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Himanka? Anonymous
So, it's come to my attention recently that "body expansion" the genre is called ??? (himanka) by some Japanese fans and ??? by a few others. It makes sense, but unfortunately Google suggests that it's probably not the best search string ever, what with only 14,100 hits for ???.

I know this is an /r/ of sorts, but I was wondering if any BBW or body expansion vets here could tell me what the #1 Japanese name for the genre is that they know about. I tried asking in /r/ several times on 4/18/2008 to no avail.

Sample image: search for ????????????????? , it's one of the Gallery pics
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Another sample from the same artist and found on the same website.
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And for anyone who hasn't seen it before (y'never know), here are six images in sequence:

1 ...
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2 ...
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3 ...
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4 ...
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5 ...
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... and 6!

Source: http://milkwhite.sakura.ne.jp/main.html
>> Anonymous
bump
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Well, looks like I got one bump in the time I was gone. Cool. You know what's cooler? Bumping with an image contribution! ;) Here's one now -- since some time's passed, I'm going to try for a different timezone of BBW experts and see if they can't weigh in on this.

Correction: decided to upload four sample pictures from Kato Hayabusa's "Love Belly." So here's 1 ...
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2 ... (the unwitting damsel begins her transformation)
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3 ... (nothing seems to be any different)
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... and 4! (Kids, the moral of the story is: you try to make a little side cash by entering into eating contests, you're gonna wind up like this. Minus the wild hot sex.)
>> Anonymous
hugeass bump
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One more try for a different group of Anons. The following samples are a repost from a thread about a week or so ago featuring some of Kato Hayabusa's older works. Rapidsearch for "MaruMaru" if interested.
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And that's it for the MaruMaru sample.
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All I've got are these two tiny preview sample from one of Kato Hayabusa's doujins.
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But on the grounds that it has Louise casting herself fat, I believe it to be some sort of holy grail.
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? ??? ? ????????? ????????
that's a next page)
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>>875010
you forgot this one
>> Anonymous
btw, if anyone wants the Hayabusa doujins...i posted about 9-10 of them on rapidshare a while back

http://rapidshare.com/files/83703089/hayabusa.rar.html

Think this is it but i'm really not too sure. If it is it has one or 2 of them translated into english =D
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Thanks, guys! Though my search is for intel and not images (weird, I know), I'm glad that you've made an effort to bump using images when possible.Feel free to post more "???" stories if you want, though my wish won't be fulfilled until I actually have the tool I seek to enable me to search for these stories more proficiently on my own.

On a different note, if you're reading this and you're an Anon who knows the answer to my question but are holding out on a "Don't feed the /r/'s!" policy, I ask you to reconsider in this case. I'm not /r/'ing Naruto Doujin #344 or "Can you identify the author of this pic?" (Iruma Kamiri) or some other "newfag" thing. This is a more out-in-left-field request that I don't think any other 4chan channel is prepared to answer.

Sample image: if you search for ???, one of the first Google hits is a "What if the Suzumiya Haruhi characters gained a little weight?" thread. URL: http://kitokitovip.blog85.fc2.com/blog-entry-65.html . Not exactly my thing (since the transformation isn't really provided), but if you're into BBW and Haruhi, then this is for you.
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>>875220
Learn to /request/ bannably. You requested and then actually frigging contributed. You're already better than those who ask for doujins and give nothing back.

By the way, have you tried searching with the Japanese words for "fat" and whatever they call hentai over there?
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>>875220
Learn to /request/ bannably. You requested and then actually frigging contributed. You're already better than those who ask for doujins and give nothing back. The main reason nobody is answering is probably because the amount of BBW fetishists on here who actually speak moonspeak is very low.

By the way, have you tried searching with the Japanese words for "fat" and whatever they call hentai over there?
>> Anonymous
>>875239
Jests aside, of course I don't want to be banned and only posted after days of trying to find the answer on my own. At my wits end, I took a chance and posted an /r/ here. (It didn't hurt that in the last 48 hours it seems like a wave of /r/'s have been politely granted, so I figured now was the time to act.)

The words for fat are many, just like in English. You could search for ?? (debu) or ?? (futoi) if you wanted common terms. But what I'm looking for is a specific "fetish label" by which all or nearly-all Japanese fetishists index stuff.

In plain English, let's say a guy likes big breasts? He could search for "boobs," "breasts," "tits," "knockers," "fun bags," so on and so forth, not to mention he's gotta include the size, too! So we get "big boobs," "huge boobs," "ridiculously large boobs," so on and so forth. All those searches could tire a guy out and yield very little per individual search. What he needs is "that one search string which most BB fans use." And such a string exists! ... in Japanese. There are really only two terms by which the big breast fetish goes in J-hentai circles: ?? (kyonyuu, enormous breasts) and ?? (bakunyuu, lit. "explosive breasts" but the meaning is like "ridiculously large", like they're bursting out of her chest they're so damn big). You google for either of these and you're going to get a shitton of hits. (15 fucking million and 7 million!!)

(tl;dr so continued in next post)
>> Anonymous
875246, con't.

So just as a BB fan needs to index his searches by ?? and ?? to maximize his results (even if he speaks no Japanese at all), so too do I imagine there are terms for the BBW fan, specifically the fan of body expansion, breast expansion, and other transformations. That's the info I'm seeking: "the nickname 2channers have given to body expansion." We saw BBW, they say ... what? We say BE, they say ... what? That's my target. Fuck, if someone had a list of every single 4chan nickname for fetishes in the left-hand column and the 2chan equivalent in the right-hand column, that'd be the Holy Grail.

tl;dr, I know, I know. If you read all this, kudos.
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Speaking of the topic, this doujin just hit Dlsite. Anyone grab it, by chance?
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>>875247
I have nothing to contribute. as I have no expertise in that field.
just wanted to say... that was interesting to know...

thanks, gl on finding info
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Uploading some more stuff so I'm not a total fuckin' mooch.
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>> Anonymous
So, anyone got>>875256by chance?
>> Anonymous
Is anyone else having trouble accessing Akira Agata's site? Lots of his BBW pics turn up 404 for me.

That being said, are there any rapidshares of his work floating around?
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>>875256
Funny you should bring this up! For that was the picture which motivated me to google those strings in the first place! ??? we've discussed at length already, but the other is ??? or chounyuuka for those interested. Not nearly as useful or common a search term as kyonyuu or bakunyuu, though.

Even if you speak no Japanese, does anybody know the names of some famous (I mean famous like Hellabunna or Drill Murata or Gunma Kisaragi famous!) BBW artists? BBW seems to be pretty much absent from most of the major H-magazines I download, so I haven't had much exposure to the culture or to the terms used. If I knew of one or two of the top artists' webpages, I could scour it for clues as to what they themselves refer to their own fetish as. And from there I could find clues to the more specific (and OP) question of what "transforming a thin girl into a fat girl" is called.

Sample: two pictures merged into one that come from one of Cowbell's body growth sequences. The link contains all of the relevant pictures (6): http://rapidshare.com/files/110102945/Kyonyuu_mo_Himan_mo.rar.html
>> Anonymous
>>875278
Allow me to clarify, I mean famous *AND* published in H-magazines. Artists who have thousands of pictures on their websites but next to no publications don't really help much because what I need is TEXT exposure (like you'd get in a doujin), not more pictures of the ladies.
>> Anonymous
>>875278

Interesting and all, and I'm guessing you don't have it, do you?

Feh...Been looking for this for months...
>> Anonymous
>>875282
I wasn't interested enough in it to try and look, actually. After I wrote down the words on the picture, I deleted it. Sorry.
>> Anonymous
>>875008
>>875010
>>875012
This katohayabusa manga is a holy grail indeed. The last picture is not one released on his page...where on earth did you find it? This manga absolutely must be found, for it contains huge amounts of win.
>> Anonymous
>>875358
Maru, I believe, is Japanese.
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>>875358
>>875373
There is no possibility not only for downloading, Kato wasn't related this yet at all. Just give a promo to public...
Also I'm not japanese :-p
the post with image "marumaru-10" shows my first language
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>>875389
He's the Russians!
thanks for all your Maru stuff anyway.
>> Maru
>>875392
)))^_~ mutual aid is our solid foundation
I have a question to our community:
Does anyone know what's wrong with animexpansion forum?
>> Anonymous
>>875426
This going to be fun.
>> Anonymous
>>875358
>>875389
either clarify better or there has to be some place it's available, even for, gasp, money
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>>875462
There is no chance to buy it yet by DL.
Also I'm requesting for ??(crow maru) manga.
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>>875278
I love akira agaatas stuff. His fat women are the best.
>> Anonymous
>>875470
I'm not talking about download, if it exists it has to be for sale somewhere
>> Anonymous
>>875489
OP weighing in. From what I've read of Cowbell (different author, similar principle), the following happens:

1) he doesn't produce that many copies of his doujins
2) they don't go to retail
3) he pleads with his (Japanese) fanbase to not resell them to Americans or to scan them

Granted, I learned this from another American, so it could be nothing more than xenophobic supposition, but I have heard of similar stories with other Comiket-prominent authors in the past, so it's certainly within the realm of belief.

The relevance to your argument is, yes it *does* seem likely that we should be able to find the ZnT doujin of Kato Hayabusa's considering we've found most of the others, but don't argue that "if it exists, we can find it; and if we can find it, we should find it." The first claim is a statistical axiom; but the second? That's where you'll get caught up -- you could very well search and search your entire life for something you *KNOW* exists and never find it.

(more in next reply)
>> Anonymous
875532, con't.

Also, do not assume that every doujin available for purchase in Akiba is being retailed/mass-produced. Chances are high that purchasable doujinshi in a specialty shop were purchased by (a) employees of the store who went to Comiket or (b) fans who went to Comiket and resold the doujin to the store owner for chump change (even if against the wishes of the doujin circle). So once even the store-sold copies are gone, in many cases they're gone for good. It's like saying, "I know that Hellabunna's Inu Volume 1 Murasaki exists, so if I want it bad enough I can have it." If all 10,000 copies are either destroyed or in the hands of obsessed otaku, no realistic amount of money will help me out. (Seriously you don't propose spending $10,000 to get this ZnT doujin, used, from a guy in Tokyo?)

So try not to get frustrated with your fellow Anons when they tell you, "You can't find it anywhere." The hope you hold on to, they have relinquished. Which party to pity, I don't think any of us can say for certain.

Jesus, I have diarrhea of the mouth. >_> And I was reminded of how much I'd drop for a mint-condition original of Murasaki.
>> Anonymous
he just asked if it's for sale anywhere besides download sites, not for a philosophy lesson on the meaning of existance of porn
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>>875570
Yes, well ... I fucked up.

And on that note, I'm running out of stuff (since there isn't much I had to begin with, hence the nature of the OP -- to empower me to *find* more), so here's an image macro I'm sure you've all seen before but still makes me smile every time I see it.
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>>875011
Is that the only translated page of that one, or is there moar?
>> Kei-chan !!TC9G3mj2n5R
Dunno what you're looking for, but... I have these sites <:3

http://bbs1l.net4u.org/sr3_bbss.cgi?cat=25694aburami
http://www.hp.infoseek.co.jp/h/u/h/huh111/cgi-bin/h.cgi?page=0&lm=80
>> Anonymous
>>875714
There is more. I remember that it was an overall accurate Japanese-to-English translation, but I remember being struck by how literal the translation felt at times, so much so that a lot of the subtle "tone" of the original language was lost. Can't quite put my finger on it. *shrug*

http://rapidsearch.yi.org/?s=marumaru , it's one of the ones that's JUST called Marumaru. As is the raw. I know for certain that marumaru.pdf is the raw version.
>> Anonymous
>>875758
None of the ones JUST called Marumaru worked. D;

Bump for rapidshit.
>> Anonymous
>>875641
Is that from something we can't get too?
>> Anonymous
>>875730
I wanted to thank you for those links before this thread vanishes. I looked into them; didn't get much intel from them since both were more or less image dumps (and the weblog guy didn't use any new fat-fetish terms in the entries I skimmed through), but I did learn a few things. For instance, I learned that ?? (houman) points to a ton of East Asian BBW porno sites. Or so it seemed from a quick glance. Not my thing, but I share the info here for those who are interested.

And I lol'ed at the other site's title -- Aburami Keijiban, or "Lard-Body BBS". That was a new one for me, seeing ???? used to refer to overweight people. Maybe the best Japanese-to-English translation would be "Butterball"? haha I'll have to look into that more to see if it's derogatory, obscure, etc.
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>>875810
If you're interested in the English translation by Maru, it's here: http://rapidshare.com/files/70812928/MaruMaru_by_Maru.rar

I guess my laziness cost you time. I apologize. What I had meant was that the title of the story is just Marumaru, since there were other false positives if you did a rapidsearch for "marumaru," e.g. Kikkake wa Marumaru and Suzumiya Haruhi no Marumaru 2.

Hmm, this thread is getting old/big. Before it goes to the Great Beyond, one last plea for info for the OP request !!
>> Anonymous
>>875885
Thank you. ;D
>> Anonymous
yes, just find the zero doujin and post that one, it would add to the thread content
>> Anonymous
http://www3.llpalace.co.jp/dp/dtl/DPI16347.asp?FLG18=1&CLASS1=0
>> Anonymous
find the unfindable

do the undoable
>> Anonymous
row row
>> Anonymous
Fatso power!
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do not loose thread
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>>875426
It sucks
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VERY NEW_)
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>>875426
Whenever I go there, I always get a virus, so fuck that place, and have some fat Rei
>> Anonymous
and it quickly turns into another generic BBW repost thread
>> Anonymous
>>876623
I think it's because people want to try to help however they can, but nobody seems to know (or want to provide) the answer to my question. I appreciate their efforts, though: it shows that they're trying to their best to help out instead of just mindlessly typing in puretext bumps like a lot of other users do.

Thanks for your concern about the thread getting derailed, but at this point, I think 2 days is more than enough time for someone to have already answered this request if they could have, so I've more or less given up on this thread anyway. Maybe I'll try again in a month or two.
>> Anonymous
>>876633
What question did you have?
>> Anonymous
>>877310
58 + (-87)67 - 45(78) =
>> Mel !iKGMr61IHM!!VJX
>>877341

-9281.
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>>877348
U carred a joke too far
>> Mel !iKGMr61IHM!!VJX
>>877377

U SPELLAN GEWD
>> Maru
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??, ? ???? ?? ???????...
classic english plz