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I'm new to /fit/, but I heard you guys hate crossfit. Granted, the people on that site are sometimes idiots, but the coach isn't a demagogue or a salesman, he knows his stuff.

So I've been doing it for a few months now, and I can perform way better in bodyweight exercises, as well as olympic lifts. I'll admit it's not the best routine for bulking up, but I alternate workouts between their high intensity stuff, and low rep powerlifts for recovery days.
>> Anonymous
cf>/fit/
>> Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with the CrossFit program or the ideas behind it. The thing that is annoying about CF is some of its members act like they invented fitness/various exercises/etc. and that CF is the be-all end-all of fitness regardless of the individuals goals.
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>> Anonymous
Crossfit fags need to GTFO.
>> Anonymous
Crossfit is a harder cult to bring down than Scientology.
>> Anonymous
In b4 complaints about shitty pull up form, etc.

I don't like crossfit as a group but I'll admit they get results.
>> Anonymous
>The thing that is annoying about CF is some of its members act like they invented fitness/various exercises/etc. and that CF is the be-all end-all of fitness regardless of the individuals goals.

Where does this happen? I don't surf any other fitness sites except /fit/, and the Crossfitters in here don't do any proselytizing that I'm aware of.
>> Anonymous
The Cult of SQUATZ is a bigger menace than Crossfit.
>> Anonymous
The Crossfit forums have been getting trolled now for the past few months. Goddamnit, I know someone from here is behind it. Fess up, /fit/.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=34353
>Hi All, not trying to start a war but I' am very confused.

Obvious troll is obvious
>> Anonymous
>>241734

Thx for the great idea. Everybody get an account on Crossfit forums so we can troll their asses. Make sure you have a dynamic IP or Tor, they drop the banhammer like crazy.
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I have no problems with CF, except for the fact that they come to /fit/ just to advertise themselves. Who really gives a fuck. I'd rather buy Five Finger Ass Shoes than to take a look at some fitness cult.

They should seriously Jonestown.
>> Anonymous
The 'kipping pullup' is complete bullshit. They call it a "full body exercise" to hide the fact that its not a good back exercise.

How could /fit/ endorse this when we hate cheating? If someone is using their hips to throw up big bicep curls, don't we all hate that? Well that is what a Cross-Fit kipping pull up is. cheating your body to throw up lots of "pull ups."

I hate shit where they show someone who cant do a pull up knock out 10 kipping pullups. That just PROVES its a shit back exercsie. I'd rather be on Wii Fit than do that shit.
>> Anonymous
>>241821

Same thing can be said about stronglifters and Starting Strength guys being cultists, how dare they give their opinions about effective exercise programs. Who the fuck cares, Crossfit, stronglifts, and SS are all free (lol especially if you rapidshit SS).
>> faggot !kzxLmJyzX.
>>241821

If it gets people off their asses and into a good programme i don't mind the slight advertising. I don't know what they do on their programmes or if they know their stuff, it seems to be in USA only.
>> Anonymous
What's with this shit about Crossfit doing advertising, it's like freeware/shareware. It's completely free for as long as you want on their website, if you want you'd never have to pay for anything. If you like it so much that you want to support them, you can go workout in their gyms or get certified as one of their trainers.
>> Anonymous
>>241830
believe me, someone who cant do a pullup wont be able to do a kipping pullup, or even 10. actually, there are more people able to do a pullup than people who know how to do a kipping pullup. and if you look at the workouts, its not like "do 10 kipping pull-ups". its more like "do 100 pullups for time".
>> Anonymous
>>241830

Lol at your noobish understanding of exercise. Here is /fit/s God on kipping pull-ups:

"Mark Rippetoe:

Kipping chin-ups/pull-ups are a derivative of the jumping version. The movement is performed using the momentum of a slight swing preceding the pull, when the swing is converted into an upward roll of the hips, translating the swing energy into upward movement. The kip distributes the movement over more muscle mass, using the abs, hip flexors, and lower back in addition to the lats and arms, so that more muscle mass is used in the exercise and more reps can be done. The strict versions concentrate the effort on less muscle mass and work it harder. "

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Crossfit#A_Note_on_the_Kipping_Pull-up
>> Anonymous
>>241862
If you youtube kipping pull ups and/or crossfit, you'll see videos of people, usually women, who cant do pullups, but can do kipping pull ups.

>>241867
And? Read the last sentence: Focuses on less muscle mass but works it harder.

Thats what I said. The kipping (swinging, cheating) uses more muscle, ie, your whole body, so each muscle gets less. you're not really building your lats up.

Just like I said about the bicep cheat, you could say it works more muscle (hips, legs, back, arms) and lets you do more reps.

So you need to learn some reading comprehension.
>> Anonymous
>>241876

>Thats what I said

No, you didn't. You called it cheating, which it's not. It's a completely different exercise, dumbass.

>So you need to learn some reading comprehension.

No, I read fine. What you need to do is to get more intelligence to learn the difference between what cheating and variations are. If you think you know more than Rippetoe, you're wrong.
>> Anonymous
Actually, I think people could swing themselves up into a kipping pull-up without being able to do one strictly. Now you're just blurting shit out. Cheating is doing more than you can strictly, so use your fucking head.

Kipping is using the body's momentum. No, it is not substantially working other bodyparts, no more than curls with back movement work the back and could replace deadlifts. If someone said, "I cheat on curls to work my back," what kind of idiot would you take him for?

Somewhat smarter than a crossfitter.
>> Anonymous
The kipping pull-up is to the strict pull-up what the power clean is to the deadlift. It makes it a full body power exercise. Think of it from a functional perspective; if you needed to get up on top of a wall as fast as possible would you do a strict pull-up or would you use your entire body to heave yourself up on top of the wall as fast as possible? (and if dogs were chasing you would you even have to consider this?)
>> Anonymous
>>241885
protip: Rippetoe is not /fit/'s god, or even all that respected outside tips on basic lifts. He's a basic lifts coach to whose pamphlet we point noobs in need of a starting point.

Most here are probably doing split workouts, for example, which is not a starting strength regimen.
>> Dumbasses Anonymous
"A Note on the Kipping Pull-up

This is bound to come up and trust me, it has been argued to death. Bottom line is that it's a totally different exercise than the strict pull-ups and with a different purpose. I could probably rattle off 15 different variations of the pull-up... and that's what they are; variations on a theme. The theme is simply to pull yourself up from a hanging position and can be accomplished in a multitude of ways.

Mark Rippetoe:

Kipping chin-ups/pull-ups are a derivative of the jumping version. The movement is performed using the momentum of a slight swing preceding the pull, when the swing is converted into an upward roll of the hips, translating the swing energy into upward movement. The kip distributes the movement over more muscle mass, using the abs, hip flexors, and lower back in addition to the lats and arms, so that more muscle mass is used in the exercise and more reps can be done. The strict versions concentrate the effort on less muscle mass and work it harder.
>> Dumbasses Anonymous
The kipping pull-up is to the strict pull-up what the power clean is to the deadlift. It makes it a full body power exercise. Think of it from a functional perspective; if you needed to get up on top of a wall as fast as possible would you do a strict pull-up or would you use your entire body to heave yourself up on top of the wall as fast as possible? (and if dogs were chasing you would you even have to consider this?)

Mainly it depends on your goals. I think it's worthwhile for many of us to train as many grips/variations as possible, like thickbar pull-ups, rotating bar pull-ups, ring pull-ups, towel pull-ups, kipping pull-ups, L-sit pull-ups, prone/supine/neutral grip pull-ups, one arm pull-ups, wide, narrow, etc! I don't believe there is any one "best way" to pull our bodies up from a hanging position given the variety of physical obstacles that could fit the bill.
>> Dumbasses Anonymous
These range from tree climbing, to wall climbing, to rope climbing, to sport climbing, to anything climbable. I relate this to the variety of ways that an object can be picked up off of the ground. Sure it would be nice to always lift things up with a straight back, but that isn't always practical, so it makes sense to train with a rounded back too. Ultimately it needs to meet your goals though. So if you just want big strong biceps, do chins, but if you want to compete in Ninja Warrior or scale the Eiffel Tower, better train them all. And if you never have any ambition of climbing a tree or using gymnastic rings there's nothing wrong with that either.

That's really all I have to say about it... I've seen arguments over the legitimacy of kipping go on forever and that's not what this article is about. Look over at crossfit.com and you'll see this already hashed out. It's a personal decision in the end; if you don't like kipping and you prefer to isolate the pulling muscles, do strict pull-ups. It's no big deal.

Hope that clear it up at least a little bit."

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Crossfit#A_Note_on_the_Kipping_Pull-up
>> Anonymous
>>241900
If I needed to get to the top of a flat-surfaced wall quickly, I couldn't kip because I can't generate a swinging motion. Instead, I'd use leg drive on whatever purchase my feet had. Kips use the momentum of the swing, instead.

Momentum is not using the rest of the muscles appreciably in any way. No one complains of sore legs after a day of kipping. The work done in generating the momentum is negligible, much as with the bicep cheat where back momentum is used.

After I was up, I would congratulate myself on a great workout either.
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>>241901

Whatever you say, ITG. We all know the truth.
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>>241930

Leg drive = hip drive. Stop thinking in isolations.
>> Anonymous
I love Crossfit, what is OP talking about. Also love what Starting Strength did for me also.
>> Anonymous
>>241885
If you're trying to work your back and calling a "kipping pullup" a "pullup" then its cheating.

They're not so much variations as completely different exercises. Pullups work your upperback/lats very hard. Kipping Pull ups do not.

To me, if you're trying to work back and doing kipping pull ups, you're wasting time. Just try to do pullups.

2 years ago I could only do 5 pullups. I kept on doing pullups. No kipping, no bullshit, no cheating. I just worked on them. Now I can do 21 in a row.
>> Anonymous
Morons.

Fact: not everyone exercises to make their muscles big. Not everyone does bodybuilding routines.

The analogy about using your hips to assist a bicep curl is flawed because the point of a bicep curl is to isolate and work the bicep. The point of a kipping pull-up is NOT to isolate the lats/biceps/whatever. It is a variation of the pull-up that allows for more work (energy) to be done in a shorter amount of time, which is what Crossfit wants in its workouts to keep the cardiovascular system taxed.
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>>241965

RAAGGGE, I didn't know they came as dumb as you