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I really want to start with some martial arts. I want something that gives me a hard physical training. The martial arts I can choose between is:

Jiujitsu
Karate
Aikido
Krav Maga

Which of these has most physical training?

I heard aikido has much trainig and it seems kinda awesome. It is true about the training?
>> Anonymous
Look god fucking damn it. It depends on the dojo. That is like saying "I heard sex is awesome" and then getting sodomized. You have to go and see these places for yourself to see what they do. Jujitsu and aikido are similar, karate is just a striking art and is primarily bullshit in ths USA, and krav maga I am not sure about in USA. The system itself is pretty solid for dirty tricks but could easily be misused on a teenager leading you to go to prison (I would laff). I have taken aikido, it's a defensive art in which you use an opponent's momentum and redirect it, it isn't offensive. Don't choose a martial art for what exercises they may or may not do, that is fucking dumb.
>> Anonymous
>>107257

>>Don't choose a martial art for what exercises they may or may not do, that is fucking dumb.

Why is that fucking stupid? I want to get some exercise in a way that relates to my interests and seems fun. I don't like the gym since it's doing the same thing all over again.
>> Anonymous
there are a few forms of karate with few mcdojos... and at least one form with no mcdojos (that one form is slipping my mind ATM, but you probably wouldn't find it because there are only about 10 of them in the US, 1 in Japan, and none elsewhere)

krav maga is typically taught in a very mental way... idunno.

do single trial classes at a lot of places... what you see is what you can expect
>> Anonymous
>>107263
it isn't dumb.... knowing how to defend, but being unable is just stupid
>> Anonymous
>>107243
are we talking bjj or real jujitsu? karate, at least goju ryu, is primarily striking but does have other aspects to it. it is good for physical conditioning, but as has been stated it depends on the dojo. the only aikido i have been exposed to has been taught in conjunction with judo and nihon jujitsu, since judo and aiki stem from jujitsu. it's okay for conditioning, but getting thrown repeatedly can be injurious.
>> Anonymous
>>107263
>>107270

Listen mother fuckers. GPP (general physical preparation) and SPP (sport specific physical preparation) are different. SPP is what makes you able, SPP is doing the movements, performing the techniques, doing the throws. GPP isn't going to make you able. Doing fucking pushups isn't going to help you find the groove to throw a bitch or develop your punch, fucking throwing and punching will.
>> Anonymous
I do karate and jiu jitsu, and here's what I get:

Jiu Jitsu is a great workout, cardio wise, and it also strengthens your core quite a bit. I don't know about aikido, but I imagine it has more than krav maga (I've done a couple seminars on krav maga, but I'm no expert).

As for karate, it depends on what style and where you train. Mine is traditional goju ryu, so there are many low stances which work your legs, but overall it's only a moderate workout. You'd be better off just running for half an hour.

Jiu Jitsu is also more practical and fun than karate, so you'd be more likely to stick with it (in general).
>> Anonymous
If you want physical conditioning look no further than your local rec center boxing program.
>> Anonymous
>I heard aikido has much trainig and it seems kinda awesome. It is true about the training?

You spend most of your time picking yourself off the mat after somebody puts you there. It can be fairly intense if you have a dojo where people work really hard. (Read Angry White Pajamas about a guy who takes the accelerated course for the Tokyo riot squad if you want to know how tough it *can* get in the right setting.)

107257 has it though; it's very dojo dependent. If you get a real hippie of a instructor it's going to be pretty lame effort wise. Hell; Tai-chi can be a hell of a workout if you do it with really deep stances. If that's all you really want though you might be better served with Tae-bo or something similar that's designed specifically as exercise.

>it isn't dumb.... knowing how to defend, but being unable is just stupid

Repeat after me: Not all martial arts are about fighting. Some are cultural arts, some are purely competitive practices, some are sports. VERY few have ANYTHING to do with actual street-type-fighting. Fewer still actually are in any way useful for it; and if you're honest for all the time people worry about that shit spending 2-3 hours a week training for something you'll probably never do is a waste of time. The OP at least has a VALID reason. That's more then I can say for some of these twits and their 27 ninja fantasies.
>> Anonymous
>>107306
what flavor of jujitsu?
>> Anonymous
>>107304

so how are you going to get through SPP if you have no GPP?

face it; without a fitness baseline any advanced training is going to be next to useless.
>> Anonymous
>>107316
tru dat
>> Anonymous
Op.... Aikido requires the least "hard physical training" of any martial art ever. The whole point is to use your enemy's effort against them. Jiujitsu would be better. Krav maga would be best out of those.
>> Anonymous
>>107318

For one, that is dumb. SPP doesn't have to break your balls to perform, there isn't a prerequisite on SPP (GPP wise anyway). I can throw a punch or throw a ball, I don't need to squat 300 or do 50 pushups to do either but both of SPP.

For two, your logic means that this guy would be better off not doing any MA and just staying home to GPP. Or atleast that is how it reads.

For three, balls.
>> Anonymous
Definitely not Aikido. I mean, it may be fun, but it's not even close to being a workup. I took a beginner's course that consisted of about 15 lessons and I didn't even sweat most of the time.
>> Anonymous
>>107317

I do Shorinji Kan when at school (just started), and this summer I'm doing what is espoused as BJJ, but it is more of a self defense / MMA course, so it's mostly just groundwork and submissions.
>> Anonymous
To OP:

If you want something physical demanding out of those, the only one i would pick would be Krav Maga (fucking awesome self defence aswell), or perhaps karate (kyokushin). Jijutsu would also be fairly good, it's just hard to find a good dojo.

Muay thai is fucking awesome for condtioning, and most of the places that have it are legit. Judo is another good martial art that is very cheap in most cases, and pretty fucking demanding during randori(sparring) as you can literally go FULL resistance in randori.

don't do aikido.
>> Anonymous
>>107328
>>107332
while the techniques aren't very physically intensive to perform, the act of impacting the ground and getting thrown is very hard on the body. it really depends on how hard you train/how hard who train with you train
>> Anonymous
>>107333
fantastic, can you confirm or deny my suspicion that bjj is not very much like nihon jujitsu at all and is closer to judo newaza? i have yet to take any bjj because i am turned off by all the loud assholes who claim to be invincible because they take it and that it is superior to every other art, but i have taken nihon jujitsu and judo.
>> Anonymous
I've been taking shotokan karate for close to two years now. And I would hate it if my sensei didn't infuse other styles/moves with it. We do a lot of self-defense and grappling, so it's more than simple striking.

That said, if you're looking for what will give you the best workout, I would go with Jiujitsu. Once you get into it, you will spend a LOT of time on the mat and will be getting much more of a workout than what you get in most other styles. And more than that, there are plenty of styles that teach what to do when you're fighting while standing -- but when the fight goes to the ground, most people are clueless.
>> Anonymous
>>107474

Kyokushin isn't traditional karate
>> Anonymous
Steven Seagel is a black belt Master in Aikido. His moves are pretty cool... imagine yourself taking off 5 niggers with you just 1 hand not that hard for a yellow belt
>> Anonymous
>>107243

What styles of karate are they teaching in your area?

That will likely seal the deal here.
>> Anonymous
I've trained in Kyokushin karate for twelve years now.

I can say through retrospect and observation, without ego, that the only people I've met that are anywhere near my level of physical fitness or combative skill are the ones I met at the World Open Karate Tournament last year.

So obviously, do Kyokushin and put your whole heart into it, OP.
>> Anonymous
you should watch classes and see which has the most intense class.

It all depends how good/how intense the instructor(s) is/are. None of them are particularly more challenging than the other by nature, because you can always train hard at anything, however, a poor instructor in any will make it unchallenging and unrewarding.

-karate for 12 years