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Interesting Question Neon Wolf
A question that has been plaguing me since last night. Why is it that anime art is consistantly ragged upon for being "novice" and "amateur" when a good piece of art can take just as long as other styles. I can understand who starts by doing anime artwork, but someone who studied anatomy and moved into anime artwork by choice. Anywho, what's everyone elses take on this?
>> Anonymous
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Most new artists or teenagers wanting to break into the medium start by imitating anime, because it's what they like.

The problem is that really good masters of anime actually learned *anatomy* and other traditional forms of art before they started drawing the stylized stuff you find in most japanese cartoons. That means that they *know* how to draw well, and they're just taking that knowledge and making it more stylish - they know what parts of natural anatomy to leave out and which parts to put in without fucking everything up.

But the kids who just copy off their style don't have the background in anatomy or more traditional art-styles, so it comes off as basically just an assortment of stylish 'tricks' all thrown together in a haphazard manner that doesn't really look good. The result is anime that looks like absolute shit.

Since this happens a *lot*, and I mean a WHOLE fucking lot, anime (much like Western cartoons) has a 'amateur taboo' attached.

Picture completely unrelated (oh fuck she's hot).
>> Neon Wolf
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Will agree for hotness!

Ah, makes a bit more sense to me, I hated drawing realism. It was one of those things that was boring beyond any means of my imagination. left little room for flexibility, I learned anatomy and jumped into more stylized forms soon after which for the most part I'm satisfied with the style. Just every once in awhile, when someone goes through my sketchbook I get the "You draw the astro boy #$%^? Which left me trying to figure out what the heck they were going on about.
>> Anonymous
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Oh, and let's not forget that most people are spiteful close-minded bitches who see something that isn't realistic and immediately froth at the mouth and roar "THAT'S FUCKING CARTOONS YOU ASSHOLE!"

But this brings up a much more important question: Why do you want anime to be considered art? Who cares? What vaunted status does being considered 'artistic' bring? Let's keep in mind: There is nothing intrinsically 'artsy' about art. Art is just a human definition we slap on things to give them more 'weight' in academic circles than other things. Mona Lisa? Art! Mona Lisa in a comic book? NOT ART. Comic book in the Mona Lisa? ART!

It's all just fucking bull-shit, and frankly, I'd rather my porn stay out of it.
>> Neon Wolf
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I agree with your last post, sorry to disturb the usual Ecchi stuff. Art was an abridged way of me saying "drawings I get paid to make for people" I will post some of it later when I get my laptop's hd back if your interested. Anywho, here's something for your trouble. Thanks for the help.
>> Anonymous
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to argue that anime isn't art. It's just never going to be on the same level as, say, a painting by Courbet, or a sculpture by Bernini.

Which isn't to say you can't enjoy anime more than the art produced by those two people, of course - but there's obviously a disparity between the demands of each format. Creating one certainly took more skill than the other, and the end result of that is something which is generally accepted to be on a higher plane of accomplishment in terms of human creativity.
>> Anonymous
Hmm...

There are pictures which the poeple call "great art" but I for myself just think "that are some lines and some paint".
It really depends on the picture itself.
>> Anonymous
Personally, I'm inclined to associate art with beauty. If I can look upon something and think, "that is truly a thing of beauty" and it was made by someone, I tend to label it art. This just makes art subjective to me. A picture of a fat girl with disgusting folds is not liable to so much be considered art to me as a simple monstrosity. By the same token, I can look at a good anime picture and think "damn I wish I could draw like that" and consider it art.
>> Anonymous
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Oops forgot an ecchi pic
>> Anonymous
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It could be said that anything that isn't done as instinct is considered art. But when they say it's "not art" they're saying it's not "fine art". But you gotta consider, a lot of what we consider classic art nowadays wasn't respected at all in their own time by the masses. Many people at the time said of who we now consider the most groundbreaking composers of the classical era that their music was not music. So who knows. Maybe in 100 years they'll have Miyazaki cels or Monkey Punch pages hanging in the Louvre :P
>> Anonymous
>>178098

That'll be the day
>> Anonymous
I approve of this thread.
>> Triangle Man
>>178069
>>178084

Big breasts to me are beautiful. So I consider these drawings, high art.
>> Anonymous
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>> THE ARTPOCALYPSE IS COMING Anonymous
it's too easy to learn how to draw "manga", it's a mass production system
take this thread to /ic/ where the art-drama belongs

>>178076
translation = I sucked drawing realist and didn't know how to improve, so I switched to weeaboo

ART IS DEAD, STYLES ARE A LIE
>> Anonymous
>>178288

what does that picture even mean?
>> Anonymous
>>178296
It means "You're a weeaboo and deserve a paddlin'"
>> Anonymous
>>178291
Hahah, nice. I agree man, but it doesn't matter, we're all going to die anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>178296
it means lurk moar
>> Anonymous
>>178291

No, I don't think you get it. It's NOT easy to learn to draw manga/anime well. Why the hell else do you think 99% of all deviantart kids out there suck balls at it??

You see, with realism there's a specific ruleset, and our brains are *made* to recognise something that looks like that (i.e. human). So if you don't have the skill to make it look exactly like it should then everybody can easily see that you suck.

On the other hand, drawing anime (or any stylised form for that matter) is more like, say, drawing a house. There are so many countless ways a building can be built that it's easy to say "hey, my drawing doesn't suck, that's just what that house looks like". You know you've heard it before.

But does that fact alone make a painting of some architecture made by some famous artist less artful? Does it make the very concept of painting a church or something less of an art? Does it make being good at these things "easy"? Of course not. But that's exactly what anime bashers like to think! It's funny, really. In that same way people with downs syndrom can be funny.
>> Anonymous
>>178345
lol, how pathetic
>> Anonymous
>>178345
I lol'd... at you.
>> Anonymous
>>178359
>>178362

lol same dumbshit
>> Anonymous
>>178092
Ecchi? What? That's /u/ or /d/, frankly.
>> Anonymous
You know, anime may seem very easy to draw, but it is in fact deceptively difficult for someone who has never tried the style before.
>> Not this *again*... Anonymous
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>>178104
Yes, it *WILL* be the day, and if Andy Warhol or Jackson Pollock are any example, it'll be a day 18-23 years from now.

>>178688
I can do nicely realistic life drawings all day long, but the manga style continues to elude me. I don't try anime style, because I don't want to be mistake for a Deviant. (same reason I use XSI and not Poser.)

>>178291
Knowing how to distill a form into it's most basic parts, and knowing how those parts may be most profitably amended to the strictures of a given style, will always require more artistry and knowledge than simply reproducing the form as it appears at first glance.

is that art-drama enough for you?
>> Anonymous
>>178345There are so many countless ways a building can be built that it's easy to say "hey, my drawing doesn't suck, that's just what that house looks like".
I drew a house standing on it's upright footpath with a chimney on an different plain of reality to the rest of the house, when I was 5. Unfortunatilly, I was too young to have gone to house-building school and never knew it violated general physics. So no, there are not countless ways for a building to be built.
>> Anonymous
>>178688
I'm usually with the "learn proper anatomy if your going to draw anime," camp; but this is truth. I've seen some really talented artists who struggle when trying to regress to something anime-esque. See PandorasBox.
>> Anonymous
"countless", not "infinite"
And on that matter, there are an infinite number of ways to build a house. Just as there are an infinite number of ways a house cannot be built.
>> Anonymous
>>178705
lose

>>178787
win
>> Anonymous
>>178975
Stop approving your own posts.>>178705was awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>179052

You fail, 178975 is right, you can have multiple infinities.
>> Anonymous
It doesn't work that way. An artist by any other name is an arrist. Sculpting, painting, designing, and yes, anime. The people who are ragging on anime are people that choose other arts for their taste or medium, which is fine in an of itself. But they are absolutely wrong when they say it's any less an art. The only difference is an artist's experience in one chosen field. And of course an mainstream artist would struggle to conform to anime. Not because it's too simple, but because it's different by structure, which can negatively impact any artist's opinion of a medium once failed at. And the truely great anime artists already are well rounded artists that did indeed choose a style that they found attractive. Take a look at the scenery in Ah My Goddes and tell me that's 'simple'.
>> Anonymous
>>179057
Lawl, doesn't understand the concept of infinity.
>> Anonymous
>>179063
You people all fail for thinking "art" is only defined by technical quality.
>> Anonymous
>>179106

Don't make me quote Cantor's diagonal argument at you.
>> Anonymous
Who gives a fuck? As long as I can fap to it.