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Pirate vs Ninja Anonymous
Now THIS is a versus topic I can get behind -_<
>> Anonymous
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1 vote for Ninja.
Sakura may not have Tsunade's breast power, but wow, that's a butt to write home about!
>> Anonymous
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Nami. A pirate. Has superior boobs. Ninja-1 Pirates-1
>> Anonymous
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Ninjas are teh sex. ninjas ftw
>> Anonymous
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Pirates. Ninjas are for 12 year old weaboos who use screen text like -_< and who still watch Naruto, and spell the, 'teh' on purpose.
>> Anonymous
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>>316406

you = teh fail
ninja = teh win
>> Anonymous
>>316445

You forgot the sarcastic ^_^ at the end
>> Anonymous
I am a fan of ninjas, but I have to give this one to pirates.

Pirates are foul-mouthed, gun-toting, sea faring bitches who can drink you under the table, fuck you through the deck.

Ninjas are japanese and probably cry during sex.
>> Anonymous
>>316508
LOL, 10/10
>> Anonymous
>>316508
funny yes.
but Pirates lose.

gun-toting..
meh.. flintlock pistols, ya get one shot and it's horribly inaccurite unless it's point-blank.
crappy one-handed swords. etc..

ninjas would destroy pirates.
>> Anonymous
Pirates vs. Ninjas: Who ever wins, we lose.

PiratesxNinjas: Whoever orgasms first, we win.
>> Anonymous
>>316517

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
>> Anonymous
Pirates - Murderous, vicious and brutal close quarters fighters.

Ninjas - possibly vicious close quarters fighters who show finesse

Pirates - owners of sailing ships, blackpowder weapons. [cannons, pistols, and muskets or rifles]

Ninjas - owners of skintight black slacks and very little else

Pirates - numerous, rowdy, core crew very skilled, other hands not so.

Ninjas - scant, very skilled, sneaky.

Anonymous now decides who wins.

This anon says pirates for sheer boom factor.
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i says ninja
>> Obs !3GqYIJ3Obs
Depends on what kind of ninjas you're dealing with.

Are we looking at the Naruto ninjas who run around in bright colors, scream out what attack they're doing to their enemies, and give long, boring to the point of tears stories about why their childhood sucked so bad?

Or are they the Ninja Gaiden type ninjas, who are masters of the blade, adapt with almost every form of weaponry, able to deflect bullets with their swords, and kill you without being detected in any way?
>> Anonymous
>>316563
niko assassin not a ninja job class, and this would be Ragnarok Online fanart
>> Anonymous
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>>316561

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>> Anonymous
>>316567

You forgot running over water, which makes sailing ships useless.
>> Anonymous
>>316593
lol dont forget dodging machinegun firing, dodging missiles and firing Lighting chi blasts
>> Anonymous
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Ryu Hayabusa = only respectable ninja. That's cause he can fight, though. Name one stealth kill he got, and look at all the other ninja's that got pwnt.

That and ninja's do wierd crap, and train themselves to have acidic feminine juices just to melt you if you rape them or some other stuff.

You'd rather hit some stuck-up, kill-you-with- their-sexual-organs chick? Have fun with that, I'll be over here getting drunk.
>> Anonymous
Pirates. They've obviously outlived Ninjas in everyway. Teamwork. Scurvy. Really rudimentary weapons. They don't bitch, and moan about their shattered past. Drinking. Ships. Cannons. Pirates win on the basis that ninjas are bitches, and they can't swim.
>> Anonymous
Pirates are homosexicals so by default Ninjas win.
>> Anonymous
>>317057

So female pirates are Lesbians? And we already know Female ninjas are lesbians so I say tie
>> Anonymous
I don't know. It's pretty close, but ninjas just kick ass in general, so I'm going with them.

Also: pirates are known for poor hygiene. Gross.
>> Anonymous
>>316750
lol what a way to die
>> Anonymous
Ninja: hand cannons, grenades, smoke bombs, superior swordsmenship/hand-to-hand abilities, shuriken, and are also trained to be masters of all Japanese weaponry.

Pirates: cutlass, grenades, a few different types of firearms, rum, and beards.

My money is on ninja-pirates.
>> Anonymous
>>316517
>>316561
>>316567
>>316596
>>316750
>>316816
>>317073
This thread isn't about combat. We're in /e/. Act like it.
>> Anonymous
Ninjas have never been documented in the entire history of Japan. It was very likely ninjas were actually made up. Google it. Pirates on the other hand...........
>> Anonymous
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>>317093

Yes, we know. And we don't care. Go away.
>> Anonymous
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I like Pirates a lot more, but I'll be honest, I think Ninja would win in a fight. Drunken pirates with terrible-working guns and drunken stupors can't take on trained assassins, particularly if they're never even seen.
>> Anonymous
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>>317108

Bingo. Have a ninja, good sir.
>> Anonymous
>>317093
riiiiiiiiiiight, because If I were a king I would so totally document my use of secret assassins.
>> Anonymous
>>316567
What does it matter, both are typically false mythical beasts.

Ninjas aren't even remotely close to what they're depicted at.

Pirates on the other hand are very fucking similiar to their mainstream depiction.

I'd have a discussion on who would win, but people will be pulling magical shit out of their ass.
>> Morbira
ITT we confuse real ninjas and pirates with brightly colored cartoon characters and their fantasy abillities.
>> Anonymous
>>317127
Ninjas would win anyway. Ninjas were skilled fighters(is there an asian that doesn't know a martial art? lol, racism) and assassins. Pirates on the other hand were simply brawlers.
>> Anonymous
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These whores are picking on May!
>> Yoones
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Pirates!!
ARRRRRRR MAATEEEI
>> Anonymous
>>317135
bah, ninjas are only good for assasination when they have the element of suprise... one on one dualing, you better bet on a pirate. Guns > Swords. (see last samurai... fucking barbarian monkey samurai got their asses pwned by those rifles)
>> Anonymous
>>317135
Protip: There were Asian pirates.
On the other hand, I think both suck. Spartans FTW.
>> Anonymous
>>317135
Ninjas were assassins, and they did practice their fighting as well. But they're primary skills were on assassination, not fighting.

And while yeah, some pirates were brawlers, some were also skilled swordsmen. Some went came from military backgrounds, some went into the military afterwards. Most were pretty rough. But even a pistol evens the odds off in a lot of situations.

I'd say in a fair fight... neither would win. They wouldn't be fighting eachother really. At least not directly in a manner that would emphasize a fair fight for one side or another.
>> Anonymous
>>317139Guns > Swords

True, unfortunately for pirates their pistols have one shot. How many Kunai and Shuriken would a ninja have?
>> Anonymous
Pirates vs Ninja, no contest, ninja would win

a better question is: "Who would win between a Medieval Knight and a Samurai?
>> Anonymous
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Both. Plain and simple. Give me a ninja, I'll fuck. Give me a pirate, I'll fuck. We all have our opinions, and I'm beginning to wonder if this is a picture posting place, or an area where bastards complain about various things that don't really relate to anything worth mentioning?

So... PIRATES AND NINJAS FTW!
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>> Anonymous
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>>317152

Pirates often carried 5 or 6 pistols on them to use repeatedly.

Resize of>>317138because nothing needs to be that big.
>> Anonymous
>>317157

To answer that, a Samurai--hands down. Think about it, Knights wore those heavy armor that's difficult to maneuver in. Let alone the difficulty to see where a Samurai would run to or slice at, considering Samurais are swift with or without a blade.

But let's not have any opinions on this topic. The bitching would never end.
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>>317159
this is 4chan, so the second one
>> Anonymous
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>>317167
the armor was heavy but offered better protection as well, And most people are suprised to find out that the Knights actually had their own forms of martial arts
>> Anonymous
>>317157
Oh well that's a better question.

>>317167
Knights hands down. Typically much better made armor and weapons, as well as light armor that was better at deflecting slashing/cutting weapons that samurai use specifically.
Whereas a knight could slash upwards more or use one of the many more effective weapons like the warhammer and do great blunt force damage to samurais.
>> Anonymous
>>317165
This is an outright lie. You are just some idiot who has never picked up a book outside of this centuary who is far to used to talking to people just as ignorant as yourself, otherwise you wouldn't spout such bullshit.

The only pirates who even had a reasonable armament were the british ex-naval suite. Edward and our friend blackbeard being the only pirates who were recorded to carry any excessive amount of arms, purely for fear tactics.

>>317167

You are just as stupid. Samurai had barely any armour. Any non errant knight, that is to say one which had full land rights, would have a huge tech advantage.

Norman and Anglo-central horses were FAR higher calibur than you would have got in fudeal japan. Whilst I have every respect for the mid dynasty (south east asian in 1400) period samurai, there is no question that a knight would slaughter them. Their armour would not take a single lance strike, and their bows were NOT designed to puncture full plate.

pick up a fucking history book.
>> Anonymous
>>317178
>>317175

You two, too, are morons.

Knights did not have martial arts in the way you would consider the disciplines of the Samurai. Knights may well have been brawlers, but they did not employ fisticuffs in the field.

Also, blunt? Sure this will give a good trauma, but samurai armour was decorative and there to cause fear. It would be crushed with a standard broad sword due to the fact these devices rely on weight and lack of resistance. Warhammers, a rarity with a knight mind, who would use a standard mace or MILITARY PICK, were used only for dealing with FULL ARMOUR. This because blunt trauma will travel through heavier armour.

stop playing D&D.
>> Anonymous
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>>317190
A mace strike to the chest is enough to kill a person
>> Anonymous
>>317195
And black people steal shit.
>> Anonymous
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>>317190Knights did not have martial arts in the way you would consider the disciplines of the Samurai. Knights may well have been brawlers

lol, what? http://www.aemma.org/grappling_768.html
>> Anonymous
I think the point is that he was talking about Warhammers to sound educated
>> Anonymous
>>317197
Once again, context of Samurai discipline

United States wrestlers are not considered martial artists in the south east asian context. Also, fuck reeanctment society trash and american proffessorate, especially when they take late centuary norman text as gospel, and suggest that there is no anglian blood untaint bu that shit.
>> Anonymous
What the fuck? Everyone knows Kenshin would own up any knights. Godammit! Screw history books. Watch more anime!

('tis but a jest)
>> Anonymous
>>317203
Naruto would fuck Kenshin!
>> Anonymous
Everyone knows that all knights were trained as ninjas, so they win.
>> Anonymous
>>317204
if you want Yaoi you are on the wrong board

lol
>> Anonymous
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>>317201
it isn't just grappling, see the little sword pic? click it for sword tech. and the horse for mounted tech, etc.
>> Anonymous
General Grievous would win
>> Anonymous
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devil's pic, lol
>> Anonymous
>>317198
I brought up the warhammer comment, and yes a warhammer is also effective. It's the exact same principle as mace or pick except it has a blunt piercing end and a piercing only end.
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Is Mai considered a ninja?
>> Anonymous
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Pirate-Samurai-Ninja combo?
>> Anonymous
>>317213
Only considerably late period warhammers came with the reverse hook for placating armour. The fact remains that your choice of bringing up this weapon was simply for effect of presence. The best choice of weapon against such lightly armoured opponents will always be either lance strike, the most sensible option, or full weight blade.

Your opponent is using neither a shield, nor so heavily armoured that you are forced to take the option of mace or pick.

By the time warhammers were in use you could have used a cavelry sabre, which would by far match the impact of the low point warhammer.
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>> Anonymous
>>317215
No, mai is a Knight.

Possibly of the jedi variety
>> Anonymous
>>317219
Thread over
>> Anonymous
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>>317220
smartass
>> Anonymous
>>317096

Delicious Taki, must fap.

Sauce plox
>> Anonymous
>>317224
=<
>> Anonymous
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I don't wanna hear it, there are pirates in the pic
>> Anonymous
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hopefully this isn't too /h/
>> Anonymous
>>317218
A full lance supposes that you are a riding knight, many weren't as well. Yes if you had the money to, you would. But a lance is inneffective for a ground soldier.

A mace is still as effective if not more so than a blade, not having shield or armor makes little difference.
>> Anonymous
>>317235
oh dear lord thats hot! where did you get this?
>> Anonymous
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>>317242
on /h/ awhile back, it started a new 4chan fetish, hotdogging, lol
>> Anonymous
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ninja and daughter of a pirate
>> Anonymous
>>317248
in a fight like this who cares who wins, as long as we get to watch
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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{sneaking this in cause it is too cool a pic not to}
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
How about you dipshits argue less and post more applicable porn?
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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>>317258
How about you STFU, I noticed you didn't post a so how about you contribute before you try to tell other what the fuck to do
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
That's it from me...
>> Anonymous
>>317239
It's not more effective than a blade. A broad sword will slice through a pig carcass from the weight of the blade. Try to be contextual. Footmen are not synominous with knights; knights were the nobles, hence the importance held to the title "sir" in England.

If the Knight can't afford his horse then that samurai can't afford a yari or sword.

>>317260
I shall accept your conceeding of this discussion by avoiding it, and bid you good night
>> Anonymous
>>317261
wtfffffffff is this doing here I DO NOT APPROVE
>> Anonymous
>>317161
Does she really count as a ninja?
>> Anonymous
>>317280I shall accept your conceeding of this discussion by avoiding it, and bid you good night

Still no pic, STFU & GTFO
>> Anonymous
>>317282
Why? How else would we know the strength?
>> Anonymous
ITT it's safe to say the fags won...
>> Anonymous
>>317347
??? Fags... is that code for ninja?
>> Anonymous
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no contest
>> Anonymous
>>317293
because one half of it is shitty weeaboo art
>> Anonymous
samurai were fuckin anti-armourless infantry in other words useless
>> Anonymous
>>317351
but it is "funny"
>> Anonymous
>>317215
anyone know the name of this one's artist
>> Anonymous
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Pirates win.
>> Anonymous
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Pirates win.
>> Anonymous
Ninjas get my vote. Anyone counting?
>> Anonymous
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>>317376

Ryoko overwhelms all voting and causes pirates to win.
>> Anonymous
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>>317093
they are supposed to be secret >.>
ninjas are actually lowly peasents or fallen samurai D:
that makes them failures...however
pirates are a sure fire thing
ninjas were basically another word for assassin
but at the time assassin wasnt around because it came from the crusades from a group of extremists
pirates are too drunk to carry a sword D:
sometimes
but ninjas on the other hand...are japanese and probably cry during sex as whoever said....
now a hitman on the other hand...
>> Anonymous
>>317419
1. ninja villages, assassins trained from birth

2.ninjas are NOT actually lowly peasents, they baiscally existed outside the social caste

3. "that makes them failures" yeah obviously that is why the majority of japan was scared shitless of them

4."pirates are too drunk to carry a sword" I would assume being drunk helped, not sure if they would be willing to pull the crap they did if they weren't wasted/drunk a maojority of the time

5. "but ninjas on the other hand...are japanese and probably cry during sex as whoever said...." nope only kunoichi, lol
>> Based on a true Anonymous
Ninjas would win in the shag departement, for soberiety, and secret hand/mouth/mouth techniques to make you gasm with awesome.
In combat, pirates have the upper hand in daylight, at sea or in a bar, while ninjas would win in a forest or at night.
Pirates would make great friends and (poor hygiene) bad lovers.
This said, they cancel each other out perfectly.
>> Anonymous
We're not sure ninjas ever existed. Pirates still do and guess what? Now they have machine guns.
>> Anonymous
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Screw Pirates and Ninjas. Chuck Norris always wins.
>> Anonymous
>>317455
*looks at pic the goes to masterbate mulyiple times*
>> Anonymous
>>317452
yah but theyre not sexy any more
>>317432
they were peasents
im sure in some cases they werent
but they were the ones who tried to change the government in place
and i doubt that all of japan was scared shitless from them...now go back in time, get some pics then ill believe you
as for now
pirates and ninjas < gunslinging girls D:
>> Anonymous
>>317470
no Sword swing chicks > gunslingers just something about chicks handling phallic objects...
>> Anonymous
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>>317093

And that is JUST how Ninja prefer their common man; ignorant to their presence by chalking it up to superstitious legend. Much like Pirates, I'm sure, would believe...until they are suddenly dead, killed by soundless shadow.

>>317167
>>317186

Knights were wrapped in steel, but Samurai had Katana, which (when properly made) could cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, something a broadsword couldn't do. Further, Samurai knew martial arts specifically designed to use an armor's crushing weight and strain against an opponent, Jujutsu. Knights would be even more fucked.

>>317141

Amen. Spartans always win.
>> Anonymous
>>317470
“Ninjutsu did not come into being as a specific well defined art in the first place, and many centuries passed before ninjutsu was established as an independent system of knowledge in its own right. Ninjutsu developed as a highly illegal counter culture to the ruling Samurai elite, and for this reason alone, the origins of the art were shrouded by centuries of mystery, concealment, and deliberate confusion of history” The Historical Ninja. –By S?ke Masaaki Hatsumi
>> Anonymous
>>317509Katana, which (when properly made) could cut through steel like a hot knife through butter

Yeah, in anime that is.
>> Anonymous
>>317514

well no, not just in anime...i've seen some wicked sword demonstrations where they cut through full plate with a battle-ready sword, and it wasn't even a masamune or anything like that. it was just authentic, and not a wall-hanger.
>> Anonymous
>>317515

Exactly. In fact, to test if a Katana was good quality, the 'smith would slam it against a boulder. If it was perfectly ok, it was good for combat; if not, it was tossed aside.

Average Katana could cut through about three people's necks entirely without pause before it would start to catch on a fourth neck and have to be pushed through and/or continued with a second chop. A masterwork sword, like your mentioned Masamune, could do ten necks seamlessly and without stop.
>> Anonymous
>>317516
Proof or STFU, legends, myths and, anime don't count
>> Anonymous
>>317516
Murasame > Masamune
>> Anonymous
http://www.piratesversusninjas.com/trailer/
>> Anonymous
>>317521
Nice, But I somehow feel we've gotten off topic me matey.
>> Anonymous
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>>317518

Have you no eyes? I said I wasn't calling from anime, myth, or legend.

"Secrets of the Samurai: A Survey of the Martial Arts of Feudal Japan" by Oscar Ratti and Adele Westbrook. This book is all about the long history and complex tradition of the Japanese art of combat as it was embodied in a variety of forms, methods, and weapons.

Read literary knowledge and not internet jargon, and then return. Enjoy :D
>> Anonymous
What are you you an idiot? Katanas were known for chipping, and the Japanese sword fighting was designed to avoid blade to blade contact. Now put that in the context of a guy wearing armor from head to toe, armor so well designed it completely changed the way weapons were designed in Europe and the way older weapons were used. Sword fighting techniques had to be completely changed and even then weren't very effective. Polearms and warhammers became the primary weapons because swords had become so ineffective. Katanas are slicing weapons and when was the last time you saw someone slice through steel?
>> Anonymous
>>317527

of course they chipped when they smashed against each other, the katana was badass enough to hurt itself against another badass katana. we're talking some thinly-sliced steel slabs put together versus something folded over two hundred times, and in the japanese fashion of doing everything to the best it can possibly be done
>> ninjas? pirates? Anonymous
... talking about missing the forest through the trees. there are nothing but boobs, tits, and ass here. if you are actually arguing about which is better, you are a homo. go to /ic/
>> Anonymous
>>317532
Katana cut eaisly through samurai armor because samurai armor was made of leather.
>> Anonymous
>>317532
shaped to deflect blades, over chainmail, over leather, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>317532
Japan is superior.

Fucking weeaboo

Oh and the japanese weren't the only ones who used folded steel. Saxons scimitars, greatswords, and rapiers all used folded steel.

On that note, your quoted book; have a look at it's source list on the ebook. Everything it quotes is secondary research.
>> Anonymous
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>>317509
knights didnt always coat themselves in steel head to toe, a lot of knights had chainmail and a surcoat, a leather jerkin underneath and perhaps some steel on shoulders and what not
only the fairly rich ones could afford plate D:
and if one is a skilled fighter chainmail is more than enough until arrows start to fly
i have a full shirt of chainmail, not iron but stainless steel, and though i dont fight with real swords, just wooden ones so i dont lose an eye, if you can dodge its pretty bitchin stuff..
and either way, you need a full sword swing to get through chainmail, and its not very thick or strong armour...
now personally, my grandpa who was a pow in japan managed to get his hand on a legitimate katana, and the things sharp enough that itll cut you bad, i talk from experience with my poor finger; but it cant cut through wood :/

>>317553
also; their armour was hardly leather, most of the time it was well crafted bamboo
it was as strong as leather, but it wasnt leather

swords in all actuality are pretty worthless;
as>>317527
said, a warhammer with a spike on the end was almost perfect, just smash their head in their armour

in midevil europe when knights in armour were abundant, broadswords were never used to kill, ever, they were used to knock someone down so they could stick a 2 foot spike in the back of their enemies neck

samurai are better fighters, but it wont do them any good unless they stick it through a knights eye

but yes
spartans
winners
supperior
>> mr.anon
the woven samurai armour resisted splitting. thus resisted sharp blades.

knights started using blunt edge broadswords in order to smash plate mail armour and crush the bones underneath. a sharp edge would do fuck all to plate steel.

katanas were design to cut flesh and only flesh.

ps. samurai armour incorporated steel plates later on.
>> Sam
>>317159
We're not just on the Internet. We're on 4chan. Bitching about pointless things and opinions is ALL we know.

And the real winners are pirate-ninjas and ninja-pirates. Who then have drunken orgies.
>> Anonymous
Blah. When it comes to the arts of death and killing people, Europe has always been at the fore-front of it all.

Fuck Knights. Roman Legionaries would bitch samurai's so hard it wouldn't even be funny.

Why? Tower Shields. How does a slashing weapon like a Katana fight a guy with a shield the runs from his shoulder to the bottom of his knee? He doesn't. He gets shoulder-rammed backwards with said shield, then stabbed in the throat/face/groin with a Gladius.

Masamune (or however you spell it) swords aside, Katanas couldn't dream of penetrating tower shields.

Also, as far as combat style goes, what's a more effective way for killing your enemy? A close range slashing weapon not made for parrying, like a Katana, or a stabbing weapon like a rapier? Really, like up a samurai and a master fencer and see how quickly the samurai gets bitched.

Hell, as far as armies go, I'd love to see Samurai units fight pike walls.

The West pwns the East when it comes to warfare. It always has, and it most likely always will. Say whatever you want about us white people, but when it comes to killing things, we don't mess around.
>> Skulle
Hai guys, I have 50 years worth of education from Ninja/Swordsmanship/Medieval bladesmithing university in Wannabe, Japan, and I'm here to tell you that you're all wrong because blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

With all the certified experts on swordsmanship and bladesmithing on the internets, you'd think you'd see swordmasters walking the street wherever you go. Keep on rocking, guys.
>> Anonymous
OK, listen up. Knights existed mainly in Medieval Europe. Samurais existed in feudal Japan, which lasted right up to the 19th Century, when their national seclusion was forced open by Europeans.

Samurais wouldn't be EVEN fighting knights, they would face guns from a technologically superior enemy, and hence get pwned (The Last Samurai is based on real Jap history, and depicts the rebelling samurai getting owned by the new Jap army, trained in modern ways).

BTW, the Europeans, it must be said, had superior armour, as the European swords are incredibly heavy, and had to be used upon the weak areas, sain as the gaps in chain mail. However, the Jap samurai is a man of considerable skill, much more so than the knight, who never had the same ideological strictness which the Japs had