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Anonymous
Which is better - jogging or cycling?
>> Anonymous
What do you think?

It's all about the intensity. There are a lot of factors that would go into choosing either or both.
>> Anonymous
Running. Jogging is for hippie queers.
>> Anonymous
I hope it's jogging cause I don't have a bike.
>> Anonymous
Cycling ruins your back, but in general is a better workout for all muscles involved, if we're talking about actually on a bike outside then it is also a more potentially dangerous one.

Weigh the pros and cons.
>> Anonymous
>Cycling ruins your back

uhm excuse me wtf you talking bout?
>> Anonymous
OP here. Well okay. I was always under the impression that jogging was more "intense" so I've always jogged more, but I prefer cycling, so I was considering doing more of it.
>> Anonymous
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>>273866

<--- This is not healthy for your back.
>> Anonymous
>>273868
Oh and also, I thought jogging would work out your stomach a little (as it's actually moving).
>> Anonymous
>>273870

well fuck, I was a competetive cyclist for 4 years...and my back is fucking fine.

You're probably the same kind of person that thinks squatting ATG is bad for your knees.
>> Anonymous
>>273863
Jogging "ruins" your knees
But if your jogging with her, deffo go jogging
>> Anonymous
>>273870
Yeah, cuz exercise should never force you into uncomfortable positions. That's why i follow the Sit And Be Fit program:
http://www.sitandbefit.org/

amirite guyz?

srsly, lern2flexibility. It's not bad for you if you work up to it.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>273871

Lower abs mostly.
>> Anonymous
>>273877

The posture of cyclists is akin to that of people whose profession is slouching in front of a computer all day.
>> Anonymous
>>273870
bollocks. after three training sessions you don't even notice it anymore.
>> Anonymous
>>273870
you realize people who cycle for exercise don't bike like that right?

jogging WILL fuck up your knees, especially if you don't have soft surfaces like grass to run on.
>> Anonymous
>>273870

Most long distance cyclists will use a more upright position. The only real cons to cycling over jogging are

1) expense
2) risk of some sort of accident
>> Anonymous
Running. You just feel more like you worked out more running at a fast pace for x amount of time than cycling at a fast pace for x amount of time.
>> Anonymous
People that say cycling isn't as much of a workout as running aren't doing it right. If it feels too easy GO FASTER.
>> Anonymous
Cycling, even riding a offroad motorcyle, is a good work out and not stressful on your knees as much as running (at least on my knees)
But I do enjoy a steady walk at the gym more then riding a bike at the gym, I do however love to go on bike rides in cities.

Either way, you are getting exercise, which is good for you mind, body, and soul (cheesy, but true)
>> Anonymous
How the fuck is running stressful on your kness? I run all the time and it isn't.

Are you all so fat that your own knees fail you or something?
>> Anonymous
>>273913
>>How the fuck is running stressful on your kness? I run all the time and it isn't.

Tell us the same thing in 30 years.
>> Anonymous
>>273913
impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact impact
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>273913

Please stfu. Running does tend to jar your knees, as each time you land, around about double your weight in pressure is put on your knees.
>> Anonymous
>>273920
>>273921
Right, just like deadlifts are bad for your back.
>> Anonymous
>>273913
cumulative effects

Effects on the environment resulting from actions that are individually minor but that add up to a greater total effect as they take place over a period of time.
>> Anonymous
>>273920
Lol vegan faggot
>> Anonymous
>>273920
>>273922

Right, ok, looks like we have some fatasses here. I mean I guess our ancestor cavemen have never ran before and there wasn't any evolution in the human physique that benefited running.

Nah I'm jk, you're just too fat for your knees.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>273923

You're an idiot
>> Anonymous
>>273923
25 reps per session< several 1000
>> Anonymous
>>273928

Our "ancestor cavemen" typically didn't live past their teens. We have a much longer lifespan, so things that might not have affected them actually do end up causing problems for us later in life.
>> Anonymous
>>273931
>>273922

Ok princess, looks like RUNNING may be too extreme and hard for you. Would you like three Chinese men to pull you around in a rickshaw while someone feeds you food and helps you chew it?
>> Anonymous
>>273928
>Right, ok, looks like we have some fatasses here. I mean I guess our ancestor cavemen have never ran before and there wasn't any evolution in the human physique that benefited running.

our ancestors died before 40 (hence we decline after 35), if you want to stay healthy into old age you need to preserve your joints.
>> Anonymous
I suppose running depends on the individual. My grandfather loved to run. He's almost 80 now, he doesn't run that much anymore, but he doesn't have any leg problems (instead his health problems are in his hands and cholesterol).
>> Anonymous
The tripfag "JL523" is now known as a bitch. Running is too intense and painful for him, ladies and gentlemen.
>> Little Busters !!cYRK7ZeKVyk
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>> Anonymous
>>273857

mountain biking.

Get your workout on the uphill and fun on the downhill.
>> Anonymous
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>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>273939
>>273950

Did I ever say DONT run? No, all I did was say that running does cause stress on knees as opposed to the guy who said it doesn't.

>>273913

I DO run and I DO lift weights 2 hours a day training sessions which includes a 2mile jog. Read properly before you misinterpret other people.
>> Anonymous
>>273950
You're an idiot.

Running on concrete is a high impact exercise. It fucks with your knees.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>273972

Thank god finally a sensible person. When I'm not running on a treadmill (which provides lots of impact absorption) I run in the park on the grass and when I get a chance I goto the beach to run on the sand. Provides EXCELLENT impact absorption as well as resistance.
>> Sponge !!5qxfxHYSQxJ
>>273963

hahahahaha
>> Anonymous
im a bikerfag so i'm greatly biased. running messes up knees, but cycling is more dangerous.
>> Anonymous
Jump rope.
>> Anonymous
>>273974
I don't like to run on the track near my house because people walk their dogs there and I hate jogging past them (embarrassing.. -_-). So I always jog along this really long road which is for tractors and combine harvesters, which is probably worse on my knees, but allows me to not feel like an idiot.
>> Anonymous
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7554293.stm

"Running on a regular basis can slow the effects of ageing, a study by US researchers shows.

Elderly joggers were half as likely to die prematurely from conditions like cancer than non-runners.

They also enjoyed a healthier life with fewer disabilities, the Stanford University Medical Center team found. "

also

"Both groups became more disabled with age, but for the runners the onset of disability started later - an average of 16 years later.

The health gap between the runners and non-runners continued to widen even as the subjects entered their ninth decade of life.

Running not only appeared to slow the rate of heart and artery related deaths, but was also associated with fewer early deaths from cancer, neurological disease, infections and other causes."

and, most pertinently given the fatasses screaming about knee damage,

"And there was no evidence that runners were more likely to suffer osteoarthritis or need total knee replacements than non-runners - something scientists have feared."
>> Mark !tsGpSwX8mo
>>273857
I would say Running because in orther to get a cardiovascular exercise out of cycling you need to be going pretty fast. But either way you'll be burning calories and getting a good exercise on your legs, Choose whichever makes you happy.
>> Anonymous
yeah, run on concrete is bad...thats why you gotta have good shoes if you're a runner.
>> Anonymous
Cycling : little stress on your joints, only a limited number of muscles do the workout though.
Running : stressful for the joints but more of a general work out.
Both are equally good for cardio training.
>> Anonymous
cycling is bad for your penis
>> Anonymous
>>273870
Well, when over 9000 times maybe. do you plan to do that over 9000 times to create a debilitating permanent curve in your posture? Breaks and shit. Stretch often. Shouldn't that be enough?
>> Anonymous
>>273866
Yeah like jogging is good for your ankles, hips, knees....oh wait.

Half the shit you do is not good for you. Moderation nigger
>> JESUS !vBOFA0jTOg
I'd like to add to this thread.

DONT DO IT FOR THE GURLS!
>> Anonymous
SWIMMING

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>> Anonymous
>>274325
What part of "bad for the penis" did you not get, you cocksucking eunuch? It isn't equivalent to damaging your knees, ankles, or hips... Fuck those worthless bodypart.

GUARD YOUR PENIS.
GO RUNNING.
>> Anonymous
>>273984
>>273984
>>273984
>>273984
>>273984
>> Anonymous
cycling is no good for the balls.
>> Anonymous
Cycling can lead to not being able to get a erection. It puts pressure on certain muscles and nerves and will damage them if you keep it up. Look up information and take my post with a grain of salt you mindless faggots.
>> Anonymous
>>273857

NEITHER!

jump rope faggot!
>> Anonymous
>>274423
this is why you wear bike shorts.
>> Anonymous
It boils down to

Possible Knee Damage

Possible FAT ASS SYNDROME.
>> Anonymous
ITT: mostly faggots who have no idea what they are talking about.
>> Anonymous
>>274359
supposed to be as good as running
but oh shi---- IMPACT IMPACT IMPACT IMPACT
>> Anonymous
I heard exercise puts a strain on your muscles and joints.
>> Anonymous
>>274642
i heard it also makes you tired

fuck that shit
>> Anonymous
>>"And there was no evidence that runners were more likely to suffer osteoarthritis or need total knee replacements than non-runners - something scientists have feared."

So once again, fatties and lazy fucks tell themselves what they want to hear and justify NOT running. Because everyone here is a precious snowflake who can't take a little bit of pain in the knees. Sorry, no pain no gain.

Continue avoiding difficulty in life, snowflakes.
>> Anonymous
>>273913
>How the fuck is running stressful on your kness? I run all the time and it isn't.


LAUGHABLE!!! Dude I love running and yet if I get into a regular running workout like I did when I was in my early 20s my knees will start to hurt. I use the elliptical and go running as a treat these days. When I finally decided I was doing something wrong it took months for my knees to stop hurting and creaking sometimes.

How can you run and honestly believe it's good on the knees?
>> Anonymous
>>274670
Continue ignoring your body's signals, retard.
>> Anonymous
What does /fit/ think of the elliptical? I prefer it due to being able to read while using it, as well as working out my lower back extensively due to the push you exert when standing up straight enough. It also feels better for my joints... getting old I guess : /

Is there anything inherently wrong with using the elliptical that can't be solved by going at a higher level/faster (if it's not intense enough for /fit/)?
>> Hazard !ErY2TknG0w
Running is better for body & cardio conditioning.

If you think about it, we're adapted for walking/running and it uses more of the body.
There are studies that show running uses more cals as well.
>> Hazard !ErY2TknG0w
>>275240
If running isn't viable - i.e. bad/tired back or knees then it's the next best thing.

Running cross-country outdoors > all though
>> Anonymous
>>275097

There's no scientific evidence that running is bad on your knees long term. On the contrary, all the studies carried out on runners once they get old show increased bone density.

So long as you don't increase intensity too quickly and back off whenever there's any pain, it's all good. You body adapts to meet the demands of exercise and running is the most natural exercise there is for the human body (it's even been put forward as the reason our bodies are the shape they are: see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4021811.stm).
>> Anonymous
cycling is harder. IMO. in fact i should probably start doing that more....
>> Anonymous
>>275097
If you are having that problem, you clearly are doing it wrong. If you use a properly varied running routine and include proper stretching (afterwards only, not before) and progress at a reasonable pace, you WILL NOT have knee problems, but in fact will enjoy healthier joints (believe it) and a lower incidence of arthritis and the like.

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-285--12232-0,00.html
>> Anonymous
Reporting in the journal Arthritis Research and Therapy, a team from the department of immunology and rheumatology at Stanford University in southern California found that adults who run consistently can expect to have 25% less musculoskeletal pain and less arthritis than non-runners when they get older.

Dr Bonnie Bruce, the study author, followed more than 500 runners from a local club (called "ever runners" in the study) and 300 inactive people ("never runners", but not necessarily sedentary) in their 50s and 60s for 14 years. When results from an annual health questionnaire were analysed, Bruce and her colleagues found that the "ever runners", who ran at least six hours per week on average, experienced less joint pain by their 60s and 70s and only 35% of the joggers got arthritis (compared to 43% of non-runners).
>> Anonymous
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>>275334
It's true. You fat fucks have no excuse not to run.

Also, running is (per unit time at the same perceived exertion level) a much more intense cardio workout. Read it weep you fat-ass elliptical-waddling sacks of shit.
>> Anonymous
>>275343

I'd add the proviso that running might be bad for fatties, and they should lose some weight by other means first. All that blubber makes running very high-impact and is probably too big a jump in intensity... also, a fatty's form tends to be bad with plenty of vertical movement.

We're unlikely to see much research in this area because if they were long-term runners they wouldn't be such fatties, so there's a lack of subjects.
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I ride bicycle. I am athletic.
>> Anonymous
>>275353
acceptable response.

Fatties need to establish basic health first. BUT, running is "better", and the idea that running has NEGATIVE long-term effects on your joints is just plain wrong. Your body develops into the effort well.
>> Anonymous
Way i see it, running is ok in moderation but if you do it frequently for long distance you will fuck your joints, but its ok in moderation, i guess with every excersise. With cycling you gotta keep the momentum and building it until your exhausted, meaning you need a lot of gorund you can cover. But overall in my opinion the best is uphill biking using steep hills. most people who like to bike will stick to straights form what i see. but when your faced with a generally steep hill that goes on for a mile or two its an amzing workout, better than running too as you have to force yourself to keep momentum or your screwed and will have to start up agian which uses even more energy.

Im a cyclist and do about 30/40/50 miles every other day depending how busy i am, and it aint much on a bike. But i gotta start working on my running. Both running and cycling are great for stamina but not your overall. i crash after bout 2 miles running.
>> Anonymous
jump rope. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.
>> Anonymous
>>275371
>if you do it frequently for long distance you will fuck your joints
Not true. Distance runners who get 30+ miles a week in have quite healthy joints.

>i crash after bout 2 miles running
Don't listen to this obvious fatty. Fucking pathetic. How would this sack of shit know anything about running.
>> Anonymous
>>275240
I started using my mom's elliptical about a month ago, as she never uses it.
I have 3 15 minute sets on 9 resistance (out of 10), I've noticed a lot of muscle growth in my thigh and can run almost 3 miles (~2.9, with about 6 or 7 hills) in about 19-20 minutes
Going to the school track tomorrow to see if there really is a difference
>> Anonymous
>>275372
Just how good is jumping rope?
How long should you do it for?
What muscles does it work?
>> Hazard !ErY2TknG0w
Whether running screws your joints depends on what postural problems you already have and how heavy you are.
>> Anonymous
>>275428
Well, 10 minutes of jumping rope is equivalent to 30 minutes of jogging, supposedly. Of course, it's pretty hard to jump rope consistently for 10 minutes.
>> Anonymous
lol jogging
>> Anonymous
>>275510
Pussy.
>> Anonymous
>>275428
>What muscles does it work?
Whatever muscles are sore in the morning after jumping rope for 10 minutes the previous day.
>> Anonymous
>>275334
Fail study, I would assume that anyone who's joint hurt from running wouldn't do it anymore so that the people with generally worse joints wouldn't be in the first group at all, so it's self evident that the first group have better joints.
>> Anonymous
SQUATZ!!!
>> Anonymous
>>275428
http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwfit/jumprope.html
>> Anonymous
>>275587
>>275598
>>275510
Thanks Anons
>> Anonymous
>>275588

It was done over a period of 14 years, so they would have noticed people dropping out of the group due to injuries. Christ, was it too much to ask that you read the whole paragraph?
>> Anonymous
>>275588

Also, if you read the abstract someone posted as a jpeg you'll notice they also included in the non-runners people who had run at some point in the past but stopped. Those people still had fewer joint complaints as the years went on. The fail is all yours.
>> Anonymous
>>275334
Someone please provide a link to that study. I want to bookmark it for reference.
>> Anonymous
>>275653

If you look at the jpeg, there's a link which I obviously can't copypaste but it's there if you want it.
>> Anonymous
>>275653
http://arthritis-research.com/content/7/6/R1263
>> Anonymous
>>275672
Thank you kind anon.
>> Anonymous
Also from the same guy and published just a week ago, so an abstract only:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/168/15/1638

Reduced Disability and Mortality Among Aging Runners: A 21-Year Longitudinal Study

It's the study referred to in the BBC news article quoted somewhere above.
>> Anonymous
>>273857
*fap fap fap fap fap*
>> Anonymous
>>273922
God you fail at physics

Weight = mass * gravity

force = weight

pressure = force / area

force and area are both constant whether you're walking, running, or fucking STANDING, therefore pressure is constant and the same as when you're standing still
>> Anonymous
>>275240
I read a study that if you're a girl, it's bad on your hips because it forces your legs to take an unnatural angle on your hips, harming the hips and making it more likely you'll fall and break a hip when you get older
>> lepinkäinen
>>276817
So you're saying a ten pound weight is the same if you rest on your foot or drop it down on it?
>> Anonymous
>>276817
I love how you can misuse science to try and make yourself right. When you jog or run you're taking little tiny leaps. Go ahead and take little tiny leaps on a scale, watch the springboard when gymnasts do vault.. observe the heel springs on a pair of shoes with shocks in the heel walking compared to running.. jeez I could go on and on. You have no idea what you're talking about.


I must imagine you're all either stick thin, don't work out as hard as you think you do, or are very young.

Also lol at the guy pretending to be hardcore and then going on to say "I run 2 miles every day""
>> Anonymous
>>276817

You're wrong too. When you're running, your weight isn't the only thing involving a force. As your foot hits the ground a force is exerted to decelerate it, increasing with speed. It's obviously going to be higher when running or walking as compared to standing, when weight is the only force involved.

You're even wrong about the area part of the equation. While running, you only ever have one foot on the ground at any time.
>> Anonymous
>>276817
>God you fail at physics

HAHAHAHAHA.
>> Anonymous
>>276829

All the studies I've seen show that runners of both sexes end up with substantially lower incidence of joint problems (including hips) as they get older.
>> Anonymous
i think there needs to be made a distinction of running as an overweight individual (untrained and perhaps over-enthusiastic) and running when you're at a healthy weight and have proper muscle development.
>> Anonymous
>>273857
Ok guys here is the scoop on running and knee pain. I suffer from it and I love running, I have been down to a slim and almost sick looking 160lbs. I looked like an auschwitz-jew but I have to admit I mostly felt really awesome, and running was something I really looked forward to, I stopped and focused on other fitness activities because my knees started creaking and getting sore ALL the time. Sometimes I would just be driving my car and it would hit and I would be like HOLY FUCK this really hurts. Yes I'm sure that many of you were far more advanced than I was but just shut up for a second and I'll let you know what's going on.. it is important.

What is going on it the kneecap is getting pulled out of place by uneven muscle use. This is why it creaks when I use it.. the rubbing also causes the softer tissues to become inflamed which then makes the rubbing even worse. The solution is to ice your knees, do more (very careful) weight training on the quadriceps, take an anti inflammatory, get good shoes and insoles, and try to run uphill as much as you can, if need to go downhill just allow yourself to take it a little easier and make up for it with a more high-intensity period before and/or after.

For those of you who know what's up, are maybe a little older, or who actually work out as hard as they think they do. This is probably not news. But I hadn't seen anyone at all post this and it's the total god's honest truth and it's for sure got to rank right up there with rolling your ankle in terms of frequency.
>> Anonymous
>>276852
>i think there needs to be made a distinction of running as an overweight individual (untrained and perhaps over-enthusiastic)

This is important as well, everyone needs to start sometime, sometimes you're actually a really fit person but you've been slacking or focusing on other aspects of fitness for awhile. When you start getting into a regular running routine, you feel great and maybe you're losing your gut or the muscles that you've been building up for the past few months are starting to peek through and you really want to kick ass.

You have to take it easy, you need to stretch, ice, brace, sleep and probably the hardest.. call it quits/take it easy when you really feel like you could be doing a lot more for the first couple weeks/first month.
>> Anonymous
>>276857
>do more (very careful) weight training on the quadriceps

That's gotta be the most elaborate MOAR SQUATZ troll yet.
>> Anonymous
>>276898
heh well I was leaving it up to the reader to select the quad workout of their choice.
>> Anonymous
>>276898
Except what he says is more than just SQUATZ. gtfo.

>>276875
>probably the hardest.. call it quits/take it easy

This is hard. I messed up my elbow and my knees were hurting before, so I decided to stop working out for a day. I spent the whole day afraid and feeling guilty that I'd not be able to keep up with my routine.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>276832

Raped

>>276833

Pretending to be hardcore? Try working out 5x a week 2 full body part workouts in 2 hours per day, then running 2 sub 6minute miles after that.
>> Anonymous
>>276911

Was being sarcastic, aspie.
>> Anonymous
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Let's do both.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>276911

I know that feeling... taking a few days off because of being sick with something like the flu.. then come back doing like 3/4th the weight of before. Sucks.

>>276911
>probably the hardest.. call it quits/take it easy

I've been talking to some older guys that were once competition body builders.. they said eventually I'll have to eventually choose between being a runner or a body builder, because they both lead to the same path of joint wear and tear.. That'll be a hard day, its ok when you're young but not into late 30s+ apparently.
>> Anonymous
>>276927
>Pretending to be hardcore? Try working out 5x a week 2 full body part workouts in 2 hours per day, then running 2 sub 6minute miles after that.

Yeah you're going to have to start working better recovery periods into a workout like that eventually.. You might actually get better results from splitting up all those full body workouts so you have time for the muscles to grow more before you beat them up again.

You know what works for you and if you're doing all that I'm sure you've heard it before.
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>276947

>2 full body part workouts
>2 full body part
>body part
>part

Easier to read for you? For example today, which I am leaving for now, I'm doing chest BODY PART + bicep BODY PART. 45-1hr each especially chest because its a major. I do splits of major part(ex. chest,back etc.) with a minor (bi,tri etc.).
>> Anonymous
>>276954
Ahh yes, gotcha..
>> Anonymous
>>276954
I don't understand why you would do chest and bicep when they do very little together. Why not put chest/tricep together because many exercises involve the both of them directly?
>> JL523 !Je.61Huaqc
>>276984

Used to, then a body builder shared his insight with me. Simply put, here's an example. Chest workouts use triceps quite a bit as we know, because both are push exercises. Ok now why would you do both on the same day? Try this to test it out, do tricep after a day of rest, record what you did. Now try doing it after a chest workout. You're not getting 100%. You get 100% chest and less than 100% tricep workout or reverse if you do tri then chest. Also since I workout every part before I repeat, Chest hits tricep a bit, bicep hits back a bit. Next day I do shoulders. Next day I do back which hits bicep AGAIN and tricep which hits chest AGAIN instead of waiting for my entire cycle (4 on 2 off) to restart. Its personal belief in the end.