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ENTANGLE Anonymous
missed this from masterbloodfer. anyone has the rest? rapidshare if you may.
>> Anonymous
http://rapidsearch.yi.org/?s=entangle

How hard can it be to find it yourself? It's all over the net.
>> Anonymous
i need to lurk moar
>> Anonymous
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masterbloodfer's has the the hi-res version though.
>> Anonymous
different anon here. could i get a torrent of these hi re? hell i'll take a torrent of the non hi res just as long as i can get it (cant get it from rapidshare as im behind a proxy)

i even missed out on that koh kawajima rapidshare sigh...
>> Anonymous
low-res torrent

http://www.moelicious.be//bt/torrents/%5BMoe%5D(C71)%5BT2_ART_WORKS%5D_ENTANGLE.rar.torrent
>> Anonymous
>>222064lol, that ass is posted soo much.. that picture was based off of a real image.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>222172
Really? Proof.
>> Anonymous
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>>222300
how's this
>> Anonymous
>>222321
I was abouts to shot web, until I noticed the Asian girl resembles my niece. Fucker.
>> Anonymous
except that position is one of the most common positions for any model.... hell you can prob find that position in the early porno mags.
>> Anonymous
wtf no it's not.
either way you can clearly tell it was used as reference.
At least it's not a blatant copy.
>> Anonymous
>>222382
There's no doubt about it. That's a copy. The entire body is drawn in the exact same pose and angle as the reference. Heck, she's even using the exact same bathing suit, only in different colors.

Lost a lot of respect for Tony after seeing this.
>> Anonymous
OMG, good artists use references, I'm shocked.

Also (this can be shocking too, brace yourselves), lots of pics share the same pose.
>> Anonymous
>>222395
Who said anything about reference? There's a difference between that and blatantly copying a picture to the point where the majority can be traced.
>> Anonymous
>>222396

It's not traced. You should be able to tell the differences in both pics if you know how to draw.

Another shocking truth: there are people that don't need to trace to be faithful to the original image.
>> Anonymous
And when did I say it was traced? I said it's copied to the point where it can be traced, meaning he was so lazy that he didn't bother coming up with an original pose.
Copying something is not a skill.
>> Anonymous
>>222398

So, accurately copying a pose without tracing it is not a skill? I guess anyone can do it with no effort or preparation then.

And, to draw complex poses like these, you usually have to use a reference until you master it, and while T2 is a great artist he has field to improve. I don't think that using a pose from a photography is a sin.
>> Anonymous
>>222405
No, copying a picture requires almost no skill, and it certainly doesn't help you improve, since you don't have to consider depth, anatomy, why the lines look like they do, and so on. Drawing from your imagination forces you to focus on all these things.
Personally I haven't copied anything since my first few months of drawing, and I don't respect artists who do. Sucks, since Tony is one of my favorite artists.
>> Anonymous
>>222406

Yuh, all the artists need to spend the big bucks and hire models to pose for them like all the "respectiful" artist do!
>> Anonymous
>>222421
You're a fucking idiot. Comic artists don't use models. They use what's inside their fucking heads.
>> Anonymous
PORN ARGUEMENT
>> Anonymous
>>222406

I take you never tried to draw seriously, or never tried to grasp human form accurately.

Copying accurately needs lots of skill in anatomy, it's madness to say otherwise. And it indeed helps you to improve, and there's where I know you don't know art in depth. When you try to imitate a figure you don't simply draw by what you see, you have to apply laws, draw the base of the pose (positioning the head, the shoulders, how the limbs are connected, how they behave on perspective), which needs both previous knowledge and skill.

You can't seriously say that someone can grasp (in a realistic way) human anatomy by imagining it.

Once you know how all the anatomy rules work you can draw by yourself with little errors, and that's after copying a lot.
T2 is in this stage of copying, obviously. He draws pretty, but has trouble with perspective in his doujins, so it's not weird to see him copying photographs if he wants to keep improving.
>> Anonymous
>>222426
Quite obviously you know nothing about drawing. You're just spouting theoretical bullshit that doesn't apply to anything, especially not comic art.
Tony's style of anatomy hasn't improved much in the past ten years (though he has gotten better in other areas) so no, he does not need to copy stuff.

Anyone who's been drawing for a little while will know basic anatomy. For comic artists, this is even more natural, since you don't have to worry about exact realism.

Copying requires NO skill in anatomy. It only required skill in being able to observe and copy. There's even an influential book written on this, called "Drawing on the right side of your brain", which most amateur artists have heard about. The whole point is that drawing from real life only requires copying what you see, nothing else. However, it doesn't teach you to draw from the imagination.

Only by drawing from your imagination (with reference if needed) can you actually use all the skills you mentioned, because then you can't just copy what you see, but you have to think about about how depth affects lines, how the light falls, how gravity affects clothing and the basic pose, and so on. If you draw by sight, you don't have to think about it, because you can already see it.

Anyway, you sound like a failed artist with no imagination whatsoever. I suggest you try to draw freely, rathering than getting stuck in the mud, only knowing how to copy.

As for myself, I may not be a great artist yet, but my attempts at drawing Tony's Shining Tears characters were relatively well received in /h/ the other day.
>> Anonymous
ANONYMOUS HAS JOINED THE PARTY

You don't know what you're talking about. copying with no understanding of the subject renders shit results, unless you're fucking tracing it. Put your half-formed opinions away and go and sulk in the quiet corner, you whiny self-opinionated prick.
>> Anonymous
>>222434
Look, you should shut the fuck up if you've never drawn in your life.
There are tons of artists who can copy real life pictures, but a lot of them don't know shit about drawing from their imagination.
However, most skilled comic artists have no problems drawing from real life.
>> Anonymous
>>222430

Accurate anatomy applies to comic art too, unless you like shitty artists, of course.

Your statement that copying requires no skill is utterly stupid and ridiculous, because it means that anyone with no knowledge or skill at art can pull an accurate representation of anatomy with no effort. This is obviously bullshit, so no further discussion is needed over this point.

You draw from imagination succesfully once you have a full grasp of anatomy, when you can pull any pose with no need of reference. You need to copy and retain the knowledge of the rules that apply to a certain pose before you can draw from imagination. You can't imagine the Theory of Relativity with no previous knowledge, you have to base on what you know of reality first.

Another thing that shows that you really don't know what you are talking about is that you associate copying with just drawing the aspect of a model figure, with no thought, intelligence, learning, memorization, etc. involved in the process. Unless you copy for the sake of copying, you learn how to apply the rules of perpective to that pose, which often is ill represented if you just imagine it with no theory.

Yes, I still have to copy and learn to represent advanced poses (and in hentai these are the most usual ones, LOL), but I can use my imagination for anything that doesn't escape from my knowledge.

>>As for myself, I may not be a great artist yet, but my attempts at drawing Tony's Shining Tears characters were relatively well received in /h/ the other day.

Waitwaitwait. So you are the one who mimics Tony's style in /h, and you give a lecture about imagination and how you don't have to copy before you can freely create?
>> Anonymous
>>222430
You seriously need to check the bullshit attitude at the door. I've been drawing for a long time, and know lots of good artists. Plenty of them use real pictures for reference. It's -not- copying. Hell, it isent even the exact same pose. If you argue that it is, your -very- blinded by your own opinion.
>> Anonymous
Oh my god

/e/ never shuts up
>> Anonymous
>>222442
Thank you for proving you are the greatest idiot on 4chan.
I'll write this in caps, since you're apparently too dumb to understand what I'm discussing here:
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN USING REFERENCE AND COPYING.
If you copy, you don't learn anything about anatomy. If you use reference, you don't merely replicate what you see, you try to draw it in your own fashion. For example, if a person was to use the picture of the girl above as reference, he could try to memorize the pose, then draw it without looking at it. He would then have to use his own skill to draw it, and would learn from it if he compared it to the original afterwards, and tried correcting the mistakes. That way, he's done the entire pose from his own imagination, without copying a single line. He can see where he's gone wrong.
Copying a pictures only teaches you one thing: to copy. Seriously, go ask a few portray artists to draw something without looking, and see what the result is.

Also, I think my Shining Tears pics are the perfect example of what I'm saying. If I looked at a Tony picture and merely copied it, I could probably make one that's nearly indistinguishable from the original. However, drawing a picture on your own, is considerably harder, and requires a lot more skill. Obviously, you're too dumb to see the difference.

>>222443
Stop lying. No, it's not the exact same pic, but the bottom part is. Even the folds in the clothing are the same. Heck, he drew the exact same clothes! Also, look at her legs. That's just blatantly copying the lines. The only difference is the head and arms, and a slight tilting of the picture.
>> Anonymous
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When the amount of text posts exceeds the amount of pics posts in /e/, you know there's a problem.

On with the hot poses from this fellow, please.
>> Anonymous
>>222430
I agree with the rest, you need to shut the fuck up you piece of shit. You mimicking Tony's art in the first place makes you a hypocrite and unimaginative cumstain. Do the god damn world a fucking favor and shut the fuck up and get rid of you damn Tony Taka shit if you fucking don't like him. Go in a FUCKING gas chamber you FUCKING JEW! FUCK YEAH
>> K.the_one
That's because they sipmly know how to draw. If you can built a character and it's surroundings in your mind and then move it onto the paper/tablet/screen/canvas etc., drawing from a real-life model won't be a problem to you. Anyway EVERY professionaly skilled artist goes through "draw what you see in front of you" stage. Combined with "draw what you would like it to look like" it gives the best results. What you call copying is actualy drawing with a reference. Copying appears when you take an reference image, put a blank sheet over it and follow every line you need from the RF img. This technique gives you nothing but shit. It doesn't even train your hand that much. It's better trying to make an exact copy of a drawing by looking at it. that teaches you to drwa what you can observe and makes you learn how thing realy look like. However, building an object from its basics to cover is the best way. To draw a box you see you may use 9 lines (to show it in all 3D). But if you draw the very ame box showing all its edges (even those hidden) will give you understanding of the construction of your object and the ability to turn it any ways. A simple example, but it's enough:

1) take a photo of a box of matches and draw over its edges - you've drawn (copied?) a box.
2) look at that box and draw it - you made it yourself.
3) look at thebox and try to find and understand all elements it contains: edges and sides - you have BUILT an object while drawing it
4) now you don't need any box to draw it - you know how to make it yourself
>> K.the_one
An artist while learning goes through all these steps and the final result is the ability to draw without reference, but thamks to understaning and/or knowing how the object would appear from any side. Nearly every book (and teacher) teaching you how to draw using just imagination tells you one rule: from basics to finishing touches. First draw smth like a skeleton - just a rag doll made of a few lines. Then add some box/round shaped materia, then curve it as you UNDERSTAND it would curve if bent/turned/twisted as you want it. The retouche the image and add last details.

So... Copying is no good. drawing with a reference is OK. But real expert can draw what hi/she's got in his/her mind just like that. Think of it looking from another side: there are things that may appear you would never expect them to look that way (perspectives, fish eye, background/main object zoom). Everybody needs to learn. Everybody can choose one's own way.

So, Anonymous, Anonymous and Anonymous, copying gives you nothing, drawing with a reference skills your eyes and hand, but only BUILDING the object gives you true skills. You would learn that all in an Arts School. Unless you've never been to any...

Greeting and good luck :D
P.S. And, please, people are having a discussion here. So, if you can't catch up, just STFU and stay quiet, wakaru ka?
>> Anonymous
What the fuck happened in this thread? I saw some hot pictures, and then there are so many words....
>> Anonymous
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>>222430

I'll prove to you MORON of the century that your argument is absolutely flawed and idiocy in the minds of all art instructors. I dare you to come up with a drawing of your own face from MEMORY ALONE and compare that to how well you can draw as best a perfect replica of your face with a reference photo/image.

Do it to prove you are not ignorant or you may only continue to wallow around in your shameful idiocy. Or perhaps if you're not particularly a people drawing person, than draw a picture of a 1975 Shelby Mustang from memory and see how that compares to using a reference - you will NOT be capable in making an accurate depiction of what I suggested because your logic is stupid, and representative of a 7th grade child who should just be banned rather than allowed to spread his worthless banter across any medium ever.

By the way dumbass - did it ever occur to you that perhaps Tony wasn't copying in the sense that he lacks the skill necessary to draw that pose but perhaps was inspired by how beautiful a woman and pose that was that he had to create something similar? I for one find that particular picture of Mihiro Tamiguchi incredibly hot, and many times I've seen pictures/poses that are just so cool that they inspire me to think along their lines, like this one in particular.
>> Anonymous
Personally I don't have a problem with an ugly real model being turned into a hot anime character.

2d complex. It's a blessing, not a curse.
>> Anonymous
>>222453
No. Copying is copying. That is, if you create a replica of whatever you're drawing, you've copied a picture, whether you trace it or draw it by sight.
The best way to learn how to draw, is to go directly to step three. Learn the theoretical stuff behind it, so that you understand what you draw, rather than just replicating the lines.


>>222451
You're a pathetic little shit, you know that? I'm surprised you even know how to use a computer, if you can't tell the difference between original fanart, and copying a picture.
>> Warren !WSxruxpIJs
Sage because this is just retarded
>> Anonymous
>>222463
LOL! Thanks for showing me that you're another complete idiot. Goddamn, doesn't anyone of you know how to read? Of course I use reference, I've never said there's anything bad with that. Jesus Christ, you people are fucking stupid. My God!

Why did you post a 3d render, btw?
>> Anonymous
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he sucks at tracing lines i guess
>> Anonymous
>>222446

LOL, you are a complete waste of bandwith. So, assuming for a moment your retarded way of thinking, you can tell if T2 closed his eyes to memorize the picture or if he just watched it?

What you say wouldn't necessarily use intelligence or knowledge, because it's basically placing an existing image in your mind; you aren't imagining.
Do you realize that memorizing an image is the same than just watching it for your point? You are only doing an effort of memory.

If you follow those guidelines yourself, you are doing the same you critizise; you don't learn a thing by just memorizing poses. You have to memorize the steps, the rules, and the procedure to achieve a good representation of the figure, not the figure itself.

I see a pose I don't know how to draw. I try to make the base, learn how to place everything correctly, and then finish the drawing, and see if I did a good work or not. Then, I repeat that pose a lot with the knowledge I acquired until it's accurate enough. And then, with no reference, I do similar poses, since I know the procedure to draw them.

That's what you don't understand yet. You have to capture the essence of the pose, you don't just memorize every form of the original image, you memorize the procedure and then you apply it to similar situations (poses).

Of course most portray artists wouldn't draw your face exactly the same without looking at it, but if they are good, they can draw / paint a human face from scratch, with the gathered knowledge they have from copying and analizing countless models in the past.

In this case, T2 copied most of the pose and added some things. If this is the first time he draws that pose, he would have done it shittily, but in the future he will be able to draw similar poses if he needs to, based in this knowledge if he focused in learning the pose.
>> Anonymous
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>>222446

Drawing a picture on your own obviously needs more knowledge, that's why you have to copy and learn from it before, dumbass. If you get better, you will not need to mimic Tony's like you do now and use your own style.
>> Anonymous
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>>222446

You FAIL. Gb2/middleschool.
>> Anonymous
I feel guilty for having spent time on this dumbass =/
>> Anonymous
>>222472
Wait, what? You see a pose you don't know how to draw? How does that work? Don't you know how the human body works? In that case, thank you! Thank you so much! This is exactly what I'm talking about.
You're describing exactly how you've become dependent on copying picture to be able to draw. You can't do it by yourself, unless you've seen a pose before, or if you've memorized it.

This is not how you're supposed to learn how to draw. If you know anatomy and have some experience in drawing, you can draw any pose at any angle, without the use of reference.

Also, here's a picture, showing the difference between copying and using reference, since most of you seem to be too dumb to understand it.

If you use A to create B, you've copied the picture. They're essentailly the same picture.
If you use C to create D, you've used reference. They are different pictures, but the artist used picture C to see how Saber looks in order to draw her. He hasn't copied anything.
>> Anonymous
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Forgot the picture...
>> Anonymous
>>222474
yeah cause it's obviously different when no one point on the picture is matched anywhere remotely on the other
>> Anonymous
Never mind this loser guys, he's worse than Hitler and Saddam put together, no matter how much you try to coerce or communicate with him, his response is only a volatile, uncompromising, narrow-minded and self-serving view that no other person shares but himself and no one will be convinced by it likewise.

He has failed at all attempts to redeem himself and his completely subjective views while insulting Tony's dignity by attesting that he is a fan and one of such low intelligence and such low caliber that he'd resort to copying said artist's style with out conscience.

Time and words are lost on this guy, I feel suffocated just thinking I'm somehow sharing the air he breathes.

Btw, grow a damn style of your own before you give lessons to other people on drawing, you have no originality or creativity, you are exactly what you say you hate - making you a hypocrite.
>> Anonymous
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>>222474
No, you fail. You can't just slap one picture on top of the other, without resizing and rotating, you fucking moron.
And I never said he traced it. Geh.
>> Anonymous
>>222484
So, because I created two picture that resemble Tony's style, I don't have a style of my own?
And are you really so fucking stupid that you don't realize that Tony makes a LIVING out of doing exactly what I did, namely making fanart?

Again, the collective idiocy of Anonymous amazes me.
>> Anonymous
Agreed, for all we know this art nut fuck will probably just keep going on his so called experience, then after he wins an arguement that'll increase his e penis in his own mind, he'll go back to masterbating to Tony's artwork, because he probably doesn't give a fuck
>> Anonymous
>>222488

Then I guess you should be satisfied living your dream and knowing one of your favorite artists is a good for nothing hack just like you. Congratulations.
>> Anonymous
god, seriously - give it a rest
>> Anonymous
>>222489
>>222490
Well, I guess you're right. Since you apparently have to make up things with no base in reality when attacking me, I guess I do win the argument. Fine, if you want to attack my views, do that, but don't make up views or ideas about me that aren't real, and attack those. I mean, I can't argue against things I don't agree with. I don't draw like Tony, I did two pics where I tried to replicate his style. You know, reference as opposed to copying, like I've tried to explain to your fuckwits in the entire thread.
Christ...
>> Anonymous
>>222493

So good sir, then why don't you explain your initial view where you claim Tony was just a hack and copied the picture and he didn't use it in the same method as you described should be used to learn how to draw correctly? How is the way he used to the photo to create his own image different from your philosophy of learning how to draw? Please elaborate.
>> Anonymous
>>222495
I don't recall calling him a hack. I just lost respect for him, knowing he copies, when he clearly doesn't need to. That doesn't mean I dislike his overall style.
Anyway, haven't I already done that several times already? Copying a picture, is copying lines that are already there.
Using reference means that you use a picture to understand how something works, or how something looks. For example, let's say you have several pictures of a hand. Rather than copying the pictures of the hand, you use them to understand how a hand works, and how it would look in another pose. Basically, you use it to learn how to draw hands in poses you don't necessarily have pictures of.
The same goes for character art. If I'm going to draw an anime character, I need to know how that characters looks, but that doesn't mean I have to copy the exact lines of an existing pictures. I just need to know what her hair style looks like, what clothes she wears, what body type she has, what her face looks like. See the difference?
I really don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Only on 4chan have I met artists who don't agree with this. On all artboards I've been to, these are more or less unwritten rules.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>222501

I'm sorry, Tony used the picture to understand the pose, to understand how the weight of the fat and muscle of the thighs and legs would appear when they overlap each other in that position, and he used the image to understand how the tight form-fitting clothing would squeeze around the skin so that he may create an image that may more true to life amongst many things. You sir are condemning some one for following your own views.
>> Anonymous
>>222507
No, he didn't. He redrew the lines, with minor variations.
And his picture really has nothing to do with learning. He already knows how to draw, and probably did he because he was lazy.
>> Anonymous
i loev this epic thread
>> Anonymous
>>222509

Did you stare over his shoulder and watch him draw it the way you claim he did? Honestly, I could do exactly both things that you are saying with any picture given time but you would claim with your omniscient sense of observation that I did not utilize any "skill" which you recognize. You would rather impart your own views with out regard to any other person's perspective.
>> Anonymous
Let this tool alone guys, he himself mimics Tony's style (but he closed his eyes and memorized it while doing it, so it's cool), so we know all he says is a pile of horseshit.

Top-tier trolling, though.
>> Anonymous
>>222512
I don't see what you're getting at. The pictures are so similar that there really is no doubt that he looked at it and copied it while drawing his own. Do you somehow disagree with this?

Hmm, if I dig up a picture Tony's drawn, and create a picture that's about 90% similar to it by copying it (not tracing), would you say that picture looks good because I've drawn it with my own skill, or because Tony's original picture was good to begin with?
>> Anonymous
>>222515
Please explain where I've said it's wrong to mimic someone's style in two fanart pictures.

Also, please show me where I've copied a picture, which is the ONLY thing I've said is a negative thing to do.
>> Anonymous
>>222516

Good day to you, you're thoroughly convinced me to close my browser window and find something better to do than listen to a re-imagined, retelling of Bush's account of the 911 reports.
>> Anonymous
I love how this retard thinks that one magically copies a pose without any previous knowledge and skill. I'll tell my 4 year old brother to draw a pose similar to this picture, I'm sure he will be able to do it with good anatomy.

What an idiot, please.
>> Anonymous
>>222517

So I guess you didn't copy Tony's faces, you just imagined them before they existed and not by looking at them.

How can someone be THAT stupid?
>> Anonymous
>>222519
>>222518
Actually, you people're the ones arguing like Bush. Since you have no arguments of your own, you create fake arguments (WMDs OMG) and attribute them to me, and then attack me based on that. Good going.
>> Anonymous
>>222520
Amazing. I'm the only non-troll on 4chan.

No, I did not copy any of Tony's pictures. I tried understanding how he draws faces by looking at his pictures, and then tried to imitate the style he used. I never copied any of his existing pictures, but used his art for reference to create different pictures in a similar style (not that I really succeeded).
>> ZR74
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fuckin haters, Tony is god. STFU and fap already
>> Anonymous
/e/, your having a fucking /b/ moment
>> Anonymous
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angle of hips
position of left AND right arm.
A total copy huh?Be more observant eh?
>> Anonymous
>>222522

>No, I did not copy any of Tony's pictures.

So, why do the faces you draw look a lot like Tony's? =0

> I tried understanding how he draws faces by looking at his pictures, and then tried to imitate the style he used.

Oh, so you basically did what I've been saying all the time while you were bitching, you COPIED the faces he did (because they have to look like T2 faces, you are copying) and tried to understand the rules that applied to their structure, to be able to draw them without reference later.

I like that you are beginning to understand. But... What's this?!

>I never copied any of his existing pictures,

But, you said "and then tried to imitate the style he used"... Guess what T2 did? Imitated the original pose by looking and trying to understand it! The question is, then:
>> Anonymous
>>222525

Posting the worst thing Tony has ever drawn doesn't really back up your argument.
>> Anonymous
The T2 copy-cat thinks that drawing is only a natural talent, not a learned one, all of his arguments say this. He has not indulged or much less acknowledged any slight possibility that any one else's ideas are feasible.

For one when I said that a person can be inspired by the beauty or coolness of another image such that he/she might create something like that on his own, that sentence completely blew over his head just as easily as everything else that's been said.
>> Anonymous
>>222536
Holy God! You hiveminded retards really know NOTHING about drawing. NOTHING. I don't know how to explain it any clearer. I've done it time and time again.
I never copied any of his pictures. Fuck, this is frustrating. It's like trying to explain something to a four year old.
I did not copy any of his pictures.
I did not copy any of his pictures.
I did not copy any of his pictures.
A style is not a picture.
How... how can you be so dumb?
I did not copy any of his pictures.
I drew two pictures where I tried to imitate his style when drawing the faces. His style, see? You will not find the faces I drew in any of Tony's pictures, because I did not blatantly copy the exact lines Tony has drawn in his pictures. I tried to UNDERSTAND how Tony would draw his pictures, why the lines are there. Then I tried to create an entirely new pictures based on that, without copying any of Tony's art, but using his art as a basis for the STYLE I was going for. I used my own abilities to create the picture. I did not merely replicate an image that already exists.
I've never spoken out against using reference. If I draw a car, I'll look at a picture of a car, but I will not simply redraw that exact picture of the car, but draw a new picture of the car, in a different angle.

So, if I understand the hordes of /e/ correctly, you actually think it's not possible to create a fanart without copying an existing picture? Is that what you're saying?

>>222531
>> Anonymous
>>222544
You're a retard. I don't have a shred of talent, and have worked like a dog for what little skill I have. I haven't copied an image in six years, though, which was when I started drawing seriously. But you goddamned retards are so fucking stupid to see the difference of copying an image and using reference. It absolutely blows my mind how ignorant you people are. It's fucking insane. How can you not see that?
You say you can be inspired by an image? Sure as hell, but that doesn't warrant copying it. If I see a Tony pic I like, is it ok for me to make a copy of it, and call it mine? Should I say it "inspired me" and is therefore mine?
>> Anonymous
Hahaha.. oh wow

Stop bitching, you dickless titheads. I just like to fap to Tony's art.
>> Anonymous
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I hate you people who argue in any thread other than /b/.

Relieve your tension with some sperm and SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.
>> Anonymous
>>222554

>I don't have a shred of talent

That really explains it all, really.
>> Anonymous
>>222562
Explain what? The fact that I've had to work for my skill, and therefore have a lot of experience going in my favor?
Yeah, I agree.
>> Anonymous
> I tried to UNDERSTAND how Tony would draw his pictures, why the lines are there. Then I tried to create an entirely new pictures based on that, without copying any of Tony's art, but using his art as a basis for the STYLE I was going for. I used my own abilities to create the picture. I did not merely replicate an image that already exists.

Durr durr, you are copying, retard, if you draw like Tony YOU ARE COPYING, RETARD.

As much as T2 copied (and probably understood the laws of that pose) from that pic, and added some things. The difference is that he has his style and only uses references / copies / imitates difficult poses and you try to poorly imitate his style like a fag with no personality does.

Good night and enjoy your AIDS.
>> Anonymous
>>222564
Yeah but you bash other people who have worked for their own talent while using other methods that don't conform to your personal opinion. Honestly, you're probably not wrong in saying what you're thinking, you're just lost in the semantics of distinguishing your point, you just need to take several course in English comprehension to understand everyone else's points before attempting to make any judgments.
>> Anonymous
>>222564

No, that you don't have any talent so you need to use other's style, and obviouly have little skill seeing all the anatomic faults of your drawings (it's doubtful that you are the same guy in any case, but it's enjoyable to argue with retards like you).
>> Anonymous
less talk, more hot asses
>> Anonymous
>>222567
You're a sad little fuck. Are you envious because you can't draw, or what?
No, he blatantly copied the picture.
I imitated his style (actually, only the face) in two pictures, much in the same vein he does with other artists. If you haven't noticed, the entire doujinshi scene, with tens of thousands of aritsts do this.

>>222568
Well, when I meet an entire board full of stupid fucks, how else can I react? People are usually banned from art boards if they do what Tony did, and most art contests have specific rules that say you're not allowed to enter pictures that are copied, so it's not like I'm alone in this.

>>222570
I did it as an homage and they were only two pictures. See, this is what irritates me. You're so incredibly stupid that you haven't noticed that I said I only did two pictures in his style. You probably didn't see the other two images in the thread that were drawn in my own style, nor do you seem to realize that I have drawn hundrds of other pictures that have nothing to do with Tony. I never said my pics didn't have any anatomical errors either... granted that didn't stop /h/ from praising them.
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
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This faggotry has gone on long enough. Shut the fuck up, everyone.

To the main troll here: I admit, I'm no artist, but people here are saying is you can't draw (good) fan art unless you've seen and attempted THE POSE before. If I can sum this up properly, others are saying to adequately a girl sitting down, one must draw many different styles, which involves, yes, often, copying various forms and styles and positions of the way in which a girl sits. Once you've done this enough, one gets a feeling, and an understanding of the basics required to draw WITHOUT reference. When you go to dfraw a sitting girl now, you know where to put the base of the model. The buttocks, the knee, etc. Now you can combine these into a new image, with a pose that is similar in nature, though not the same, as the originals.

As a visual example, when a child first picks up crayons to draw a house, he will look at a picture of a house and will take the basics of basics. It may be a complex shape in reality, but the child will get a square with a triangle on top. Over time, with practice, the child learns to add more detail, and use other shapes. After time, the child can draw a unique house by combining the elements he used.

So, this means, if you want to draw character X from series Y in pose Z, you don't need to have seen X in Y in Z, you just need to know the structure of character X (clothes, height, body type, etc.) and how to draw a character in a pose similar in nature to pose Z. You don't need pose Z exactly, just practice with drawing similar anatomy, and combining this experience with the base model to create something new.

In this case, it looks like Tony to me took the basic lines of the legs/buttocks with a slight change in angle, and practiced variouses poses of the torso with her legs in such a position.

If this doesn't clear things up... well, hey, why don't we all just call each other names? That always gets things solved.
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>>222574

>You're a sad little fuck. Are you envious because you can't draw, or what?

I don't have scanned works, I have only a couple of unfinished drawings in PSP made with mouse (No stylus either). I may not be good, but at least try to have my own style =P
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>> Anonymous
>>222575
Well, that's what I disagree with, and I think that's the difference between good and bad artists. Good artists have enough experience in drawing from the imagination, that they can pull off poses they've never done before. I never copy poses, so at least I know that's what I do.
Bad artists can only draw by copying other poses first, I guess. Probably because they've used the retarded way of learning that 4tards seem to love.
That being said, I have no idea why Tony did it. There's no doubt in my mind that he could pull off that pose without looking at the picture, considering how simple it is.
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>>222585

With mouse and MS Paint, LOL
>> Anonymous
>>222583
Heh, so in your opinion, I don't have my own style, because I did two fanart pictures in a different style? Heck, it didn't even look much like Tony.
>> Anonymous
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Thank you so much ZR74 for derailing this god-awful artfag thread with these awesome pictures.
>> Anonymous
You live in a basement in the middle of nevada's nuclear testing grounds in the middle of nowhere, that's why you got nothing better to do than act like an ass munching fag lol
>> Anonymous
>>222592
I'm not a retarded American like you, and I've actually been using the time to draw.
I'll remember to laugh at you all, when I'm selling shit at C72.
>> Anonymous
>>222595

>I'm selling shit

Literally.
>> Anonymous
lol you know what's funny guys? Not the fact that this dude is trolling trying to argue that he is right and we are wrong, but the fact that we have actually ended up trolling him and now he's our little fuck-slave just getting pushed around, cummed on and shit on by the all of /e/ and the rest of 4Chan.
>> Anonymous
>>222598
Not quite. You're just making asses of yourself, without knowing it.
Besides, if I post more stuff, you'll probably start sucking my cock again, like you did a few days ago. "MOAR MOAR" "DO YOU HAVE A SITE?!" "DO ELWING!"
How does it taste, bitch?
>> Anonymous
>>222603

maybe because T2 can't do ST hentai and you are a mildly decent wannabe?

I prefer artists with personality myself. You know, people doesn't need to mimic a style to draw a certain character, LOL.
>> Anonymous
>>222607
I love 4tard arguments like that. You say 4tards like me because I tried to imitate his style, yet you whine that I'm not original. Make up your mind, kid.
It's funny to watch how people react to people's art based on personality. If I hadn't said anything in this thread, you'd probably be down on your knees now, but now that you dislike me, my art suddenly sucks.
Oh well, better to be hated, than to be like you hiveminded fucks.
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>>222610

Wow, thank god I don't suck like you, at least I have originality and a job in the field, and I didn't get where I was by not knowing wtf I was talking about.

Seriously though kid, take a few courses in art and listen to your teachers, you may not agree with them but they will teach you a lot. Once you have a degree and a full understanding of art then can you judge a person who is making a professional living off of his own art and then also you can understand the importance of being anatomically correct and competition in the market which may make you resort to being as realistic as possible.
>> Anonymous
Cunts

The whole lot...
>> Anonymous
>>222612
Seriously man... if that's what you can do, you should probably stop talking before a real artist shows up.
>> Anonymous
>>222616

No real artists have showed up before me, I can be pretty sure of that. Generic copy-cats don't count.
>> Anonymous
shut up shut up shut up shut up

except for ZR74, we like ZR74.
>> Anonymous
>>222612
LOL! You're so full of SHIT!
Do you actually want me to believe you work in the field, when you draw like that? Hah!
I may not be great (though I'm certainly better than you), but I've got time to improve, and there's no doubt in my mind that I'll make a decent living drawing.

I don't have too many problems with realism, or anatomy, though there's certainly much to improve. I've never denied that. In fact, I love working with anatomy and have about a dozen books on the subject. I know my weaknesses and strengths, and I know what I want to do. And doing fanart only makes me as generic as every other professional comic artist in the world. Heck, I'd say being able to adapt to more than one style is more original than only being able to draw the same shit.
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>> Anonymous
hey if you think your style can pass off in the work force why don't you post something then?
>> Anonymous
>>222622

>>222583,>>222585,>>222587and>>222612> You
>> Anonymous
>>222629
lol right. I guess you're one of the "artists" you're quoting.

>>222628
I don't plan to get a job as a normal illustrator. I plan to work on comics (and will start out at C72, if my buddy in Japan can get a spot for us).
>> Anonymous
>>222632

It's good to be optimistic, I won't argue that.
>> Anonymous
no you do suck that drawing looks like shit
>> Anonymous
>>222648
Right. I haven't actually posted my stuff in this thread.
>> Anonymous
lol this reminds me of that comparison pic of a loli 3way and the cp photograph it was traced from
>> Anonymous
>>222624
>>You guys are worse than if everyone in /b/ turned into furry politicians.

fix'd for truth.

saged for drama train.
>> Anonymous
Okay, so you hate T2 now, so what, no skin off my back
>> Anonymous
>>222687
Says who? I still like his crap. I just don't have much respect for him anymore.
>> Whistler
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I COPIED MY MOM, DOES THAT MEAN I SUCK AT DRAWINGS?!?! =(
>> Anonymous
>>222692
So does that mean you'll stop looking at T2 because his "crap" is lazy and filled with characters that look exactly the same?
>> Anonymous
>>222692
btw, how long have you been taking classes....? Just curious
>> Anonymous
sage for idiots
>> Anonymous
BLARGH
>> Anonymous
>>222697
Nope.
>>222701
No classes.
>> Anonymous
>>222705
No classes what so ever....

So...what's backing you up on this? Just your opinion right? Also, how long have you been drawing?

And you'll still bother with T2, even though your...respect...has drastically lowered? Shouldn't you be like....disgusted by his laziness?
>> Anonymous
>>222709
Common sense, and general consensus in the art community is what backs me up.

And yes, I'll still look at his art. I like how it looks, and it's not like all his stuff is copied.
>> Anonymous
>>222714
So that one possible time he copied a pose, you lost a majority of respect for him. So where would you place him now? Mediocre? Amateur? Unrefined?

So what do you say to those that argue with you, assuming they took classes and such...?

I'm just a little bored and tired tonight, so I'm playing curious george at the moment.
>> Anonymous
>>222714
Btw, how does common sense play into this...? Do you mean the similiarities between the pose and the pic T2 drew or...something else
>> Anonymous
>>222717
No, it's common sense that copying is not a good way to learn how to draw. I guess I should specify that this is particularly important in comic art, where you need to be able to draw several dynamic poses a day, if you're ever going to hope to publish anything. Basically, if you copy stuff, that's what you'll learn; to copy. If you draw with reference and from you imagination, that's what you'll learn.
In fact, the very teaching methods they use to teach how to draw from photos, is to look at the lines, and ignore the form. If you just copy exactly what you see, and how the lines relate to one another in 2d, you can learn to copy pictures quickly and easily, but that's also all you'll be able to do.
As I said, look up "Drawing on the right side of your brain".

>>222716
I don't think he's any less skilled, because he copied that picture. I just think he should stay above stuff like that, as he clearly doesn't need to do it.
>> Anonymous
>>222725
Perhaps he's just taking a doodling rest or something, you know? A break or so. It's not like he's publishing it to some major company like Sega(*shrugs* Shining Tears in the head) or something of that nature.

Now, lets say there was a model in a art class and you had to draw this model. Isn't that a form of copying? You're to simply draw the model and whatever pose it's in. Isn't that like what T2 did, but through from a 2-D stand point?
>> garga? Anonymous
Hey! I recognize those drawing!!
Gargamuza!!!!!!! wtf are you doing here?
I can't find you in the msn or in the forums =(
>> Anonymous
>>222728
Nah. It depends on what you're going for. It's a completely different way of drawing, as you're trying to draw something in 3d in 2d. A photo is already in 2d and easy to copy, but drawing from life is harder, since there are no lines to copy. Also, if you draw from real life, it's generally so obvious that it's based on real life, that it's no big deal.
The most common problem in comic art, especially among newbies, is that they want to show off, so they copy some other piece of art (for example, copying an existing Tony picture) and tries to pass it off as their own. Many even justify it by calling fanart, claiming it's completely original, even if they just traced the lines, or tried to make an almost exact replica of someone else's picture.
I got this vibe from Tony, even though that was probably not his intent. He just doesn't have to do it, so I don't like the fact that he did.
>> Anonymous
>>222736
And thus you have little respect for him...?
>> Anonymous
I dont know, it's not like he can just pick up some random woman and have her pose. And how do we know he just didn't copy other pics for his other works
>> Anonymous
>>222738
Yeah, I don't like artists who copy.

>>222740
He's probably done it before. Either way, I'm certain he draws most of his stuff without using reference. I mean, if I can do, he can certainly do it much better.
>> Anonymous
>>222750
Ahh I see....hmmm okay then. Alright. Well, i'm gonna ask some other people what they take as a verdict to this. Then ask some of the professors what they say about it as well. Thanks for sharing.
>> Anonymous
Art based on real life on my /e/?

It's more likely then you think.
>> Saging Jack !i1xIICM8a2
So did anyone find hte Highres shit of this??
is it in the http://rapidsearch.yi.org/?s=entangle?
Thank you.