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Anonymous
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=epOg1nWJ4T8

how does this make /fit/ feel? (the movie, not the picture)
>> Anonymous
Id hit that loli just the way she is.
>> Anonymous
Kind of sad if you think about it.
>> Anonymous
Whether or not i agree with any of it it's a really good advert.
>> Hitler Youth !8VJ..sHoTA
wow, dove is pushing this ' its ok to be fat and unattractive' thing way too far.
>> Anonymous
I do respect Dove's efforts.
>> Anonymous
i think the beauty industry is pushing this 'you must be flawless!' thing too far.

it's pretty stupid if i think about it
>> Anonymous
i think anything promoting self-acceptance in girls is great. i myself am a recovering anorexic (by recover i mean i'm up to 110 after hitting 78 pounds at the age of 19 and having a heart attack) and would rather anyone accept themselves fat that suffer through the deluded body images our society pushes on them. being fit is awesome, but if someone isn't trying to be some musclebuilder... i think this campaign is great.
>> Anonymous
>>190568

But it's not ok to want to promote self-acceptance in boys and tell them they don't need to be a ripped jock to be cool and good looking? Sexist cunt. I hate people like you who act like females have it SOOOO hard with all this pressure to look good. FUCK YOU. You have no clue how terribly competitive the male pecking order is or how taboo it is to be even at 20% body fat. At least tons of guys accept chubby girls and it's considered hot for you to have meaty parts.

Seriously, too bad your moronic cunt ass didn't die of that heart attack you biased one sided sexist piece of dog shit.
>> Anonymous
I think it's stupid blaming ads and magazines for making people want to be thin. Young girls are never happy with their bodies
>> Anonymous
>>190568

They are deluded thinking that being obese is fine. They might as well just admit they are weak, instead of pushing their crap about dieting being bad because they were not strong enough to change their lifestyle. Its one thing to be confident in yourself and not let assholes tell you that Angelina Jolie is the pinnacle of human evolution. But the other extreme is no better, and luring people with issues into that shit should be a crime. Telling a fat chick shes fine downing a gallon of mayfield icecream everyday is just as bad as telling an anorexic that food is the devil.
>> Anonymous
>>190600

Not the same girl, but really, i disagree. These days, it's encouraged to be a stick thin male with hair in his eyes. Even fat guys can get some, if they try. Unless you're competing in a bodybuilding competition, not a lot of people will be like "GET RIPPED LIKE TYLER DURDEN YOU MOTHERFUCKER OR TAKE STEROIDS BECAUSE WE DONT WANT YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE MUSCLE BULGING OUT EVERY WHERE" however, with women, it's more important to be flawless and slender and skinny and perfectly pale with great skin and a perfect nose and a flat stomach. Stop being a pussy and complaining about something that really isn't there. Believe me, the beauty industry is much harsher than whatever industry you're whining about.
>> Anonymous
>>190607
Agreed 100%
>> Anonymous
>>190605

People want to be whats considered attractive to compete. Magazines feed off of that insecurity, and push it on the average joe.
>> Anonymous
It is not about being the next female model in the beauty magazine or being an attractive male in the crowd, all that is really asked of us is to keep ourselves healthy both mentally and physically.

Skinny guys/girls, I don't care. As long as they are eating properly to maintain their health and looks that is fine. However, if you let yourself go into THAT (OP). That is seriously out of hand.

#1. You (yourself) is hella suffering. Both mentally and physically. Mentally such as self-acceptance ( thats one of them) Physically, as in at the expense of your health such as illness.

#2. It is costing you more. (Eating expenses, clothings, meds)

#3. Taking hella much of a space when you are traveling by land/air. (bus/plane/where ever)

And the list goes on

Sure some guys like meaty girls. Carry on gents, what ever pleases ya and vice visa.

I am just curious. Are you being pressured>>190568? It sounds like you have having trouble there bud. I could be wrong. If I am I apologize ahead of time.
>> Anonymous
>>190463

I don't know what it's like? I had a fucking heart attack, you prick. I lost all of my friends. I now eat through a fucking feeding tube. I was merely commenting that yes, the body image of young girls needed to be promoted. You asshole, I didn't even mention boys becuase I DON'T know what it's like for them. Wow.
>> Anonymous
Lets face it, the idea that "women should have perfect bodies" is a lot better than "do whatever the fuck you want and noone will care because we accept you" bullshit. Atleast the idea that both women AND men should be fit gives people something to shoot for other than sitting at home playing WoW all fucking day. The person in OP's pick is dangerously out of hand, but>>190568is also the other extreme. The only middle-ground is to atleast stay physically fit.
>> Anonymous
i hate fat fuckin pigs

"oh nice car! ur rich"

bitch look at me and look at you, how the FUCK do you think i got the money for this?

i hear 30 minutes of cardio a day is hard...
>> Anonymous
>>190610

Cut your hair, stop wearing makeup, and live as a male for one month.

You'll be overjoyed to go back to being a female once you get the snot beat out of you for not being a football player.

And, christ, like it's even HARD for women? ALL you have to do is be thin and use some facial scrubs to prevent acne. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. You don't need massive muscles or a fake tough guy attitude. And, holy FUCK you are deluded as shit if you think the emo look is "in". Kids get their noses broken just for dressing emo anymore and at the very least get comments made to their face almost daily. It's generally HATED.

Face it, dumb bitch. Men have to work about four times as hard to get into the popular image, compared to women who just need to eat 1200 calories per day and go jogging every now and then. Women also don't violently assault other women on a regular basis just for looking different.

>>190713

Shut up, that's your own problem. The fashion industry does not make you ana, you made yourself ana. Just like black metal does not cause school shootings. Stop making excuses because YOU warped your own mind by being mentally weak.
>> Anonymous
>>191293

my god, no wonder you get beat up, you shit.
i don't know where you live, but the 'emo' look is pretty in everywhere else. i think it's gross, anyone with common sense thinks it's gross, but it's in, you fucking idiot. get rid of that pent up testosterone, tough guy, before you start getting hammered every night and beat your wife and kids in a drunken stupor.
>> Anonymous
>>191293

Where the fuck do you live? Sounds like a horrible place.
>> Anonymous
>>191293

lookout everyone, internet tough guy comin' through!
>> Anonymous
>>191321
sounds like any moderately impoverished place I've ever seen.

The male pecking order is incredibly complex, competitive and potentially violent. To be respected amongst your male peers, you have to be competitive, and have a large skill set, and a respectable level of physical strength to fit in, in most cases. To be sought after by females, you have to be good with words, somewhat well known, have money, be independant, among many other things.

A girl can be awkward, unemployed and live with her parents at 23 and it's not too big a deal. If she's easy on the eyes and not a complete bore, she's an eligible bachelorette.

The only thing that girls seem to be bothered by is being accepted by the worst examples of their own gender (useless, caddy, mean-spirited shallow cunts who contribute nothing to society), who they'd be better off without.
>> Anonymous
>>191321
He lives in a place called the real world, where violence does actually happen.

Not a "horrible place", just the real fucking world, which you might see for yourself once you move out of mommy and daddies house in your middle-class neighbourhood.
>> Anonymous
>>191293
it comes naturally if you just act like a fucking man though.

but you are right, girls are allowed ot wear makup to cover up blemishes, the pill stops acne, guys have nothing. also the more testosterone you have, the more you breakout. so im fucked. thats one part i hate.

and you know what, fat girls have as much luck as fat guys in terms of getting laid
>> Anonymous
>>191362
so true, most of what makes a man attractive is based on merit and skill, which takes a lot of work to acheive.

on the other hand, all a girl has to do is look pretty, if she was born ugly, shes fucked. if a guy is born ugly, he can fight and claw his way to the top.

its pretty much even
>> Anonymous
>>191389
>fat girls have as much luck as fat guys
Fat guys can get some if they have money, fat girls have chubby chasers.

Doesn't sound like fat girls have to work as hard (at all) to get some.
>> Anonymous
>>191317

I don't get beat up, I'm saying most males have no problem being violent with other males just because they have different interests, are too fat or too thin, dress outside of the status quo, etc.

I've seen this shit happen and you can't stop it. If you try to stand up for someone, you get outnumbered and beaten up too. Example: Group of guys pass one or two gamer/emo kids, they make comments and either pass by them or stop and continually harass them, they wait for the singled out kids to make a single defensive comment and immediately start shoving them. They want to provoke these other people into verbal self-defense so they have an excuse to express physical violence...it happens a lot. It happens to gays, it happens to emos, it happens to fat nerds, it happens to skinny nerds, it happens to metal heads, it happens to stoners. It doesn't fucking matter. So-called alpha males travel in groups and do this shit every day and the only way to not be a target of it is to be look like someone who is not quite an alpha male, yet not quite a beta male or just be an alpha male yourself. Being different gets you verbally and physically assaulted in the male world almost daily, but it isn't so harsh for women.

And, no, the emo look is not in. It was the most popular around the end of 2005, but still garnered massive amounts of harassment and loathing from self-proclaimed normal people. If anything, the fashion status quo is no different than it was in 1998 for males...almost everyone either wears preppy type shit or hoodies and jeans. You only think emo is in because you sit on the Internet for 70% of your day and 60% of that Internet is probably used browsing chan sites and YouTube, where people talk about emo in both good and bad lights constantly.

People hate differences, welcome to life.
>> Anonymous
true, they just have to be sluts.

there's always a few super drunk guys who fuck a fatty putting out. doesn't work the other way though
>> Anonymous
>>191409
wrong. the guys who travel in packs to pick on people are beta males.

the guys that get shoved around and picked on are gamma/delta/epsilon males

Alpha males don't do shit like that, they don't have to pick on people to justify their confidence, they don't need the approval of others, and they don't take any shit from betas.

Alpha males are not weeaboos, they aren't metalheads(look like), they aren't emos, or gamers. They don't need a classification for self assurance
>> Anonymous
>>191415
There's a difference between being a man, and being machismo.
>> Anonymous
>>191399

Born ugly just means you need to get a decent career before age 25 and work for 2-3 years to afford nice surgery.

Besides, as long as you have a vagina you will find someone to rely on. Hell, even just being a submissive type of gay/bi guy will put you somewhat close to the female role in society. It all breaks into dominance and submissiveness, to be quite frank, and gender isn't so important as the social role you fill. Dominant types (the worker, handles money and all real life hard stuff, generally will be well educated and drive) will always look for the supportive submissive type (homely, needs the emotional stability provided by the dominant type, enjoys pleasing via cooking and cleaning).

The only reason gender can be applied is because our sex hormones, combined with our societal notions, often play a large role in developing these dominant or submissive traits. Women are usually more nurturing because it's their instinct, they know deep down their role in evolution is to have a baby and care for the baby because the male is physically stronger, which best suits him for the hunting of food and building of shelter. While both genders are fully capable of filling either role, we're naturally more inclined to one or the other based on our gender which is determined at birth.

Basically, if you're cute or hot or somewhere in between and have a sunny attitude and are willing to take up the role homely duties, you'll be a prime target for fucking by a successful dominant type and thus get to rely on that dominant person for support, potentially allowing you to NOT get a career.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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Beta Male.
>> Anonymous
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Delta Male. aka, you
>> Anonymous
>>191415
You seem to have "Loner" mixed up with "Alpha Male". The people that pick on whoever they they feel like are Betas, Gammas, and a prick Alpha who dictates their actions.

Alphas are in every social group, and fall into every niche there is (hell, I was the alpha among outcasts). In every situation with three or more people, especially males, a pecking order is always worked out, and one who would typically be a beta will eventually claim his place at the top.

Growing up, I was friends with a large number of social cliques, and it's very predictable. Females do this as well, and it's all too commonly the case that the worst personality always comes out on top. Whereas in the majority of the males' groups, the more respectable takes the dominant role. Well, that or the most imposing/violent.
>> Anonymous
>>191415

An Alpha male can be anything he wants. Being highly dominant does not mean you can't watch anime or be into D&D. You're mixing up personal interests with social and evolutionary rankings. The Alpha/Beta thing is largely just mental, it has little to do with physical stature or what you enjoy doing. This is not to say what you do as a hobby can't AFFECT your perceived role mentally. This is why I bring up physically competitive things like football...they train a male to take charge of a situation and compete against other males. I've known guys who I would consider Alpha that were short and scrawny, and I've known extremely submissive beta type who would physically kick almost anyone's ass if they had the mental drive to do so.

And, you're wrong. Alphas CONSTANTLY need self-assurance, THAT is what keeps them in Alpha status, since Alpha status is 99% mental. Sometimes, the assurance comes naturally (IE, making a great business deal because he is naturally a smooth talker and good with numbers or perhaps just winning an athletic event because he is naturally an excellent runner) and sometimes it is telegraphed simply because the Alpha needs to feel the need to show everyone that he IS an Alpha. Honestly, you need to be a dick to be considered an Alpha, but that isn't to say you need to be a BULLY. You might need to be a whip cracking asshole to get people to do what needs to be done, but you're definitely an Alpha because you are rallying and commanding others with success.

The reason a Beta remains a Beta is because he becomes complacent with his standing. An Alpha always seeks improvement and dominance.
>> Anonymous
Haha. An alpha male doesn't need to be buff and savagely handsome. It's pretty easy to figure out. An Alpha Male just doesn't seek approval, and isn't ashamed of himself.

A beta male seeks approval
A delta male is ashamed of himself.
A zeta male is ashamed of himself while seeking approval from everyone.
>> Anonymous
In movies and television: fat guys can have lean girlfriends or wives, not the other way around.

In real life: fat women can have lean boyfriends or husbands, not the other way around.
>> Anonymous
I was a jock in high school who played D&D with the biggest nerds, and I hated the way they presumed to give me some preferential status when I just wanted to play the game like they did.

Life is brutally simple on the surface, and cruelly, ironically complex in the details.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Protip: you can be overweight and healthy. In fact, fatties who exercise regularly, even if they are fat pieces of shit, are healthier than thin people who do not exercise regularly.
>> Anonymous
>>191434

Still, being an Alpha among Alphas is where the bullying comes into play. Trust me, I've seen it first hand many times. Alpha of Group A targets Alpha of Group B, etc.

Personally, I identify as a Beta who is not afraid to tell an Alpha to fuck off, but will gladly know when I should take a submissive role to an Alpha who is a strong leader. There is nothing wrong with NOT being an Alpha, because they need Betas and vice versa. They aren't always fighting with each other, it's just that every group needs someone with experience and charisma to be decisive, yet still willing to take criticism and suggestion from the Betas. I guess kind of consider myself like a well trained dog who isn't capable of giving the commands, but is just happy using his skills and education to execute commands and enjoys being patted on the back every now and then, yet if the "dog" determines his "master" is trying to hurt him, the dog isn't scared to bite.

Or something along those lines. Basically, I think the world would be a much nicer place if people were true to themselves and accepted who they naturally are. The people that make society suck are the Beta types who wrongfully think they SHOULD be Alpha types and vice versa...Alpha types who hide their true potential as great leaders.
>> Anonymous
>>191439

What's the Omega Man?
>> Anonymous
An alpha male is a leader.
>> Anonymous
>>191381
HEY LOOK, I'M A TOUGH MOTHERFUCKER
>> Anonymous
>>191439

>Haha. An alpha male doesn't need to be buff and savagely handsome. It's pretty easy to figure out. An Alpha Male is a nigger

>A beta male is a nigger
>A delta male is a nigger
>A zeta male is a nigger

fixed
>> Anonymous
>>191459

I agree...internet tough guys fucking EVERYWHERE!
>> Anonymous
>>191381

Sorry, I have a real job and can afford a middle class neighborhood.

The ghetto isn't the 'real world' , just yours you broke fuck.
>> Anonymous
>>191453
Omega man is an alpha who's successful. The man who did his own thing, lived his own life, and worked hard to be successful.
>> Anonymous
>>191439
i agree with this, but i want to add that an alpha male wont let himself get picked one either.

i hate to admit it but being physically strong is part of being a man
>> Anonymous
>>191463

beta male spotted
>> Anonymous
>>191439
So an alpha male could be a fat fuck?
>> Anonymous
>>191452
[>>191434here] I'm more the type of beta (lost my alpha status after high school - oh well) that works closely with the alpha, but then "betrays" them and takes over when they're no longer suited for their role, or will readily take control in a situation where no one volunteers/is as qualified as me to take lead.
>> Anonymous
I like anime, i like computer games, i listen to metal.

but i look like a jock, lift weights, and I"m pretty strong and muscular.

this allows me to do what i want to do and not be fucked with by pricks. Certain big dudes have this air of respect around them, they are nice guys and gentlemen, and dont peacock around.
>> Anonymous
>>191463
>>191459
Samefag

Also no, not really. I don't know where you guys live, but where I live (Essex, England) violence amongst young people over petty things like stereotypes is VERY common indeed. Go out dressed like an emo or whatever in certain places and you WILL be beaten up, that's a GUARANTEE

Where the fuck do you guys live, where there's no such thing as violence? I'd love to go there some day
>> Anonymous
Guys I just don't agree that a true alpha has a little pack of beta rats to protect himself with
>> Anonymous
>>191480
Then stop looking like a victim.
>> Anonymous
>>191469

Being physically strong is just one way to deal with being targeted. That's the "fire with fire" approach and it's perfectly valid, but don't discredit being clever or having money as means to route being targeted as a potential victim.

The whole Alpha/Beta/Gamma/etc. shit is just politics in modern society. Being considered Alpha doesn't NECESSARILY mean you are better than anyone else, it just means you have social control over certain people. That's what all this shit really breaks down to.

Certainly, not every Alpha is equal. Someone who is an Alpha among Group X might come up to me and I can see through his bullshit almost instantly and choose to never associate with him again, but Group Y's Alpha might have an influence over me for any number of reasons.

At the end of the day, you can pick and choose who you hang out with...it doesn't really matter. Just be true to yourself and find happiness...that's what life is about.
>> Anonymous
>>191480

It's a nice place called [spoiler] the civilized world [/spoiler]
>> Anonymous
>>191484
This is why weightlifting is so awesome. it gives you the confidence and physical ability to have a sort of "shell of immunity" around you from most bullying and violence, and lets you be yourself. Some people might see it as a kind of addiction or crutch, but I see it as medication for life.
>> Anonymous
>>191483
You can't be an alpha by yourself, it just doesn't work that way.

If you see a stray dog that seems to be doing OK, do you say to yourself "this dog is clearly an alpha in his own right!", or do you assume that he has been lost/abandoned for a long time, but figured out enough to survive?

Humans are social, heiarchial creatures, you can't be the leader of no one.
>> Anonymous
>>191479

Personally, I try to get to know people. I seem to be immune to the "immediately respect a guy just because he's in good physical shape" mindset.
>> Anonymous
>>191487
okay i see where we are differing in our discussion, I'm using the terms to describe a personality, where other people are using them to describe social hierarchies
>> Anonymous
>>191480
>Where the fuck do you guys live, where there's no such thing as violence? I'd love to go there some day

Canada. There's violence, but I rarely see it and never on a daily basis. Are you sure you don't live in the fucking Gaza Strip?
>> Anonymous
>>191480
"Looking like a victim" = Looking emo

>>191490
Well good for you, maybe you could pay the real world a visit sometime, it'd be a healthy life experience for you.

Seriously, I really fucking hate it when rich kids (like you) in upper class neighbourhoods laugh at people who grew up having to deal with violence and tension every day at school
>> Anonymous
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I'm an Alpha male /fit/.

And girls want to fuck alpha males. Let it piss you off as much as you want, but you know it's completely true. That girl you like who is kinda cute in a weird way, but is totally sweet and you have the biggest crush on? The one who keeps going back to guys who treat her wrong for reasnos you don't understand? The one who calls you up at 1 am to cry about how her boyfriend hasn't called her in 3 days, and no matter how long you listen to her, she'll never think of you as anything other than asexual? The one who will curl up next to you on the couch, hug you close, kiss you on the cheek, and never let you fucking touch her beyond that?

Yeah, I'm fucking her.

The hot girl who won't even look at you when you nod at them and smile? The one who laughs when you trip in the hallway and drop your stuff? The one who comes up and coyly aks for your help with her homework, and then pretends you don't exist once you finish?

Yeah, I'm fucking her too, even harder.

The geeky girl you think might be enough like you that you have a chance with her? She plays warcraft on your server, and watches anime, and reads comics? She's so incredible and you just love her so much but you still haven't worked up the courage to tell her how you feel about her?

Guess who just sucked me off and told me they'll always love me?
>> Anonymous
>>191474
>>191474
>>191474
>>191474
This needs to be addressed.
>> Anonymous
>>191500
no, its more so the look in his eyes, the way he carries himself, etc. the less aggressive and boistrous he is, the more respect i give,hes okay with taking jabs at himself etc because he only have to prove shit to himself.


and its not a stray dog, its more like a grizzly bear
>> Anonymous
>>191492

No. If anything, walking around in a tight shirt trying to show off your muscles is a perfect way to be targeted as a victim. Working out doesn't mean you know how to fight and it certainly doesn't protect you from taking a 2x4 to the head or being shot.

This is why I stress the politics issue. Physical strength is only one part of the equation, but you have to have a highly political mindset to both garner respect and retain it for long periods of time. You can cause or avoid any type of violence you want if you're a clever person with a mindset for political success. A brute would walk around thinking his work outs gave him some type of protection, a clever man would just know how to avoid or mold the situations.

Why do you think all the tough guys are in the Marines carrying out the orders of a flabby old Texan?
>> Anonymous
>>191508
no i don't think he can, because he doesn't treat himself with respect. there is an underlying self destructive behavior that merits a lack of self control and integrity.

he could have a genetic handicap, but still is no excuse
>> Anonymous
>>191505
"There's violence, but I rarely see it and never on a daily basis."

Well just be thankful then and shut the fuck up
>> Anonymous
>>191510
i think you are missing the point. it takes a level of willpower and dedication to get strong, these learned skills have carryover to other everyday tasks, they help you keep focused, they help you grind through things or motivate you do acheive. Personally, after lifting weights i found myself having much more self control and willpower to accomplish things, my study habits are much better, and I face my problems instead of avoiding them
>> Anonymous
>>191474

Certainly. It's ALL politics and a dominant mindset. Look at Gabe Newell or Michael Moore. They're successful as fuck and command their own companies now, despite being fat nerds all of their lives. Michael Moore is the ultimate clever Alpha, because he just uses contradictions to achieve massive success and liberal people flock to his hollow words. He's an Alpha among liberals. Newell is an Alpha among gamers and programmers.

Hell, Hawking is an Alpha among scientists, and he weighs like 75 pounds and really can't even talk.
>> Anonymous
>>191506
Jesus Christ, settle down. Quit being a little prick.
>> Anonymous
Guys have it so much easier than they fucking realize. No one gives a shit if they're ugly. If you're a female and you're not beautiful then you're screwed. Girls have to spend time on make-up and hair and all that shit to please STRANGERS. All guys have to do is make sure their underwear isn't spilling out.

The fucking advertisement companies are making it seem like being model-status beautiful is normal and takes no effort. If you could compare the beautiful of years ago when photoshop didn't exist to the beautiful now, you'd see how ridiculous and unrealistic it all is.

Besides, everything is shopped. EVERYTHING.
>> Anonymous
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tl;dr:

life isn't easy, really think about your actions
>> Anonymous
>>191521
all of these men have dedicated themselves to one thing or another, i agree now, an alpha male can be a fat fuck. Its more about the mentality than how you look. but you will be targeted as a victim if you look like one
>> Anonymous
>>191520

You're confused, though. You're just using one mean to achieve this discipline and control and confidence.

The goal is the confidence, etc. You can get it working out, sure, but you can also get it by building an economic empire from scratch.

If I look at a ripped ass Navy SEAL, I'd surely think to myself that he is dedicated and driven. But I think the same thing if I look at Bill Gates or remember Mother Theresa, the former is a nerd with a bad hair cut and the latter was a plain looking old women.

I mean, I've also known plenty of gym rats who had pretty much NO self-control or discipline OUTSIDE of their work outs...they were annoying assholes who drank too much at parties.

So, working out helps you achieve your goals and confidence, that's great, but don't you dare think it's somehow the only means to achieve success.
>> Anonymous
>>191509
Your comparison is invalid, as bears don't rely nearly as much on social structure as dogs and people.

Someone can be a loner and still be an impressive, confident person, I'm not really arguing that. But by definition they can't possibly be an alpha, as there's nothing to really "alpha" over, no dominance or subservience going on.
>> C.C. Pizzabutt !!b7mYazat7Gi
Funny how they didn't use an ugly child for this.

Also song kicks ass. Simian - La Breeze, btw.
>> Anonymous
>>191533
those aren't the people im talking about. assholes drunk at parties are not the people i am describing. im talking about olympic weightlifters etc.

>>191536
Maybe the fact that I don't see the classic alpha as truly alpha, keeps me from becoming a victim
>> Anonymous
>>191506

I'm not rich, and I'm not a kid, I'm 32.

The problem is your generation is nothing but a pack of pussies. Violence in school? Cry me a river. When I was in school it was the accepted and encouraged way to settle a dispute between two boys. Someone's picking on you and pushing you around? You punch him in the damn mouth. He might kick your ass for it, but after that it was settled.

Maybe if you had stood up for yourself instead of crying like a bitch you wouldn't have been picked on so much. Or maybe if your father taught you how to be a man and shrug it off.

Go somewhere else with your schoolboy shit, there's real violence in the world and those of us with a brain found the resources to get the fuck out of it and into a nice neighborhood.
>> Anonymous
>>191532

Until you DO achieve your success, yes, your physical looks MAY garner hate, but that in itself either builds character/discipline or wittles it away. If you adapt to the harassment, you become a better and more driven person.
>> Anonymous
The first one of the two is really good as well. It's all true.
>> Anonymous
>>191545
ie, people whining on the board about alpha males instead of beating them (not beating up)
>> Anonymous
>>191544
Exactly, people need to stop being bitches, and stop externalizing their problems. ie; "its not my fault". Life is shit, wear a helmet.

There is a severe lack of work ethic on this board
>> Anonymous
>>191543
Sounds more like you insist on denying a definition.

I'm guessing you're so socially removed from friends and family, yet sure of yourself, you feel the need to defend that you're a cool guy, but utterly socially inept. Something tells me you're already a victim, the lost dog who's learned to survive, but in a very human fashion you've developed a lie to live behind to protect yourself from a very harsh reality, and to remove the responisiblity of finding a rung on a social ladder.

I don't care what you say, you'll never be completely immune to what makes you a human being.
>> Anonymous
Fat women are disgusting. The loli in that ad is eminently fuckable. These are the only thoughts inspired in my head by that commercial.
>> Anonymous
>>191480

lol ok, just keep believing you live in gangsta-vil. How's that mussel coming along, btw?
>> Free Pepsi !!iXxa+hO94Mg
I agree with the commercial, parents should talk to their children before the industry does.

I like girls who are fit, active and healthy. Super thin super-models or Paris Hilton types are bit too much on the rib-cage skeleton side. And on the other side, fat bitches are gross.
>> Anonymous
The industry doesn't go out and talk to girls. It really doesn't give a damn either way--if fat were cool, the fashion industry would be catering to that look.

*WE* as a society like thin women. Women as much as men want to see pictures of thin women and to dreaming of being thin. Fat feels disgusting and it *is* unhealthy. Sure, mention some fat guys that don't pant after one flight of stairs... but the fact remains that fat people wear out their joints earlier and age faster.

The fashion industry is just supplying a need, same as any other industry. This commercial was made because we're all cunts who can't admit that WE as a society set the trends collectively.
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>>191584
I bet you think boobs feel like bags of sand
>> Anonymous
I think girls and boys both have it pretty tough.

Girls have the vicious, 'Regina' type girls that spread rumors and hurt them emotionally, mostly, and on the other hand, guys have the stupid assholes that try to push them around for being different, and usually hurt them physically. The thing is, is guys seem to take it better and learn from the douches and are tougher from it, but girls seem to just go downhill once the brats start picking on them.

Idunno. i'm a girl and I see it happen a lot on both sides. I have two brothers, but they're not bad guys and they're pretty respected, and I have a sister who's... different and she seems to avoid that too. I don't think that mean people are divided into gender. I just think that everyone has it tough at some point.

So why don't we all stop fighting and just hug it out?!
>> Anonymous
>>191591

Lol wut?
>> Anonymous
>>191480

well. i live in austin texas. we're all just a bunch of flaming homos, stoners, and tan bitchy college girls so i guess i have it pretty easy.
>> Anonymous
>>191605

The reason we don't "hug it out" is limited resources. Once you and a girlfriend take a liking to the same guy, you'll see. Meowr.
>> Anonymous
people are actually defending emos ;_;

>>191293

i fucking agree with you dude, these fags deserve to get the SHIT beat out of them every damn day they dress like they do.

i keep forgetting that everyone on 4chan these days are emo kids, i thought they only went to /b/ though
>> Anonymous
>>191552

REAL MEN DON'T WEAR HELMETS RARRRRGGHH
>> Anonymous
>>191559
.... perhaps
>> BARNABY JONES
I have an idea. How about BALANCE, you know, that thing "middle path" thing? All things in proportion. Underweight, overweight are both bad, it's all about a middleground. I don't believe that this ad is trying to promote fatties, it's trying to stop healthy girls from thinking that they need to be thinner (ie less healthy).
>> Anonymous
sure is a lot of BAWWW'ing in this thread
>> Anonymous
Long post here.

First, the commercial wasn't saying, "it's ok to be obese, go ahead and down that gallon of Ben and Jerry's, fatty." It was making the point that there is a hell of a lot of focus on being hot for women. It's not saying "OMG we womynz haf it sooooo tough!11" It merely points out the seduction the beauty industry has over women, that you need to be beautiful to accomplish anything as a female. Plenty of brilliant, successful women have changed the world for the better, but if these women are unattractive we tend to discount their merit--look at Eleanor Roosevelt. Yeah, we have to study her (maybe) for a whole hot second in school but once you see her horse face her accomplishments seem to fade out while everyone laughs and makes crude sexual innuendo about her. Abraham Lincoln was fucking hideous, and what about Taft? Could you imagine a woman of the same weight accomplishing any prestigious political office? Would you vote for her? Taft said that "everyone loves a fat man" but it seems that most of 4chan and many around the world agree--nobody loves a fat woman. Fat men can be merry and funny. Fat women are thought of as pathetic, worthless masses with no self control. I understand that this is 4chan and you can't expect everyone to see clearly or evenly, but listen here, males of /fit/--the video in the OP was not accusing you of having an easy time with body issues. Consider this, as well: think of all of the cosmetic surgery available for women. Botox, tummy-tucks, boob jobs, surgeries to remove all of your wrinkles and deformities. Men could get these surgeries too, but is there real pressure for them to? It's not enough that women have to be thin, have to have perfect skin and glossy, shiny hair, but we have to pay thousands of dollars to fix all of our anatomical flaws as well? Please, for one second, abandon your prejudice and consider the idea that it is hard to placate the modern standard of beauty.
>> Anonymous
>>191761here, continuing.

Not all women are voracious cunts trying to get your money, and we don't all fuck some guy for an easy ride through life. You may have met some petty fucking bitches in your life, but integrity is not limited to one sex. Life is hard for both genders. And here is a secret for you: no matter how ugly you are, you can find someone uglier than you and shack up with them. Guys can get uglier women than them to reaffirm their masculinity and use for sexual and financial means, the same way that many men accuse women of doing this same thing.

Believe me, I know that guys have it hard. I can't begin to imagine the pressure it takes to have to harden yourself emotionally to all challenges, to not be able to cry when enraged or depressed or deeply frustrated. I can't imagine the way that guys push each other around, and the physical violence heaped on guys who don't live up to this ideal of masculinity. I would further flesh out this list, but I'm not a guy, and I haven't experienced these kinds of pressures. It is rather extremist to say that>>190568
is being sexist, but instead she is just expressing her opinion on the position she is familiar with. She's not male, and she's not saying that women have it easier than men. She's saying that these gender stereotypes are hard on women. We both face the same problem, only directed in different ways. We have our culture superimposing a label on us--it's not that without it, we'd all be obese or gay or effeminate or dykey.
>> Anonymous
>>191763
>>191761still continuing onwards.

The point of this is that without these stereotypes it would be easier to accept ourselves for who we are. You can work out and become totally fit, but why should anyone starve themselves to attain an image that only commercials find attractive? Why should any guy pop a shit ton of pills and destroy his health to look like this idea of a man that many, if not most, women find unappealing anyway? Why should we undergo expensive corrective surgeries because our nose is slightly too pointy or round or roman or flat? Why should anyone with decent teeth undergo a painful orthonathic surgery to completely fix a slightly-imperfect bite, putting themselves at risk for serious TMJ? I'm all for self improvement. Everyone should try and be healthy, it makes you happier, it makes you live longer. When you look better, it boosts your self esteem. But sometimes genetics give you irregularly greasy skin that regular washing doesn't fix, and sometimes your genes give you small breasts, or a flat butt (or an overly round one), or a certain general body type (and I'm not using that as an excuse for obesity here). Why should we constantly live in hatred of who we are, and make ourselves miserable for nothing?

anyway, tl;dr, but if there are three things I can leave you with, they are these: first, the video was about the extremes we take to make our bodies appeal to a mass-produced image, not a welcoming call to obesity. Secondly, both sexes have a lot to deal with as far as body image and gender stereotyping go.
>> Anonymous
>>191761
>>191763
Thanks so fucking much for actually pointing out the obvious to all the HURR DURR and internet tough guys who think girls have it rough. Both sexes have pros and cons, get the shit over it.
>> Anonymous
>>191767
>>191763
>>191761and I think this is the end of my statement.

Thirdly, I did not make my gender apparent to garner special attention or interest. I merely wanted to present a true and honest argument for an issue that I care for. Please know that I mean no animosity, no hatred, and seek no special treatment from this board. All I ask is for five seconds of open mindedness before things devolve into memery and profanity.
>> Anonymous
>>191771

In b4 tits or gtfo.
>> Anonymous
>>191771
I want to be your friend. You sound like a vastly entertaining person to talk with.

do you have aim :(
>> Anonymous
>>191784

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