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So /fit/,
What's so bad about weight machines? I'm just getting into the weights stuff seriously so I cant yet lift maximum on them. So what are the benefits of free weights over the machines? I plan to move on to free weights after I lift maximum on th machines... unless this thread advises me otherwise
>> Anonymous
It only works the major muscle for the exercise. Free weights will use a lot of other muscles to stabilize..
>> Anonymous
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/keats1.htm

Don't be a fag. Use free weights.
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free weights it is then
>> Anonymous
http://tinyurl.com/3mb6hl


;-)
>> Anonymous
FREE W8S
>> Anonymous
pulldown machine that uses cable like that isnt that bad though.
>> Anonymous
Like to see you do a lat pulldown with free weights faggots. What are you going to do, hang by your ankles and use a barbell?

I've seen some shit in my time, but the general crap in /fit/ is massive stinky shit indeed.
>> Anonymous
>>149992

this. Rippetoe's intro to Starting Strength also has a good explanation why free weights are ideal. He says machines basically limit your movement, whereas free weights utilize all the muscles you would doing activities irl. Your body is designed to move in a certain way, so you're best off training it that way.
>> Anonymous
>>150033
are you kidding me LOL

this has gottta be a troll
FUCKING PULLUPS
>> Anonymous
>>150033

Pullups with a weight belt. Attach extra weight to belt. Problem solved.

Although most people here can't probably even do 5 wide arm pullups with just their body weight alone.
>> Anonymous
The only machine i use is the cable rowing machine, when i can't get to a barbell, and the cable machine to do skull crushers.
>> Anonymous
>>149996

give you some of my persona experiences:

I worked up to 275 on a machine. (and it was a GOOD machine. Power-tec leverage press.)
I could only do 185 on a barbell.

There definitely is a difference; i can give you my money-back guarantee on that.
>> Anonymous
only time I make exceptions for machines are for puling exercises, because then, the whole thing with the stabilizer muscles doesn't really come into play either way.
>> Anonymous
>>149991

Honestly, there isn't a damn thing wrong with cable weights at all. You've got to get a good mix of both cable and free weights. Both are good, none is bad.
>> Anonymous
>>150359
If you are pulling on a fixed plane then it will be easier on stability than using free weights.
>> Anonymous
>>150366
Well, then do an experiment. Try a normal bench press, then one on a machine, enormous difference, right? Same goes for military press.

Now try a lat pull down and a pull-up. Feels almost exactly the same.
>> Anonymous
>Now try a lat pull down and a pull-up. Feels almost exactly the same.

Really? There's plenty of guys who workout who can pulldown more than their bodyweight but struggle to get even one pullup.
>> Anonymous
You fucking elitist faggots of fagville! If you're just starting out at a gym and you don't have a trainer/work out fag-buddy, then use machines! Machines are fine, they're a hell of a lot better than nothing. Fags...............

After you've become a bit stronger and more confortable at the gym, slowly transition to freeweights. There's no need to rush the process --do whatever is comfortable.


I listen to Shiina Ringo when i exercise. SOmeday I will be a special agent in the FBI and my focus will be on counter-terrorism. Okay?
>> Anonymous
>>150415

We all hope you are captured by terrorists, beheaded, and then the video is uploaded for us to laugh at.
>> Anonymous
>>150419


NO, fuck you! I have the high ground,, faggot --you cannot win
>> Anonymous
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Did someone say "high ground"?
>> JESUS
>>150427
I can fly lol
>> Anonymous
>>150415

I fucked Shena Ringo about 3 years ago. I'm not joking.
>> Anonymous
>>150359

>the whole thing with the stabilizer muscles doesn't really come into play

bent over rows?
>> Anonymous
>>150436

I'd like to hear the full story behind that. I don't even care if it's made up.
>> Anonymous
as long as the bar you are holding isn't fixed (example is a bar connected to a cable instead of a frame) the stabilizer muscles are still being stimulated.

and even on a bench or any other exercise, if you use dumbells you use more stabilizers than with a barbell.
>> Anonymous
>>150454

bump.
>> Anonymous
if you really really need to work on a specific muscle or if you feel you need a more *exact* amount of resistance then machines are good
>> Anonymous
Don't use machines.

It doesn't matter if you're just starting out. Start out with the bar and nothing else, and get to work on freeweights.

Machines are a waste of fucking time when you have the oppertunity to use freeweights.
>> Anonymous
>>150374
this poster just gave themselves away as terrible out of shape and knowing nothing about weights.

latpulldown is NOT the same as a pullup.

you can lean back in a lat pulldown and use your lower back more. you cannot in a pullup. pullups are harder
>> Anonymous
>>150415
theres nothing elitist about doing things properly, and wanting people to be more efficient and effective in the gym.

the reason people dont use freeweights is because they are afraid.
>> Anonymous
pull down machines ARE free wieghts. Fuck all the dumbfags in here.
>> Anonymous
>>150679
I've been lifting for around ten years, and I suppose if you're going to cheat yourself, yeah, lat pulldowns can be way different. The way I've learned to do pulldowns simulates a pullup, and feels very similar.

And if you use your lower back in a pulldown... You're doing it so very wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>150691
no, they are cable stacks, which are okay when used properly. you can use them for low rows and face pulls.
do pullups instead of pulldowns though
>> Anonymous
>>150694
then why the fuck wouldn't you just do a pullup? or are you too weak to do 12 pullups in a row
>> Anonymous
>>150697

Not the person you quoted, but I am too weak to do even one pullup so I'm doing pull downs until I can pull down my body weight.
>> Anonymous
>>150706


Again, go use a pull-up bar or pull up assistance machine.

Just hold onto the bar, jump to the top and let yourself down as slow as possible. Keep doing these negatives until you can manage a pull-up. You don't need to touch a pull-down bar ever.
>> sage
pulldowns with more than bw suck
it's a bitch to grab the bar and then get your legs under the pads
just do pull ups
>> Anonymous
Cables are ok (like the one in pic)

smith machines, chest presses with machine , leg press machines all suck
>> Anonymous
>>150713
sometimes ill use the seated and standing calf machines.

and since my gym has no glute ham raise i use the lying leg curl machine too
>> Anonymous
>>150697
only reason I had ever used lat pulldowns was so I could exceed my own weight (no weight belts available at the time), or do pyramids (look it up). Kinda pointless to stick with pullups alone when you can do 20 in a row.
>> Anonymous
>>150725
put a db between your thighs, i have been doing this
>> Anonymous
>>150725

Or you could stick a rucksack on your chest/back and fill it with plates.

IMPROVISE NIGGAH!!
>> Anonymous
Free w8s ftw. But, form is important. Use correct form.
>> sage
>>150725
it would be a good time to start working for a one armed chinup
>> Anonymous
>>150773
oac's take insane strength.

you need to be able to do a chinup with almost your bodyweight extra
>> Anonymous
>>150773
>>150746
>>150727
lol yous guys, I was using past tense, I haven't touched a lat pulldown in a couple years.

All your suggestions still don't allow for pyramids/reverse pyramids (which require a decreasing amount of weight, great for hypertrophy, which is what I was working on back then), though.
>> Anonymous
>>150436

Am I the only one even remotely interested in a story involving a japanese celebrity allegedly being fucked by one of your own?