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Fedor, does he defy logic? Anonymous
Take a look at this man.

I suspect that at least some of you know him and probably have talked about him here before, but I can't figure him out.

He is the best MMA fighter on earth, his record stands testament to that but let's not talk about that particular aspect of his fighting career anymore.

Quite literally, the man isn't overly tall or overly muscular. His weight isn't "OHMAHGAWD" and there is no way he is "toned". Yet, regardless of this he has absolutely beast strength and ungodly speed. He's won tournaments in multiple martial arts and has currently defeated some of the best fighters in the world with only a single loss.

Why don't I get him though?

Well, if he was a big tubbo I would follow the Butterbean logic of a lot of weight in motion equals ouch upon impact. He doesn't fit in that category and he has beaten guys of that approximate size with laughable ease (Zuluzinho).

Giants like Hong-Man Choi, Naoya Ogawa and Semmy Schilt have also all fallen to him.

So why is he so god damn strong, and so god damn fast?
>> Anonymous
knuckledusters implanted into his fists
>> Anonymous
Genetics. Sometimes you simply can't talk about genetics enough. Two men with the same exact weight and training regimen just won't be equal. One will be faster, stronger, or just a better fighter.

And that's the major thing to remember, he might just have a better strategy, better skills: an all around more capable fighter.
>> Anonymous
He's just a skilled fighter really. What else can you say, it isn't so much about his body type, he's just skilled.
>> Anonymous
>>73614

I lol'd.

>>73617

You'd think that, especially with his brother basically being him minus the experience and drive. So yeah, it probably is genetics.
>> Anonymous
Fedor is a beast of a guy. Don't let the belly fool you, he is a thick strong guy. Ultimately it comes down to his ability as a fighter, though. He's definitely faced more physically capable opponents (e.g. Kevin Randleman), but his skills are ace.
>> Anonymous
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Genetics is an excuse to not work harder. There are weight classes for a reason, people are of different sizes. But within your weight class, if you have the drive and willingness to learn, you can succeed. Spitting out the generic "it's genetics" is ambiguous and pointless unless you are willing to define exactly WHAT it is that genetics grants a good fighter over others _in his_weight_class_.
>> Anonymous
>>73659
>Genetics. Sometimes you simply can't talk about genetics enough. Two men with the same exact weight and training regimen just won't be equal. One will be faster, stronger, or just a better fighter.


When did I imply I didn't mean within a weight class?

Besides, even amongst two men training equally hard genetics cna often be the defining factor
>> Anonymous
>>73659

Take a look at this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FtFvR7QRmow

He fights Kevin Randleman in this fight, and as you can obviously see he survives one of the most horrific suplexes I have ever seen in a fight, and then wins.

Zuluzinho, he is a Butterbean type fighter.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6FT26v_TEOo

Look at that speed and that power. Fight is over so fast that even the commentators are laughing (you can hear it at the "standing square to Fedor" part).

That is what happens more or less in all of his fights.
>> Anonymous
Even though Fedor looks like a giant baby, he will crush all his competition. I saw Fedor vs Crocop, and man did Crocop retreat.

The secret is his great work ethic. He trains at least two months uninterrupted for each fight, and more for fighters he deems very tough (like Crocop). This guy had the drive and the training, and maybe a little bit of the genetics.
>> Anonymous
"genetics" is such a lame excuse

fedor has incredible mental clarity at all times during his fights, takes hits very well, has a very fast paced and hard to calculate fighting style, and other things to boot.

He hasnt fought the whole world though and being RANKED #1 doesnt make you the best it makes you RANKED #1.

All credit to him I think he is awesome but I dont think genetics made him awesome, or any other fighter awesome.

I also hear a lotta fat asses and pussies say genetics is why they suck...yet I never hear a winner go telling bitches he kicked his opponents ass cause of genetics.
>> Anonymous
>>73610
>He is the best
the best the best
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the best
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>> Anonymous
he trained so hard that's why
>> Anonymous
Experience, strategy, stamina, mental clarity, fighting spirit (LOL) and general technique are the only reasons i can think of. Once you cross a threshold of physical strength all of these start to become more important.
>> Anonymous
fucking beast
>> Anonymous
Fedor sucks and gets beaten all the time
>> Anonymous
I slapped the shit out of this guy once. He was looking at my girl, so I fucked his shit up and he cried like a little girl. Weak bitch.
>> Anonymous
Yeah Fedor's pretty good. He's gonna crush Sylvia when their match comes up. What a mismatch.
>> Anonymous
>>73610
dude, fighting is far more mental than it is physical. experience & talent @ fighting >>>>>>>>>>> brute strength. fedor (and many other fighters) look unremarkable but their minds and instincts are brilliant @ fighting
>> Anonymous
>>73620

This guy is the only one that gets it.
Fedor's quick and strong as a heavyweight, and trains hard, but that's not why he wins.

He wins, because technically and mentally he's the best fighter in his weight division skill-wise. He's been training Sambo consistently since he was a little kid, so he has a lifetime of experience and knowledge, and he's smart; he knows what he needs to do to beat each opponent.

As far as his brother goes, most people agree that he's a better striker, and some say that he's a better athlete, but he lacks the work ethic Fedor has.
He also went to prison for 5 years on an armed robbery charge, so he basically missed out on 5 years of his prime training time.

I will say though, that some of Fedor's victories have been over people who are alot less skilled, or just had "duuuuh" moments, and ended up handing him a submission.
>> Anonymous
>>73659

I was just about to post that picture.

The guy is strong as hell, and he doesnt tire out. He never gasses.


You need a little fat to use as energy, professional atheletes like football players HAVE to have about 10% body fat or they could not maintain their energy levels.

single digit bodyfat =/= strength or speed.

Im faster at 195 pounds than I was at 175 at both the 800m and the 5k.

Why ? My legs are twice as strong.
>> Anonymous
>>73676

Work ethic, skill, mental clarity and smarts are what makes a great fighter great, but genetics are the raw resources that he has to work with. What makes a chess grandmaster great? Many things, but you can also bet he's just naturally damn smart, too.

I will never be an NFL player. Why? I have to work 3 times as hard to put on muscle mass as the average football lineback. I don't have the raw materials to be a top-tier athlete. I'm a computer nerd for a reason, and it's not that I haven't tried working my ass off at the gym 5 times a week, because I certainly have.

Fedor is the best for many reasons, and having a better body is just one of them.
>> Anonymous
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Sosai Oyama was indomitable, and he was a short moonperson who never followed a weight lifting regime or set foot in a modern, "accomplished" gym.

He was extraordinarily advanced mentally, and so confident and conditioned physically - it's no wonder why he was the GODHAND.

Fedor is very reminiscent, for all the same reasons.
>> Anonymous
strength and speed is about cns and fibre type.

i am sick of stupid people.
>> Anonymous
He was obviously trained in the art of Kaio Ken
>> Anonymous
>>73846

I must go further. I hope my body can take it!
>> Anonymous
The one thing that usually decides a fight between similar men is brains.
Yep, the smart one wins.

That aside, fedor trains with kettlebells.
>> Anonymous
>>73659

Weight classes once you get past the last weight classes min weight really dont mean shit. A 250lb guy can still be fighting a 350lb guy in some arenas.

And there is a big fucking difference in that.
>> Anonymous
>>73846
i laughed aloud
>> Anonymous
>>73610
Cause he is a robot dumbass
>> Anonymous
How can anyone deny genetics. You are all dumbshits, he is the result of years of perfect natural selection producing the most hardcore mma fighter around. It is not just his body that is configured for strength and speed, his brain also pays a very large role in how he fights. You can't train your brain to be a natural fighter, he is born like this. He is a born alpha dominant male.
>> Anonymous
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His brother comes to fights looking like he just came out of bed, and he to hits with mighty force.

Fedors sambo trainer said fedor wasnt the best fighter out there, he just had the strongest drive.
>> Anonymous
>>74021
This backs up the genetics theory. There you go OP you have the answer.
>> Anonymous
fedor = steven hawkins in a physically capable state
>> Anonymous
>>74021

Really, you're going to let Mauro speak for you?

Just because he's not jumping up and down, thrashing his fists about doesn't mean he looks like he just got out of bed. He looks like he's actually mentally prepared for the fight.

His fight with James Thompson is a great example of mental preparation and styles clashing.
>> Anonymous
Genetics? What the hell is wrong with you all?

It's called technique. He's the better fighter. The better fighter doesn't necessarily have the better body.
>> Anonymous
>>74020
True.
>> Anonymous
Fedor's body isn't bad at all. He has big veiny arms, wide back and great legs. In fact most WOMEN(not the scene girls you all fap about) would prefer that kind of body than some tanned guido body.

Bit of flab+muscle= I do other things in life other than work out and i'm not obsessed at having 3% bodyfat.
No flab+muscle=HURR DURR SPOT BRAH
>> Anonymous
>>74137
Not true.
>> Anonymous
>>74140
I said a bit of flab, not YOUR bit of flab, fattie.
>> Anonymous
>>74141
Who would try to convince someone that fat is attractive other than a fatty?
>> Anonymous
Not that this a reason for why he is so great, but his punches always come from the hips, they always have that hip rotation, It's really insane when you think about it, but one of the reasons he punches so much harder than a guy of his size should.
>> Anonymous
>>74144
1% BODY FAT IS SEXY DURRHURRHURR
>> Moonmauler !!LgNbdvCFAuN
>>73824
Only kind of true. Even a 150lbs man at 5% body fat still has more than 25,000 calories worth of energy in fat form on his body. Marathon runners and all other endurance athletes rely more on fat as fuel than any other kind of athlete, and have you seen those Kenyans?!
>> Anonymous
>>74137
okay so it doesnt register in my mind that "oh because he's got a bit of fat he isnt self obsorbed"
but i will say i'd rather have a thicker guy than a scrawnier guy even if the scrawnier has a six pack and the thicker has a bit of a gut.
>> Anonymous
>>74137
>>74155

DURR HURR DUURR HHURRR

Sounds kinda gay, doesn't it, now that someone else typed it
>> Anonymous
Genetics affect his fighting techniques as well you dumb shit.
>>74127
>> Anonymous
>>74231
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, HE'S A GOOD FIGHTER NOT DUE TO GENETICS.
>> Anonymous
It's not always physical.

Sometimes strength comes from the fighting human spirit.

I watch too much anime.
>> rowerfag
>>74267
CNS, bitch, his works well, most likely

also, no god, no spirits, no soul, etc
>> Anonymous
>>73610

I remember a few weeks back they had that show on the Discovery Science called "Fight Science" that featured MMA fighters. Showing how they hit, how hard they hit, etc. and comparing them to other martial arts.

I was pissed at the show, because although it was decent (too much god damn Rampage) they didn't have Fedor or Cro-Cop on there. I figure it would have hilarious to compare their strength to the other guys.

Fedor would have utterly destroyed the ground and pound demonstration they had.
>> Anonymous
>>74250
Fuck off!! He is who he is due to his genetics. I will admit your fighting technique will increase through continuous practice. However.

Say a real nerd. A real dorky piece of shit, trained his whole life to become the best fighter in the world. He had the best fighting coach, the best training equipment, routine and diet to turn him into a superstar fighter. He would still lack that edge. He would never be the best in the world. He would not have, what comes naturally to the best like Fedor. Natural fighting skills.

Fedor is who he is due to his parents having sex producing a baby with their genes.

People like Fedor, are alpha males. Someone earlier said something about natural selection.

"MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, HE'S A GOOD FIGHTER NOT DUE TO GENETICS." You say.

Well I say "FEDOR IS THE PERSON HE IS DUE TO HIS GENETICS."

If you follow sports such as formula one, soccer, MMA etc. There is always a dominant driver/player/fighter who is THE BEST. Michael Schumacher, Ronaldo, Fedor.

How you ask? When they go through the same route and practice as much as every one else. They grow up the same as every other average sportsman, playing football on the streets, driving go karts, fighting. Yet they are somehow quite clearly the BEST.

The answer is Genetics.

There is no, possible way to argue against my points. People are who they are because of their parents. If Fedor had a different mother or father, there would be no MMA superstar fighter, it is that simple.

His whole lifestyle is governed by his genetics. The way he might put in that extra 10% training, or enjoy eating that bit more food than everyone else, or the fact that he is naturally aggressive IS GENETICS. This is what genetics is.

It's not just random that someone decides to work out and study martial arts etc.
>> Anonymous
>>74250

Maybe it fills your little brain with false hope that you could one day become a MMA superstar or something. But the fact is, it is impossible for you to ever be at the standard to compete. Even if you trained constantly and devoted your life you would never be the best.

Your genetics have failed you!
>> Anonymous
LMAO>>74250just got so badly owned!!!

And I totally agree with this guy. People who are disagreeing obviously don't know what genetics are.
>>74324
>>74322
>> Anonymous
Fedor's body is not terrible but it is not as physically attractive as a Guidos or whatever. Fatties, don't deny it.

Of course, Fedor is 1000x more kickass than a guido would be, if they had a kickass level above 0.

Don't delude yourself fatties, most women don't like flab.
>> Anonymous
>>74250
>> Anonymous
Your central nervous system determines how you react in situations of stress, how quick you strike, and your ability to have mental clarity in a fight.

This, you can change VERY MINIMALLY.

Genetics my friends. Not saying Fedor doesn't work hard. He works his ass off but his genetics give him the edge.
>> Anonymous
>>74322

This reminds me of a friend of mine. He was being bullied by some guy at my school, so he spent the whole summer trying to get strong to fight him. He did see some noticable results, and he definitely looked stronger and bigger.

He challenged the bully to a fight after school, this was his moment! He got knocked out in 5 seconds by the bully who preceded to kick the crap out of his face. The bully did not lift weights, train or restrict his diet in any way.
He was just naturally stronger, even though my friend actually looked bigger than him after the summer.
I LOL'd and he learnt his lesson. Genetics can be a real bitch.
>> rowerfag
>>74337
no shit, it's genetics... but the reason he's a badass isn't some magical force or anything, it's that his muscles and CNS interact slightly more efficiently than other people... also looking fat doesn't mean there's not muscle underneath it.

tl;dr - genetics is not "the force"... the man lacks midichlorians.... he has a nervous system that interacts well with his muscles
>> ESH !Oj4wGhYfsE
The retarded in this thread is beyond my normal expectations of the dumb and douchebaggery I associate with 4chan.

How dare you fat fucks coming in looking for the easiest way out of not being fat try to throw dirt on the hard work that Fedor puts in daily, by writing it off as genetics?

Genetics gave him average height and a mesomorph body structure. The will to win and the desire to be better than everyone else gave him strength that comes from training for strength and the flexibility and dexterity that comes with having good people fight you daily.

He's not ungodly strong or muscular, so shut the fuck up about genetics. He has knockout power and a good chin, which a million other fighters have (Chuck Liddel, Randy Couture, Wanderlei, etc.), so again, shut the fuck up about genetics.

So many people want to dismiss shit by saying, "Oh, I'll never be as good as Fedor because I don't have his genetics." No, you'll never be as good as Fedor cause you're a lazy cunt who doesn't want to put in the effort that he does.

Stop making excuses and start making progress.
>> Anonymous
I also agree with the genetics theory.

It is like saying how can some people pass exams Grade A with no work. When there are others working their asses off for a Grade C.

It's genetics they are just smarter.
>> Anonymous
>>74346
Who the fuck said it was okay to be a fat fuck?

Are you denying his CNS works wonderfully with his muslces? That's not something hard work can change.
>> Anonymous
>>74346

You are too stupid too see. They are a lazy shit because that is who they are. There parents have created them and their genetics. Then continued to bring them up like a lazy shit.

I agree genetics plays a MASSIVE role, but also think of Fedors lifestyle as a kid.

I am not a lazy fattass who blames it on my genetics. I am the opposite, I have been with natural physical genetics. I totally HATE all you fucks thinking you can be the best through rigorous training and shit, when I could floor you in seconds naturally.

I don't train, I have a normal diet, yet I am still kickass.
>> rowerfag
>>74346

i am reminded of any number of quotes saying essentially this... most prominently one by a violinist who was approached after a performance and told "I would give up evrything to be able to play like you"... he replied, "You misunderstand, that's what I did"

a real genetic determinist would argue that his willpower is genetic though...
>> Anonymous
>>74346

Lol who is this dumbshit?
There are many MMA fighters that work and train harder than Fedor. He is still better though.
>> ESH !Oj4wGhYfsE
>>74352

Powerlifters strengthen their CNS by working at heavy, high capacity regularly. That's why heavy sets work the way they do, and is the major difference between lifting for BB and lifting for PL.

An efficient CNS can be built.

Before too many people get a chance to misconstrue what I'm saying:

I'm not saying he doesn't have good genetics for the unfixables, but someone with the best genetics (or comparable genetics to Fedor) would be complete shit if he didn't put in the effort that Fedor does.

No one wants to realize their potential because it's a long, arduous journey to where Fedor is. Put in the effort and see where it takes you, or continue to be second-rate. That's all up to you.
>> Anonymous
>>74368

LMAO. This dumb shit has totally missed the argument for genetics.

Fedor trains harder than everyone else BECAUSE OF HIS FUCKING GENETICS

He has the effort because that is the person he is.
>> Anonymous
It's a little bit of both hard work and genetics. His younger brother Aleksander is barely in the top 10 heavyweights, and got creamed by Crocop. While he kicked Crocop's ass. And in an interview, he said that his work ethic why.
>> Anonymous
>>74368
You are contradicting yourself.
You say that somebody with the same genetics as Fedor could become like Fedor because they don't have the work ethic.
If they don't have the same work ethic, they quite clearly don't have the same Genes.
>> Anonymous
>>74368
If you have piss poor reflexes, even if you practice and work your CNS, you're never going to get "good". (assuming amphetamines not allowed)

It's like guys who are 100-110 lbs when they don't work out. At best they are going to get average build. No way in fuck are they getting big, they just dont have the genetics for it. (assuming steroids not allowed)
>> Anonymous
>>74368

Omg this guy actually denies genetics. LOL welcome to the 21st century. We have leptons and baryons here dumbshit.
>> Anonymous
Work ethic can be changed.

Im not sure if things like mental clarity when fighting can to the same extent as work ethic.
>> Anonymous
>>74388
Work ethic is changed for a particular persons genes allow this change. Work ethic can MOST CERTAINLY NOT be changed for everyone, and definitely not to the point of Fedor.
>> Anonymous
Fedor is a cyborg created by the russian government.

/end thread

Shit I thought I was on sherdog for a second
>> Anonymous
He works hard because of his genes. His brother genes are not the same as his, although they are similar.
>>74379
>> Anonymous
>>74368

ignore the dumbfuckers, esh, in general people think genetics are equivalent to magic
>> Anonymous
>>74391
Threaten a person with death if they don't change work ethic to perfection. They will. Like a threat that will ACTUALLY done.

Threaten a person with death if they don't start fighting with extreme mental clarity, and get amazing reflexes. They may not be able to and die.
>> Anonymous
You say Fedor works harder than everyone else. Can you please explain to me what it is that makes him do this, if it is not genetics?

I honestly do not know where you are coming from.
>> Anonymous
>>74397
Lol Magic! Welcome to the 21st century LMAO
>> Anonymous
While I DO THINK many people are lazy and don't try.

I DON'T THINK. Everyone has the same potential.

You're a delusional idiot if you do. Take someone with a naturally terrible memory and problem solving skills. Take someone with naturally good skills. Have them both try to complete medical school or something hard. Person with naturally shit skills is probably going to fail no matter how hard they try. Probably got a little better, but still sucks.

Take two guys. One naturally smooth and good with words and body language. Get one guy who is an awkward fuck with poor body language. Assume they both have the same appearance. Give them both the same practice and advice on getting women, or some other thing that deals with charming people. Give them both the same ammount of time to practice. Give them the same advice. Guess whos going to succede, and whos going to suck. Probably got a little better.

Take two guys. One who has naturally quick relflexes, and a good mental clarity in a fight. Take another with piss poor abilities. Give them both the same ammount of time to practice, and etc... Guess whos going to be good, and who is going to still suck. Probably got a little better though.
>> Anonymous
Fuck making me use logic now. Fedor trains differently from your average MMA fighter focusing on functional strength and flexibility where as most MMA fighters train in a body builder method his strength training is based on movements and motions found in MMA and grappling. This combined with his Drive(Many times he has said he thinks before every fight this man is trying to put me back to a poorer time when I couldn't support my family.) helps him achieve. His striking isn't technical or as powerful as other guys he just uses a method of striking that allows him to transition to the ground which is his strength coming from his Sambo and Judo training.
>> Anonymous
Hard work will never make someone of inferior genetics better than someone of superior genetics.

Fedor won the genetic lottery. He got his work ethic, his CNS, his intelligence, and his speed and power all from his genetics. It's that simple.

However, just because you recognize the massive impact that genes play doesn't mean that you're using that as an excuse not to get healthy and try harder. Even though I recognize that there are many out there with genes superior to me, doesn't mean I won't try to be the best that *I* can be, without worrying about everyone else.

Saying genetics doesn't play a MASSIVE role in athletic performance (or anything else, for that matter) is just ignorant. If genetics wasn't important, then why are most of the world's top sprinters of West African descent? Do they "work harder" than everyone else? No, they're just genetically inclined to be better.

Just like Fedor is genetically inclined to be a great fighter.
>> Anonymous
Lets put it this way. Do you think everyone who puts alot of effort into it can become a great artist? They can improve their skills by learning techniques, but they don't have the natural creativity and etc...

Now relate that to anything.
>> Anonymous
>>74413
You know in interviews Fedor said he was a small weak child.
>> Anonymous
>>74395

Nope, he claimed that Aleksander is more talented. In a disapproving tone, he said that Aleksander doesn't work hard enough so he has a worse fighting record than himself.

Again it's a bit of both, you can't just count out one entire factor.
>> Anonymous
>>74413
You aren't genetically programmed with skill.

What a load of shit. This is the typical excuse of a lazyman or a person who cannot fathom that hard work does indeed pay off. Fuck off douche.

10/10, excellent troll, would read again.
>> Anonymous
>>74331

>Don't delude yourself fatties, most girls don't like flab.

fix'd for you.
>> rowerfag
ITT
nature V nurture: redux
>> Anonymous
ITT we convince ourselves its not our fault for being fat fucks and not having super strength
>> Anonymous
>>74422

I didn't say that people were genetically programmed with skill. Go back and read my post again. Nowhere did I say your genes give you skill.

I also didn't say that hardwork doesn't pay off. Did you read? I said that despite genetic differences everyone should still try to be the best they can be.
>> Anonymous
>>74426
Well, arguing with a fat ass with an ego is like arguing with a drunk brick wall.

Flab is not more attractive than a lean cut build. Feel free to think what you want, and continue to be flabby, but don't whine when girls AND women don't like it.
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>>74413
jamacians ftw when it comes to 100m though.
Pic showing genetics in comic form 1/2, sauce Batman and the monster men
>> Anonymous
>>74413

Bullshit comparison. The Russians should be dominating MMA by your logic. There's only one Fedor right now.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Fedor training video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RREGFOZoZTk
>> Anonymous
ITT nature vs nurture
>> Anonymous
>>74451
No, that doesn't follow from his statement. He said Fedor is genetically inclined to be a good fighter, not russians in general.
>> Anonymous
>>74461

He used West African sprinters as evidence. I don't agree with that example.
>> Anonymous
>>74464
Yes, he used it as an example of genetic predisposition. I don't know about it being specifically West African, but it's undeniable that people of African descent are successful sprinters at an olympic level.
>> Anonymous
>>74433
True. Every kind of fat is disgusting. Don't think a girl likes you if she gives you a pity fuck, fatass. You'll never, ever, EVER get laid 1/1000000th of someone who you say has "durr hurr 1% body fat". Enjoy your jealousy.
>> Anonymous
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I have a different theory -

A lot of very ripped people aren't that 'strong'. Yeah, they can lift what they've been training on - bench press training builds muscle for bench pressing. Yeah, some carries over for all other activity, but there's not real core, linking strength in people who just do weights at the gym the whole time.

If you look at his training routine is much less specific - the hammer does the whole back, the arms, and the legs for balance. Those hand weights in the picture need core strength, especially when he waves them round.

Look at men with real physical jobs, ones that build muscle all over - they're never 'ripped', they're just huge. Big stomachs, not six packs.

He has muscle linking all the movements in his body, and they're all trained, not just arms, shoulder, back etc. Same with classic fighters like the Governor - huge, massively muscular but big belly, no real ripped arms or anything. Yet he destroyed everyone.

Picture related. I know it's his bro, but it shows what I mean.
>> Anonymous
>>74486

Your theory is kinda wrong.

Yes, people who work those jobs can potentially get strong, but there is a definite maximum to how strong they get, and they plateau fairly quickly.

Also, the guys you're thinking of are bodybuilders, and they aren't as strong as they look, because they are designed for looks.
Pro olympic lifters are ridiculously athletic because their lifts are the best exercises you can do, Pro powerlifters are less strong, and they look fat, but they are still ridiculously powerful
>> Anonymous
>>74495
First, I obviously don't mean to say that people should have hard jobs to get strong... I was just using that as an example - there is no plateau when you're training can be made harder, as in Fedor's case.

And no, I don't mean body builders, I mean people who train mostly on fixed weights.
>> Anonymous
>>74500

Well you mention people who look ripped, and those are bodybuilders. Powerlifters don't look ripped, just huge

Besides, lifting in a gym is definitely the fastest and most efficient way to get strong, if you do it properly
>> Anonymous
>>74502
I don't think you could argue that real-life strength gaining is more useful though. Look at gymnasts, they mimic a lot of IRL movements and use only their bodyweights and have been known to bench twice their bodyweight on first tries. Can a powerlifter who benches twice his own weight do planche pushups or iron cross? No, because the power he's developed is only at it's peak during the movement of his lifts.
>> Anonymous
>>74508
I agree.. not sure if you fucked up the first sentence though. But yeah, good example - as soon as these 'strong' people try and do something that requires core strength or several muscle groups at once, things go tit's up for them. However, the other way round, this big less specific guys can lift tonnes.
>> Anonymous
>>74508

yes and gymnasts also weigh like 100 fuckin pounds soaking wet

it isnt hard to bench 200 pounds
>> Anonymous
>>74513
When you are 100 pounds it is.
>> Anonymous
>>74508

No, you're wrong.

Yes, gymnasts can do those things, because they've trained doing those things for years, and know how do those things to the best of their ability. (Also they are genetic freaks)

Powerlifters are strong enough, but they don't train for those specific things, they're training for maximal strength, so they lack technique. Plus they weigh like 300+ pounds because of they extra they need to have.

Plus some of them can do it, if they wanted to.
>> Anonymous
>>74508
Wow, comparing gymnasts with powerlifters is about as faggy as it gets. Can a powerlifter break a gymnast in half? Why yes, yes he can.
>> Anonymous
Fedor is half god

http://youtube.com/watch?v=htWaZ5BxQgk
>> Anonymous
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>>74523
Yeah, look how much of a pussy this guy is. Looks pretty weak, right? Idiot.
>> Anonymous
How the fuck did Fedor know that he had some good genetics? Is it on his mind when he's training for months before a fight?

Also same with Tyson with his fucking short arms and height?
>> Anonymous
>>74539
His strenght is proportional to the image size.
>> Anonymous
>>74521
That's exactly it though. Powerlifters have retarded amounts of strength that can only be exerted efficiently in specific motions. Gymnasts can lift reasonable amounts but have mastered control over their own bodies. I'm not saying powerlifting produces useless strength, but I think in terms of usefulness something like gymnastics would prove more versatile.
>>74523
Professional gymnasts aren't skinny useless bastards. Even T-Nation, a website devoted to powerlifting, gives props to gymnasts. http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=512003.
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>>74549

200*150= 30 000
OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND.
>> Anonymous
>>74550

Ok, how do you xplain then why many powerlfiters go on to be competitive "strongmen" athletes, and some to become good heavyweight fighters.

gymnasts for versatile, at being gymnasts

Besides, who would you want on your side, a 150 very trained gymnast, or a 300 pounds powerlifter?
>> Anonymous
>>74561
Oh come on, a lot of strongman events are similar to powerlifting moves anyways. Like deadlifting a car or flipping some tires. Lots of overhead press movements too, and moving heavy things from one spot to another. As for fighting I have no doubt a professional gymnast could become a quality fighter with the right training, since they certainly have the strength and conditioning to do so but lack the technique. And your choice of a 150 pound gymnast or a 300 pound deadlifter really depends on what you'd have them around for. To scare the shit out of people and to lift/break things, yes, the powerlifter. But to climb a tree to fetch something or pickup girls definitely the gymnast. I don't think powerlifters are useless, they are fucking beasts and what changed my routine from curlz and kickbacks to deadlifts and squats, but I do think gymnasts build more useful and natural muscles than they do.
>> Anonymous
I KNOW THE ANSWER..

"Emelianenko's enthusiasm for fighting began with Sambo and judo. He initially trained under Vasiliy Ivanovich Gavrilov, and later under his current coach, Vladimir Mihailovich Voronov. Voronov remembers that ten-year-old Fedor was relatively weak physically and did not have an innate grappling talent; instead, his biggest strength was his perseverance and strong will."

His will power.
>> Anonymous
>>74561
>>Besides, who would you want on your side, a 150 very trained gymnast, or a 300 pounds powerlifter?

Do you remember when Trunks reached USSJ and fought with Cell? Do you remember how he ultimately lost despite having overwhelming strength? It's because that kind of great strength and size comes at a price: the loss of speed and agility. Goku and Vegeta both understood that, and it's why they chose to pass that form over in search of something better.
>> Anonymous
>>74575
oh my god you didn't
>> Anonymous
>>74568
How is their muscle less natural, or less useful? You are going to have define that.

Besides, we're talking about functional muscle, meaning who can do things that requires muscle. Like, the powerlifter can just pull the tree down, fight someone off for you.

Climbing a tree has very little to do with strength, and picking up girls has nothing to do with strength.

I mean, I can see your point about picking girls, the gymnast would be gay, so you would have less competition, while the powerlifter would scare the girl into sex
>> Anonymous
Almost all the best fighters I've ever seen have been relatively "Pudgy" and not particularly toned. The deadliest people are usually the most unassuming ones. In Fedor's case numerous factors are in his favour, not least of which being his almost perfect height/reach/weight for mma. As well as his complete dominance of submissions mixed with extremely powerful striking. He doesn't defy logic. He's just a good example of everything coming together just about right.
>> Anonymous
>>74579
I say less natural and less useful in terms of the muscles working with the joints in your body. A gymnast is more flexible and agile while still able to keep a high level of strength. And no, I don't care how big and strong you are you can't just "pull the tree down", that's ridiculous.

Climbing a tree has as much to do with strength as rock climbing does. Which means a lot. It's just muscle-ups and having good balance.

About the girls....well you can say whatever you want but I can guaran-fucking-tee you that gymnasts get a lot more pussy than powerlifters who "scare girls" into sex. A lot.
>> Anonymous
a point well made regarding Dragon Ball Z... as it ALWAYS mimic real life... regardless... size doesn't neccisarily make one slower, for instance... heavyweight olympic lifters, such as Rezazadeh.. are some of the most explosive athletes in the world....furthermore... any way of getting stronger requires lifting weights... athletes that want to get the strongest possible generally have techniques primarily consisting o-lifting and powerlifting
>> Anonymous
If you want functional muscle, I'd go with a fucking Recon Marine, SAS, or SEAL. They'd fucking kill 3 guys twice their size at once with a spoon.
>> rowerfag
don't forget spetsnaz... i would actually argue that the recon marine and spetsnaz are better physically prepared for X occurence, while the seal and SAS agent get better guns and gear... though i wouldn't want to fight any of them
>> Anonymous
>>74592

you're an uninformed idiot, The army shit is basically only good cardio, with a little bit of strentgh, which is what you need for the army. Yo take an army guy, probably around 6' 200 pounds, vs a powerlifter at around 5'11 330 pounds, they army guy has no chance, the powerlifter will win through sheer strength and explosiveness.

Also, getting pussy is not fucking relevant, drop it.

Their strength is no any less useful, gymnasts are usually more agile, you still need a lot of co-ordination to lift like they do
>> rowerfag
>>74604
that's why armed forces use guns or at the very least melee weapons... it's what they're good at... it's what they *want* to be good at
>> Anonymous
>>74604
you see, they will be trained to pick up near by objects and use them as weapons and how to disable someone effectivly.

And completely destroy a powerlifter in a fight. In every single situation IRL, someone will pick up a weapon. It's realistic ability.
>> Anonymous
>>74596
>don't forget spetsnaz... i would actually argue that the recon marine and spetsnaz are better physically prepared for X occurence, while the seal and SAS agent get better guns and gear... though i wouldn't want to fight any of them

/k/ommando here.
Spet are not the force they once were.
SAS are recruited from British Army primarily, a high requirement is ENDURANCE. So you're wrong there. Us Britfags in the forces have a far higher FITNESS level than you yanks. To much bullshit placed on looking big and lifting weights - completely useless.
And SEAL, exactly the same, far higher fitness required than your basic US marine grunt. (Your marines dont even come close to royal marines, like to see you yanks doing a 30 miler at the end of training.)
>> Anonymous
>>74322
>>74322
>>74322
>>74322


Interviewer: What did you want to be when you were a child?
Fedor Emelianenko: I always wanted to be a top great athlete, but I was not athletic, my dreams couldn’t come true because many of my classmates were faster, better coordinated and bigger than me.

GTFO with your "natural alpha male" bullshit.
>> Anonymous
And to end the girl argument in this thread, girls don't like the athlete BODY as much as they like the athlete MENTALITY.

What does that mean?

It means that someone who grew up to be a professional athlete, is used to winning, being top, and getting what he wants. All these are alpha male traits and women absolutely submit to those.

As opposed to the typical poster here who started as a fat nerd and ended as an even more bitter, but musclebound nerd who still doesn't win anything.

I rest my case.
>> Anonymous
>>74631

This isn't true. I'm a girl, and girls like hot guys. None of this "alpha male bullshit". We'd rather have a guy who is hot, but not overly confident, than a pudgy "athletic" guy with more confidence than he has a right to have.

Pudgy body = NOT attractive, I don't care what kind of "mentality" the guy has

A lean athletic body is always better
>> Anonymous
>>74631
I'm seriously amazed at the ammount of idiots who think women put so much emphasis on personality.

They like a lean cut body. That does not mean a stick. It means a LEAN CUT BODY. not flab.

Women are people too. They get horny at the sight of an attractive man. Jesus do you idiots really think they don't? Flab is not aesthetically appealing.

End of argument.
>> Anonymous
>>74631
Go buy yourself a nice abbreviated social psychology textbook and reassess your statement.

You will find yourself to be hopelessly incorrect.

>>74647
Truth.
>> Anonymous
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>>74647
>>74648
I'm this>>74631guy, and i get girls stolen by ugly fat assholes all the time. Because they are richer, drive better cars and go out to expensive places. Shut the fuck up.
>> Anonymous
>>74657
Face.

Argument closed.
>> Anonymous
>>74657
Quite simply. You're ugly. No turn on.
>> Anonymous
>>74657

you lose girls to guy who have nicer cars and more money? sounds like you should reassess the type of chicks you are going for.
>> Anonymous
>>74631
Sadly, sir, there isn't any actual workout done by the visitors of this board. It's all pretty much talk here, so calling someone on /fit/ musclebound is very far from the truth.

>>74647
Seeing as you're posting here, I wouldn't really classify you as a "girl" or allow you to use the term "us girls".
>> Anonymous
Using Genetics as a crutch to win arguments is a cop out. Ultimately people that work hard and don't give two shits about outside defeatist attitude from idiots, will find the true potential in them.
>> Anonymous
The answer to OP question is right there in OP picture. The shoes he is wearing. Look at them.
>> Anonymous
>>74657
You don't need an "alpha male" mentality to get rich any more.

Although it probably helps.
>> Anonymous
I'm a passive fuck. Well, not agressive. I'll get into a physical fight if it escalates. But I don't like to have verbal DICK SIZE contests with idiots IRL. I usually just ignore.

I make 6 figures, and am in shape. Former Navyfag. Now an engineer.

I get wimmenz. Im not alpha. I think they care more about money. Because they seem to be interested immensely when I say I'm an engineer, because most people think that it's an 250000 + job when it's really a 60-100 job.
>> Anonymous
This thread is so stupid. It doesn't matter what you look like or how strong you are because women are idiots and only want money. Start directing your own porn and you'll get to handpick any girl you want to fuck. It's how I'll have a fresh supply of 18 year old girls to bang welllll into my 50's.
>> Anonymous
I bet I could beat this Fedor guy in a race.

He doesn't really look like he has ungodly speed.
>> Anonymous
MAAANROIDS
>> Anonymous
Most of you are completely mistaken when it comes to what women like in a guy.

We are the same as guys. We want good looks first and foremost. Personality and other factors come second.

Stop telling yourself that if you exude "confidence" or if you have a nice car or a lot of money, girls will come flocking to you. It's true that a HANDFUL might, but on the whole, most women aren't going to flock to some guy just because he has money/confidence. They'll flock to a good-looking guy.
>> Anonymous
>>74732
He runs 9 miles a day. Lets see you do it faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>74741
The good looks get you interested and rope you in, the personality ties you up. Are you meaning to tell me all girls just go for the hot guy no matter what his personality?

...Actually, considering I know a lot of girls who continue to date assholes who treat them like shit, I think I just answered my own question.

You girls sure are crazy!
>> Anonymous
>>74744

Want me to make a video?
>> Anonymous
thread took a terrible turn, just keep calling anyone who disagrees with you fat fucks, that proves you are correct
>> Anonymous
>>74757
Yep. Won't believe it until you do.
>> Anonymous
>>74760
Welcome to every thread on /fit/
>> rowerfag
>>74744
you know... 9 miles is not much, 10 was the midlength run for my old crew
>> Anonymous
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>>74580

Say what?
>> Anonymous
>>74580
or maybe he's an heavyweight and don't give jackshit about gettin a six pack ?
>> Anonymous
>>73610
he lifted weights when he was younger and has been fighting his entire life

/thread
>> Anonymous
>>74747
and us guys pick attractive people on sight rather than by talking to them. even if we aren't in their league we will hypocritically call them shallow whores if they won't go out with us.
>> Anonymous
Punching power comes from a combination of timing, accuracy, muscle memory, body weight placement, speed, strength, fist-bone density, core power etc.

Big arms != strong punch

Boxer's look ripped because they are
a) endurance athletes (moreso than mma)
b) cut weight same day as fight

most heavyweight boxers are cut (or at least in the old days used to be) because they followed a strict diet, a lot of today's heavyweights look like shit.

Fedor eats whatever he wants, usually fights around 230s- but will probably look and be undersized against the bigger HW's.

In terms of striking- he is not great, having a shorter reach than most HW's does not help.

In terms of ground- he is not the best submission guy, but he does have good top control


However, in terms of combining all of those things he beat the best standup fighter at striking and the best ground fighter on the ground (twice)- this makes him the best HW, because he is one of the first really well rounded HW's in MMA, and tend's to beat fighters at their own game.

Aleks has sick boxing, but is not as well rounded as his brother on the ground. Fedor lifted weights in the army, so it might explain why he is so strong and explosive.

Physique has little to do with fighting or power in general, and often times a big muscular guy gets gassed before a chubby guy.
>> G
Genetics + Drive = /thread.


GTFO.
>> Anonymous
>>75258
Genetics is still a copout for lazymen.

Every wall you encounter can be climbed or demolished, regardless of your genetic disposition. Anyone who claims otherwise is falling victim to this pseudo-scientific bullshit where genetics make up more than 50%. More like 5%. You still have 95% of the path in front of you before you hit your final wall. Fedor has many left as well, so long as he keeps pushing himself.

tldr: genetics is bullshit 95% of the time.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Sherdog nerds argue about Fedor in a mighty gay way.

Why don't you just give up and resume posting memes in the OT?
>> Anonymous
>>75313

'cuz the OT is horseshit nowadays.
>> Anonymous
>>75281

This is that 5%

He trains as hard as anyone, he has as good of technique as anyone, but he also has things that training can't give you. He clearly has a high pain threshold. And from the physcial aspect, no matter how much you work out, your not going to be able to get things like his shoulders and keep the mobility in them.

I a not discrediting him, becuase he deserves it as much as anyone else, but he was made to fight
>> Anonymous
>>75322

no, buddy. your argument would make sense if he and his opponents engaged in the exact same training regimen. you know, removing all other variables. this is not the case.
>> Anonymous
if some-one thinks genetcs makes the man they oviously have'nt played "Metal Gear SOlid" Snake's own superior clone {spoiler}get's beaten by him {\spoiler}
>> Anonymous
all you "pro-genetics" idiots don't know shit

genetics gave fedor his body type and his muscle fiber type. it did not give him the skills needed to become a top fighter, those he worked for.

genetics also determines your maximum potential, WHICH NONE OF YOU HAVE REACHED. work ethic is a state of mind, not a genetic trait.
>> Anonymous
>>75322

you can train your pain threshold
>> Anonymous
>>75405
by hitting your penis with a hammer.
>> Anonymous
FAT FUCKS
>> Anonymous
back to fedor...

Nearly every guy Ive known who was freakishly strong for their size, looked like fedor. From wrestling, football, and bjj.

I dont mean white and russian, I mean the overall tone, muscular but not ripped. Soft looking but no "jiggle". Black, white, whatever race, it was odd.

I think its a combination of diet, and genetics. All else being more or less equal. similar workouts, similar activity outside of sport/gym, similar region geographically.

the one exception was a big ass Thai guy from my highschool, he was HUGE (for Thai) like 6'2" and jacked like nothing else. We all did similar workouts (for our respective sizes and weights) and his body went down the super toned/ripped avenue.
>> Anonymous
>>75456
Being pudgy doesn't make you stronger you fucking idiot.

He has muscle underneath. And a layer of fat above. Holy shit you're retarded.
>> Anonymous
The fat layer over his muscles is an advantage. The Roman gladiators have been found to have layers of fat, one, to absorb the blocks and blows of their adversaries weapons, and two, the fat protects against bleeding from nicks and cuts.
>> Anonymous
He's Russian, right?


/thread
>> Anonymous
>>75502
thats just it, hes not pudgy you dumb son of a bitch. He just doesn't look cut.

shut your fucking mouth
>> Anonymous
tldr
he has Big Boss' genes.
>> Anonymous
in terms of natural ability and talent, he has always said he brother was more gifted, and he was the one who had to work harder.

rocklee.jpg
>> Anonymous
>>74747

No, that's not what I meant. Of course personality matters, for a long-term relationship and such...

I'm just trying to drive home the point that for us girls, attraction to a man is pretty much the same as how a man gets attracted to a woman. Like you said, appearance ropes you in, personality makes you stay.

The reason that I want to emphasize this is because I am so fucking tired of guys spreading the myth that girls will immediately flock to a guy with "confidence". No, that's bullshit. If you are an ugly fatass with confidence, we will generally not flock to you. Even if you are an average looking guy with confidence, we are more likely to go for a hot guy with less confidence. I don't want guys to use the "confidence" myth to avoid improving their appearance.

If you want lots of girls, priority #2 should be focusing on making yourself LOOK BETTER, not on developing more confidence or making more money. How many women do you know who exert a lot of effort trying to improve their confidence level or trying to get richer? Very few, we focus on making ourselves look better. Guys should do this too.

Ultimately, as far as long-term relationships go, a good personality is absolutely necessary to make the relationship survive. But as far as initial attraction goes, appearance is much more important than confidence or money.
>> Anonymous
Omg yeah he's so tough, he can punch a guy in the head who's lying down! he must obviously be the biggest badass on earth!
>> Anonymous
>>75894
God damn I don't think I've ever seen so much bullshit packed into one itty bitty post in all my loife.
>> Anonymous
MMA is fake as shit. Its giving a whole new generation of males to think this is how fights go down. Just like how boxing instilled in their father's generation the 'etiquette of combat' where you never hit a man when he's down. I'll tell you what, real fights never happen in a predetermined location, real fights never involve just one-on-one, and real fights don't have any rules.
>> Anonymous
>>76086

Maybe newfags to MMA don't realize this, but most old fans and fighters are well aware of this. MMA was just a sport to see which art was best (arguably a marketing tool for the Gracies.) Now that jocks have gotten into it, it's taken a turn for the worse. This applies to most things in life.
>> Allen !!azqwwbAu8D0
MMA is more real than any other sport or kung fu or Tae kwon bullshit
>> Allen !!azqwwbAu8D0
>>76099

Physically fit contenders who know a variety of fighting and are well trained will come out on top. Also, you couldn't see which art was really better, just who was a better representative.

Art Jimmerson and his one glove didn't represent boxing sucking.

Sakuraba's existence doesn't mean wrestling > BJJ.

Etc. The game evolved beyond them.
>> Anonymous
>>76111

Well, now people train in "MMA."

Hell, I know. I've been in Martial Arts all my life and have been doing BJJ, Boxing, and MT heavily for the last two years.

I still see it as training for a sport. It's not about self-defense or anything. I have no delusions about street fights or anything stupid like that. The only thing I train for is to win at the sport of MMA.
>> Anonymous
>>76102
Having centuries of history for self defense, hunting, and military training while spawning dozens of variations is definitely bullshit.
>> Anonymous
>>76102

All of those are out-dated or useless. If you want to learn real fighting, join the military or a street gang.
>> Anonymous
>>76102

No. Many Asian martial arts were designed to be effective in war. Combat. Life or death situations. They were designed to compliment an army's environment and weaponry training (for example, Jui-Jitsu stemming from Fuedal Japan in which throws and take downs were very effective against armored Samurai and mercenary fighters of the time...real battlefield Jui-Jitsu focused on takedowns and quick knife attacks to kill an armored foe).

MMA, in the name, is kind of misleading. It isn't a mix of all martial arts, or which ones are the best overall, it's just a mix of which ones are better in a FAIR FIGHT, in a RING, with two unarmed opponents.

Yet, can an MMA fighter beat a Kendo master when he is armed with a 10,000 dollar professionally smithed sword that is capable of lopping off a human head with only a little bit of PSI behind it? Or does an MMA champion know jackshit about combat knife fighting with a KA-BAR?
>> Anonymous
I would lay money down on a trained MMA fighter vs. just about anyone else in a knife fight. full-force training techniques are really that valuable.
>> nj
whatsup with the retards saying MMA is not useful in real life? Of course it is. Why wouldnt it be? I dont see faggot gang bangers, or military personal winning big time mma fights.
>> Anonymous
>>76118

They teach martial arts in the military as well, a mix of martial arts they deem useful. Oh, like MMA.
>> svenska
wow, 99% of you are retarded faggots who probably are fatshits as well.

FAT MOVES WEIGHT. Simple. All of the world's strongest men have been at least 18%. You can't deny that.

Fedor trains his ass off. He could tell you his exact routine and diet, and you'd still never be as great as he is for two reasons:
1)you do not have anywhere near the determination he has
2)his jaw can probably take a harder punch.

Also, he has a meso-endo frame, which almost always produces the strongest athletes.
>> Anonymous
>>76119

That's fucking obvious. A kid with a machine gun can beat any MMA champion that is barehanded.

Alright, if we're going to be nitpicky about details... In a one on one, barehanded fight, MMA > all. Most old Asian martial arts are bullshit nonsense.
>> Anonymous
>>76119
wah wah wah wah. many asian styles of martial arts are faggotry and always will be. your 'battlefield' ju-jitsu got it's ass handed to it by 'sporting' judo in the early 20th century, because as this guy>>76130said, full force is really that valuable.

saging because, not being content with shitting up /k/ on a regular basis, weeaboo faggots have immigrated to /fit/.
>> Anonymous
>>76133

They teach it as sport to entertain the troops. Most of the 'real' techniques end with a boot stomp and a rifle barrel shoved into the back of the head.
>> Anonymous
MMA just can't compete with a trained knife fighter. Maybe a faggot that just whips out a switchblade.
>> Anonymous
Having a gun > MMA >>>>>>>>>>>> Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, etc
>> Anonymous
Hey on a related topic, I'm trying to start a MMA club at my school...

(I'm a kickboxer, I have some friends who are wrestlers and boxers, and one guy who knows 6 styles)

How long should we prepare and train with each other before challenging the Tae Kwon Do club? Lol this will be epic
>> Anonymous
Krav Maga and other military arts > MMA. Because military arts teach to kill and cripple, as all good fighting systems should. If you just want to compete at something, take up basketball or football. You MMAfags should quit pretending that you all are warriors and leave the real fighting to people that actually need it.
>> Anonymous
>>76142

Because that sporting Judo was designed for 1 on 1 tournament fighting, not battlefield survival.

You're a moron simply because the concept of what I was saying went CLEAR over your head. These are different fighting styles. They excel in different areas and were designed for different purposes. One only becomes "better" when you factor in your personal bias of the activity they are designed for.

Surely, most civilians and enthusiasts need nothing more than 1 on 1 tournament fighting style. Take that shit into a warzone and it becomes garbage. Stuff like Marine Corps Martial Arts, for example, is designed from the ground up to be a last ditch COMBAT survival fighting system, often focusing on control of a handgun or small bladed weapon, factoring in variable wartime surroundings and utilizing those to your advantage. All of that is pointless in an MMA ring, but it's vital to a Marine in deep shit in a combat zone.

Like I saw on a video of this Navy Seal speaking about various fighting styles. He said something along the lines of "Put me into a ring with Liddell or Ortiz and I could be very likely to leave with a broken limb, but put us out in Iraq and they would be very likely to bleed out on the sand."
>> Anonymous
>>76162

MMA users do know how to kill and cripple. They just don't, within a sports ring. Why don't you go and challenge a MMA guy on a street?
>> Anonymous
krav maga = BS

im sorry, but krav maga's most useful thing is probably learnnig how to use pressure points.

wat else does krav maga have over mma? strikes? OOPS! NOPE!

grappling? NOPE!

form? stances? efficiency? fluidity? NOPE!

hmmm...

sorry, but KM is just as BS as tae kwon doe. only losers who know jackshit about MA would claim it to be better than a real MA.

Heres KM in a nutshell: Use this technique (which has a high chance of failure) against a person wif a knife! then run!

sorry, but KM = wimmenz self-defense course
>> Anonymous
>>76169

Ok, should I bring my pistol or 5 of my friends? Your choice.
>> Anonymous
>>76170

Nah, it's still better than tae kwon do and kung fu shit. Krav maga was somewhat recent and had actual fighting science behind it.
>> Anonymous
muay thai > KM on the street

boxing > km on the street


hell, BJJ is probably better than KM on the street
>> Anonymous
>>76172

And then go to jail for attempted murder. MMA is more fit for society.
>> Anonymous
>>76170

1/10
>> Anonymous
>>76168
you're a fucking idiot because you seem to think that dancing in a corner (the main practise of 'battlefield' ju-jitsu) has any sort of carry over to real fighting. ever done a military cqc course? they fucking hurt dickweed. go back to watching future weapons.
>> Anonymous
>>76169

It depends on their personal knowledge of styles. Most MMA fighters who trained from the ground up to become MMA fighters would NOT survive on the streets, because street fighting is not about boxing or ground and pound, it's about weaponry and multiple opponents.

This is why Krav Maga was created. They focus on weapon fighting. They focus on dealing with multiple opponents by using FAST attacks to keep them confused. They focus on AVOIDING GROUND FIGHTING BECAUSE IT WILL MEAN YOUR DEATH IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO SEE YOUR SURROUNDINGS.

A Gracie style fighter is an ass kicker in a one on one if he is guaranteed to not be jumped. Ground and pound is an amazing system for ONE ON ONE.

I mean shit, this argument could go on forever. It's like comparing a team based sport like football to a one on one or two on two sport like tennis.

The fact is that MMA fighting styles based on shit like Jui-Jitsu are great for a fighting duel. Krav Maga and other reality based fighting styles are great for "HOLY SHIT THREE NIGGERS WITH BASEBALL BATS OUT OF NOWHERE!" moments. Just go watch an unstaged Krav Maga demonstration. They'll often have three or more people attacking a Krav Maga fighter and the KM guy has no idea what they're going to do. A lot of the time he's given a rubber knife or something to simulate real self-defense with a concealed weapon and any direct stabs with that knife are considered to down the opponents. A Gracie fighter would not be able to survive that KM style streetfight unless he also knew similar streetfighting techniques.
>> Anonymous
>>76178

It did at the time it was designed, idiot. Before firearms, the only effective unarmed style against armored opponents was to get them on the ground where their heavy armor worked against them. It's a niche style and it is obsolete these days because we fucking fight with guns and much more agile military armors.

>>76176

He's justified if he's on the defensive. MMA might be more "fit" for society, but a pistol is more "fit" for ensuring someone walks out of the situation ALIVE.
>> Anonymous
>>76176

Cops don't magically show up in bad situations. The majority of murder cases are never solved. In the 5 minutes of build up to the jumping to the 30 seconds it took for the 5 people to beat the MMA fighter's brains in or the 2 seconds it took to shoot him, no witnesses had the chance to identify the perpetrators or to call the police yet. That just leaves one dead man in the street, and all the police will have are "leads". Cases unsolved.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Butthurt MMAfags
>> Anonymous
>>76186
>>76186

KM = combat situations, which is defined as techniques used in war

however, krav maga is pretty useless without it.
krav maga in of itself, is a shitty MA. shit strikes, shit grapples, shit form, etc. what it is good for is prepparing yourself mentally. but then again, that's what self-defense courses teach you, amirite?


MMA is more than grappling. depending on the trainer, it is incorparated into it muay thai, boxing, and full-contact karate, which are the best forms of striking. `
>> sage !jyye8faDxg
>>76191
of course, if you train mma you have no friends to back you up. what if you brought 5 of your nerdy faggot friends and the mma guy brought 5 of his muscular, athletic, conditioned and trained friends?
>> Anonymous
>>76191

And the funny thing is, a lot of those types of murders aren't even well prepared by the attackers and they STILL go unsolved. Just let an attacker prepare to ensure no fingerprints show up anywhere, shell casings are quickly disposed of, none of the attacker's hair is left at the scene (the infamous wetsuit and body shaving handle this rather well), etc. Do all of that and the cops likely will close the case within a week.

Shit, the fact cops exist doesn't even stop anything. I could murder someone right in front of a cop and that person would still be murdered, regardless of the fact the cop might have shot me or I got arrested and found guilty. Still got an innocent corpse on the sidewalk.

I'm far from a violent person or a gun user, but I'd definitely want to look into carrying a small 9mm or something if I lived in a bigger city, especially given that I can't fight and I am a skinny emo type. It's just scary how random shit could go down and the fact you were able to utilize a tool to overcome your own weaknesses made it so you walked away alive.
>> Anonymous
Fighting is only acceptable for survival situations. Any other uses of it is for the uncultured.
>> Anonymous
>>76197

I think maybe they'd start talking about Halo 3 and find common ground, then go grab a few beers.
>> Anonymous
>>76201

Nah the nerds will get their ass whooped
>> sage !jyye8faDxg
>>76203
precisely
>> Anonymous
>>76204
>>76197
Because everyone always agrees to meet at one point to organize a big fight huh? Do you send out invitations and memos as well? And because calling your opposition a nerd makes you right?
>> Anonymous
People that think MMA is real are stupid. Sure, MMA techniques are used in a street fight, but so are bats, knives, bottles, guns, and multiple opponents. Does MMA train for this? No, they train for advance notice, one-on-one fights, with set rules. MMA = inferior.
>> Guil
>>76509
MMA is inferior to weapons, are you sure? You're a genius!
>> Anonymous
yo can your MMA figher compete against a guy with a fighter JET??? LOL i think not MMA sux!!! why would you want to play a sport?? fags!
>> Anonymous
MMAfags always say MMA is 'teh ALTYMATE REAL FITEING STYL!!!!11", but as soon as it gets called out for not being useful IRL fighting, they immediately go back to saying its just a sport. MMAfags are delusional, more so than the weeaboo idiots. If you are going to play a sport, pick something like baseball, soccer, football, or any of the other myriad sports out there.
>> Anonymous
>>76532

NO U
>> Anonymous
>>76532

ITS REAL GODDAMNIT
>> Anonymous
What people call the MMA nowadays is a complete raping of what used to mean someone who actually trained in and respected multiple disciplines of martial arts. A majority of these assholes would still lose to the true practitioners of the martial arts. Wish we had another Bruce Lee around so he could laugh at these dumbasses.
>> Anonymous
>>76532
The only real fight I've been in I won by rear naked choke. Grappling is highly effective against people with no grappling experience.
>> Anonymous
>>76539
Only ever had to be in a couple, but usually when they see me drop into my forward stance and I land a few solid hits on them while not taking any, most people back off. Average unarmed streetpunk knows not to mess with people who know what they're doing.
>> Anonymous
I love the genetic debate here.

If its just genetics, how come his brother isnt just as good?
>> Anonymous
>>76539

It is. I won't say that grappling is ineffective, there's a time and place for that.

I'm 22 and been in a bar fight with my older brother and his friends. Everyone had a little too much too drink, one of his friends got into a shouting match with some guys, and then fists were thrown. Our friend got taken down by a dude that obviously had wrestling experience, who then landed on top of him in a front mount and started to flail away. That fucker didn't get up, because he got stomped in the head and from behind by like 3 different people. He just didn't pay attention that there were many people involved. Of course, we had to fight off the guy's other friends, who jumped in almost as soon as we did. My brother had to get like 7 stitches for a gash on his ear from getting hit from behind. Anyways, my only regret is that I didn't get to smash a beer bottle on anyone's head, that shit would have been SO cash.
>> Anonymous
>>76546
You don't know shit about genetics. Just admit it before Anonymous schools you in this topic.
>> Anonymous
You know shit about working hard you fat ass faggot.
>> Anonymous
MMA is far superior to any weaboo martial art. Yeah, getting shot > MMA. But a MMA person can challenge any kung fu or karate master and beat the shit out of him
>> Anonymous
IF U DO MMA U R AUTOMATICALLY INVINCIBLE AGAINST ANYONE WHO TRAINS AN ART DAT IS NOT TEH MMA OMGZ GAIS.

stfu idiots. the fighter is more important than the fucking art. all martial arts teach the same basic things. no art is innately superior.
>> Anonymous
>>76804
no, no, your wrong.

muay thai.

also tiger crane bitch
>> Anonymous
>>76804
MMA is a stripped down martial art. Its a lot easier to learn and probably shows of natural talent more. IMO its just brawling with kicks. I used to fight like that in school
>> Anonymous
>>77426
In school it's more like, you try to get in a hit or two, but you end up clinching, falling and the one who was on top pummels the other one, and wins.

Unless one of them knows what they're doing. In that case they kick the ever living shit outta the other guy.
>> Anonymous
>>77454
there was a few of us who knew how to fight but yeah, you're right, that's what usually happens. and it happens a lot in MMA
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTKxuyqWi_8
this is why I don't like MMA
two chubby professionals swing some slow, weak kicks at each others legs. as a sport you can't compare MMA with boxing
>> Anonymous
>>77454
that is like EVERY mma fight i have ever seen, and NO actual martial art fight i have ever seen (real Chinese arts, not japanfail arts.)
>> Anonymous
>>77498
actually you can't even compare MMA to skilled sumo
>> Anonymous
>>77498

Boxing is fucking boring, whoop de doo, a million rounds where nothing happens.
>> Anonymous
>>77589
And in MMA it usually goes to the floor and one guy chokes the other or gets a hold on a limb.
Most MMA fighters are so unskilled, it's hilarious.
Every wrestler or judoka of olympic quality would make mincemeat out of these guys.
>> Anonymous
>>77602

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidehiko_Yoshida

This man was a Judoka gold winner who competed in MMA. He gets the shit beaten out of him and has a fail record.
>> Anonymous
>>76804

I believe San Shou is a Chinese martial art. Cung Le destroyed Frank Shamrock with classic San Shou tactics. Therefore, San Shou > MMA.
>> Anonymous
>>77635
A single example isn't enough to back San Shou>MMA.

Regardless, I agree
>> Anonymous
>>77635

Sanshou is a relatively new kickboxing Kung Fu that came around with efficiency in mind, not some bullshit dancing crane animal weaboo dumbfuckery that is the rest of China's systems.

And secondly, while I respect Cung Le since he's my instructor's instructor, he has yet to be tested by any strong submission artist/top 25 middle weight. Franky went toe to toe with him only in standup.

Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, etc will demolish Cung Le.
>> Anonymous
>>77640

San shou's been doing the same thing MMA proponents claim to have invented for a long time already. The MMA world is going to be seeing a lot of san shou in the coming years. The prosperity of China means that their fighters will make their way over here, to open up schools and make money, or they will start entering MMA tournaments en masse out of their growing sense of nationalism.

>>77644
No, san shou is a complete martial art, not just a 'new kickboxing' MA. They grapple just as well as they strike.
>> Anonymous
>>77656

Name one other Sanshou user in MMA besides Cung Le.
>> Anonymous
>>77664

I watch San shou, I don't watch MMA, except when my gay ass friends are watching it. But thats the only fight I wanted to see, because I remember the Shamrocks from back in the day and I heard Cung Le did San shou. I do San shou kuai jiao, and thats what interested me. So, I'll start watching MMA when more San shou fighters cross over.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DUmU4T3LdM

Philippines street fight training
>> Anonymous
1. Work Hard
2. Good Genes (possibly)
3. ???
4. Profit!!