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Tg From Japan (among other things) Anonymous
http://www.hinoki.sakura.ne.jp/~pisipisi/souko/
>> Anonymous
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Need to use a proxy to get there!
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every day is refap refap
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every fap is repost repost
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every fap fap refap refap
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fffffffffffffap
>> Anonymous
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/r/ the rest of the pics off this site, as i can't get proxy to work
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>> Anonymous
these are excellent *fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
>> Anonymous
Not to get all phil-mo-sophmical on everybody, but why do you think some of us like TG so much? Is it part of an inbred desire to actually be, in these cases, female? Is it the desire to conquer a once-dominant male into a submissive female? Is it because of the sattelites that are spying on me because I know they put flouride in the drinking water?
>> Anonymous
>>196070
It's obviously sattelites.
>> Anonymous
>>196070


Like most fetishes, its about power and control. Anonymous likes to see the manilest of men turned into the girliest of girls and then sex0red in humiliation because of oh sh-

I mean, FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP
>> FKA Anonymous !4UjY1di7KI
>>196070
Maybe some of us just wanna be able to dress up, look pretty, and not have our clothes cut to fit us like tents?
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>>196070
The plastic caps on the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
>> Anonymous
>>196070
escapism. "I wish my life wasn't like this... What if I was born a chick?" OSHI- fapfapfap
post moar of this!
>> Anonymous
>>196097
Hey, that works for me. I've always sort of wanted to be a girl. I'm not gay (bisexual/bicurious) but it's always sort of been a fascination as to why. Oh well. *fapfapfap*
>> Anonymous
I wanna be a girl too fapfapfap
>> Risq
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>> Anonymous
It never ceses to amaze me that no one knows about transgender people. Nor do they know the suffering we have to go through. That guy beside you may be a woman that woman on the other side may be a man. I also have no idea why people are fascinated by the transgender people that go through the process. Just leave us alone. To the guy that made the inbred comment, go crawl in a ditch and die you redneck.
>> Risq
I want to ram my cock through his eye balls and brains and then jizz in his skull.
>> Anonymous
Stop it risq -_- I know how much you love to joke. For all the people with an IQ under the monitor you are looking at, here's a definition.

"Appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex."

For the clice term, a man in a woman's body or a woman in a man's body. Not all transgendered people undergo sergury. I'm done now, that inbred comment made me a little angry.
>> Anonymous
>>196167
You talk to much. Just shut up and hit it.
>> Anonymous
>>196165
1.I don't think he meant inbred as an insult. Even if he did(he said some of us, so he would be insulting himself but..), he was talking about people who liked TG porn, not transgendered people themselves.

2.Look, you may have to go through a lot, but it was YOUR CHOICE. So stop bothering people about their fetishes, and acting like you're a victim, just because there's hentai of males being turned into females.
>> Anonymous
>>196181
Do you think homosexuality is a choice too?
>> Anonymous
>>196185
Yes. No one makes you act on your urges, you do.
>> Anonymous
we do not choose to be female-in-male-body, male-in-female-body or homosexual or whatever
we are BORN this way whenever you like it or not
only thing we may choose is to tell others who we really are, nothing more
>> Anonymous
>>196185
Though I hate to jump into this web-drama (O NOES! INTERNET ARGUMENT! SERIOUS BUSINESS!) homosexuality isn't a choice. Okay, sure, you CHOOSE to have gay sex, there's no denying that. But which "urges" you have are built in. It's just like any other taste. If you taste a new food, and it almost makes you vomit, did you CHOOSE to want to vomit? Of course not. You'd love to think it was the best food in the world, like your father does. Similarly, many gay people have commited suicide because they couldn't handle "the shame and guilt" of being attracted to the same sex.

And it is natural. Look up homosexuality in animals on Wikipedia, for a quick reference. I mean, bison really put the bi- in their name, if you catch my meaning.

The same, I'd say, goes for transgendered people. They just "feel" out of place in the sex of their body. Be this because of societal standards placed on their gender (I.E. a shy boy who hates violence, or a tomboyish girl who can't stand being considered weak and frilly) or because of hormones or what have you. Obviously they CHOOSE whether or not to get a sex-change operation, but they can't choose how they feel.

Now that I've said my piece, less drama, more piccies.
>> Anonymous
>>196188Yes. No one makes you act on your urges, you do.

homosexuality is a sexual orientation, anonymous. You still have the gay even if you refuse to act on your urges. You probably know this already because it's retarded, but you're dodging the question with MAD INTERN3T SKILLZ
>> xAndrA !YgQRHAJqRA
>>196181

It's not a choice. If it were, I wouldn't have made it, trust me.
>> Anonymous
Anyone who says "It's not a choice" is full of shit.

You ALWAYS have a choice. It's called "Free Will". Denial of it only serves to prove your ignorance and weakness.
A person can be anything and anyone they CHOOSE to be...if they have the conviction to.
>> Anonymous
If someone though they should have been with only one arm. Would a docter chop that off?
>> rorikonkon
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It's pretty simple really. If you were born with an X chromosome you are a man. No amount of surgery, makeup or pretty dresses will change that fact. If you have an X chromosome and you think you are truly a woman, you have a mental illness that you and your loved ones will have to learn to deal with.

Now post more pics of hot anime girls.
>> Anonymous
>>196278
Deciding to act on what you feel or not is the free will. Feeling is just instinct. You can chouse to be happy in a sad situation, though if you ignore the sadness it will eventually catch up with you. People are complicated, if you deny your true feelings you will eventually brake.
>> Anonymous
>>196280
they make people in to cat people so why not?
>> Anonymous
>>196285

Fails for stupidity. Every person alive has at least one X chromosome. The Y chromosome is what makes a male....
>> Anonymous
>>196268
it IS a choice, in whatever way you look at it. If you've made it, then you're very brave, and you thought it would be the best for you. But you could have chosen not to do anything, and live a (maybe) less happier life
>> Anonymous
There is a long history of doctors shoehorning babies with ambiguous genitalia into one sex or the other, often without the parents' knowledge or consent. Sex isn't necessarily a biologically set-in-stone sort of thing; there are a range of other possibilities besides the two primary societal constructs of gender.
>> Anonymous
>>196295
Gender is set in stone for anyone who was born with a normal biology. Any tampering with that biology and your body knows it. GB2 PSYCH100
>> Anonymous
>>196298
correction gender identity
>> Anonymous
Some people are born with an abnormal biology without any tampering. Kline-Felter Syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen insensitivity syndrome, and a host of other diseases can produce odd genotypes beyond the typical XX or XY, or can produce a phenotype not associated with the genotype.

GB2 Anthropology 101.
>> Anonymous
Excuse me; by diseases, I mean disorders. Sorry.
>> Anonymous
http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/04/05/sex_police/

Ah, here we are.
>> Anonymous
Sex is biological. Gender roles are social constructs. Gender identity is psychological. None of the above conform to a strictly male/female dichotomy 100% of the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
>> Anonymous
Intleligent conversation on /d? I don't habeeb it..someone twinkie house me so I know this isn't a dream..
>> Anonymous
>>196070

For me, it's probably a combination of:

1) Latent transsexuality

2) Turning a person into a girl emphathizes the girl-qualities of the end result. When beauty is the end result of a proccess, it is far sexier in my opinion than if we merely start with beauty and keep it that way.

Teleological sexiness~
>> Anonymous
I'm going to be honest here. I've long kept to myself in this odd little world we live in. I am a male and always will be one. As its said surgery will do nothing to change genetics and I know changing the outside will never really do it. But I will always feel I was meant to be a female. I look at girls with not lust but envy and it's a personal hell that I must live with. Why am I like this I don't know but I am what I am and I will always want to be a girl and I have since I could realize it. I don't know what’s it's like for others I really don't say this every cause I don't want to deal with the hell it would bring. I'm not gay and I don't think I ever could be. Humans are odd creatures and we all have out differences this is just one of mine.
>> Anonymous
>>196368
Though since people can't change society, they have to conform by it one way or the other.

And a lot of the same can be said to those who are transsexual or are envious of the other gender's lifestyles.

Gender and sexual bodies go hand in hand as I see it. I can admit that it'd definitely be interesting to become a 100% female if it was magically possible. If atleast for curiosity. And it'd be fun living in their own gender roles too. That said, I don't think this is entirely up to the biology of it all. One of the alluring part of transsexuality is that of going from one gender niche to another.
>> Anonymous
>>196381
Heh, my parents always kept telling me that I'd be better off as a girl. I'm not gay either, but I supposedly act a lot like one I hear. That said, I'm personally proud to be a guy. Strange how that happens.
>> Meiluy
>>196381

Well, I never thought I was alone in the way I felt, but just the same, it's nice to see someone else saying the same things I've been saying as of late. Thanks for making me feel a little less... outcast... That being said, here's a website with Net Fiction with a TG theme.
http://www.fictionmania.com/
And a good hub of transformation websites and sources
http://www.metamorphose.org/
>> Anonymous
>>196381
>>196391
Same here. Nothing gar about me and nevar will be. In fact, I consider myself quite manly and fap to all the right pron. Yet if I could transfer my conscience to a body of a chick, I can see myself going for it.
Sometimes I look at my hand and it just feels wrong, as if something is misaligned. Oftentimes by looking around, I feel how absurd what I see is. Things just don't seem like they beling, like they are real, if you can understand what I mean. Either way, I'm sure that any pill-doctor worth his corporate bribe can perscribe me 5 kinds of pills. =)
Somebody post moar tg pics before this turns into a text board!
>> Anonymous
Irreversible transgender operations are just a horrible concept to me (what if you *do* change back to mentally normal mode after a decade or so? It's sure worse than deciding you don't like a tatoo you got in your teens).
But I would sure like to try out gurrlness via temporary brain transfer or so. Probably just natural curiosity. 95% of the time I just thank god for being an XY person (queues before public bathrooms, red wings, makeup troubles, high heels, needing to learn martial arts to kick a guy's ass... the list is fucking endless). So I can't understand *real* transgender people at all. Just be glad you were born with a far more practical body and forget your aesthetic issues. -_-
>> Anonymous
I really want to /try/ being a girl, but I don't think I'd want to keep it that way. When you think about it, guys seem (to me) to be a lot better off - we don't bleed out our genitals every month, we (generalisation) tend to be more emotionally stable, we don't have to go through pregnancy or childbirth (though nowadays women don't, either).

To top it off, we're generally considered the "better" gender, though that's complete bullcrap.

Maybe I just want to have breasts. <3
>> Anonymous
Dating a pre-op male-to-female transsexual gives one quite a bit of insight in the matter. I used to think it was a rather bizarre idea, but now it's...just something I accept. Some people truly are born into the wrong bodies.
>> Anonymous
>>196383
>Though since people can't change society, they have to conform by it one way or the other.

I think we're damn glad you weren't Martin Luther King Jr.'s career counselor.
>> Merle
>>196480

Breasts are, indeed, nifty.

The female body is also considered to be more sensitive than the male (physically), to enjoy sex more, and to be more attractive.

I'm not a psychologist, but I've always thought that it was likely that most males want to be what they consider attractive; after all, does anyone like thinking of themselves as ugly? For straight men, they find women much more attractive than men. The male body is hard, hairy, clumsy, whereas females are perceived as soft, smooth, and delicate; thus straight men would like to be lesbians.
>> Anonymous
>>196562
"The male body is hard"

Its good to have something hard. . .
>> Anonymous
>>196509
I'm not saying that everybody had to conform. But let's face it. You can't singlehandedly expect everybody to understand you if you do go the transsexual path or become gender ambiguous. It's just too much hassle and abuse to go through for the normal person.
>> Not Anonymous
>>196566
That's true. Which is why the transsgender and gay communities have their own niches. If everybody could just walk the streets being completely accepted by the people, then there wouldn't be such grouping of sexualities and gender identities. It's just a fact of life now.

And to most people, their own gender that's been given to them biologically is a sacred thing. It's only natural for people to be a bit polarized regardless.
>> Anonymous
http://www.hypnoticwishes.com/learn/transgender-origins.shtml
>> Anonymous
Also, theres a difference between people that are TG and really need to be female so they can feel good about themselves, and the rarer kind, which is basically a normal male that finds it damn hot the idea of having a female body or usage of female clothing...like yours truly.
>> LOL!TRIPCODEFAGGOT
>>196383
Because blacks are still slaves, women still can't vote, and the automobile was just a phase?
Society changes both easily and rapidly, it just doesn't seem to do so if you're measuring it based on your own lifetime.

Within twenty years people will wonder what the big fuss over gay marriage was, and the current 'social crisis' will have moved on to something else - possibly transgender people or government recognition of gender.

This is the nature of society; it notices something abnormal, works itself into a frenzy, calms down, and accepts the abnormality as benign, and finally moves on to repeat the cycle with something else. Eventually, something happens that 'wipes the board' so to speak by knocking the society back to whatever prior age is appropriate.
Very rarely, some horrible tragedy occurs that drasticly alters the status of one specific group. Two ready examples of this are the holocaust and 9/11. When people discovered the Nazi death camps, the cultural perception of jews changed drasticly almost overnight and they went from being almost universally disliked to being tolerated or accepted. When 9/11 occured, literally overnight people went from accepting muslims to wishing to drink their blood and feast on the entrails of their children.
>> Anonymous
if you're going to post discussion without posting pictures, sage your posts. It's the polite thing to do. There's no reason to bump the thread if you're not adding any pictures.
>> ~Shinta !wxFgSMZig2
>>196614
Please use citation in your arguments or just don't try to argue in a hentai board. It's also likely that in the future people will wonder why anyone would ever like someone of another gender, you can't tell what will happen so please tell me what search engine you are using to gaze into the future and predict future-society's opinion on gays. So shut up and stop bumping threads if you can't be contributive.
>> Anonymous
Gender surgery is going a bit too far just to address our "urges".

People are confusing "urges" with nature, and confusing gender identity with what we cultivate within our own minds.

Just because lots of people invent a sub-culture around their urges doesn't make it good and natural. Just because we have television shows and movies and internet sites doesn't make a sub-culture healthy or accurate or right.

We impose gender identity at a young age because it is necessary for a youngsters sexuality at an older age. Deal with it.
>> Anonymous
Eh, I've always thought I'd be happier in a female body, but like a lot of others have said, I wouldn't be willing to go through any operations or anything to become one. Of course, given the choice of the theoretical instantaneous-magical-sex-change, I'd do it without a second thought.
Perhaps I fall under the 'doesn't like his male body because of finding the female body more attractive' category mentioned above.
I feel like I could stick with my body more happily if I spent some cash on some laser hair removal surgery to get rid of the hair I have on me, because I just plain don't like it.(and maybe lose some weight, and maybe buy some cute clothes. Man, I hate feeling like I'm fashion conscious, but I guess I am. I hate dressing in clothes that don't make me feel particularly happy with my body :P.)
Oh, and because I guess it may be relevant, I'm a bi male, currently with a girl for three years.
>> Anonymous
>>196251
I'm a shy guy who hates violence, but I don't hate my body. Lots of males hate violence and are fine with their body. Transgender is an entirely psychological concept (one that can be worked on by a therapist). It is not based on your genetics, as the sexual orientation of a gay at least in part most likely is.

>>196287
Feelings are more than uncontrollable urges. You can develop them a certain way, as all cultures do with their youth (ex: in America..."don't cry or you're a baby!").

>>196381
Honestly you sound like you're convincing yourself more than us. Someone who believes he will always feel a certain way about themselves is not uncommon in the psychiatric field (patients).

>>196614
All you've done is subscribe to the Western concept of "progress". Whether it happens or not, especially the way you perceive it, is not guaranteed.

>>196657
Your concept of happiness is primitive and materialistic. True contentment is attained by the things you do, not the things people do to you (or the way they act towards you).

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>>196669
No, my concept of being comfortable with my body is primitive and materialistic. And frankly, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm fairly happy with my body as is, but I wouldn't mind some improvements that would make me more satisfied with it.
My concept of happiness revolves around making others happy and living a fufilling life.
>> Anonymous
>>196614
I don't think you're understanding the point. You're saying as if sexuality is a "trend" and that things will change so easily. Then what of all the sexual revisioning of the 60's and 70's? After decades, not much has changed. Genuine homosexuals in the population is still in the very small minority and people are just content being hetero for the most part. I'm not advocating for conformity, it's just that there's no indication that things will change. And why change something when it's something most people don't really care about? Sexuality in itself isn't something to help overcome. Same to same sex marriages. If they're more accepted and all, that's great. But there's no stepladder to success or a program to make it work.

>>196669
But aren't just about all forms of sexuality materialistic and primitive?
>> Anonymous
I happy being a guy. But DG/TV/TG...is still hot to me...I don't know exactly why. Also, I don't consider myself gay or bi. I only have the urge to pursue girls in real life.
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>>196368
Damn you, you stole my argument :P
I agree completely.

as for me being bi, the only thing I ever chose was to stop denying it, and I was trying pretty damn hard to deny it.

There aren't enough pictures here.
>> Anonymous
I don't understand the importance of marriage.

Could someone explain to me why it was a better idea to allow homosexuals to marry than to abolish marriage?
>> Anonymous
>>196752
In the ancient days, it was a rite of family continuation. Nowadays, it's both a rite of family continuity and the way the government wants to advocate the birth of new children (AKA tax payers).

Simple idea, no?
>> LOL!TRIPCODEFAGGOT
>>196683
Did I ever say that sexuality was a trend? No, social acceptance is. Additionally, I never said if that was good or a bad, only that it's what's been happening throughout history.

No, it's not guaranteeded, but then again neither is the continued existance of humanity. This is the path that America has been taking, and while that may well change it's currently the only set we have to predict future outcomes.

>>196647
Well, if you want to argue that there have NOT been progressively fewer lynchings of blacks, chineese, latinos, jews, gypsies, indians, japanese, or etc in america as time has gone on, then that's your buisness.
Frankly, this is 4chan. I'm arguing for the sake of arguing rather than for the sake of convincing people, and I've forgone citing sources as nothing I've said is esoteric enough that the average person doesn't know about it. Further, you don't cite sources for opinion.

Also, I bumped the thread because the artist is awesome and is was off the first page.
>> Anonymous
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Since I was the one who ended up starting this little argument, I feel a little responsible. As such, here's an actual picture from a translated manga, Mother's Day
>> Anonymous
>>196817
The thing I was talking about was if such a change is due, there's no sign of it happening as of here and now. This is the reason why people tend to clump in groups of sexuality/gender specific niches. Again, I'm talking about the situation right NOW and not some speculative future. I'm not saying that we need to CONTINUE to conform. It's just that it's a fact of life that people always tend to conform to the current situation of sexuality as perceived by the public. It's not a fair situation nor does it make a lot of sense in itself. I'm just being a realist in this.

Also, drop the whole "I'm in 4chan" defense. That doesn't mean anything. And though the topic is a bit off from the whole image oriented nature of this board, it's not like we've been flaming eachother or have somehow done something negative. No need to make a big fuss about it IMO.
>> Anonymous
There was a torrent of deadfrog before, but now it is gone. Anyone have?