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this movie got me thinking. are anabolic steroids that bad?
>> Anonymous
No, they're safe, as long as you have a proper PCT then you're fine.
>> Anonymous
For bodybuilding? do whatever you want,its your body, its not a sport.

In sports? your a fucking cheater, no arguments about it.

The documentary is good also.
>> well fuck your shit !SvVHiVQG4I
Protip: don't take medical advice from a profit-seeking entity other than your personal doctor.
>> Anonymous
But you can trust Jose from the corner. He gets the good shit from his cousin in Tijuana, he won't fuck you
>> Anonymous
>>338010
as far as competitiongoes: it is cheating. if you are referring to safety then there is no clearcut answer. Due to the immense amount of research on anabolics, people can run cycles with little to no side effects. This does no pertain to all forms of steroids, doses, and amount of cycles though. However, it is undeniably harmful for anyone under the age of roughly 25 to take any cycle of anabolics since the human endocrine system is still developing.
>> Anonymous
>>338059
educatedfag is educated
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i wrote a treatise sized post on this before, but i'll chyme in w/the short and sweet

This was the singular best documentary i have ever seen on the topic. well presented, very well researched, AND with all the pertinent big names in the biz (on both ends)

AND EVEN THOUGH i share a different viewpoint than the movie's 'star', i still think he did a fantastic job presenting the material and asking the question "WHY" on many, many levels.

Considering he's anti-, did a well balanced discussion, unlike the michael moore jump cuts and temporal displacement cuts to make people just agree with him or look like assholes if they dont.

Due to my line of work, i HAVE READ the works and research journals penned on the topics of sports and steroids, as well as given presentations on them (terrible misconceptions even in the academic physiology world as well...let me tell you...) i used the best PhD/MDs as sources, and i got to watch them get interviewed in BSF. i've dialogued w/"smelly" aka jackass on 2 lifting forums over the last 4 years, including seeing that picture of the main actor w/arnold years ago. i've been to Westside Barbell and the Arnold in columbus.

tl dr: they even interview Chuck Vogelpohl and Louie. shit dont get much more real than that

for further viewing, check out the HBO insider sports w/the same editor of 'muscle n' something' who presented inBFS, he does a really good job presenting FACTS there too, especially against biased media, (he's got the goatee and green eyes)
>> Anonymous
>>338125
That girl looks kinda "Feels good, man".
>> Anonymous
>>338125
what was that chicks name again?

i remember she's from crossfaggotry.
>> Anonymous
>>338138
i dont know why i post her....people comment on her and nevr on my post
>> Anonymous
Link to Torrents of this video.
>> Anonymous
>>338606
pirate bay, look for "bigger stronger faster" and get the "Bigger Stronger Faster Documentary DVDRip" torrent, the other ones are pretty much shit.
>> Anonymous
Anabolics is completely harmless, except your back is going to look like the rocky mountains of zits and your balls wil shrink (There are several other bi-effects that have been assosciated with roids, but i will not list them here.). Ofcourse, there is a chance it wont happen to you, so why not go ahead and gamble?
>> Anonymous
>>338645
completely bro.
>> Anonymous
>>338150
>crossfaggotry
lol
>> Anonymous
I have yet to watch this, but I intend to later today when I get a chance. here is a free streaming copy of it:

http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/documentaries/Bigger%2C_Stronger%2C_Faster/109479/Full.html?aid=1
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>> Anonymous
>>338125
Out of interest, what were the misconceptions amongst doctors about steroids?
>> Anonymous
>>338928
the same old wive's tails you hear spouted by the uneducated media/politicians.

the labeling of steriods as a BAD DRUG next to blow, heroin, and the like (ironically, against the recommendation of the FDA, ADA, and DEA) has made them a big 'no no', hence no research, hence no education.

just because you are a Dr. d/n mean you 'know everything' about health. doc's know what they specialize in. and pro-steroid doctors are often demonized along the likes of drug dealers and pimps on the street, destroying our PRECIOUS CHILDREN, hence having to use 'alternative (read: witch doctors) medicine' angle.
>> Anonymous
just watched it on surf the channel. I thought it was done really well. Not only does it present truthful information about anabolic steroids, I think it also does a good job remaining unbiased and true to what a documentary should be. I think the most important conclusion I drew from watching this is that steroids are not the problem. This is a sociologically and psychologically induced inferiority complex that needs to be addressed, not the drugs. Even if you got rid of all the performance enhancing drugs, it would not stop people from WANTING to do them. That is what needs to be changed, or accepted, depending on how you feel.
>> Anonymous
There isn't a universal truth when it comes to steroids for every individual, just like with everything else. Some people use steroids for decades and have virtually no side-effects, so for them it would be silly not to take them because it's obvious that steroids are very beneficiary.

However some will contract every possible side-effect, so for them it pays only if they are ready to go through all that.

There's no way of knowing what side-effect you will contract, so it's up to you to decide.
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>>339875
sterrrroiiiidss arent random. as a whole, yes, just as if you were to stick your hand in a halloween basket of 'DEPRESSION mediciation'. every individiual steriod has its own properties, dosing protocol, and associated bell curve w/SDs for possible effects per dosage.

many CANNOT give your acne, give bitch tits, shrink nuts, UNDER ANY DOSAGE. and most of those problems are only associate w/abuse. so fucktards can get stung, but 99% of those who would fall into the 'reasonable usage/moderation+properly planned' camp will be COMPLETELY fine before, during, and after cycle.

during my 'competitive' powerlifting era, many (most) of my teammates used. they
a. never did pct
b. wouldnt select a specific dosing protocol, they'd just take as many of orals of steroid X till 'their liver would hurt too much to squat'
c.eat tons of mcDs
d. all squatted over 600

and best of all, never had any outward signs, OR internal. they got their blood work done regularly and while total cholest might be up a dozen points or so, but i'd still be below average. BPs below average as well (on men who are BMI 30+!! 5'8 265 15%) so indicator wise, they are even more fit than you. what about the liver? the liver is designed for that purpose and heals very quickly, problems like that only happen on outrageous usage of orals (17-aa).
yes its never the 'full story', but its a damn good one of real experience. something to think about.
>> Anonymous
>>338045
more like including your doctor amirite
>> Anonymous
>>339928

/thread
>> Anonymous
>>338010
http://www.steroidssavedmylife.com
>> Anonymous
if someone had low testosterone levels would roids help him gain balance? or do roids only screw things up?
>> Anonymous
How the fuck does one even get these....roids?
>> Anonymous
>>340137
I'm serious, do most people buy this shit like off the streets or something or are they getting it from their doctors?
>> Anonymous
>>340140
and teh interbutts

but if you have to ask like that, you arent mature enough to handle them. so be thankful they are easily accessible for people like . im sure you think that all blacks sling dope too. good thing mom's basement is safe
>> Anonymous
>>340134

It would fuck things up. If a doctor determines you have a legit imbalance, you can get testosterone supplements.
>> Anonymous
>>340149
>but if you have to ask like that, you arent mature enough to handle them

How the fuck did my comment sound immature even in the slightest? I was just curious.
>> Anonymous
>>340153
it was a fancy and rude version of "I dont know"
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If your shooting any less then this a day your a pussy.
>> Anonymous
>>340150

thanks DOC

disregard him, absolutely wrong.

lets say, for #s sake that normal is between 150-750 ng/dl. funny things dont normally happen till 1000+

you are 151 and your buddy is 750, the great 'hi normal' level.

you and your doc/dealer would select a dosage and application to get you to your desired level exogenously to make it to hi normal.

(this is a generalization) 151 (endogenous production) + 599 (via HRT product)= 750ng/dl, just like your buddy

no problem, no ‘issues’, etc. because you are still WELL within ‘normal’ range for the human body to handle.

this is what most people can be doing if they were so inclined and if the public stopped demonizing the drug.

considering how many people have infertility problems, and how bad Test plummets after your 20s...to get back to 'normal' shouldnt be a big deal.
>> Anonymous
>>340154
Uh okay? I was simply asking, how do most people obtain steroids? I mean, I'm assuming that doctors don't just give them out routinely, so that would only leave obtaining the drugs illegally or through some other channel.

I was just asking.
>> Anonymous
>>340158
this
>> Anonymous
>>340161

Jose on the corner.
>> Anonymous
i wrote that long post back up there as well

the short and sweet, go to see a alt medi/wellness doc

hope you have GOOD insurance.

bloodtestpisstestsalivatests and then maybe, depending upon the mindset of the doc (see other post for spread) that is you are anything but hi normal, he'll get you up there

HOWEVER, if its an asshole doctor, if you are 150 (the lowest average score you can have), and the cut off it 149, the doctor will say you are fine and its all Munchausen's

get me?
>> Anonymous
>>340169
Alternative Medicine doctor? So a fucking drug dealer?
>> Anonymous
>>340170
yah, a dealer w/degree

i 'splained this already why the mainstreams wont touch it, too little education, too much misinformation,

most doc's classify juice w/blow and tar. under 'slight medical benefits, MASSIVE risks'
>> Anonymous
>>340171
Hm, that's pretty gay, I've been looking into AS for awhile and I was thinking of starting a cycle, but I don't know how in the fuck to even start looking for the stuff.
>> Anonymous
Okay so lets say I wanted to start taking steroids, where would I start.
>> Anonymous
>>340174
like a mentioned before, that got every1's panties all reiled up, is that this is an intentionally level of disassociation between the juice world and yours

its best if its kept like that.

based on the admission of lack of knowledge, which is a noble thing to admit.

here's an 'in', did a google and i foudn the 'most fun' of the stories written....just start diving diving diving and you can learn all of this on your own, as i have. long before i got to PLAY doctor w/them

http://www.musclemissions.org/public/99.cfm
>> Anonymous
>>340177

Just browsing that page it seems that trying to obtain steroids is about as risking as smuggling fucking heroine, which is bullshit. But it looks like I won't be fucking with the stuff because of the impossible task of obtaining it.
>> Anonymous
>>340181
i sent you there to see 2 things

1. dan duschaine

2. his opus, the Underground Steriod Bible

go now my son, let no arrow sully the way to the darkside.
>> Anonymous
>>340191
with those to resources, a make do kinda kid can get in it pretty quick

godspeed
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SOOOOOOOOO

ANON

what do YOU think of steroids

lets opn a discussion
1. have u?
2. would u?
3 will u now?
4 will u now if laws legalize it
5 WHaT you expect to GAIN from it
6. what would you run (use)
>> Anonymous
>>340196
1. have u? No
2. would u? Yes
3 will u now? If I can get a hold of them
4 will u now if laws legalize it I'd be less reluctant.
5 WHaT you expect to GAIN from it: Muscle 4 poon.
6. what would you run (use) Not sure
>> Anonymous
lets opn a discussion
1. have u? NO
2. would u? YES
3 will u now? no
4 will u now if laws legalize it YES
5 WHaT you expect to GAIN from it mostly strength, some dry mass hopefully as well.
oh fuck it, i'd just run the silly BB cycle and poof up like coleman
6. what would you run (use) well, if im runnin an old school, deca and dbol, w/good PCT
>> Anonymous
next?
>> Anonymous
Just finished watching it, it's good. Chris Bell makes a good argument with his somewhat funny way of telling his story. Giving stories for both sides, while it may not be as objective as other documentaries are considering the nature of his story telling, but his pursuit to the question provides interesting points to think about.
>> Anonymous
1. have u? NO
2. would u? NO
3 will u now? NO
4 will u now if laws legalize it NO BECAUSE LEGALIZING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S SAFE TO TAKE IT. POLITICS IS SUCH A SHITTY GAME. I WILL TAKE IF THERE ARE PROVEN LONGTERM EXTENSIVE RESEARCHES TO BACK ITS SAFETY.
5 WHaT you expect to GAIN from it RIP A HORSE'S HEAD OFF BARE HANDS
6. what would you run (use) WHAT IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE
>> Anonymous
If you want to build a fit and healthy diet you probably don't need/want this or any of it's side effects.
If you're some big shot sponsored sports star / muscleman whose entire career depends on it it's your only choice.
>> Anonymous
why the fuck is carrot top on the juice? Hes a fucking prop comedian and then a few years down the line i see hes all over vegas and hes 3 times the fucking size he was before?????
>> Anonymous
Steve Reeves on steroids:

“I don’t believe in bodybuilders using steroids. If a man doesn’t have enough male hormones in his system to create, a nice hard, muscular body, he should take up ping pong.”
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