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Anonymous
Is weight lifting meaningless for martial arts?
>> Anonymous
Not necessarily, but at a competitive level, you'll probably be too tired from martial arts to lift weights. It'll cause nothing but over-training
>> Anonymous
depends on how it's used for strength training it is beneficial and won't compromise speed.

i've seen boxers with dumbbells in their hands while practicing.
>> Anonymous
depends on the martial art.

but generally, being strong isnt a substitute for being good at the MA. however putting strength together with good technique, and training for great speed will make a very difficult opponent. but strength is usually the least of the 3 you should be concerned about.
>> Anonymous
I think it's important to be strong.
When I see people in the Tae Kwon Do or Karate club at the gym, a lot of time I have to laugh, because I feel like I could kick their ass.
Most of them don't lift, and I do and am strong as fuck. I think I could win as an untrained strong boxer against a weak skilled martial artist.
btw, I do have a black belt in TKD, but haven't practiced in years.
>> Anonymous
>>18345
obvious troll is OBVIOUS
>> Anonymous
>>18345
How is that trolling? I'm just saying if I connect a hit once it would be devastating because of the strength I can deliver. Even if a martial arts guy can throw a few more hits in.
If you want to be a fighter, you have to gain strength somehow, and the best way is weights.
>> Anonymous
>>18316
For a boxer? No.
>> Anonymous
>>18405
sigh. no, you dont, and no, it isnt.

martial arts isnt about strength, at least not most of them. it's more about redirection of force; 'the bigger they are, the harder they fall'. with a black belt, i thought you would've known that ..
>> Anonymous
If you have the energy and free time, lift weights. There's no harm in it and it can at the very least raise your strength and/or self esteem.
>> Anonymous
Just don't train your biceps.
>> Anonymous
>>18433
in grappling arts like wrestling, judo and BJJ strength is very advantageous, how ever the HURRR IVE GOT BIG ARMS guy doesnt do grappling, and while strength and muscle mass ads to the power of a punch, not nearly as much as speed, and not nearly effective as actual technique, and any MA teacher worth his black belts shouldve already taught his students how to deal with HURRR IM A BOXER type of fighters.
>> Anonymous
>>18437
indeed, in fact if your Art utilizes alot of bunchers, biceps are pretty much pointless aside from adding mass to your arm. work you triceps.
>> Anonymous
>>18433
rofl, i wrote the post you quoted, i know shit-all about martial arts. i was just trolling that guy cos he seemed cocky as fuck. kudos.
>> Anonymous
>>18438
if you assume that strength, especially limit strength, and power aren't related then you don't know what the fuck you are talking about to begin with. louie simmons and every olympic lifter in the world would like you to know they hate you.
>> Anonymous
>>18448

doesn't matter because the only strong punch is one whose strength comes from the turning of the waist
>> Anonymous
>>18446
it's just like a bench press, but with less weight (only up to your body weight).
I recommend being able to bench well over your body weight.
>> Anonymous
>>18441
no, this is stupid. biceps/triceps are an agonist/antagonist pairing. if one is too much stronger than the other then you will injure yourself seriously. you must always train both if you want to be functional and injury free.
>> Anonymous
>>18457
you mind elaborating on that?
>> Anonymous
>>18465
only because i know that naturally your triceps are much stronger than you biceps anyways.
>> Anonymous
Building muscles acts like armor against blows in a fight. See this take from Fight Quest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brRIUr86zIE
>> Anonymous
you're a fool if you think that you can be a good fighter without muscle.
>> Anonymous
>>18467
the fuck, they're proportional. that's the trick. if you start training one and not the other, they strength difference becomes disproportionate. this is were injury occurs, with the biceps/triceps it's commonally elbow hyperextension.

i guess i could have been more exact but people should already know this shit before they even pick up a free weight.
>> Anonymous
>>18497
im not understanding how you would accidently hyper extend your elbow on accident from muscle strength alone.
>> Anonymous
no it strengthens your body so you don't break.
>> Anonymous
>>18505
no, not muscle strength, strength imbalance between muscles. because one muscle is much stronger than the other and overides the others ability to break acceleration. joints are moved by more than one muscle and they have to work together, this is the fundemental way the human body functions.

look up agonist/antagonist pairing if you don't understand.

muscle imbalance == injury, and if you don't get that you shouldn't be lifting weights at all.
>> Anonymous
>>18587
i mean christ, this is basic physiology.
>> Anonymous
it depends on the martial art not really for aikido for example certainly not for tai chi
>> Anonymous
If you do katas, do them really slow whilst wearing ankle weights and carrying dumbbells.

You can lift weights but when your finished be sure to stretch the muscles you had just worked out really well to build long lean muscles as opposed to body builder's bulky muscle. The bulky muscle will retrict your flexibility. So it's never bad to be strong for any sport you do. You just dont want to bulk up for every sport.
>> Anonymous
>>18656
I thought I'd ad another thing about doing katas with weights.

Be sure to tighten all your muscles, really squeeze them. And try to over exaggerate any move you perform, don't forget long deep breaths. You should definitely feel something if you use weights heavy enough.
>> Anonymous
>>18656
katas are a joke. real men do muay thai and cut the jap shit out.
>> Anonymous
>>18656
rawr, you have got to be a fucking troll. do you mind? we could really do without this long lean toning bullshit. people might actually believe you.

>>18661
don't do katas with weights. in practising techniques you're training your cns ('muscle memory' if you would) in a certain pattern so you don't have to remember the pattern consciously. adding weights changes the pattern, specifically you're training your cns to compensate for excessive downwards forces due to gravity and training it to compensate for a change in point of balance. the pattern of movement is drasctically changed. this has about fuck all real world carry over into fighting. i know it's the traditional way to do it but it was developed by people who barely knew the cns existed and didn't know fuck about sports science.

instead punch into a heavy bag or start benching, as that carrys over into the actual pattern of the movement a lot more.

do not kick with ankle weights. you'll have to compensate your balance so much you'll start falling over once you take them off.