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My nutrition teacher was saying last class that protein supps are useless and you end up just pissing them out. Does anyone have a reputable study that shows drinking whey right after workout benefits than if not taking it at all?
>> Anonymous
Well i haven't done any research on it, but if i forget to take my protein on a workout day i am sore as hell the next day(usually fine if i take my protein)
>> Anonymous
look up the 'window of opportunity' add weight lifting in the search window, too. Problem solved.
>> Anonymous
Your teacher is a fucking idiot.

First year Nutro-Sci major (inb4 hurr durr Freshmen) and one of the first things we learned is that Protein is 4 kcal/gram. Or 4 Calories as it will say on any label. However, that's after consumption and digestion. To begin with it was actually 4.8-ish I believe, or a higher number but that's unimportant.

What is important is that the reason the caloric value per gram drops is because you piss some of it away and you burn some of it breaking it down and digesting it. You lose a very small portion to pissing.

You still get 4 Calories (kcal) or energy per gram, just like Carbs, regardless.
>> Anonymous
maybe if you take 100g at a time, but i dont see how 25g would just pass through you. whey is not a chemical, it's a natural food product like cheese or milk.
>> Anonymous
>>333377
His argument wasn't about cals. He was saying basically we get enough protein in our diets anyway, and people taking protein supplements are wasting there money. I checked online for a controlled study (giving athletes protein after working out vs giving them a placebo) but I cant find any.
>> Anonymous
>>333424

It's recommended to take 1-1.5x (sometimes even 2x depending) grams of protien for every pound you weigh for muscle growth and recover, unless you eat massive amounts of chicken all day every day it's not likely that you will reach that number.
>> Anonymous
>>333431
Yes I know, I'm eating about half a dozen whole eggs a day and seeing great results once I up'd my protein intake. He isn't a weight trainer though, hes a cross country teacher. So when he said "all you guys weight training out there and buying protein supplements are wasting your money, you end up just pissing it out" I was like :-/
>> Anonymous !ErY2TknG0w
Whey is only effective post-workout when your body will use it effectively. All the suckers who drink the stuff all day probably are pissing most of it out.

There was a study done on whey vs milk. The subjects gained more lean mass on the milk because of its mixture of whey and caseins which gives a prolonged supply of protein to your body.

>>333431
1g per lb of lean mass is more than enough.
>> Anonymous
>>333437

One thing I learned early in my /fit/ness life, was to consider the source of whatever information I was taking in. Because there's so much conflicting bullshit out there, this is very important.

As a cross-country teacher, he knows how to shape and mold cross-country athletes. Do you want to look like the atypical cross-country runner? Be able to run 20 miles with ease, but have little muscle mass on your body?

It's really about what your goals are, so if you want to be super runner man then by all means. But if you want to have a bit of strength to go with your stamina, incorporate some strength training into your regimen and take a protien supplement to hold onto the muscle that you are building.
>> Anonymous
>>333450

Not according to the bodybuilders and weightlifters doing this shit before you were born
>> Anonymous !ErY2TknG0w
>>333465Not for steroid users.
Uhhuh

There are very, very few guys here that are big enough to need more.
>> Anonymous !ErY2TknG0w
>>333465
And also not according to all the people on sponsorships with supplement companies, amirite? If you've got the cash, then go for it, better to err on the side of too much i guess.
>> Anonymous
>>333374
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine/windowofopportunity.htm

It's a good read
>> Anonymous
well, according to the observations i have made, with my own body, over the course of a year, I have noticed I can consume 50g of protein per two hour period without a significant change in opacity of my urine-- it being slightly less than clear.

then again, i also consume >150g of carbs and may still cut, which i hear many people have trouble doing, so i have a feeling my body's ability is not average.

But i imagine you should test to see if your own body does absorb protein and how much it can. it's not quick or generalized... but it is most correct methodology i believe.
>> Anonymous
Okay i have a question.

What's the best carb's to eat post-workout to increase production of anabolic hormones and thwart gluconeogenesis; thus maintaining a more positive nitrogen balance?
>> Anonymous
I wouldn't think he's right...I always looked upon protein shakes and stuff pretty much the same as eating a piece of chicken.
>> Anonymous
>>333560
straight up sugar.
>> Anonymous
glucose polymers.

consider what isomer of c6h12o6 is used in respiration most efficiently. glucose right? so chains of glucose.
>> Anonymous
your nutrition teacher is an idiot. the only thing pissed out from excess protein consumption is nitrogen. So long as you drink plenty of water, this is not a problem
>> Anonymous
arguably, in the abscence of proper post workout nutrition, in the preferable ratio of 3fastcarbs:1fast protein
(i alt between high molecular weight waxy maize/Glucose and whey hydrolosate)

chocolate milk would be good.

its silly you all have a hard on for PROTEIN pwo, its about the INSULIN, and WHEY, in a non predigested form aint going to do it for you. YES it will count towards your 1g per lb bw, but thats it.

lrn2Transport

also, Beradi wrote great stuff on this, (as did Lowery, Poliquin, etc)