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At my gym there are a number of guys in really good shape with muscles popping out everywhere and low body fat, but I see them using bad form all the time (swinging back doing curls, not going all the way down on the bench press, etc). Are they that way just because they've done it regularly for so long? It can't all be genetics and they can't all be on the juice.
>> Anonymous
They've obviously been doing it for ages and probably have crazy restrictive diets.

However they will eventually fuck themselves up in some way, and probably aren't getting as much out of their workout than if they did it properly.
>> Anonymous
Probably are on the juice, the gym i used to go to pretty much every guy there in good shape was roiding. Hell the fuckers would take, and even shoot the shit up in the locker room. Most of them did have pretty bad technique now that i think about it, i guess you dont really need it when you're eating as much testosterone as a rhino produces.
>> Anonymous
Funny fact: force them to stop eating testosterone for about 3 months. Balloon effect :D
>> Anonymous
>not going all the way down on the bench press

They do that to target specific muscles, seeing as how a full bench press is a compound exercise (yes it is).

And if youve been lifting for a long time and have a lot of experience you can get away with cheating like swinging dumbells / bouncing bars etc. it can help push you past your normal failure point.

But the fucking purists on this board will probably say otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>179969

this is true, arnold agrees also. purists can gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>179969

True. But if we're honest, cheating is usually more an ego thing, though, not a planned-out strategy.

As for bulky guys cheating, if the load is sufficiently heavy, either cheat reps or strict reps *will* build muscle. For a cheat rep, the load must simply be heavier (or greater volume) for the adaptions to be necessary, but it doesn't exactly cause a drop in strength whenever something a bit too heavy for comfort is being heaved around...

The main thing about cheat reps is not that they don't eventually build the same muscles, but rather the risk of injury in using one's body language to move more than the muscles themselves can rightly control.

Cheat curls, partial deads, kipping pull-ups... any of these can really fuck up tendons if done too much. I do them all at times on bulk cycles, when I'm replacing the extra damage pretty fast with nutrients. But I've had tendonitis from bad form particularly during cuts, when I'm already feeling like crap.

The bottom line is that people who've been in the gym a long time are two sets:

1) Those who are careful.
2) Those who are gifted.

If they are cheat-repping like crazy, they have gifted ligaments and tendons. The ungifted, even if extremely lucky, eventually end up taking long, long involuntary breaks--myself included once.

Those guys aren't necessarily on steroids, but for every guy you are seeing slinging iron around with wild abandon, maybe ten others got burned by that lack of caution and are not there to represent the wisdom of strict reps. Unless you go watch them at their own homes, cringing to pick up a newspaper.
>> Anonymous
>>179969

Me again. You can see the bench press thing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=wEwpLMO6n7s

Its just to work different parts of the chest you know.
>> Anonymous
>>179976

Consider the audience, though.

You really want a newb in highschool who just began lifting in order to "impress that girl" to start cheat-repping because he imagines he has a weak point in a movement after a few bad days? His connective tissue can barely handle the tension of the strict reps!

There are also other ways to work a weak point. Negatives, strict but limited ROM reps, bands and chains, speed reps, isolation exercises...
>> Anonymous
>>179980
Well another thing is the whole psychology of the gym. It's all about how impressive it is to swing some heavy shit around. Even though they could get the same workout, with less weight, and less danger to themselves, that just wouldnt be as impressive. Most guys there want to be seen with as heavy weights as they can possibly hold. Plus yeah, they usually do get injured, and thats even more macho in their mind for some reason, i cant count how many times the guy at work actually bragged about tearing his bicep.

Thats why i always hated gyms, i just cant stand the whole strutting, bragging kind of aspect about it. Finally i just broke down and bought my own weight set for home so i didnt have to hang around those bunch of tiny penised simpletons.