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Hey /fit/

What would be the recommended caloric intake for someone who's simultaneously building muscle and doing strenuous cardio on a daily basis? Now when I say "building muscle", I don't necessarily mean in terms of bulking. At the moment, my regular training sessions are about 5-6 days a week from 2-4 depending on which day it happens to be.

Height: 5' 7.5"
Weight: 143-148 lbs (varies during workouts)
BMI: 22.9

I'm in pretty good athletic shape, but I'm a bit confused in regards to caloric intake amount. At the moment, I'd say I usually take in about 2,000/day give or take a few hundred or so calories. With that being said, what is /fit's/ input on this?

Should I increase the amount, stay at the current level, or just do something completely different?

Picture unrelated.
>> Anonymous
Eat moar to grow.
>> Anonymous
>>170152

Any other advice besides "MOAR"?
>> Anonymous
What cardio and how long?
Some hours of serious race biking can burn 3500 cal to give you an idea.
Glutamine would a be a good idea.
>> Anonymous
>>170158

If you included that in your original question, I would have provided you with moar input.
>> Moonmauler !!LgNbdvCFAuN
>Now when I say "building muscle", I don't necessarily mean in terms of bulking

I'm confused. What do you mean exactly?
And I would say you should get at least 3500 calories a day.
>> Anonymous
>>170160

For cardio, I usually do HIIT (12-15 minutes), jogging (35 minutes for 3-4 miles), circuit training and shadow boxing (30-35 minutes). However, I usually switch up the HIIT and long distance running between opposite days, but usually do my circuit and MA training everyday.

I'd love to do some cycling, but I don't have access to a bike. There's one in the downstairs gym at my apartment complex, but the damn thing is broken and management seems like they don't intend to fix it anytime soon. And I'll look more into Glutamine, so thanks for that.
>> Anonymous
>>170166

When I said bulking, I meant it to describe building LARGE muscles. But then again, my definition of "bulking" might wrong or different. I'm just trying to build a physique that's Bruce Lee-esque, one that isn't too large but good in functional strength.
>> Anonymous
>>170171

Bruce Lee was a fucking movie star. He wasn't functionally strong and his martial arts were mostly for show. He wasn't a competitive fighter. He was in his first movie at age three and that's what his entire life revolved around until he died, all of his Jeet Kune Do BS was worthless in a real fight and he only casually competed in martial arts tournaments, many of which he lost, for publicity.

Edward Norton has a good body and has been in some fighting/violence related movies, doesn't mean his physique is functional or fit for actual fighting.
>> Anonymous
Make up your mind, building muscle and cardio don't mix well.
Do cardio if you want to lower bodyfat, otherwise eat and lift weight.
>> Anonymous
>>170198

I detect a shitstorm brewing over yonder horizon..
>> Anonymous
Cardio + functional muscle is very possible.
>> Anonymous
>>170203

Maybe. All I'm saying is that people look at him as some kind of God when he was a professional ACTOR, not a fighter. Any modern MMA fighter or even just a typical boxer or wrestler would tear Lee apart in an actual fight. He had no experience in brutally competitive fights. He was really no different than Chuck Norris (whom he actually trained) or Jackie Chan or Jet Li. They're all fucking movie stars, not badasses.
>> Anonymous
>>170198

I didn't say I wanted to BECOME the next Bruce Lee. I just used his physique as an example of what my ideal goal is. As for functional strength, I'm trying to build that up through self weight exercises: planches, pull-ups, etc. With that being said, don't turn this into a "bash Bruce Lee" thread.

>>170201

And I figured something like this would pop up. I've seen a lot of replies lately saying that you should set both cardio and weight training separate from one another. I've actually taken this into consideration and was planning on focusing primarily on cardio training for the next few months because I would be out of town, and wouldn't have access to a local gym.

Anyone else have any input in regards to separating training regiments?
>> sage
>>170198

You are a FUCKING IDIOT.
You sound like one of those pussy grapplers who thinks that all fighting revolves around rolling around on the ground rubbing cocks with some other shaven headed faggot.

Bruce Lee was introduced to Gung Fu before he had a favorite color, before he had a favorite food, before he was able to form complete sentences.

If you spend ten minutes even TRYING to understand his concepts on fighting you, if there's any hope for your lackwit dipshit concept of reality, that his theories and concepts ARE what fighting is. He was YEARS ahead of his time. Modern martial arts are STILL trying to catch up to his concepts on things like economy of motion and tailoring to body type.

Some of the most elite military squads on the planet, SAS, Delta, SeALs, and Force Recon use fighting styles that rely HEAVILY on concepts that-HE-FIRST-BROUGHT to light.

Go play your TaeKwonDo or what the fuck ever you've dabbled enough to think you're a badass and leave real martial artists the well enough alone. Speaking this bullshit in RL might get you hurt you fucking idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>170198

lol, u're dumb
>> Anonymous
>>170235

OH TEH RAEG
>> Anonymous
>>170198
hah, cause REAL fighting is all about competitions. you know, where you put on a bunch of PADS and score POINTS.

i lol'd at you
>> Anonymous
Bruce Lee wasn't nearly as cool as The Segal. He's a *real* hero.
>> Anonymous
>>170219

>Any modern MMA fighter or even just a typical boxer or wrestler would tear Lee apart in an actual fight.

In 2012, zombie Lee is gonna be after yo ass, nigra
>> Anonymous
>>170235
lrn2sage
>> Anonymous
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Lol, my thread has been completely derailed. Can I at least get some fucking help while you guys argue with one another?
>> Anonymous
>>170198
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Fights
>> Anonymous
>>170037

You can do cardio and weight training both together with fine results. What you're trying to do is produce well proportioned, lean, DENSE muscle, much like a martial artist.

The secret to having that kind of body isn't to do 'bulk' building weight exorcises, but focus on strength building. High intensity workouts where you move from cardio to weights seamlessly, so as to continue your cardio.

Don't worry about crazy numbers on your bench, get a weight that's right for you, roughly your body weight, and do many reps.

What will help you even more than just lifting though, use your -body- as a weight. Do squats, jump squats, calf raises, pushups till you die, crunches, dips, jumps, etc. etc. This will all help your muscle become lean and dense, rather than large and fluffy.

I'd suggest though, join a martial arts class. Something like Kyokushin would be perfect for you.

And yes, Bruce Lee was a badass, even if internet tool says otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>170245


If I were you... I'd bulk and THEN cardio. I'm not saying drop cardio all together... just ease off it a fair way.

Get doing weighted pull-ups... keep working up to a planche push-up (if you can do it already, add weight with a vest) and try handstand push-ups.

Eat a crapton of good food and focus on getting stronger for a few months. After those few months of strength building... bring back some of your cardio. Then find a good balance and maintain.
>> Anonymous
Try a month or two of HIT workouts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_intensity_training

Most people don't have the discipline to truly do them, including myself.

"If you don't dread your workouts, you're not doing them right" is a phrase common with the HIT community.
>> Anonymous
>>170274
if you do them as hard as you can it's still beneficial... i'm sure that when i do them i am going as hard as possible but i still can move at the end of the day so maybe i'm just a pussy
>> Anonymous
>>170171
0/10
>> Anonymous
>>170264

Ah, good sir thank you for the input. Yeah, I'm not really into Olympic style weightlifting, though I admit it's pretty impressive. I have a problem with my right shoulder at times, so it's a bit painful to lift every so often. I usually stop around 140 lbs. max, depending on what type of exercise I'm doing.

As for jumping squats and those variations of self-weight exercises, I used to take a Capoeira class for 3 years, and I've incorporated a lot of the conditioning from that into my routines. Certainly helps, because I sometimes feel like curling into a ball and dying after a workout.

Besides that, do you have any advice for how much calories I should be taking in daily? And yes, I'll always hold Bruce Lee in high regards.

>>170274

Thanks for that link, I might give it a try within the next month.
>> Anonymous
>>170239

I was referring to MMA, which is about as close to a realistic street fight as you can get in a competitive setting. Lee wouldn't last a minute with the likes of Ortiz or Lidell.

>>170235

Lee was almost exclusively a striker. That's the worst possible way to fight in a realistic setting. God, you're actually one of those weeaboo dumbfucks who believes in "converting the energy of the opponent's punch etc. etc." bullshit, aren't you? Bet you jack off to Cowboy Bebop four times a week.

>>170263

Wow, 14 victory bouts over the course of 18 years. Truly impressive. No, really.

Also, I love how you didn't read this part:

>Lee was not a professional competitor

Dude, get over it. Lee casually fought some very scrubby fighters for publicity. Any real professional fighter would wipe the floor with Lee in a fucking heartbeat.
>> Anonymous
>>170320
because he's dead
>> Anonymous
>>170322

He died because he was a scrub.
>> Anonymous
in during bluce ree neckbeard argument
>> Anonymous
>>170324
im sure bruce lee in the 60s would lose to a mixed martial artist of the 00s... no shit

if lee lived 4 decades later he would have made the necessary adjustments in his training regimen
>> Anonymous
>>170320

>I was referring to MMA, which is about as close to a realistic street fight as you can get

WRONG. The closest thing to real fighting is the list of rules of whats NOT allowed in the UFC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship#Fouls

I don't know where you grew up, but fighting is never one on one and matched up before hand to make sure the fighters are equal weight and experience. And don't get me started on weapons.
>> Anonymous
>>170332

It doesn't to me. I'm 6'3" and 240 pounds at 6% body fat and I've been boxing since I was seven. I'm not even trying to brag, but I'm a tank in a fight. I've had weapons used against me, I've been triple teamed, I've been sucker punched. Never been taken to the ground and I've never lost I fight.

I'm pretty much perfect, scrub.
>> Anonymous
>>170362

Yea, keep up with that attitude, I'm sure you'll never get deaded from a knife or a pistol someday.
>> Anonymous
>>170362
no you aren't
>> Anonymous
>>170372

I carry a SIG P229 in .40S&W and a backup snub nosed .357 magnum. I'm ready for that kind of shit.
>> Anonymous
>>170362

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
>> Anonymous
>>170502

It's the bullet you don't seem coming that morts your ass. Enjoy your sense of invulnerability that ultimately ends in your early and bloody demise.
>> Anonymous
A perfect fight isn't fucking MMA. You jackoff high school retards think that watching The Ultimate Fighter once a week makes you fucking experts.

Try that grapling bullshit when the first strike in a fight is two fingers in each of your eyes. How the fuck are you going to get a rear naked choke when you have eye fluid leaking into your mouth?

For his time, Bruce Lee was BY FAR the most advanced fighter to publicly teach or discuss.

It's not about returning energy, or aligning your fucking Chakra's, or adjusting your Karma, it's about doing whatever the fuck you have to in order to win, and that's what he did.

The only other mother fucker to ever come close was Ed Parker, who in his prime would eat the fucking throats of these Chuck Lidel's and Tank Abbots and such bullshit.

MMA is NOT real fighting. It's just the Tae Kwon Do on the ground.
>> Anonymous
Even you gun fags can get your teeth caved in. You have to take the time to pull, aim, and fire. If somebody gets the jump on you, especially a grappler from behind, those guns won't do jack fucking shit for you.

I ran a martial arts school for 15 years, I can tell you that it's not that hard to disarm somebody who hasn't killed before and is using that gun to intimidate.

Try this, give a good friend a water gun, and have him put it at the base of your skull, and see what the difference is between you turning your head, and his pulling the trigger. You'll win.
>> Anonymous
>>171270

You fail, no one puts a gun to a head unless your a retard. You always keep a minimum of distance of 3 feet when you pull on someone. That useless shit scenario to prove you're right is just like telling someone "Grab my wrist, and see what I can do to you". That shit just doesn't cut it.