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Anonymous
Why is /fit/ so ill-educated by fitness? It seems like 90% of the "experts" answering questions have only ever done stronglifts and so they assume that it and weight lifting are the only way to get strong. Or people recommend Naked Warrior without realizing that no one up and does one legged squats right off the bat.

Why are you so dumb, /fit/?
>> Anonymous
inform me how else to get strong master

are you saying i should cut out squats and start doing curlz for da gurlz?
>> Anonymous
>>279030
I'm speaking more about how /fit/ really lacks any knowledge about fitness not found in ebooks or on stronglifts.
>> Anonymous
Alot of /fit/ is already fit, and some of us came here and found info on naked warrior starting strength etc and utilized it. Other than that, OP is a failtroll. MOAR SQUATZ
>> Anonymous
>>279033
I don't touch weights, sir. I do enjoy my bodyweight squatz tho.
>> Anonymous
>>279032
Did you know: RIght now you are using the internet, the primary form of information and communication in the 21st century. We use ebooks here on the interwebz to learn things. These ebooks are not random, they have been sifted out of the countless other books of shit full of so called fitness information. These books work. So we use dem k? lal
>> Anonymous
>>279036
Did you know that a lot of ebooks contain substandard information and lies gathered from the internet? Or are simply marketing scams that recommend products and real books to be fully useful?
>> Anonymous
10/10

excellent thread
>> Anonymous
>>279033
I like how you ignore that Naked Warrior is writin in 72p font, has very little useful information, and is only used because nobody can find any other books on bodyweight stuff scanned
>> Anonymous
CURLZ FOR DA GURLZ AMIRITE?
>> Anonymous
If pplz reely wanted ta learnz den dey wuld go 2 da LIBRARY insted of uzing da internets 4 knowlej.
>> Anonymous
it also seems like everyone on fit is obsessed with looking buffzzz. i can't remember the last time i saw a thread about decent cardio.
>> Anonymous
>>279108

"decent cardio" should consist of `30 minutes of whatever intense activity you can think of. Too many people jog for hours and hours thinking they are doing good for their bodies.

you are one of the uneducated fags op is talking about
>> Anonymous
>>279026
BECAUSE YOU'RE ON 4CHAN AND THERE ARE ONLY FAT PEOPLE HERE.
GOD, THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR A SECOND.
>> WAIT WAT
I do curlz on my legs, it was hard at first but I can curl 150lb on each leg for a set of 10.
>> Anonymous
There really is no other way to get "strong" other than weights.

Sure, you can do countless bodyweight exercises and calithenics until you die, but you won't get "strong". Not strong like someone who lifts weights.

The best way to get strong is to find something heavy and lift or push it in the desired motion that you wish to build strength in. Then you find something heavier and do it again... progressing in a linear fashion until you've become as strong as you possibly can be.

Weight lifting does exactly that... there is no other way to get that strong other than lifting heavy things... and lifting heavy things is known under all circumstances as weightlifting.

There is no other way to get that strong.
>> Anonymous
>>279161
Gymnasts.
>> Anonymous
>>279196


As a byproduct of the sport yes. But still, if strength is what you want, weightlifting is many times fast and more convinient and in the end, results in greater strength than gymnastics.

Gymnasts do get very strong, in some ways stronger than weights can ever make you... but even a top class gymnast will struggle to match the raw lifts of a novice lifter who has spent 6 months in the gym.
>> sasuke
I think we provide high rate of accuracy in our answers. Fitness is a domain like any other and it takes time to become an expert in the field.
>> Anonymous
>>279319
>but even a top class gymnast will struggle to match the raw lifts of a novice lifter who has spent 6 months in the gym.
NO
>> sasuke
>>279349
i think he's wrong. the guy from beastskills.com is a gymnast and lifts pretty heavy weights. beside, those asian gymnasts guys look really muscular, and those muscles ain't shallow.
>> Anonymous
>but even a top class gymnast will struggle to match the raw lifts of a novice lifter who has spent 6 months in the gym.

There was this research study done on gymnasts that measured their max lifts. These people had never weight trained in their lives before. Most of them easily deadlifted 300 or something.

Can't remember exact numbers, but the article *should be on Google somewhere.
>> w/ CSCS + BS in exerc phys
>>279359
Now how reasonable is it to compare uni gymnasts to general pop? or to even uni fitness fags? how 'universal' is using gymnast facilities for most of you compared to using weights?

also, for a reference point, gymastics is about relative strength to the nth degree, note how short/light they are. this is not a negative thing, but merely something to realize
>> Anonymous
>>279352
Well there you go. That guy was also weight lifting.

I'll have to agree with>>279432. Do you think you'll get a gymnast's body with only calisthenics? Stop comparing it to COMPETITIVE GYMNASTS WHO ARE WORLD RENOWNED AND TRAIN MORE THAN THE AVERAGE WEIGHT LIFTER.
>> Anonymous
Bodyweight stuff will get you strong. Just as strong as a lifter. The problem is that a lot of lifters tend to be fucking morons, who assume that the basic forms of calisthenics are all people do while they move onto heavier weights.

It's like fucking assuming that you're going to lift 100 pounds for the rest of your life.

Thus the "LOLOLOLOLOL GO DO 300 PUSHUPS SKINNY FAG"

They completely ignore advanced calisthenics like dragon flags, one handed and legged pushups (Moving up to feet on chair/table), handstand pushups, crunches and bicycle crunches on a decline, one legged squats, dive bomber pushups, etc, etc.

tl;dr: stop being fucking retards and do your homework. You wouldn't lift the same weight if you could lift more, people truely into calisthenics don't do the same exercises when they can do harder variations.
>> Anonymous
>>279508


...and even the hardest versions of those exercises will not allow you reach the same level of power that lifting would.

Besides, the two things offer different kinds of strength. A weightlifter might be able to bench 600lbs, but he might not be able to do a bodyweight planche, alternatively, a guy who is strong in his own right, might be able to planche with 30 kg on his back... but he likely can't bench 600lbs unless he has spent a fair while in the weights room.

As for>>279359


Yes, they'd never weight trained in their lives... but they had spent many years and many hours a day training very advanced gymnastic moves JUST to be able to lift as much as a guy whos been in the gym for a year doing a few hours a week.

If gymnastics was a better, more convinient and easily accesible form of building strength, WEIGHT ROOMS WOULD LIKELY NOT EXIST.

When people come on here and ask how to get strong, the reason weightlifting is so often cited as gospel, is because it is the fastest, most practical way to get results.

We don't all have 3 years and the dedication required to learn an Iron Cross.

Linear progression with weights is, irrefutably the best way to get strong... and the only way to get REALLY strong.
>> Anonymous
>>279526
of course most of the people who get REALLY strong have limited ranges of movement.

I'd bet on a gymnast over a weight lifter any day.
>> Anonymous
>>279532
NO.
>> Anonymous
>>279526
I agree and disagree.

I personally know an olympic level gymnist. He trained with the Canadian olympic team, and was in cirque de soliel for quiet some time. I know exactly how strong he is, and he was the person I went too first when I decided to get in shape.

He lifted weights. He did not exclusively lift weights, but they were part of his routine, along with a lot of calisthenics. And buddy, even after 6 months of slacking off and eating fast food, he still had a six pack and could lift himself up with one hand. We used to workout together.

The problem is that you're stressing the strength aspect too much. This is /fit/, not /strengthtraining/. Weight rooms are so common because hypertrophy is the goal of most men, not endurance or power. Curls for the girls, bench press for a chance under their dress. It's because they're the fastest road to big muscle, though not strong muscles. (Though I am not saying they can't get you strong, we all know they can. I'm,just stating we're in the age of hypertrophy).

Calisthenics work much better then weights for me, but that's because I'm training to be a workhorse rather then for bulk and strength. If you take them into the advanced stages, you'll start using the exercises that gymnists use. And you can't deny the raw strength necessary for a handstand push up.

The point I'm trying to make is both work well for people, and as a lot of athletes state. . . It's stupid to discount one for the other. When I reach my goals (Which are the moment, to reach the 100 point level in each exercise on the army fitness test), I plan to hit the weights. But I think a lot of lifters could really benefit from bodyweight exercise.

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>> Anonymous
>>279546

Good points.

I just think that lifting is, by and large, the best way for people here to see results easily and quickly.

Thats not to discount gymnastics in anyway... which obviously develops a lot of power in its practitioners and yes, anyone serious about a well rounded physique should learn to planche and handstand.

It just takes too long to develop the strength when greater strength can be developed in a matter of a year with a very basic and easy to follow lifting program.
>> Anonymous
>>279532


This is so far from true it is ridiculous.

I don't even know how this myth could have grown. What aspect of lifting heavy weight, often stretching limbs far past that of any normal person, would lead to a lack of flexibility?

The only way you'd lose flexibility is if you put on so much size that your muscles actually became an obstruction... which could only possibly happen after many years of training for hypertrophy.

This is not a concern of a healthy strength lifter, who keeps himself relatively trim and lifts for power. Lifting just for strength will never make you grow large enough to have any problems with range of motion.

If anything, lifting greatly improves range of motion.
>> Anonymous
>>279545

YES
>> Anonymous
>>279692
Weight lifting can decrease flexibility if you don't do stretches. Obviously compared to a couch potato it will "help" flexibility.