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Anonymous
ok /fit/,

i'm really into a girl who's a vegetarian. she's adamant that legume combining (lol) is adequate enough for protein needs including those needed for strength gains. is she right or do you think, like me, that vegetarianism is fucking retarded and completely useless when it comes to training and fitness?
>> Anonymous
Your body is designed to live on what ever the fuck you can put in your mouth. You can live on it but you can't gain anything good as a vegetarian.
>> Anonymous
no

soy would be better. however, nothing compares to the BV of whey.
>> Anonymous
>>301330
KILL HER RAPE HER CORPSE THEN EAT HER JUST TO SPITE HER
>> Anonymous
Yea you have to eat a shit ton of legumes and drink lots of soy protein shakes to gain muscle mass on a Vegetarian diet.

Also, the animal in the picture looks delicious. Anyway to see the delicious front side.lol
>> Anonymous
>>301330
I'd eat that girl's rump, if you know what I mean.
>> Anonymous
Standard vegetarian, or vegan? Vegan-ism is stupid, vegetarians can still do pretty well in the fitness category.
>> Anonymous
OP > ok, but she's determined to argue me on this and i want a solid rebuttal to give her without sounding like a jackass. she says she can get anything she needs even when it comes to weight lifting from shit like nuts and peas and beans, etc. but this doesn't make sense to me. tell me what to tell her. keep in mind, this is one fucking hot girl. beautiful, sweet, perfect little body. i really don't want to piss her off
>> Anonymous
>>301345
KILL HER RAPE HER THEN EAT HER FUCK MAN HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?
>> Anonymous
>>301342
vegetarian as far as i know. i wouldn't go near a fucking vegan. shit's freaky
>> Anonymous
i want about 110 lbs of op's post, that's meat that'll never go bad
>> Anonymous
pussy > meat

If she is into you, you are an idiot
>> Anonymous
>>301345
Tell her that to make significant gains you need the right kinds of protein, not just protein. Tell her you need a lot of protein and fat that you can get form being a vegan..
>> Anonymous
it takes a lot more nuts and legumes to get your protein than if you were to eat chicken/beef. or just drink whey protein. it's from milk so she can't complain.
>> Anonymous
if they combine to include all 9 essential amino acids, then yeah its adequate. but not for strength gains.
>> Anonymous
>>301357
why? i'm not fighting with her, just want a good argument to give her that's sounds sensible and informed and not some gym jock crap. she looks pretty fucking good for what i always thought vegetarians looked like i have to say
>> Anonymous
vegetarians arent going to look like a different species just because they cant load up on as much protein... they can get plenty from nuts/soy etc. just need to eat more of it. plus there are plenty of people who can't eat nuts/soy so what are they supposed to do
>> Anonymous
Sorry OP, but Vegetarians really can get all they need from non-meat products. I should know, I'm a nutrition major. If you eat enough of the things that contain the proteins, carbs, etc... that you need then you can sustain an active working out lifestyle.
If you're into her, and shes interested in you, don't argue with her.
Just tell her you actually looked it up and found out she was right, and that you didnt even realize. Then ask her what else it is good for.
She'll starting wanting you for sure.
Then when your together one night get her to suck your dick and call er out on eating meat. for an LOL.

Either that or Stick it in the POOPER!!
>> Anonymous
Tell her you need to eat a crazy amount of nuts and shit compared to one serving on meat.
>> Anonymous
Are you people idiots or something? All that matters is the amount of protein and that it has the amino acids that the body can't make itself (like soy). It's not at all hard to gain on a vegan diet. Everybody in this thread is just trying to make excuses by spouting claims that have a massive amount of research against them. I've said it before, I have not seen a single argument about vegetarianism/veganism on /fit/ started by anyone other than a meat eater responding to self-imagined attacks on their character. People who do that should think long and hard about why people that live a life which tries not to harm other living things threaten them to such a degree that they have to go on /fit/ to get ass-pats and be told they're right to keep eating meat.
>> Anonymous
>>301392
some protein is more bioavailable than other types dickwad
>> Anonymous
They make Vegetarian, Soy Based, protein shakes that allow vegetarians to gain weight and workout and stuff.

They don't have to get it all from legumes. also some vege's can still eat certain kinds of fish.
>> Anonymous
>>301395
>also some vege's can still eat certain kinds of fish.
Uh, no. If you eat fish, you're not a vegetarian.
>> Anonymous
>>301392

Did you not read this post>>301384.

Your not the only one who knows his shit home slice.
>> Anonymous
CREATINE MOTHERFUCKER, DOES SHE HAVE IT? NO SHE DOES NOT
>> Anonymous
>>301392
DID YOU EVEN READ THE FUCKING THREAD?

NO ONE SAID YOU CANT

YOU'RE A DUMB VEGAN THAT JUST GOT PREMATURELY BUTTHURT

GO SLAUGHTER SOME PLANTS ASSHOLE
>> Anonymous
>>301402
By "You people", I was not referring to everyone on /fit/. Just people who start threads lie this.
>> Anonymous
>why people that live a life which tries not to harm other living things
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING FAGGOTS
I FULLY INTEND TO ENJOY THE FACT THAT THE FOOD I EAT IS FAAAAR MORE EFFICIENT.
DO I GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE ANIMALS THAT DIED? HELL NO.
YOU HYPOCRITICAL FAGGOTS ARE EXACTLY THAT.
YOU DON'T EAT MEAT SO YOU APPEASE YOUR CONSCIENCE WHILST THERE ARE FUCKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DYING EACH YEAR FROM PREVENTABLE CAUSES.
YOU ANIMAL RIGHTS FAGGOTS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK.

/endcruisecontrol
>> Dr. Archebald W.D. Glivenmore jr., Th.P.D., M.D., Nucl.E., Certified Zoologist !jMsopuxJCE
I have no problem with vegetarians, or vegans.

However, they should consume less soy products as most manufactured fermented soy contain trivial amount of trypsin inhibitors, which if the product is consumed daily overtime, can damage your body's ability to breakdown protein.
>> Anonymous
I LOVE PLANTS

THATS WHY I LET THEM GROW INSTEAD OF CHOMPING THEM DOWN

SAVE THE PLANET
>> Anonymous
>>301411
also i might add that when you harvest crops you kill a large number of animals which live in those fields (mice, voles, various other mammals/insects etc.).

So if you want to be really eco friendly then you should just dig a hole in the ground and bury yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>301413
it also gives you man boobs
>> Anonymous
>>301384
so i should agree with her? that doesn't make sense and i don't want to blindly agree with her either. and i want to stick it in her pooper believe me. on her diet i bet that's going to smell and taste fucking sweet
>> Anonymous
LIKE NATURE? THEN YOU SURE AS FUCK BETTER EAT MEAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURAL WAY TO LIVE.

IF YOU DO NOT EAT MEAT THEN YOU FUCKING DESPISE NATURE.

ALSO, ENJOY YOUR CREATINE DEFICIENCY, VEGAFAGS.
>> Anonymous
>>301414
I LOVE ALL LIVING CREATURES!

I AM NOT SPECIEST, I DON'T JUST LOVE ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CUTE FACE.

SAVE THE WORLD, KILL YOURSELF!
>> Anonymous
>>301414
i c wut u did thar
>> Anonymous
>>301411
>YOU DON'T EAT MEAT SO YOU APPEASE YOUR CONSCIENCE
Right. And that's totally a bad thing. And besides, Being a vegan is not the only thing that I do for the world.
>> Anonymous
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>>301330
>> Anonymous
>>301425
nice
>> Anonymous
>>301425
i lol'd

fuck peta piss me off. srsly
>> Anonymous
>>301424
It is a bad thing when you deem animals of higher value than your fellow humans.
Fix the rest of the problems in the world first, then worry about the animals.
>> Anonymous
>>301425
Hahaha, niiice.

>>301429
PETA even pisses off this vegan girl I am dating,
>> Anonymous
>>301330
>round rump
heh heh hehehehehe....
>> Anonymous
>>301430
>Fix the rest of the problems in the world first
I am. That's why I'm going into biotech/nano engineering. But I definitely agree that humans are worth more than animals. I just don't think we should be eating them simply because they taste good.
>> Anonymous
>>301436
What? Humans? You're argument is stupid. Provide me with one good reason why we shouldn't eat animals if animals eat other animals.
>> Anonymous
>>301436
You're a deluded teenager who's going to end up majoring in business management because you also happen to be a moron.
>> Anonymous
>>301439
>Provide me with one good reason why we shouldn't eat animals if animals eat other animals.
Because humans should be better than animals. The thing that separates us from them is that we have the mental development necessary to differentiate between what is and what ought to be.
>Appeal to nature is a commonly seen fallacy of relevance consisting of a claim that something is good or right because it is natural
>> Anonymous
>>301441
This is the truth, deny it as you may.
>> Anonymous
>>301439
those animals should be put in prison and be lectured to by herbivorefags.
>> Anonymous
Are we not designed to consume "lesser" creatures? The fuck is the difference whether it is a cute animal or a fucking ear of corn.

And OP ----an asshole will smell like an asshole and contain shit regardless of what your fucking diet is. So I doubt it will "taste fucking sweet" O_o
>> Anonymous
>>301443
>>301441
Samefags can project their failure onto me all they want. It won't change a thing.
>> Dr. Archebald W.D. Glivenmore jr., Th.P.D., M.D., Nucl.E., Certified Zoologist !jMsopuxJCE
>>301413
Keep in mind that soybean products (as well as the legume itself) and fermented soy products contain trypsin inhibitors.

Another problem with soy products is the substance goitrogen, which is found in soybeans and fermented soy products.

Goitrogen substances can harm a function of your thyroid gland. In extreme cases this leads to goitre.
>> sasuke
It is personal choice. I don't know about the nutrition part of this, but i heard you can get a complete range of amminos by eating nuts. Not everyone becomes a vegetarian for the same reason. Is it guilt? Is it fear (of karma)? Compassion? Wanting to avoid hormones and other diseases?
>> Anonymous
>>301446
>The fuck is the difference whether it is a cute animal or a fucking ear of corn.
An ear of corn isn't sentient. Next question.
>> Anonymous
>>301442
> Because humans should be better than animals.

No, see I think that's completely wrong. It's a very conceited point of view to take. Why should we be better? Are we not animals? You're assuming that everyone is going to have the same outlook as your presumably white, liberal educated self. What about people who can't afford to eat, for geographical or other circumstantial reasons, anything other than animals? Are they not better?
>> Anonymous
>>301448
k but all you're basing this on is your own made morals
>> Anonymous
>>301454
of course not, they are savages, and should roam like their ancestors.
>> Anonymous
I just wanted to say: I'm a vegan that thinks you should eat meat.

I don't just because I don't like it. I don't have the stomach for it after 7 years without it, and I don't really care to eat it anyway.

I do miss dairy though. lactose intolerant.

so all you meat and dairy eaters, I will live vicariously through you.

I'm sick and tired of people (meat eaters and veggies alike) who think they need to push their ideals onto you. Like I said, I haven't eaten meat in about 7 years, and not once have I freaked out on someone for ordering a steak.

so, to this person:
>>301420

shut the fuck up. I hate people like you speaking out for something I belong to. Fuck animals, and fuck you.

alright I'm done
>> Anonymous
>>301453
CUTE ANIMALS ARE NOT SENTIENT EITHER YOU FUCKING RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT
>> Anonymous
>>301460
not eating it because you don't like it is fine. i don't like vegetables, and i fucking wish i could never have to eat them again.
>> Anonymous
>>301454
Sapience. That's about all.

At this point, before you take the Singer stance I'd like to point out that I actually *do* support the voluntary euthanasia of the mentally disabled, abortion etc.


>>301430here,

>>301436
I'm two years into a dual degree (BBA/Bsc) majoring in management and biochem.
>> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan
i wonder if vegetarians realise that if we hadn't domesticated certain animals for food, they'd be in the same shitty situation as every other native species is, and we'd have raped even more forest for farmland? Land clearing kills more animals than consumptionever could. Plus plant farming kills thousands of animals every year, none of which died for a delicious purpose.

Vegetarianism is fine if you just don't like meat, but framing it as an ethical choice is ludicrous. When you can build synthesised food products that are not significantly distinguishable from meat in taste, texture and nutritional value, then I will stop eating real meat.
>> Anonymous
>>301454
>What about people who can't afford to eat, for geographical or other circumstantial reasons, anything other than animals? Are they not better?
Obviously I'm not trying to say that they would be animals because of that. But poor people usually can't afford meat, it's more expensive and harder to raise than plants in every part of the world.
>Why should we be better? Are we not animals?
Says the computer user.
>as your presumably white, liberal educated self
>An ad hominem argument consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim
>> Anonymous
>>301478
pissed off vegan here telling you that after seven years all those fake meat products taste real. It just depends on how picky you are with texture and how well you can cook them.
>> Anonymous
I admit that when it comes to meat I am a selfish mother fucker. I don't give a damn about the supposed moral implications of eating another animal. It tastes good, end of argument.
>> Anonymous
>>301483
Huh, same here. I guess I've just forgotten what meat tastes like.
>> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan
>>301483

How do you know if you don't eat meat for comparison?

It might just be me, but I can feel the difference, especially in texture. It doesn't have that clingy rope shreds feel of meat, more a compressed powdery feel. I'm extremely sensitive to textures in food, for some reason, to the point where I can feel pieces of blended onion in pasta.
>> Anonymous
>>301483
watever bra' that shit tastes like garbage.
>> Anonymous
>>301496
As can I.

Not to mention it is relatively expensive. I'm not a fan of spending money that it isn't necessary for me to spend. Unistudent etc.
>> Anonymous
>>301496
>'after seven years all those fake meat products taste real'

that was me telling you that it's been a while and I probably don't even really remember what it tastes like.

>'It just depends on how picky you are with texture'
turns out you are picky with texture
>> Anonymous
>>301499
being a picky eater, like myself, is expensive in general. being a healthy eater is also expensive. but you do what you gotta.
>> Anonymous
>>301511
WOT
How is being a healthy eater expensive?
Maybe if is if you want your food to taste nice, but fuck it, if tastes halfway decent it isn't healthy enough for you.
>> Anonymous
>>301479
What? No, fuck you. It's always the same shit with you people. You think you have some moral advantage because of your privileged upbringing. I want you to tell me again - because you so conveniently skirted it the first time - what makes you better than some individual in say the third world or geographically like an eskimo who has no choice but to eat meat? Seriously. You are all the same on this. You pile out some high faluting fucking argument based around your sense of selectivily perceived moral superiority without actually dealing with the reality of life. Tell me. Tell me your solution to these situations. People should "be better". Cool. Tell me then how these people can not be "better" than you.........

Cunt.
>> Anonymous
>>301522
I cook all of my meals myself, and I do care if they taste nice. In fact I might go so far as to say that I actually enjoy eating food that's well prepared and of high quality. Is that so bad?
>> Anonymous
>>301536
There you go. I only cook what I have to.
I am the *incredibly poor* student, who has been working 35 hour weeks along with full time education since I was 15.

I enjoy well cooked, well prepared meals, hell yeah.
Can I afford them most of the time? Hell no.
So I settle for stuff that tastes like shit, but it's cheap and healthy.
>> Anonymous
>>301542
wahhhh
>> Anonymous
vegetarians/vegans are fine in every way in comparison to people who eat meat.

look at carl lewis for an example of an exceptionally fit vegetarian/vegan.

it's not fucking retarded, and you're fucking retarded if you want to write it off without a comprehensive understanding of the diet itself
>> Anonymous
>>301591
Key word brah: "exceptional".

The truth is, if you eat clean and know what the fuck you are putting into your mouth, you are going to be healthier than 90% of the population, whether you are an omnivore or herbivore.

THE PROBLEM IS that many vegetarians and vegans have absolutely no fucking idea what they are eating.

This is more of a problem than with omnivores because an omnivore diet is pretty hard to fuck up, unless you simply eat too much.

If you want to be vegetarian or vegan, that's fine, just don't pretend it's morally superior, and make sure you are getting the nutrients you need.

This goes for everyone, except omnivores or carnivores aren't so outspoken about it.