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How much cardio is too much? Anonymous
Been doing 4 days a week at the gym for a few months now, doing pretty hefty cardio as well as weight training.

I'm at the point now where I'm wanting to start packing on the actual muscle mass (I've gained some obviously) and dropped my body fat % down to a comfortable enough level that I feel I can start with the massing.

What's a good amount of time to spend on cardio?

I typically spend 15 minutes pre-lift at 6.5 speed on a small incline. I then do my lifting and finish up with another 10 minute jog and 5 minute walk for cooldown.

Is this too much for building mass? Keep in mind my job has me running around on my feet a lot all day (I put in 3-4 miles at least a day running around at work) so should I cut back to a 10 minute warmup and 10 minute cooldown? Any suggestions?

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>> Anonymous
Keep yourself fed properly before and after said cardio, or possibly during if it's that long, and then no amount of cardio is too much.
>> Anonymous
>>317851
>pretty hefty cardio
>15 minutes pre-lift at 6.5 speed on a small incline
>10 minute jog and 5 minute walk for cooldown

How the GODDAMN FUCKING SHITHOLE CUNTRAG BITCHBASTARDASS is 30 minutes of jogging "pretty hefty cardio"

HIIT is pretty hefty. Long /runs/ are hefty. Maybe a 2-hour jog is hefty. Playing soccer or basketball for an hour is really hefty.

30 minute jog and walk is pussy, not hefty.

Hefty Cinch-Sack bags are ashamed right now.
>> Anonymous
>>317950


Thank you for the wonderful support.

1. 6.5 on the mills I use is basically full sprint
2. I also run/jog around for 9 hours a day I never stop moving
3. Read between the lines, hefty cardio was in proportional reference to the amount of lifting I do (i.e. it it makes up nearly half of my workout) which is why I asked if I'm trying to bulk up that proportionally that was too much being as that I've already lowered my body fat % to a "happy" point for my own personal goals.

Dick. Remove. From your ass plzkthx.
>> Anonymous
>>317978

There's a school of thought emerging that believes that cardio does two things:

1) It burns fat and muscle.

2) It teaches your body to store fat in preparation for future cardio, and teaches your body how to use LESS fat. The latter 'learning effect' can be curbed by mixing up your routine, but the former is, this school of thought states, unavoidable. If you do cardio, you're teaching your body to keep fat.

For you, I'd go so far as to say minimal cardio -- probably what you're doing for no more than two days a week. You'd probably benefit from adding HIIT a few times a week (on your lifting offdays) as it activates the same bodily response as weight lifting -- a surge of growth hormones. It has the added benefit of not training your body to store and efficiently use fat, and it burns a significantly higher proportion of fat per calorie burned than normal cardio.
>> Anonymous
>>318000
So all runners are fat? Dude, are you listening to yourself. Cardio improves the strength of your heart. Cardiovascular training. CARDIO. VASCULAR. TRAINING. YOU ARE EXERCISING YOUR HEART SO IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION. ARE YOU A FUCKING MORON WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE BODY WORKS?

It only has adverse affects when not combined with proper nutrition. You do not eat before cardio, so your body decides that it needs a store of energy because it will come in contact with this situation again. Thus the gain in fat.

YOU DO YOUR FUCKING CARDIO BECAUSE IT'S WAY BETTER FOR YOU FITNESS WISE THEN BIG MUSCLES.

So eat your carbs before you run and the world is sunshine and daisies. You dumb stupid fuck.
>> Anonymous
>>318000
>2) It teaches your body to store fat in preparation for future cardio, and teaches your body how to use LESS fat. The latter 'learning effect' can be curbed by mixing up your routine, but the former is, this school of thought states, unavoidable. If you do cardio, you're teaching your body to keep fat.

I'm not the person you were giving advice to. Is that an advantage if you are not overweight? To teach your body to use fat in that manner I mean. Lets say there was a natural disaster and my body did that. Would that be good for me?
>> Anonymous
>>318008


Roid rage imo.

Is it that difficult to simply answer in my workouts for building mass should I do more lifting and less cardio, more cardio and less lifting, or continuing with what I do.
>> Anonymous
>>318011
If you're going to do cardio, just make sure you have a good meal with plenty of carbs. This way, the body realizes it has lots of fuel to run on and therefore there's no real "Need to store fat so I don't get fucked by this fucker running on an empty stomach" shit. It just go "WOO. HEART IS RACING, SON. LET'S GET THIS BITCH STARTED" while feasting on the delicious carbohydrates you have consumed
>> Anonymous
20 minutes cardio a day for me. No more (and I try and make that Cardio HIIT) everything else is strength and weight training.

It's shocking to me how many wrestling coaches focus on cardio.

If you want to be good at doing something for a long amount of time then by all means train cardio. If you want strength, power and explosion. Train in things that involve strength, power and explosion.

Pro-tip: Strong, powerful and explosive muscles also usually look pretty good.

Pro-tip 2: When you're training strict cardio, you only burn calories while actively engaging. When you're building strength and muscle through heavy lifting, you're burning calories for up to 8 hours after the training.
>> Anonymous
>>318009

It's not bad for you in the least, but it blatantly counters most people's goals when they're doing cardio. The only real reason to do it is to get good at long distance running. Cardiovascular fitness is achieved just as well with HIIT, as far as my knowledge of the subject tells me.

>>318008

Pull head out of ass plz. It's not a bad thing. It is simply not what most people trying to lose weight want to train their body to do.
>> Athlete anonymous
Too much cardio is when you begin experiencing joint/muscular pain that doesn't go away from too much impact stress or too much lactic acid formation. The latter increases with physical fitness. There is no such thing as too much cardio for physical mass. If anything, having a healthy cardiovascular system will make you a better/more confident weight trainer (it sure does for me).
>> Anonymous
OP Here.

I can't push my cardio much past what I'm already doing between the cardio and the way work is for me being on my feet all the time.

Reason being I have fucked up knees/elongated tendons in both my knees from sports injuries in high school so they start to kink up after too much straight cardio (another reason why I break it up)
>> Anonymous
>>318044
Don't hurt your joints. Do a different kind of cardio such as swimming or bike riding and push yourself to do so for at least an hour at high tempo.