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Anonymous
hey /fit/, transsexual here. Not on hormones yet, but I really need a good exercise and nutrition plan for myself. So, uhh...some information on me I guess? =]

height: 6'1
weight: 140 lbs
waist: 27 inches
hips: 36 inches
bust: no breasts, 32 1/2 inches
wrist: 6 inches
neck: 12 1/2 inches
shoulder width: ~37 inches
foot size: 10 1/2 or 11 (womens)

since Im not on HRT yet I have a really small boyish ass and small thighs so anything that could help me in those areas would be much appreciated.

I went kind of all-out, but there you go I guess. lol
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>> Anonymous
Get on a diet plan rich in lead, you're still on 4chan fruitfreak.
>> Anonymous
Post pics of yourself.
>> Anonymous
Wow man you are worse than a faggot. Enjoy being trash.
>> Anonymous
Back squat
front squat
romanian deadlift
glute ham raise
ham string curls
good mornings
if you want to be a girl, i would advise against building up the upper traps, so dont do conventional deadlifts, bascially dont do anything where you are holding on to heavy ass weight. but having the load on your upper back is fine.

avoid training obliques, as this reduces your hourglass shape
>> Anonymous
>>166882
how fitting that such a trashy person would call me trash.

>>166883
I should have clarified, I don't mean like weight training or anything...no offense, but that's just too far and too much for me. would cardio be a good idea?
>> Anonymous
Please die.
>> Anonymous
>>166895
please fuck off.
>> Anonymous
Bull fucking shit. Your body fat is, supposedly, around 6.6%. Stay the fuck away from cardio. Since you're technically male that's still in the range of "healthiness," but if you want to be female you're going to need to get some fat on you or else you will look like an anorexic piece of shit.

Fuck cardio, do a little weight training and bulking maybe.

Either that you're just lieing about your measurements.
>> Anonymous
obviously, you're not going to get much help here. But i'll try even though i'm just a novice at working out myself.

Based on your previous post, you're not looking to bulk up any area of yourself. So i'm just guessing that you want to do cardio? I run a mile a day and so far i would say i'm getting descent results.
Nutrition wise, i can't help. I don't know enough about proper eating habits, I'm still trying to get used to the 5- 7 small meals a day thing.

hoped it helped somewhat

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humanity on your /fit/
>> Anonymous
Cardio won't make you grow a vagina. Get the fuck out.
>> Anonymous
>>166903

Isn't there a support group your kind can go to? Coming here an announcing you are a preop tranny is like cutting yourself up and jumping into a tank of hungry sharks.
>> Anonymous
Go to 420chan, seriously. They have a /cd/.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>166904
yeah, I do need to gain weight, but I honestly need to gain fat more than I do muscle as far as passing is concerned. not around my midsection, Im happy with that, but my arms are really skinny, which is fine except I have knobby elbows and wrist bones and the lack of fat makes my veins more prominent than I would like.

hormones will help with the weight stuff some, they make it easier to gain weight (I have a high metabolism atm, so its hard for me to gain much without losing it immediately)

My rear and thighs are skinnier than they should be for the sake of passing.

not lying about my measurements, btw. I took them as I posted them in fact (except for the ones I already knew, weight and height and everything)

>>166908
Ill stay, thanks. Im used to people like you, couldnt you PLEASE atleast make an original insult or something? Ive come to terms with myself as a transsexual, I know what I am and am not and what surgery and hormones can and cannot do. Dont talk down to me like Im some imbecile.

>>166910
Im not that worried about the people that will attack me here, its just the internet. I would rather get some real help from people who know what they are talking about (read: not /b/) and a bunch of standard insults than a bunch of praising and fapping with people lying to me about how "good" I look. I can pass decently for being pre-hormones, but fuck no I dont think I'm attractive.
>> Anonymous
Mmm... /fit/ is usually against steroids and other hormones.

You are going to use hormones.
For simple logic, you need to get bashed about how what are you doing is going to ruin your life.
>> Anonymous
>>166915
I post in /cd/, actually, but theyre really not that helpful for this kind of stuff.

>>166916
I look really similar to her, actually. Im taller and skinnier obviously. combine OP picture and her and add height and youve pretty much got me in a nutshell. I wish I had an ass like that though x_x
>> Nephanim
>>166933
>its just the internet.

It figures, I finally find someone with a shred of common sense AND nice measurements on here and it turns out she has a cock.
>> Anonymous
>>166933
>Dont talk down to me like Im some imbecile.
>I'm stupider than shit but I want to be treated like I'm not!
hum...
>> Anonymous
>>166955
IT has a cock, for now...
>> Anonymous
/fit/ is half about health.

For the sake of health, I just simply have to advise you to:

Do cardio
Do train with weights
Do eat a healthy, balanced diet. No pigging out to gain fat around your thighs and ass, you're just hurting yourself.
and DO NOT take hormones.
>> Anonymous
>I have a really small boyish ass and small thighs

This is likely due to the fact you are a boy.
>> Anonymous
>>166943
steroids and hormone abuse arent the same thing as hrt...

I say Im transsexual because people know what that means, Im not a guy that decided to be a girl really though...Im intersexed, I still need more blood work done to know more about my condition, but I have XX male syndrome which basically means that I have two X chromosomes even though Im physically male. HRT is corrective, androgen antagonists will prevent testosterone and further masculinization and estrogen is taken to replace the androgens with female hormones. this will mean weight redistribution (towards the areas I want to work on mostly, but I still think its a good idea to do something myself), skin changes, hair changes, and cause breast growth (which unfortunately was the only symptom of XX I dont have; gynecomastia)
>> Anonymous
>>166968
no shit...
>> Anonymous
When will you be sucking cock for money? I mean for such a small percentage of the population, there sure is a lot of tranny porn.

Also, you'll look like most of those cracked out tranny porn bitches if you dont put on atleast a bit of weight, need to get it perfect. Enough to hide your frame somewhat, but no fatties please.
>> Anonymous
>>166972
What is different from a man taking testosterone for muscle development and a woman taking testosterone to try to become a man?
Aren't they looking for a certain physic?
Why is so frowned then to take steroids?
>> Anonymous
>>166979
I always wonder what is the percentage of Brazilian and Thai transexuals...
>> Anonymous
>>166980
Who said a man taking testosterone was a good thing?

The Olympic Committee has a ban on it.
>> Anonymous
>>166980
cisgendered men can achieve those affects without it, transmen cannot.
>> Anonymous
>>166989
xbox heug
>> Anonymous
>>166991
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28female-to-male%29

Again, a female bodybuilder is frowned for taking testosterone, but a transmen not?
Why? The too want to achieve a certain look
People say bodybuilders should be naturel, hell I want the same treatment for transgenders, no hormones
>> Anonymous
this thread is bad and you should feel bad
>> Anonymous
>>166958

>Dont talk down to me like Im some imbecile.
>I'm stupider than shit but I want to be treated like I'm not!

Already as irrational and poor at thinking as a woman. Good job on that, bro.
>> Anonymous
>>166999
Because one of them doesn't actually need testosterone to lead a reasonably happy life.
>> Anonymous
>>166999
thats so fucking stupid...
body builders use hormones as a cheap ticket to bigger muscles, they don't have a psychological or birth disorder (spare the bullshit where you say "what if they did?" or something; there isn't any disorder recognized like that. Only the most behind-the-times psychologists and physicians still deny that transsexuality and intersexuality are naturally occuring psychological and physical disorders in people)

Transsexuals are likely to suffer from very clinical depression and equally likely to commit suicide without treatment, testosterone in MTFs actually has been noted to cause emotional discomfort and depression. Body builders aren't going to fall into a deep depression over having to work out on their own.

I don't get why you're even arguing this, HRT is not the same thing as testosterone abuse. There are people that are on FTM HRT that DO abuse testosterone by taking too high of a dosage and they are in the same category as cisgendered male bodybuilders who take it. FTMs take T to grow body hair and change their body composition, cisgendered men already have that and take it to build muscles. Different thing.
>> Anonymous
>>166999
another thing, women can take hormones to help with pms and periods and shit, but men taking AAS to improve their libido and energy get criticised?

double standards here guys
>> Anonymous
>>167020

technically most pro bodybuilders start taking steroids after 10 years of training when they have squeezed every last ounce of potential out of their genetics and bodies.

of course some guido will take it right away so he can be big and jacked but still binge drink on weekends, take extacy, eat like shit, and not try in the gym.
>> Anonymous
>>167020

No, but trannies are freaks of nature and deserved to be treated as such.
>> Anonymous
>>167022
you're fucking stupid...
women generally take hormones to help with PMS because they have excessive bleeding which, if you can't think, is extremely DANGEROUS. I have known women who come close to bleeding out during menstruation, they NEED medication. Trying to increase your libido and "energy" using hormones is excessive.
>> Anonymous
>>166868

OP, I'm not against what you're doing, but this wasn't the best forum to bring up something this serious to you that is also considered taboo by the ignorant masses.

I'm not even going to explain it a lot, but I'll just say I'm a lot like you and I'm on slightly less-than-legal anti-androgens and estrogens that I got from overseas. You're going to have fun growing your boobs when you get your hormones.

Anyway, you pretty much have an overly thin body for your height. I'd say you'll want to do very very light muscle training for now and mild cardio, and don't eat too much yet. If you start gaining fat without your hormones, it's going to be going right to your tummy and you DON'T want that. Here's the deal: within a year of being on hormones, you're going to be getting flab in your upper arms, ass and thighs, and I'm sure you already knew this. That's why I'm recommending building up muscle in those areas now with a mixture of squats, lunges, jogging, push ups, upper arm free weight exercises. It would be a good idea to strength those muscles now so when hormones start depositing fat there, it won't just be flabby.

Also, keep in mind hormones will make it about three times more difficult to gain muscle and lose fat. Welcome to womanhood. That's why I highly advise preparing ahead of time. Don't worry about looking overly masculine or anything...if you're this thin already you won't exactly build manly looking muscles over night.

Well, good luck. I'm slightly shorter than you and my goals involving getting thinner because my hormones really kicked in and gave me too much fat within about six months. Just keep in mind you really need to anticipate how hormones are going to affect your body...a lot of the feminine features will come imperceptibly and since you aren't on hormones at the moment, exercise will only do so much to fill you out.
>> Anonymous
>>167037

continued

As for diet, get a lot of seafood, avoid cholesterol (it can boost testosterone levels), avoid red meat, don't get too much protein, eat a lot of whole grains/fiber and other healthy carbs. Drink nothing but water.

And if you have a junk email or something that you're not afraid to post on 4chan, I wouldn't mind getting in touch and supporting you. Could always use another friend like me. =) Good luck!
>> Anonymous
>>166933

Don't do squats. Do barbell step-ups. Not only is the form ridiculously easy to learn (compared to the flexiblity and crap required by squats), it works pretty much the same muscles, is great for toning up your ass, and since you typically have more time with the barbell on your back per set (since you have to do 5 for each leg) it works your arms more than squats do as well.

That'll give you some more muscle that you might as well get (some muscle is good, especially if your arms are knobbly weak), since it doesn't hurt to add some strength. With a good bulking diet (90% clean food), you'll be set.

I disagree with those who say you should be held to bodybuilder standards with hormones. You're not trying to compete and say you're the most feminine looking man ever. You just want to be happy with yourself. Go ahead with the estrogen replacement or whatever since that'll help.
>> Anonymous
>>167029
a lot of people would say the same about bodybuilders...

OKAY, I'm intersexed. Most people are born male or female, I was born one physically and the other chromosomally and psychologically. I'm a rare case, most people aren't like me, I'm different, I'm a freak of nature. Sure. I can accept that.

Why can't you accept that I'm a freak of nature as well as a human being? I have every right to be as happy with myself as you do, I have psychologists and physicians backing me on my condition and decision to transition; who the fuck are you to act like you know any better?
>> Anonymous
>>167044

Because I'm not a freak of nature.
>> PetBot
>>167036
lol this is not true.
>> Anonymous
>>167020
Let me ask you a question then...
What is the difference between a transmen lifting weights and a female bodybuilder taking steroids?

And no, people can feel insecure about their physic, it's called vigorexia, but they are said to overcome it, and transexuals go for the easy route
>> Anonymous
>>167050
not liking your body is not the same thing as being uncomfortable IN your body and sex. Go look the shit up...the credible portions of the medical and psychological fields recognize it, why can't you?

>>167047
not for all women who take them, no, but if a woman is prescribed hormones for PMS, it's likely due to excessive bleeding. Go read up on menstrual problems.
>> Anonymous
>>167020
>FTMs take T to grow body hair and change their body composition, cisgendered men already have that and take it to build muscles. Different thing
No, it's actually the same. Building muscle is changing your body composition, they do the same thing
>> Anonymous
>>167050

Shhh.
>> Anonymous
>>167059
>not liking your body is not the same thing as being uncomfortable IN your body and sex
Yes, it's the same thing. But they are not frowned of taking steroids.
>> Anonymous
>>167060
you really are a joke...

T effects on Transmen: Deepening of voice, coarsening of skin, facial hair growth, body hair growth

Cismen, who have obviously had T naturally, already have gone through this in puberty. HRT for a transsexual is a second puberty as their "chosen" sex, not an excuse to try and build more muscle.
>> Anonymous
>>167064
Oh gtfo troll.
>> Anonymous
>>167064

Again, transgendered people taking hormones is to be who they want to be, without regard to whatever anyone else thinks. A bodybuilder taking hormones is trying to get bigger and stronger than he naturally is, but it's assumed it's either for competition or out of laziness.

There's no other route to become more female than taking hormones. There are other routes to getting bigger and stronger (namely, hard work) than taking hormones.
>> Anonymous
>>167070
Again you say taking testosterone is not bad then?
Why is bad for building muscle? Because you have an obsession with cheating?
You know a transmen is never going to grow a penis, they are only changing their body composition (gaining muscle) with that horrible hormone you hate so much.

What if a testosterone treatment for vigorexia is available in the future?
>> Anonymous
>>167073
>Again, transgendered people taking hormones is to be who they want to be, without regard to whatever anyone else thinks
You can say the same for bodybuilders

>A bodybuilder taking hormones is trying to get bigger and stronger than he naturally is
A transmen is trying to become something he naturally isn't
>> Anonymous
>>167064
Prove it's the same thing, that vigorexia and transsexuality are the same thing, and I'll gladly agree with you. But just fucking prove it instead of saying "uh-huh, yes it is"

Vigorexia stems from other psychological disorders, it's not the root problem. Transsexuality is a disorder that tends to CAUSE other disorders (depression, a specific variation of vigorexia, disassociate behavior, unwillingness to socialize)

Vigorexia itself can be cured, transsexuality can not be cured but only treated. Look up some statistics on it, the United Kingdom used to have a program to try and help "cure" transsexuals. It had a 0% success rate with no known individuals leaving the therapy happy as their birth sex and something like a 20% suicide rate in its patients.

I never understood why people like you who clearly don't understand what they're talking about attempting to tell everyone "how it is". You don't know what you're talking about, you have GOT to know this and you're really just being a pompous asshole.
>> Anonymous
SAGE FOR CONFUSING MY GENITALIA.

GOD DAMNIT INTERNET.
>> Anonymous
>>167079
>A transmen is trying to become something he naturally isn't
No see, they are trying to become something they already are in a way.
>> Anonymous
>>167078

He's saying there is a different between what transmen and biological men do with their hormones.

A) Transmen take much lower doses of hormones.

B) Transmen REPLACE their estrogen with androgens, they're not adding fuckloads more testosterone on top of a body that's ALREADY filled with testosterone.

Transmen are simply taking drugs that make their physical body think it is biologically male. Biological men take drugs to basically make it so they're two men at once. Big difference.
>> Anonymous
>>167080
I don't have nothing against transexuals.I'm against asshole who think taking steroid for the purpose of bodybuilding is wrong.
Hell I'm again any kind of government control of drugs
>> Anonymous !emLLE3/JNM
ITT: an internet savvy shemale argues with a butthurt body builder raging that his testosterone dealer got shut down.
>> Anonymous
>>167079

Way to miss the point of my point and quote me out of context. Congratulations, you've mastered Arguing on the Internet 101. Some day you'll move up to 201, which focuses on learning how to respond to someone's actual points with an actual argument.
>> Anonymous
>>167083
They are using steroids for the same reason bodybuilders do, they do it to change their bodies.
If they are in a way, why not leave it there? Why use hormones?
>> Anonymous
>>167087
Insulting. Can't you debate or are you afraid that some of my points might be truth and Jay Cutler is not as bad as you think he is
>> Anonymous
Help, I'm stuck in an endless loop.
>> Anonymous
>>167097

Oh I see, you're trying to argue that bodybuilders taking hormones is okay? I thought you were trying to argue that transgendered people (or whatever the proper term) taking them was wrong.

If you're going for the first point, take it to another thread, since it's completley fucking irrelevant. Personally, by the way, I think it's fine as long as it's not for competition purposes, but when it comes to competiting people should be all natural.

If your point of arguing is the latter, however, you're a douchebag. :/
>> Anonymous
Sorry your thread got so messed up, OP. You probably got scared away by now, but if you didn't...I'm that "other" transwoman who tried to give you some tips. Still wouldn't mind trying to actually help you on AIM or something if you're still here.

Don't let these idiots bring you down please :(
>> Anonymous
Also, I'm fucking confused who's replying to whom now.
>> Anonymous
this argument requires a maturity that cannot be found on 4chan
>> Anonymous
>>167085
then why are you honestly arguing with me telling me that HRT is "wrong" for either me or a transman? What do you gain from that other than selfish pride or something? I never said I agree with drug control either but HRT and testosterone used for body building is NOT THE SAME THING. Trying to compare the two is even downright offensive to me, and I won't be taking T so I dont see why that came into the discussion anyway. Testosterone is scheduled, isn't it? Because MTF HRT, what I will be on, isn't NEARLY as regulated because it isn't NEARLY as dangerous to me or other people. Testosterone when used in excess can cause violence, estrogen doesn't. The emotional changes from estrogen are more the opposite of that, and its the physical changes that I need to be able to pass and be reasonably happy with myself. I never said I _wanted_ to be trans or intersexed, in fact I spent 15 years trying to pretend I wasnt before I finally tried to get help (Im 18) but ignoring it and trying to get over it didnt and never does work. there's something wrong with me on a chromosomal and psychological plane and as much as I wish otherwise, I cant change that and can only do my best to treat it without going insane from it. You have no idea how depressing it is to wake up in the middle of the night feeling like shit because your mind and body are not in congruence, I would never CHOOSE this for myself or even my enemies, but ignoring it does me no good and only turns me into a bitter, lifeless shell of a person. I was like that until I was 15 or 16 and I really don't want to be like that ever again.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Fags v Freak of Nature
>> Anonymous
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fucking kill yourself, you fruitcake fucking faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>167103
Im still here. The really long posts have been me, lol.

I never give out my email here because I dont feel like getting spammed, but I get on AIM sometimes.
>> Anonymous
>>167112
Im sorry you can't be comfortable with the idea of someone you'll likely never meet being happy with herself. Follow your own steps.

and inb4 >>HIMSELF
>> Anonymous
>>167118

Um, that's fine. I was just wondering if you had a junk email or something that we could exchange AIM names on for privacy purposes.

A lot of my trans friends are made in threads like this on the various chan sites. Doesn't hurt to stick together and share tips.

By the way, how old are you and how soon until you get approved for your hormones? I have a very bigoted family and couldn't afford to wait through therapy (though I AM in it and my doctor knows I bought my hormones overseas), so I just got mine on my own terms.
>> Anonymous
>>167101
I using testosterone should not be a crime.
However, if the Olympics or whoever wants to ban any substance it's their fucking problem. If someone says its federation is ok with drugs, there shouldn't be a problem.

I use the transexuals case because I think it shows the hypocrisy of people.
The same about people against pot but are ok with alcohol.
>> Anonymous
>>167119
You'll never be happy
>> Anonymous
>>167122

Then I agree with you completley, but I think this was the wrong venue to bring it up. :/
>> Anonymous
>>167120
Im 18, you may actually know me or know of me if you are on the chans a lot, especially the more trans oriented boards on other sites, Im kind of a regular poster.
>> Anonymous
>>167122

Well, have you ever seen 30 Days? They had an episode where a guy was legally given all sorts of male growth hormones to prevent aging and some other problems. This was in the US and it was all completely legal, it was the same drugs most athletes abuse.

I agree, they can be safe...ish if properly prescribed and monitored by a doctor. It's just the whole science behind adding testosterone to a body already full of it pretty much says nothing but bad things will happen. It's different for transsexuals, because they're REPLACING their current hormones with male or female hormones, not adding more to the fire.
>> Anonymous
>>167122

no. fucking. shit. but people here are too childish and ignorant about steroids to allowed this
>> Anonymous
>>167127

I usually don't go to 420chan, I mostly stay on chansluts, but chansluts is so slow sometimes. Do you post with a name or anything?

Also, I hope you start hormones ASAP. I didn't start until 21 (still 21 now) and I am just kind of lucky that I already had a very severe testosterone deficiency my entire life. I suspect I was physically born intersexed and just given testosterone as a baby because my parents wanted a boy, but I've never worked up the courage to bring this up to my mom and dad.
>> Anonymous
>>167128
Nah it's actually worst.
Doing it with care, a few cycles in your life won't bring you any problem (and can make your penis grow)
>> Anonymous
>>167134
if youre on either of those sites, then you probably already know me lol.
>> Anonymous
>>167129
In a perfect world testosterone would be sold freely to any adult over 21.
Yes I agree that some kids should never be near roids.
I've never been, but plan to do it as soon as I get into my 30's and still train.
>> Anonymous
>>167140

Probably, I'm just curious as to who you are specifically.

Anyway, I need to be sleeping soon. Hope everything works out for you.
>> Anonymous
>>167142
true, if steroids were as bad as people say they are there would be many more dead bodies and health problems.

thousands of men take steroids responsibly and safely every day. this includes proper dosage, diet, training, and PCT, which will negate pretty much every bad side effect.

would i take steroids? no. i dont need to, im still getting stronger and i havn't each my limit whatsoever. maybe when im in my late 40s, starting to decline, losing energy lower sex drive etc. ill start taking steroids. look at sylvester stallone. guy is fucking 62 and hes in amazing shape
>> Anonymous
no
>> Anonymous
gross
>> Anonymous
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this thread needs more hot tranny messes
>> PetBot
>>167226
who?
>> Anonymous
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You do know being a girl is way more fun then staying as a guy. Why? well you might be one of those people who fail as a guy and would do better as a female.
>> Anonymous
>>167235
pretty sure only girls know what it's "like" to be a girl; altering your body doesn't make you one, sorry
>> Anonymous
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>>167243
It doesn't make you one unless you tell. So if you got your male parts removed and then you get the female parts of a bimbo. Then you would be female cuz no guy is going to care when they are stuffing there cock in your pussy waiting to get a nice hot juicy load in your new womb of infertile chances.
>> Anonymous
>>167235
>>167252
fuck this trash...Im transsexual, not a transformation fetishist or something.
>> Anonymous
all i know is i would fuck the shit out of the OP dick or not, post more pics
>> Free Pepsi !!iXxa+hO94Mg
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A fitness plan for a transsexual. Pic related.

Also, who is that girl in OP's image
>> Anonymous
this thread rules. /fit/ regulars are revealed for the worthless jocky pieces of shit they are
>> Anonymous
You'd probably benefit from a good bodyweight/isometric routine. The reason being, you're planning on making major changes to your body, and you want a routine that familiarizes you with that body, and has a certain margin for error. Here's one of the best I've found:
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/229/
You'll probably want to add lunges or SQUATZ and stretching as well, though. Ask around, see if you can find a local yoga class or something, find what works and keep at it!
>> Free Pepsi !!iXxa+hO94Mg
Don't really know what people have against /fit/. I'm going to go out on a limb and think it's those same three fat faggots from /ck/ who would eat donkey shit if there was enough sugar added.

/ck/ and it's fatasses basically have the worst of both worlds. If you spoil yourself might as well eat good food, that'd make sense. Nope, you fags devote 11 threads to Costco's hotdogs, chocolate, soda, cheese from a can and basically all cheap junkfood that requires little effort to prepare.

Lazy fucks
>> Anonymous
>>167243

No. Transsexualism is a condition in which you've identified opposite of your physical sex since as early as you can remember. Transwomen have always known they were women, just in the wrong body. There's a lot of evidence to support that some fetuses go through a lot of problems transitioning from XX to XY (since we're all initially XX fetuses when conceived, this is an argument as to why there are more transwomen than there are transmen) and end up mentally or physically intersexed or both.

You can't really talk if you don't know what it's like to be a female brain in the wrong body.
>> Anonymous
OP, I would just wait and see what happens post op and with hormones. After surgical removal of testes, likely, your lack of testosterone will take away a lot of muscularity/male characteristics in a short period of time, then with female hormones, you will likely gain that roundedness that you seek. good luck.
>> Anonymous
>>167350

Well, transwomen take testosterone blockers before genital surgery. After surgery, they stop the anti-androgens usually. So it's basically the same effect before and after surgery.

Also, unless OP is rich as fuck, complete trans surgery won't be finished until she's like 30. Most transwomen end up spending close to 100,000 dollars on all the required surgery unless they got started on hormones when they were like six years old, which generally isn't the case.

I only know this because I saw a documentary about it on Discovery Health. They said the average transwoman requires facial reconstruction (forehead, nose, cheeks, chin/jaw, adam's apple covering), breast augmentation because hormones alone usually only give them a small B cup, voice therapy sessions and sometimes surgery on the vocal chords, genital surgery, they also often get lipo from certain areas of the stomach because biological men, even when on hormones, have trouble mimicking a feminine core with exercise and diet alone. And there's a lot of regulations and taxes on this kind of shit and it's not considered tax deductable by the IRS because they view it as cosmetic surgery. The thing I watched said a lot of them go to Canada for their surgeries to avoid US regulations and shit, but they generally end up spending a fuckton on surgeries.

So, if OP intends to do the complete routine, she better have a rich family or a get an amazing job.
>> Anonymous
>>167355
I didnt notice the part where she said she was taking blockers. true enough if that is the case, but I would think that just taking the blockers may not be as effective as the point of no return, if you get my meaning.

to solve the money problem, i guess they do it in thailand for 1/4 the price.
>> Anonymous
>>167364

From what I've heard, they've got some really powerful anti-androgen drugs these days. Generally, if a transwoman gets approved for hormone therapy, they get estrogens at about 4mg per day and anti-androgens at about 50mg per day or they get much larger doses that are injected with a syringe but are only taken bi-monthly.

And, yeah, Thailand is supposed to be a good place to go for transsexuals, but they also don't have many safety regulations there and it may be hit or miss on whether or not you get a skilled surgeon.
>> deleted
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- OP PLEASE TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS POST

Okey i wrote in caps just so you would notice, cause there is just too much spam here...

You are really a very rare case.
Genetically you are a WOMAN (that's for all the trolls here), but due to the high production of androgens in your adrenal glands, your body looks like a man.

OP IS A WOMAN that looks like a man. XX chromosomes - that is a woman.

Your parents really messed up by not doing anything when you were little.

Go to Endocrinologist, explain the case. You will be taking Estrogens and your body Will look more feminen.

Do not change your diet to get more fat, hormones will do their work.
Carbs 350, Protein 120, Fat 80 (55g-vegetable oil, 25g - animal fat)

Work out: train your chest muscles and thighs. Try not to train shoulders, arms.
Light training on abdomen

OP i really hope you will read this

-med

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>> Anonymous
>>167406
so wait does "it" have a penis? Or does "it" just have a masculine build.
>> Anonymous
>>167423

He's trying to say OP is a male body with XX chromosomes and it turned male because of a birth defect that caused too much testosterone production and ended up developing male genitals and traits. I don't generally believe this at all, but whatever.

I do believe that transsexuals can have the mind of a female and be in a male or vice versa. I also believe that it's possible to be born so intersexed that you just BARELY become a male, but you grow up as a highly confused male who identifies more as female and has a serious lack of male hormones. It's also possible to be "traditionally" intersexed in which you come up with both or very blurred genitals and they surgically change you and pump you up with certain hormones to assign your gender...this has happened sometimes and it usually led to the person's suicide because they grew up extremely sexually confused. I don't believe a male body can actually have XX chromosomes though and I've not once heard of this.
>> deleted
>>167433
well then, go to medical school ) ive just finished 4th year.
In our genetics class there was a topic about this. and it can happen both ways
XY - female
XX - male

it IS VERY rare, and im kind of excited to actualy "see" a person with this syndrom

You should refer to her as HER, because she is a woman.

Ignorant parents is another matter... and i guess in america it is really expensive to treat those people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

-med
>> Anonymous
>>167468well then, go to medical school ) ive just finished 4th year.


please die
>> Anonymous
>>167468
it has one source...from the 70s.
>> Anonymous
>>167468

I didn't once refer to OP as male. Apparently they don't teach you how to read in your elite medschool.

And it doesn't matter what chromosomes the person has or what physical genitals/body features they have. It matters how they identify sexually and socially as a certain gender. By your logic, an XY human with female sexual traits should be called a man, which is purely wrong if she identifies and views herself as a female.

The only thing that matters in cases of gender dysphoria and transsexualism is how the person personally identifies. It's their life.
>> deleted
>>167472
it was REGISTERED in 1972 as a separate syndrome, not just one case...
>> Anonymous
>>167472

BUT HE CLAIMED ONLINE IN TOTAL ANONYMITY THAT HE FINISHED HIS FOURTH YEAR OF MED SCHOOL

MIGHT AS WELL BE THE SURGEON FUCKIN GENERAL
>> deleted
>>167474
Sorry got mixed up with another poster that said IT

isn't it obvious that OP identifies her self as a woman?
>> deleted
>>167477
not surgeon ) i want to be endocrinologist

-med
>> Anonymous
>>167474By your logic, an XY human with female sexual traits should be called a man, which is purely wrong if she identifies and views herself as a female.


Those people are not in the best place mentally have body images issues and need to be heavly medicated.
med
>> Anonymous
>>167478

Yes, yes it is obvious. And, despite not being related to anything in any medical field, I solely believe the only thing that matters is how they see themselves.

I mean, shit, I wouldn't care if a furry wanted surgery to look more like a tiger. If that's what you want, nobody has the right to deny you what will make you happy. Or, fuck, if surgery existed to turn white people into Asians and some weeaboo wanted it, I'd have no problem with that, either.

Of course, it's hard to understand this for people who don't go through it. I don't know if I'm exactly like the OP and the other person saying she was trans in this thread, but I've been sexually confused most of my life and I'm still sorting it out with a lot of therapy, so I definitely understand that if someone viewed themselves as the gender opposite what they were physically born as, then they should be able to freely get all the help required to fix that problem.
>> Anonymous
Pics or it didn't happen.
>> Anonymous
>>167355
I really am not going to need that much surgery because of my age. Im starting HRT before I turn 19, and physically I'm already androgynous enough that I can pass relatively well. I have a really slender face and naturally feminine eyes (shape and set) so Im not too terribly worried about that, the only facial stuff I MAY end up doing is work on my nose and brow ridge, but neither of those is a huge problem.

other than that I need slight electrolosis on my face. I doubt I will get breast implants unless I dont make it to a B cup
>> Anonymous
>>167433
It's XX male syndrome, it's rare but there are plenty of cases to support it. OP appears to be one of those cases.
>> Anonymous
>>167833
Have you ever considered the fact that you're just a pathetic fag?
>> Anonymous
>>168305
have you ever considered that I just might know more about myself than you do? Or that my doctors might know more about me than you do?

But for the record, I'm bisexual. I do tend to be more attracted to men though.
>> Anonymous
>>167020

>Transsexuals are likely to suffer from very clinical depression and *equally likely to commit suicide without treatment*

Hence, why they should not be treated.
>> Anonymous
OP, good for you for getting treatment. Ignore the ignorant cockmongling shithead, and applaud those who DO actually help. You have been so far from what I've seen, but best to say it again :)

Now here is my advice: Simple cardio, such as jogging or even brisk walking, 3-4 times a week. Also, rathering then bodybuilding, try exercises that focus on stretching and toning, such as Yoga and Pilates. Bellydancing is also VERY GOOD exercise, and cincorporates all of the above elements. These exercises did wonders for my partner when she first began the transition.

Stay strong, and best of luck!
>> Anonymous
you need to get shorter if you wanna be a girl. Also, just get on hormones and shave...stuff.
>> Anonymous
Why don't you simply try to be happy with who and what you really are, instead of freaking out over your personal appearance because you don't have the sexual organs you WISH you could have?

Yes I used to be tranny, and yes it is something people CAN grow out of. I realized how stupid and shallow it was to think about cutting myself apart just to be arranged differently and snapped the fuck out of it.

What I am is a bisexual female. What I wanted to be or thought I was, was male. I'm much happier to have realized I simply am what I am. Snap out of it. Now.
>> Anonymous
>>168360
Id give anything to be shorter, thats impossible to do though.
>> Anonymous
>>168372
then you weren't really transsexual. Don't try and force your own experiences on someone else that they don't fit.

Read the thread. OP is an MTF transsexual and has been seeing doctors for it, and also is intersexed. She isn't just mentally female, she is biologically female. She has two X chromosomes, like you, not an X and a Y like I do. That makes it both a psychological disorder and a physical and genetic disorder.

I don't understand XX male syndrome perfectly but what I know about it is that it basically means that in the womb her body didn't develop correctly, her body was expose to testosterone when it shouldn't have been and the second X chromosome never shed its leg to become a Y. So in effect she's female on a genetic level and has the brain of a woman, but her body is male.
>> Anonymous
dude, a dude i knew in high school was a tranny, and he got this surgery where they changed the bones in his face and now he looks exactly like a girl. He was a skinny/short fucker though. now shes getting married to some guy who works at autozone.
>> Anonymous
>>168320

No straight guy is going to go near you. Best you're going to get is a horny 40 year old with a sick fetish to fuck a tranny, or someone more pathetic than yourself that will settle for the lowest form of a human for a partner.

Maybe instead of convincing yourself that you are "a woman trapped in a mans body" and that your fantasy will be a reality when you go under the knife, you could actually look at the grim reality that there is a very high likelyhood you will never have a stable relationship and will die alone. It's a mental illness, nothing more. Get over it you fag.
>> Anonymous
>>168411
yeah, since a mental illness can cause my actual sex chromosomes to change, right?

Im not just transsexual, Im intersexed. I have female sex chromosomes. Read the fucking thread.

And fyi, I have a boyfriend, thanks.
>> Anonymous
>>168393
"you werent really"

So basically the only reason standing is that I didn't go under knife. Pretty stupid defense "honey".
>> Anonymous
>>168415
that wasn't me, but is it really a bad defense? Think about it...

You thought you were transsexual. You realized you weren't and didn't go through with it because you realized that you wouldn't be happy afterwards. Other people go through it with very little doubt and are completely happy with their decisions. You might be transgendered to a degree and have some kind of gender dysphoria, but you weren't a true transsexual or the idea of not acting on it would have been too much for you. I'm different, and staying the way I am isn't comfortable to me and treating this makes me happier with myself as a person.

Why can't you just accept that you don't always have an answer for everything and that you not being trans does NOT mean that everyone who says they are trans is just "confused"?
>> Anonymous
>>168413

You want to change from male to female. Its an extreme mental illness and you should be sectioned. Other than that, you are a fag, so your mental state is beyond repair. I'd say please kill yourself, but you're going to have a much worse life when you realise you completely fucked your body up in the next 5 years and regret every single second of it. So i think thats alot funnier, so by all means GO FOR IT OP!
>> lolpenis !Sb/6pgknXw
>>168429
0/10

XX Male Syndrome is a fucking GENETIC disorder and a DEVELOPMENTAL disorder. You could say that transsexuality itself is a mental disorder, even though most comtemporary psychologists feel that it being labelled that is no longer an accurate label, but intersexuality (XX male syndrome, for instance) is a physical disorder. You can't "imagine" yourself to having fucked up chromosomes.

If anyone needs to be sectioned it's you.
>> Anonymous
>>168443

"XX Male Syndrome" - Made up illness as an excuse for fags to get their way.
>> Anonymous
OP posted here ago and I told him he has Klinefelter's and needs to get testosterone therapy. Perhaps it still isn't too late. YOU DO NEED HORMONE THERAPY OP, BUT A TESTOSTERONE ONE
>> Anonymous
>>168423
read through the lines a little harder faggot.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>168460
You don't treat MTF transsexuals with testosterone...that's just asking for a suicide attempt.

OP; you sound a lot like my friend, just a little taller and as far as I know she doesn't have XX or anything. I can't really help with exercise suggestions because I'm a /fa/whore, and everyone knows that we're the anti-fitness, but I just wanted to say that I support what you're doing.

>>168456
How could that be a made up illness? Do you even know what XX and XY mean? They're sex chromosomes, it shows up in blood tests. I don't think you can "fake" a blood test result.
>> Anonymous
OP here - I'm a fag.
>> Anonymous
/fit/ - uneducated jocks
>> Sponge !!5qxfxHYSQxJ
>>166868

you're just gonna be a mutilated male, not a female.
>> Anonymous
Protip: You're too tall to be an attractive tranny.

Also, burn in hell you mongrel heathen.
>> sage !i/euDJmWr2
>>168570
Not really. I'm taller than her (6'2) and I'm a genetic woman. I cant say how attractive she will or will not be, but there are plenty of women that are tall.

Bad example because she's ugly as sin, but Ann Coulter is 6'4 with her crappy posture, if she stood up straight then she'd probably be like 6'6
>> Sponge !!5qxfxHYSQxJ
>>168572

ugly ugly ugly
>> Anonymous
>>168572

Ann Coulter is not as ugly as sin, just cruel and arrogant-looking. I jizz buckets fantasizing all the time about her dominating and abusing me.

I'm a liberal, politically speaking, btw.
>> Sponge !!5qxfxHYSQxJ
>>168585

ugly ugly ugly
>> Anonymous
WTF men cant have FEMALE chromosomes.
>> moot !Ep8ui8Vw2 ## ?dmin   
I am Moot and I approve this transsexual.
>> Anonymous
>>168562
2nd
>> Anonymous
uhhhh ,are you trying ot get butch, or girly????
>>   
>>168805
probably girly
>> Anonymous
the girls in that first picture are so hot
>> Anonymous
>>166916

I say better ass shot. If that's you that is.
>> Anonymous
>>167226
name!?
>> Anonymous
>>166892


you truly are girl
>>   
>>169063
?
>> MaddoxMan !!pvgYyl5+noK
Listen up she-boy, seriously, you really need to read this book right here.

http://rapidshare.com/files/121796184/Burn_The_Fat_Feed_The_Muscle_-_Tom_Venuto.rar

I swear, it'll answer all the questions about sex changing and all that other shit about hormones that nobody but Tommy Venuto knows about. Also, I'm with you, sister. Sometimes I also feel like I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.
>> Anonymous
>>169068

Getting old, douche-fag.
>> Anonymous
>>169069

Shut up, maddox.
>> °-° !!yxFrHrMXyX9
Welcome to /fit/, bigger troll magnet than /b/.
>> moot !Ep8ui8Vw2 ## ?dmin  
I DEMAND DICTURES
>> JESUS
>>169190
>DICTURES?

Also why is this crazy thread still alive?
>> Anonymous
>>169218
cause we want pics? I guess. Also for info OP just pose as a girl and say what you're trying to work on. I don't know..
>> Anonymous
>>169273

It's still different. Regardless of how OP identifies, the body is still male and even with estrogens being pumped into her, the body will still not perfectly imitate the way females lose and gain weight.
>> Anonymous
it
>> deleted
>>168615
>>168456

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_Female

where is your god now?

BTW - in the last literature ive read about sex diseases. Scientists found out that homosexualism is not a mental, but also a genetic disorder (not connected to X and Y chromosomes).
I've read it in textbook... so i guess they wouldn't make false claims there.

-med
>> Anonymous
>>169378

I think most logical medical professionals agree it's partly genetics and partly based on mentalities that you learn while young.

I've talked to a couple gay guys who think the genetics thing doesn't really apply to them, but that they rather just developed it socially from a young age. One of them said he liked girls until mid way through puberty then just starting preferring guys, he considers himself purely homosexual now because he just isn't interested in girls anymore, but since he used to be into females that kind of brings the genetic thing into question as an exclusive factor in determining sexuality.

IMO, part nature, part nurture/society. I mean, if a "straight" male child ends up hanging out more with little girls than little boys, he'll likely start mimicking the things that are socially acceptable for women to do at a young age and possibly end up being attracted to other males as a result of wanting to fit in more with the girls that he preferred as friends as a youth.

I mean, sexual orientation and gender identity are highly complex issues. It seems illogical to want to believe they are only determined from one single source.
>> Anonymous
>>169409

I agree with a lot of your points. I personally believe that sexual inclination is genetic, but the decision on how to deal with that inclination is personal and mental/psychological.

The associated homosexual/alternative lifestyle crowd latches onto the "genetic" thing, by and large, as an excuse to justify their choices and decisions. I don't think who you are attracted to is a choice, often, but I think what you do about that attraction always is.

I think that accepting responsibility for our own lives and choices should take precedent over the "LOL BUT I CAME THIS WAY IT'S WHO I AM" mentality which leads to nothing but bad things and stupid decisions.
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
>>169411

I just sort of consider myself bisexual with about a 90% preference for guys. I've always found both genders attractive physically, but I've never had an interest in getting a girlfriend or having any sort of penetrative sex with a female, although I'd not be against sluttily making out with girls.

During high school and stuff, it felt akward in my mind to imagine going up to a girl and asking her out and stuff, but it felt natural if I did that to a guy.

So, I don't really know how I or anyone ends up this way. I just know what I'm into sexually and I've never tried to repress it. I agree that a lot of non-straight people like to just say "It's genetics, can't help it", because maybe they don't want to think about it or really know the ultimate truth. I don't necessarily blame it on my genetics or anything really, I just live with the way I am and am happy.
>> Anonymous
>>169418

>I just live with the way I am and am happy.

Human beings can convince themselves they are happy. Just like we can convince ourselves of lots of things. Or convince ourselves to ignore the truth of matters. I personally find people like you to be the most dangerous. Not because you are a bad person, or I disagree with your choices or anything like that. But because you don't question things. You don't seek out the "why" behind your decisions. Every decision we make is rooted in patterned behaviors, causes, social environment, and ultimately our own willpower. We are who we choose to be.

The less introspective we are, the more easier it is to excuse, ignore, or simply not understand the decisions we make everyday. We must seek understanding always, or we get so caught up in our own opinions, perceptions, and way of life that we may never escape.
>> Anonymous
>>169426

Uh, I didn't say I wasn't interested in learning more about it. I said I'm happy with the way I am. Are you trying to convince me I'm NOT happy?

You act like I have a Ph.D in genetic biology or something. I'm not capable of finding out the truth by myself, I'm only capable of reading what real scientists conclude with experiments and deciding for myself whether or not it holds water.
>> Anonymous
Lol @ It's genetics. No, it's not -_-;;

lrn2bio-chemistry.
>> Anonymous
>>169429

We can all discern truth when we apply ourselves. I'm not interested in convincing you to hate yourself or be unhappy, that's completely beside the point in fact. I'm interested in encouraging you to use your capacity to reason, your logic, your ability to understand, your instinct.

There's more to every issue then just 2 sides, that's western ideology at work. I'm simply saying that issues this important should be discussed at an intellectual level more often. Way to frequently discussions about sexuality end up in arguments between super-conservative religious people yelling at extreme, opinionated activists.

The illusion that you have to have a PhD to know something is just that, an illusion. It's how diligently you apply yourself in studying an issue that defines what you get out of it. And what is worth discussing and knowing things about if not important issues like this that affect the lives of millions?
>> Anonymous
>>169418

It just means you are a fag. Get over it and get some cawck in your ass. At least that way you will have a better future than having to lube yourself up when a guy comes onto you, then watching him run a mile when he notices you are a mutilated male.
>> Anonymous
>>169443

Now you're just plain being insulting. Where did you get the notion that I sit on my ass and ignore everything? I am very inquisitive and I don't see how you've determined that I'm some illogical windbag who doesn't think for himself. You just turned from someone I was having a nice discussion with to a rude, demeaning asshole.

And I didn't say I *needed* a degree to research things for myself, I said it's the people WITH degrees who are educated enough and well equipped enough to properly utilize scientific methods to determine truth. Honestly, I specifically stated "All I can do is read what the scientists publish", and then you go and tell me the exact same thing by telling me to research these issue. I don't have a freaking lab in my basement and my only scientific education goes to the base college level of biology, chemistry and anatomy, which basically just means I know common terms and things that just about everyone who attended college also knows. I'm not going to put forth years of time and money studying the whys and hows, because I'm NOT a freaking scientist and that is NOT what I do as a career.

I might care to continue this if you stop being smug and talking down to me, until then, I'm going for my morning jog.
>> Anonymous
>>169455

>So, I don't really know how I or anyone ends up this way. I just know what I'm into sexually and I've never tried to repress it.

I guess I read to much into things.

Because people never get whiney, butthurt, and defensive without any reason and that must be your reason. That it's my fault.

I wasn't trying to make you feel insecure, but now I think I should have as it seems that's how you deal with people, projecting your insecurities onto them.

Oh, and no I don't care about your "morning jog." Most especially because I don't care about people claiming they are better than me because they are ____ or do ___ simply because they are made so insecure by what I say that they can't resist the urge to assert themselves in their own minds.

Good day sir, enjoy your "jog"
>> Anonymous
>>169448
OP here, the person you're replying to isn't me.

And uh...some surgical techniques allow the neovagina to self-lubricate, but either way...you have to lubricate for anal too you know...

Im not transitioning to make a guy happy, there's someone out there for everyone anyway and if my current boyfriend doesnt remain that guy forever then whatever happens happens. theres more important stuff to life than sex.
>> Anonymous
>>169462

wow dude, youre a pretty big idiot

go back to whatever far left libertarian forum you crawled out of
>> Anonymous
>>169464

>>there's someone out there for everyone anyway

Just keep telling yourself that and you might actually believe it.

>>theres more important stuff to life than sex

Yes, like killing yourself, so please do it asap because lets face it, you're life will be worth less than nothing when you go through with mutilating yourself. I have higher respect for paedo's and rapists than people like you.
>> Anonymous
>>169475
Wow. I bet you're not even a troll.
>> Anonymous
>>169475
>>169462
>>169443
>>169426
>>169411

Leave. You're a bastion of idiocy and pure fail.

>>169477

Agreed. You can tell this shitfuck is actually serious. Probably is a vegan and attends some Wiccan church.
>> Anonymous
>>169473

Actually I'm a conservative. Perceptive points for you good man. I'm sure you have a plethora of well-worded arguments and perceptive observations about my statements and reasoning that you're just struggling to hold back in lieu of your simple-minded, biting insults.
>> Anonymous
>>169475
Then I have even less respect for you. I don't know if you haven't gotten the idea yet, but I didn't come here asking for /fit/ to tell me if transitioning is what I want or need. I frankly dont give a shit if you think I should or not, you can go question yourself or something somewhere else.

Pedophiles and rapists harm people, the only people who could possibly be harmed by me living as who I am are my family, and my family accepts me with open arms. Suicide was something I almost turned to _before_ I came out and started to transition, and I haven't had even a thought towards that since then.
>> Anonymous
>>169481

You just spent three posts insulting people. Ironic, huh?

Can't wait until your ivory tower comes crumbling down and you have to actually live with regular people for once in your life.
>> Anonymous
>>169479

Hey, you have something to say or you just going to call me an idiot until enough people agree with your unsubstantiated insults that you feel validated? Do you have any legitimate talking points or things you'd like to argue with me about because I don't have any problem with actual conversation.

I just use faux-arrogance to piss people like you off. It helps me weed out the idiots and find people who really , actually want to discuss matters.

>>169475wasn't me by the way.
>> Anonymous
>>169485

See

>>169486

Also, other then ad-hominem arguments I've gotten nothing from you. I'm just replying in stride with the level you have chosen for this conversation.
>> Anonymous
>>169482

>>but I didn't come here asking for /fit/ to tell me if transitioning is what I want or need

You came here for attention like all mentally retarded fags.

>>Pedophiles and rapists harm people, the only people who could possibly be harmed by me living as who I am are my family, and my family accepts me with open arms

In their minds they are disgusted with you, you should have been aborted.

>>Suicide was something I almost turned to _before_ I came out and started to transition, and I haven't had even a thought towards that since then.

Do it properly next time, faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>169489

>GAY HATE RAGE

Fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>169486

Sure thing, Chuckles. The truth is you act this way in real life and have no friends because of it, and then you do it online to self-validate and act like some kind of wealthy dickhead with an Ivy League education, but in reality you're just 17 and frustrated.

And I love the level of irony that you just keep building up with calling out people for insulting you, only to do the same thing in the majority of your posts.

If you're done here, just leave. Wouldn't such a mature and intellectual Bohemian, such as yourself, know when to leave the scene? I'm sure you can find a much more mature and intellectual discussion at your local coffee house where you'll be free to discuss The Onion and The Daily Show. Wait, people in real life hate you :(
>> Anonymous
>>169486

>>169475wasn't me by the way

It was me and i strongly stand by it, i hope OP gets a boulder smashed over his head, might knock the fagness out of him.
>> Anonymous
>>169487

What a convenient excuse for stupidity!

Also, yet more irony with the ad-hominem comment. Maybe you can sell your irony on eBay or something.
>> Anonymous
>>169492
I really do like people like you because you're SO fucking stupid. Your argument against most transsexuals is that they'll never be a "real" woman because they'll still have XY chromosomes, even though they're mentally female.

then you've got me...I've got two X chromosomes, female chromosomes, and psychologically I'm female, I'm infertile and underdeveloped as a male, and you still actually argue that I'm just a "fag in denial"

I mean, really...just fuck off. make up your mind, you're going to call me a "fag" regardless of if I appear male or female to you because you know Im trans, so why should I care what you think? I'm happy one way and unhappy the other, you're angry and headstrong either way so I think its pretty obvious which scenario I benefit from.
>> Anonymous
>>169496

Fag gets frustrated and throws a strop, watch out, you might get a handbag thrown in your face.
>> Anonymous
>>169498
stereotypical immature jock gets insecure, careful, you might get a 'roid rage through your bedroom door.
>> Anonymous
>>169491

See, you have already characterized me as the arrogant pseudo-intellectual child now haven't you? Any attempts to make myself out to be something else you would just characterize as grand lies to self-validate myself even more. You aren't interested in arguing with me on an intellectual level, just mud-slinging. You continue to make it all about my problems so that you avoid dealing with ANY of the issues I bring up. It must be nice not having to think, just focusing your mind on finding ways to piss people off and avoided legitimate discussion. I don't fault you for it, trolling is a fucking great way to pass the time.

The more you focus on how stupid, and arrogant, and dislikable I am, the further the conversation gets away from the fact that you are ignoring my offers to genuinely discuss the statements you have erstwhile dismissed and undermined.

You're pretty good at this, you should look into becoming a politician with that level of bullshitting ability.
>> Anonymous
>>169491

And no, I'm not like this in real life. At least not all the time. I'll admit I do use getting involved in intellectual discussions to self-validate more often then I should. But at my core I do want to help folks and there is more to me than just the "arrogant pseudo-intellectual" you characterize me as. But here on 4chan I can be a dick to fuckbiscuits like yourself simply as a happy way of venting frustration. I can throw out arguments, discuss matters, and I don't have to worry about whether or not you like me or think I'm a good person because I don't really fucking care. And you're not interested in any real intellectual discussion, just undermining me and getting others to do the same, so you feel validated. Or maybe you just want to see me rage to make yourself feel better. Doesn't matter much does it?

You're just another opinionated ass ape at his computer, avoiding issues and complaining while you do nothing. Only now you have no one else to talk to because I've gotten bored of your simple-minded games and I know this was a waste of my time from the beginning.

Enjoy your hollow internet victory.
>> Anonymous
>>169496

Is he really even worth replying to? I know you're defending yourself and all, but sometimes it's just better to not let it even cause a reaction. He's just some douchebag troll.
>> Anonymous
>>169506

tl;dr - You're a fag.
>> Anonymous
>>169491

tl;dr

-You insulted me.

-I insulted you and said "Let's talk about why you think my points are not valid"

-You insulted me saying "LOOK LOOK HYPOCRITE LOL"

-I insulted you, reminding you that you have contributed no actual arguments to the discussion.

-You insulted me saying "LOOK LOOK HYPOCRITE LOL"


There. I saved all you a lot of wasted words. Goodnight.
>> Anonymous
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>>169507

I will leave you, my friend, with this. Which I find is increasingly appropriate.
>> Anonymous
>>169504
>>169506
>>169515

Shut up. I'm not even the guy you were arguing with earlier. You're just generally a massive douchebag. Bye.
>> Anonymous
>>169515

Sorry couldnt read that, too much fag drama in it.
>> Anonymous
Everyone in this thread is a moron. I hate 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>169525

Welcome to the internet hate machine, moreso when mentally retarded fags who want to mutilate themselves post here.
>> Anonymous
>>169525

Everyone here is a moron. The only thing that varies is how stupid the morons are.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls
>> Anonymous
>>169527
>Welcome to the internet hate machine

wow, newfag much?

4chan loves trannys/epic traps everyone here is a retard
>> Anonymous
I LOVE THE SMELL OF TROLLS IN THE MORNING
>> Anonymous
>>169535

I guess the reason why /fit/ suddenly started getting its tubes clogged with faggotry the last couple hours is all fat, sad, gay underage b&s from /b/ migrated here. That would explain this thread.
>> Anonymous
>>169527
mentally retarded people, by definition, are not intelligent. You disagreeing with my choices and decisions about my _own_ life, a life that does not affect you and will likely never come into contact with yours, doesn't make me unintelligent. It makes me different from you, but not unintelligent.

again, Im not asking for your approval. Im not asking for your acceptance. I don't know you, I never will know you, and I don't want to know you. I wasn't asking for your two cents on whether I should transition or not because you do not know me, and you don't know anything about me. I came here asking for relevant health and fitness advice. Some people were kind enough to provide that without pompously judging me as if it were any of their business. The rest of you are just the kind of assholes that Ive gotten used to. You're not unique or insightful for hating me, you're not the first person to call me names, and you're definately not someone I'm going to remember in the long term for it.
>> Anonymous
>>169546

All that emotional and psychological suck from you pretending that people hating you and not accepting you doesn't matter to you when really it does is being transferred into your need to "define yourself" by creating an unnatural and unhealthy image of who you think you are/should be.
>> Anonymous
>>169551

This.

Also OP - FAGGOT.
>> Anonymous
Eat lots of chocolate! ^^
You go girl! ^^
>> Anonymous
OP here - i hate you all. I'm going to write in my diary about how the world is against me and nobody understands me. Now where did i leave my lip gloss...
>> Anonymous
>>169551
I don't care if other people hate me, I care if I hate me...unnatural, to a degree sure, but a lot about me isn't "natural" in the normal sense of the word...Im intersexed, and that's naturally occuring, but people don't consider that normal or natural because they're ignorant about it.

Unhealthy? How is taking steps to be happier with myself unhealthy? What's more unhealthy, being an out of shape boy too depressed to interact with other people with a terrible body image or a girl who happens to be transgendered who is pretty comfortable with herself physically, is in far better shape and takes care of herself, and is open with her feelings emotionally with no real lingering traces of depression left? I couldn't function in society as a guy, I actually have FRIENDS now that I'm open about myself, Im in the first relationship Ive ever been in with a guy that I love and who loves me for who I am, Ive got a steady job (or as steady as a summer job can get) and have scholarships to an out-of-state art school.

Personally I think Im farrr better off now than I was before.
>> Anonymous
>>169562
on my cock
>> Anonymous
>>169562
contrary to what you may believe, Im actually a rather happy person in real life. Ive turned into a total bitch here because I'm tired of getting the same crap and the same arguments every time I look for honest advice anywhere.
>> Anonymous
OP sounds exactly like a girl who needs to cry but can't for whatever reason.
>> Anonymous
>>169564

You see, that's the grand delusion you've bought into. You DO care if other people hate you because human beings are social creatures. You're just internalizing all of that negativity and associating it with what you think your real problem is so you can justify making a radical choice regarding your gender and how you perceive yourself so you can self-validate yourself through that decision and ignore your real problems which is not accepting who you are.

YOU are the more unhealthy person. Because fat kids can excercize, the socially inept and bitter can be socialized and learn to heal themselves. But you have bought, hook line and sinker, into your own lie. That's what makes you more unhealthy. You have bought into using a mentality, a perspective, to escape your problems. You've convinced yourself you are happy using this method. That's not healthy, that's a delusion.

I'm honest. I'm fucked up and unhappy. But because I'm honest I can fix my problems. You? You're fucked in a much more serious, permanent, and insidious way.
>> Anonymous
>>169564

>art school

Not that I have anything against you in anyway like these other trolls, but I hope you're a really good artist if you want to make a living doing that...
>> Anonymous
>>169571
when I say I don't care what people think about me, it means I'm not going to hide who I am from them. If someone can't accept me for who I am, I don't really want anything to do with them. So yes, I do care, but I care about the people who care about me and I care about myself. I don't think that's unhealthy at all, I think it's more unhealthy to worry about what people you don't know think about you. I'm not going to go out of my way to make them think I'm different, but it's their loss if they just choose to hate me instead of getting to know me.

I know I'm fucked up, and I know that I'm doing my best to fix that. Ive had social anxieties all of my life and I'm getting over them as I transition. My transsexuality and intersexuality may have caused my anxieties before but the anxieties were because I hated myself so much. I didn't "become" trans because I hated myself, I hated myself because I knew the way I felt and I didn't want to face it.
>> Anonymous
>>169564

>>Ive ever been in with a guy that I love and who loves me for who I am, Ive got a steady job (or as steady as a summer job can get) and have scholarships to an out-of-state art school.

Not for long.

>>169571

Its beyond a delusion, its a fantasy land this fag is living in.
>> Anonymous
>>169574
Im a photography major.
>> Anonymous
>>169577
err..photojournalism major I mean. Sorry, it's super-late/early.
>> Anonymous
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>>169574

>art school
>> Anonymous
>>169576
not for long what? Having a boyfriend? He knows I'm trans, he treats me as his girlfriend, not a boyfriend. I haven't started HRT, no, but Ive been living full-time as a woman since I was 16. He's known me for ages and we've been together for 8 months...we're still happy together.

The job? Of course that's not for long, we're both moving for college in two months.

The scholarships & the college? I've been in touch with the school and they know all about my transsexuality and they've been perfectly accomodating. I get exception status and am allowed to have an apartment off-campus so that I can live with my boyfriend.

So quit talking out of your ass.
>> Anonymous
itt: closet homos who secretly want to tap the trap
>> Anonymous
>>169575

You have chosen to validate your feelings by taking actions to make them a reality. That's the "buying into the delusion" I was talking about earlier.

We live in a society that says "let your feelings define you." Basically the rule of thumb is that emotions dictate everything, just look at political correctness.

You are letting your feelings define you instead of defining yourself. You could have just overcome your self-loathing, accepted your feelings, and moved on. But that wasn't good enough for you. You had to make a lifestyle out of it, you had to define who you are through how you feel.

Sometimes people have feelings so that you can get over them, not so that they can "stop hating themselves and get their delusion on."

You are chronically, introspectively myopic.

And no, it's not more unhealthy to worry about what other people think about you. Because that is an obvious problem with an obvious solution. Your problem is on par with Scientology and Mormonism. You don't realize that your entire perspective is built around this deep NEED to be accepted. And because you aren't getting that from society or anywhere else you turn inwards and have found a way to put 2 and 2 together.

Deep personal insecurity + fuzzy sexual identity = sexual identity change tiem!

Delusion will always be more unhealthy than insecurity because delusion is what happens when insecurity is given a bit of food and left alone in the dark too long.
>> Anonymous
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>>169581
more like this, nice try though.
>> Anonymous
>>169596

Apparently you never saw Wedding Crashers
>> Anonymous
>>169595
Look...quit trying to act like you know exactly how I tick, okay? You don't. My feelings ARE reality, feelings and emotions aren't fake you know. I'm getting along in life as I want to, and Ive accepted myself. Drop the crap about how you think emotions shouldn't dictate everything because emotions DO dictate everything. Your emotions are dictating what you're typing right now. Mine are dictating what I'm typing right now. Theres a difference between being controlled by your emotions and recognizing them.

But seriously...put away the psychology 101 text book, because guess what? You're not the first person to try and use that. I've had six different therapists for my gender issues. Two were Christian fundies who were almost to old testament standards, the other four have all recognized me as a classic case of GID and have encouraged treatment. I would think they probably know more about it than you as their task is to TRY to talk me out of it to make sure I know what I'm doing. I'm perfectly rational and understanding about what is going on in my life and I could go into more detail than you want me to about the effects of hormone usage, the side effects of certain hormones and anti-androgens, what surgical procedures can and cannot do, the whole nine yards. I understand the developmental process for someone like me as well as anyone out there.
>> Anonymous
No. 166868 can you post pictures of yourself? if you cant i wouldnt recommend going much further with transgender. i watched quite a few documentaries on transgender and being secure about your body is one of the main things you need to be. im due to see a psychologist later this month to evaluate if i am ready to go ahead with the surgery, been living as a woman the past 14 months, and i know how it is, it was very difficult for me.
>> Anonymous
>>169614

>My feelings ARE reality
>emotions DO dictate everything.
>Ive accepted myself
>Theres a difference between being controlled by your emotions and recognizing them.

Apparently things like logic, reason, philosophy, and psychology escape you when you are busy proving how you have chosen to let your emotions control everything about you. There's more to being a human then just animalistically following your emotions.

Here's a big protip: Studying and hearing != truly understanding.

If you're not ready to hear something, then no amount of study, therapy, or explanation can convince you.

I don't HAVE to understand you, I just have to understand how people work to know that you're fucked in the head and using embracing your feelings mindlessly as self-validation to help yourself hate who you are less.

Again, I summed you up at my first post>>169551
>> Anonymous
>>169618
I'm not posting pictures because I've already made enough enemies here and I don't feel like having my actual likeness dragged through the mud.

Because of the intersexed thing, which no one here seems to understand since they can't grasp the fact that I actually am a genetic female in that regard, I'm extremely androgynous and can pass for either male or female depending on hair and makeup. I look like a slightly more boyish version of the OP picture with shorter (jaw length) hair.
>> Anonymous
>>169589

Your "boyfriend" will be running for the hills when he see's the fugly abomination that is yourself coming out of surgery. He must be truly desperate to be tapping a guy calling it his "girlfriend".
>> Anonymous
>>169627

>genetic female

And yet when someone would call you a boy before you would say "that's not who I am really." How is it you can suddenly use your physical body to validate yourself now? Is who you are defined by your body or... your soul? Your mind? What?
>> Anonymous
>>169625
You actually didn't sum me up at all. Quit trying to be formulaic about people, for christs sake.

And yes, you do have to actually know me to accurately talk about how I think and who I am because you're only seeing one side of me in this thread; my extremely ticked off and angsty side that I turn into when I haven't had enough sleep and I'm getting attacked by random people. Youre trying to define who I am based on how I act when Im angry and how I defend myself when Im ridiculed to the point where I can't ignore it any more.

Follow your own protip, because you're acting like you TRULY UNDERSTAND me when all you truly understand is textbook cases and what you've been taught, you don't TRULY UNDERSTAND me as a person because you do not KNOW me as a person. All you know about me is that I'm transgendered, that I was born male with female sex chromosomes, my measurements, and how I react to having 200 people talk down to me as if I'm subhuman.
>> Anonymous
>>169630
My boyfriend is panssexual.

>>169633
I said "genetic female in that regard" because I have two X chromosomes, I don't have a Y chromosome. I didn't say it meant that I'm not physically male, because I am, I do have male genitalia and a male body, overall, but genetically as well as psychologically I am female. There's no point in someone arguing with me on that and telling me that I'm just a "gay guy in denial" because most guys, in case you didn't take a basic biology class, don't have two X chromosomes or the desire or even delusion if you want to insult me from an extremely early age to be a member of the opposite sex.

Who I am is defined by my personality, my gender is part of my personality. My sex is not.
>> Anonymous
>>169637

All you've done is use emotions to justify yourself and your irrational decisions which you have made based on emotions.

I've used reason, logic, and argumentative measures to break down your bullshit emotional-insulation and get you to the point where you are honest. Because it's when we're at our worst that we are truest, emotionally, to who we really are. You seem to be one of those "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME" 'artists.'

Why are you still talking to me knowing I will only hurt you? Why are you even posting here? On some level you are looking for someone to tell you you're right and to validate your choices or you are keeping this up because it hurts or because on some level you believe you deserve it.

I "UNDERSTAND" people better then you ever could because I am willing to adapt myself and my cognitive abilities to understand things from both perspectives. I see your points and I understand your arguments, hell I can even sympathize with your situation.

But you have chosen to define yourself as transgendered and then complain about it when people treat you according to that definition. You have provided us with information of your choosing, are you now going to hold that against us? You, of your own free will, knowing I wouldn't change my mind or do anything other than undermine your choices and ideas, have talked with me here tonight for an extended period of time and even gotten pissed off.

Again, you're problems are the subversive ones. Me? I know I'm a dick and I know why I'm here. It is painfully obvious what my problems are. But what about you, do you know why you are here talking to me right now? Did you ever? Or are you just "going on feeling" all the time and wondering why things are so hard?
>> Anonymous
>>169645

His boyfriend will fuck aaaaaaaaaanybody and perhaps aaaaaaaaaanything.
>> Anonymous
>>169645

Then why does changing ones sex always become such a central and important if it is the least important of those three things?

Seems kind of like instead of just accepting yourself you are taking steps to validate your feelings that are... unnecessary.
>> Anonymous
>>169637

The fag is also an emo. "NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME"


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

Go kill yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>169663

Trolling. Try harder at it then you are currently.
>> Anonymous
>>169652
You don't "UNDERSTAND" anyone because you're too busy telling yourself that you understand everything. You're nothing but a windbag.

I'm talking to you because you addressed me in the thread that I made that only a handful of people have actually responded to with actual fitness advice. You're obviously not a qualified therapist or psychologist or you would realize how full of shit you are. And I know you're just going to come back again saying that that's my emotional safety blanket, but what the fuck ever. You're a classic example of an armchair psychiatrist and a pseudo-intellectual, and youre something that 4chan is famous for having. I choose to "define" myself as transgendered because I'm not really ashamed of that fact, I'm open about it in real life so I'm certainly not afraid to tell anonymous internet boards, but I didn't choose to be intersexed, and I didn't choose to be transgendered. I just chose to let people KNOW that I was transgendered because it's not something to be ashamed of. Like I already said, I don't like being hated but I would much rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not. You can keep thinking I'm just a gay guy in denial or something, and you're free to do that, I don't really mind. In the end it doesn't matter because whether you see me as an extremely effeminate gay man or I see myself as a transgendered woman, I'm still going to be the same person. I'm still going on HRT, I still go by a female name, I'm still happier than I was 3 years ago.

You're labelling yourself in the same way that I am, you're just using a different label and you're as blind to it as you think I am to my own.
>> Anonymous
>>169673

XD I GUESS THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALISM ROFL

G'night you unhealthy champion of /fit/. It has been a pleasure annoying the everliving shit out of you.
>> Anonymous
>>169660
Because my physical body is still important to me just like yours is to you. Your body doesn't make who you are and mine doesn't make me who I am, but we still both want to look a certain way. You want to be more muscular, probably, considering the forum...I want to have breasts. I don't have any unreasonable expectations, I don't want or expect gigantic breasts and I know it will never be possible for me to give birth.

And for the record...I never said I plan to have the actual sex change operation any time soon. I do want surgery, but I don't want it immediately because the procedure is still not something Im completely happy with. I accepted the fact that I have a penis a long time ago and even though I dont actively use it during sex, it is there and I have no illusions about it.
>> Anonymous
>>169677
Goodnight pseudo-intellectual individual who has still made absolutely no head-way in convincing me to "not do it", whatever it may be.

Don't forget your psychology 101 book, but don't forget to skip past the first chapter and read more in depth. You might actually find that GID is recognized by most modern Psych textbooks and is recognized as a disorder that almost always requires treatment like Im receiving, but you'll probably just write notes in your book to "inform" future readers about it being a lie.
>> Anonymous
OP - how much is all this going to cost?
>> Anonymous
>>169684

The first person to suggest that surgeons wash their hands before operating was run out of town. And practical physical safety standards are a far cry from the complexity of modern psychology. Kind of makes you wonder what shit we are being fed these days that will be proven wrong in another 100 years. :)
>> Anonymous
>>169695
all of what? you guys assume too much...
Im not having any major surgery yet. I dont think I need FFS, though I might get minor rhinoplasty which would be a few thousand dollars tops. SRS if I decide to do it wont come until probably my mid-20s.

Hormones Im not sure about yet, but less than $50 a month.

So not as much as you are probably expecting. SRS would be like $10000 area and FFS goes from a couple thousand to almost 100 thousand, but even if I did need FFS it would be mostly minor work so a relatively lower cost and fairly normal procedures (rhinoplasty, facelift, brow-bossing reduction at the most)
>> Anonymous
>>169705

You can save yourself alot of money by buying a rope and hanging yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>169697
The goal of therapy is to make a person comfortable with themself and fit in society better. They tried that to begin with by trying to discourage people from transitioning and it backfired, helping transpeople transition signifigantly improves their lives most of the time. I think thats doing its job.
>> Anonymous
>>169710
If I were going to kill myself I would do something a little classier than that, thanks. I atleast have the decency to poison myself or something .
>> Anonymous
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>>169712

*whoosh*

That's the sound of an idea flying over your head. The concept that maybe your behavior and feelings are unhealthy is just too big an idea for our shiny, advanced new progressive culture. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a stupid pseudo-intellectual trying to convince you of something.

Oh wait...
>> Anonymous
>>169726
*whoosh*

That's the sound of an idea flying over your head. The concept that maybe you don't know everything and more thoroughly understand the issue than people affected by it or people who treat those affected is just too big an idea for our cynical would-be know-it-all. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a stupid intersexed person trying to convince you that, guess what? I exist.

Oh wait...
>> Anonymous
>>169717

Typical fag trying to make a dramatic exit. You came here craving attention, you got it, now fuck off.
>> Anonymous
>>169705

And you assume anyone here gives a fuck about your decisions
>> Anonymous
>>169759

I'd cast my vote for suicide over leaving. One's a much better solution to his main problem, continuing to be alive.
>> Anonymous
>>169763
If you don't care don't click on the thread. It's simple.

>>169759
I wasn't being dramatic, I don't have any plans to kill myself. I was being facetious.
>> Anonymous
So OP, are you going to post pics or are you going to side-step round the subject?
>> Anonymous
>>169774

That way only the people willing to facilitate your attention whoring post here? How convenient for you.

And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know how to act facetious if it dicksmacked you in real life as much as it has in this thread.
>> Anonymous
>>169766
keep BAWWWing about me, roid-head, I'm still here and there's nothing you can do about it.
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

It could be yooooooooooooooooooooooooooou!!
>> Anonymous
>>169788
Gwen Araujo would have probably been a better example. Quit trying to intimidate me.
>> Anonymous
>>169794

Trying to follow in his footsteps then? Its ok, i now understand why you are going through with this. Drama fag wants drama death.
>> Anonymous
>>169799
youre the one being a dramafag about it, go lift some weights or something you miserable piece of shit.
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>>169800

Cant lift weights today, resting my muscles. I think i'd rather sit here barrading you with insults with a big smile on my face, pic related, its how happy i am right now.
>> Anonymous
>>169806
and my smile is about twice as large as that. I mean, I am starved for drama and attention after all, right? You're certainly providing that.
>> Anonymous
>>169806
Jesus Christ you're a repressed faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>169809

It makes for epic lulz. Seriously though, why are you such a fag? I mean, every other gay guy just accepts it and takes cawck in the ass, but you are in denial and cant fight it so you want to be a woman to escape the truth that you are a disgusting fag.

Sad story, but true. *tear*
>> Anonymous
>>169812
I never said I wasn't queer because I am. I'm not a "fag", though, for several reasons...

I don't identify as male and I'm not fully male or female, regardless of anything I have or have not done. I'm in the middle.

I'm bisexual, not homosexual or heterosexual. I tend to go for guys more often, but Ive been attracted to women before.

And I do take, to put it crudely like you did, "cawck in the ass".

There's nothing epic about it, either. It's boring to everyone but you, so that isn't epic. You're just getting off to it because either you're new here and don't realize how common transsexuals are on 4chan, or you're just an immature jock of a kid.
>> Anonymous
>>169818

Then your physical side is irrelevant and you dont need to change yourself at all. So you are totally bullshitting everyone in the belief that you are "a woman trapped in a mans body". You just have a pretty fucking extreme fetish to be fucked rather than do the fucking. I've never cared for how many faggots mutilating themselves are posting on the boards, every one of them is disgusting and should have been drowned at birth. Not even checking this thread anymore, i hope you go through with your plan, you'll have one extremely shitty life ahead of you.

Ta-ta...faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>169829
Bullshitting nothing...I feel like you would if you suddenly grew a vagina except I've felt that way my entire life. The fact that I'm XX just highlights it further because it makes it obvious that I was a developmental fuckup.
Bye, mouthbreather. Have a nice life.
>> Anonymous
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>>169829
I found your picture.
>> Anonymous
Anyone else feel like reminiscing on how big of a faggot OP was?