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/fit/ i can only do one dead-hang pull up, and want to be able to do more quickly. i know i know negatives but they feel so ineffective, even if i let myself down incredibly slowly.

i'm not going to google a pic for this but i suppose pic is related. he can do pullups.

thanks

suppose i absolutely can't get any equipment:

if i do many chinups, will this help me reach a point where i can do enough pullups to make a workout out of?

I'm thinking i'll do my one pullup and then do chinups until i can do around 4 pullups.
>> Anonymous
why did the pic related sentence end up in the middle there?
>> Anonymous
how many chinups can you do?
>> Anonymous
>>465700

about 8, dead-hang? i'm not entirely sure since i do bicep curls and lat pulldowns on the same day twice a week, today was one of those days, so i'm a bit weak right now. however, I don't think the lat pulldowns are very good. I did a couple sets of four chinups at the gym today, and just now i was able to do 6 on my door bar.

i'm worried that i'm putting too much bicep into the chinups though.
>> Anonymous
>>465714
wow
i am intrigued by the difference in reps you can do
i can do 10 chinups and 7 pullups
>> Anonymous
If you really want to increase your chins, completely stop doing bicep curls for a while, and lat pull downs.

Chin ups are a very effective compound movement that will hit your biceps more than enough.

Google "greasing the groove". Essentially, you should do chin ups like this to increase reps and strength in this area:

Put your chin up bar in an area where you are mostly. For me, I put mine in the doorway of my computer/media room. Every time I walk past (bathroom, kitchen, etc.), I hop on the bar and knock em' out.

Reps: Always keep your reps to "one before failure". Never try to max out, if at all possible.

Negative reps are great with a small stool, just pop up, and resist the negative.

I went from being able to do one rep to 16 in about 3 months. That is a complete dead hang.

I can do more underhand than overhand.

Once you can do more than 10 or so, it is best to begin weighted, like wearing a backpack with heavy books, for example. I will hit 20 reps in about 6 months, I figure.

For pushups by the way, use the same basic principles. I can do 100s. For extrra resistance, raise your feet on a stool, chair, table, counter, etc. Don't max out.
>> Anonymous
Marine Corps Officer Candidatefag here...

27 pullups

:)
>> Anonymous
>>465761
Why don't you go to failure?

Stronglifts tells me to go to failure consistently.
>> Anonymous
>>465771

Stonglifts tells you to start out trying to failure, ie do as many as you can at first. Then it tells you to switch to weighted pull ups once you can do a certain number. You'll be avoiding failure then.
>> Anonymous
>>465771
I don't go to failure, because in the effort of going to failure, you take away a lot of your energy and drive to do more reps. My goal of putting the bar in conspicuous place is to walk by and do reps, many times per day. I estimate that I probably do around 100 a day. If I went to absolute failure, I would probably not be able to do more than 60 a day.
>>465784
I am not sure about strong lifts, except that strong lifts attempt to increase your strength, while doing as many chins as you can is to increase your stamina.

These are two different goals, so they are like two different approaches to the exercise.

Hope this helped.
>> OP
thank you all very much.

the difference in reps overhand and underhand is why i think i am using too much of my biceps when doing underhand (chinup)

>>465761

i'm replying kind of late but in case you are still around, i'll do that to increase the number of underhand chinups i can do, but will that help me do a lot of overhand pullups quickly?

thanks a lot.
>> Anonymous
>>465865

There is no possible explanation for why you can do only one pullup compared to eight fucking chinups. Anyways, make sure you're doing your pullups at a slightly beyond shoulder width grip and not super wide, touch your neck to the bar on each rep for both chinups and pullups. Make sure you're not kipping (leg kick, body english) on either exercise. Stop lat pulldowns, do curls if you want to but never when you do pullups.
>> Anonymous
Oh shit I didn't know the difference between a dead-hang pull-up and a pull-up. I just decided at some point that it would be better if I went down through the whole movement so that's what I do now. I can do 7 or 8 at a time.

I got better by doing half pullups more. I used to have a pullup bar in my doorway and I'd do some pullups on it a couple times a day.
>> OP
>>465906

thanks

>do curls if you want to but never when you do pullups.

may i ask why though?
>> OP
>>465969

what i mean is, what if i do the pull-ups first and then bicep curls, with whatever weight i am capable of at that point, afterwards (twice a week)?
>> Anonymous
>>465971

This defeats the purpose of greasing the groove. If you want to realistically jack your numbers up in the fastest way possible then you don't want to fatigue the muscles involved. This is why you do submaximal sets of pullups with gracious amounts of time inbetween so your nervous system can record the pattern effectively without the onset of muscle fatigue. This is not how you get muscles this is how you get pullups, if you want to get some biceps then do some curls two days a week but keep them away from your pullups because most of your strength is apparently located in them, which is extremely fucked up. Honestly I would suggest staying away from the bicep curls until the rest of your body learns it exists and your lats start learning how to kick in. Just my opinion but if you continue with the workout all at once method then just forget this ever happened and don't try parkour (compound movements then isolation exercises, I am probably blowing it out of proportion but if don't grease the groove then you more than likely not going to get shit out of any of this advice).
>> Anonymous
>>466519
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