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Anonymous
So I was watching Fight Quest, the japan episode (kyokoshin karate, was it?). And one of the ways they train was to hit a tree, basically without ANY protective gear.
I understand the concept of hitting hard things, to kill the somethings in hand and to make your hand harder.
But a many months ago I asked gamefaqs MA board if it's alright if I hit a tree (with wraps for protection) and they said it's the BACK that's the problem. It'll get hurt from hitting a stationary item (unlike a bag).
But the guys who were training seemed alright, and quite hard (yes, I know, karate would be useless in a real fight etc.).
Does anyone have any insight to this training method?

tl;dr would hitting a tree injure the persons back or anything?
>> Anonymous
It's not good hitting an inanimate object for several different reasons. Firstly is injury, yes there is the argument that you will strengthen over time but as you stated it carries a severe shock through the arm and down into the lower back if you're a hard hitter. Over time this can fuck shit up. So that's one besides the obvious wrist injury and elbow problems.

The major reason to not hit inanimate objects though is that if you are training to actually fight people or any other animal, they are not stationary and respond to the pressure you apply on them. The tree will stop you dead while a bag will flex and move in a way similar to that of a real target and reduce the chance of injury.

tl;dr heavy bag/sparring partner with pads ftw.
>> Anonymous
>>332999

Right, sounds like the exact same answer I got last time on gamefaqs.
I'm not asking because I want to do it, but how come those people that train in crazy ways seem ok? Or is the keyword here "seem"?

Also, are there any other martial arts programs to recommend? Anything with training, doesn't need to be martial arts.
>> Anonymous
People who want to harden their knuckles neither hit tress nor walls. What they use is the basically get a long and kinda thick wooden stick and bury it in the ground. Then they wrap that stick with a thick rope. Then you can safely bash the shit out of it.

Why? Because a tree is too firmly routed in the ground - it doesn't move, not even 1 milimeter when you hit it. The stick though, even though you won't notice that much, transfers lots of the impact into the soil so you don't hurt your back that much. The rope absorbs some of the impact too, but is still hard enough for your knuckle bones to get damaged a bit so they can rebuild.
>> Anonymous
>>333007

And I guess knuckle pushups as well? The karate guys walked up some stone stairs with their hands (their partner holds their legs), seemed alright.
>> Anonymous
>>333017
Yeah, stuff like that. Basically, anything that just STOPS your punch dead in its tracks is bad for you. Sure, when you're young you can brag how you can hit walls and stuff because your knuckles are so trained or whatever, but in just 5 or 10 years you'll reap the fruits of your idiocy

You need dynamic resistance: something that does give you resistance, but also succumbs to your punches and actually moves. The thing with the pole in the ground is the most extreme thing I'd recommend you to hit
>> Anonymous
>>333022

So you seem knowledgeable, what would you recommend for a beginner (weight 60kg). Was thinking a 30kg bag, but unsure what difference the weight does (I guessed the heavier and more trained you are, the heavier the bags should be)?
Also when hitting the bag, is it alright to just use wraps or is it recommended to use both wraps and boxing?

If anyone has a beginner's FAQ to link to (a good one, rather not train like a mcdojo fag). I would join a local club, but the closest thing in my town is a yoga club.
>> Anonymous
>> gamefaqs MA board
Am I missing something here ?
>> Anonymous
>>333030

No, you aren't. I asked there before /fit/ was made. This thread is just for confirmation since I saw what the people on Fight quest did.
>> Anonymous
>>333031
Nice sage, I lol'd. But that kinda works against the thread, not an individual. (And I'm assuming the thread is yours so, well, y'know.)

Anyway, I never knew Gamefaqs had an MA board (relevant to my interests.) Thank you for broadening my horizons.
>> Anonymous
who's the girl?
>> Anonymous
>>333028
It's not the weight of the bag that is important, but the consistency of it. Some ghetto bags are filled with crumbled up newspapers or old rags, some are filled with sand or grain or other small yet hard substances. I'd suggest you go to a sports store and try out some of their bags, see what is more comfortable to you.

The general rule is: the smaller the filling, the harder it'll be. Sand-Grain-Paper-Rags, from hardest to softest
>> Anonymous
karate is not useless is kick ass (i bet some of the hundred forms suck though)

but to answer your question
in karate they train there hands so
1.become numb to pain
2. to toughen their bone which after i long time of punching hard objects build calcium around them and toughen them
ive seen people break bats with the inside of their wrist and send the broken park flying

the point of it is to either not get hurt get through something to get to your enemy
and not hurt yourself and cause more damage to the enemy
theres also the fact you can do a lot more deadly plows to a human body like bring bones

and i think your thinking of tai kwang do that art fuck SUCKS!!
>> Anonymous
>>333035

I was just saging myself, because it added nothing I needed to the thread. No one is reading this, but I need to clarify anyway. The reply was just to explain something trivial.
sage on this reply, seeing as it adds nothing.