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Su­p, /fit/?

I'm 18, 6 foot, and weigh in at 152 pounds.

I eat high protein, high calorie, high carb shit all the fucking time. I exercise. Yet I can't gain a fucking ounce. This is bullshit.

Around what time does metabolism usually wear down? I would like to stop looking like a scrawny piece of shit soon. .

P.S. How does /fit/ generally deal with the hair in between one's asscheeks? Do you just go with it or get some kind of special wax or what?
>> Anonymous
Firstly, give us a typical day in your diet.

List what you eat and how much...

Also, what exercise are you doing?
>> Anonymous
As far as your ass hair OP, just grab a razor and shave it while you're in the shower.
>> Anonymous
Let it grow. Only fags shave back there.
>> Anonymous
>Around what time does metabolism usually wear down
Bah, like you're gonna wait that long

Lift and eat moar, even if you have a fast metabolism, it is possible to gain weight

Also answer this>>152500please
>> Anonymous
>>152500
answer this
>> Anonymous
Kinesiologist here...

You're not eating anywhere near enough. When I was training some of my athletes at their peak, they needed a good 5000 calories a day for maintenance, and another 500 added to that before they could see any gains. Now if you think eating 2 or 3 extra twinkies and a bear claw from the 7-eleven is going to cut it, you're sadly mistaken.

An example diet (eating every 3 hours)

1st meal
---
1 peanut butter and jelly sandwhich
1 meat and cheese sandwhich
1 cup cottage cheese
3 packets of quaker oats strawberry oat meal
salad with carrots and spinach

2nd meal
---
2 bear claws
grab a snickers
1/2 tall can of salmon (open the can, drink all the juice, eat half the meat)
3 bananas
finish it off with some popcorn

3rd meal
---
1/2 can of salmon (eat the other half)
2 cups of yogurt
HUGE salad with bell peppers, celery, tomatoes, cucumbers, and a stalk of corn.
hand full of grapes
1 mango
bowl of fried rice mixed with several fried eggs.

4th meal
---
2 double cheese burgers and a large fries. Wash it down with a cold 7 up.

5th meal
---
This is your last meal - whatever you haven't gotten in your diet yet, you need to get it now. This should be at least 1 or 2 hours before bed.

So are you eating like that?
>> Anonymous
I usually start off with 3 eggs for breakfast. Throughout the day I eat really anything that's laying around the house, trying to not let any two hour periods go without a meal of some sort, be it 2 platefuls of leftover spaghetti or three cheeseburgers. I worry about this because, as for the summer I'll be living with my parents and will always have something laying around. Whereas once I go to college, I'll probably be strapped for money. Immediately after I exercise, I drink two scoops (52 grams) of whey protein. On occasion, I use creatine aswell. I drink well more than a gallon of water each day.

As for the excersises, I do 4-5 sets of dumbbell (or barbell presses depending on what equipment I have available) presses until failure for chest. 4-5 sets of dumbbell surls for biceps. 4-5 sets of dumbbell squats for legs. 4-5 sets of barbell lifts for back. All until failure. I do up to about 200 Hindu Squats without breaking currently. Right now I bench roughly 100 pounds because I'm a piece of shit.

I'm probably not eating enough or not lifting enough or some shit. Lay it on me, /fit/. Be as brutal as possible.
>> Anonymous
>>152524
Once or twice a week, order a large pizza and divide it into 3 meals, along with all the stuff I listed above - do this on your HARDEST training days - particularly days where you train twice, such as chest in the morning and back in the evening.
>> Anonymous
>So are you eating like that?

Needless to say, not yet.

Thanks for the insight. =3
>> sage
Not gaining weight? Eat more. Still not? Eat even more.

In short: Eat more until you DO gain. It's not a hard fucking concept.
>> Anonymous
>>152533

If you found that helpful, I have a site where I give out advice like this regularly. You can see my qualifications there as well. Check it out sometime.

http://www.themedicalhelp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21

you have to register but its free, and I patrol the board daily.
>> Anonymous
>>152530
thats nothing
eat more
>> Anonymous
>>152494

Looks liek some pectus chest, how are you doing with that? got that god damn thing also
>> Anonymous
>>152559

you must mean pectus excavatum. faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>152564

whatever you want to call it
>> Anonymous
>>152567
I wanna call it Roy.

That doesn't make it right though.
>> Anonymous
>>152559

Considering some of the other cases I've seen of it, I take solace in the fact that my chest doesn't look nearly as fucked up as others.

=D
>> Anonymous
>>152577

you can be very happy, hard for me to even wear a fucking t-shirt on a windy weather
>> Anonymous
>>152494
Ok, for one, you need to remember a few rules to working out. Break your week into workout days and never work out a body part that's sore. If you work out every body part every day, you're going to get negative results. Try something like Day 1-5: Shoulders, Back, Chest, Legs, Arms.

Next, play around with different weights until you can estimate what would be so heavy that you can only lift it one time. That's your 100% one rep maximum. Below 70% of that one rep maximum, you're causing Sarcoplasmic Hyperthrophy which will result in lean muscles with lots of stamina. Above that, you will cause Myofibrillar Hypertrophy, which is what you are looking for. This will produce more myofibrils or muscle fibers and add to your muscle bulkiness and strength.
>> Anonymous
>>152600
So, with that said, NEVER lift below that 70% margin. A good way to tell is that if you can do only 12 reps before you burn out, that's right on the dot 70%. You want to stagger your exercises so that you're doing something like 70% - 12 reps, 80% - 8-10 reps, 90% 4-8 reps until you burn out.
>> Anonymous
>>152524
As a fellow skinnyfag i have to say, it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to consume anything like that amount of food without throwing the fuck up.
>> Anonymous
EAT MORE FOOD
you may think you are eating a TON. count you food for one day. i highly doubt it adds up to 3000.

are you lifting heavy in the 4 - 6 rep range, using heavy compound exercises? are you ading lbs to your barbell every workout?

EAT

MORE

FOOD
>> Anonymous
>>152603
I appreciate your description. So you should lift a weight that makes you burn out within 4-6 reps? How many sets should you do of that? Until you can't do any more?
>> Anonymous
Whats with your left pec?
>> Anonymous
Not OP but I've eaten 5 home cooked BBQ chicken legs, a banana, 2 burgers, 3 rashers of bacon, a can of beans and 4 slices of white bread so far today.

Roughly how many calories is that?
>> Anonymous
>>152639
A nice size building regime would be something like this (Lets use arms as an example):

Break the body part into subgroups. For arms we have triceps, biceps and forearms. First, I'd superset (do multiple exercises back to back, alternating between each) a bicep with another bicep exercise, then move on to a superset of two tricep exercises, then back to biceps and back to triceps, and finish off with some forearms. For each exercise, I'd do a pyramid setup where you start with 70% of your one rep max and do 12, then 80% for 8-10, then 90% for 4-8 and go until you can burn out.
When supersetting, You would do your first pyramid in one exercise, then move to the first in the second exercise, and go back and forth until you've done all six. The key is to destroy a muscle on its given workout day with high weights, and not touch it again until it's healed.
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OP only looks really fucking skinny because, like me, he has funnel chest

FUCKING THING SUCKS
>> Anonymous
>>152670
I should also mention that you need to hit decline, inclined and straight presses hard. If you're only doing a straight chest press, it's clear why you don't have definition below your pecs.
>> Anonymous
>>152670
This has been really helpful. Thanks a lot!
>> Anonymous
>>152524
How can you afford to eat like that daily?
>> Anonymous
>>152731

We have jobs you cheap motherfucker?

I sat down and did some calculations with my friend the other day to compare how much it costs for either of us to eat.

He eats extremely unhealthily and his cost to eat was $4.37 / 1000 calories. I try to eat extremely healthily and my cost was $18.67 / 1000 calories.

Shitsucks. But them's the breaks.
>> Anonymous
tuna
>> Anonymous
God damn you. I WISH this was my problem.

I am the type of person who has to eat a perfect, low-calorie diet and never stray away from it or I'll bloat up like a fucking balloon.

Fuck you and your whining. If my only fitness problem was "I have to eat more" I would be the happiest man alive.

GO EAT A PIZZA YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
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>>152848
>>152848
>>152848

dude, fucking seriously. I rage my god damn ass off at all the whiny shit heads here who cry about how they have to eat tons and tons of delicious fucking food before they can gain any weight.

If I dont follow a super strict diet of healthy food with low proportions and tons of cardio, I blow up like a fucking blimp. Tonight I am having pizza, and I fully expect it to set me back an entire weeks worth of work.

if the only problem I had was trying to decide how many fucking pizzas I wanted to eat, I would be in god damn heaven. All the skinnyfags on fit have no fucking clue about how good they have it.
>> B'gok
ASSCRACK HAIR ABSORBS SWEAT AND KEEPS SWEAT FROM GRABBING THE FECAL JUICE AND POO FROM YOUR BUNGHOLE AND SPREADING IT SO KEEP THE ASSCRACK HAIR.
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>>152858
I hear that
>> Anonymous
>>152825
i eat extremely healthy and i feed myself for under $10/day. a typical day for me includes either 2 or 3 whey shakes @300 calories ea., and either 2 or 3 meals of whole food (25g carbs, 50g protein, and a cup of veggies) so that my total # of daily meals is 5.

my whole food meals may include chicken, broccoli and rice or steak strips, mashed potatoes and brussels sprouts, or salmon, bean salad and rice, or a whole grain bread sandwich with turkey and veggies and very little fat. often i get a wrap at work for $3.00 which makes for 2 meals. any time i find i had a protein-deficient meal i add hardboiled egg whites ASAP afterwards.

the shakes are only about $1.10 apiece. they contain 50g protein, and since i use juice with them, about 25g carbs. a tub costs $40 and contains 80 'servings' (i double up for super protein) and i only use 3 oz of cheap juice ($6/2gal). so there already is 600-900 calories a day for about $3.50.

i grind my own meat when i need it ground, i buy big fat family packs of chicken and sirloin steak (best combo of price and quality, i find), lean pork chops, etc and i only use a handful of veggies per dinner. each meal, when properly portioned, contains 300-450 calories and costs 3 to 4 dollars based on what i put in it. if it's fish, it's probably gonna be more like $6.
>> Anonymous
>>152882
oh and i realize this is low-cal and not for bulkers -- i'm way overweight and cutting right now. if i added more calories it would be all in carbs, which would add maybe $3/day on to my food cost for another 1500 calories on top of my current 1800. potatoes are cheap as hell, man.
>> Anonymous
>>152848
>>152858
sucks for you, im gonna go eat large pizza with a large coke followed up with 2 bowls of ice cream and maybe a piece of pie as well and not gain a single pound.

AHAHAHA SUCK IT FATTIES
>> Anonymous
>>152858
Than don't eat pizza, lardass. Skinnyfags get called wimps and pansies for something they cannot help.
>> Anonymous
your problem is what everyone said, you need to eat more.

i have a hard timing eating a lot too, but you need to realize that your only problem is you aren't eating enough.
>> Anonymous
>>152858
i hate skinny kids too. fucking loser asshole shitstains. i had a college roommate who always ate more than me, but was about half my weight. we would order thsee huge fatty calzones and he would chow the whole thing down and i would leave like 2 slices.

anyway dude. you can eat all the pizza you want. it just needs to be on cheat day. you can't make you rbody thing it's starving or you;ll never build muscle. my cheat day is this saturday (it'll be my first one since i started dieting) and i plan to have a whey shake when i get up, and then donuts. then for lunch, a huge burrito with sour cream and cheese. then for dinner, beer and pizza. it should be a 3000-4000 calorie day. but then nothing but chickenbroccolirice for the next 8 days.
>> Anonymous
>>152902

Not eating pizza is MUCH HARDER than eating more pizza. If my problems included not eating enough ice cream, I'd be carefree and happy. Instead I have to eat bullshit oatmeal and vegetables while skinny-bitch eats everything he could possibly wants and then whines about it.

I would rather be a skinny bitch than a lardass.
>> Anonymous
>>152908

Diet advice from a guy who's been on a diet for less than a week.

Wow, what more could I ask for?
>> Anonymous
>>152524

its fucking impossible to eat that much
>> Anonymous
>>152914
skinny people are skinny because they dont have much appetite so forcing themselves to eat is as difficult as forcing yourself NOT to eat if you're fat. dont worry skinny people find fat people as much as of an enigma as fat people find skinny people when it comes to eating. stop being irrational
>> Anonymous
>>152931

It's not purely the fact that fat people have to eat LESS, they have to eat differently and less tasty food.

If a skinny person was whining because he had to eat 20 carrots, then I could sympathize with him. But no, they get to eat 20 tacos while a fat person has to eat 2 carrots. (No shitstorm about carrot-diet, this is hypothetical.)

Conclusion: Shut the fuck up and enjoy the fact that eating 10 pizzas actually IMPROVES your physique.
>> Anonymous
>>152936
if you think a skinny person forcing himself to eat more food that are high in calories when he has no appetite isnt "eating differently" then you're a moron . shut the fuck up lard ass, believe it or not that skinny person needs to eat healthy as well just like you, because if he eats greasy mcdonalds food all day he'll be just as unhealthy as any 300 pound fat ass. dumbass
>> Anonymous
>>152941

I've got a diet plan you should follow.
Eat a dick.
>> Anonymous
>>152919
well i've already lost 5 lbs, and besides all that, my personal trainer told me how to eat. i've been following his plan religiously (timing my meals every 3 hours, counting carbs and protein, maintaining vitamin intake) and i am so charged with energy it's ridiculous. and i've ALREADY LOST FIVE POUNDS. IN FIVE DAYS.

the diet is a 'cutting' diet for lifters. it goes like this:
- 1g protein per day per lb of body weight.
- 1/2g carbs per day per lb of body weight.
split intake evenly into 4-6 meals evenly timed over the course of the day. example: i woke up at 9 am, had a shake. half a burrito with no cheese and no sour cream, loaded with salsa and chicken breast at noon, and another shake at 3. at 6 i will have chicken with broccoli and rice. at 9, another ChixBrocRice, and if i am up 'till midnight, i'll have half a shake so that i don't fast all night.

make sure to have healthy green veggies twice a day.

limit fat intake with extreme prejudice. this does NOT mean only one pad of butter. it means NO butter, NO excess oil, trim fat off meat, no fatty breads or crackers, etc. only trace amounts of fat.
>> Anonymous
>>152945
sucks you got no rebuttal there bitch because you know im right. fat ass
>> Anonymous
>>152936
you forget skinny people hate eating.

so its kind of equal
>> Anonymous
>>152950
>limit fat intake with extreme prejudice. this does NOT mean only one pad of butter. it means NO butter, NO excess oil, trim fat off meat, no fatty breads or crackers, etc. only trace amounts of fat.

And that's where your diet falls flat on its face. Moderate amounts of (essential) fat have been CLINICALLY PROVEN to improve you across the board. This includes fat loss. If you're having an easy time now, getting your daily requirement of EFAs (essential fatty acids) will make your progress seem amazing.
>> Anonymous
18
98lbs

Fuck you you lucky shit OP
>> Anonymous
Let's take a look at the kinesiologist's post thar'.

Hmm, he said to eat some double cheese burgers, bear claws, snickers, fries, 7up.

Sounds like a lot better food than vegetables and brown rice and shitty oatmeal.

Sure, if these guys ate only McDonalds and shit they've be unhealthy, but they STILL eat more delicious food than a fat guy can when dieting.

Point is, you're wrong.

Having to eat more to improve looks > having to eat less to improve looks.
>> Anonymous
>>152614

You gradually increase what you eat per day, you dont just go from two sandwiches and a glass of milk a day to eating fucking everything.

I did this with success and gained a solid 40lbs over time. You'll notice once you stop eating so much that it'll be very difficult to eat (and completely finish) the HUEG meals you ate when you were trying to gain.
>> Anonymous
>>152614
BAWWWW
>> Anonymous
>>152956

Skinny people do not hate eating. I have a friend who weights like 110 pounds, skinny as hell, and eats crave cases and taco bell and all kinds of shit. More than me. And yet stays the same weight.

"LOL skinny people cant stand eating"

That's bullshit.
>> Anonymous
>>152960

Its not really his matter of luck, its your matter of HORRIBLE luck.
>> Anonymous
when you are bulking you cant eat fucking pizza nd ice cream or esle you will end up looking like the fatfags who whine about skinny kids.

you have to eat veggies oatmeal lean protein all teh SAME SHIT that people who are losing weight eat. JUST 4 TIMES AS MUCH.

I am doing this RIGHT now 130 - 180 so far, and have kept fat gain minimal. if i just ate ice cream and pizza i would be a FAT SACK OF SHIT LIKE YOU
>> Anonymous
>>152960
man how tall are you?
>> Anonymous
>>152964
seconded, also note that certain foods have more calories and are more filling.

Whole milk
Peanut butter
whole wheat pasta
ground beef
steak
whole eggs
olive oil straight from the bottle
>> Anonymous
>>152970

Lol, yes, because everyone who argues against you is a fat fuck.

Just because I have to eat healthy to lose weight doesn't mean I'm fat. In fact, I'm in great shape.

However, I usually leave every meal still feeling hungry and unsatisfied. And then I watch my skinny friends stuff their faces with burgers and tacos and don't gain a single pound. If I were to have that burger, I would bloat up into a fat guy. I would love to eat 4 times as much as I do now in order to reach my ideal weight. Even if I had to just eat 4 times as much healthy food, I would STILL be in heaven.
>> Anonymous
>>152979
overweight people often underestimate the amount of calories they consume by up to 800.

underweight people do the opposite
>> Anonymous
Skinny people are skinny because they were skinny as children. This is where i have concluded. I too have skinny friends that eat shit all the time and don't excersise, and they were skinny and ACTIVE as children too.

I also have FIT friends who excersise and don't eat shit and actually have muscle mass and athletic abilities.

Fuck your emo stereotypes, a fit person with an athletic body outfucks any skinny fag you can come up with.

And as a last note, most skinny people i know have extremely irregular eating patterns. My best friend can eat 3 pizzas and 5 kebabs in one day and then eat nothing for 2 days after. I don't care if you think looking 10 years old is sexy, it's unhealthy.
>> Anonymous
shit, if you can eat more than 3500 kcal a day and do not gain weight rapidly your metabolism is somehow fucked up.

i eat around 2500 kcal on days without training and 700-1000 more on training days. works pretty good for me.
>> Anonymous
>>152993

I was quite an active kid. In fact, for half of elementary school I was the fastest kid on the playground. Now I can't eat a donut or I get puffy.

Your theory seems sketchy, at best.
>> Anonymous
>>152993
true, the body only creates new fat cells before puberty, after then you can only overfill the ones you have if you trying to bulk or get loads of withered ones if you are trying to lose loads of weight (and so it will be easier for you to put on weight in that case,)
>> Anonymous
Skinnyfag here. The only answer is to eat more. You could use those weight gaining powders, but I prefer a more orthodox approach. You'd be surprised how hungry you will be after not eating for two hours. Keep eating until you are at the brink of throwing up every two hours for a few days, and your metabolism should speed up even faster than it is now, which will make your body anticipate the meals every two hours.

tl;dr
How to gain weight? Eat more.
It's not working. Eat MOAR.

End of story. Unless you are have tapeworms or some shit.

Regarding metabolism slowing, I suppose it'll be a while, since you're only 18. But it depends on the person I suppose.
>> Anonymous
>>153038
So my theory is correct and i'm an e-genius?
>> Anonymous
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Kinesiologist here...

>>152603

Utter nonsense I'm afraid. Hypertrophy is caused by a myriad of factors, NOT just what rep range you train through, and each rep range can cause a series of significant alterations and metabolic responses - NOT just making this or that grow bigger.

If you want big muscles beyond a certain point, you will HAVE to train with 20 reps at one point or another to ensure sufficient capillerization and mitochondrial proliferation. Larger muscle mass cannot be sustained without these.

For more, see: http://www.themedicalhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=311

>>152670
You are doing it wrong.

>>152675
Due to the all-or-nothing reaction of muscular energetics, it is impractical to target "part" of a muscle. Either the entire muscle is used or it is not. You cannot create definition in one part of a muscle over another part by changing exercises. This is a very popular myth.

>>152958
100% correct
>> Anonymous
Asshairfag here. I shave that shit down with an hair clipper.
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>>152970
>>you have to eat veggies oatmeal lean protein all teh SAME SHIT that people who are losing weight eat. JUST 4 TIMES AS MUCH.

? Sir, get off the internet.

Due to negative calories, an entire bowl of salad along with 3 bowls of oatmeal wont bring you over 500 calories, and you've got 4 more meals go to after that to reach 4,000 or 5,000 calories. You need the fruit and vegetables due to the conjugated vitamins, bioflavonoids, phytochemicals and plenty of other things you cant get from a multivitamin. The idea of "eating clean" to bulk is a myth, as no one's stomach is big enough to hold the 10 salads, 20 lean chicken breasts, and 50 tofu cakes it would take to equal the same calories as 2 or 3 cheese burgers.

Further, its not the TYPES OF FOODS that make you fat - its the EXCESS OF CALORIES FROM FOODS. If you're working out, a small excess is converted to muscle. A large excess is converted to fat. The key is to aim for just a LITTLE higher than you actually need.

See http://www.themedicalhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=300 for how to do this.
>> Anonymous
>>153058
tl;dr, calorific density, go eat some peanut butter.