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Which of the easily available martial arts is best?

That is, karate, judo, boxing, tkd, kung fu.

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>> Anonymous
boxing
>> Anonymous
>>196225
>> karate Anonymous
classical okinawan karate
fuck the modern shit
>> Anonymous
>>196225
>>196226
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Wrestling is also easily available and it is very effective. From that list I would choose boxing and judo, because they have live sparring. If you spar often with resisting opponent you will do better in real situation.

Best combination is boxing or Muay Thai for striking + judo or wrestling for clinch, strong base and takedowns + Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Submission Wrestling for ground game.
>> Anonymous
Krav Maga or Sambo/Systema

I know they are not always "easily available", but likely you will have one of them in your neck of the woods.
>> Anonymous
a LOT of tkd places, especially actual korean ones, also teach hapkido/aikido, they just don't list it b/c no one knows or cares about them in rural areas.

very similar to jujutsu (no brazilian). teaches you a lot about pressure points and applying leverage to small joints. essentially, if you can get your hands on them just about anywhere, you can break/rupture/cause extreme pain- all 3 are pretty useful in self defense.
>> Anonymous
come on guys, boxing gets you strong and conditioned like no other martial art.

all that fancy asian shit doesn't hold up on the streets vs a conditioned boxer. and i took judo for 4 years
>> Anonymous
Whatever you do don't take tkd.
I took that shit for about 3 years and all it taught me was how to do pretty and fancy kicks. Looks impressive but generally sucks ass in any sort of real life fight.
>> Anonymous
Dis is truth. I've been boxing, and the majority of my workout goes to conditioning. But even then, hitting the bag makes me die. When you spar, it gets even more intense. Why do you think people have died from overworking themselves in boxing matches? BECAUSE ITS BRUTAL!!! Seriously though, do boxing. Don't do MMA faggotry. If you're worried about street fights, Krav Maga is good for that. But boxing does real live sparring, I think Krav is all about "simulation" training. But you're not trying to kick someone's ass so much.
>> Anonymous
lol kendo
>> Anonymous
come on guys, you are discussing hypothetical optimal fighting style combos, when the OP is a rail thin peice of shit that couldn't punchi his way through a paper bag. you all discuss this shit like your fucking black belts in 2 weeks.

OP, go to a boxing gym, make sure its not one of those "everyone wins" gyms. make sure they thrash you, and give no mercy. try hard. get in shape, learn to punch hard and have endurance. fuck this foofy martial arts shit, I've never seen someone do spin kicks and backflips when they are fighting someone for real. Ive seen punching in the head over and over and over and over until the other guy is fucked up. lets be real life and practical about this shit.

fuck bruce lee
fuck movies
fuck the internet

be serious man, boxing gym, a rough one
>> Anonymous
>>196314
I want to also add that the number one bottom line in a fight is strength, technique only goes so far. the best way to get better at fighting is to get stronger. thats hwy they have weight classes, because the bigger guys are stronger and can annihilate the small guys.
>> Anonymous
>>196316
let me put it this way, you might be an advanced kung fu student, but your fucking 130 lbs. nothing you ever throw at a reasonably built dude is going to hurt him. he's going to just brute force manhandle your and sloppily beat you to a pulp
>> Anonymous
>>196304
boxing teaches you to punch with gloves on. have fun breaking your hands.
>> Anonymous
>>196316
I've seen smaller guys in the ring spar giant russian fools and totally whoop them because they are faster and punch harder.

Better technique = harder and faster punches.

Being big can go so far. But if you don't have the experience, a small guy with a good punch can take you out like nothing.
ALSO, REMEMBER TO WORK OUT YOUR NECK MUSCLES. NEVER FORGET THIS!!!
>> Anonymous
>>196323
More like have fun learning how to strengthen your hands until they've become live grenades that explode on contact.
>> Anonymous
>>196291
btw, i realize i forgot to mention, most tkd taught today is a fuckin joke- gymnastics basically. If you find a place where they also teach hapkido/aikido, you'll probably find what they teach (traditional tkd) is not unlike traditional karate.
>> Anonymous
>>196291
>very similar to jujutsu (no brazilian). teaches you a lot about pressure points
pressure points don't work so well when enough adrenaline is involved.
>> Anonymous
>>196324
oh hey yeah, a small guy who has been training for years and years. not the OP. stop arguing for the sake of arguing
>> Anonymous
>>196330
Tell that to the successor of the HOKUTO SHINKEN!
>> Anonymous
>>196330
er, pressure points in real combat aren't like the vulcan nerve pinch, it's often used a loose term for soft, vulnerable tissue. Certain parts of the forearm, the solar plexus, the muscles in the hand, the fleshy area on your inner thigh w/ vulnerable nerves, etc.
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be a hitmonlee
>> Anonymous
>>196323

You're a moron. Everheard of bareknuckle boxing? Of course you have. Ever heard of an Official Bareknuckle Boxing Championship? No, there's not one. It's not because the fighters make a habit of busting their hands, it's because it's incredibly dangerous and no person could make a long career out of it without seriously damaging their health. Thinner gloves are allowed in other combat sports simply because the main and only focus isn't punching eachother.
>> Anonymous
f you want to be well rounded do both Judo and boxing. Neither grappling or striking ideal by themselves, both have weaknesses. Karate etc. tend to be very hit-or-miss and the quality varies wildly.

You can find good TMA dojos but for every good one there's a legion of strip-mall crap.
>> Anonymous
>>196325
you do know one of the main reasons boxers wear gloves so thick is because they used to keep breaking their hands? meanwhile, traditional boxing gyms teach you to punch in a way the minimizes the contact area of your fist and produces a less than ideal position for stabilization of the blow w/ the wrist and shoulders.

this works fine, with gloves, because the smaller contact area allows you to deliver more damage. Do this without gloves and the smaller area means less area to disperse the force of your hand. If you hit the hard part of someone's skull, it's gonna fucking hurt.

Also, in boxing, power is stressed too much over speed. Without gloves, a quick jab or backfist can incapacitate or knock someone out. Since this is extremely difficult w/ gloves, boxing stresses generating enough power to do damage THROUGH gloves, rather than the ability to land damaging blows w/out gloves (which relies more on speed and accuracy)
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>>196339

Actually there were plenty back in the day; they were phased-out not because guys broke their hands (bouts lasted 100 something rounds, when have you ever seen THAT in modern boxing.) they were phased out because they were really bloody and brutal. You hit people differently in bare-knuckle boxing to protect your hands; that's why you have the weird ass guards and stances that look so silly to us. The other reason was pre-marquis of Queensbury boxing was more similar to Pankration then it was modern boxing, grappling tripping and dirty tricks were legal.

Ironically it was actually safer then modern boxing because you couldn't strike hard enough to inflict the kinds of modern brain trauma that boxers are prone to develop over a long career.
>> Anonymous
>>196339
actually, they do tend to bust their hands. if you're gonna argue against FACTS though, i concede.
>> Anonymous
>>196347
erm, wow. i'm the guy who was saying boxing punches can lead you to break your hands, and i was just gonna post a wiki link, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_gloves

however, i bow to your obviously superior (and non-wiki powered) bareknuckle boxing knowledge.

I still stand by the fact that unless you plan on wearing boxing gloves next time you get into a fight, learn to punch the jkd way.
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>>196343
Which is why I work on the speed bag and accuracy bag without gloves. Of course, I leave my handwraps on. The pro size gloves are smaller though, and are pretty damaging as well. I'm still just an amateur level so... I don't know everything. I have been taught a few different ways to hit with the fist. The main trainer hits with his last three knuckles, just about the entire fist. And two other trainers are more into hitting with your first two knuckles, the heavy part of the bat, if I may...
>> Anonymous
>>196343

What sport have you been watching? Boxing has had some of the fastest and most powerful hands to grace modern combat sports.
>> Anonymous
>>196355

learn to read.

>>Boxing has had some of the fastest and most powerful hands to grace modern combat sports.

I never said otherwise. I just said that if those "fastest and most powerful hands" punched any hard surface (like a skull, perhaps) multiple times in the traditional boxing manner, broken knuckles are inevitable.
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>>196353
sorry, i should have been clearer. what i call "the traditional boxing way" is with 2 knuckles and lots of fist rotation- what you mention the two teachers teach. the one that teaches hitting with the last 3 teaches more of a wu shu style, and i would imagine he has a mean hook.
>> Anonymous
>>196353
the hitting w/ two knuckles thing gives you less stability in the wrist, and i think is less applicable to street fighting. i dunno what's actually effective when using gloves, but i imagine that as a boxer you have some expereience
>> Anonymous
>>196359

Actually, you were saying something about how boxers emphasise power over speed to adapt to the cushion of the glove and how it doesn't require much force to knock someone out barehanded, ignoring the fact that a fast jab is essential in boxing. Don't backtrack too fast now, you might trip over.
>> Anonymous
>>196366
still, learn to read

>>emphasise

you realize someone who places an emphasis on power can still be fast? you realize if the same people focused on speed over power, they might be (gasp) faster than they already are? And no, i'm not ignoring the fact that a fast jab is essential in boxing, you're missing the fact the everything is relative. A fast accurate jab is MORE important in a street fighting than boxing.
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>>196364
I haven't been in a street fight, and I'm not an expert boxer or anything. I also don't know if it gives you less stability in the wrist. I do know that hitting with those two knuckles adds to your reach and gives you a little more power. As far as wrist stability goes, the hand wraps go tight around the wrist and the thumb in order to not bend them back and injure them when you do a poor punch. But I've been doing knuckle and fingertip pushups in order to strengthen my hands anyway. I can't afford a hand injury through boxing because I'm also a musician. But boxing is good because you're forced to strengthen every part of your body in order to become as strong and fit as possible in order to defeat somebody. Too bad almost everyone else works just as hard which, in turn, makes everybody way too fucking tough! haha
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>>196367
You know, you could never throw your right once in boxing and no one would get mad at you. ITS ALL ABOUT THE LEFT BABY
>> Anonymous
Boxing, although I don't know how accessible it is lately with all this MMA faggotry. Maybe you guys live in Kung Fu Town, but unless you go around like a jackass picking fights you're not going to get in many fights, and out of those fights most people aren't 4th degree blackbelts or heavyweight champions. Boxing will also get you ridiculously manly strong. Just be prepared to learn, get your ass kicked, and work your ass off, but the camaraderie is great
>> Anonymous
Boxing = the ultimate comprehensive turn-human-into-death-machine conditioning combat sport.
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>>196370
There's a lot of good gyms everywhere. I think USA boxing or the Golden Gloves people have posted their recommended gyms online in a state-by-state directory. So, it shouldn't be hard to find one near you. That's how I find the gym I'm currently going to. It's SUPAR GRIND.
>> Anonymous
>>196369
like i said, it's all relative. You can use your left all day and no one would get mad if you're a boxer, but in a street fight you could use only your left and whip anyones ass. btw, this is why southpaw is superior for righties in non-sport combat.
>> Anonymous
>>196368
i believe the 2 knuckle punch also better protects your chin with your shoulder. yeah, i think the fact that mispunching w/ 2 knuckles can injure you is very important (and also, makes glancing blows do less damage), and ironically, the extra power of the blow itself distributed over a smaller area can be dangerous too.
>> Anonymous
>>196370
>Just be prepared to learn, get your ass kicked, and work your ass off, but the camaraderie is great

Sums the boxing option up quite neatly. I hope the OP pays attention, though.
>> Anonymous
>>196372

Do you have that recommended state-by-state directory? I tried looking around locally, but the few people I talked to did MMA or other crap. I just want to do pure boxing. Also, how much does your boxing gym cost? I'm in New York, so I figure if anywhere, we'll have a few good ones here.
>> Anonymous
>>196379
Here ya go
http://www.boxinggyms.com/recommendedboxinggyms.htm

I guess I remembered wrong about it being a site run by the USA boxing people.

Anyway, my gym is only $35/month. Generally, most other boxing gyms I've looked into around here were never more than $40/month. I don't know how expensive a gym in New York would be, but I'm sure it'll be of high quality.
>> Anonymous
>>196370

Depends on what you want. Do you care more about self-defense or sports?

MMA is fine as a sport or exercise; it's lousy as self-defense. The best way to defend yourself is run the fuck away and extensive ground work doesn't lend itself well to a "stun and run" strategy.
>> Anonymous
Boxing.
This is coming from a BJJfag and a former karatefag.