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>> Anonymous
>>523469
I would prefer if the woman didn't have a penis and the boy fucked the woman.
>> Anonymous
>>523478
I think you came to the wrong board/website. Actually, you may be more comfortable staying off the internet altogether.
>> Anonymous
>>523480
Question: why all the gayness?
>> Anonymous
Why all the hate? Can we not all be good little sexual /d/eviants and get along with each other?
>> Anonymous
>>523486
As long as it doesn't involve gay porn (like the OP), then yes.
>> Anonymous
>>523484
Answer: because we're gay.
>> Anonymous
>>523489
Then go back to /y/
>> Anonymous
>>523489
I'm not and I resent the accusation! I only jack off to massive, throbbing, delicious, red-hot dicks because they're attached to wimmenz and not at all because I want them buried deep in my ass, pumping in and out, forcing me to utter little cries of pleasure and pain.
>> Anonymous
>>523494
No boobs allowed.
>> Anonymous
>>523495
Protip: fapping to cocks makes you gay, and so does futanari.
>> Anonymous
>>523495
>>523498
>>523494
>>523489
>>523484

You browse /d/ for fucks sake. Surely your sexual preference extends past simple gay or straight.
>> Anonymous
>>523498
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>>523502
I'm only /d/eviant for monstergirls and robotgirls, meaning that one CAN visit /d/ and still be purely straight.
>> Anonymous
>>523507
I think fapping to objects that have no inherent gender counts as extending beyond the usual charts. Also, I think you'd enjoy Iain M. Banks.
>> Anonymous
>>523507
Monstergirls? Some would see that as inter-species erotica. Does that make you a fan of bestiality? No. Nor does jacking off to futa make someone gay.
>> Anonymous
>>523498
I know this is trying to distance myself away from the gay comment, but I feel it's only gay if you watch some guy take it up the rear by a futa female or if you get turned on by a futa female who has a scrotum.

Frankly I hate any futanari that involves the woman having a scrotum. In my mind that is a guy with breast implants. Absolutely possible in real life and abso-effing-lutely repulsive.
>> Anonymous
>>523513
The point I'm trying to make here is this: outside of the internet, most people see preference as a line in the sand; gay or straight, with some people standing on that line. This is a place where we rake over the line and stand wherever the fuck we want.
>> Anonymous
>>523512
I couldn't care less about authors.
>> Anonymous
>>523515
My simple rule: put a black censor box over the crotch. If it looks hittable, go for it.
>> Anonymous
>>523515
absolutely 100% agreed. 100 internets to you.
>> Anonymous
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>>523569

ITT Futas with balls to anger the closet fags.
>> Anonymous
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>>523601
I second this. Prepare for an assault on your sexuality, you sensitive little faggots.
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>>523659
Damn, three sets of balls on that one. You must be feeling all kinds of uncomfortable.
>> Anonymous
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>>523662
And yes, she has balls too. Picture related.
>> Anonymous
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>>523684
That one always makes me laugh.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>523469

Is there a source for this
>> Anonymous
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>>523692
Fuck I love that one. If only she were real. And desperate.
>> Anonymous
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>>523515

is the air thin up there on your high horse?
>> Anonymous
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Hmm, bondage lovers must be taking an interest about here.
>> Anonymous
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Troll penis.
>> Anonymous
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Drow penis.
>> Anonymous
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Orc penis, lol.
>> Anonymous
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>>523601
>>523652
my heroes!
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
delicious cocks :D
>> Anonymous
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This is a FUCKING EPIC counterflood.
>> Anonymous
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I have to agree that little boys getting buttfucked is kinda gay. Seeing futas giving it to wimmenz, or anything giving it to futas (including the rarer girl-on-futa), is more my thing.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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Call me gay if you want to, but I can't get my dick up for men. I tried it and it was full of fail. There's more to gender and sexuality than 1 and 2.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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Because liking the dick on a woman isn't gay but liking the balls that go with it is, m i rite lolol?
>> Anonymous
this stuff just fucks up your gender recognition
>> Anonymous
If you like dickgirls but haven't imagined being fucked by one than you're a liar.
>> Anonymous
>>523770
Not really.

Would I fuck Ben? No.
Would I fuck Mary? Yes.

It's very simple.
>> Anonymous
>>523761
moar plz
>> Anonymous
>>523777
http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user-dmitrys.php

Hail the God of /d/.
>> Anonymous
now i hate to say t but i thought /d/ was one of the few safe places where we could all be a bit different, the one place where we didn't start hating others with their fetishes.

no i just can't see a futa fucking some guy up the ass as gay. i define gay as two or more people of the same gender fucking. and a girl with a dick is still a girl... also futa with balls are hot, and i don't know why!!!!!
>> Anonymous !.X9p7owdWI
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wut
>> Anonymous
There's a certain good feeling you get when you can get to the point where you just follow wherever your dick points and not care about the differences compared to others.
>> Anonymous
Man, /d/, can't you recognize a troll?
>> Anonymous
>>523747
One of my favorites.

It's just so perfect.
>> Anonymous
>>523745
>>523744
Anymore of this? Or like it at least?
>> Anonymous
>>523801
Nah, I've been looking around for night elf dickgirls for a while now and I still haven't found any decent ones, much less ones with balls.
>> Anonymous
>>523784
sause plz

Also, I really only consider it gay if it involves a dude getting it by a dick, even if it's on a woman. I mean really...

Still though I love me some Futa! Takes the man out and adds a hot chick.
>> Anonymous
>>523809
Why is it gay if it's a guy getting fucked though? Is it just the penis or would it be gay even if it was a strapon or finger?
>> Anonymous
>>523812
Well...it wouldn't be gay without the man meat added in...I certainly wouldn't call it a real hetero thing to do, kinda undefined.
>> Anonymous
ITT: Homophobes
>> Anonymous
Who gives a shit about genders, just fap to whatever you find arousing.
>> Anonymous
>>523809
So let me get this straight here... You think a futa fucking a guy is gay, yet a cock on a girl "takes the man out", when the definition of "gay" is "same gender sex".

Troll or just stupid?
>> Anonymous
>>523814
If you're so insecure in your sexuality that you're afraid of man meat, why do you want more futa? They all have big flopping dicks. Large meaty fuck sticks associated with virile masculinity. You're fascinated by the cock.
>> Anonymous
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fapping to futas isnt gay unless theyre futas fucking guys. even if the balls touch
>> Anonymous
SHUT THE FUCK UP
>> Anonymous
Everyone who posted in this thread without porn is a troll.
>> Anonymous
>>523827
>I'm insecure and HOW the penis is used doesn't really make a difference, it's just a weak lie I tell myself to grasp at not being gay when either way I take the girl cock, I still wouldn't do Ben or David.

And even if I would, who fucking cares?
>> Anonymous
Everyone who posted in this thread is a troll. It was all a setup by the OP.
>> Anonymous
>>523840
can i see ur pniz
>> Anonymous
>>523826
>>523825
Think about it, would you like to have a dick in your ass? Or how about sucking a dick?

I know I sure as hell wouldn't, that doesn't stop me from watching two chicks do it when one has a dick. Mind you I don't like shemales, RL ones that is because I know it was a man once, and really still is.
>> Anonymous
>>523847
Your naivity is showing.
>> Anonymous
>>523847
So, just because you don't like it means it's gay?

Or is it the fact that you're the submissive in both scenarios? Is having your cock sucked gay?
>> Anonymous
>>523849
How so? I can tell you right now I'd never have sex with a guy, or a shemale or anything that was born with a dick. But like a lot of people I've met say, chicks drawn with dicks is simply removing the guy from it. It's like strapons, only with feeling!

Also not a troll just to know, hate those guys, well the annoying ones.
>> Anonymous
S'up, fags.

Is my sexual partner a woman? Not gay
Is my sexual partner a man? Gay
>> Anonymous
>>523860
You're just terrified of being gay so you make up irrational excuses to justify what you like. I can understand, it's what most people do, but it's better to just come to acceptance and get your ego out of the way.
>> Anonymous
>>523860
So you would take it up the ass to a strapon? It's a drawing, how is it different from drawing a strapon?
>> Anonymous
>>523854
*I* think it is gay, you may not, some other guy might be undecided. It's more of an opinion then concrete evidence. If you think it's fine, then good for you, I don't care.
>> Anonymous
lets throw off our foolish irational hatred of the gay, and rally against the only true evil... furry
>> Anonymous
>>523771
I honestly dont want to get it up the ass by a futa, second if you like the guys getting it up the ass you really cant call yourself completely straight because the attention shifts to the guy instead of the woman and third some people like balls some dont, but I keep seeing dumbasses on both sides saying if you like balls you are gay or if you dont like balls you are lying to yourself, there seems to be people on both sides unwilling to accept others have different tastes.
Oh yeah the op pic is shota, not allowed.
>> Anonymous
>>523871
Take the hottest woman you can imagine, then put a penis and a pair of balls on her.

If you suddenly wouldn't do her because she was a "man", you're letting your own fears and insecurities take you over and it makes you a generally suggestable and weak minded person. That seems worse than being gay, in my opinion.
>> Anonymous
>>523871
Sexual actions aren't gay. The person you're having sex with determines if you're gay or not, regardless of what you're doing with them. So if taking it up the ass from a futa is gay, then doing anything with a futa is gay.
>> Anonymous
>>523868
Psuedo-Analyze me all you want Sigmund, it doesn't change the fact I'm not attracted to men in the slightest. It's the whole point I look at Futa etc porn in the first place, because it's just women. One may have a dick but hey, it's just a drawing. Think of it a voyeurism, it's not like I picture myself being one of them.
>>523869
Because it's a drawing, I'm just observing something hot. Does watching lesbians using strapons make you gay?
>> Anonymous
>>523882
You're not attracted to men. That's not gay. How is it gay if a woman is doing you in the ass? Do they magically turn into a man?
>> Anonymous
>>523706
I'm going to enjoy fapping to this.

Yaranaika? Hot futa? Sprocket?

Awesome.
>> Anonymous
>>523885
I'm not the guy that you are asking but wanting to take it up the ass instead of using your goddamn penis makes you a pussy, its there for a reason you know.
>> Anonymous
>>523885
Because in real life, there are no women with penises. You can think that a shemale is all you want, but it's just a man who's gone through surgery and is pumped full of hormones.

Like I said, women doing things like strapons and fingers in the ass isn't gay to me. It's gray zone, the activity isn't gay in context but it's very similar.
>> Anonymous
>>523885
In his view, penis in reality = man, so he avoids them like the plague no matter how hot she may be.

I have a spoiler, though: The clit is just a small penis head. It's all just flesh and one part doesn't define the gender, it's the whole package.
>> KiTA !zx3TGNvBPw
This reminds me of Suehirogari's Night Swimming. That was a creepy manga.
>> Anonymous
Homosexuality is the act of intercourse with, or sexual attraction to the same gender as yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>523879
You seem to assume that everyone wants the penis and ball combo to replace the vagina, what if they like pussy? Would someone not wanting to fuck a shemale be in denial still?
>> Anonymous
>>523897
Having a penis in reality is being a fucking man, honestly people you say I'm fooling myself, but who's really covering their eyes to the truth?

That "hot chick" with a dick in reality is nothing more then a man who's been through intense plastic surgery and pumped full of hormones.
>> Anonymous
>>523908
It's a hot chick now, doesn't look like a man anymore. Who gives a shit.
>> Anonymous
Having sex with a person of the same gender is homosexuality therefore having sex with shemales falls under that category.
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>>523908
What if she has a penis, testicles and a vagina?

Is it a man then? Because I didn't know men had vaginas. Is it a woman? I didn't know women had penises and testicles.
>> Anonymous
>>523895
And a woman is just a man pumped with hormones. And a man is just a woman pumped with hormones.

One of the big problems with society is that they teach that men and women have some sort of mystical energy that makes them different, but in the end it's ALL just chemicals and skin that can be changed around.
>> Anonymous
>>523913
Actually, a shemale's gender is female. Recognized as such through state and law and looks. It's only in your own narrow view of it that they're still males.
>> Anonymous
>>523916
Real life hermaphrodites are sterile too. Fucking win. They usually only have one working genitalia though, the other just sorta is there.
>> Anonymous
>>523918
Not with today's medicine;

A man, at least today, cannot become a woman. He can mutilate his cock into a vagina shaped hole, but he won't be a woman. He'll be a man with a mutilated penis shaped like a vagina. None of the important features that make him a woman. No, womb, no ovaries, and, most importantly, HE HAS A Y CHROMOSOME.

Women do not have a y chromosome. Men do. That's something surgery and hormone therapy cannot change.
>> Anonymous
>>523928
Chromosomes are just a blueprint. They don't actually do anything.
>> Anonymous
>>523926
And their Y chromosome.
>> Anonymous
>>523918
Not true, there is no way to change a man to a woman 100%, not even close. They can make him look like a woman very good, even down to a phony vagina. But nothing will work.
>> Anonymous
>>523895
Sorry to burst the proverbial bubble here, but there have always been females with male equipment born naturally. Though none of them I don't think you'd want to fuck, considering many of them are either dead, or changed to one or the other through surgical manipulation after birth.

Anyways, you assholes shouldn't be analyzing each other. You can think either of you are, or are not gay all day if you'd like, but the only thing that matters is the perception of your own sexual preferences and how you balance your sexual morals. "Gay" to one person will always carry a slightly different meaning to another.

Personally, I find that all gender is, is a state of mind. People carry traits in their personality that stand out sometimes far more often than any bodyparts in defining their gender, which is why artificial transexualism exists at all.
>> Anonymous
>>523911
Okay then, go find a guy, close your eyes and picture a woman. Now assfuck him. Afterall, we're just basing this on looks right?
>> Anonymous
>>523931
A blueprint does nothing. You don't need them to make a building.
>> Anonymous
>>523918
There's a lot that's dependent on internal hormones (one's own genes) and on the developmental biology that occurred in the womb, so it's not quite that simple. With few exceptions, we can't move from the path we've taken from early development. But generally speaking, no, there's no mystical difference between male humans and female humans.
>> Anonymous
>>523939
You don't use a blueprint to operate the building. If the blueprint is wrong or somehow mismatched, it doesn't suddenly change the very nature of the building.
>> Anonymous
>>523931
Hear that everyone? Chromosomes are completely vestigial. We don't actually need them.

Everyone with downs syndrome is just faking it.
>> Anonymous
>>523936
You expect these dense rednecks to understand what you just said?

"HAD A PENIS EVER = MAN. THE END." is the extent of their thought process.
>> Anonymous
>>523926
All I know is that they dont have a vagina and uterus and are unable to have children, I dont care how much they want to be women they never will despite how much they augment their bodies.
>> Anonymous
>>523942
Go ahead then. Add a few extra chromosomes to a person.

I'm sure they won't change a bit.
>> Anonymous
>>523947
They do have a vagina though. You need to do go through surgery to legally change your gender. They can't ever have children though, but a lot of women can't either.
>> Anonymous
>>523947
And you're the exact type of person that balances out the world.

You know, the yelling, closed minded christian that holds on too tightly to their beliefs versus the people that open their minds and think beyond what they were told as a child.
>> Anonymous
>>523945
>>523953
Incorrect, it is a vagina shaped hole.

The best way to logically and definitively determine someone's gender is take a look at the one thing they can't fake:

Their genes/chromosomes. You can make yourself LOOK like the other gender, and you can make yourself sound like the other gender, but the one thing you can't change (at least now) is your genes.
>> Anonymous
>>523953
alot of women cant but they still have the the correct chromosone,vagina and uterus combo needed to be a woman
>> Anonymous
Shemales will never be women.
Hefemales will never be men.

Reverse traps are kinda hot though. Till they start growing facial hair anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>523959
Are you going to force every one of your partners to go through a bloodtest to make absolutely sure you're not catching the gay?
>> Anonymous
>>523953
That's another good point. Everyone is solely attached to the body to determine gender. What if you got into an accident that disfigured you so much where you had no visible breasts or reproductive organ? Would you really be less of a woman?

Just face it, after the complexity of DNA, all that's left of gender is a mental alignment. And when you're in bed with a person, you won't be popping their hood to check their 23. It's come to a world where if you have the best surgeon, you'd never know if you where sleeping with a transvestite unless they told you, so you begin to see the failing grasp of gender in society pretty clearly.
>> Anonymous
>>523926
Because it's only bad until the government allows it! Just like dope, it's banned therefore it's bad. Sound logic.

My "narrow view" as you put it is logical, they are not females, they are men trying to be females. But they cant be, it's not possible, at least certainly not now.
>> Anonymous
>>523959
>Vagina shaped hole
Vagina = a hole
Vagina shaped hole = vagina?
>> Anonymous
>>523959
That's not really the point, though. Even if someone could change sexes down to every single gene and organ and bone and chromosome and anything you could think of, people will still call them a man because they get offended by the idea. And I don't know why.
>> Anonymous
>>523963
Before I reach that, a quick question:

Do you test your partners for venereal diseases before you fuck em or do you just trust em when they tell you they don't have aids?
>> Anonymous
>>523965
PROTIP: That poster probably wouldn't care if the government had it legal or not. They're just stating that even the government acknowledges something, the right-wing retard government full of religious conservatism who won't legalize pot.
>> Anonymous
Look your body is exactly what it is no matter what you do to it, it is still what you've always had you can change what it looks like but you cannot change what it is. As for the mind it really is irrelevant when it comes down to facts. And if its all in the mind why even change the bodies?
>> Anonymous
>>523976
Have the body match the mind a little?
>> Anonymous
>>523967
Duck shaped animal = a duck!

Eureka!
>> Anonymous
>>523972
I wear a condom.
>> Anonymous
>>523928

If they can grown a human ear on a mouses back, it's not going to be too long before they can grow a penis on a woman. That's not to say that they will function correctly, but they will be a lot closer than anything they have now.

>>523913

Maybe, but I'd love to have>>523689her fuck me in the ass, and maybe even give her a BJ if she's nice to me. If you think that makes me gay, well then whatever. I'd still hit it, and let it hit me.
>> Anonymous
>>523975
Thanks. That was exactly my point.
>> Anonymous
Quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, has the genetic composition of a turtle. I'll call it a turtle regardless of the fact that to anything except on a microscopic biological level it's a duck.
>> Anonymous
I only consider shemales who have gone through surgery in western countries to be truly female. Surgeons in other countries are full of fail.
>> Anonymous
>>523976
Because they have the freedom to, and not a damned one of you could tell the difference if they had the money to go through with it, and that's really all this argument revolves around. Nobody is expecting to be able to change DNA, but that's irrelevant. When you walk down the street and see a transvestite, you're not going to see his/her DNA, and you likely never will.

And considering this conversation is still going, all you people really have is your mind; it accounts for everything.
>> Anonymous
>>523984
Why? Because you think it makes you clever?
>> Anonymous
I don't shower. Why don't girls like me?
>> Anonymous
>>523980
Ok, well, let's pretend it's not anonymous sex for a minute, and assume they're your girlfriend. Would you test her for HIV?

Just out of curiosity.
>> Anonymous
>>523926
Look I'm stating fact here and you still argue with me that because the goverment says it it must be true?
>> Anonymous
>>523994
Probably not since I'm the one who's HIV positive.
>> Anonymous
>>523969
One of you who are using the biology argument to call transexuals men please respond to this. I want to hear you try and pull off a convincing "I wouldn't call her a man!"
>> Anonymous
>>523998
The argument would just become, "Well they used to have XY chromosomes!"
>> Anonymous
All I know is if the bitch has a penis, doesnt hava a vagina and uterus and cant have my kids, its not a woman.
>> Anonymous
>>523990
Well, you don't fuck their mind, do you?

No. That's what everyone seems to be missing. You don't fuck a person's brain. You fuck their body.

Think about that for a second. Even though technically, even though the body is shaped like a woman, it is genetically a male...well...that's a whole other argument.

Let me say this about this retarded argument:
I'm going to masturbate to what I want, when I want, where I want. Maybe I'll spurt a huge load all over your bumper at 5:30 in the morning. You'll find it on your car and think someone egged you. You'll be bending over and scrubbing that bumper, thinking you're cleaning a rotten egg. But my point is this:

That's not egg. That's my sperm. You're scrubbing off my sperm at 7:30 in the morning before you go to work. Does that turn you on? Because it turns me on.
>> Anonymous
>>523994
I'd have anyone I'd have sex with tested, but the better question here is if she was your girlfriend, and you discovered that one slight difference in chromosomes, would you really be stupid enough to trash a relationship that you had obvious interest in because of that one minute thing?

Besides that, the test results are theirs; they're not obligated to show you all of them, unless you're some over-paranoid person who's actively looking for a transvestite to persecute.
>> Anonymous
>>523996
Enjoy your aids.
>> Anonymous
>>523995
Looks like a woman, smells like a woman, sounds like a woman, has the mind of a woman, but has the DNA of a man.

That's 4 out of 5, sounds about right to call them women and not men. Holding on to your DNA argument is just grasping at straws, because if they're ever able to make every bit of DNA the same, your only argument is "I'm a closed-minded and easily offended person."
>> Anonymous
All the mind power in the world is not going to let a shemale have children. The whole point of a female gender is that they are the ones that have children, men are the ones that inseminate. Now which one do you fall under?
>> Anonymous
>>523969
In body, they would be exactly that. And by all means I'd consider them that and wouldn't try to stop them, the posters here have me confused with a bible thumping Christian. I have no religion, but I am agnostic, and I do believe people have souls. But I also believe in letting people do whatever they want that doesn't effect others. I'll keep my view, you can keep yours.
>> Anonymous
>>524004
Hahahaha, fuck I laughed.
>> Anonymous
Trangender women are still women because gender is set by the person, regardless of what genitals they have (especially since those genitals can be easily changed with surgery). A dickgirl is a woman because, in most narratives, it is a girl who suddenly and strangely has a cock, or is a 'third gender.'

Cocks are only gay if it's two men who identify as men. Vaginas are only gay if it's two women who identify as women.

Geesh, at least on /d/ I'd think we'd be a little more liberal. Transpeople exist, they are hardly disgusting, and most of them are perfectly normal people who simply want to change their body as they see fit. It's the equivalent of liking piercings or tattoos because of the way they feel, only a little more emotionally and physically paramount.

A person is gay if they ONLY like people of their own gender or, given a choice, would rather fuck someone of the same gender almost all the time. Besides, I imagine liking dickgirls would make someone pansexual (being turned on by all gender possibilities, transpeople and naturally-occurring men and women) or bisexual.

I'm bisexual. dickgirls or pussyboys are very attractive to me because I'm bi, however, if someone is attracted to them and prefers real life partners who are only opposite gender, more power to them.

Christ can we shut up and post some PORN now?
>> Anonymous
>>524009
If you were having sex with a woman who used to be a man, would you want to know?

Would you be offended if they didn't tell you? If they lied to you?

Because that's what it all boils down to. Some people feel lied to. And, I think, that's a very valid argument. Isn't sex the expression of love? Isn't love trust and affection? If you love someone, shouldn't you be open and truthful to them?

It's entirely valid to feel that who you chose to make love to should be honest with you. Some of you do not care how honest someone is with you.
>> Anonymous
>>524014
>I am a closed minded fool and my opinion will no longer be considered a serious one.
>> Anonymous
>>524004
I guess you don't know much about foreplay if all you do is fuck their body. Sex is more than just physical stimulation, if all sex was, was just "fucking her body", I wouldn't bother pursuing a relationship.
>> Anonymous
>>524006
It's not minute if she lied to you. You don't see that as a problem?
>> Anonymous
>>523998
Well I wouldnt call a modified man a woman when they dont have two X choromosones, were born a man, cant have children and dont have a vagina.
>> Anonymous
>>524023
Way to counter my argument, dumbass.
>> Anonymous
>>523469
Moar of OP
>> Anonymous
>>524028
Read the fucking quote.
>> Anonymous
>>524026
In that instance:
>>524022
>> Anonymous
>>524012
Sterility.
>> Anonymous
>>524022
But if they told you, you would immediately leave them.
>> Anonymous
>>524030
There's nothing to argue there. Closed mindedness is absoluteness. In your opinion, once a man is always a man no matter how complete a woman they are. There's no reason to try and counter because your kind will die off as the world becomes more complicated and you're no longer able to function because most things don't fit into your views.
>> Anonymous
I'm fucking myself in the ass right now, vigorously manipulating my genitals to your posts. So my question is, am I gay?
>> Anonymous
>>524022
That all just depends on the person. To a lot of people, there's an acceptable region of falsehood. It's not that they don't care how much they're trusted, or how much that they trust, they just see it as a necessary and expected reaction to cover things up. Because you can't say for sure that just because someone lied means they don't care, or they wanted to inflict emotional pain on you, as lies are used to shield people from that as well.
>> Anonymous
>>524042
Haha, much like the older people just sit around being useless because they can't figure out technology.
>> Anonymous
>>524036
Too bad for you guy in the grand scheme of things you are now worthless and so are all those transexuals that dont end up having children once they die almost everything about them is gone. So I hope you really enjoy what you have now.
>> Anonymous
>>524022

Now put yourself in the role of the transsexual. If you were about to be intimate with a man, would you tell them you used to be a man? Why or why not? Keep the following ideas in mind:
If you do not tell them because you fear persecution, should you really become intimate with someone you fear may not love you if they knew everything about you? Love, to me, is unconditional. And that if they knew everything about you, they would still love, trust and respect you.

If you chose to tell them, how would you feel if they didn't still want to be intimate with you? Would you be hurt? Would you be able to understand why they may not want to have sex with you? Would you be able to respect their decision?
>> Anonymous
>>524053
Because having children in a world where they'd get beat up or killed for being who they want to be is a great accomplishment, yes?
>> Anonymous
>>524053
So what you're saying is that you're a Nazi? Because you sound like one, Genome soldier.

Genetic evolution is nice and all, but you're just a dunce if you think one small twig of a family tree, of a forest of human life dying is going to be that catastrophic. It's exactly what it sounds like, one tiny twig in a huge forest snapping.
>> Anonymous
>>524053
Your children will die too. Their children will die. Their children will die. Nothing they do will ever have any significance in the scheme of things. What's your point?
>> Anonymous
>>524049
I see what you're saying, and I understand where you're coming from, but in this scenario, I really see someone as lying as being selfish.
>> Anonymous
>>524061
Yes it is, our children are the future, it is up to them to make the world a more extraordinary place than we could hope to they will advance humanity, so yes it is an accomplishment.
>> Anonymous
>>524063
>>524066
see>>524070
>> Anonymous
>>524061
Yes, because everyone in this thread has talked about beating and murdering trannys...
>> Anonymous
>>524067
Well, then I just hope if you meet any transexuals, that they'll be frank with you (no pun intended.) But as for me, I am ok with a simple white lie every now and then. To me, it shows worry, and worry shows sincerity.
>> Anonymous
I agree that if a transsexual person is in a relationship, they should probably tell their partner their life. But that's not just the "lol i was born as a guy/girl" thing. It's bound to occur in just basic, "What was your childhood like?" conversations. That doesn't mean you're not a retarded prick if you immediately leave them just because they happen to have a chromosome that makes you uncomfortable.
>> Anonymous
>>524070
No. Your children will just be infected. They will either be what the president says they will be or they will think on their own and try to improve the world and get crushed under the weight of the others.
>> Anonymous
You dumb faggots. There is no future. We are the last generation. The day of judgement is at hand.
>> Anonymous
>>524075
Well I wonder do you think they're lying to protect you, or to protect themselves?
>> Anonymous
>>524066
Every generation that passes will live their lives and add to the world even if just a small amount, they will know the happiness children can bring to their lives and know that they will carry on even if they die.
>> Anonymous
>>524074
It's generally the same idea. Feeling offended and hatred towards transexuals for no real reason.
>> Anonymous
Guy who says he doesn't like women without a uterus. I can respect that. It's something concrete.
Guy who says he doesn't like women without double X chromosome. Were you beaten as a child?
>> Anonymous
>>524070
You're putting instinct over human choice. If you want to act as an animal, that's fine; but not everyone's sole objective in life is to impregnate someone, one way or another. Some people don't care at all about having children, and that's not a strain upon anyone in the world; and if they really did want to have children, they could just adopt. The opportunity is always right there, one way or the other.
>> Anonymous
>>524086
You leave your mark on everyone, not just on your biological children.
>> Anonymous
>>524085
IT always depends on the person, like every topic in this thread. They could be lying to protect themselves, me, or the both of us. I can't answer that question in a theoretic manner, because the nature of a lie is open-ended.
>> Anonymous
>>524090
No I am not everyone has the choice and almost all choose to have children just as some choose not to. You seem to be saying that wanting children is animalistic and choosing not to have children as some sort of grand step in human advancement. The bottom line is dont downplay what it is to have child be born into this world that is a part of you.
>> Anonymous
>>524076
Well people are different. It doesn't make you uncomfortable, but can you see why it might bother someone else? That's really the issue; it will bother some people. Others it won't. I can see how some people won't be bothered by it. Me? I'd want to know.

>>524097
Interesting. But, for me, in both events, it doesn't feel right. If they're lying to protect themselves, it seems like they're being selfish and only interested in their own feelings and not being respectful of what I might be thinking.

On the other hand, if they are lying to protect me, I might feel a little offended that they would assume I would be hurt if they DID tell the truth. Love and telling the truth IS a risk. And I think sometimes you have to just gamble and play the cards your dealt, you know? You've no control over how someone will react to telling them the truth, why worry or be upset about it, you know? Should they be upset because you were honest?
>> Anonymous
>>524093
Yes you do but it is not the same and dont even begin to say its anywhere near the same type of mark, those are two very different things you leave behind.
>> Anonymous
Hey guys, my girlfriend is what you would call a "shemale". I do her lovingly in the ass daily, I'm very happy with her, and I consider myself straight. Ready? Go!
>> Anonymous
>>524104
Do you let her fuck you in the ass?
>> Anonymous
>>524087
Dude I have not animosity towards transexuals but I just dont think they are real women, thats what I'm arguing.
>> Anonymous
>>524099
I'm not saying having children is animalistic, but you can't deny that it's instinctive. It's the genetic goal to preserve your own DNA in your offspring, which is the base feeling of joy in raising a child.

What I'm saying is that I'm objective to the thought that a person is "worthless" because they choose not to, or have the inability to have children, in any sense outside of simply passing on their genes. And if they so choose, they very well could have a child -before- becoming a transvestite, due to some form of foresight in knowing they wanted to have their own genetic child.

After that, there still always is adoption.
>> Anonymous
>>524090
Now that is some bullshit spewing out of your mouth, not having children is above those who choose to? Fuck you! Dont insult people who have children because it honestly something they want out of life and say they are just being animalistic because that is some closeminded, dregrading bullshit right there.
>> Anonymous
>>524101
There's really no way around it, someone, somewhere, will be offended by it. There's no doubt in that, people find ways to be offended by a lot of things which are completely tolerable to others. It really makes discussions like these a bit pointless sometimes, but then again some people take to them better than others ("lol fags", etc)

The golden word here is tolerance. If you can tolerate it, that's acceptable enough. If you can't, then you're part of the problem, because the world won't just roll over for you.
>> Anonymous
>>524115
Maybe you should read that again, because I sure as fuck didn't say anything like that.

Christ, this thread is going off the deep end fast.
>> Anonymous
>>524107
No, but I suck her off!

On the other hand, man cock and man body kill my boner pretty fast.
>> Anonymous
>>524110
The base reason in raising a child is preserving your Dna? What about the love that develops? Or the closeness between a parent and child that is different to all other kinds of love? Is that just merely base instinct? What I'm trying to say is a grand thing that you shouldnt dismiss in the slightest just because some cant or choose not to have it, thats their choice but dont dismiss other peoples choices in that way.
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
>>524117
Excellent observation.

On that note:

Pornography depicting women endowed with male sexual organs will now commence.

Regarding this image:
Do you think that's semen she's bathing in, or is she just leaking into whatever she's bathing in?
>> Anonymous
What most people in this thread are arguing is not that people cant do this thing or that they cant live their lives how they choose but what the definition of gender is, not about how much they hate them which I really havent seen in this thread.
>> Anonymous
>>524125
I wonder, if I were to look at her, would I think she was a woman?

You should totally let her fuck your ass.

Also, an odd question:
What household objects can make effective sounds? I don't feel like ordering a medical grade sound.
>> Anonymous
>>524126
There's a reason for everything, and humans really are not so different from animals as we like to think, as offended as -some- people think that to be. If you look at many animals raising their young, they too appear to be affectionate and loving; all instinct. I'm not saying instinct is bad, cold, and demeaning. Humans have instincts, and one of them happens to be preservation.

I'm not dismissing anything here, the only reason I made comment on it is because someone went beyond themselves to say that someone who doesn't, or cannot have a child is worthless.

As I said, I'm not dismissing anything; I'm only asking that you don't dismiss the fact that it might just not be for some people, or that they could just as easily find that passion through another avenue. It's not so difficult.
>> Anonymous
>>524132
She's prettier than most genetic women I meet and more feminine to boot. And I can't seem to get recieving buttsex to feel good for me.
>> Anonymous
>>524128
I would have to say it's semen. Somehow I don't think it would just set upon the surface if it was water she was in.
>> Anonymous
>>524136
Oh well.

Still an interesting story.
>> Anonymous
>>524136
You dont have to have butt sex you know, if you like it fine if you dont like it that should be fine too right?
>> Anonymous
Fucking humongous thread in /d/, too bad its over.
>> Anonymous
Well, I'm done arguing. The world is slowly becoming more accepting anyway and those refusing to be seem to be slowly disappearing as well.

I'm off to bed to fuck my girl then go to sleep, and hope her penis doesn't stab me too much during the night. The girl gets morning wood like you wouldn't believe.
>> Anonymous
To the people getting upset over "She's LIED to me, it's a MAN," and the question of whether sex is more important in transgenderism than gender (gender is mental, sex is physical traits)--I am dating a pre-op transwoman. I'm LIVING your little argument.

I am a woman who was dating a rather femme guy for two fucking years. I moved across the country to be with the man I loved. I'm bi, so for me genitals are just sex toys attached to people to get off with, but the person attached makes it special, in my humble opinion.

When my partner came out to me once I moved in, I was a little thrown, but it made a lot of sense, given who I was dating. After extensive psychological evaluation and CAT scans, doctors evaluated that her brain is indeed a woman's--something happened in the womb and she developed a little...off. All transpeople have something a little off chemically (hormone receptors vs. what the sex organs produce, yadda yadda), and it can't be fixed any other way but to transition to the gender of the brain.

Physically? After her surgery, she goes off the testosterone blockers (no more testosterone) and then she will need to take estrogen every day or she will become sick. Aside from her Y chromosome, she will be physically, in every way, exactly like a young woman who has undergone a hysterectomy and is taking hormones to keep herself feminine. Mentally? She's all woman. Not a stereotypical drag queen, but a woman. In my mind, it was as simply a small chromosomal error, and in a couple years, not even her genitals will give her away. You'll never know or care and she'll walk amongst you and she'll be a woman.

If your lover ever holds something back from you out of fear, maybe that says something negative about you. My lover didn't hold anything back once we got serious, and I accepted it because I loved the person in front of me--the body was just a nice bonus. There's always toys if we ever miss her cock. ;3
>> Anonymous
>>524150
That's kinda cute.
>> Anonymous
>>524154
If someone holds back something from you, that doesn't necessarily say anything about you. It says something about the person holding it from you.

It says that they are still either presumptuous enough to think they know how you will react, or afraid that they will not still be loved afterwards. Both are selfish reasons.

If you lie, it's nobody's fault but your own.
>> Anonymous
>>524150
I bet you were expecting more YOU'RE NOT STRAIGHT, YOU'RE GAY! huh?
>> Anonymous
>>524150
Most people in this thread are not arguing against acceptance but what they feel is gender and some on the opposite side say they are close minded, but some of them are closeminded to a degree to for they choose not accept that others have a different view of gender and sexuality than their own and can still be reasonable, openminded people.
>> Anonymous
>>524154
>If your lover ever holds something back from you out of fear, maybe that says something negative about you.

If you feel you have to hold something back from someone, you shouldn't be with them. Period. It shows that you don't trust them. If you don't trust them, you don't really love them.
>> Anonymous
>>524163
I only agree with the last part. It is your responsibility if you do choose to lie, but I think you're being a bit of a hypocrite in saying as well that you presume to know their full reasoning in wanting to lie, which is why I chose not to give a real answer when addressed with the question earlier about lying. If I did suddenly became angry because I discovered they had lied to me, and started pointing fingers and calling them selfish, then I too would be being presumptuous. At least, in my opinion.
>> Anonymous
>>524150
so lonely ;_;
>> Anonymous
>>524175

Interesting, but it's not unreasonable to feel hurt enough by someone you thought you trusted lied to you. Whatever the reason, it is still hurtful and selfish to hide the truth from someone.
>> Anonymous
>>524169
>If you don't trust them, you don't really love them.

That's a very subjective view of Love, and we could go at it in an entirely new thread over that. Some people have issues with trust, others have strong issues over jealousy. In effect, would you say that it would make them incapable of loving someone? Personally, I don't.

Love is a feeling, and people struggle to place meaning and verbalize the feeling. To some people, love is trust. To others, it's a very vague, unspecific feeling.
>> Anonymous
>>524169
You can love someone very much, but you can hate the idea of being curbstomped and raped to death more. Yes, you should be honest, of course you should be if you love someone, but I do understand why people hold things back despite me not agreeing with them. Trust begets honesty. However, the fact that some people in this thread are obsessed with the idea that a partner would be lying shows that maybe they should be more trusting, too.

I mean, why can't you meet a sweet girl, go out on a few dates, and then she tells you she's trans and you two just deal with it if you're okay with it? Why is there the assumption that there must be a lie somewhere?

If a woman were to tell me "I was born male, but it was due to an issue in the womb that gave me a cock and Gender Identity Disorder," I'd say "Wow, that must have been awful, you're a very strong person" and then I'd go back to playing with her pussy. It's like saying "I got raped when I was 14 and so I'm not a virgin, I'm sorry." It's a sexual thing from their past that affects your sex life now. You get over it or you don't, but it's not like it HAS to be a lie.
>> Anonymous
>>524180
Love IS subjective, by definition.

Which is why the reactions are so varied when people are told their partner used to be a different gender. Understand? And because it it so subjective, the needs of each person in a relationship are different. Some people need honesty. Others trust, and others forgiveness. Since each need for each person is different, it is unreasonable to say insisting on any one need be the absolute.
>> Anonymous
>>524179
I agree, it does hurt. My girlfriend came out to me a month ago and told me she had been having an affair, because we had issues with space in our relationship. Many probably would have dropped it right there, but I understood why she did it, and why she would need to, and I justified it within myself to still trust her. I don't condone senseless lying, just to use your own better judgment. The fact that she did come out and tell me meant a lot, in my opinion. If she hadn't, it could have gone very differently.
>> Anonymous
>>524180
Well if someone does not trust thier partnes or has jealousy issues, I think they really cant devote themselves as strongly to each other as a couple that does trust each other and does not have these things weighind down on their relationship.
>> Anonymous
>>524186
Exactly. One lie doesn't destroy an entire relationship. Coming clean is quite noble.
>> Anonymous
>>524185
I understand completely. I'm just saying, if you're placing all of your love riding solely on trust, it's a lot of weight for something sometimes as flimsy as a hair. To me, love just has to be more consistent, because if something should slip, that the boat wouldn't sink before making suitable repairs.
>> Anonymous
>>524184
Not telling someone the truth shows you don't trust them with that knowledge. At least, that's my opinion. To me, it says, "I can't trust you enough to know that I used to be a woman, so I won't tell you."

Why do we all assume there is a lie involved? Well, honestly, there is a lie involved. Until you tell someone, you're lying that you were always a woman. I'm not saying you have to tell someone the second you meet them, but you have to realize that there is a certain amount of ...dishonesty that could be perceived.
>> Anonymous
>>524190
But that doesn't answer my question. Do they love them less?
>> Anonymous
>>524186
I would have dropped it right there because it says what she wanted from another person at that time was more important than what you had with her, so its your choice but I think you are justifying being cheated on to feel less hurt in the end and downlplaying it as something not that bad.
>> Anonymous
>524190
A relationship isn't just spilling your guts on the first date--every lie, every fear, every fetish, every insecurity. You learn about people over time, and some wounds or some parts of a person can still hurt.

If someone is trans, they have a very high possibility of meeting someone and getting hurt in a myriad of ways, whether they pass or not, whether they have sex with the person or not, or whether or not they come clean and say "I'm transgendered." It's a huge risk, but it's one they do for their own sanity.

If you pretty much had to be wary that anyone new you meet could, statistically, hate crime you (trans youths are 80% more likely than any other minority or demographic to be beaten, raped, or killed), I think anyone would be wary of what they tell others.

Besides--to the transperson, they ARE that gender. If the person isn't sexist, why should it matter what they were born as? As I said, in the womb, we all start out female until (for reasons doctors still aren't sure of) testosterone is introduced and the fetus becomes male. Not even the chromosomes are 100% responsible for this, as there are intersexed people. The body fucks up. Things happen. People are capable of anything, including determining who they are.

Frankly, there's no handbook on relationships, each one is different. If you don't want to date a transperson or accept them as the gender they have chosen due to their unique biology--don't. But realize why and how they do it--it's not just crossdressing or fetishizing.
>> Anonymous
>>523469
Moar and sauce on OP's image.

Incest, Futa, and shota all in one. What's not to like?
>> Anonymous
>>524200
You have to understand that once someone goes through something like that, to them, their past might as well not exist. If you've gone to cut off your penis and majorly disfigure your body, it's safe to assume you're seriously committed to pursuing this other life. My best friend was on the brink of having a sex change himself, while I was dating him.

At the time, it was very stressful. When I discuss transsexualism, I always approach it as if I'm addressing it post-op. To have really known and to be connected with the person pre-op is a very different feeling. To some, it could be described as if they had died. So you could understand why they wouldn't be obligated to tell you, what you would believe to be, the truth. I would believe many wouldn't consider it unless you approached them bluntly and asked.

When a person turns to transsexualism, their past life no longer exists.
>> Anonymous
>>524221
That's not true:
They're still the same person. They have the same feelings, mind and thoughts as they did then. It's not fair to absolve everything they did pre-op just because they don't want to address the fact that it exists. It's there, and your lover has a right to know about it.
>> Anonymous
>>524230
Maybe, "right" is too strong a word, but let me expand:

You should be honest with everything you were and are with your lover. It would be deceitful for me to have a 5-10 year relationship with someone without telling them that they are/were a convicted murderer/rapist/whatever. Just because you don't want someone to know it happened doesn't mean it didn't. It's there, and by not being forward with them and hiding it from them, you show you do not trust them to know the truth about yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>524202
That could possibly be true, but again you're starting to presume. The truth is, we have an open relationship. Either of us have the freedom to sleep with others, though we don't want to. It's to abolish the sense of taboo so that if something like that did happen, that we wouldn't loose all sense of reason in the heat of the moment and trash something perfectly good. Outside of that one instance, we've had little desire to stray.

But I could imagine how different my view is to yours, and that's what this entire conversation is about. I already know that someone will be reading this and be thinking "lol, ok wutever", and that's typical. But we're still together, and have a good relationship.
>> Anonymous
>>524221
Its your past that makes you who you are, and if one lived life as a male for part of their life that definitely helped shape their mind and personality.
>> Anonymous
>>524200
see
>>524210

Yes, if your partner has herpes and gets you off and you get it, yeah, that sucks ass. If your partner doesn't tell you that she has a husband, yeah, that sucks. If your partner doesn't tell you that when she cums, she passes out, okay, that could make things awkward.

If she doesn't tell you she was born a man...well, I don't tell most people I was born very ill and had to have major surgeries to even stay alive.

I have long, thin scars across my shoulders and my abdomen due to emergency heart and abdominal surgeries. Some partners are creeped out by the scars--but it's my past. Am I required to tell people about my scars over drinks? 21 years in my past! If you're born as something, that can change.

Yes, you should tell your partner if you're trans so they can decide how to proceed with the relationship--however, it's still your past, not who you are today. Sure, some people will argue with me, but that's how I feel. Do you demand to know if a girl's tits are real within the first few months of dating? Does it really matter? That in her PAST her tits were smaller?

I have never known a transperson (and I've known quite a few, more than I've had close non-trans friends) that wasn't entirely up-front with who they are emotionally and who they once were physically. Not a one. Within a month, they're telling their partner who they are if they didn't meet their partner solely because the other wants to date a transperson and support them (say a close friend that becomes something more). Frankly, I doubt most transpeople would date someone who could have religious or societal hang-ups about gender--they tend to be really liberal people, so I don't think there would be much of an issue in the first place, however, I've never known a dishonest tranny---you have to be really in-tune with yourself and who you are to transition, and character flaws tend to be minimized when you're undergoing such a life-changing experience.
>> Anonymous
>>524234
Thats fine I just want to make sure you're not decieving yourself, cuz that itself could develop into some serious problems down the line.
>> Anonymous
>>524239
Transpeople don't 'live' as one gender than then decide to change. Mentally, they are the gender they transition to all their life, trapped in a body that doesn't match it, and they usually go along and pretend to be someone they're not because they're afraid of being harmed. Transitioning IS being honest, with themselves and everyone--and it usually happens between 18-40 years old, because let's face it, how many parents are cool enough to say, "Ok, sweetheart, you know yourself best, we'll put you on a transitioning regimen so your balls don't drop and you're having SRS by 18 and have effectively lived your entire life as your desired gender." Not many. Being trans is dealing with many unintentional half-truths. From little up, you are behaving as society tells you to behave depending on your gender. As you transition, people assault you verbally and try to tell you who you are, and post-op when all is said and done, people will still accuse you of dishonesty just because they can't possibly understand.
>> Anonymous
>>524240
That's really basically how I feel about it as well.

All I want is for someone to be forward with their transgenderism if they're going to be intimate with them. After two or three months after they both know that they intend to spend more than just a little time with one another. After you know your intentions with someone, you should be honest with them. If they deny you, you weren't right for another. I honestly don't believe there's anything wrong with -either- person. And there's nothing wrong with being uncomfortable with someone who used to be a different gender.
>> Anonymous
>>524240
What if the partner assumes that they are a biological woman and wants children down the line is that not a good thing to be truthful about? What if children is something a person expects out of a healthy relationship? Is it good to keep it a secret for a long time?
>> Anonymous
>>524230
To be honest, I don't believe anyone has the right to say that they deserve to know about another person's past. That's for them to decide, for any reason. You just have to trust them, and if you really have any sort of feelings for them, then you will. They might have existed, as a being, before post-op, but even if so, to many it's painful and traumatic. You can't just bust down the door in those sort of things. The only choice you have, is what you would do if you found out. I see the sense of obligation that they should tell you, is some form of cover for the inadequacy of choice in the matter.
>> Anonymous
>>524262
Once again, I said, "maybe right is too strong a word." But now it is you who is presuming, yes?

Like I said, it is dishonest not to tell, and, should the person ever find out, the person who lied wouldn't have much right to complain if they decided to leave them for lying to them.
>> Anonymous
>>524258
It all just depends. One white lie doesn't hurt, no matter how long it's in play; but if you keep telling white lies, they stack up. If the relationship got to the point where the mate wanted to have a child, it would probably be within the best interest of the trans gendered partner (but not saying there's an -obligation-), that they should consider telling their partner.

I've had this discussion in depth with my friend in order to try to talk him down from his own desire to go trans gendered. I initially failed, but later on he decided that it probably wasn't better suited to him. Which is why I wanted to delay it as much as I could, you can't over-think something like this.
>> Anonymous
>>524258
No, but I'm saying, if they tell you a few months in, it's not lying. I know plenty of people who can't make a relationship last a goddamn year, so for them, I'm not sure how long the relationship would have to be for it to be 'hiding something.' I'm a very blunt person--my girlfriend knew pretty much my whole past by the time we hit the 6th month mark. I didn't know she was trans, hell, SHE didn't know transgenderism existed (she was raised sort of sheltered), until the two year mark because I had to LIVE around her to realize "Hmm, the person I'm dating...something's off. Ok, let's talk about this." There were emotional issues, so we went into therapy together, and that's how she was diagnosed. There was no dishonesty.

I'm not saying don't tell, I'm just saying that some people reveal past information slower than others, and I imagine even in the normal flow of Johari Window (what is known and not known between people) in a relationship, say, talking about folks, where you grew up, etc. etc. most people would suddenly believe it's a lie instead of just the natural progression of revealing oneself to your partner. Yes, that's a HUGE thing, to be trans, and probably something someone tells after a couple months when they know shit's getting serious...but people might STILL be hostile that the person waited to see how they felt about the other at all.

That's all I'm saying. It's unfair to assume that just because you don't go around with a button that says "TRANNY" on it, you're 'hiding something.'
>> Anonymous
>>524270
What is a white lie to you could be a huge whopper to someone else.

Just because you think it's nothing important doesn't mean it won't be important to someone else. And it's pretty safe to assume that something like trans-genderism is going to be important to a -lot- of people.
>> Anonymous
>>524269
Yeah, sorry. That post was still in the works at the time you made that one. (I'm taking my time) I agree though, again, a lot of the responsibility falls upon the trans-gendered part of the relationship, which is exactly why she suffers no strong obligation to immediately spill his or her guts.

But let me ask you, if you where with a person for anywhere up to a decade, if they had told you that they where once another gender, what would you do? I'm not asking this to beckon you into any witty point or intellectual trap, I'm just curious to hear how you would resolve it. Lets say that you've had sex often, and it had been the best sex that you've had, and you've tried repeatedly to impregnate her. It's safe to say that you love her. What do you do?
>> Anonymous
>>524276
Well yeah, I have no problem with that either. I don't think it would make sense to say, "I AM A TRANNY" as the first words that come out of your mouth to every person you meet.
>> Anonymous
>>524278
When I mean "white lie", I mean a lie spoken with good intent. I know it doesn't fit the scratch definition, I'm sorry.

But you're still right, to others it could seem very nefarious.
>> Anonymous
>>524283
I'd be insulted that she didn't tell me. But my initial question would be, "why?" -

Why didn't she tell me sooner? Why did she tell me this now? Why did she choose to become trans gendered?

Yes, I believe 'why' would be a good description of my reaction.
>> Anonymous
>>524289
Not too astonishing of an answer. But to understand why, you'd really would have to know one going into the works. Do you think your relationship would survive?
>> Anonymous
Tranny-datin girl here. What a lot of you seem to be missing is how transgendered people socialize and how they transition and whatnot.

Online and in bigger cities, there are MANY resources for the transgendered person (MTF and FTM) who is going through the tough time of transitioning, especially if family, friends, and workplace aren't understanding due to region and culture. These transpersons become friends, they slowly out themselves to people they trust online and off, and they begin a small, but safe, network of friends, relatives, and lovers who know and accept their transgenderism. I have never known a transperson to go outside these tranny-made webs of acquaintances and friends--imagine the old joke about how, even if there are only three lesbians in a small town, they all have each other on speed dial and have all dated one another? Well there are a hell of a lot less trannies than gay, lesbian, and bi people (hell, transgendered people can be bi, gay, and lesbian too). Local city communities tend to form through trans-friendly psychologists, surgeons, and trans-friendly doctors whose common practice it is to put a young, scared tranny neophyte into contact with the larger tranny community.

It is through these connections of "We know who you are and who you were and we love you anyway" that most, if not ALL, trannies meet people who would never care if they were dating a tranny. Trannies in conservative areas usually move to very tranny-friendly places like Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, and some Canadian cities to live, transition, and settle down for the rest of their lives.

No one is trapping a normal joe or jane and going "I'M A TRANNY. TOUCH ME!" Sex partners almost ALWAYS come from a close-knit group of friends and acquaintances you meet through the medical professionals and self-help groups.
>> Anonymous
>>524297
Would it?

That's...difficult to say. Hypothetical scenario with hypothetical feelings that I don't actually feel at the moment you understand why I might be faced with such a hard time answering.

I don't know. It would depend as much on her as me, I think. If she honestly still showed love and affection towards me, and was faithful, then I suppose it would.
>> Anonymous
>>524301
That's a bit more reassuring. Thank you.
>> Anonymous
>>524301
That does make sense, I never really considered what they would do exactly as post-op. My friend spoke of moving out of state, but that was just to be closer to the surgeon he planned on working with. It was really painful for me to think of him going through it, although selfish as that may seem. It was actually his mother who had said it was as if he was going to die and become a completely different person, just imagining the scope of expression that would be cut off to people if they where in a body with a gender they weren't comfortable in made me understand the extent of his motive to do it.
>> Anonymous
>>524305
I'm glad to hear that, you seem like a very sensible person, despite our differences in thought.
>> Anonymous
>>524307
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't happen that a transperson doesn't meet a normal person totally on a fluke and it works out between them, but even I had trans friends before I even MET my gf (which is how I was tipped off by her behavior in the first place--I had a whole slew of friends whose 'trandar' went off), so I was already in the community.

There are quite a few 'average' people who have a friend or relation who is trans or like futa or reverse traps or whatever who are totally cool with dating transpeople. Hell, there are some people who are just really liberal who don't give a fuck.

So yeah, don't worry about a tranny 'trapping' any of you sweethearts--chances are good she's already found someone who knows her plight pretty intimately to be, well, intimate with--any of that mythical trapping is much too dangerous and too close to rape to be fun. Most trannies just want to transition, find someone trans-friendly to love/marry/fuck and then just go what is called "stealth." You know, your partner knows, and both your families know you are/were trans, but you go on with your life as if it didn't happen as a pact, because, hey, if you are going to be fucking someone, it's not really their business.
>> Anonymous
>>524107
Shemales hardly ever like fucking others in the ass.
>> Anonymous
>>524325
That's a little disappointing.
>> Anonymous
>>524320
>it's not really their business

Now if only people I talk to would be content with that answer. It seems like everyone, even people you're not friends with, seems to think they deserve to know everything about you.
>> Anonymous
>>524317
Thank you,
I've always liked the, "agree to disagree" discipline of thought.
>> Anonymous
>>524320
Oh, I should say, definitely, that being 'stealth' is totally a state of mind where you don't go around telling people you're trans. There is a HUGE paper trail nowadays between doctors, name-change lawyers, and surgeons so that if someone DOES transition, get a new name, even move to another country, they cannot hide that they transitioned. Dig deep enough, and anyone can find out who you were born as. Stealth is a state of mind, and with super-computers backing everything up, there's no way to Billy Tipton it (Wiki him) and fool everyone until the day you die.
>> Anonymous
>>524331
Coincidentally, I was going to throw one of those out some time ago, but I thought it too cliche and opted to continue to discuss.
>> Anonymous
>>524289
Well, the question on "Why did she choose to be transgendered." it's not really so much a choice as, "Why did someone choose to be gay?" The only choice really was that they acted on it and did something about it.
>> Anonymous
>>524330
Sorry, I meant "aren't going to be fucking someone." Of course if you're intimate, it's your partner's business. I meant, you know, co-workers, strangers on the street, hobos, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>524337
That's basically what I was asking:
Why did she do the operation. You were thinking being trans gendered as in the state of mind and I was thinking the physical operation. I apologize, I should have used, "gender reassignment therapy/surgery."
>> Anonymous
>>524338
I know what you meant, don't worry. I meant mostly though on a broader base. Everyone is so damned nosey about a lot of things. Just leave me alone, god damnit!
>> Anonymous
>>524329
If they're like more than a year on hormones I don't think they can even get it up anymore.
>> Anonymous
>>524346
That would explain a few things, but I sort of figured that already. So much -BAD- tranny porn out there....in my opinion.
>> Anonymous
Sorry, trans-datin' girl here.

Let me be frank--outside of the trans community this is the most open, honest, and considerate discussion on transgenderism and the philosophy thereof I've ever had.

/d/: come for the porn, stay for the love (just don't get it in your eye.)
>> Anonymous
I wish I could post my dgirl/tgirl porn for you dudes because you're so nice. <3 Stupid image limit!
>> Anonymous
>>524339
Oh yeah, that's a very understandable question then. It's a difficult thing to understand.
>> Anonymous
>>524349
I masturbate to women with tentacles raping women with vaginas on their hands.

What would it say if something so little as transgenderism would rub me the wrong way?
>> Anonymous
>>524349
I take it upon myself to be open and to discuss things at length with people. It's my only regret that some people are just severely stubborn, impatient, and intolerable, and that I have to share space around them; even through the interwebs (even if some of them aren't -really- being serious).
>> Anonymous
>>524357
I don't know! XD

I wish I had a witty response, but Dan Savage is right on--freaky, kinky people are the best goddamn people on the planet.
>> Anonymous
>>524349
Are you dating an MtF or an FtM?
>> Anonymous
>>524362
Neither, we split up some time after the trans-gendered discussion, due to an unrelated issue. But he was MtF.
>> Anonymous
>>524365
*was going to be MtF
>> Anonymous
>>524362
Sorry if I didn't make it entirely clear (pronouns lulz)! My partner is MTF, which is why I spoke up in the first place. Yeah, she has a dick and balls now, but in my opinion that just means my strap-on won't get much use unless I'm wearing it! XD
>> Anonymous
Shit, I think I just messed up Anonymi, sorry.

Disregard these:>>524365,>>524366
>> Anonymous
>>524368
It's fine. I was going to tell you to stick your foot in your mouth, but I realized it was a mistake and not "same person lol" /b/tard hijinks. You're fine. :3
>> Anonymous
Fair warning:
It's late at night/early in the morning, so don't expect this kind of discussion on 4chan at other times of the day.
>> Anonymous
>>524378
I don't know if it's because all the gaia kiddies or immature fucks are in bed, but I love staying up late just to come to /d/, /b/, and other notoriously bitchy boards and just have nice conversations. It makes me feel so good when I curl up next to my girlfriend and say "I had a nice chat on 4chan today."

I don't know why, but I always feel I dodged a bullet and it makes me have hope.
>> Anonymous
>>524387
I had a similar thought.
>> Anonymous
>>524387
>>524390
I didn't have a similar thought, but it's starting to come around, now that I think it over.
>> Anonymous
This thread turned surprisingly civil.
>> Anonymous
>>524404
Young, happy trannies have a soothing, cuddly effect on people.
>> Anonymous
>>524406
I've heard that people who are in the closet, either gay or transsexual or something. That in their early life they're very introverted and antisocial but seem to be a lot more open when they're out of the closet.
>> Anonymous
Well I'm taking my soothed, cuddly self to bed. Goodnight /d/, don't lose your hard-on.
>> Anonymous
>>524408
Yeah, I've definitely seen (and experienced) that. My girlfriend was very, very antisocial early in life but once we met and started dating and she came out as trans, she was sooo fucking happy. Yes, I may have 'lost' my boyfriend, but I gained a beautiful, happy, fulfilled woman who I love 10x more than I ever loved that shy, cynical man--and I loved him enough to move 2k miles to be with him.

Even being queerish, it was so refreshing to stop trying to pigeon-hole myself into gay/straight dichotomy, or try rigidly label myself. People still call me a freak (I get off to pretty much all porn ever: gay, straight, lesbian, yaoi, yuri, futa, het, etc.), but I know who I am and therefore, you tend to feel better about yourself instead of being in a box.
>> Anonymous
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