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I'm not an expert concerning nutrition but I've been thinking about something. If I have to eat 2000 calories in a day, can't I just eat enough ice cream that would be worth 2000 calories? It would be exactly the same. pic is not me.
>> Anonymous
ice cream is mainly sugar and some fat.
The sugar will be burnt in half an hour and stored as fat.
The fat will be stored as fat.
This is a good idea to get fat fast.
You'd also be hungry again fast, since your bowels won't have anything to work on.
>> Anonymous
No, because Ice Cream is nothing but fat and sugar, with only a little bit of protein from the milk.

Nutrition isn't governed by calories.
>> Anonymous
yes, you can. you'd have like 1 cup of ice cream a day. and be pretty fucking hungry. but you'd get your days worth of calories from it, and not get any of the nutrients you actually need to be healthy
>> Kanader
30% protein
25% fat
45% carbohydrates

Get all your vitamins and minerals.

Any ice cream meeting this standard will taste like shit.
>> Anonymous
This is not exactly related to the matter and I'm not OP but I thought I'd ask it here. Is it okay to eat ice cream once in a while? I haven't eaten ice cream in 2 months already since I started to work out
>> Anonymous
>>128986

There is really no point unless you are bulking.
>> Anonymous
>>128975
Haha
>> Anonymous
>>128988
I'm a scrawny fag so yeah that's what I've been trying to do.
>> Anonymous
>>128994

Then yeah sure, why the fuck not.

It would be better for you to eat two huge steaks with a gallon of milk, though.
>> Anonymous
>>128962

how can something be burnt and then stored ?
Dont you mean by burnt it is used ?
>> Anonymous
>>129000

He meant absorbed.
>> Kanader
>>128986
Avoiding certain foods is a sign of an eating disorder. Welcome to life outside of Ethiopia; don't go overboard.
>> Anonymous
>>129011
Do I have an eating disorder if I avoid eating at McDonalds? You're fucking retarded.
>> figfag
>>128962
>>128967
These guys are right. Besides, that "2000 cal" thing is a fucked up average meant to cover all people. if your 6' 5" 250lbs you burn 2000 cals by walking around in a normal day.

>>129011
oh, and this guy is a damned moron. or at least the person who told him that shit is.
>> Kanader
>>129023
If you were convinced that you could never, ever, have a cheeseburger without risking becoming a fat pig, then yes, you would have a disorder.
>> Ziggy
smells like a troll to me guys....>>129035
>> Anonymous
>>129035
>>129023
Troll'd
>> Anonymous
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calories are bullshit, just saying that right now

dont even look at the calorie thing unless its been a long day and you dont wanna load up on 500+ calories before bed.
Look at the Total Fat,Saturated Fat, Sodium, and Sugar.My Fat rule is: If the fat percentage is below 10% for a snack(granola bar) and below 25% for a meal (aka chicken breast) then its good to go. Also make sure that the Saturated Fat number is LOWER than the Total Fat(ex.
Total Fat: 5g 10%
Saturated Fat: 2g 7%)
stuff like that, cuz saturated fat...shit sucks.

also, i treat sugar as fat, so try to go sugar free on EVERYTHING. Sodium is just bad for various reasons.

Carbohydrates are the fuel for the fat burning furnace, I really wouldn't worry about how much carbs you are eating unless you are trying to lose ALOT of weight.
>> Anonymous
>>129035

It's not a fucked up average, it truly is the requirement that your vital organs and functions need to continue working properly.

But I know what you're saying. It doesn't take into account weight maintenance in regards to fat and muscle. The whole point of the 2,000 calorie system is that is what your body uses as energy doing no or very little exercise...it's just what you consume throughout the day to keep all your involuntary functions working and doing little things like leg fidgeting, writing, etc.

More muscle and/or fat requires more calories to maintain. It's just that these are not truly vital parts of your body to remain alive, which is why they're always the first to go during a calorie deficit. Your body will burn anything non-vital to keep maintaining your organs and bodily systems. Generally, your organs and such do not consume more calories based on height or body size, that's why the 2,000 calorie average remains solid. But, yes, if you're an athlete or aiming to maintain a certain weight, you'll need to consume more.
>> Anonymous
>>129116

Sodium is an extremely important part of a human's diet. You'll die without it. Yeah, don't dump a tablespoon of salt on every meal, but you're just hurting yourself more by going out of your way to avoid sodium.
>> Anonymous
>>129116

Your system is crappy. If a food has anything above 0g of trans fat, avoid it like the plague. This also applies to anything that doesn't have trans fat listed but has "hydrogenated" anywhere in the ingredients list. As for saturated fats, they're only acceptable if there are mono- or poly- unsaturated fats in the food, too.

Also, the body needs a certain amount of fat. I've found that the % daily values on food labels are pretty close to the ideal, so if you ain't counting calories just try to make all your food for the day add up to 100% (obviously, this is done by simply adding up the percents).

Finally, carbs are indeed fuel. But how the hell are you supposed to lose weight if you are supplying ALL of your energy needs through your carb intake? You've got to count 'em and know you're in at least a slight deficit.
>> Anonymous
>>129157

I agree with the trans fat part, but everything else you said is debatable.

Yes, your body needs fat. That doesn't mean you need to consume actual fat. It means you need a certain level of stored fat to help regulate body heat and provide a disposable source of energy in emergencies. For example, it's disqualifying for a lot of military jobs to be under 8% body fat, mostly serving in the Marines or Navy, because anything less than 8% body fat well just get you fucked up in extreme ocean environments. But this doesn't mean they tell all their servicemembers to go out and purposely eat lard.

Fat is just a double source of calories. Where protein and carbs have four calories per gram, fat has nine calories per gram. If you eat no or little fat in your meals, but make up for it in protein and carbs, you're fine. Likewise, fat is not immediately going to make you gain weight because it has more calories, it's just advisable to avoid it because you could make a much larger, wholesome meal with fewer calories if you cut out fats and focus on carbs and proteins, thus keeping you full longer. If you ate the same size meal that was composed mostly of fats, you'd be taking in too many calories that would be hard to burn off unless you're extremely active. I would have trouble burning that off, because I'm only exercise when I can and I'm not an athlete.

And, yeah, saturated fats are bad for your heart, but they're still fine in small amounts. Trans fats are just not natural and are literally toxic to humans. Unsaturated fats, while heart healthy, still pack the same calories as any other type of fat, so it's hardly advisable to be eating fistfuls of pecans or massive spoonfuls of peanut butter if you're concerned with your waistline.
>> Anonymous
>>129164

Your body *needs* certain types of fat to survive -- the so called EFAs. These are fats that your body cannot synthesize on its own. It also needs other types of fats, but it can make those on its own.

Also, research is suggesting that if you want your body to burn fat more readily, you must eat enough of it; if it is getting plenty for its needs, it won't bother synthesizing it from your carbs and proteins and it will consume your body stores of fat without putting up so much fuss.

Some are even suggesting that switching to a full on or near ketosis state is closer to our biomechanical norms -- we evolved on high protein, high fat diets up until the advent of agriculture. While this is debatable, the more reasonable center that the body benefits *greatly* from a substantial amount (20-30% of your macro nutrients) of fat is much less so.
>> Moonmauler !!LgNbdvCFAuN
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>>129164
>If you eat no or little fat in your meals, but make up for it in protein and carbs, you're fine.

Oh dear. Please, for the love of god get out of the 90s.

http://www.t-nation.com/article/diet_and_nutrition/the_fword&cr=dietAndNutrition
There's a great article. But the fact is, is that fat is JUST AS IMPORTANT for you to eat as carbs and protein. Taking in very small to no amounts of dietary fat is only shooting yourself in the foot.
>> Anonymous
Testosterone Nation - because why listen to medical professionals when there's an UNDERGROUND!?
>> Anonymous
>>129198

Sorry to rain on your parade, but medical professionals say the same thing.
>> Moonmauler !!LgNbdvCFAuN
>>129198
The guy who wrote the article has a masters in Exercise Science and a doctorate in nutrition.
>> Anonymous
>>129164>>129164

I lost almost 50 pounds eating predominantly peanut butter (no jelly) sandwiches and skim milk, And the best part is that fat makes you feal full and satisfied quicker. Even better, a diet high in monosaturated fats (IE nuts, legumes, peanut butter, certain vegatable oils) and low in saturated fats, and simple carbohydrates is much better for your heart then a diet that is only low in fats.
>> Anonymous
I watched a show once, like a british version of mythbusters with more explosions, and a woman ate nothing but ice cream for 3 days and she lost about a pound a day maybe two?
>> Anonymous
>>129224

To be fair, you can lose weight by doing just about anything so long as you have a calorie deficit. The benefit of eating enough fats is that you burn more fat while exercising, and muscle is preserved.