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Anonymous
How close can you really get to a futa? Male to female trannies are rarely convincing. Female to male, dicks don't work. Herms, usually only one works. Am I forgetting anything?
>> Anonymous
OP can you give source?
>> Anonymous
A true hermaphrodite has both the male and female genitalia working, but only 20 or so have ever been recorded in history. Pseudo-hermaphrodites usually only have either the male or female genitals working, or neither works. Usually what the case is, is that their body is mostly female, but they have an enlargened clit, which sometimes doesnt have a hole so they cant cum out of it. So, I suppose it is possible for there to be a real life futa, but it would be very, very rare.
>> Anonymous
sauce plz
>> Anonymous
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>>619706
Sorry, I dunno it...

>>619732
20? Damn, that's even rarer than I thought. Well, I hope medical advances will lead to (working) penis transplants some day.
>> Anonymous
No.619732:

yeah, but is any of those 20 true herms alive? If so, do we have pics? :)
>> Anonymous
>>619747
Any chance of a sauce?
>> Anonymous
Solution:

Seek people with a condition known as androgen-insensitivity syndrome.

I know quite a few people with this as for some reason, it appears more often in Japan.

It renders male characteristics inert in a male, and instead develops female characteristics like a pear-shaped body and breasts.
>> Anonymous
But still gay
>> Anonymous
>>619742
>>619706
http://hpics.com/boas/
>> Anonymous
>>619732

It could be possible through operation. It'd be a tough operation, but it is possible to create a fully functioning futa, even without balls, but can cum. They just have to find a way to suck the testicles in.
>> Anonymous
>>619839
And, y'know, a way to stop the woman's immune system from destroying the new organs. And a place to hook up the arteries where there previous were none so she can have an erection. And a way to hook up the nerve endings. And god knows how many other things.

Sorry to say, but we haven't even had a penis transplant to a MAN yet. Putting one on a woman is a long way's off. Stick with a strap-on.
>> J-san
>>619747
Well, they successfully carried the transplant out once, but only onto another male. And it was then reversed a few days later...

>>619839
I read somewhere that the balls have to be outside the body or else they get too warm to produce sperm. So putting them in might not work.
>> Anonymous
>>619880
The temperature at which sperm can survive is lower than body temperature, yes. It's why we need a scrotum in the first place, and is also why the testes will contract towards or fall away from the body depending on outside temperatures.
>> Anonymous
As I recall, semen isn't given it's slick consistancy and white color due to the sperm in it (which makes up a very, very small percentage of the actual substance), but rather it's due to something called the seminal vesicles, which are actually located inside the body and are seperate from the testicles. Thusly, it would be possible for a man without testicles to ejaculate (assuming the rest of his reproductive tract is intact and functions as it should), and his semen would look and feel the same as it would normally.
>> Anonymous
ITT: biology dorks
>> Anonymous
Fuck off.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>619906

Missing the point that "fully functional" means "fertile". And you'd be hard pressed to find a hermaphrodite capable of bearing children and impregnating someone else.
>> Anonymous
I can't wait until gender lines are destroyed by evolution and androgeny rules supreme.
>> Anonymous
whoa whoa whoa
>>619922
can a hermaphodite or tranny or futa or any of the above produce children or impregnate someone els and if so would the child be one of the above
>> Anonymous
>>619798
thank you
>> Anonymous
It is impossible for a human to be a hermaphrodite. A human being cannot have both sex organs. If it's a dude that looks like a chick (shemale) than yes, he could impregnate a woman. If it was a woman with surgery to have a penis, than no.
>> Anonymous
>>619957

Actually, it's [fairly] common for people to be born with both male and female parts. Generally one or both don't work, and surgery is done to make them whichever gender is more dominant. I doubt it's possible for a true hermaphrodite with functional sex organs of both genders, though.
>> Anonymous
No, I was in biology and this is not possible.
>> Anonymous
Well, if what you are talking about is a futa that is fertile both as a female and a male, they would probably have to be a true hermaphrodite. But, I doubt they would be as sexy as the futas on /d/ are, because they would be FULLY male and female. That means that they would come with the entire package. They would have boobs, facial hair, and probably a deep man voice. The boobs would more than likely stay smallish because of the testosterone from the testicles. They wouldn't be a girl with a penis, they would be both a man and a woman. I don't think it would be possible for there to be a real life futa that is completely fertile, I highly doubt the penis would be fertile, their female genitals may or may not be fertile. In my previous post,>>619732I didn't know you meant a fully fertile futa. So, no, I really don't think that's possible. Sorry to disappoint.
>> Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexuality

/argument
>> Anonymous
>>619973
We weren't having an argument, we were having a /d/iscussion.
>> Anonymous
>>619976

Semantics. It wasn't a flamewar, that's what matters.
>> Anonymous
>>619747
sauce?
>> Anonymous
I was what you would call a real-life 'futa' for 16 years. It was caused, at least from what we could tell, pollution in the environment.

Basically, I was born with a penis, but also had internal female structures. I had no cowper's gland and my urethra was incomplete. I had a penis that was about 1" long, maybe less. My vagina was open completely, with a fused pelvis.

At 12, I devloped hips. My breasts also developed. At one time, when measurements were taken, my body had a little estrogen and no testosterone because my testicles never developed properly. I was sterile. Most of the people who were like me that I've met had it similar.
>> Anonymous
>>620095
pics?
>> Anonymous
>>620095
or, you know, normal mutation.
>> Anonymous
>>620100

I had 'the surgery' 2 years ago, sorry. I was tired of being alone. At least this way I might be able to find a partner. Before, no way :\
>> Anonymous
>>620105
Surgery getting rid of your penis or vagina?
>> Anonymous
>>620106

They used most of my nub and created a clitoris out of it. They took one large skin graft from my thigh and gave me labia. My vagina structure needs dilated every day, but I can lubricate with it, so it works fine.

In other words, I've got female parts, except I have no uterus or ova. I always had a female gender identity.
>> Anonymous
ITT: people who want to BELIEVE

Seriously, yes mutations can mess people up. No, they won't develop two functioning sets of sex organs. The immune system would kill off whichever organ didn't match its XX or XY (or XXY, or whatever) chromosomes, unless suppressed to the point where it no longer exists.
>> Anonymous
>>620109
so your a heshe without the extensive surgery? Hehe, I desire pics.
>> Anonymous
>>620115

Sometimes I wish I was able to get the extensive surgery. I mean, really, there is no difference between me and a transexual, except for the added extended listed of fucked-up things I have wrong with me (Thyroid, pituitary gland, kidneys, bladder) As a matter of fact, my roommate -is- a transexual. I kind of relate with them.
>> Anonymous !XIIXVvRphs
my brother came home from college on a long weekend and brough his girlfriend with him to meet our parents and show her where he grew up being that she was from the east coast of the country and we live on the west and that is where the college is also. he told me that she was a hermaphrodite but I didn't believe him she looked/acted and sounded like a regular girl so of course I though he was totally shitting me, I never seen anything to prove his claim she was kinda quiet at times but seemd really nice. when they left to go back to school I starting thinking why would he say that if it wasn't true, one thing about my brother is he's a pretty honest guy.
>> Anonymous
>>619747
Source?!
>> Anonymous
If there was such thing as a futa in real life, they would be a living, breathing clone factory. Seriously, half genes from Mom and half genes from Dad, where both are the same person, equals the same person! I'm amazed no futa artist has made a series based off of this concept!
>> Anonymous
>>620210
seems to me that would increase the chances of the offspring being horribly defective
>> Anonymous
>>620213
Always possible but no one has ever been in this situation so neither of us could say. Maybe there is an increased chance of genetic mutation with low genetic variation but who knows what would happen with 0 genetic variation!
>> Anonymous
True hermaphrodites odds: 1 in 6 billion.
So, there are probably a grand total of 6 alive in the world today. ... everyone knows that the testies and ova develop from the same tissue, right?

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metoidioplasty
It's not METRIOD plasty.
>> Anonymous
>>620221
Please tell me you have a source for those numbers. I fucking hate when people make up odds!
>> Anonymous
im source of OP

forgot the pass n shit for my hpics site while back... can't even update it :/
>> Anonymous
>>620227
Doesn't matter, the organs don't work in those cases anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>620233
That can't be right, nonfunctional hermaphrodites are a hell of a lot more common than one in six million. The extra genitals are just usually removed.
>> Anonymous
>>619701

MTF can be very convincing if they have enough money.

Surgery list:

Clipped vocal chords

Facial feminization (grinding down "man jaw" and brow line)

Removal of adam's apple

Breast implants (good boob jobs can cost 20 grand or more)

Hip surgery (rarely done, but if you want the best, you can get surgery to give you more femmy curves)

Nose job

One more very rare procedure is to transplant some fat to the abdominals AFTER other procedures have been done. Typical male ab muscles are too large, even on scrawny guys, so having fat to keep them covered makes you look more feminine.

And then on top of all this, you've got hormone treatment, manicures and pedicures, growing out your hair+styling, a GOOD wardrobe, etc.

It's ridiculously expensive to become a convincing trap, which is why there aren't that many good ones out there. And it's almost impossible to be taken seriously if you're over 5'8".

Female to male is just pretty dumb. It's very hard for them to become a true tranny. I guess you could consider guys lucky, because it's a lot simpler to go MTF than it is to go FTM.
>> Anonymous
>>620210
Actually the Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 games have exactly what you're talking about. Futa has her(it's?) own kid.
>> Anonymous
The whole herm thing is a myth all together. There is no perfect blend between male and female. Every woman you see with a 3inch clit is what would be called a herm in the past but the new term is intersex. Either way the clitenis doesn't work at all or even really resemble a penis at all.
>> Anonymous
>>620112
Not necessarily suppressed. There has been at least one male chimera who had one ovary from his sister, not sure how much more, but it wasn't visible from the outside. And considering that chimeras are more common than you might think, that clearly shows that you can have two different sets of dna within a human body without it getting broken like that.
>> Anonymous
>>619794
But that's still a guy.
Crossdressing or surgery or hormonal changes don't count.
Once a dude, always a dude.
>> Anonymous
>>620251
There are REAL women that tall, and taller. It just tends to make a lot of guys feel really threatened. I don't know why.
>> Anonymous
>>619877
no but they did give that one guy a new dick out of his thumb... or big toe. I don't remember which.
>> Anonymous
>>619932
a tranny COULD probably impregnate someone else.

and carry a child.

it'd have to be put in there surgically, and since there'd be no womb there'd be like, major major extreme risk of life threateneing complications.

so uh, no.
>> Anonymous
>>620294
Unless you intend to have babies with that "dude", it doesn't matter. But being a real female (XX genes) is no guarantee for that they will be able to carry a child, or even have the eggs for it (shit happens). So it essentially becomes the same thing as those women, as both the MTF group and that group have 100% infertility rate.
>> Anonymous
>>620294
YOU ARE MANLY MAN!
>> Anonymous
Actually there are many passing mtfs out there. The point is that most want to be just normal women and blend in.

Thus the trans-inviduals that one can spot on the street is that the part that doesn't pass consistently.

For many people hormones are enough to fool most people on the street, some need additional surgery to help the voice (but that is quite risky) or FFS (which is very expensive).
>> Anonymous
>>620312
I used to know this guy who already was very androgynous and could easily be mistaken for either gender, depending on what he'd wear and do with his face/hair. He really had zero problems being taken for a female once he had been put on hormones, because it made him look way more feminine, even if he wore manly stuff.
>> Anonymous
I've actually met a few crossdressers that were totally passable as females, and seen a few trannies that were.
>> Anonymous
>>620294
he is right - futa is just the fucking pixels - get over it
>> Anonymous
>> Anonymous
Even the most expensive ones never look like real women after a good look.
>> Anonymous
>>620306
except you are fucking a man.
>> Anonymous
theres a wierd condition where a girls breast won't stop growing and her clitoris becomes huge.... it's quite rare but i think thats as close as you can get..and not normal huge..i mean huge huge
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>> Anonymous
>>620450
Virginial Hypertrophy? I will probably regret this but I'd like to see some pictures.
>> Anonymous
>>620452

See a picture of someone who pumped her pussy and that should work.

I believe the clitoris length record is 13 cm.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>620443
Not really. Because
1) Manliness is only part genes. Actions constitute a lot of what it means to be a man. Remove the genitals, remove the behavior, and the original gender no longer matters, except for medical statistics. Men and women are more prone to suffer from different things and display different symptoms.
2) I'm fairly sure my wife's not only is not a guy, but never has been. Baby photos, pregnancy etc. Not that I would have held it against her had she been one. As much as I love her body, it was her zesty spirit and intelligence I fell for, not a chromosome test of hers.
>> Anonymous
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Such a long thread. Kneads moar futa.
>> Anonymous
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>>How close can you really get to a futa?

However close you can get to your computer screen
>> Anonymous
I think the best way to have a "real" Futa is to apply testosterone cream on the clitoris of a young girl so it will grow faster and bigger
>> Anonymous
>>620559
It doesn't work that way.
>> Anonymous
>>620573
Ah yes, the crux of all internet discussion. Simply saying "NO, YOU'RE WRONG!!" without any followup or reasoning why.
>> Anonymous
>>620610
Because follow-up and reasoning why turns into discussion with complete lack of picture-posting. See, we're doing it right now, and we have been since the thread began.
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>>620542

Can I please get the source on this one?
>> Anonymous
>>620623

i think that's from "silent sea"
>> Increasingly Misnamed One Time Reply
Nope, that's a shop job on a pic of Orihime ^^
>> Anonymous
>>620772

was anwsering the question, not commenting on pic
>> Anonymous
>>619701

What has sience done!

can they do it moar?
>> Anonymous
>>620623
lol that's funny, I made this ages ago:P
>> Anonymous
every time someone links to anything on this topic, the terms used to describe the people undergoing the surgery changes. Why do they keep changing it? I mean, cismen? Come on.
>> Anonymous
MOAR SCIENCE!
>> Anonymous
sauce is boas
site has been abandoned
has like 3-4 pictures that are awesome though...
>> Servant of Suiseiseki !XXRGyU7XMs
>>620210
>>620263

Actually this isn't true. Because each trait carries a recessive gene and a dominant gene, if the parent had both the recessive and dominant genes, it would only result in a copy of that single trait 50% of the time. Throw in all of the other variables and you'd probably only have .01% chance of a clone under the best circumstances.

In your thread, killing your fantasies.
>> Anonymous
okay...i think its time for some good hard truth...
1-)Yes,the has been fully functional herms before,however,their bodies were higly unstable and their life spam was short,and no offspring came out of them alive.

2-)it is possible to be a fully functional futa,but almost impossible to happen naturally,a herm is someone with XXY cromossomes,it is possible to create a fully functional futa like the ones in /d ,but only with genetic enginering,by creating an artificial Y cromossome you can make a girl grow a penis and prevent the male facial/body hair to grow,but in order for her to reproduce it needs to have balls outside of the body.

3-)the theory that if a futa had a baby it would be a clone is simply retarded,the only way that could possibly happen is if she was impregnated by herself or by a perfect twin,however,the chances that the dna is exactly the same as the futa are almost inexistant,so yeah,it could happen in a lab,but not naturally.

now,futas might be a closer reality than you guys think,the genoma project has already mapped almost all the human dna,in a close future(unless the freaking moralists prevent us)genetic manipulation on humans will be legal,and so it will be possible for futas to be created on lab,and even to transform normal people into futas.

okay,im done,let the flaming begin...
>> Anonymous
>>620894okay,im done,let the flaming begin...

Thanks for giving us the signal. Here's an advice: You are not telling ANYTHING new OR interesting. When you read a thread, see that something has been said, please refrain yourself from saying it AGAIN. For god's sake, what could go wrong in somebody's head for such a useless need to be heard could be born.
>> Servant of Suiseiseki !XXRGyU7XMs
>>620894

2 - XXY is not a hermaphrodite. I mean, it is on a genetic level but it isn't on a physical level. It's called klinefelters syndrome. I should know, I have it.

3 - Even with self-impregnation or having sex with a perfect clone, giving birth to a genetic copy of yourself is nearly impossible.

As for your comment on transformation, not possible. Surgical procedure maybe, but actual physical transformation due to a pill or shot is impossible. your body would simply treat the genetic code as (A) an outside entity, resulting in an immune response, or (B) a virus, meaning you would feel like shit AND it would create an immune response.
>> ­
>>620876

A dominant trait is much more likely than a recessive trait. If the futa had one gene of each, it'd be a 1 in 4 chance of getting the recessive trait.

The chances of a clone would be quite a bit higher than .01%.
>> Anonymous
>>620542

any moar of this?
>> Anonymous
>>620913
you didnt understand what i said,i said the the theory of a futa giving birth to a clone was impossible,and i said the although herms do exist the xxy combination is too unstable to make a perfect combination,causing the klinefelters syndrome.
>>620909
did YOU read the posts?mine confirm some of the posts above by adding stuff to it and bash other posts,before bashing someone make sure that your not bashing yourself dumbass.
>> Gitami
>>620933
Youkai tama no koshi
>> Anonymous
This is moronic in the extreme, for SO many reasons.

Fukken sage'd.
>> Anonymous
>>620958
dont like futa?^then wtf are you doing in the post?...better yet,WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IN /d AT ALL?GTFO YOU FILTH COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!1111111!!11!11@!3!1'1'111!!


XD
>> Anonymous
Sage for discussion bullshit.
>> Anonymous
>>620960
what you means discussion bullshit?
>> Anonymous
Sage for lack of futa porn.
>> Anonymous
>>620943did YOU read the posts?mine confirm some of the posts above by adding stuff to it and bash other posts,before bashing someone make sure that your not bashing yourself dumbass.

1. I said that you don't need to confirm things.
2. You admit that you confirm things.
3. Then you say I don't read posts and that I'm bashing myself.

I'll admit, I have absolutely nothing to say in answer to this display of internet denial.
>> Anonymous
The problem with getting into an arguement with an idiot in front of strangers, is that those overhearing the conversation can not tell who the idiot is. More pics and less flame war.
>> Anonymous
A real life futa (fully female body with working penis is biologically possible. Lots of people are chimeric, a fusion of fraternal twins, with parts of their body from one fertilized egg, and parts from another fertilized egg. If both fertilized eggs were male, but one egg had androgen insensitivity syndrome, then body parts deriving from the androgen insensitive fertilized egg would be fully female in appearance and function, but not fertile, while body parts deriving from the androgen sensitive fertilized egg would be full male in appearance and function, and quite possibly fertile.
>> Anon in NY
>>620931

Actually no. Simple math.
you'd have the 4/4 (100%) chance for double dom genes, and the 100% chance for double recessive.

but then you'd have a 2/4 (50%) chance of dom/rec (henceforth 'Dr')
D r
D DD Dr
r Dr rr

However, there are thousands of genes atleast, with at least three possible combinations. So, it's safe to assume for the purpose of Flamewars that it's a 1/3 chance.
1/3 out of 1000 would be 333, rounded.

Say only one hundred are Dr
(1/2)^100 = 7.8886 x 10^-31
or
.00000000000000000000000000000078886

that's just for Dr, which is the most common.

And not considering all the genes.

An exact genetic clone would be horrifically rare
>> Anon in NY
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>>621097

That chart was supposed to look like the attached image
>> Anon in NY
>>621097
there would be almost a 100% chance of cloning if the person in question ahd all dominant or all recessive genes, however.

Although I seriously doubt that that person even exists