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Anonymous
What martial art do you do? Be critical to your own arts and indicate both the good and the bad sides to it. I do Jiu Jitsu (traditional with some modern kickboxing influences), and the good side of it is that its alround, you can break joints and learn pressurepoints, and counters to almost any atack. de bad side is that the hitting is like in most martial arts too long of a movement and that the techniques are too complicated for me to effectively use in street combat. now you
>> Anonymous
Krav Maga (IKMF)
Good:
-No quarter
-Hybrid
-Easy to learn
-Hard to Forget
-Simple yet efficient movements
-As realistic as possible

Bad:
-Half-assed striking techniques
>> Anonymous
i do muay thai, BJJ and MMA

not really any cons apart from when i go BJJ in Gi as in in a real life situation they might not be wearing anything that can be used so strangle them like a Gi.

I also Sparr with boxers (yorkshire champion) cons of boxing is- low kicks, submissions and take downs, lack of use of kicks elbows and knees.
>> Anonymous
Tang Soo Doo
Good:
Really good striking technique
Great balence of stretching Sparring, and forms
Good sparring
Great jumping kicks
Good commitment from most members

Bad:
Poor beginner retention (takes a long time to move up the ladder, very strict)
Pretty anal sometimes
>> Anonymous
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WingTsun Kung Fu
Good:
-realistic self defense
-no quarter
-reflexive training
-theory makes sense (open to question - not just blind following of traditional doctrine)
-physical supremacy not necessary
-train to use the greater power of your attacker against them
-mean
-chi sau training (if you know, you know)

Bad:
-not enough ground fighting (in my school anyway)
-takes too long and too much training before beginning real sparring/lat sau
-can be hard to learn initially
>> Anonymous
Judo

Good
-very effective throws
-teaches how to fall safely
-decent ground game with submissions
-teaches how to keep your balance while being shoved around
-a lot of unrehearsed practice (randori/sparring)
-can be trained with or without a gi
-it will make you tough

Bad
-no striking (except in the kata)
-only training the sport version can give you bad habits
-some schools are obsessed with tradition
-usually only a limited number of submissions are taught
-takes time to get any good at (at least ~1year with constant practice)
>> Anonymous
ITT kids who go to Mcdojo's and pretend they are from animes
>> Anonymous
Just started Judo.

Good:

It teaches you both how to throw and how to take a throw so that you're not injured,

It starts off teaching you very simple yet powerful mat techniques.

A smaller guy with good technique can easily throw a bigger guy. He can also hold him down if he controls the head, shoulder, and elbow.

Cons:

Like>>398385said, many throws and holds depend on gripping the gi. If you're in a street fight, it's going to be much more difficult to grip your attacker to throw him.
>> Anonymous
>>398419
and then talk shit about fighting and babble on and on about honor this and bushido that.

it's like they think that having a code of honor makes up for the fact that they pay 300 dollars am onth for a philosophy class and never learn how to fight.
>> Anonymous
ITT: internet tough guys.
inb4 shitstorm lol
>> Anonymous
MMA.
Good:
One of, if not the best, 1 on 1 unarmed fighting style you can get.
Bad:
No training for multiple attackers.
>> Anonymous
>>398427
Actually very few throws are dependent on the gi to work. Every throw I know has a variation that will work without a gi.
>> Anonymous
i've practiced boxing, BJJ and Judo in my times

Boxing:

Good:

teaches you how to punch with power and precision

conditions you very well

eaches you economics of fighting (no flashiness)
easy to learn

great for street fights because there are no "moves" just technique that gets easier as you practice more.

great footwork


bad:

limits its techniques to only punching

emphasizing the sport aspect can leave you missing out on some great "dirty boxing" that can come in handy on the street
>> Anonymous
>>398407
>WingTsun Kung Fu
>Good:
-can effectively fight people who do wing chun/wing tsun/ving tsun/water closet/etc.

>Bad:
--can only effectively fight people who do wing chun/wing tsun/ving tsun/water closet/etc.
>> Anonymous
BJJ

Good:
- great groundwork
- emphasizes technique over all else and the ability to pwn others with little work
- its unexpected in a street fight so its fun to dodge a punch and tackle and take them down
- its methodology is strict and has heavy emphasis on real sparring every practice session

bad:
- only ground work
- not too much emphasis on throw and more emphasis on take downs
- too much emphasis on sport and people think that lying on their back waitng for someone to jump into their guard is a good tactic
>> Anonymous
>takes too long and too much training before beginning real sparring

I like that I got to spar doing ground fighting during the second practice I went to. At first I was like, *shrug*. Then, I realized I already knew two holds, a choke, an armbar, and a way to turn an opponent over from a defensive position into a hold.
>> Anonymous
>>398446
>people think that lying on their back waitng for someone to jump into their guard is a good tactic
I think this is something noobs do because so much guard work is taught. More experienced guys work for side-control, mount, or taking the back over pulling guard.
>> Anonymous
>>398449
definatley, i agree with 100%.

but how many people do you know reach the level of being able to use bjj effectively? its a very hard sport and most people i know only do it consistently for 1-2 years. Those are the people who try to pull royce gracie moves and get fucked up and then quit because they tihnk bjj is useless.
>> Anonymous
>>398444

Is that based on personal experience?

In my school we mostly work water closet against striking arts like Muay Thai and western boxing. To be honest, it's not until much later that students work water closet vs. water closet. At my school anyway.
>> Anonymous
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Octagon
Good:
-Chuck Norris

Bad:
-N/A
>> Anonymous
MMA

good:
- it's fun
- useful for both competition and streetfights

bad:
- not that good a school
- too little conditioning
- competitons not legal here (norway), so too much emphasisis on ground work bcause it's the only thing we compete in.

but then again, it's not that great a school.
>> 0/10
>>398407

>WingTsun Kung Fu
Good:
-realistic self defense

oh come on, that's not even a good troll
>> Anonymous
Depends on the dojo. A good dojo does a lot of full contact sparring/randori/roda etc, does lots of conditioning, and doesn't have a ridiculous belt system.

And stop thinking that you can beat people because you know martial arts. I am a blackbelt at judo and do 2 years muay thai, and when people ask me 'what would you do in a fight', i say 'i knee his balls and run'.
>> Anonymous
>>398480

Really? No offense, but do you have any experience to back that up? I mean, have you ever tried it?

WingTsun gets hate around here and I don't understand it.
>> Shawn Eater !DboU7yuujg
>>ITT kids who go to Mcdojo's and pretend they are from animes
>> Aikido Aikido
I train Aikido for a few years now.

Good:
* You learn how to use the attacker's force against him.
* Effective even when you are small and not strong
* Good falling techniques
* great philosophy
* Its lots of fun throwing people and getting thrown around :)

Bad:
* purely defensive
* difficult to learn
>> Anonymous
>>398498
The problem with wing chun, and it's derivatives, is that it's all theory based and ignores reality. Trapping just isn't a practical martial art skill. It requires too much fine motor skill and for both people to stay within a very narrow range from each other. It's easily neutralized by taking a step backwards, a step to the side, or moving in close for a clinch.

Then of course there's always CHAIN PUNCHES LOL!
>> Anonymous
>>398495
the problem is that good dojos are few and far in between. too many people get duped into paying moeny every month for the idea of learnign to control their fears and learning how to not be afraid instead of learning how to fight.

when they get called out on this bullshit, they laugh and try to pretendt hey're involved in some deep bushido samurai BS that is above fighting.
>> Anonymous
>>398506
>* difficult to learn
The thing most people don't understand is that aikido was never meant for beginners to learn. All of Ueshiba's students were already highly ranked in judo, jujutsu, karate, etc. Not the best analogy, but a beginner to martial arts taking up aikido is like a kindergardener trying to learn algebra.
>> Anonymous
>>398509

This is inconsistent with my experience.
>> Anonymous
>>398498

Wing Tsun might be very effective, but it sucks because its goal is to kill. Welcome to the 21st century. If you want to kill somebody get a gun.
>> Anonymous
Typical Wing Tsun class: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZUibPr6kU

Notice how almost everything is done with a completely compliant partner. They just stand there and let the other guy do the moves. The only unrehearsed part, chi sao, was done slowly and would only work on someone also trying to do chi sao.
>> Anonymous
>>398524
PROTIP: Not even cavemen considered hand-to-hand combat effective. Also, if you look at most ancient martial arts(ju-jitsu or muay boran) they ALL have weapons training in them.

Unarmed combat is not an effective weapon by any means. Martial arts where invented for conditioning, religious purposes or competition.
>> Anonymous
>>398524
If you shoot someone in a fist fight you're convicted of murder. If you break someone's neck in a fistfight you get manslaughter or an acquittal for self-defence
>> Anonymous
>>398524

Again, that hasn't been what I've experienced in WingTsun. I can't really speak on WC or other derivatives, but I've never heard that the goal in WingTsun is to kill. In fact, in our school we have to study our native legal system and what constitutes legal self defense (one factor being proportional response to the perceived threat). And as you pointed out, if the goal was to kill I'm sure a gun or other weapon is a much more efficient approach.
>> Anonymous
>>398541
Care to explain why some koryu Jujutsu schools specifically train to fight opponents in armor? I fail to see how that would be applicable to conditioning, religion, or competition.
>> Anonymous
>>398524

9/10
>> Anonymous
>>398559
The goal of Wing Tsun was for Leung Ting to stroke his own ego. It only split from Wing Chun because of internal politics and squabbling.
>> Anonymous
>>398539

That's a great video and a good example of how WingTsun training works. You're absolutely right that much of the training is done with a compliant partner. But that's just the training. Free sparring, chi sau sparring and/or lat sau are different altogether. Also, the purpose of chi sau is not to train against the eventuality that you encounter an opponent who also does chi sau. It's to develop reflex training and sensitivity once contact is made in an exchange.

Video of how WingTsun training is applied in sparring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzwUilgzi4

(these are mostly beginner students)
>> Anonymous
>>398598
All I see are some idiots playing at MMA with horrible technique.
>> Anonymous
>>398598

oh god 0:10
CANT
STOP
LAUGHING

ALSO, all i see are shitty attempts at everything. Punches, kicks, knees, clinches, throws, groundwork... It's basically shitty MMA with lulzworthy chambered punches
>> Anonymous
BJJ
Good:
Its fun
It keeps me in shape
Competition
Theres nothing like the satisfaction you get from choking someone out

Bad
Not gonna be useful in a streetfight
Quite a bit of martial arts politics
>> Anonymous
Jun Fan Gung-Fu (Jeet Kune Do)

Good:
-Striking technique
-Evasive techniques
-Martial Theory
-Grappling

Bad:
-Fucking hard to learn
-Unstructured learning system, you learn techniques whenever your instructor feels like teaching them.
-Requires good fitness level
>> Anonymous
>>398876
>-Requires good fitness level
Since when is this a bad thing?
>> Anonymous
>>398905
Can hamper your progress. Fatties have a hard time being mobile (at first.)
>> Anonymous
>>398909
It's there own fault for being fat in the first place.
>> Anonymous
Anyone here do muay thai? im interested in learning what are the pros and cons?
>> Anonymous
bump. by the way, can anyone tell me why jumping kicks could be usefull in any way? and exept for wing chun, gung tau and pukulan, are there any styles where strikes take less than 0.25 seconds?
>> Anonymous
>>398939
Yeah I do

Muay Thai
Good:
Vicious attacks...elbows to the dome are no joke
Good use of your whole body to strike
Excellent conditioning
Makes you tough as fuck

Bad
No head movement/slips/weaves etc
Basically you stand toe to toe with the other guy and hope that you're tougher and hit harder
>> Anonymous
>>398967
>take less than 0.25 seconds?

Boxing
>> Anonymous
A lot of folks do bjj en MMA, now theyre definetly good, but the movements are too long and not that fast... anyone (dis)agrees?
>> Anonymous
>>398980

boxers need to stretch their entire arm. the build up to the punch takes usually more than half a second right? (i've done some boxing)
>> Anonymous
>>398992
The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye
>> Anonymous
>>398992
From your description I honestly don't think you've done any boxing.
>> Anonymous
>>398967
Mike tyson at his prime averaged 4 punches per second, which is one punch per 0.25 sec. And he weighed 100kg.
>> Anonymous
>>398988
totaly disagree. they can't snatch a fly from your hand using chopsticks but they're fast enough to fake a punch and knock you the fuck out before you even realize it.
>> Anonymous
Aikido
Pros
Learning how to fall without injuring yourself
Joint locking concepts, learning how the body can work.
Footwork
Knife, sword, and staff defense.
Learning points of balance.
Building up intenal strength and leg strength.

Cons
Weak against sustained striking techniques(fuck shomenuci and yokomenuchi and those huge fucking steps you take for them hell you even take too fucking huge a step to deliver a straight punch,.

Too much compliance(atemi component not stressed enough in most dojos)

Absolute wankery with respect and holiness and peace with most places. It's just marketing.

Weak against low kicks.

Weak against people who know actual koryu jujitsu or judo.

Doesn't usually consider the other person using soft techniques or any other techniques to cancel out an aikido technique.
>> Anonymous
>>398429
>>398428
>>398419

samefag
>> Anonymous
Aikido:
pro's:
good fun
decent instructor (69 year old scottish 6th dan with a hell of a sense of humour)
harder variety of aikido with less compliance, standing and ground chokes, (occasional headbutt/"glasgow kiss")

cons:
who cares? It's a uni club that costs 50p a lesson, which mostly goes on nights out anyway, I'm a 16 stone rugby player living in a pretty safe city, and I don't care that there are people harder than me out there... most the people who commit violent crime in this country are junk food eating, alcoholic, chain smoking chavs anyway... not that crime levels are half as high as most people think
>> Anonymous
>>399337
If you won't put down any cons, then I'll do it for you.

Cons:
-completely useless unless someone grabs your wrist
-all techniques lose effectiveness if you're not wearing the magic pants
-I'm not Ueshiba, and never will be
>> Anonymous
>>399370
I've been grabbed more times than I've been punched. "Pants" are underwear, I'm not sure why they're relevant, mine are not magic at any rate, neither are the tracksuit bottoms or t-shirt I train in. No, you're probably not Ueshiba.
>> Anonymous
>>399370
is a faggot who thinks that "style" is important
>> Anonymous
>>399461
Homophobe.
>> Anonymous
Shotokan Karate

(+)
-lots of opportunities

(-)
-maybe too much of a broad basis for movements and the like
>> Anonymous
>>399461
That's because it is. There is a reason there are styles to begin with.
>> Anonymous
Goju karate, though I just quit my school. Moving away soon.
Pros- kickboxing type sparring
-Nunchuku are fun
-Kata are fun
-Good workout

Cons - Sparring is not full contact, restricted to body blows and light head contact
-Too many kata (Our school added the Peter Urban kata and some shotokan)
-Too few students
>> Anonymous
>>399502
Forgot the bullshit "self defense" drills. An opponent will not stand there and let you kit them, tell your instructor that you refuse to practice like that. Another reason I left my school. Retarded training method.
>> Anonymous
Hung Gar Kungfu
Pros:
-Good conditioning
-Good striking techniques
-Very hard style, underarm hardening for extremely hard blocks. This makes it powerful against anyone who doesn't harden their arms
-Sets with practical applications
-Some weapon sets are practical, daggers/butterfly swords can be easily substituted by pens/pencils/chopsticks

Cons:
-Impractical weapon sets as well
-Hardening takes long and can be painful (I enjoy it though, fapfapfap)
-Little use of kicks and legs overall
-If done wrong, the hardening can be very damaging
>> Anonymous
>>399461
Style is not nearly as important as training method. Don't let your instructor tell you to go with a technique when someone is attacking you (unless you are first learning it). Note that this does almost completely nullify aikido as an effective style, you have to move with the attacks for them to work and they are easy to escape from.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>399522
fapfapfap
>> Anonymous
>>399515
I disagree, although aikido is limited to dealing with only certain kinds of attack (bear in mind though a lot of violent encounters start with grabbing/pushing before escalating), in my club I've never been told to be compliant, I make a point of attacking with strength and resisting techniques-including trying to hit back (not hard, just showing when my partner has left themselves vulnerable), trying to use strength to break free, to wriggle out of holds etc. The only time I've ever gotten free from my instructor was after a considerable amount of time on the ground with both arms pinned, both legs unable to reach him, and plenty of opportunity for him to hit me.
>> Anonymous
>>399545
Have you sparred with anyone outside of your school or anyone who does not take aikido?
>> Anonymous
The weak point of aikido and many other martial arts IS the defense. Simply attack the arms/hands and they're toast.
>> Anonymous
>>399559
One of the big themes in goju karate is grabbing hands and attacking arms. Jerk them towards you and punch hard.
>> Anonymous
>>398495
-.-
You don't knee for the balls, you knee to break the pelvis. The balls are just in the way, remember to strike THROUGH the target.

Also, I prefer trachea / Vagus / Artery strikes over groin, too many people expect the nut-kick as a dirty opening move, so feint for a kick and just strike the shit out of the side of his neck.

Shotokan Karate:
Decent balance of hand and foot strikes, as well as the incorporation of knee and elbow
Practicing properly will lead to a retention of strike power, while gaining speed and maintaining proper form

Cons:
Not a whole ton of joint-manipulation until higher ranks
Varying intensity @ different dojos
>> Anonymous
I do Muay Thai.

Good thing is that it's badass. Bad thing is that it's too lethal.
>> Anonymous
>>399569
I personally don't trust the knee to the groin as a definite finisher. Sometimes you don't actually catch the testicles, or maybe the other guy is too full of adrenaline to feel it right away.

That's why you need a follow up. If I'm really close, clinch range, I'll follow with an uchi-mata (http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/uchimata.htm) then kick them while they're down.
>> Anonymous
>>399556
I did some sparring with my old karate club, occasionally mess about with my mates, and might train in the holidays with a friend from home who's just taken up judo. To be honest the statistical odds of me getting attacked are so low that when I also consider the fact I've played rugby for 7 years and can therefore a) get hit hard without too much drama b) stay relatively calm when big people are trying to fuck me up and c) put very non-compliant and often quite big people on the ground, I'm not too bothered if aikido works well or not. I'll probably never need it, if I do and I can make the techniques work then cool, if not then I'll just make do without and either get my arse kicked or not.

The point is I enjoy training in it, I don't feel like I'm wasting my time. If other people think I'm a fool, they're welcome to.
>> Anonymous
Do Uechi Ryu or one of it's variants. Like Goju Ryu but more chinese. Get the spearhands, one knuckle punches, and point of toe kicks right and you can be a very mean son of a bitch. It uses soft blocks and parries to deflect and manipulate, It is good basic karate with nothing terribly flashy just simple stff that will work. Also has body conditioning via sanchin and a formal exercise called kotikite that involves arm, leg, latissimus dorsi, stomach, solar plexus, and sometimes pectoral pounding.. All movements in Uechi Ryu have a basis in sanchin. Fast, hard hitting, and practical.
>> Anonymous
I used to do kungfu

Good:
- it's motherfucking kungfu

Bad:
- gotta listen to 1000000 assholes talk about how its useless because it isn't an MMA
>> Anonymous
>>399606

The people who think Aikido is useless are the same people who view every potential situation as functionally equivalent to an MMA fight.

Being able to control your opponent is a superior skill to learn, vs being able to pummel someone. And if they have a weapon, I don't care what martial art you know, you're at a huge disadvantage.

In any event, the people who whine about Aikido not being a comprehensive striking system are just another flavor of the "every fight goes to the ground in 5 seconds" Gracie blowhards.
>> Anonymous
I take shotokan karate. (SKA)

Pro's
-Simple and effective striking and blocking techniques (including elbows, knees, and the backhands too.)
-Focus on direct and powerful movements (no wasted motion)
-Solid stance
-My sensei made us spar against multiple opponents occasionally.

Con's
-Not much for throwing opponents
-If someone would try to take me to the ground, I'd pretty much have to rely on elbows and knees versus control.
>> Anonymous
>>399828
i will agree that bjj one of the worst martial arts around and it makes traditional JuJutsu look bad but aikido only works if they are running with there hands out or take wide strikes. It works off of flaws.
>> Anonymous
>>399855
>i will agree that bjj one of the worst martial arts around and it makes traditional JuJutsu look bad

I would so love to see what would happen if you said this to face to face with a BJJ black belt.
>> Anonymous
>>399859
he would try and grab my feat and i would kick him in his shit. BJJ is fucking horrible. look at the fight between Gracy and Yamamoto. Gracy kept trying to go for take downs so yamamoto fucked his face up.
>> Anonymous
>>399867
Yeah, sure, you just keep telling yourself that princess.
>> Anonymous
Aikido is all like give me ure wrist so I can flip u and I'm all like no thanks brah have my fist in ure face instead and Aikido is all like NO WAI and im like LOLOLOLOLOL IM DA WINRAR
>> Anonymous
>>399855
Kinda. Aikido also (correctly) assumes that 99% of the world aren't martial artist, and as such exploiting their mistakes in positioning/balancing and generally "fighting" is a lot easier than you might thing.

The problem with this whole martial art comparison nonsense in the last 50 years is that it's based on the very incorrect assumption that two martial artists, fluent in their arts, are likely to come up against eachother in a "street" situation.

This is very, very rare. For example, it's very easy to control a drunk person with aikido/hapkido/jujitsu because they have, thoughtfully, already done half of your work for you.
>> Anonymous
ITT: butt hurt fags who cant defend there own style
>> Anonymous
>>399881
MMA fags think they're invincible.
>> Anonymous
>>399891

Some don't, but man am I tired of hearing about how everything needs to have ground fighting to be a "real" martial art. Even in the MMA competitive world, Silva showed that precise striking destroys ground fighters in no time flat.
>> Anonymous
>>399891
its so true, but i think that is part of the training. You dont go into a fight thinking you are not awesome. But i will take nidan maybe even a shodan from okinawa over any MMA fighter out there
>> Anonymous
>>399881
their*
>> Anonymous
>>399898
Those Okinawans weigh 90 pounds
>> Anonymous
>>399898

Problem with many MMA guys is that they're good fighters, but once an injury knocks them out of competition or they've finally worn their body down, they're left with nothing because modern MMA has no philosophical basis to it, no traditions, and no history. At least with the traditional martial arts, there's a point to them other than bloodsport.
>> Anonymous
>>399904
and
>> Anonymous
>>399898

Might be, but also explains why so many UFC fighters are totally unable to adjust on the fly to their opponent. They go in with their single (awesome, because they themselves are awesome) game plan, and when it doesn't go right, they're at a loss.
>> Anonymous
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sorry guys but Oyama would kick the shit out of any fighter today. The dude trained with bulls.
>> Anonymous
>>399916

The best warriors of today are probably in better shape than those of the past, but those of the past were undoubtedly tougher motherfuckers.
>> Anonymous
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Ain't /fit/ related. GTFO and go back to /ma/. Sage and reported.
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
>>399916

superior
>> Anonymous
Any you guys have experiance with Kendo?
>> Anonymous
>>399927
actually a lot of karate styles have roots in kendo.
>> Anonymous
>>399927
i have been doing kendo for 5 years and i also have been doing muso shinden ryu iaido for about 2 and a half years
>> Anonymous
>>399931

Iaido is teh shit

I'd like to have the time to take some kenjutsu
>> Anonymous
>>399938
in my class we have around 6 kenjutsu no katas that we practice as well. But yeah Iaido>any other sword martial art including Battojutsu, and haidong kumdo
>> Anonymous
>>399930
Totally didn't know that...
I don't know much about martial arts but i'm considering learning a style.I'm only 16 (inb4 underage b&) & I figure I have plenty of time to choose.
Help me anons?

I really wanna do this...I don't wanna do this just for bloodsport.I'm eager to learn something different...
>> Anonymous
>>399949
if you just starting its really easy for you to get trapped into a Mcdojo. look out for these things. Anything that has a black belt club. People with black belts under 18. Over 150 a month is too much. Has multiple classes including womens self defense. names like Krate Plus or Street defense. and lastly if there gi's have patches like crazy stay away. Also stay away from ninjutsu. shits dumb as fuck
>> Anonymous
>>399949
Go fucking kill yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>399954
Yeah, seriously. don't be afraid to shop around.
>> Anonymous
lol kendo fags
>> Anonymous
>>399954

This guy is mostly correct, but there *are* one or two places around that teach ninjitsu that aren't total bullshit

Avoid chains, don't overpay, and don't try and go for "cool". If the school "feels right" to you, it's a good place to start. You can always branch out later.
>> Anonymous
I do Tae Kwon Do

The good part is that you learn a good all around assortment of techniques and it emphasizes power kicks.

the bad part is that most of the more advanced kicks and techniques are to flourishy and ineffective in normal combat, and would serve better as a video game finishing move.
>> Anonymous
>>399976
when people say they do tae kwon do all i can think of is T-rex trying to fight me
>> Anonymous
when people say they do tae kwon do all i can think of is hwarang getting lolowned
>> Anonymous
Anyone know of any good places to train in the Boston area? I've been looking to pick up a martial art.
>> Anonymous
Try Google (art name) + (city name). This should help you out.
>> Anonymous
/r/ sticky
>> Anonymous
>>398367
another shoutout for IKMF here
>> Anonymous
Tai Chi

good:
exelent shoving and pushing
great way to learn to keep your balance
aplications are very usefull IF COMBINED WITH ANOTER MARTIAL ART (i dont know if that is considered a good or a bad thing, because it forces you to broaden your horizon)

bad
worth shit in actual combat untill you reach a master rank
its possible to do it for 20 years and still not to book any progress
>> Big Box !nvlJOw.KLQ
Monkey Gung Fu

PROS:
Teaches Balance
uses groin and eye strikes
Cons:
wouldn't use alot of the techniques in a real fight

Sambo

Pros:
Learn how to break the entire human body
pain control
learn how to fight on the ground
Cons:
Trainnig is all most unbearable

Chin Na

Pros:
learn awsome joint breaking techniques
Cons:
Good luck catching your Opponents Attacks
>> Big Box !nvlJOw.KLQ
oh yeah don't into a school where your class is xbox huge. Go to school where the classes are small or just have 1 on 1 class. Personally I think 1 on1 classes are the best cause then the teacher can focus on what you need than the entire class full of students.
>> Anonymous
>>399949
Do you want to learn a martial art for self defense, fun, excercise or what?
>> Anonymous
>>400138
This should be the first thing anyone considers before taking a martial art. I am not going to take one that I don't find fun and get a good workout from.
>> Anonymous
Krav maga here. Been doing it for about a year, and holy feck it works sell when you need it to.

GOOD
> Leathal if nessesary.
> Easy to learn, good for self teaching. Simply need to practice movements once learnt
> Techniques built on instinct.
> Praised as the single greatest street self defence fighting system

BAD
> Alot you could not use in an honorable fight: school fight, drunkards being annoying ect. Groin and eye strikes, not to mention all the leathal hits...
>> Anonymous
Ninjucu

Good:
-Learn how to kill with a pencil or whatever
-Include anything, stole good things from anything (like MMA, Krav-Maga, etc)
-A lifeform

Bad:
-Hard to keep up with the real stile
-Hard to find a real school, (lot of shit Dojos, I found a real one after 4 years)
-Painful as hell, if you doing it right
>> Anonymous
Boxing, a very beautiful sport, seems to work in real life too.. where's that video where a Turkish boxer owns 5 guys with the jab?
>> Anonymous
I'm just going to role this all into one.
Sun/Chen Tai chi and qi gong
Good:
balance
fixes posture
extremely useful applications if you can get someone to teach you them
can be very violent in it's strikes (i.e. eyes, throat, joint breaks)

Bad:
Like any traditional Chinese martial art it takes so much practice and time before you can use any application.

I also do Wing Chun and have read a lot of what was posted in the thread. I have to agree on some points. It can be useful but to me, even as someone with long arms, I have to get WAY too close to the enemy to even use basic chi sau applications. I'm sure if you practice it for years and years it's a great martial art, but it's theory isn't the best.

One of my teachers from Tai Chi saw me practicing Wing Chun and came over to correct a form. All I had to do was throw a punch at him and it was over against his Ba Gua. So focusing on a center line can be useful but just not very useful.
>> Anonymous
>>398281
taijiquan

Good:
-you can still use it when you're old since blocks are close to tangent with the opponent's moves rather than normal to the moves as in martial arts like karate

-really good for leg strength

-you gain an excellent understanding of body mechanics

Bad:
-no ground game

-takes an inordinately long time to gain enough mastery to use on the street

-people think you're some kind of faggot
>> Anonymous
>>398435
there are two techniques you should learn for fighting multiple opponents

1) fight really fucking dirty
2) run away
>> Anonymous
yeah, some people mentioned a honorable fight. I can understand that in a fight where both persons(asuming it is one on one) have some respect towards eachother or that you might consider the legal consequences of killing, breaking bones of permanent damage, but what's "dirty techniques"? a fight is primarily to the death right? why not fight dirty, you're supposed to hurt him right?
please help me with my confusion?
>> Anonymous
>>399897

You're retarded. Silva is also a fucking BJJ BB and a fantastic wrestler. If he didn't learn how to sprawl or have good clinch work then he would've got taken down.

the only "anti-grapple" is to grapple
>> Anonymous
>>400374
faggots who thing fighting is "noble" when it's really humans acting like animals

do you see wolves attacking horses letting the horses tap out? fuck no--they eat the cocksuckers
>> Anonymous
MMA involving (BJJ, Pankration, Greco Roman wrestling, Traditional boxing, Muay Thay, Shoot Wrestling, Traditional Ju - Jutsu)

Good :
The variety of techniques makes it highly usable in different situations.
Exceptional 1v1 fighting prowess
Very much free form practice and live training

Bad: The Jack of all trades effect. Could be good or bad
>> Anonymous
ITT: posers who think BJJ is a real martial art.

For it to be a martial art, it needs to have been used my a military at one point for practical combat situations.

tl;dr, BJJ is for faggots who love sucking cock on the mats.
>> Anonymous
>>400423
faggot who did not read the entire post
>> Anonymous
>>400484
Troll, or honestly does not know about the current US Army Combatives program.
>> Anonymous
>>399880
>>399855
Most the cctv/police camera footage I've seen of actual fights shows people swinging wildly and making aikido exploitable mistakes. As long as I don't go pissing off bouncers, police officers, royal marines and other trained individuals I ought to be fine....

A lot of fights *do* end up on the ground though. However, in the real world the ground is dirty and covered in broken glass, and you're vulnerable to anyone that fancies a stamp. I'll focus on staying on my feet for self defence.
>> Anonymous
Why the fuck don't we have martial arts board already?
>> Anonymous
>>400513
If you do train for self defense then you should be training to at least have solid positional skills on the ground. Because there is a good chance of fights going to the ground (just not as often as Gracie propaganda claims) you want to be the guy who can get the dominant position, then get back to standing.

Honestly I think Judo is better for this training than BJJ. There's more emphasis on not being put on the ground in the first place, and the positional ground work is solid but not needlessly intricate.
>> Anonymous
>>400540
Because trolls and internet tough guys will breed like rabbits.
Endless "My kung-fu is stronger than your kung-fu", "MMA/Boxing/BJJ/Aikido is gay", "____ is unrealistic in a fight" etc. threads.

Personally I think it would be nice to have such a board, but for the time being I will support all MA threads on /fit/ that are /fit/ related (usually relating to conditioning). This thread is more a style circle-jerk than directly /fit/ related......(not that I haven't enjoyed it).
>> Anonymous
>>400540
Because papercraft is much more popular.
>> Anonymous
>>400566Continued
"Best push-ups for punching"
"How do I stretch to kick people in the head?"
"What drills will improve my ____?"
"How much cardio do I need to be a cage-fighter?"
would all be acceptable thread topics on this board.

/sp/ well..... I would stay away from them as the whole board is "My kung-fu is stronger than your kung-fu; your kung-fu is gay"; just replace "kung-fu" with "favorite team/athlete"
>> Anonymous
>>400552
I'm sure being a front row forward (rugby position) gives me enough grappling experience for the "average" self defence situation. I don't have time to train in judo too without giving up something else in my life. I'm not going to do any less work for my degree, or spend less time with my guitar- I practise the bare minimum as it is and I'm sure as hell not going to drink less!
>> Anonymous
>>400625
Does rugby really cover what to do when a big guy is sitting on your chest trying to put his fist through your face?
>> Anonymous
jiu jitsu, japanese jiu jitsu

good
allround
trains to fight someone bigger and/or stronger than yourself
takes the best from both judo and karate, and adds all kinds of joint locks
bad
does not really train to fight more than one attacker
techniques are really complicated and hard to do in combat
people automaticly asume that you do brazilian jiu jitsu

can someone tell me the difference between judo and bjj?
>> Anonymous
>>400632
lol you'd be surprised
>> Anonymous
>>400675
wow your history of japanese "juijitsu" spelled in japanese jujutsu is really bad and you probably go to a Mcdojo. Judo and Karate are both younger than Jujutsu. Jujutsu is what samurai used to fight in armor on when they lost there weapon
>> Anonymous
>>400675
Also Judo is sportified Jujutsu and BJJ is gayified Japanese Jujutsu. In tradition Jujutsu you would try and kill or severely dismember but in BJJ you just lie on your back and try and twist their arm. case in point: The guillotine in BJJ can only put them to sleep at the most while in trad. JJ you hold the head in front of the body instead of in the armpit area and you snap the back of their neck killin them.
>> Anonymous
difference between judo and BJJ? i been doing iss hogai and bjj for 2 years now, won a few naga tournaments and a few other ones that travis lutter did. and in my experience judo dudes want to stand up and bjj guys want to go the ground. judo is good for throwing your opponent INTO a submission setup, taking them to the ground and working basic submissions. bjj is all about let me grab your gi and jump guard and try some crazy subs. but i train without a gi to be a lil bit more useful
>> Anonymous
>>400625
The average street self defense situation for the average person has a high chance of having a weapon involved on the aggessors part such as a gun, knife, taser, pepperspray, or improvised club. I don't think rugby teaches you how to not get shanked or slashed to hell.
>> Anonymous
alright we REALLY need to take this picture of jiujitsu girl off the front page, it is honestly giving me despair boners.
>> Anonymous
>>400749
>>400749
the average self defence situation for the average 18-30 year old male is at the pub. as geoff thompson says , just "learn to hit fucking hard".
>> Anonymous
>>400675

judo concentrates more on throws and pins
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
>>400749
not in the UK it doesn't. not unless you prefer to get your stats from The Sun rather than the british crime survey.
>>400755
In addition to rugby and aikido, I do practice some basic strikes (snap and rear hand punch but with the heel of the palm, elbows, forearms, knees etc) whenever I get a few minutes with a punch bag (or wall when no-ones looking), plus front, side and back kick to shin, knee and groin height. Beyond that I can't be bothered, if I spent any more time dwelling on self defence I'd be paranoid.
>> Anonymous
>>400734
Judo is not supposed to sportified Jujutsu. Kano made it to be a version of Jujutsu that is safe to practice regularly by the average person and would well accepted by society. By all measures, it was a success.

With that said, fuck the IJF and their shit rules for Judo competitions. I don't want to watch 5 minutes of two idiots purposely falling on their stomachs just because they don't want to be thrown.
>> Anonymous
>>400864
>Kano made it to be a version of Jujutsu that is safe to practice regularly by the average person and would well accepted by society


so it was sportified huh
>> Anonymous
Fencing lol

Good: lol learn to stab people
Bad: Rules are for pussies
>> Anonymous
>>400869
No. Kano didn't really care much about competitions as anything more than a way for people to evaluate their skill level. He was openly critical of people that practiced for the sake of competitions.
>> Anonymous
>>400884
same thing with kendo. After WW2 the americans outlawed japanese martial arts so the Kenodka had to make kendo look less threatening which led to the current form of kendo which doesnt include throws and grapleing
>> Anonymous
Trained Kyokushinkai many years ago.

Pros:
Increases pain tolerance
Focus on strength, endurance and tougness
Full contact sparring
No protection, other than a cup
Strikes and kicks are quick, hard and effective, without any fancy stuff
Some basic focus on fighting multiple opponents
Effective in street fighting

Cons:
Too much theory and traditional stuff
No submission
No strikes to the head during full contact, since gloves are against the rules
>> Anonymous
>>400875
omg lol fencing would never work in a streetfight lol
>> Anonymous
>>400900
Try saying that when the fencer lunges and rams a pencil into your fucking eye.

Okay, I'll admit that's just stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>400310
The goal of every fight should be to end it as quickly and as effectively as possible and leave even quicker. (you don't want to stick around for the cops to nail you)
>> Anonymous
>>400922
I believe teh Joker demonstrated the best way to ram a pencil in your eye
>> Anonymous
>>400310
>>401001
Sure sounds like Krav.
>> Anonymous
>>399822
>>399828
>>399897
>>399905
>>399954
+1

>>400540
+5
>> Anonymous
>>401001
Not necessarily. There are plenty of stories out there of guys who only immobilize their attackers, not injure them, until the police arrive. This is the sort of thing you do for something like a burglary, or attempted robbery in broad daylight.
>> Anonymous
>>400138
Fun & excercise,but mostly for the latter.
>> Anonymous
Any1 else pissed off that now that the UFC is popular, every fag wants to get into MMA?
>> Anonymous
>>401147
Not really.
>> Anonymous
>>401147

Yeah, not really. I enjoy watching MMA. Sorta bugs me how a lot of people believe it's the be all and end all... but whateryougonnado?
>> Anonymous
>>398437
I box too.
IMO, if you can punch well and defend
well with your arms, why would you need to use anything else?
If you punch hard and in the right spot
you can probably knock down an inexperienced
person in one or two hits and if youre a dirty
fighter just kick em on the ground.
Pretty sure you dont need to learn how to kick. v.v
>> Anonymous
>>401162
Flying arm bars on all of them.
>> Anonymous
>>401163
Because some guys out there are fucking tough enough to take a few punches, and sometimes you don't hit the right spot. In short, learn some wrestling/judo as well. It's the best way to put someone on their ass if you can't knock them out.
>> Anonymous
>>401163
what you dont know is that most traditional martial arts primary targets are the nut sack, the eyes and the throat. If all you can do is punch im sorry but your fucked
>> Anonymous
>>398435
The thing about MMA is if you take it to the ground on a hard surface and you happen to be on bottom like in the guard or something and the person picks you up and slams you you're pretty much done.
>> Anonymous
>>401741
This. Traditional martial arts (and some military ones like Krav Maga) are designed to neutralize the opposition, not to score points or get knockouts.
>> Anonymous
>>401741
I'm sorry, but if you honestly think you're going to hit a boxer in the eyes or throat if they see you coming then you're fucking stupid. Maybe you can get a nutshot, but only maybe.

Yes it has to be if they see you coming. No defense, no matter how effective, works if you're blindsided.
>> Anonymous
>>401909
Sports martial arts, particularly the full contact ones, are meant to quickly and efficiently neutralize an opponent. If anything they tend to be more effective than most other styles. It just doesn't seem that way if you watch the competitions because it's usually two people of similar skill levels who have a good idea of what the other guy is going to do.
>> Anonymous
>>401943
If there are rules, the martial art is not full contact.
>> Anonymous
>>401950
People who have never participated in a full contact match have no basis to judge what it is.
>> Anonymous
>>401962
Very simple concept. If you can't hit certain areas or perform certain moves, then it is not "full" contact.
>> Anonymous
>>398449
>side-control, mount, or taking the back over pulling guard.
Thank you for confirming my belief that BJJ is for people with repressed homosexuality.
>> Anonymous
>>401994

This is correct.

Even UFC contests are less contact that they used to be. That's fine, since UFC makes no bones about the fact that they want the fights to be entertaining, not "realistic". They stand up fighters all the time because the crowd will get bored otherwise.
>> Anonymous
full contact equals full power you retards, not that you can't kick someone in the balls.
>> Anonymous
>>399930

No, kendo is gendai budo and was established along with other modern japanese martial arts, including karate. What gendai budo has been based on is koryu arts, like kenjutsu.
>> Anonymous
>>399905worn their body down

I practice Wado-ryu Karate Jujitsu Kenpo.

Good:

All motions are made with only everyday strength. The skill being learned is about a technique that uses just normal power output but so efficiently that it's sufficient for any action, thus, you can train for a much larger portion of your lifetime and still improve because growing older and weaker isn't a problem because all you need is the strength you use when doing everyday things.
Essentially these techniques are very intelligent, so to say; there's definitely a certain common rule for any technique as to how the technique I described above is to be done. It's something like following along with the other's motion to get into a position in which the opponent is easy to move or avoiding their attack while counter-attacking. You learn a sense for this kind of movement before you can move without exerting lots of power I've found it's helping me a lot in groundwork.
Little by little, you use less and less energy while sparring the same time.
It applies to both single and multiple opponents; you're always in a balanced position considering all directions (equal ease to move into any direction) and also techniques emphasize staying as mobile as possible.
Also, what is strongly emphasized is being safe from dirty attacks, also another aspect of staying mobile. All locks are in such a way as to be completely out of reach of the opponent. You do learn dirty attacks yourself but they aren't that complex really (fingers in eye, foot in groin, open palm slap on ear, stomping on toes, pulling on nostrils, pushing on face etc.). These things are pretty much the most useful easy-to-learn tools when you're not trying use strength.
>> Anonymous
>>402110

Bad:

It's extremely fucking difficult which is why the fact that growing old and still being able to improve is the most important property of this system. The reason for the difficulty is that what you're trying to learn isn't an array of techniques for a multitude of situations per se (so the amount of techniques you know isn't really a measure of your ability), but a very general skill in moving your body. Practising all those techniques is simply the only way to learn something so broad; you try to find the common rule among every motion you're being taught and try to do every technique "the same way". Obviously it takes a ridiculous amount of time to learn a single skill that applies to anything and everything rather than a finite amount of techniques that apply to a finite amount of situations.
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
>>402095
kendo came around before that as well as most karate ryuha. I dont think kendo can be considered a koryu but its definitely older than gendai budo
>> Anonymous
I take taekwondo, been in it for a few years

Good:
-it is fun, is an excellent workout, you'll make friends
-high beginner retention. these days, theres lots of taekwondo schools aimed towards the 'average' person. If you want to get into the really high powered stuff, look hard, find a school with only 1 or two current blackbelts.

Bad:
-Especially in recent years, it's been viewed more as a sport than a martial art, and most schools will teach it as such
-too much focus on flashy kicks and 'showy' techniques

I like it though, it's fun, great place to meet people (alot of these people are normal, not martial arts junkies like you'd see at super strict places) and it gets me in great shape. Plus I can impress my non-martial arts friends with flashy kicks that would never be used in real life outside of a public demonstration event.
>> Anonymous
>>402110
>Wado-ryu Karate Jujitsu Kenpo

Why do I get the felling some guy just threw together a bunch of generic terms to catch the attention of as many people as possible?
>> Anonymous
If you carry a sword around on the street then Kendo is a great martial art.
>> Anonymous
>>398385

Anyone see the Krazy Horse Bennet video and the guy from chute boxe? As long as it;s one on one and the guy has no knowledge of BJJ he will get raped, Krazy Horse got submitted and he's.... well kinda fighter, but at least knows how to pull guard and other shit.
>> Anonymous
>>402730
meh, its usually called wado-ryu karate-jitsu. sometimes people will call shit kempo instead of karate, some styles originally used the term kempo, some were originally kempo-karate. but who cares.
>> Anonymous
>>402770
or you know, he could have knowledge in wrestling, catch-wrestling or judo and not get "raped". bjj is not the be all end all of ground fighting, but it sure as hell is a good tool.
>> Anonymous
Kickboxing

Pros:

Good striking

Cons:

No floor grappling/submissions.
>> Anonymous
goshin jitsu and some judo

Good:
-Simple realistic moves
-A bit of everything involved. Punches, Kicks, Holds, a few pressure points, takedowns, tumbling(how to fall without getting hurt)
-easy to learn the basics
-is actually useful in a real fight, i've had to defend myself a few times
-weapons training, (bow staff im my case)
-A lot of sparring, you get good at single person combat, and we had a few exercises where one person gets "out" the next person can jump in no matter what, so you were always on your toes!

Bad:
-not too much on fighting more than one person
-sometimes you can get overwhelmed with how many moves there are to learn, but a bit of time can cure this
>> Anonymous
>>402868
>not too much on fighting more than one person

very few martial arts, (if any) are very good at allowing you to effectively, and consistently defend against multiple attackers without a weapon
>> Anonymous
I like all the faggots saying "MMA"... MMA is not a style, it's the name used to describe a large portion of different martial arts that offer different aspects of fighting, such as pankration. Faggots, you don't learn a style called "MMA", enjoy your McDojo.
>> Anonymous
>>403126
^^^^^^ parents probably thought he was "unique" as well

MMA is MMA, enjoy your soulless, meaningless bloodsport hobby
>> Anonymous
>>403094

WingTsun does. I wouldn't be surprised if Krav does as well.
>> Anonymous
>>403143
No, they don't do it any better than most other martial arts, which is they don't do it very well at all. It's extremely hard to fight multiple opponents while unarmed. The only tactic I've seen that might work is to move around so you're attackers are lined up and can only come at you one at a time.
>> Anonymous
>>403152

Fair enough. That's true. But many martial arts don't deal with it at all. For whatever reason. And in the realms of realistic self defense, multiple opponents is something that should be addressed.
>> Anonymous
>>403094
Which is why any self defense training should cover some improvised weaponry training.
>> Anonymous
>>403126

Speaks the truth
>> Anonymous
>>403126
wow wanna know how i know you're fucking stupid? Pankration was the name of a fighting organization, not a fighting style. Good job fucking moron.
>> Anonymous
>>403375

Oh god, you're joking right? Seriously, i'm honestly waiting for a "lololol i troll u" here... Please, tell me you're just trolling and you're not that idiotic...
>> Anonymous
Boxing
Excellent overall fitness, and great against about 80% of the general population, but there's no ground game.