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So, anyone have suggestions for a martial art suitable for a lean and tall person? I'd like to take a sword art but it's completely impractical in today's society. Preferably something effective?

Pic related (Hokuto Shinken > all other martial arts)
>> Anonymous
CQC
>> Anonymous
gun-do
>> Anonymous
It really doesn't matter what your body type is. Just a matter of preference.
>> Anonymous
The most practical martial arts are the ones that get the least publicity. If you want something simple and effective, look into Sambo, Krav Maga, CQC, and so forth. You won't be able to kick someone in the head or let off lightning quick jabs, but you'll be able to protect yourself in real situations. If someone pulls a knife, you know how to disarm them. Shit like that. Don't bother trying to learn to do l33t backflip kicks
>> Anonymous
I thought CQC was just in the Metal Gear series lol, never knew it was an actual fighting style. Im retarded
>> Anonymous
>>195738

I looked into that a while back and couldn't find anything on wikipedia, except the general definition of, well, any combat that is in close quarters.
>> Anonymous
>>195649
Practice ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA
>> Anonymous
any type of grappleing ie. ju jitsu
>> Anonymous
If you want effective, practice boxing or judo. But seriously, why not just take something fun? If you get good enough at it, you'll probably have the reflexes and strength to kick most people's asses.
>> Anonymous
>>195778
ATATATATATATATATATA > ORAORAORAORA
>> Anonymous
>>197163
But you'll never overcome that little voice telling you that your time could have been spent learning something better.
>> Anonymous
Muay thai, southern shaolin systems, some forms of karate, really if you have a long reach you are freaking golden as long as they don't catch your strikes and you keep a good striking distance. Does not hurt at all to learn judo either for both general throws and ground grappling in case you screw up.
>> Anonymous
>>197166

too much KOF
>> Anonymous
You mean FoTNS or JBA
>> Anonymous
Striking with emphasis on speed. Outboxing, White Crane, Shorin Ryu, Koppojutsu... depends on what you can get in your city.
>> Anonymous
Take Krav Maga, or as I like to call it, JEW JITZU. Its good for just about any body size and it will teach you practical ways to defend yourself in a REAL LIFE setting.
>> elf_man !!DdAnyoDMfCe
Also, a lot of sword/knife arts transfer well to things like canes and walking sticks.
>> Anonymous
>>195649

Russian military knife training is all you need

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG8p6AmxNac
>> lolWUT !!kczIJ2wJyBJ
Muay Thai.

If you're tall, you probably have long legs, good for Muay Thai. Lots of focus on knee strikes.
>> Anonymous
Wait a minute, some places offer Krav Maga?
>> Anonymous
MMA
>> Anonymous
>>198735
0/10
>> Anonymous
TKD, Krav Maga, Kyoukushin or Seidokan Karate
>> Anonymous
I agree with Krav Maga and Muay Thai. If you want to learn for sme crazy street shit like gun and knife defense and optional lethal self defense, go with krav maga. If you want some crazy kick and knee action go with muay thai. both awesome.
>> Anonymous
TaeKwonDo. If you like an overamericanized sport art. But that's the best among limited choices. Look around, find traditionalist and listen to what they have to say. Look beyond the "everyone's heard of ___" dojos and find ones with true history and character.

Do not take a martial arts to be a tool or a means to an end. Realize that you, your body and mind are raw metal and to be shaped and refined by whatever martial art you choose.

If you find the right school and apply yourself you might actually have potential. If you go looking for a forum in which to prove you are better then other people or win fights, you have already proved that you aren't cut out for real training.

/purist pseudo-rant
>> Anonymous
Tall may be good for striking, but tall people in submission arts are better at choking out smaller people in a variety of ways. Being big is an advantage itself.

Ignore the traditionalists. If you want something effective, take something that's been tested and has results behind it, not some mystic Oriental bullshit.
>> Anonymous
>>199304

You mean the systems of fighting that have been around for hundreds to thousands of years and have located nerve clusters and pressure points that science didn't discover until centuries later? That "mystical bullshit?" Don't open your mouth until you know what you are talking about.
>> Anonymous
>>199314
You're an idiot.
>> Anonymous
Find the rapidshare thread floating around, or go to /rs/ and search in the /fit/ board for the Kill or Get Killed .pdf file. It was a book written about all the most effective techniques used in WWII hand to hand combat.
>> Anonymous
>>199317

And you are judging something you know very little about because you have a preconceived notion of what you think it is. I'm telling you that preconceived notion is false or at the least presumptively inaccurate.
>> Anonymous
>>199314

Christianity, Islam, Greek Mythology has also been around a long time as well. Traditional MA, with a few exceptions, are like quackeries and not useful.

Show me footage of an unstaged attacker getting owned by Oriental bullshit. Chances are you won't find any at all. We have science and grounds to test it nowadays, and it's pretty funny thousands of years it's been a lie.

Not unlike religion..
>> Anonymous
>>199325

Whoa, you're the one with preconceived assumptions. What's wrong with MMA? It simply means learning all the useful MAs and using whatever is the best for situation. Go look up Bruce Lee.
>> Anonymous
Oh lord, not another martial arts argument thread. WE JUST FUCKING HAD ONE IN THAT FAGGOT AIKIDO THREAD. GODDAMNIT THIS IS /FIT/, NOT COMPARE MY DICK SIZE /MA/RTIAL ARTS.
>> Anonymous
>>199327

The masters, unlike modern "practitioners" are not in the business of marketing themselves or their arts to the world. They don't make videos of themselves showing off. They don't parade their victories about like trophies. A master, even if he had a video of such a thing wouldn't see a need to share it or show it off. You are confusing a lack of desire to share with a lack of material to share.

These are men who have dedicated their lives to training their bodies. Regardless of what superstitions or spiritual beliefs accompany these men's training, they are amazing fighters. One Chinese master, for example, would practice his eagle-claw technique by grasping the edge of the roof of his house and climbing around the entire house.

They spend their entire lives training. This isn't "mystic shit" it's the simple fact that if you spend 20-30 years dedicating yourself to improving your body, reactions, and striking ability you will be able to KILL people. The accompanying mentalities limit the desire to kill or get into fights because it's not about fighting, it's a way of life. Also, this is called Eastern Thought because it is distinct from Greek philosophy, and western religion and Islam.

Learn to think and realize that studying history may lend you insights in conversations like this. Everything is not how you think it is. The world is a large place with lots of different perspectives. You are suffering from cultural myopia.
>> Anonymous
>>199334

Bruce Lee was not an MMA practitioner. But MMA itself is not a bad thing. It's good for what it is. But it is more of a combat sport then a martial art. However, that being said, I find a lot of MMA practitioners, at least at the novice level, to be... extremely juvenile in their approach to studying, training, and fighting.
>> Anonymous
jesus, i shutter when i see MMA vs. Your MMA faggotry.

Me, untrained, with a single 2 foot long hard piece of wood could kill any single person no matter what the black belt they hold.

So here is how you win any fight, the guy comes at you, and you fucking run until you find a good piece of wood, then turn around and win. Moving away from any attacker greatly reduces the force of his blows. I could beat to death an entire football team with a crowbar. All coming at me at once. one swing = X2 fatalities. the other guys would be crying and pissing in their pants to do anything about it.

/end faggotry thread
>> Anonymous
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>>199355

I hope to everliving fuck you are a troll, I really do.
>> Anonymous
>>199340

No, you see, to make a claim we need proof. That is my major bias. And in vale tudo and mma, we've seen traditional arts as ineffective already.

Now all I'm saying is show footage of a security camera clip on youtube or whatever of someone using the Oriental bullshido against an attacker. That's all we want, is some proof.

>>199344

Bruce Lee is the grandfather of modern MMA. He did what MMA artists do today - he learned more than just Wing Chun and ventured into boxing, wrestling, etc. He developed a very modern philosophy in a time before today's MMA - to not go by tradition but to go by what is them sot effective.
>> Anonymous
If you want to go by the raw definition of the terms the martial portion of martial art points out a valid discipline on a battlefield.

Battlefields have evolved, armor has evolved and weapons have evolved. There are very few martial arts that have evolved to fit this, and as such don't fit the technical definition any more.

I'm not saying that learning them for self defense is useless or that they aren't worth respect. I just find it funny that people will say "This isn't a martial art, but this is".
>> Anonymous
>>199344

Then on the flipside, traditional MA practitioners are a bunch of fools who stick blindly to tradition in the evolving modern world, and would defend their nonsense to the death rather then being fluid and open.
>> Anonymous
>>199359
you are kidding me right? you are the troll here. I am honest. do you really think that your martial arts can do anything in the world against a crowbar? if you faced someone with a crowbar with your bare hands, you are suicidal. this begs the question, why fight in the first place? if you have to fight, fight to win. otherwise, GTFO.
>> Anonymous
>>199359

it is obviously a troll
>> Anonymous
>>199366

Then the other person runs away until he finds a crowbar. Then the first person is fucked.

Enjoy depending on finding a crowbar to fight with.
>> Anonymous
>>199367
you guys make me laugh. whatever. enjoy your MMA/BJJ my shit is better than yours muay thai vs akido nonsense. Ill bring my crowbar, you bring your fists and all of your friends.
>> Anonymous
>>199360

Absence of evidence is not absence of absence. I'm telling you that the mentality of these masters is that they go out of their way to avoid people like you who need the validity of their philosophy proven to believe in it. If I had an example, I would show you. But the purist martial artists avoid attention whoring like the bubonic plague. I find it ironic how you postulate that you say you have "seen traditional arts as ineffective already" yet you provide no examples. I would be very interested in hearing what has lead you to this conclusion, though I admit any traditional martial artist willing to fight in an MMA match, unless very, very skilled, would likely lose because MMA is a specialized combat style and the matches and fighting arenas reflect that. Traditional martists in MMA matches are at a disadvantage unless they are well rounded or highly capable.

And while part of Bruce Lee's philosophy/approach was adopted by modern MMA practitioners, a lot of it wasn't, hence Jeet Kun Do != MMA
>> Anonymous
>>199366
>>199369

>Runs away

Unprotected spine = fight is over. You're done. Also, your attention is entirely focused on what? Running away and finding a weapon. An untrained rat could find an opening and bring the fucker down.
>> Anonymous
>>199365

There's a difference between blindly adhering to tradition, and simply giving it the respect it deserves and listening to what it has to teach us.
>> Anonymous
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I sense a great amount of fail in this thread.
>> Anonymous
>>199372
this is how and why people who think that martial arts are good for self defense fail. the best martial art gets you away from the fight entirely, and encourages the use of "unfair" leverage, i.e. a crowbar, stick, car keys, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>199371

Highly specialized? Vale tudo has no rules in it.

So you have no proof? At all? On the internet? No proof at all? No proof like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EEN5RkltY&feature=related

(How effective boxing is in on the street. His posture is a boxing stance, chin down and fists in front of his face)

Not even one little clip of proof? But you basically bring the points I was trying to make.

>>Traditional martists in MMA matches are at a disadvantage unless they are well rounded or highly capable.

>>well rounded

That's the whole point of MMA. To know all and to get the most efficiency.
>> Anonymous
>>199377
Hate to bring this up but the fact that the MMA started becoming well known as a 'sport' means that there are inherent rules implied.

A lot of the traditional martial arts at a huge disadvantage are the ones which take advantage of the types of strikes which are not allowed in MMA matches.
>> Anonymous
>>199377

If Bruce Lee taught us anything it is that "the style of no style" is, in fact, its own style. We are learning that there exist variations of fighting outside of the traditional norms and concepts. But, as 4chan makes clear, having no rules in theory is different from having no rule in practice. Each fighter expresses himself differently, fights differently, and thinks differently. But just as Anonymous proves, there is no such thing as a lawless society.. There will always be socially accepted norms and behaviors. There are plenty of rules in MMA, for example not wristlocks.

There's nothing new under the sun. If you have someone highly specialize meeting someone who is a jack of all trades one of two things happens. If the highly specialized fighter has an advantage over the jack of all trades fighter, the jack loses. If it's the other way around, the specialist loses. We have far too many different styles of martial arts for any one to be "the best." Every style has advantages and disadvantages.

I am simply saying that people who blindly embrace MMA as the be-all-end-all seriously lack both personal and historical perspective.

Good at everything, best at nothing. This method has advantages and disadvantages just as the old martial arts do.
>> Anonymous
>>199381

Fucking typos. I'm not deleting that and fixing it.
>> Anonymous
>>199376

Traditional martial artists would try to avoid the fight in the first place. But if your fighting strategy involves running away and finding a weapon, you've already made a big mistake and if anyone with any serious training and common sense is fighting you, it's a fight you already lost.

Note that this is a completely different dynamic from entering a fight with a weapon in hand.
>> Anonymous
>>199381

And how is MMA best at nothing? Practitioners simply crosstrain in more than one MA, and fighting itself. And let me repeat for the third time: Vale Tudo has no rules. The only "inherent rule" is to win.

Secondly, if I invent a martial art right now, based on standing on my head and attempting hit people with my butt?
>> Anonymous
>>199388
Well for one thing they aren't going to train specifically on moves which wouldn't be used in a ring, because the proponents of MMA are those who fight in rings. Nor would they train to defend themselves from such moves.

Those very moves could very well be the ones that could make them win or lose a fight on the street.
>> Anonymous
>>199388

To be good at all things means you can excel at none. This is how the world works. Specialization breeds specific advantages and disadvantages. If you specialize in knowing lots of things, you will also specialize in a limited knowledge of lots of things. This means you, practically speaking, cannot attain the skill level of a 20-50 year practitioner in all your moves.

And your martial art may not have rules, but pretty much all others do. Try that "but mah style has no rulez" line while trying to enter an MMA tournament and see what happens. No rules does not mean so style. You will, as you train and fight, develop your own unique style. That's how fighting, that's how people work. You are not a faceless lump of clay that strikes out at people using random techniques, you are a human being.

If you cannot understand this now, nothing I can say or explain can make you 'get it.'

>Secondly, if I invent a martial art right now, based on standing on my head and attempting hit people with my butt?

Then people would knock you the fuck down. Ever heard of "bat style" kung-fu? Yeah. People are idiots. Even traditionalists can be fucking idiots.
>> Anonymous
>>199391

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Martial_Arts_Program

MCMAP.

/thread.
>> Anonymous
>>199393

Touche. I suppose that I should have specified that there will always be exceptions to rules or general statements.

Some, men, very few and far between, can be master-of-all-trades. But for a style to claim that anyone who studies it can become such a master, is positively false.

Also note, the disadvantage of applying evidence gleaned from cases studies or specific examples to things in general is that sometimes shit is just unique. If you start to base all your general observations about men or life in general off of specific instances, people, or cases your shit will have serious errors.

tl;dr - Just because you study MMA doesn't make you Bruce Lee or a Renaissance Man in martial arts.
>> Anonymous
>>199396
I was a Marine and MCMAP is garbage. I wasn't in during the days of line training, but odds are that line training would teach more.

MCMAP might prove worthwhile if a person practicing it was willing to tweak what he was learned and has been using it for years. As it stands though MCMAP is incredibly under-developed. The Marines literally change the curriculum on an almost monthly basis because it is still so rough around the edges.
>> Anonymous
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Rapejutsu.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Fatties who have taken a trial MMA class and read the wikipedia article argue with scrawny nerds who watch too many kung fu movies.
>> Anonymous
Get thee to Bullshido.net. There are intelligent answers there.

I wish painful death upon everybody who mentioned Bruce Lee in this thread. Wait, Oh shi-
>> Anonymous
>>199509
second.

also why im avoiding MA threads like the plague.
>> Anonymous
Krav Maga, Muay Thai, or Jujutsu

personally I prefer Muay Thai, because being able to actually fight and use the techniques in legal matches is a pretty good motivation for me
>> Anonymous
>>199509

Because there's no chance anyone with over 12 years of martial arts training in a variety of styles would post here. No chance at all.
>> Anonymous
Tall and lean? You might be a suitable person for Muay Thai OP.
>> Anonymous
>>200790
It's 4chan. There's probably a single guy who's practiced for 30 years, and all he does it post "SQUATZ" and tl;dr caps essays on lifting heavy because all he wants to do is troll. No one with actual experience posts here.
>> Anonymous
Mauy Thai. or Brazilian JiuJitsu

don't listen to the fags saying krav maga or ANY sort of karate.
>> Anonymous
>>199605
>Get thee to Bullshido.net. There are intelligent answers there.
>Bullshido
>intelligent

8/10. I rage'd.
>> Anonymous
>>200803

BJJ was created to give some legitimacy to fags dry humping each other
>> Anonymous
I like Bruce Lee cause he is a cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.
>> Anonymous
>>199391
Tell that to GSP, Fedor and BJ. Theire weaknesses are at the same levels as some of the best fighters strengths. It's really a cliché, but "no style" as a style is the shit. Become good at fighting. Not good at styles.