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women's underwear in ancient Japan? Anonymous
just curious, but what did Japanese women wear underneath their robes in olden times? Did they, like the males, wear some kind of loincloth? Did they just use a strip of cloth to wrap around their waist and chest areas? Kanna in Air here seems to suggest they were going commando the whole time, but somehow, I doubt that.
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oh, and since this is in /e/ (I didn't know where else to put it), feel free to use any images of anime chicks that happen to answer my question. ^^
>> DS
>>358192
I have a purely scientific interest in this matter.
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Nanoha is saying that one must not wear underwear under a yukata
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>>358192
If I remember correctly, the true traditional way to wear a yukata in the olden days is going commando.
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well, most did wear a sumo loin cloth.
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Men wore a kind of loin cloth called a fundoshi. I've never heard anything about "traditional" women's underwear, so my guess is that Japanese women, like European women went without undergarments for a long time.
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Traditionally, one is not supposed to wear undergarments as we would think of them when wearing a kimono. Most traditional Japanese women's clothes have a special "under-robe" layer called a hiyoku that serves the purpose of an undergarment, but it is obviously not worn directly over the genitalia. Even if given the option, it would not make sense for a woman to wear something like a loincloth or a pair of panties under a kimono for a number of reasons. When a woman needed to use the bathroom, she would have to either disrobe or hike-up her kimono, in either case adding an additional piece of clothing to remove would elongate the process, or worse, cause the woman to let her kimono become dirty or wet from touching the ground. Kimonos were often also very thick, consisting of multiple layers and would not only be difficult to remove, but also very hot, so wearing additional layers under an already hot kimono was unnecessary.

Some women however, did practice breast-binding using a long length of bleached cloth called "sarashi" to achieve a younger, more modest appearance. Sarashi were also sometimes worn by people of both genders to provide a level of minimal protection from scratches and cuts as well as (in the case of onna bugeisha (warrior women of the buke class, which includes samurai)) help women bind their chests to appear more masculine.
>> Anonymous
Educational.
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Part of the appeal of the yukata is due not only to the fact that it is traditionally worn without undergarments as we would see them, but without hiyoku as well. Summer weather is usually very hot and women would often only wear a single layer kimono, which without the presence of undergarments, is akin to knowing every woman at a party is dancing around without any panties on. A very arousing situation indeed for any hot-blooded young man at a summer festival. Not only that, but it was an occasion for women to get a little frisky as well, since being socially allowed to parade in public without any underwear was understandably arousing for some women.
>> Anonymous
i thought the undergarment is just another layer which is more thinner and usally see through, which usally you wear to sleep also.

It is like that in ancient Chinese clothing (the kimono type)
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>>358268
EXCELLENT WORK NANOHA.

>>358769
Ooh. UPS's work?
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A woman wearing a man's underwear is pretty sexy.
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>>358769

What did they do with menstruation, then?
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>>358898
Bleed for several days and refuse to die.
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>>358801
Yes, he did a number of kimono pieces back in the day.

>>358898
Hell if I know, it boggles my mind to try and figure out how women put up with it THESE days.
>> Anonymous
Based on real Japanese underwear, wich took actually took place in ancient Japan.
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The Japanese savages used to wear nothing. That's right, those island dwelling pirates used to walk around in the nude.
Civilized Korean monks came to Japan and saw these brutes. They taught the brutes how to make clothing. Being monks, they knew only how to make monk clothing; which also happens to be the traditional funeral attire in Korea.

That's right. Japanese kimonos are just Korean funeral dress. The savages only traditionally wear them because they were to ape-like to figure out how to wear clothing until we Koreans taught them how to do so.
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>>359074
In before "American is pig disgusting" copypasta.
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>>358898
If they were anything like European women they used a piece of cloth as a tampon, or if they were higher up in society I imagine they could be "ill" for a week and just hang out at home.
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I just had to lol at the dimensions on a file containing the word 'big'. I wonder if this is a subtle statement about 'size' in Korea? Is the obvious troll, not so obvious? I doubt it.
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nuro da iku
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Might as well post more women falling out of their kimonos.
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... and thus, peace returned to the 4chan /e/ board...

...and by 'peace' I mean 'fapping'.
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>> its a wrap! Anonymous
in rurouni kenshin, kamiya kaoru peeks under her robe and asks herself " is my wrap a little loose?" also kaoru's top gets shredded in some battle and she is wearing a wrap underneath.
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>>359213
That would be the sarashi.
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>>359001

>Hell if I know, it boggles my mind to try and figure out how women put up with it THESE days

It varies a lot.

I was really surprised to find out birth control pills are often taken for the purpose of easing it up nowadays, rather than preventing pregnancy.

I learned that a few years ago, and now that I'm paying attention, I actually see them developing and marketing birth control for this purpose. I guess better living through chemistry helps everything from headaches, to boners, to PMS.
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>>359111
source on this?
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This thread rocks. Keep 'em coming!
>> Anonymous
This thread rawks. Keep 'em coming!
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Konata says miko don't wear panties.
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Modern women of course, debate whether one should wear panties or not when dressing traditionally
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>>359492
Striped panties are win, though
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>>359499
I personally prefer black panties, but to each his own.
>> Anonymous
this thread has been both informative and enjoyable! AGE!
>> Chigusa !qfx3qv5Nyg
>>359311

Thing about most those is that they can drastically kill off a girl's desire, her already low sex drive, weight gain, and other sort of side effects. They all come with their pros and cons, messing with hormones can be a dangerous thing.
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>>359568
I aim to please.
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>>359540
i perfer no panties.
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>>359597
drinking responsibly, of course.
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>>358769
i disagree. as>>358898stated, women would wear cloth in order to hygenically take care of thier periods, instead of have run down thier legs. get a clue.
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>>359213

Well not sure if that counts as ancient seeing as that anime was based in like 1886 or so.
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>>359732
This was already addressed in>>359077Let's not be so negative in such a nice thread.
>> Anonymous
fascinating.

I'm in favor of females going commando myself.
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I'm also in favor of women falling out of their clothes, but it sadly happens far too rarely in real life.
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Goodbye thread! It's been fun.
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>>359582
I thought I heard that women having low sex drives is a myth. They 'might' be lower than the average male's, but the difference supposedly isn't near as significant as it's usually portrayed.
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>>359918

Awesome!

>>359111

All sorts of win :)