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Hey /fit/, does the number of reps in a set matter? For example, if I do five sets of 50 situps, am I getting any more of a workout than 10 sets of 25?

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>> Anonymous
Long asshole answer: Do one pushup at a time 100 times in one hour. Then do a set of 100 pushups.

Short answer: Yes.

Explanation: None

Rule of thumb: Low weight/high rep = "tone" (I hate that term); high weight/low rep = gain mass and strength. For bodyweight resistance exercises, save them for the end of the workout, then pump out as many as you can.
>> Kung-FU
>>161393

you are an idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>161393

So yeah, that makes no fucking sense.
>> Anonymous
>>161393
wrong

high rep = muscular endurance, no size, no strength
lower rep = size
even lower rep = size and strength
1 - 5 rep = strength

these are not really accurate numbers, its just an example.

if you rs Starting Strength, Mark Rippetoes book in pdf, theres a good chart in there that shows you the rep range benefits. anything over about 20 is stupid for any goal
>> Anonymous
>>161412

Stop promoting this fucking farce. You've been bringing up "Starting Strength" about six times a day for the last week and we all know you're the exact same brainwashed faggot.
>> Anonymous
From personal experience I have found that low weight, and high reps gives you muscle tone, and endurance but no actual muscle mass.

To answer your question if you did 5 sets of 50 you would build more muscle seeing as how longer activities such as those tear more muscle, muscle is just torn tissues that regrow of course so the 50 x 5 would tear more giving you better muscles less tone.

25x10 would give you better tone less muscle in this scenario, but seeing as how its sit ups were tlaking about it would be best to do 25x10 to get the best look and tone out of your work out.
>> Anonymous
>>161415

Rippitoe is an ok plan, not great, but ok.

You have to eat a ton, and be able to properly pace your effort throughout the workout though, or you wont be able to do it.
>> Anonymous
>>161433

Tou be fair, you're wrong. You can;t tone your muscles, it doesn;t make any sense.

And whatever weightlifting you do, you hypertrophy. Ever wonder why powerlifters are jacked too? They didn't all start as bodybuilders, did they?

Also, doing 5 sets of 50 would not build more muscle, because in order to do 50 reps, you have to use a very minimal load, so it really deosn't tear much muscle.

tl;dr, don't listen to this douche, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
>> Anonymous
>>161434
what is a better routine to start someone lifting weights, and learning how to do the main barbell compound lifts?

what else should i promote?
>> Anonymous
>>161440

Dumbfuck. Toning just means you aim to make them slightly more defined without gaining large bulbous muscles. When people "tone" their goal is to see maybe a 5% increase in muscle mass, not much more, and this coupled with a lot of cardio and a balanced diet.

Doing more reps with less weight results in much less bulk gain, which is what most people want because looking like The Hulk isn't exactly sexy.
>> Anonymous
>>161451
Ultimately, the size of your muscles isn't determined by the rep scheme. it is determined by what you are eating.

eat within a range that would sustain say 165lbs, lift heavy weights in low reps. and low and behold, you end up being strong and ripped @ 165lbs.

do the same but lift light weights in high reps, and low and behold, you have some endurance but you look smooth and soft
>> Anonymous
>>161442
just start with a low weight to get the technique right
>> Anonymous
>>161463
obviously, but aim to add 5 - 10lbs per week, and keep reps low.

for a beginner this is much easier, because after 5 reps your concentration starts to wane and your form can loosen.
>> Anonymous
>>161457

That was one big contradiction.
>> Anonymous
>>161472


how so
>> Anonymous
>>161463

To be fair thats what starting strength does.

Honestly, its a good program for anyone who is a newbie who can't get one on one training.
>> Anonymous
>>161472

okay i understand what you are saying.

think about it this way.

lets say the muscular and size potential of the body is represented by a painting.

your nutrition is the frame of that painting, how you train is the content of the painting. if you want a bigger painting/bulky/hueg. you must eat more.

keep the "frame" (nutrition) within a range you desire, and you have that much bodyweight to work with. your rep scheme and weight on the bar will determine how beautiful a painting it is, but it will only be as large as the frame/calories consumed.

so are you going to do some 8x8 splotches and finger paints, or are you going to lift heavy and low reps and create an 8x8 masterpiece of oil paints?

i am currently eating less food, to KEEP my weight at a steady 180lbs, until i gain more strength. i could lift heavy and hard for years and im not going to get bigger muscles and gain a single lb because im not eating enough calories to allow it. BUT, you are gonna be damn sure that my body will adapt to the super heavy weight training and maximize muscle strength, density, CNS, and eat up as much bodyfat as possible to make room for muscle.

the result? ripped and strong at 180lbs. of course you have to make sure your macronutrients are done correctly but the overall caloric intake determines weight.
>> Free Pepsi !!iXxa+hO94Mg
Sets, Reps, Load, and Rest Intervals matter, depending on if you want maximum strength or hypertrophy or definition (though if you start out, you get a little bit of both if you train for maximum strength). This just depends on your program. You should get a trainer to assess your body and then follow their instructions.
>> Anonymous
you cannot emphasize definition by choosing a certain rep scheme. this is ultimately decided by your nutrition and metabolism speed.
>> Anonymous
>>161540
ie, definition = muscle and low bodyfat. the lower the bodyfat, the more definition. 3% bodyfat you see rips and striation and veins and shit. if you melted all the fat off a powerlifter they would look like that.

but lower bodyfat makes you weaker, and thats bad for a powerlifter.

strength starts to decline at about 12% bodyfat and below
>> Anonymous
Stop saying tone. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. FUCK.
>> Anonymous
>>161548
true, there is NO SUCH THING AS TONE.


LOW BODYFAT + MUSCLE
>> Anonymous
>>161543

Well, it doesn't necessary make them weaker, but with the lower bodyfat, they will bench less, because they have to bench it farther due to the smaller stomach
>> Anonymous
>>161556
no its not like that.

they have less glycogen available to them, and i think there are more things to it as well.

bodybuilders are strongest in the off season when they are fat, and weakest on competition day when they are 3% bodyfat
>> thankfull.lurker.is.thankfull Anonymous
>>161412

ppl like u make lurking here not a complete waste of my tiem. TY
>> Anonymous
>>161562

It really is like that, I mean it's an extra inch they don't have to lift.

I'm pretty sure you're right as well though