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So /fit/, I'd like get more active. I do a lot of walking, but I've allowed myself to become pretty sedentary. So I was thinking about taking a class through my school.

So, the three classes that I'm looking at are Shorin Ryu Karate, Hapkido, Capoeira. I don't really care much about the self defense aspect, I just want a good workout that's a bit interesting. I could use some flexibility too.

Which of these is the best choice?
>> Anonymous
KRAV OR BJJ
>> Anonymous
>>392349
Does one really need to append an "in b4 squatz and retards" to every post to get a reasonable response?

There's three options presented. You managed to pick none of them. Congratulations, you might be mentally challenged.
>> Anonymous
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>>392355
>> Anonymous
1. Capoeira
2. Hapkido
3. Karate
>> Anonymous
capoeira is primarily dancing. If you want a good work out, go for that. It's pretty intense and alot of gun without the meathead competativeness/agression you might find in other martial arts.
>> Anonymous
>>392684
>agression
If you're gonna insult and generalize martial arts, do it with proper spelling.
>> Anonymous
1. Useless
2. Useless
3. McDojo Useless
>> Anonymous
Capoeira is a lot of fun,get a friend to go with you and then spar with them all the time also kind-of in before the fags that think martial arts are anything more than a sport/hobby
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>>392771

This man would like to have a discussion with you...
>> Anonymous
They're all pretty crappy, and they generally won't give you any kind of good workout. (at least compared to other, legitimate martial arts.)

If I had to pick one I'd go with Hapkido. The wide array of kicks in Hapkido will mean that you'll do a lot of flexibility work in class, and if you're lucky you'll even get a decent workout from hitting pads. Not to mention that those big, flashy kicks are fucking awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>392795
have you ever tried capoeira?after about 15 minutes of sparring with a friend i wanted to die
>> Anonymous
>>392711
lol kung fu fan boy got offended. Listen up buddy, it's the truth. Capoeira is not some deadly martial art form. It's primarily an art form centered on dancing.

Sorry to break it to you but no capoeira grand master is going to come into the ring and knock out Fedor anytime soon.
>> Anonymous
>>392837
No shit.
I just get annoyed when some illiterate calls other people meatheads.
I wasn't disputing his description of Capoeira, but this part: "meathead competativeness/agression you might find in other martial arts."
>> Anonymous
>>392867
i love that aspect of sports. But its not for everyone. Some poeple just want something physical to do for a hobbie.. They don't feel like rolling on a mat with some former all state wrestler while crazy metal music plays in the back round.

Like if i juts want to do a hobb, not a sport, I wouldn't take kick boxing or muy thai because those are atheletes, not hobbyists. They take it far more seriously than someone who is just looking for a way to get in shape and not everyone wants to be in that atmosphere.
>> Anonymous
take the internetkarateka shit elsewhere. OP, cappybera is a good work out. Question answered, but wrestling will really drain your ass. It's practically HIIT!
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capoeira is a go-go

1. good atmosphere, everyone just wants to have fun
2. good music: you get to learn songs and shit
3. acrobatics is awesome
4. it makes you feel crazy good

It's a lot like breakdancing without having to learn the specific beats of the songs (even though you learn songs anyways) or personal style/original flavor. Take a b-boying class too, if you're into dancing.

Gawdamn you, you make me want to take it again, I don't have the moneys.

Getting high + capoeira (or b-boying) is the best thing in the world. Good friends and you feel the music like crazy, if you feel that good day after day you're gonna start to get in shape and you won't even notice it since you feel so good all the time.
>> Anonymous
>>393390
>while crazy metal music plays in the back round.

You must have visited some really weird schools, because I've never seen this or even heard of this happen.
>> Anonymous
>>393508
plus hes also a dumbass that cant even spell Muay Thai
>> Anonymous
>>392347
I'm curious now, what school do you go to? I'm working my way into college (senior here, yeah I know) and I'm trying to figure on which schools offer what kind of programs in performing/martial arts. Off the top of my head, I'd say capoeira, since it's something I myself am interested in. From what I know, it both is very hand-oriented and contains a lot of footwork. For example, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that you'll be able to hold a good handstand with straight legs for a minute or more once you've gotten fairly adjusted, and by nature there's a lot of wide-area dance movements, while if you ever take notice of small-area dancers (i.e. ballet) they have ridiculously well-formed legs from the thighs down to the calves.
>> Anonymous
>>393390
bullshit levels overwhelming here. where the fuck do they play metal while practicing cap? They play samba and shit, unless they got hip-hop but even that is unlikely. Also, there is no getting in shape without being serious. You can't be a casual athlete. If you want to develop musculature through a sport, you're going to have to be a dedicated athlete to it. Yes, there are athletic hobbyists in many sports, but they either dabble in a multitude of athletics or really aren't fit anyway.
>> Anonymous
i took hapkido for a while. that art can be DEVASTATING. i didnt like it because the school was focused more on competition wtyle joint locks and strikes. But shit man if you can get an instructor who will teach you street level hapkido you can fuck some shit up. All the strikes and throws are extremely powerful, ground work is pretty generic though.
>> Anonymous
>>392837
Lol wut now?

I'll take a Capoeira grandmaster over Fedor any day of the damn week. While it has many games that the art plays to practice it dances, it does not mean that one is going to start doing dumb flashy nonsense in a fight.

ITT Idiots forgetting the amount of force that goes into a capoeira kick when done at a proper fighting speed instead of the controlled dancing they see. Dumbasses need to go back to Never Back Down and jerkoff over the idiot doing nonsense and getting punched for it.
>> Anonymous
>>393549
ITT we plan to do things TOTALLY DIFFERENTLY from what we practice?
>> Anonymous
>>392711
I don't see how>>392684is insulting. Capoeira is most easily recognized by its dance-like nature. It's probably best for OP if he wants to get moving and have fun while doing it. More people should take this stance on martial arts because it has become very competitive and aggressive recently. I'm look at you UFC and MMA.
>> Anonymous
>>393552
Just because you are doing and practicing all the moves it does not mean you are going to do them exactly as is in an actual fight. If you start showing off a form for any martial, you are going to get decked in the middle of it.
>> Anonymous
>>393549
If capoeria style kicks were any good you'd see them in full contact striking sports, but you don't. The reason being, they suck and they suck hard.
>> Anonymous
>>393564
I've bee on the dangerous end of a samba kick. That spin puts an immense amount of force behind the kick. Most UFC fighters are graceless idiot who do not really practice any martial art, they do fighting derivatives.

Capoeira is supposed to hide those kicks while people keep thinking its "LOL DANSAN." It is similar to the same boat as Tae Kwon Do except that the kicks aren't as direct, but people assume it is just "LOL KICKAN" and flying faggotry until they see a person stick to try and true. All of the flashy shit takes either too long to set up (and flashy shit you have to set up) and/or is so ridiculous to worth bothering with. Most of the body mechanics in capoeira allow to push a shitload of force in a relatively quick time.

The kicks and punches are good but people don't take the time to look at it from the practical and simply think its just flashy dancing.
>> Anonymous
>>393568
LOL
>> Anonymous
>>393568
That's because it is flashy dancing. All those big spin kicks with a large windup are just a good way to get knocked on your ass.

You fight the way you train. Lets take tae kwon do for example. Before it was watered down by the Olympics, TKD had a reputation of producing some really tough full contact fighters. These days you almost never find a TKD guy that crosses over to full contact fighting and does well. If they do, it's because they had to completely change the way they train and end up abandoning most of the flashy stuff, which just doesn't work. This doesn't happen to Muay Thai, kick boxing, and Kyokushin guys, who regularly train for full contact.

Capoeria is not training for fighting. It's training for dancing.
>> Anonymous
capoeira is as much martial art as is parkour.
>> Anonymous
Fuck this, go to Thailand and take Muay Thai. Lots of focus on conditioning.
>> Anonymous
>>393580
You don't have to go to Thailand for that.
>> Anonymous
>>393584
I don't know how rigorous the MT training is in america. I mean, these people in Thailand spend 6+ hours a day 6 days on week alone. The professionals, that is.
>> Anonymous
>>393574
I agree with most of what you wrote. At the same time though a lot of the smaller movements from capoeira and, strangely enough drunken, really help you put your weight in on the strikes. There's a lot to be learned from the stance movement in capoeira that could help a lot of people.

Any person doing flashy shit deserves the decking they get.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKQ9PYmFuI
>> Anonymous
>>393597
I don't think I can facepalm hard enough.

7/10 trolling.
>> Anonymous
>>393594
Being drunken also does a pretty good job of making you not notice how hard you're sucking. No one's saying that if there were some hypothetical school of Capoeira that dropped all the dancing around and focused on useful things, that it couldn't be good. Only that no such thing exists.
>> Anonymous
>>393590
Well, I don't have the faintest idea whether that kind of professional exists in America. Most muy thai classes probably are not that hardcore. But I'm sure that there are plenty of instructors who could give an extremely motivated student just as good an education, except possibly at the very highest levels of achievement. But by that point, you're not looking to find a better school or teacher—you're looking to study from particular people.
>> Anonymous
>>393597
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKjpdWyYMc

I like krav maga. looks practical
>> Anonymous
>>393625
Should've explained that a bit. Some of the movements from drunken boxing; used to walk in a very flat footed so doing motions that would complement that and allowed me to throw my weight into the strikes in a way that made sense to me helped a lot when I started sparring. The friend that taught me had the unfortunate pleasure of having to train in an environment that had a girl doing capoeira. From what he told me, getting kicked by her was a really bad time.

If a school is teaching you a martial art focusing solely in the vacuum of only using the art or the martial part, you are going to be missing a lot of what it has to offer. Capoeira taught in the vacuum of only dancing as opposed to the component part that was used to hide it from policemen is a disservice to the students.
>> Anonymous
>>393597
showboats deserve such.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL9ZXos8LfQ&feature=related

End of the day depends on the practioners.
>> Anonymous
Capoeira is a very good workout for overall fitness. You'll spend a lot of time on your hands, doing pretty much every pushup and dip variant imaginable, so you get a lot more upper body work than the other arts you listed. Doing handstands and cartwheels as part of basic moves may not be practical or even sane, but it does work the upper body. Other common movements put heavy strain on all sides of the core. And, of course, you're doing lunges and squats the whole time.

Look, compound movements are good, right? Balance, control, strength, and flexibility are all important for total fitness, right? Well, capoeira does all of those really well. The fact that it's more like dance or gymnastics is a feature in this regard, not a detriment. it has a lot of weird, impractical motions that karate and hapkido don't use. Look at the picture you posted, OP. That guy doing that weird arched-back handstand - you will never see that in karate or hapkido, because it's frankly pretty dumb in a fight. But it requires strength and control throughout the body. It's good for you.
>> Anonymous
>>393508
maybe you go to lame ass kick boxing schools that give out black belts haha... i've been to real gyms with real fighters.

>>393534
dumbass, i was talking about mma gyms, boxing gyms and wresteling clubs where they are more intense about their training and are over all more aggressive guys. Of coursen o one does that shit in capoeira.
>> Anonymous
>>393549
ahaha you fail buddy. you fail real fucking hard. man you're gullible
>> Anonymous
>>393534
you really think that the only way to stay in shape is by practicing 2-3 hours a day like an athlete? Yeah, cuz i forgot how for thousands of years people stayed healthy and fit by hiting up the weights and jogging for 2 hours a day in their health spas. Oh wait a minute..

yeah buddy, sorry to break it to you, but if all you wanna do is stay in shape it doesn't take a whole lot. Becoming an athlete is different. Keeping a waist line down, cardio and weight training really don't take hours and hours and hours to work out. It can easily be done with 3-4 hours of exercise a week if people are smart about it and their diet and aren't a couch potato the entire time they're awake.
>> Anonymous
>>393810
>>393814
>>393823
Please go away until you can operate the English language. Thanks for understanding.
>> Anonymous
>>393826
Fine, I'll type like I'm handing in a term paper. You know what's really funny though? The fact that you can't refute anything I say and all that comes out is insults. Must be terrible to always be so fucking wrong. At least have the decency to engage in a mature debate.
>> Anonymous
>>393826
kil urself fagot lol k thx bai
>> Anonymous
>>393833
I have no idea what you said, nor do I have any interest in refuting whatever it was. I just noticed three posts of poor English marring the page, and I didn't like it. I still don't.
>> Anonymous
>>393849
so you're a nosy whiny bitch who has no interest in actually knowing what he's talking about? wow! sounds just like a woman!
>> Anonymous
>>393849
Plz go awy till u cna not sound lyk a Pretentious faggit. jus kil ursolf
>> Anonymous
>>393852
Where did I give the impression I don't know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about 3 posts. Same person. Offensively bad writing.
>> Anonymous
>>393854
you're ignoring the content of the posts and focus on spelling. That means you're ignorant of the conversation and the content. That means you don't know what you're talking about.

fail
>> Anonymous
>>good workout that's a bit interesting

Well, the best thing you can do is to actually go to these classes and check them out. Usually they'll invite spectators to come in and sit down. I was waiting for the Hapkido people in my gym to finish up and they invited me, a kickboxer/grappler, to come in and check out their cane fighting.

If the martial art class is like every day, and at least 90 minutes+, and there is a lot of sparring, then it sounds good.
>> Anonymous
Also, as for effectiveness in self defense, there are some important points you should acknowledge:

1.) Conditioning and athletic ability is as important as techniques

2.) At a professional level, all martial arts just boil down to striking and grappling. These factors don't matter, what matters is training.

3.) Don't look at MMA as a martial art. Instead it is a philosophy, which is to be well rounded and well trained in everything, with consideration to physics and less consideration to showboating. Just because you don't see dirty tactics in the MMA arena doesn't mean MMA users don't use them on the street..
>> Anonymous
>>393864
nice. thats the most comprehensive and straightforwad response i've seen yet.
>> Anonymous
>>393855you're ignoring the content of the posts and focus on spelling. That means you're ignorant of the conversation and the content.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I stumble in on a "let's bring YouTube comments to /fit/" thread? No, I fucking didn't. Your pollution of my /fit/ is entirely independent of the content of this thread, which does not concern me in the least.
>> Anonymous
>>393874
wtf are you talking about? dude, you failed, get over it
>> Anonymous
>>393880
Did you somehow miss:
>>393810
>>393814
>>393823
>>393826
>>393833
>>393849
>>393852
>>393854
>>393855
>>393874
>>393880
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>> Anonymous
>>393885
lol again, what is your point? Trying to sound like you're obvliiosu to things? Congratulations.