I am 178cm (5"10') and I weigh about 76kg (170lbs). I bench press 120kg (264lbs) and squat 160kg (350lbs).
>> Anonymous
>>179859
Incorrect. Have you ever tried Kyokushin? That shit is hardcore, not like the other flavors...train other things for finesse, train Kyokushin for brute force battery.
>> Anonymous
>>179873
The only advantage I would attribute to Kyokushin is body-hardening.
>> Anonymous
>>179879
So? What's wrong with hard bodies? I like hard bodies. Especially when the hard body in question is mine.
>> Anonymous
>>179880
Nothing wrong with it at all. I'd do it to toughen my body, but no way in hell I'd try to use those fucking punches or kicks. Not that stupid. Boxing and muay thai baby.
>> Anonymous
>>179882
Practically speaking the two arts share a lot of kicks. If anything though a lot of Muai Thai kicks would be more dangerous to use in a real fight because they require you to commit fully and follow through, making you vulnerable if you miss.
>> Anonymous
highscool wrestlefag here.

i got in a bad streetfight earlier this year... I live in new orleans and a guy tried to steal my car. He had a baseball bat, and hit me a few times, but i took most of em to the body or blocked em with my arms just by reflex/luck. dude was a lot bigger than me (i weigh 180 he weighs 230ish.) But he was also clumsy and slow. Just being in better shape over all allowed me to kick his ass. I have no formal sparring training, but i can grapel very well. So basically i did a double leg take down on him, got him on his back, and the proceded to brake his nose by hitting him with the backside of my forearm and my elbow.

I tried to bring the case to court and sue him for assualt, but the judge threw it out because of the medical bill it cost him for the surgery on his nose.
>> Anonymous
he had to have his nose fully reconstructed
>> Anonymous
but thats cause i got the bat towards the end of the fight
>> Anonymous
dude you kind of sound like the hulk, i'm suitably impressed
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>>179883
A. You never start with a kick. You need to either set it up with a combo or use it to finish them off.

B. Follow through. I understand that karate is all about returning to the center and no overextension or whatever...while that is safer, keep in mind you're not using as much force/velocity.

tl;dr You're retarded if you use a kick when you shouldn't. Preference of safety zone or brutality.
>> Anonymous
>>179902
Really the only place Muai Thai kicks sometimes trump kyokushin kicks is the legs, but in a real fight, realistically, nobody kicks people in the legs. IF you are gonna kick them kick them to knock them out or severely injure them, I say; and for that Kyokushin and Muay Thai kicks work equally well, regardless of mechanics differences.
>> Anonymous
>>179904
I much beg to differ, good sir. Inside leg kick is an excellent way to get someone to stumble. Now I could tell you that I know because of experience, but this is the internets. You wouldn't believe that.

Really though, the only useful kick I found in karate with the straight kick with the ball of foot to the shin or kneecap. Quick and painful.

But for heavy hitting on the thighs, midsection, or head, I gotta go with the Muay Thai. It's all about the hips.
>> Anonymous
>>179902
kick to shin = longest weapon (leg), to closest vulnerable target (shin - the ability to stand)
>difference
screaming flying spinning roundhouse kick to the head = ?????
>> Anonymous
>>179906
I'm just saying, if you look at competition matches in Muay Thai and Kyokushin, the incidence rate of knockouts from high kicks is pretty close to the same. What the Kyokushin kicks lose in raw impact they make up for in "oh shit I didn't see that coming" speed.
>> Anonymous
>>179907

see

>>179907

I agree though. Fencing shares the same principles, as well as boxing. A straight line to the nearest target is quicker than a curved path to a further one. It's science. But I say again; set it up or use it to mop them up. I never start with a headkick.
>> Anonymous
>>179912
I have no rebuttal. I'll be honest. I don't watch nearly as much karate as I do muay thai and mma.
>> Anonymous
ive taken some punishing kicks to the leg. A good kick to the thigh that causes a "dead leg" is very effective. used em in fights at school before. Throws the fags balance off bad when theyre hoppin on 1 leg trying to put weight down on the one u just kicked. And it makes it a shit load easier to penetrate a person gaurd when they only have 1 leg.

So the person who said kicks to the leg are useless in a real fight, learn to fight.

Also, if any of you other anons have ever been in a real fight, dont try and be a fag and fight all noble and shit. I got for the face and for the balls when i get in a real fight. Thier is no shame, its win or get ur ass kicked.
>> Anonymous
>>179917
As have I good sir, it happens constantly in Kyokushin (pretty much just as much as in MT.) However, assuming you are fighting some untrained headhunter on the street, he's gonna come in with fists of fury, and taking shots at his legs is going to weaken your guard around your head, where you need it, as well as weaken your balance. Conversely, you can make a quick high kick to keep him at a distance, and save your face from being destroyed, maybe at the price of taking punishment to your leg. It's all a tradeoff, do what you want.
>> Anonymous
>>179922
Nope. For guys like that I go to the clinch and use knees or (if he doesn't have a bunch of friends with him) a guillotine.

Leg kicks happen more often in sparring or if you're squared off against someone who is testing and probing your reactions. For me anyhow.
>> Anonymous
>>179925
Fair enough, to each his own.
>> Anonymous
>>179929
Indeed sir. Good debate.
>> Anonymous
Highschool wrestlefag here. Gonna be a senior next year, weigh 170 right now and placed top 6 in state Div 1 in the 171 pound weight class last year. Ive been in like 3 real fights my whole life, and in the last 1 i took the kid down. locked him up with a ball and chain with my left arm, and proceeded to just hit him and kick him in the balls with my other free limbs until the fight got broken up by the PE coaches. This worked very well for me in that fight lol, knowing how to wrestle and control people on the ground can make fighting very fun if you ever end up on top in a fight of someone who is just kickin n thrashing.