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Am I The Only One That Thinks... Anonymous
That drugs (including cigarettes / tobacco) and alcohol are pointless?

Through my eyes, they're a waste of money that gives you a cheap thrill and ends up causing health problems in the long run, sorry to sound a bit sanctimonious, but I'd like to see /fit/'s views on this.

Does it really begin as just peer pressure which leads to addiction?
>> Anonymous
Everything in moderation
>> Anonymous
Have you ever actually tried any drugs past alcohol and cigarettes?

I'm not commending them but I think you underestimate the effects of some of the harder ones.

But yes they are a... not exactly cheap thrill... in the long run.
>> Anonymous
A cigar and a scotch is the only reason to be alive.
>> Anonymous
i hope you arent one of those straight edge kids cause god damn i hope you die if you are. but seriously, a glass of wine or a beer or two once in a while isnt bad. for me, i stay away from anything that could fuck me up later in life so that i dont have to pay money, or go though unnecessary pain
>> Anonymous
If you're immature you will die one way or another.
>> Anonymous
>>193577

Including moderation.
>> Anonymous
i dont mind beer for the occasion but cigarettes... its like paying someone to kill you. im much too efficient to fall for it. never made and never will make sense to me.
>> Anonymous
>>193593

QFT.

I used to smoke and drink every night in college, then after everyone left, I continued on my own just because I didn't give a fuck. Eventually, it does catch up with you, now that I've quit and exercise regularly I feel years younger
>> Anonymous
>>193596
I am straight-edge, what are you going to do about it?
>> Anonymous
>>193608

He won't do anything about it. Doesn't matter though. If you're straight-edge you just aren't an interesting person. Who cares if you live 10 years more than me. I've seen more than you, done more than you, and had experiences that you'll never experience, let alone empathize with.

You may think this worthless, but it isn't. You like to live vicariously through people like us. Look at just about every good artist. All of them are deviant in one way or another. Authors, musicians, poets, dancers, etc...

I'd tell you to enjoy the rest of your long and healthy life. However, you probably don't understand what true enjoyment is.
>> Anonymous
>>193608
because it's fucking gay?
I don't smoke do any drugs or drink but I don't walk around going "Hurf durf I'm straight edge I'm fucking tough, don't fuck with me."

It makes you look like you are retarded having to put yourself into a group like that for no good reason.
>> Anonymous
>>193626
come say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
>> Anonymous
Cigarettes made me feel better about myself when I had nothing to be proud of. Some people take solace in God, some find comfort in acting better than other people (edgefags), I found solace through Camel.
>> Anonymous
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>>193633
>> Anonymous
I say enjoy all that life has to offer. Prepare for the long run, but live like you could die in a week.
Addictions don't form unless the lifestyle/genes are right to develop one.
>> Anonymous
I hate cigarettes/tobacco because it smells like shit, and I'm just losing interest with alcohol. It's absolutely annoying that people cannot find anything better to do than to go out drinking every night of the week. With the opposite sex, it shows me that they have no personality or interests. People use alcohol as an excuse to not actually have to be creative when getting buddies together to "do something." Not to mention that it's fucking expensive if you have any taste.

So I don't really hate alcohol itself (it's nice when you're cold, there's some delicious stuff, and after a hard day's work it's nice as well), I hate people who rely on it to 'have fun' since they are such total losers, which is not actually fun AT ALL.
>> Anonymous
>>193619
People like you annoy me immensely with the whole "YOU HAVEN'T LIVED UNTIL YOU'VE DONE DRUGS" mentality, What the hell are you experiencing that I won't? Other than hallucinations or behavioural changes.

>>193626
I don't freaking parade around the fact that I don't do drugs or alcohol dumbass.
>> Anonymous
>>193653

Oh sorry. Forgive me if I don't give a shit if I get under your skin a bit. Emotion is relative. You don't know happiness until you know sadness.

Stop trying to sound like an internet tough guy. Here's a protip for you. Nobody is impressed. Not a single person. Come back and look at yourself tomorrow and even you'll be ashamed to have made yourself look that stupid in front of everybody.

Not saying you have to do hardcore drugs. Just saying that sometimes you can only adequately define one experience after you've lived enough to know how to do so. A bit of grass shared with your girlfriend while watching a sunset can sometimes elevate the moment more than you would have imagined. Dancing under the stars on ecstasy can be epic.

tl;dr: eat a dick nigger.
>> Anonymous
>>193653

Spoken like someone who's never experienced the reality-altering effects of hallucinogens.

Refrain from speaking of that which you do not know.
>> Anonymous
>>193669

This man understands. OP does not.
>> Anonymous
>>193653

Also, remember this. All of your musical heroes have done drugs. The poetry that touches your heart was written by somebody who also has. The movies you like? Directors and actors both.

There's a reason for this. You have to step outside what you think you know from time to time to actually experience life in a more meaningful way. The results may surprise you.
>> Anonymous
>>come say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens

You have to be a troll. There is no way that anyone could post something like this with a straight face.
>> Anonymous
>>193669
I know what happiness and sadness is, I've experienced both numerous times without the aid of drugs.

You sound like a hippy who is totally 'one with nature' when you're really just a pothead with no future (which pretty much sums up what a hippy is anyway).

How the hell am I being an internet tough guy? I haven't made any threats to anyone (>>193633was not me) and I haven't claimed to be superior to anyone.

Drugs do not enhance anything, they merely delude your senses.
>> Anonymous
The American Indians all smoked pot, ate shrooms, and used tobacco to get in better touch with nature. Whatever those fuckers did must be natural. But they only did it once in awhile.
>> Anonymous
It's nice to take the edge off or to make what would be an awkward, lame time actually enjoyable every so often, but relying on it for fun or stability is pathetic.

As much as I hate some drugs, some have a place in this unnatural society.
>> Anonymous
>>193689
>Drugs do not enhance anything
You see, this is what makes your points all invalid. You've very clearly never done drugs (or at least done them right), and yet you're preaching like you're an expert.

If you're not all about it and you prefer au naturale, that's your thing. But the second you begin pretending that which you don't know, you've treaded into asshat territory.
>> Anonymous
>>193703
Preach it.

Get drunk just once, kid. I swear it will change your life.
>> Anonymous
>>193703
You treaded into asshat territory the second you insinuated that drugs were a necessity in life.
>> Anonymous
>>drugs (including cigarettes / tobacco) and alcohol are pointless?

How are they "pointless?" Sometimes after work my roommate and I will go out on the balcony and have a few martinis or a few glasses of merlot while talking about out days. It tastes good, causes a pleasant feeling and helps one relax and have good conversation. It is done for enjoyment and to enhance the mood.

The problem with straight edge kids is that they are usually really young and inexperienced and view everything through black and white extremes. Straight edge has existed since the mid-eighties so how come you see almost no straight edge 35 year olds? Because people grow up and realize that the whole straight edge movement is wrong.

Even Ian Mackaye has spoken out against the more reactionary ultra-macho straight edge cliques.
>> Anonymous
>>193706
except he never did. You're terrible at this arguing thing.
>> Anonymous
>>193709
He blatantly said you need drugs to make life better.
>> Anonymous
>>193723

I read him saying that they CAN enhance some experiences. This does not equate to them being a 'necessity.' If I missed someone saying drugs were necessary in life, feel free to point out the post.
>> Anonymous
I'm about the same as OP, then I lived life a little. I only do weed and alcohol on a social event, because I waited so fucking long and have no history in the family of alcoholism, I'm very in control. I'm still getting use to beer. I get along with guys and girls because of it. If you're anything like me OP just try the things I tried and you should never have to worry about escalation if you've held out this long.
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>>193723

HURRRR BLACK AND WHITE
>> Anonymous
>>193708
People grow up and realize shit sucks in this world way more than their little teenage minds can comprehend, and the only way to deal is downing a few beers with some friends.

Quit startin shit, straight edge kid. You're so defensive.
>> Anonymous
>>193706
>If you're not all about it and you prefer au naturale, that's your thing.
Did you completely miss that part? I very clearly said something to the effect of "To each his own, but don't talk about what you don't understand as though you do". That's my first post in this thread, despite whoever you were arguing with before.
>> Anonymous
>>193731

It is not even necessarily about "realizing the world sucks." I am pretty happy with my life and don't have any "sorrows to drown" or anything like that. Having a drink once in a while is just nice. It tastes good and feels good.

Everyone who drinks is not some raging alcoholic who beats their wife. Everyone who drinks is not some stupid frat boy.

Buzz Aldrin, Alexander Graham Bell, Mark Twain, Ludwig Beethoven and just about every other person who has really done anything important has drank alcohol. Yet straight edge kids act like alcohol is some evil demon juice that completely destroys your body and brain and that only idiots and weak willed people drink.
>> Anonymous
yeah OP have you tried drugs? i dont even drink now but some hard drugs are the SHIT, and i think trying them once is worth the experience.

especially the following:
MDMA
Mushrooms
LSD
Weed
>> Anonymous
>>193778

>hard drugs
>Weed

wat
>> Anonymous
>>193770
Also, every artist and musician ever.*

*dumbass it's an exaggeration
>> Anonymous
>>193790
this whole thread is hyperbole
8/10 to op though for getting people mad
>> Anonymous
>>193785
yeah my bad , didn't mean to include shrooms and weed as hard drugs
>> Anonymous
an dose of alcohol per day is good for your health
>> Anonymous
>> *dumbass it's an exaggeration

What the fuck are you on about?
>> Anonymous
i think drugz is a pretty cool guy eh ruins livez and doesnt afraid of anything.
>> Anonymous
I do have my healthy dose of pleasure, but i don't chase after it. After one of these nights in a club you wake up and just realize pleasure is a shallow sensation that just flies away quickly and doesn't enrich your person.

I personally just smoke Salvia one or two times per years, but it brings me reflexion for days.
>> Anonymous
>>193669

why hello thar mr intellect.
>> Anonymous
I don't see why drugs and alcohol need to have a point besides quick thrills.
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drugs and alcohol are happiness/relaxation that you can buy. If you can be happy without drugs and alcohol good for you but MOST JUST ABOUT NOBODY can really do it.
>> Anonymous
all those things really are social things, i don't drink or do drugs alone since it would be boring, but with more people it is a lot of fun. Also i don't try anything hard, I'm just looking to relax not trip balls. It's when people smoke weed everyday or get drunk as often as they can that it gets to be a serious health risk.

Also don't smoke cigarettes, as said its like paying someone to kill you without even getting a high.
>> HypnoticDan
>>193897

Fail-speak. Maybe if you started hanging around with winners who took responsibility for their lives you wouldn't think that "almost nobody" can do it.

Clean your house. throw out your tv. delete bittorrent. get a real job. exercise. find a girlfriend who wants to roleplay your 4chan fetishes. be happy every day, laughing at the 95% of the world that hasn't got it as good as you. die old, surrounded by grandchildren squabbling over your fortune. (I think) that's as close to win as you can get.
>> Anonymous
>>194132
I raged 10/10

Not everyone thinks people are hapiness. You fucking ignorant fuck. I'd rather watch TV, get high, and go on 4chan than have a girlfriend over all day. I work out for fun too, thrice weekly. So i dont look like a stick in the mirror every morning.
>> Anonymous
I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs, and have been pretty stern about it for the past 5 years. However, I've been feeling jaded lately, and I've been thinking about joining my friends for some weed next time they acquire it.

Halp me fit, what should I do?
>> Anonymous
>>194151
smoke weed you dumbass.
stop acting like it's fucking meth.
>> Anonymous
>>193619
On the contrary, I find potheads and crackheads to be some of the most boring'est people I've ever met.
>> Anonymous
Lol.

Straight edge kid, you need to grow up. I honestly think your a troll (Or just really stupid) because 3/4 of the "straight-edge" kids I used to know gave it up because they realized that it was shit. The other 1/4? They died.
>> Anonymous
fuck off queer
>> Anonymous
Saying drugs are pointless isn't normal, but on meth it is.

Seriously shut the fuck up and live life how you want to. If you don't want to do drugs, dont do them. If you do, go right ahead.

>>193646
>>I hate people who rely on it to 'have fun' since they are such total losers, which is not actually fun AT ALL.

Ever been to a party?

>>193689
>>Drugs do not enhance anything, they merely delude your senses.

Gotta love it when people comment on things they have never done.

>>193778

You could probably add a few more things to that list, like Salvia. Wouldn't recommend speed/base at all though, fucking horrible drug.

This thread is now about Salvia.
>> Anonymous
Lol at the potheads getting pissed and pretending to be more "enlightened" and "wise." Fuck off to 420chan, or go suck your dealer's cock.
>> Anonymous
>>194229

My dealer doesn't have a cock, he sold it for drugs.
>> Anonymous
>>194229
Theres a teenage straight edge board out there that misses you. HARDCORE LEIK CM PUNK!
>> Anonymous
Don't smoke or do drugs, but I drink quite a bit (college anon here). I don't always drink to get drunk, sometimes I just feel like having a nice cold delicious beer and unwinding after a long day at school or work. However, when I do drink to get drunk, I have a blast. I'm probably a borderline alcoholic, but I figure I should have fun while I'm still young enough to handle it.
>> Anonymous
Man, I heard this board was actually rivaling /k/ for easiest board to troll but I didn't believe it til this thread.
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>> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan
Alcohol I drink, only with other people. It's a social drink. Spent awhile drinking very heavily on the occasion to see how much I could handle, and one night of eighteen Smirnoff double blacks meant I spent the entire next day lying face-down on grass, groaning. Now I just have enough to make enjoying myself easier, but cut out before it starts really afecting me. Now because the only stuff I like doubled in price, I'll probably just not drink at all.

Never smoked, never wanted to. Half my friends do, but nearly all because they wanted to be cool and rebellious and then got addicted, even though they say they could quit any time. I don't see how mild stimulation is worth the appaling health consequences long-term, and I'm not stupid enough to trick myself into thinking I can take it up short-term.

Tried pot once, didn't take to it. I get more out of doing something that I can see as an acomplishment than sitting around enjoying doing nothing at all, which is exactly what I did.

Never gone near the harder stuff. Much easier to fuck yourself up with them, and very easy to make it a habit. It's hard to self-justify hard drug habits when you've worked with people whose lives went to shot purely because they got on them.

I'm probably at least partially addicted to pepsi max. I don't think it's any specific ingredient, because other drinks with just one component don't really do it as well. I don't actively crave it, but when an opportunity arises to drink it I will. It's probably about the safest thing to be addicted to, but even then there's no way six cans a day is healthy.
>> Anonymous
>>194132
If only it were that simple, if only it were that simple. You're not counting the times when your luck runs out, when something breaks and you don't have the money to fix it, when something bad happens you can't control, when drama starts up in a relationship, etc etc.

What do you tell someone who ends up with Lou Gerricks or Multiple Sclerosis? Who loses their job due to downsizing and the rent is due, and they have to wait another couple weeks for the sverance check? When your girlfriend cheats on you, despite everything, or a friend gets in a car accident.
>> Anonymous
Drugs aren't worth it, in my opinion.

Besides, you can get the sensational equivalent to many drugs by doing other things, like meditation and sleep deprivation. Or BDSM, even.

And before anyone points fingers, I've tried just about every drug save for meth, heroin and crack. Tried them multiple times, even. They're just not for me, especially when I can get better "highs" doing other things that aren't as costly or liable to compromise my health.
>> Anonymous
>>193569

no, but you are a faggot.
>> Anonymous
I smoke weed.

I just quit smoking cigarettes after about 5-6 years.

I drink a little bit here and there.

And I'm not even 18.

Ironically enough though, when ever I'm high or drunk, I tend to work out alot more than usual. Like when I'm sober, I tend to do 2 sets of 15 with 25lb dumbells. When I'm drunk, I do about 4 sets of 15 because I lose track. God only knows how many I do when high.

So I guess I'm just weird like that.
>> Anonymous
>>194353
>>I tend to do 2 sets of 15 with 25lb dumbells. When I'm drunk, I do about 4 sets of 15 because I lose track. God only knows how many I do when high.

Too bad your form is shit.

If alcohol was introduced today it would be at minimum a class B. Its a highly taxable, insanely highly consumed product that brings billions into the economy. It will never be made illegal, however here in Scotland it looks like the drinking age could be going up from 18 to 21 in a year or two. Hopefully not, it's pretty pointless.