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THANKS, MATT FUREY, I KNEW THOSE DEADLIFTS HAD A SCARY NAME FOR A REASON!

http://www.mattfurey.com/deadlift_back_pain_060104.html
>> Anonymous
"Always remember, the bench press destroys the shoulder and deadlifts ruin the lower back. In the future I'll tell you about other weight lifting/ training exercises you'll want to avoid."

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>> Anonymous
even if it is harmful i would rather be a buff badass during my youth
>> Anonymous
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MATT FUREY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD, YET YOU SPRING UP OUT OF NOWHERE TO SPEW YOUR SHIT

RAAEEGGGGGGGGGG
>> Anonymous
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>> Anonymous
say it isnt true guise...
>> Anonymous
ooooh I see, he sells stuff. I get it.
>> Marc Leuvér
>>417084
Hurt my back doing Deadlifts. Guess what I'll be doing when I recover? DEADLIFTS.

Fuck you, Matt Furey.
>> Anonymous
Better safe than sorry, I say. You can replicate the same movements with rowing machines and leg extensions anyway, so you should just stick to that.
>> Anonymous
^^ jesus stfu
>> Anonymous
While he is over selling it, deadlifts can damage the back and benching can damage the shoulder.

Improper technique on the deadlift can compact the spine or herniate a disk or cause any number of pulls. When idiots on /fit/ keep telling you to do heavy deadlift, if you do it before you're ready, you might end up hurt.

With bench press, every asshole tells you to touch your chest, but for most people, bringing the bar that low recruits more heavily of the shoulder(deltoid) rather than the pec, suddenly shifting a heavy weight load from a big pushing muscle in the proper plane to a muscle not meant to push out at that angle.

Just be careful while you lift and do it right with the right weight and you'll be fine.
>> Anonymous
>>417173

I would stomp you like Isaac from Dead Space if I saw you doing a deadlift at the row machine
>> Anonymous
>>417403

Why? One more weak idiot kept away from the barbells.
>> Anonymous
>>417298
>>With bench press, every asshole tells you to touch your chest, but for most people, bringing the bar that low recruits more heavily of the shoulder(deltoid) rather than the pec, suddenly shifting a heavy weight load from a big pushing muscle in the proper plane to a muscle not meant to push out at that angle.

god you're a fucking idiot. that just means they have terrible technique, not that touching your chest is bad. learn to bench properly and stop trying to justify your half-rep hero status.
>> Anonymous
>>417499

I touch the chest, but in comparison to other people who bench, my arms are long as fuck and have a long way to travel. I can't bench as much because of it, so if I wanted to water down my form to lift more, it would be sort of justified (but it's not always about lifting more)
>> Anonymous
Matt Furey

How the fuck can you trust someone with a name like FUREY?

Keep doing your situps and pushups you imbecile. Leave the weights to the real men of /fit/
>> Anonymous
>>417298

There isn't ANYTHING wrong with going low enough to the point that your shoulders are getting in on the action. It's called a fucking compound exercise for a reason.

the reason why the bench press causes most injuries is because faggots don't exercise their rotator cuffs
>> Anonymous
I bring the bar down to about 2 inches from my chest and i cudnt give a fuck, my chest is growing and im gettin stronger. Im 6'1, skinny body frame, and my arms are long as fuck and frankly just hurts if i bring it down to my chest
>> Anonymous
>>417510
you're not getting stronger. you're adapting to a movement that has no carryover in the real world. you're pretty much a faggot and serious injury is about all you have to look forwards to when you misjudge the weight and can't stop the bar when it gets below your zero point. but its awesome to watch so continue.

>>417508
to a large extent yes. but the way most fools bench is needlessly stressful on the deltoids. and most gym heroes don't even know what the rotator cuff is.

>>417505
i have long as fuck arms as well. the problem is that people usually touch the bar too high on their chest, and their triceps aren't strong enough to touch it anywhere else. it's a vicious cycle. correct technique moves more weight and puts less stress on the complex shoulder joint. and has more carry over. awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>417499
>>417508
>>417510
If your elbow drops lower than parallel with your chest, you stop hitting the chest muscles and start putting pressure on the deltoid.

There is no reason to go past that point, you risk undue injury, especially with heavy weights.

The kind of guy who says you have to go to your chest is the same guy who says dont use straps (even though straps help people get 15% more reps done), dont use gloves (despite gloves protecting your hands from injury), and don't use a lifting belt (despite a lifting belt protecting your back on heavy lifts).

If you want to stop being a faggot, just check out modern pro body builders - they all use straps, gloves, belts, and most execute bench press based on their arm positioning, not touching the chest. Hell, some guys don't even do flat bench any more, because of the risk of injury.
>> Anonymous
>>417535
>>If your elbow drops lower than parallel with your chest, you stop hitting the chest muscles and start putting pressure on the deltoid.

>>There is no reason to go past that point, you risk undue injury, especially with heavy weights.

god no. there is no reason to go below that point if you are gay. if you want real strength you are going to have to learn to bench properly. you're not benching, you had may as well use a pec deck machine and stop hogging my fucking bench.

>>The kind of guy who says you have to go to your chest is the same guy who says dont use straps (even though straps help people get 15% more reps done), dont use gloves (despite gloves protecting your hands from injury), and don't use a lifting belt (despite a lifting belt protecting your back on heavy lifts).

straps do nothing to improve grip strength, and you can only lift more if you don't use chalk. they're also illegal in competition. and bad for your wrists. use chalk instead.

gloves don't protect your hands jack shit. and they impede developing proper grip because they stop you from closing your hands properly. they are frankly dangerous for some lifts (deads and olympic). you think protecting your hands is not getting some bawd widdle calluses? aawwww poor widdle baby.

and a lot of eastern european powerlifters and olympic weightlifters don't even use belts. there is debate as to whether or not they help anything at all; ed coan only uses them because it's in the rules, he does all of his training beltless.

you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. stop pretending you do.

>>If you want to stop being a faggot

>>just check out modern pro body builders

does not compute.

>>they all use straps, gloves, belts, and most execute bench press based on their arm positioning, not touching the chest. Hell, some guys don't even do flat bench any more, because of the risk of injury.

now i know you're trolling.
>> Anonymous
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>>417533
>>you're adapting to a movement that has no carryover in the real world.
>>Bench press
>>Real world use
>> Anonymous
>>417684

Get out of here crossfitfag, shoving pussies to the ground is a great real world application of the benchpress
>> Anonymous
>>417684
you're right, i'll stop with my gross body movements under heavy resistance and change to flying back flip hatchet attacks instead.
>> Anonymous
2 things

1. an exercise's 'danger' is actually a pretty good sign of its efficacy. -paraphrase of louie simmons. also,
'the only useless exercise is one that is totally safe'
2. within the world of 'fitness celebrities,' Matt Furey is a laughing stock, on the same plane w/Jason Ferruegia, the plageriser. they fall into 'unprofessional shits, avoid all their works, they are sensationalists'

for every DL you dont do, i'll pull two
>> Anonymous
>'the only useless exercise is one that is totally safe'

wise, tripfag, wise
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
Of course this shit is dangerous. Even if you do it properly, things can go wrong.

But that goes for everything, jogging, walking, whatever you do, there is some danger involved with it.

Learn how to do things properly first, and you greatly reduce your risks. Also, don't be a faggot and use gloves, they don't help.
>> Anonymous
>>417724

yeah bro
>> Anonymous
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DO I NEED TO BEAT SOME OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS UP?
>> Anonymous
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Matt Furey, Zen Master of the Internet
>> Anonymous
>>417724
>>417598
>>417533
>>417508
>>417499

You troll hard, dude. What you're saying is all opinions. The most proper way to do any exercise is stressing the muscle to a certain extent. If people can only bench press until the elbows are parallel and can't do anything after because it's HURTING, then they're doing it right. I've seen dudes that are about 6'5 250 pound heavy duty mother fuckers that don't touch their chest. And I'm pretty sure they know more than you. I go alittle bit below parallel because after that it starts hurting me a lot. And trust me, I know how the form is suppose to be so I'm not fucking up in any way. Plus when you do 225 pounds for six reps and only weighing alittle bit less than 150, it starts to take a big ass toll on your shoulders. So all in all, don't go by what everyone fucking says, just do whatever is within your comfort zone. If it gets to the point where it is actually hurting you than just stressing the area you're working out, then you're doing more harm than good.
>> Anonymous
>>417598
I don't feel like digging up the magazine, but there are pros who don't flat bench. One tore his pec and hasn't benched since.

The goal of the bench press is to keep tension on your pecs the whole time, once your elbows go past 90, the tension comes off your pecs. Do you do pushups the whole way to the ground?

And look up any video or picture of some pro working out - they're using all the safety gear. Just google Ronnie Coleman and notice he's wearing gloves with wrist supports in almost all his workout pictures.

tl;dr you're a faggot with small lifts who thinks he's big because he doesn't use SUPPLEMENTAL SAFETY GEAR and is hampering his own growth.

More reps + More weight = more muscle.

Gear, such as straps = More reps and more weight.

You finish the equation.
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
>>418254
Think of it like this.

For ever powerlifting competition, in order to have a completed bench press, you need to have a full range of motion, and you need to touch your chest.

>>418258
No, your chest is what you use to get it up, it's mainly your triceps that finish the lift, and are most likely disengaged at the bottom.

Also, I'm glad you used FUCKING PUSHUPS in your example. One of the "big three" of powerlifting, and done in almost a completely different fashion from, one of the worst exercises around.

I can definitely see how they would correlate!
>> Anonymous
>The goal of the bench press is to keep tension on your pecs the whole time, once your elbows go past 90, the tension comes off your pecs. Do you do pushups the whole way to the ground?

Yes faggot. I bet you don't squat ATG either do you?
>> Anonymous
>>418265

You're right. But not everyone works out to be in competition. People mainly do it too look good or to be healthy. And if I'm correct, they only do one full motion, and that's it. Maybe two or three, I don't remember.
>> Anonymous
>>418265
Powerlifters are great examples. They have 60 inch chests and take a wide grip, meaning that the distance the bar travels is as short as possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bu9csQC45c&feature=related

Notice his elbows barely go past parallel, his wrist protection, and his weight belt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMEgKgZOJi8&feature=related

Notice the limited range of motion, the elbow position, and the use of gloves and a weight belt by Ronnie Coleman.

If your elbows hits 90 degrees, you're at maximum influence on the pectorals. Past that and its deltoids. That's just anatomy. Keep arguing, you'll keep looking stupid and being wrong, so far, about everything, from pro body builder's equipment to benching.
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
>>418268
Yeah, it's a one rep max at competition, but they don't train only doing one rep at a time.

Plus, they probably put way more strain on their body than you ever will, you just have wrong information.
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
>>418273
Yes, every powerlifter in the world has a fucking 60 inch chest.

They never benched to their chest before hand, they only got bigger, RIGHT?!?

Plus, I wasn't talking about their equipment, some federations allow wrist wraps, some don't. I think they're good, they definitely protect you. Powerlifters using gloves is extremely rare, I haven't seen any in the videos I've watched.

Whatever though, you keep doing your half reps, I'll still be laughing at you.
>> Anonymous
>>418279

Well their workout program is purposely built for that competition. Some of them do the 5x5 workout just to solely build strength. All I know is a lot of those people in competitions do more weight less rep than you and I do. What I do is I believe is called super sets. I do three sets normal and then I decline in weight. When I get the the fourth and fifth set, I use what I did for the first and second set. Shit pumps you up good. All I know is that for people who work out for their own purposes usually don't follow the routine that those competition lifters do. I mean they do everything different than someone who works out normally.
>> Anonymous
>>418279
When going heavy, powerlifters only do up to about 4 reps. Read up on them, read interviews, they are very unhealthy people. Most are clinically obese and have cholesterol through the roof with tons of visceral fat.

Plus, they do train just for that 1 RM. The most efficient way of training for that is going heavy all the time.

This is obviously just an internet argument, but for your own health and safety, get educated about how your body works and your anatomical ranges of motion.
>> Anonymous
>>418287
Its ok tough guy. I lift from full extension down to where my elbows are at 90 degrees, which is somewhere around 16 inches of bar travel. I've got nice full pecs, healthy shoulders, keep constant pressure on my chest, and lift heavy.

I feel great, I look good, and I work out hard.
>> Anonymous
Bench press destroys your shoulders? : |
>> Anonymous
>>417298
>>418301
FFFFFFFFFF ;<
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
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>>418289
You're telling me I need to read up on powerlifting? Fuck dude, wow.

Fuck, what that cscs guy said was true. This place could be good, but we have tools like
>>418294
>>418289
>>418288

Son of a bitch.
>> Anonymous
>>418289

You seem to be confusing all powerlifters with superheavyweight powerlifters which do not have a weight class restriction, and can thus get as big and strong as they damn well want.

High cholesterol isn't a bad thing either.

>>418294

You might lift heavy weight, but you aren't strong. Enjoy your half reps faggot.
>> Anonymous
>>418305

You're the only fucking tool here buddy. When you tear up your shoulder so bad that you can't rotate it without it hurting, don't cry. While your recovering, I'll still be lifting properly and not having a single problem.
>> CWheezy !!bJFrM5LONOF
>>418314
I'm actually still waiting for this to happen. Is it just going to happen all of a sudden, or what?

I've been lifting for a while, and I haven't had any problems, nor do I feel any pressure.

No one FUCKING tears their shoulder benching properly, like I said, go do your half reps like a bitch, maybe do some quarter squats as well, wouldn't want to go all the way down, right?
>> Anonymous
>>418254
>>If people can only bench press until the elbows are parallel and can't do anything after because it's HURTING, then they're doing it right.

um no. if you're performing an exercise that is inducing muscular pain rather than a training effect, then you're doing it fucking wrong. working hard and working stupid are not the some thing fuckwit.

>>I've seen dudes that are about 6'5 250 pound heavy duty mother fuckers that don't touch their chest. And I'm pretty sure they know more than you.

and i've seen 180lb guys bench 700 to their chests, and 280lb guys bench 720 to their chests raw, and i'm pretty sure these guys know more than you do. see how you're stupid fucking argument backfires in the light of reality?

I'm ignoring the rest of your post because it is fucking stupid, and so are you.
>> Anonymous
>>418258
>>The goal of the bench press is to keep tension on your pecs the whole time, once your elbows go past 90, the tension comes off your pecs. Do you do pushups the whole way to the ground?

no it's not. or rather, only if you're a fag. then you'd may as well just use a pec deck machine. because your benching will only lead to injury because your technique fucking sucks.

>>More reps + More weight = more muscle.

more sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which degrades in a matter of a couple of weeks and doesn't translate directly into strength like myofibular hypertrophy does.

>>Gear, such as straps = More reps and more weight

gear, such as straps means an inability to move the weight without straps. so you're fucked if you don't have straps. well done gym hero.

>>And look up any video or picture of some pro working out - they're using all the safety gear. Just google Ronnie Coleman and notice he's wearing gloves with wrist supports in almost all his workout pictures.

coleman is a body builder. while he is stronger than most bodybuilders, there are powerlifters much, much smaller than he is that can lift much much more. and oly lifters? an 80kg weight class dude (pyrros dimas) can haul more than 200kg above his head from the floor. coleman can't do that. empty mass.
>> Anonymous
>>418273
god fucking damn, don't argue shit you don't know about. powerlifting runs on weight classes and you run on semen. not all powerlifters have 60inch fucking chests or can restrict range of motion like that. grip width is restricted by the rules and it's got NOTHING to do with developing pectorals, only expressing max strength. if you use CORRECT FUCKING TECHNIQUE like i've been telling you this entire FUCKING THREAD you do not put the majority of the strain on the fucking deltoids and THATS ANATOMY. cocksucker. if you do, YOUR TECHNIQUE SUCKS. i even told you how to do this in this thread.

>>418288
>>Well their workout program is purposely built for that competition. Some of them do the 5x5 workout just to solely build strength.

i fucking lol'd. the rest of this post? fuck, you must be trolling. or not know anything about powerlifting. or lifting weights. in fact, wiping your ass is probably a mystery to you.

>>418289
not even fucking close. everything you have said in this post is basically wrong. some of the superheavy weights overweight? yup. notice how i said some.

now fuck off back to your den of ignorance and get teh fuck out of my /fit/.
>> Anonymous
>>418323

Half reps huh? Yeah you go tell that to the PRO lifters bench probably three times more weight than you, that they lift like a bitch and only do half reps. They'll rip your fucking head off and eat it for breakfast. You don't know jack shit dude. It's not going to happen suddenly but it will eventually. How about you tell me how to bench properly and I promise I'll write to Ronny Coleman and all the other PRO lifters who do it parallel, that the oh so powerful, magnificent god CWeezy said you have to do it his way. Fucking idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>418294
>>Its ok tough guy. I lift from full extension down to where my elbows are at 90 degrees, which is somewhere around 16 inches of bar travel. I've got nice full pecs, healthy shoulders, keep constant pressure on my chest, and lift heavy.

>>I feel great, I look good, and I work out hard.

you're a fucking faggot. half reps are also really fucking dangerous, as you'll discover when you add just a little too much weight and the bar dips just a little too low. and the shear on your shoulders is at a max at 90 anyway. you fucking tool.

your shoulders are not healthy. you're just not stressing them.

>>418314
for the i don't know how manyth time, if your technique is correct, you don't tear your shoulders. you're just lazy, egotistical and mind numbingly stupid.
>> Anonymous
OH HEY GUISE 5X5

>OH HEY GUISE I LEARNED EVERYTHING I KNOW FROM THE INTERNET
>> Anonymous
all this fucking talk and no one has yet to post their technique. fucking fail.
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>>418334
>>Half reps huh? Yeah you go tell that to the PRO lifters bench probably three times more weight than you,

pro-lifters have to bench all the way down dude. it's in the rules.

>>promise I'll write to Ronny Coleman and all the other PRO lifters who do it parallel,

coleman isn't a pro-lifter dude. he's a bodybuilder.

<---this is a pro lifter.
>> Anonymous
>>418334

Anyone that benches PRO is a fucking powerlifter, and does it all the way to their chest EVERY SINGLE FUCKING LIFT.

Coleman is a bodybuilder that does not care about strength or health, only about being bigger. He's also a PRO bodybuilder that works with a routine more advanced that 99.999% of the training population will ever find necessary, and maybe finds partial reps useful. However as he was a powerlifter before he started bodybuilding, it's probably unlikely. Unless you're at his level and have his pharmacist, the "Ronnie Coleman does this" argument really doesn't work.
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here is another. jason fry, 181lbs.
>> Anonymous
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heres an olympic lifter. that's something like 200kg hes got there.
>> Anonymous
well internet tough guys, you win. Have fun with your exercises and you're bloated sense of fulfillment to accompany your fat deposits and weak lifts.

I'm going to go cuddle my ISSA certification and then do some 'half reps.'
>> Anonymous
I declare the people who know that bench presses go down until they touch your chest, or else it is a dangerous/pussy half lift, the winners of this thread.

Chalk one up for the voices of reason on /fit/
>> Anonymous
>>418357

ISSA? Oh my...

Does your cereal box cert cuddle you back?
>> Anonymous
>>If people can only bench press until the elbows are parallel and can't do anything after because it's HURTING, then they're doing it right.

>>um no. if you're performing an exercise that is inducing muscular pain rather than a training effect, then you're doing it fucking wrong. working hard and working stupid are not the some thing fuckwit.

Good job on making yourself look like a fucking idiot. If you read correctly, I basically stated "IF YOU CANNOT GO BELOW PARALLEL BECAUSE IT STARTS HURTING YOU, I.E YOUR FUCKING TENDONS, THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG." Nice going.
>> Anonymous
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>>418357
>>well internet tough guys, you win. Have fun with your exercises and you're bloated sense of fulfillment to accompany your fat deposits and weak lifts.

got the sneaking suspiscion that these guys might bench more than you. and i sure as hell don't have a lot of body fat.

>>I'm going to go cuddle my ISSA certification and then do some 'half reps.'

and just like your mother they don't love you either.

enjoy tearing your shoulder off at a later date when you fuck up your inherantly unstable half rep. here is another picture of jason fry.
>> Anonymous
>>418368
>>Good job on making yourself look like a fucking idiot. If you read correctly, I basically stated "IF YOU CANNOT GO BELOW PARALLEL BECAUSE IT STARTS HURTING YOU, I.E YOUR FUCKING TENDONS, THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG." Nice going.

so you agree with me then? that if you're benching to your chest and your tendons are hurting then it's because your technique fucking sucks and you're an idiot, not because touching the chest is actually bad? oh ok, glad we sorted that out then.

ps, if you can't bench to the chest without hurting yourself, you're doing it wrong. if you bench properly, with correct technique, you can touch the chest without pain, period. the reasons for this are to do with the whole anatomy thing you talk about but don't understand. that's the end of the fucking story foolio.
>> Anonymous
Look, I might not bench more than a lot of people here, but for my weight I think it's pretty damn good. All I know is that I go parallel, it works, I got bigger, and I got stronger. Just do whatever works for you. Nobody is the same.Some people can go all the way to their chest without having any single problem, while some just cannot perform that task. Just because they don't do it your way doesn't mean that person is wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>418380

Yes it does
>> Anonymous
>>418382

Prove it.
>> Anonymous
>>418380
look, the thing is, you're not really stronger and the risk of injury is greater because half-reps are inherantly unstable. all internet tough-guy aside, half-reps are dangerous and produce exactly the kind of shear you're trying to avoid. they're unstable because the stabilisers don't develope fully and you can't recover past 90 degrees because you haven't developed past 90 degrees. if benching to your chest causes pain, you need to bench lower down, further towards the base of the sternum and keeping the elbows tucked. hell, even not tucked the lower contact point will relieve the strain on the shoulders. to start this will be harder because the triceps probably aren't strong enough and you're not used to the technique. but it will be, in the long run, safer and better for your shoulders.
>> Anonymous
>>418380

Stronger? Oh really? Stronger at half repping you mean?

What happens when you have to apply force away from your body from a starting point that doesn't place your elbows at exactly 90 degrees. You are not functionally strong, and I hope something heavy falls on you while you're lying on your back.

Also, I'm willing to be you got pretty minimal lat development from your half rep benching. Yeah, that's right, latissimus dorsi development from benching. It's just anatomy that you don't understand.
>> Anonymous
>>418387

My technique is on point and I still get problems going past parallel. There's a lot of factors involved with going past parallel/ staying at parallel. The position your hands are when you grab the bar, the length of your arms, etc. I for one can't go past parallel. Bench bar goes to my sternum, shoulders tucked in, back arched, feet planted, everything good to go, and I still can't do it. I can do it for one rep with no problems, but when I actually work out, I just simply can't, it causes me too much pain. People are different. Some workouts don't work for some people. Some forms don't work for some people. That's why there's so many workout plans and diets and all that other shit. Because not everyone can do the exact same thing.
>> Anonymous
>>418388
>>What happens when you have to apply force away from your body from a starting point that doesn't place your elbows at exactly 90 degrees.

his biggest problem will be when that force has to be against the barbell when his elbows aren't exactly 90 degress.
>> Anonymous
>>418392
sounds like your grip is too wide, or your posterior deltoids and rotators are too weak.
>> Anonymous
>>418388

Lol my lats are doing just fine for my height. I do other exercises for that. And maybe this is bad, but for weighing 148 when I did this, I maxed out at 280.I'm only 5'5 so I think it's pretty good. And I put the bar on my chest. I can only do one rep without it hurting me. And I don't care if you believe me or not. This is the internet, bullshit is posted here by the second. I just posted here because I saw all this shit going on and I wanted to post my opinion. I can't do it now because I haven't worked out in months, but I'll get it back.
>> Anonymous
>>418396

I've been told and read a lot that my grip goes where those little lines are at. So that's where I put it. May or may not be the problem. I don't know.
>> Anonymous
>>418402
no. you're benching too wide from the sounds of it (if you're the 5'5 guy), and you will fuck your shoulders like that. i am 5'8 and my arm span is like 20cm more than my height and i bench narrower than that. that width kills my shoulders as well. i'll only do it at low weight for reps, but for no more than three sessions in a cycle. so you need to bring that in somewhat.

once again, the problem here is bad technique, not the inherant evil of touching the chest.
>> Anonymous
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frankly, i am AMAZED and AWED that there could even be this much dissent on this topic

people here are 100% at odds w/each other. and no troll would try so hard, so both sides have people with total conviction.

one side uses feelings
the other facts and reason

good thing neither won

welcome to /fit/ and enjoy hell
>> Anonymous
>>418398

No you didn't max out at 280, you fucking half repped 280.

>>418402

The lines are for indicating a legal grip width in powerlifting. The rings can't be visible, or the grip is not legal.

And there isn't a single person on this planet without a pre-existing shoulder problem that can't touch the bar to their chest with proper form. Some adjustment in grip width and some stretching may be required, but it is far better off in the long run than half repping, for reasons that have already been explained in depth.
>> Anonymous
>>418412

No, I maxed 280. The bar touched my chest. I didn't half rep it. Believe it or not, I honestly don't care. But maybe that could be the problem that my grip is too wide. Should my arms be parallel to the bar? Like just stick out my arms and grab it there?
>> Anonymous
>>418411

We post, because we care.

Plus, it'll be totally sweet when we convince Mr. 5'5" Pussy Bitch Half Reps to the correct way of thinking.
>> Anonymous
>>418412
ironically enough though, if we are talking the physiological function of the shoulder girdle (in the scapular plane)...
No amount of ROM on the BB bench press = 'full range of motion' (think of BB bench compared to ring dips, DBs, etc...)

touching the chest is a relative and arbitrary measure of the movement. But still, its always best to use 'as much ROM' as possible for any given movement.

just food for thought for you absolutists. the only people who do 'need to touch' are powerlifters for comp, and even more ironic, they are the LEAST LIKELY to train full ROM than any of the other types of lifters (boardpress, pin lockouts, floor press, etc)
>> Anonymous
>>418416

Lol I'm a pussy huh? Because I've been doing was I was told for like a year? Check out the Mr. mature and wisdom this fucking character is. Seriously dude, if you're so fucking high and mighty, please post pics of yourself, your diet, and your workout plan. Your stats too.
>> Anonymous
hmmm, thinking about it, it would depend on if you're using an olympic or powerlifting bar. i don't know.
>> Anonymous
>>418418

Yeah yeah, we know, no need to be smartass.

Someone answer 415's question, I'm going to bed.
>> Anonymous
>>418423
actual no, no one ACTUAL thinks about that.
so you 'dont know'

you are upset that me bring HOLYSHIT FACTS/SCIENCE has completely debased all this silly bickering about 'full range of motion' in an otherwise moot discussion
>> Anonymous
>>418418
well, not really. the reason for not training with the competition bench all the time is more to prevent cns burnout in the lift. the other lifts are to bring up weak points identified in the lift. some will actually use a competition bench for training, but they'll rep it, not max it.
>> Anonymous
>>418415

this guy

>>418426

knows more about it than me. ask him.
>> Anonymous
>>418427
whut? you and i are not at a disagreement. why are u quoting me?

also, this is obviously Cwhezzy.
>> Anonymous
Curious aside, where the hell are you guys located at? I just woke up 30 minutes ago (Atlanta, GA) and see there's been a shitstorm brewing.
>> Anonymous
protip
the easiest way to 'up your bench' is to manipulate ROM

GET FAT

ARCH LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER

TUCK YOUR SCAPULA BACK

and you too can have a massive bench

(do any of you feel silly? these are such meaningless stats, as the variables on this lift are simply comical to compare)

and before anyone starts bitching, i actual competed USAPL, so i am certainly not a matt furyite crossfitshit
>> Anonymous
>>418440

>>418415

I'm that guy. Would you please answer my question on how to bench properly because I've obviously been told the wrong way.
>> Anonymous
>>418441
feet firm on ground, back arched, shoulder blades tucked back, elbows tucked in dont let them flare out. take a deep breath, get a hand off so you don't lose that tightness you've setup, bring bar straight down to chest, breathe out and push as hard as possible.
>> Anonymous
>>418440
yeah yeah we know. what anon wants to know is what grip to bench to the chest with without shoulder pain. he uses an arched back and all that, but it seems his grip is too wide, although we don't know if he uses an olympic or a power bar. so what is a good grip in terms of anatomical positioning (angles between upper and lower arms?) to start with?
>> Anonymous
>>418440

And also, I'm reading that I shouldn't arch my back. Got it from here http://books.google.com/books?id=n2GAM3t9GfsC&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=how+to+properly+benc
h+press&source=web&ots=KPwQUuZjGI&sig=ew1MCD4CZDXNrIeQG_Wrae63Bkc&hl=en&sa=X&amp
;oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA125,M1
>> Anonymous
>>418441
wut part of 'arms' upper arm? humeral?

its all dependent upon 100s of other aspects relating to the rest of your body and WHAT YOUR GOAL IS

but in general, NO, tuck the elbows, touch @ upper abs. move bar in straight line, as limited ROM as possible. Use leg drive, arch, etc.

but hey, thats just how to be most efficient and have minimal stress on shoulder joint...but what do i know
>> Anonymous
>>418446
ignore that shit.
>> Anonymous
>>418445

Well I can't tell the difference between the two, I use the bar at the gym and the one I have at home for when I can't pay for the gym.
>> Anonymous
>>418447

I mean just sticking your arms up in the air and then just grabbing the bar and widening your grip a little.
>> Anonymous
>>418447
that's kind of obtuse isn't it? he does all of that already, and even tucked if your grip is too wide you'll place undue stress and pain on the shoulders. you know that.
>> Anonymous
I'd say for grip, do as I said before with getting setup to bench, then lower an empty bar down to the bottom position and have someone looking at how your arms are placed. At the bottom they should be perpendicular to the ground so all the force you exert will be straight up.
>> Anonymous
>>418451
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
you are disgustingly unclear. just fucking bench, it isnt rocket science. when you get at least 95lb under your belt. look up some fucking articles.

your choice. PL or BB
>> Anonymous
>>418449
try this to start.

take a grip that gives you a 90 degree angle between your upper and lower arms when your upper arm is parallel to the floor. start with that, using arched back and all that shit, and then work it out or in from there.

sorry, best i can do.
>> Anonymous
>>418440
>TUCK YOUR SCAPULA BACK

On the stronglifts site they say something about squeezing your back when benching, is this bad?
>> Anonymous
>>"Always remember, the bench press destroys the shoulder and deadlifts ruin the lower back. In the future I'll tell you about other weight lifting/ training exercises you'll want to avoid."
He forgot about how squatz ruin your knees, so strike them out as well
>> Anonymous
damn what a shit storm thread. I would barely get pas the first 1/3 and I had tried to read this shit yesterday also.

My 2 cents...
you HAVE to be a complete idiot to NOT learn something even from an internet (tool) hero like Matt Furey. Many of the exercises he does so do a lot of athletes. His emphasis on many things is what make me think he is an hero (idiot).

btw drinking water causes cancer.
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
Remember when Brooks Kubik went over to Fury and started hawking a bodyweight course for $200. Now he's back to lifting weights. Go figure
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
Ok, are we at least in agreement that Furey is a pseudoscientific faggot?