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I'm currently playing Xenosaga 3 and I'd love to have some pics from any Xenosaga game, including Xenogears. Doesn't have to be ecchi either.
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>> RiderFan !!o7sFgCyZbre
Too bad you missed the epic Android turned KOS-MOS thread.
Too bad it didn't get archived!!!
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>> Anonymous
omg more kos-mos and t-elos pls. >___>
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Cute stuff is fine too. XD
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It's not loli if she isn't human. That's all the pics I have, so please add to my collection.
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>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
>>558113
I saved the entire thread. Debating on whether or not I should start posting.

Yes or No?
>> RiderFan !!o7sFgCyZbre
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Yes!
>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
>>558376
Ok, lemme find it.
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>>558381
Thanks!
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>>558381
Ok, here's how it is: I have the entire thread....minus about 3-4images. After eliminating all the Non-Xenosaga stuff that leaves me with 40-some images.

Let it begin then.
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>> Anonymous
>>558388
Anyone else catch that Gustav Klimt reference?
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>>558402
Yea...can't remember name though.
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By the way: a few of these are popping up duplicates so it may not equal up to 40 images.
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>> RiderFan !!o7sFgCyZbre
It was the artificial intelligence debate that made the thread epic. I thought you had a screenshot of the thread (since I already have all the pictures).
>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
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Hey! I found a few more on my flash drive. Bonus Pics then!
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>>558447
I could just take a screenshot of the opened html file. I have a tendency to save the actual page with my porn when delivery occurs.

Screenshot will have to wait for morning though.
>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
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And this does it until morning. Expect the screenshot then RiderFan.
>> Twilightdrgn
The A.I. discussion was pretty good. But I was more interested in the posts, to be honest. :p
>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
This is the last post I have saved in the html.
OK I'll admit, I skipped a few posts in here, but it's a great topic and I have a few points of my own.

First: there will never be such a thing as "true A.I." there will only be "Intelligence." The ability to learn and adapt is what this refers to and has no bearing on sentience. Sentience would refer more to emotional state and the concept of being self-aware.

I believe, personally, that creating intelligent, sentient, life is extremely possible--no, just a matter of time. Such a thing will undoubtedly be a mix of bio-technology and nano-technology. The brain will almost undoubtedly be modeled directly after our own, if not it would have to be the first quantum computer. (Assuming that our brain is not a biological quantum computer.) Sentience would be achieved simply through hyper-fast thought processes that would start with an observation of immediate surroundings and lead to observations of self and ones own purpose. The same way mankind achieved it.

There would be no programming, simply the ability to learn.

There would be no laws, they would be governed by the same social laws that govern us.

Which is where we have to tread lightly. We, as humans, already create intelligent life just like this: they are called children. Yet they do not pose a creater/created problem; certainly not usually a violent one. Treat it the same and there should be no issue.

However, the PURPOSE for creating sentient intelligence is somewhat ambiguous. Why make it sentient at all? Just causes problems if all you want it to do is your calculus homework.
>> Anonymous
>>558459

lol, wut?
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>>558405
The Kiss
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>>558110

Shoulda been in /c/ a few days ago, OP. There were 3-4 threads full of Xenopics.
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>>558610
Saga or Gears?
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>>558513
>AnimePaper

I really wish someone would hack that site, rip the entirety of its contents and post them somewhere for people to access 'em without having to be shafted by their miserable amnesty system with its extortionist rate of exchange.
>> Anonymous
>>558624

Both. Just a huge dump of Xenoseries in general.
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>>558635
I missed it?! Why wasn't this posted in /m/?!
>> Anonymous
>>558642

Because they weren't posting pictures of gears and ES'? That's not what /c/ is for.
>> Anonymous
>>558657
I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or if you really are that dense. Just because we get raging hard-ons for mecha does NOT mean we don't also get raging hard-ons for their female pilots. And unless I miss my guess, I'd wager that a number of images posted in those threads featured androids? Those would be especially pertinent to our interests. Next time such threads pop up, I would appreciate it if you or some other kind Anon or perhaps even a namefag or tripfag show a bit of basic intelligence as far as who might be interested.
>> The Vidya
>>558630

Fucking seconded.
>> Anonymous
>>558686

Before making suggestions about others' intelligence, I'd suggest you pull the stick out of your butt so it stops hurting so much first. That big a baby tantrum over being too lazy a fuck to browse /c/ AND /m/? I laughed, sir, although I wish you good luck at the proctologist tommorow. He's gonna have a hard time understanding your explaination of it.
>> Anonymous
>>558706
And why are you of all people gloating over the stick up mine when you've got your vacuous head up yours? I'd say that's a likely cause as to why you're so full of crap, so I'd advise you to pull your head out, and I wish you good luck explaining THAT to YOUR proctologist.
>> Anonymous
>>558110Doesn't have to be ecchi either.

Uh, yes it does, you stupid faggot. This is /e/.
>> Anonymous
>>558721

Man, I can see the nerd rage boiling over in your words. Don't worry though. Next time we get to posting xeno material in /c/, we'll give the you a thread dedication to that sniffing crybaby from /m/ and his quest for board equality. That should make you feel better, right? At least enough to come up with a better insult than poor imitation?
>> kawaiigirls
Dammit, you two girls stop fagging up my beautiful thread. Go sit in your respective corners and think about what you've done. Thanks to all those who posted pics, I greatly appreciate it.
>> J !!z7uzSqwd1ft
Sorry about the delay RiderFan but now that there's, at least, a lull in the retardation on the orz boards I can post this.

Taking about 10-15 screenshots would be too tedious for my lazy self so I just made a rar of the entire Android thread.

Here ya go:
http://rapidshare.com/files/106404509/Androids___AI_Discussion.rar
>> Anonymous
>>558797

Pearl Crescent Page Saver, a firefox extension that automatically screencaps an entire page in a single click without you having to scroll, cap, scroll cap, etc.

However, saving an entire html page with images will take up less space =)
>> Anonymous
So, is T-Elos/KOS-MOS considered Yuri or masturbation?
>> Anonymous
It's masturbation in a sense that the spirit of KOS-MOS is...

SPOILERS

fucking her own reanimated corpse when she's doing it with T-elos. D:
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Wow! I´m impressed the Androids thread is still present!, amazing, it was a nice conversation we had on the subject.

I also took a screencap of full thread, but it has been posted already.

Needless to mention, I am also a huge fan of Xenogears, the original masterpiece from Tetsuya Takahashi, even listening the OST right now; such complex, deep story, charismatic and intricated characters,... so many features!

Incredible!, I´m impressed!
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>>558797
This thread became so epic because of opinions offered by everyone, I agree.

It´s one of the biggest issues I´ve had with science and technology; I´m all up for developments, just how further must that be taken, right?

Since that included what I consider the best RPG series of all time, it reached lenghts far beyond /e/, ( let´s not forget Xenogears is the 5th chapter, and the Xenosaga games were 1-3 Episodes ).

I´m still holding my breath...

Shame I couldn´t catch up with this new topic.
>> Da Mister
I have a new suggestion, how about we exchange opinions of these games?, anyone familiar with it, please feel free to join and post, what makes them great?, the real reasons for their conclusion, Xenogears was released since 1998, and we still love it!

When un-opened copies of Xenogears show up in Ebay, they are usually sold around $150!, no ordinary game is capable of that much!
>> Da Mister
For example, in Xenogears, Graph truly makes fear the best word to describe him; since his first appearence, not to forget when you encounter enemies powered up by his hatred barrier, that makes them tremendously hard to beat, he destroys gears fast with one strike.

But it´s even more incredible when his true self is revealed, he is a previous incarnation of Fei, but not the real Fei, just a similar entity, who lived since the Sofia times (500 years ago aproximately), just because of hatred, the "power seeker" who despised his own lack of power to save Sofia.

Sofia killed herself impacting her ship against the first version of the Merkabah, built from knowledge obtained directly from Deus, this is a truly sad story, you even feel sorry for Krelian at the very end, he dealt with the same issues of Lacan ( original name for Graph ), then he said: "if God does not exist, I WILL create him with my hands", a lot of controversy around this game delayed its release for almost one year, only a handful of copies available at high prices when originally released.
>> Da Mister
Both Lacan and Krelian loved Sofia, she was a previous incarnation of Elly.

Originally, before the impact of the "Mahanon", god´s resting place", colonial ship "Eldridge", when Deus dettached himself of the Zohar modifier, Deus created one being, a woman of long, dark-blue hair, the caretaker of humankind, she gave birth to four humans: the Emperor Cain, and th Ministry Gazel, all four were still alive after 10,000 years, Cain had such an unpleasant look because of life-extension treatments, the minstry were living as data inside the SOL-9000 computer built by Krelian, they were the only ones capable using the key to open the seal to god´s resting place.
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Elly, Miang and Fei were meant to be reborn for countless times, Elly was the "mother", Miang was the memories, and Fei, the sole survivor of the ship impact, held the power of Deus, all they had to return to Deus.

Elly and Miang were originally one being, the caretaker of humankind, but separated themselves.
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The misterious connection between Elly and Nephilim was going to be an incredible treat for veterans of the series, but Namco Bandai messed that up.
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I´m listening the track "Star of Tears" (Xenogears), voice by Joanne Hogg, she also participated in two tracks from the first episode (Kokoro and Pain), one of the world´s bets celtic singers, period.

But if emotional music gets to you, these powerful soundtracks WILL absolutely do it.
>> Da Mister
I´m letting myself be too carried away once more!, join up and discuss about this great topic; again, your opinions are essencial here.
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When images not related to Xenosaga were removed, this one was also taken out, but it DOES belong here, it´s KOS-MOS, probably the best doujin "ovel der macht, unter endlosung die"
>> Seeker_Annonymous
I can pretty much surmise and understand about the Xenogears saga, since it's one of my personal favorite games. You don't see a plot that's has a lot of depth on many things, including love, death, life, religion and whatnot and sometimes it can give you headaches, but in a nice way since you can understand what each character is going through.

Although in my honest opinion, I can sympathize Grahf's plight a bit more and why he did the stuff he did, even confabulating with Miang and Krelian to achieve his goal. It may be just me, but for being the 'mother' of mankind on Xenogears' world, Miang was a bit of an asshole as to manipulate anyone of her likening; you'd have to feel sorry for Ramsus in that respect since she played him like a freaking Stradivarius and didn't really care for him anyways.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
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More correctly, Miang's motivation was not just that she embodied the memories of humanity's Mother; she was the "weapon aspect" of Deus. Deus was originally an interplanetary weapons system, and it spawned humanity in order to gain enough biological mass to regenerate itself and revive. Krelian hastened the process with nanotechnology, but for his own reasons; in spite of its true nature he saw Deus as 'god' and despising humanity he felt he could never be happy until he became one with god. Miang was happy to assist Krelian because it furthered her own goal: the restoration of Deus by assimilating all of humanity into it. But because this instinct to revive Deus was programmed into her (into all women, in fact, as the Urubolos factor) she was never able to be her own person and could not free herself from her destiny. That's why she was grateful to Ramsus when he finally snapped and killed her; it was the only way to release her from that fate.
>> Anonymous
>>559538

>That's why she was grateful to Ramsus when he finally snapped and killed her

Actually, she was grateful because he allowed her to reunify into her complete form. Elly and Miang were one being when Kadamony booted up, then split into Mother and Weapon parts after the ministry was created. Her gratitude to Ramsus was because she couldn't self-terminate - someone had to kill her when the time was right for everything to come togather. Ramsus did the deed; Miang got the last thing she needed.
>> Anonymous
/e/ - vidya gaems

>>559555
weren't elly and miang both born after the ship crashed?
>> Anonymous
>>559560

Not as two seperate beings, no. The split happened a short time later. Basically goes something like:

Crash -> Miang Hawwa -> Kain -> Ministry -> Miang/Elly split.
>> Anonymous
Whatever. tl;dr.

But as far as Xeno villains go, Miang was WAY more awesome than Wilhelm. On the other hand, Kevin was quite possibly just a notch better at mindfuckery than Krelian.
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Good thin this thread exists, I have this gif of I don't know what's happening, but I know I like it : does someone have explanation and BIGGER ?
>> Da Mister
>>559565
Kevin was an easy one to tell, I knew since the beginning he was up to something.
Yes, Ramsus was created to kill Emperor Cain, when he was aware of it, he lost it; the purpose why Krelian created him.
>>559564
That is correct, they separated after the birth of those four humans.
You remember I.D., right?, which reffers to this psychological disorder -multiple personalities-, he had the power Deus gave to Fei as the only survivor of the Eldridge ship, once they became one, Welltall suffered a transformation, changing into the Xenogears, the "Entity" gave this power for that purpose.
In the end, I felt sorry for Graph, he understood his role, and gave his life when the Zohar modifier appeared to recover the power Fei had, buying him some time.
Or the Zeboim civilizaton?, 4,500 years ago, past reincarnations of Fei ( a scientist ), and Elly were fatefuly tied, Emeralda was created as a nanomachine colony; even Krelian based his work on this proyect.
This story has so many memorable moments, you have had an amazing contribution, please continue with your opinions about these games (Xenosaga also welcome).
>> Da Mister
>>559729
Gladly I will explain it, this scene takes place in the 3rd episode, Shion has awakened the spirit of Mary Magdalene, inside of KOS-MOS, she needs the body of T-Elos to become whole, T-Elos is about to launch an energy attack, (they both open their costumes for that purpose), but this time, KOS-MOS´power is much greater than T-Elos´.
T-Elos is defeated, and her body merged with KOS-MOS, that is the main purpose Kevin created T-Elos.
As for making it bigger, well; it´s not naughty in nature, sure it does look nice, but that´s about it.
>> Seeker_Annonymous
No problem, man. An actual, intelligent discussion in 4chan is as rare as seeing the Haley Comet in our lifetime, so might as well make the most of it.

There is a couple more questions that are still on my mind on Xenogears:

Deus has been defeated, Krelian leaves the planet and the Entity has been freed, so does that mean that Fei and Elly won't have to reincarnate again? They were part of the greater whole and granted, they went through a lot of shit, especially Elly when in various or her incarnations she gave her life to save Fei so I was wondering about all that.

Another question is about the Gazel Ministry. Sure, Krelian got them out of the way by removing the cards from the SOL-9000 that kept them there, but it's just like removing a memory card from your PS2, so why not erase them as well to achieve their elimination? It's not the same simply removing the threat rather than eliminating it completely and someone with enough brains could reconnect the cards containing the Gazel elders back into SOL-9000, provided Krelian didn't destroy it as well.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>560247

The whole rebirth cycle was tied to the Wave Existence and Deus. With the Wave Existence--the real 'god'--released from its "Cage of Fleshly Existence" and allowed to return to its own dimension, Zohar and consequently Deus lost their power. This eliminates the use of Ether and the slave generators built into Gears since both rely on Zohar for power; because the Contact/Antitype cycle was also tied to Zohar, this will also stop.

The only reason Krelian kept the Ministry around was because he needed them to activate the Gaetia Key and start the mutation of humanity into the Seraph. Once they did that they and the SOL-9000 were expendable. He obviously considered them no threat since he had greater power within the Solaris government than they did (even greater than Cain) and even if they had been reactivated, as nothing more than computer data there is little they could have done to contest him. In all likelihood they were erased or destroyed by him. Moreover who would reactivate them, even given the chance? Few people even knew about the Ministry's true nature and the Solarian people were kept completely ignorant of the actions of Krelian, and he had loyalists like Miang installed in the chain of command beneath him. On top of that, after Ramsus killed Krelian and Miang, Krelian's body regenerated almost immediately thanks to the nanomachines implanted into his body. What could the Ministry possibly do to him?
>> Anonymous
Ah, Xenogears. What is it about PS1 FMV that had such impact?

The best of the Xenogears and FF7 cutscenes, to name two, are just more awesome than anything I can remember watching in the last few years.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>560342

FMV ruined the second disc of Xenogears. Significant amounts of the game were cut to fit the FMV on the disc.

What amounts of the game? The Mass Driver, Soylent facility, Mahanon, Merkava and so on were all intended to be fully playable dungeons. There were more Anima dungeons with Relics (and thus Omnigears) for Maria and Emeralda. And Elly's Omnigear battle at the Execution Site was supposed to be playable. Instead you get the Chair Scene, over and over.
>> Anonymous
>>560366
I heard that it was less a matter of cutscenes and more a matter of cut funding for the project and pressure from Squaresoft to release earlier. Considering that most of the team that made Xenogears left Square shortly after, I think the latter is the real reason.
>> Da Mister
>>560406
Correct, but there was one more reason: Tetsuya Takahashi planned all 6 chapters to be released as a huge saga in the following 10-12 years, Squaresoft was unsure about investing in it; only Final Fantasy was worth that much risk, and then again, each game was different from each other.

So indeed most of the team left and attracted Namco´s interest to provide the fundings.

Sure, the second part feels too pushed, clearly the developers were pressed because of time-funds.

>>560247
Well, in past lifetimes, Elly sacrificed herself because of love, but Cain killed previous reincarnations of both once (Cain killed Abel, quite familiar, isn´t it?) in hopes to stop their infinite rebirth, to prevent te awakening of Deus.

The word Zohar was sacred in ancient times, it was the "Book of Splendor" (Kabalah), this old religion served as basis for Judaism, hence, the creation of ancient Christianism.

You remember the Pleroma asteroid, which was explored in Xenosaga Ep. I -Der Wille zur Macht-?, the symbol that old religion had ( it was used as temple centuries ago ) for "fulness" as meaning in Greek, the spiritual world for Gnostic believers, ( you know the Gnostic Gospels, supposed to be heretic, right? ), home of the supreme being and aeons, just as Greek pantheons.

We haven´t taken Xenosaga as subject yet! ( the first Episode even included a glossary for all therms and references ), would you like to discuss about it?, or Xenogears is still fine?
>> Da Mister
>>560247
Fei and Elly were finally free, because Deus needed them to be "available" frecuently, they wouldn´t reincarnate anymore because they destroyed Deus once and for all.