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Anonymous
I want to know how anime licensed in the US can always get away with showing obviously underaged girls nude.

Post examples and their age, and explain to me how it's legal along the way.

I'll start with Yuri, age 17, so this won't immediately be labeled as a loli thread.
>> Anonymous
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Mii on the left. Age 11.
>> Anonymous
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Asuka, age 14(Unless she's gotten a little older than that in this movie).
>> Anonymous
That's because they aren't real. Drawings don't have ages. And even if you wanted to say that they did... all you would have to say is that they are 18 year old characters playing younger characters.
>> Anonymous
>>513752

Truth. If you ever see english released hentai games the websites selling them always say that the girls are over 18 in the game, and since they are drawn, you can't really argue.
>> VZ
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I've talked to the people of Media Blasters and asked them about bringing the original Cream Lemon on DVD. They said they want to but that the characters looked kinda young (bullshit IMO).
>> Anonymous
Loli Caska in the Berserk anime. Sorry I don't have a pic on me.
>> Anonymous
i've played h-games where they pretty much said the characters were 1st year highschoolers. which ment they were just 16
>> Anonymous
>>513753
But certain anime (such as Ranma 1/2) actually state the girls aren't 18...
>> Anonymous
Because it's not a crime?
>> Anonymous
>>513922
obviously they're students who've failed and been held back twice
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ropponmatsu is a robot, but was designed by a pedophile.
>> Anonymous
I thought the laws said that the people have to be "identified" as being underage. Like with a birth certificate.
>> Anonymous
Actually there have been a couple of laws put on the books in the past few years intended to target simulated child porn. There are also lots of general pornography/obscenity/morality laws makes such material illegal. Since such laws are so general and ill defined there are almost no attempts to enforce them except for in backwords self righteous bible communities. And then they only target small business owners or comic/zine creators and not the big distribution people since the big guys have the money to defend themselves from such idiocy.
>> Anonymous
It's legal for the same reason it's legal to make movies about murder.

It's not real.
>> Anonymous
>>513922
But with those, they just say they are attending prep colleges and the case is closed.

As for how the US gets away with it? US government doesn't care? Since after that bullshit Amber Law, it is technically illegal to have anyone who is depicted underage nude. Even in art form.

We could all go to jail if they wanted to prosecute us.
>> Anonymous
i remember a long discussion and links explaining its legal as long as its a drawing.

the main reason being, a child doesnt have the mentality or rational thinking, to decide if what they are doing is right/wrong (to do porn)

while a drawing is a different story.

and as the case of Etna, she has the body of an 8 year old, but is like thousands of years old.

with logic like that, they cant really prevent "animated" child porn, unless it promotes the idea of having sex with children.
>> Anonymous
No imagine my disappointment at the lack of more dirty pair flash.
>> Anonymous
>>514487

What if I made an animu where guys have sex with infants that are still in their mother's womb? Apart from the fact everyone here would be demanding a copy of course.
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>>513995
Gojyou Shiouji isn't a pedophiles. If you read the manga, you will find out why he is scared of the boobs, and why he sits on a park bench while watching little girl. It's definitely not because he is sexually attracted to them.
>> Anonymous
>>514570
Except that he is.
>> Anonymous
>>514560
This isn't /b/.
>> Anonymous
>>514570
>>514572
I think it's a little more subtle than that. The way I see it, he's a lolicon. In his world, lolis - that is, the kind of impossibly cute girly caricatures that lolicons lust after - DO exist. It's a kind of break-the-fourth-wall gag. That's the way I see it, anyway.

Of course, none of that matters if you happen to think lolicons and pedophiles are the same thing. ¯\(º_o)/¯
>> Anoniminous
Non-bitchy little girls are the cutest thing outside of a Baker's dozen of kittens. Do I want to have sex with them? Hell no. I want a girl in her late-20s who not only has taken care of herself, but is also decently self-sufficient.
>> Anonymous
I think everyone's missing something important here. All of the anime that have been mentioned aren't hentai, they aren't pornography. There's sometimes nudity, often pretty mild and undetailed, but nudity in itself is not sexual.

I will admit, however, it's sometimes a little surprising how much of it they can get away with in the US. But in Japan especially, nudity isn't such a taboo. Just look at My Neighbour Totoro, the father bathes with his two daughters, which might be considered 'dodgy' in US culture.

But hey, we saw Bart's weiner in the Simpsons movie and they got away with that, so meh.
>> Anonymous
wow....first off to even get angry or care how young ANIME girls are nude is just gay..GTFO and jump off a bridge....but to let it start a tangent of mindless discussion on the subject is just sad.....SHUT THE FUCK UP EVERYONE!!
>> Major Damage
Forget about censorship in the US, haven't any of you heard? Australia has banned Puni Puni Poemy because of the loli in it. They aren't exactly the far right wing as far as nations currently go, they're more to the far left.

The US constitution's first amendment protects lolicon art believe it or not, though it does depend on where you're busted with it at. In Texas they'd probably hang you for it, San Fran the gay Bay, let it ride.

If you do enjoy lolicon, the best thing to do is keep it to yourself. It may be legal, but it just isn't right.
>> Anonymous
Lolicon is legal in the US, but you might need to take it to Supreme.

As a /d/eviant, I assure you that I get the same feeling from monster girls (goo, spider, tree or otherwise) that I do from lolis. They're monsters with human characteristics, as kids can't give consent and lolis can.

A 'fantasy' only creature in multiple ways, I suppose. If you wish to argue with this, it would be best to go along the lines of 'Horo lovers like her for her animal features and are therefore zoophiles', as it parallels and is reasonable. Then again, I'm not sure I want to have sex with spiders, despite my fetish for their monster girl category, so who knows.
>> Anonymous
Admit it Ron, you want the spiders.
>> Anonymous
The only lolicon that is illegal is pictures of actual children. You could generate a hyper-realistic child using 3D software in a compromising position and it's protected by the 1st Amendment.
>> Anonymous
>>516304

Wow... that sentence was grammatically awkward.

Unless people use 3D software which in compromising positions... I've never used a program like that.
>> Casterday !8r7Y.c3LZA
>>516304

correctamundo!!! Lolicon = safe, CP = BAN AND PRISON SENTENCE + 25 YEARS REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER
>> Anonymous
>>515975
>If you do enjoy lolicon, the best thing to do is keep it to yourself. It may be legal, but it just isn't right.
How isn't it right? I admit it, anime lolis are hot, but it's not like I want to have sex with children, for christ's sake.
>> Anonymous
It's legal because they're not actual girls.
>> Anonymous
How do diaper commercials get away with it? Those sick bastards.
>> Anonymous
>>516304

It's not like the States have been sticking to their constitution lately.


As for the thread topic.. I don't even understand why there's any debate about whether manga/anime showing underage nudity/sexuality should be illegal.

I mean, think about it logically. Why is CP outlawed in the first place? To protect children from being abused (and rightfully so!).

Does lolicon or anything related harm or otherwise influence children in any way, shape or form? No. So why is there any question about its legality?

If what you're doing does not cause some form of harm to anyone there's no damn reason for it to be illegal.
>> Anonymous
>>516369
Your opinion does not reflect with the majority population. Cartoons of children disgust and scare people and people will place lolicon in with real child pornography. We tolerate it here because we are not normal people, it does not offend us as much, it's still a disgusting fetish but we don't really care here. Don't try and defend it as good when it is not.
>> Anonymous
>>515975
Here in San Fransisco they would make you stand on the street corner for the rest of your life with a sign that says "stone me i'm a pedophile".
>> Anonymous
>>516369
>If what you're doing does not cause some form of harm to anyone there's no damn reason for it to be illegal.

You're right, but then man-made tenets of "virtue" and "morality" come in to play.
>> Anonymous
>>516372
Well, lots of things scare/disgust people and yet aren't illegal. Also, it's still a matter of opinion. I might think gay porn is disgusting, but it's still legal.
>> Anonymous
>>516377
most gay people will find lolicon disgusting
>> Anonymous
>>516372
see
>>516046

CP is evil. Loli is debatable.
>> Anonymous
>>516638
Most will think loli leads to CP, and is therefore evil.
Some will then counter that loli is a harmless, legal avenue for pedophiles to let some steam off and should stay legal.
>> Anonymous
>>516638
Most will think loli leads to CP, and is therefore evil.
Some will then counter that loli is a harmless, legal avenue for pedophiles to let some steam off and should stay legal.
...And AROUND WE GO.
>> Anonymous
More example pics, plz.
>> Anonymous
I love when people outside the US try to explain US law. It's very simple. A depicted underage drawing is legal in the US as long as it can not be identified as a real person nor was a real person used as a model to render or draw the depiction. Since there is no human on this earth that looks like any anime character then it is legal to view them here in the US. Also the example in the OP said Kei is 17. In case you did not know, the age of consent for girls in the US is 17 with parental permission.
>> Anonymous
>>516876

AMBER changed that actually. Loli isn't really legal in the states right now.
>> Anonymous
>>516876
I love how people in the US incorrectly generalize US law. States rights! Age of consent differs per state. And age of consent doesn't really matter, because you have to be 18 to do porn. So a man can fuck a 17 year old (depending on state... but i think most are consent by 17) but can't take pix!

the more you know =*
>> Anonymous
>>516773
This topic is about to be deleted and you probably won't see this, but children are not considered human necessarily until they are fully developed. Sexual interactions will harm them and usually ruin their lives as they were damaged during their formation into a full human being.

Lolis are humans that share the traits from the 'animal' known as a child. The 'taboo' aspect likely draws fans as well, but the draw may not be inherently the sexualizing of actual children.