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Anonymous
How the hell did we get these Fetishes?
I am curious..I mean..some of the stuff we guys fap to is downright nasty?..messed up childhood?
...the media? what happened?
>> Anonymous
Good question... Dont know, I did not like futa at all in the start but now I have a hard time not picture a hot futa girl when i wank..
>> Anonymous
I had a good childhood. It was 4chan that destroyed my innocent mind!

Or I was desperate because I never got laid and fapped at practically anything I saw. Thanks 4chan!
>> Anonymous
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>>608245
"Nasty" is just an interpretation by normies. Humans can and will get turned on by anything and everything. Personally I've been fapping to inflation fantasies since the age of 10 or so, and since then I've acquired plenty of new fetishes. I also recall a time when I found dickgirls unsavory, but hey, when you browse /d/ while fapping long enough, your mind will get used to them and eventually you'll start to like it. Things grow on people, and that's how we all got to be the wonderful freaks we are today.
>> Anonymous
>>608255

Well, nasty can mean several things to several people though.

I mean drinking buckets of vomit or eating feces qualifies as nasty no matter who you ask. You may like that, but you can't deny that it's nasty. It really doesn't matter if you're a 'normie' or a scat freak, I'm pretty sure both will agree that it's nasty.
>> Anonymous
>>608254
"Or I was desperate because I never got laid and fapped at practically anything I saw. Thanks 4chan!"

I concur. Until I wound up here the more vanilla internet was starting to get kinda stale and recycled porn-wise. At least the free parts, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to pay for porn. That's like paying for expensive plastic bottles of tapwater.
/d/ is not only relevant in ways that shocked me at first but since it's art, it represents things that someone felt strongly enough about to spend some genuine effort to produce. The results are guaranteed to be superior to "we paid some ugly college girl $100 to let us touch her ass and film it."
>> Anonymous
I was a typical nerd in high school and developed submissive tendencies toward to the more alpha females (cheerleaders and omigod rich valley girls) during puberty, which somehow led to a foot fetish, which led to female domination, which led to ballbusting, which led to strapon pegging, which led to futa, which led to me growing my hair long because I know enjoy putting it into girly styles when nobody is around.

And this is considered mild for /d/.
>> Anonymous
I cant find an actual girl into the same sick shit as me so I just look at the pictures instead.
>> Anonymous
When I was a young boy my father took me to the video store and rented the "Crumb" documentary. Crumb did all sorts of sick and perverted comics.

I remember trying to draw my own when I was 6. One I drew was a giant phallic shaped tree and had a giantess suck the "syrup" out of it.

I can't believe how lax my parents were.
>> Anonymous
>>608268

Probably the funniest thing I've read all week :)
>> Anonymous
>>608268
Oh lawd! That's much better than my 'found fathers playboy stash'. Should I envy or pity you?
>> Anonymous
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>>608256
I don't know about that. I have no interest in scat or vomit eating whatsoever, and yet I don't find the act nasty. I'm completely neutral towards it -- it's just yet another thing some people like to do.
>> Anonymous
>>608274

Shenanigans.
>> LargoTK
I just remember reading a lot of "Weekly World News"-type articles when I was little and they imprinted on me rather heavily.

Particularly about a woman who was pregnant with a squid, and they had a very descriptive paragraph about how it would make her belly quiver when it jumped about.
>> Anonymous
>>608279

Anonymous demands immediate linkage.
>> Anonymous
>>608272
BTW I didn't answer the thread:
4chan and the rest of the internet is responsible for many of my fetishes. But I think there are generally two kinds of fetishes: Aquired fetishes (4chan...)and your own personal fetishes you have developed on your own. BTW I like the ones I developed by myself far more. :3
>> Anonymous
>>608264
Not looking to reciprocate, just curious since I'm a girl - what kind of stuff are you into?

>>608245
As far as fetishes, I came up with some on my own, though I learned some of them were established fetishes later down the line. I feel like I fantasized some pretty fucked up stuff and it just got worse once I gave in and started lurking on /d/. Certainly wasn't into tentacles before 4chan.
>> Anonymous
Didn't get laid in high school, got bored of real porn, moved on to hentai, got bored of standard hentai, moved on to the weird shit.
>> Anonymous
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Probably more a combination of factors. Let's start with some basics: Did your parents read you stories with cute fuzzy animals, or let you watch those cartoons with moral lessons that were all the rage way back when? Chances are you have some element of furriness in you. Yes, I speak blasphemy, but I'm trying to build on something here.

Let's say you go out on the net, you start looking around for things that are 'relevant to your interests' like most folk do. You look at the porn, you see a link here and there, you follow it around the net a few times, and you find stranger stuff. It's still appealing, and you were already turned on by your original interests, so you fap off to this new stuff.

Finally, there's the myth and legend aspect. This is things that are impossible/improbable to happen out in the real world, and/or things you've never experienced. I am a virgin, so to me, the idea of a girlfriend was high. Then nearly every TV show and mildly raunchy online comic brings up the aspect of 'Girls Faking Orgasm'. So what's a male to do? Why, look for a girl who couldn't fake it very well. Thus, Futa, or other similarly 'overpleasured' looking ladies sneak into the radar. Hard to say a futa isn't having an orgasm when the place is flooded with her sperm.

Anyway, point is there's generally a form of logic or background to these things which are trackable. Of course, it probably won't matter in the long run (going back to the Myth/Legend aspect), but until then, we can have fun with the pictures and fellow d/viants.
>> Anonymous
>>608245
OH GOD!
>> Anonymous
4chan hasnt created any new fetishes for me, only taken it one (or two) steps forward

but some you hear are more common than you would think, like girls fantasizing of getting raped. (i'm a girl, and girls talk)
>> Anonymous
What about stuff like blueberries/inflation? I've had those fetishes for years and I've never quite figured it out...
>> Anonymous
i'm not a /d/tard but i think... you know how some guys, rather than having to hold back during sex, actually take ages to get off? no doubt because of years of fapping themselves raw, because they masturbate regularly for the sake of it (ie the urge didn't come to them), and without bothering to muster any mental element of eroticism at all, they just abuse their dick... well i think you lot use your minds too much, and you have the opposite of an overfapped dick
>> Anonymous
>>608315

I can guarantee you that if you think you've come up with a fetish, there's been at LEAST a few hundred thousand people who've had it, centuries before you were even born.

The one possible exception being Albert Fish. Now that guy was fucked up. I mean SERIOUSLY fucked up. I think he single handedly defined like 20 or 30 fetishes (or rather had them recognized by the psych profession) when they finally caught him.

FWIW, more than likely, over 99.99999% of you are far more average than you might think.

>>608334

A/S/L? ;)
>> Anonymous
I used to search online for sonic and pokemon pictures when I was a kid and later on heard about there being porn of it online so I found some nice sites and enjoyed what I saw.

I later started with regualr porn but after two summers/years of furious fapping I got tired of seeing all the ugly guys balls and hairy chests and around this time I started watching anime and play Doa on PS2. I got one look at the photoalbum with all the halfnaked DOA-girls and I was hooked.

I then slowly wanted more and more alternative hentai thus ending up with futa and other fun stuff.

Nowadays I'm just trying to corrupt my gf with my hentaistash.
>> Anonymous
I seem to remember always liking muscular women, even when I was little.

The internet did the rest.
>> Anonymous
go discuss back to gaia
>> Anonymous
Since this question is sort of on topic, does anon really think about their fetishes outside of that special time when their hand and unit get acquainted. Because I've been visiting 7chan a bit lately (don't hate), and its gotten me into shota. When i think about it though, in the real world, even the thought of fucking a little boy is disgusting, but when I'm readin it its awwwwwright
>> Anonymous
>>608388

Well, pretty much ANY fetish worth it's salt is going to be socially unacceptable in the real world. Just because you fantasize about something doesn't mean you'd ever want to do it in real life. I often fantasize about being raped and then killed. Obviously I don't ever want that to happen to me for real. The critical factor is that you can discern the difference between fantasy and reality. I mean, who hasn't fantasized about killing someone like their boss, someone who cut you off in traffic, etc. It doesn't mean you'd ever actually do it.

As for thinking about it outside of fap time, I do so almost constantly. Every once in awhile, the image of a horse with a 20" cock will pop into my head and I imagine being strapped down, unable to stop it from raping me "balls deep", non stop for several hours. Other times, I'll be driving along and *POP* there I am kneeling in the middle of a circle of a dozen shemales as they each take turns jacking off into my mouth before turning me over and...well, you get the idea.

It's normal, relax. Just don't go trying to talk to young boys in church or soemthing.
>> Anonymous
>>608399
Lol, no worry of that anon. To be perfectly honest, some of my fetishes disgust me when I'm not in fap time, and the thought that it turns me on at some point in the day is just whack. But that doesn't stop me from liking it. Anyway, i guess this is where we differ, you embrace your fetishes at any time, whereas i can't.
>> Anonymous
o.o

A thought proviking discussion on 4chan who knew this could happen
>> Anonymous
Actually I collect fetishes..all weirdness is what fascinates me..and trying to understand them
(I once met a guy who got hard when he was able to rip out a girls eyelash)
But I still can't understand inflation with air
>> Anonymous
>>608423

That's only because you haven't had the time to come to proper terms with it all yet. I'm going to take a wild guess here and guesstimate your age is somewhere around the 19-23 area. You're probably still coming to terms with certain aspects of your sexuality and even your personality to some degree.

I'm 37. I've had A LOT more time to become fully self actualized and one of the basic conditions of that is to come to terms with your sexuality (not to mention with yourself in general). Give yourself another 5-10 years, I guarantee you, you'll think the same.

I hope that didn't sound condescending :D
>> Anonymous
>>How the hell did we get these Fetishes?

I have thought the same thing. Why the fuck do I have fetishes ranging from permanently smiling chicks, lip biting to multiple parts, futa and shit?(not shit as in feces shit as in etc).

I think it's because of the meduim, these stuffs are drawings, it's detached from reality. so I guess thats part of the reason. The other parts is our fucked up childhood.
>> Anonymous
>>608399
The truth has been revealed. o.o;;
>> Anonymous
>>608433
Well that asks another question. if the fetishes you view are just detached reality, where is the line between reality and fantasy. I mean you might like futa, and continue to like it, until one day you meet a shemale and experiment. Then its no longer detached reality, it IS reality. So then what is detached? Gays perhaps? And so on and so forth. Does anon ever think they've gone too far in terms of fetishes?
>> Anonymous
>>608428
Haha nah it's fine. Well yeah i guess your right anon, and btw i AM 19. So i guess what your saying is just don't worry about it because everything will sort itself out in time. Which is a relief really because sometimes i worry that my fetishes ARE fucked up and i should stop. So thanks anon :)
>> Anonymous
>>608441

Don't get me wrong, you still have to be careful, as there ARE pitfalls to fantasy and indulging them wantonly. Though I suppose it could be said that, that in itself is part of the growth process.

I just mean that in most cases, that's all it is. You're probably just feeling nascent guilt because you haven't allowed yourself to realize yet that only you can set the terms for which you live your life (at least not consciously). And by that, I don't mean something as trite as thinking "I make my own destiny, blah, blah, blah". I mean things like accepting that no matter what happens to you in your life, regardless of whether you're actually responsible for it (like say, getting raped or something), ultimately you ARE responsible.

Once you pass that hurdle, life and the world become a very different place than it appeared when you were 19. At which point, indulging fantasy as perfectly fine regardless of the content, is a non-issue.

Unless you're crazy. Then it's a different ball of wax.
>> Anonymous
i remember as a kid looking for the biggest tits on the net, simply because at the ripe age of 13 i wanted to see monster fucking boobs. after awhile i ran across several furry sites and e-hentai.net i think, while on e-hentai.net i found a couple of really hardcore doujins and well... furry porn has been hardcore forever, even back then.

as a teen i also had crushes on guys which i couldnt explain, but anyway i masturbate to a lot of gay porn... im not gay, it just really turns me on.

a lot of my other fetishes have been simply "branched out" from there, like watersports, tons of cum, huge dicks/breasts, futa, vore, bondage, inflation, etc.. i've only really ever had the chance to explore some of this irl, although i have had sex with plenty of women and men, just none of them really kinky enough for me. :(
>> Anonymous
>>608453
Lol well hopefully I'm not crazy, or become crazy. Which btw i was reading earlier about Albert Fish (I think someone mentioned him in this thread). HE was fucking crazy. But anyway, yeah i got you. Btw i do have another question, when you and your mates are talking about sexually related stuff, and someone brings up fetishes, are you honest? Because I've been in that situation and i couldn't say half the stuff that turns me on. Which is weird, because it was mentioned earlier that the majority of people have fetishes that are in some way not normal (hate using that word). Why don't we all just open up and be honest about fetishes? I guess that comes round again to the previous point about accepting it within yourself first, and then discussing with people.
>> Anonymous
>>608456
>>Btw i do have another question, when you and your mates are talking about sexually related stuff, and someone brings up fetishes, are you honest?

No. There's some stuff you don't want to know about other people, and things they don't want to know about you.

I don't want my friends to know when I see chicks I imagine them growing huge dicks or nipples ad do me while I'm wearing panty hose, and I don't want to know that my friend wants to lick shit from between my mom's toes because he has a foot, scat, and mature woman fetish.

Like with everything else, there's a limit. Save that stuff for whoever you're fooling around with, and don't expect them to accept it either.
>> Anonymous
I'm like a lot of you. I began with fapping to porn then moving onto hentai. I got into the standard fetishes, schoolgirls, cat ears, big tits lolita face and tentacles. Then later on it was pregnancy and transgender. That's been my main two. There's probably be a deep set fantasy about me wanting to be a woman having a kid.
Then again I have gotten into hotdogging and harems and I know I want to be a guy for that.

tl;dr- I want to be the little girl.
>> Anonymous
>>608463
Ah ok. Yeah that makes me feel much better. Well thanks again anon. I'm off to fap now with new found peace of mind!
>> Anonymous
>>608463
I have a friend who once mentioned he likes piss and scat. This info burned itself deep into my brain and now I always remember and visually imagine that when I speak to him. It makes me blergh and shudder.

Really, I don't want people to know that I imagine being humiliated and raped, best with tentacles and stuff in every orifice. It's impossible to have a serious conversion with this piece of inforamation in the back of your mind.
>> Anonymous
Wow.. I'm not the only post 30 /d/eviant here..

I'm rather big, in height and size, and I like the muscle and mild BBW threads, because they have women of large size as well. I've got a few /d/ickgirl pics too, and I think i know why straight guys like the Futas:
Jungian Archetypes.
A Futa represents a woman that wants and enjoys sex just as much as a man; she's got our 'stuff', and goes through the same feelings, and there's no doubt it happens, we don't just have to trust her that 'it' (the orgasm) happens.

About once every 6 months, 4chan gets a good conversation about this; this place is a untapped goldmine about current sexual views.

($5 says I get outed from this post when I go to a certain social circle this weekend..)
>> Anonymous
I'm not sure where my fetishes come from. I just know I've pretty much always had them.

When I was... oh, 5 or 6... I apparently asked my mother to tie me to a chair so I couldn't escape. When she refused, I tied myself up instead, and my Barbie.

Over time, things just got more elaborate. Now I can have a fantasy about... oh, a guy turning into a girl and then, over a period or a month or so, slowly (and fully consciously, but against 'his' will) being turned into a huge-chested slut.

And only very recently did I discover there was anything even remotely matching what I wanted on the Internet. (I avoided porn for a while.) It's been a pleasant revelation, but I know for sure that my fetishes don't come from anyone but me.

(Oh, and my childhood was very nice. Not always normal, but pleasant.)
>> Anonymous
Most of the fetishes I have were originally things I didn't like. Like tentacles and bestiality. Mind you, most of my fetishes involve a girl being involved in that sort of stuff while I mess around with her or just watch and fap.
I can't get into pregnancy or inflation, just 'cause it simply reminds me of obese chicks and that's a complete turn-off.
A catgirl is fine, too, but I can't cross into the larger percents of the furdom. Hell, anything above 10% isn't interesting.
I'm not turned on by feet, yet I suppose a footjob while I was still wearing my briefs and she was wearing stockings would be just fine.
I'm quite interested in bondage, but only as a dom.
And I can't ever get into the idea of being into futa 'cause I really find most art annoying. Like giving chicks from shows I watch and games I play penises. It's really spitting on the original concept in my opinion, and for that reason I can't get into it. Though I'm certain a bunch of other /d/eviants are especially fond of fapping to futa versions of their favorite characters.

As for why I got these fetishes? I don't know. I know a lot of it has to do with being turned on by how far a chick is willing to let herself go. In the sense of depravity, I mean. I guess that's the appeal of tentacle/bondage/rape/bestiality/bukkake/etc stuff. I'm quite lucky to have met a chick that shares virtually all of my interests. She's somewhat of a furry, but as she's only in it for the art, it's all fine. Just so long as she doesn't start wearing a suit.
>> Anonymous
>>608463

Actually, that wasn't me (the one you've been having the conversation with up until now :). And it was me who mentioned Albert Fish :D

I DO tell them pretty much everything. They all know I'm bi, and that I'm into some odd things. One of them even offered to help me fulfill a rape fantasy when I told her about it. But again, it really depends on the person you are as well as your friends of course. My friends know me, and I'm comfortable enough in my own skin for them to know things about me, like the fact that I love taking cock. At the same time, it wouldn't be too bright of an idea to let the people you work with know that you have fantasies about being raped by a horse.

If you're uncomfortable telling your friends about certain aspects of yourself, then that's all that matters. If you do decide to tell them, then the ones who don't shun you afterwards are the only real friends you ever had.
>> Anonymous
I had a fine childhood, and have as many fetishes as any other /d/eviant here. I think most fetishes are not caused by bad childhood experiences.

I think many fetishes stem from natural urges/instincts taken to the extreme. Example: The desire to become one and vore.
>> Anonymous
>>608498
Bah, I wish I knew people like you. My friend are either too normal or too ugly to have fun with. And worst of all: My boy is completly unpervert. I always thought every person has at least one fetish, but he doesn't. He doesn't even like blow jobs... And now I'm all alone with my kinks and deviants, there is just 4chan as remedy.
>> Anonymous
I'll shake my dick at anything with tits.
>> Anonymous
>>608507He doesn't even like blow jobs

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

I'm sorry, but there's something wrong with him. No male doesn't like blowjobs unless they're religious (and it's some sort of prude thing), or there's something wrong with their cock (ie. he got poison oak on it or something).

I'm more than happy to offer to take his place ;)
>> Anonymous
i lookd up porn when i was coming of age at the same time i was getting into anime so when i saw porn of charecters i knew it was so much nicer then some randome slut so i got more into hentai then real porn

and then as you go you just see more and more fetishes and just get used to them i do remember my first dick girl was an issue of spunky knight
>> Anonymous
>>608507
You should take him to a doctor. Somethings got to be wrong with his head...
>> Anonymous
Fortunately, I can admit all of the fucked-up shit that I fap over to my friends, and they will laugh. If it turns out that they're not taking me seriously then I'm gonna be pissed, especially considering they've seen me grope random women (and men) in the street before.
>> Anonymous
I had some fairly minor childhood shit, but I wouldn't say that caused any of my fetishes. Except maybe some of the loli/shota stuff.

I know I've liked bondage since I was really young. Catgirls/foxgirls/etc and such have been there forever too.
And I've always found two girls hotter than a guy and a girl, or two guys. (Though I'm not averse to any combination.)

I know I prefer hentai instead of "regular porn" because of the general attractiveness factor, plus I was already into anime. Porn girls all look fairly plastic, and porn guys tend to be downright ugly, so as a bi girl I like finding stuff that shows people I find attractive.

Also the fantasy factor is big... No matter how much I love bondage and rape stuff, the idea of most of it happening to me terrifies me. Same with loli or shota, it's appealing in my head, but I'm not going to go molest kids or anything.
>> Anonymous
wow great thread
i have been asking the same question again and again...
something that really bothers me though is that i seem to get into a rage when i fap, but when i'm done i find the pictures not so sexy anymore, like not at all.
my current best guess is that there is a lot of guilt introduced into me by my mother - something i cant seem to shrug off yet...
sometimes i fap to normal porn just to see if it still gets me off or if "i'm over the edge" already

any opinions?
>> Anonymous
>>608515
>>608529
Don't tell me it's strange, I can hardly believe it myself. He doesn't even watch pron. FFS, I WATCH porn. At least he doesn't mind me giving him hand jobs, but still... If anybody knows a ways to pervert a person, tell me. (Hint: 4chan won't work, he'll be too repulsed.)

PS: I always had my fetishes, even as a kid before I knew anything about sexuality.
>> Anonymous
>>608547
4chan will work:
1) /c/
2) /e/
3) /h/
4) /d/
5) ???
6) PROFIT!
>> Anonymous
>>608547
I can guarantee that if he gets a good blowjob, he'll change his mind.
Worked for me, anyway. I never liked the thought of blowjobs when I was younger. Hell, even 5 seconds got me convinced I was wrong. Not I think about throatfucking people until they puke on a regular basis.
>> Anonymous
>>608558
Nah, he's not into manga or anime. (Me neither, I'm only her for the /d/ and /y/..... and /an/ XD)
>> Anonymous
well I think this is a matter what do you like
you discover your fetishes by watching /d/
for now I know that I don't like dickgirls at all
also most preggos and gay furry
also I discovered that zombies could be really hot
>> Anonymous
This is a question that I think about alot. I feel that some of my fetishes are directly linked to my low self-esteem particularly my fantasies of being tied down, abused(phsically and mentally) and raped. To a lesser extent I developed a minor scat fetish from this (nothing really heavy... just occasionally when I am really down I get turned on by the thought of being shit and pissed on.) I don't have any memories of ever being abused as a child but both my older brothers have admitted to being abused by a member of the family... so I am not sure how that relates to anything if it does at all...

I also have many transgender/crossdressing fantasies(as I seriously do wish I was female) and the like which I believe led to a minor futa fetish(only realistic futa though nothing to crazy.) What usually turns me on the most is lezdom.

However I have no idea where my horse cock fetish came from(I blame /d/ for now).
>> Captain Obvious
>>608558
You skipped over /u/
The proper transition is
/c/
/e/
/u/
/h/
/d/

You need break people in slowly when it comes to sex.
The best way to do that, is to remove cocks from the picture.
Eventually they'll crave more, and will find their way to /h/
They might even skip straight to /d/ if only for the dickgirls.
I wasn't into hentai for very long when I first discovered futanar.
That transition was rather quick.
Of course, by the time I found 4chan, I was already a /d/eviant.
>> Anonymous
btw most peoples don't know what they want until they will not see it
>> Anonymous
>>608566
You're right. Everyone loves lesbians!

>>608563
Then do this with regular porn instead. Same progression as>>608566said though.
>> Anonymous
>>608547

As a girl speaking to another girl, it's in your best interest to dump him and find another guy who's clearly more interested into them (fetishes that is). Unless you really like this guy, there is no other guy around ... You can train him over-time. If you really wanna be that patient.
>> Anonymous
>>608576

lol vanilla partners. do not want. =|
>> Anonymous
>>608565

A/S/L?

>>608576

Just FYI, training is a majorly BAD idea. Best case, you discover that they're so stupid and immature that they can be manipulated into anything (which basically makes them a child maturity/emotionally). Worst case, they end up resentful of you trying to manipulate them and creates a situation that can never be reconciled. Regardless, the relationship is done for.

Be honest with him. If he can't or won't try new things for you, what the fuck are you wasting any more time on him for? I guarantee you, there's a dozen guys WAITING IN LINE for a woman willing to be experimental.
>> Anonymous
>>608576
>>608581

Well, the vanilla sex we have is really good (as in: fulfilling) and he really puts effort into it, tries to make me cum at least twice per sex, so it's not THAT bad. Ah, and I love him. I just hope I'll someday find some dirty stuff he likes. Because I'm a pervert.
>> Anonymous
It's a sort of love/hate relationship for me. I'm really into femdom for some reason, though I'm nearly a misogynist in real life. Seriously, no offense to any women here, but I really hate most of your gender. I mean, I still find them arousing (I'm not gay.), but I just hate the way they act and think. So, I'm attracted to them physically, I secretly hate them all, but I want to be dominated by them at the same time. It's really weird. Anyone have any ideas what this could stem from?

(Oh, and by the way, the hate thing is probably tied to me being a general misanthropist. I hate boys almost as much, but there are a few like-minded individuals out there. As opposed to girls, I'm not in any way attracted to guys, though I've been dreaming of sucking off a futa lately, as part of the whole domination thing.)
>> Anonymous
Meh, I don't really like to think about why I got attracted to Futa's, mostly because I'm still somewhat ashamed of it prolly. Still, I am really /really/ surprised at how the straightest people are attracted to that specific fetish. Is it because "she" still has female parts that makes it borderline okay? Dunno, I know it's damn satisfactory tho :)
>> Anonymous
Side question: Do only guys like futa or are there any girls who like it too?
>> Anonymous
>>608603

No offense, but you sound pretty obvious as to the cause/result.

I'm going to guess your mother (probably anyway) was domineering, probably couldn't be impressed/pleased by anything you did (at least in your eyes). I'm also going to guess that you've had a few defining early 'relationships' (at the age I'm referring to, <20 they really can't be called actual relationships) where some girl(s) humiliated or abused you in some way (not physically, though that's possible). Over the years, those two primary aspects crystalized the rest of your interactions with women and girls (note that there IS a difference), further pushing you towards this level of misogyny.

Deep down, you want a loving, caring, trusting relationship with a woman (not a girl, a woman), but everything that's come before has hardened your misguided feelings towards a malice laced distrustful outlook towards females, such that you've objectified the act of intimacy towards the polar opposite of what you really want, thus your desire to be dominated and demeaned. The irony is that this is exactly what the women of your past who were supposed to be nurturing and supportive actually did to you.
>> Anonymous
>>608603

Continued!

You're in a dangerous place right now. You have basically two options:

1. Continue down the path you're headed, and eventually that desire to be dominated will turn on you and become actual hatred of women. You'll most likely begin turning towards girls (not women) as potential objects of desire due to their supposed innocence, vulnerability, and inexperience, thus creating an immediate position of dominance. Basically, the groundwork is set for you to become a full on pedophile.

2. You man up. You accept what's happened to you in the past, you grow to understand how and why these things happened to you and you deal with it like an adult both emotionally and intellectually. You then have the ability to finally 'grow up', which leads to an actual understanding of women, thus allowing you to meet one equally mature.

As for being a general misanthrope, that's just due to your age. As you get older, you'll eventually lose that arrogance of youth as you begin to understand the nature of existance and your own mortality.
>> Anonymous
>>608610

I believe more than one female in this thread has expressed interest in many /d-isms. Futa, rape, even tentacles.
>> Anonymous
>>608620
Silly Anonymous, there are no girls in the interwebs.
>> Anonymous
>>608618
Wow, pretty much spot on. Impressive. I grew up a place I did not belong to at all. I was bullied all the time. My mother and father broke up when I was young and I blamed myself. By the time I starting looking at girls, my self-esteem was so low that it went nowhere and I was turned down by some major crushes. It all went downhill from there, as I ended up in some girls "friends zone". They told me that I was "nice" and that "they was sure that I would find somebody since I was such a nice guy" but they obviously didn't see the irony of that when they chose macho wife-beaters over me. Now I'm 20 and I've decided to stay away from girls until I can convince myself they're not all whores. You're right, deep down inside I really DO want a loving caring partner, but in my eyes, it can never be because no woman would recognize my positive sides behind my cold asshole-ish appearance. I mastrubate very very often, in order to get the "devils juice" out of me, the stuff that makes me aroused by what I hate. After a good wank, I laugh and tell myself how I would beat the shit out of those whores in the femdom mangas if I had met them.

Holy cow, I hope I can get out of this mess... or I'll end up as a bitter bitter man. (I've even considered cutting my own nuts off in order to stop being attracted to girls.)
>> Anonymous
>>608620
No no, I mean Futa and only Futa. I guess guys like it because they can relate to the stimulation of a cock (vs alienating pussy) and still get aroused by something obviously female (= breast).

I'm a girl, I like rape & tentacles and many other /d/eviants, but futa doesn't do anything for me. And I didn't see any girl in this thread who likes Futa (maybe looked over it tho).

Just wondering..... if and if yes, why....
>> Anonymous
>>608628
It gets better, I am/was the same way. It takes a lot of time, though. The real problem, at least with me, is the realization that you hate these "whores" so much because deep down you're one yourself. You're fapping to this stuff and feeling guilty because it DOES turn you on. You either need to accept this as normal and human, and know that women have these same urges and feelings as men, and that just because they have a vagoo doesn't mean it's wrong for them.

Or you can try to give it up altogether, like I am. I wouldn't want my girl doing these things, and it wasn't until the relationship that I'm in now that I've actually started making an effort to avoid porn and such because I would want her to. I realize the irony in the fact that I'm here posting, but she's very understanding and knows that I don't exactly want to do this, but sometimes I need a quick release while she's not around. She's nothing but good to me, yet at times I can still be abusive and controlling. It's how I was with all of my other girls, but at least this time I'm much more self-aware and can actually admit that I'M the one at fault.
>> Anonymous
>>608619
I guess... Thanks for the advice anon. As I'm sure you know, this is of little consolidation for me right now, but I do hope you're right that it is possible for me to escape this bleak existence. It was kind of a relief to let this out finally, I feel I can't really talk to anybody about this.

One question though: How do I "man up"? How do I deal with it emotionally and intellectually? I've given it a lot of thought, believe me, and as you can tell, I do realize that what I'm doing is fucked up, but as of right now, I don't really know my options. Trying to get a date is difficult for me for obvious reasons.
>> Anonymous
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/111376.html
>> Anonymous
>>608634
You also need to gain a lot more confidence in yourself before you even attempt a (healthy) relationship. Stay single, enjoy it, do things you like, take time to yourself, etc... When you've finally got enough confidence to walk up to a girl at work or something and say "Hi." then hopefully you'll be close to possibly being ready to maybe attempt a relationship. Then when that gets serious it'll start all over again. If she's a decent chick, she'll try to help you work through all of your fucked-up-ness. Also, although I'm not one for it myself, you may want to consider seeing a counselor/doctor about it, but that's all up to you really. I find they don't help with me because I just end up bullshitting them anyway. Why would I tell somebody I don't even know my deepest secrets and then pay 'em? :p
>> Anonymous
>>608628

FWIW,>>608631is right, it does get better. And as hard to believe as it is now, it actually gets a little easier.

You're 20. If there's one thing I can say with utter certainty, it's that you're BARELY starting life. All the crap that's come before is nothing. In 10 years, you'll be laughing at all the shit you're taking right now as being earth shatteringly important and defining for you. In 15, you'll look back and think almost fondly about these years and marvel at how everything was so new and exciting, even if it was shitty a lot of the time.

Here's a protip: The only thing that makes youth bearable is age and experience. Write it down, and in 10 years, read it to yourself again. I think you'll see far more in that sentence at that point than you do right now :)

You just need some seasoning.

Like paprika or something.
>> Anonymous
>>608631
Problem for me is that, while there are some intellegent girls out there, I'm not really attracted to them. I like the drunk sluts. It's horrifying. Plus, girls are so bloody complex, you have to sorta asshole-ish to get them with the whole "bad boy" thing going on, but you still have to be a sensitive person and listen to their problems and stuff. There's a fine line there.

Also, I'm really stupid in that I go around all the time thinking about how superior I am to all these people intellectually. (Which I may or may not be.) They're so shallow, all following the latest trend, not having any opinions, not being as "smart" (Read: get good grades at school) as me, etc, yet that is exactly what I am. I'm so shallow when it comes to girls, it's amazing. A few years ago, a very nice girl approached me and I dunno, but I think she would be interested in me if I wasn't such an ass, but I wasn't attracted to her at all, because she wasn't a slut.... so I let her down. God, I hate myself so much.
>> Anonymous
>>608640
>>608637
Thank you so much guys, you're really giving me hope here. I appreciate it. Things are weird for me right now. It's like realizing you're a total asshole and not being able to do anything about it because you hate everyone else even more. But fuck it, I'll get through this. :)
>> Anonymous
>>608644
Oh, and in before emo.
>> Anonymous
>>608641

Don't mistake the bad-boy and asshole thing for what it really is.

Women respond to confidence, not arrogance. When women are young, that's what's drawing them to bad-boys and will often allow themselves to be treated like shit by assholes because those boys (not men) don't understand that there's a massive difference between being confident and being an asshole.

I'm afraid the only thing that can give you actual confidence is experience. And the only way to gain experience is with age and a fuckton of failures.

There's no easy way for me to say this, but it's not going to be easy. It's going to be a lot of dissapointment and a lot of failure, but the end result is completely worth the effort.

Also, at this point, I STRONGLY urge you to consider seeing a therapist. It's pretty clear that you have some pretty hefty self esteem issues, that you COULD work out on your own (and probably will), but a therapist can speed that process up, as well as help you in learning how to "man up".

Now when I say man up, what I'm talking about is becoming and adult. The problem is, with where you are emotionally right now, I'm not so sure that's even possible until you work a lot of other shit out. Thus my suggestion to consider seeing a therapist.

FYI, seeing a therapist doesn't make you a pussy. It actually makes you a man.
>> Anonymous
Oh god damn it!
Stop making fucking Discussion Boards in /d/!
it was meant to fap not to fap you fucking mouth!
>> Anonymous
>>608649

Hehe.

Y'know, I gotta say, I'm really surprised at how little asshattery there's been in this thread.

I mean shit, I've had 3 good conversations in this thread, which is like 500 times more than I have in the last month on 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>608631
>>608637
These are both me. I really wish I could help you out more man, but I gotta get going. I went through a phase where I got incredibly depressed (at least I wasn't an emo fag) and things just seemed pretty bleak. I would say throw your e-mail address or something on here, but knowing 4chan you'd be bombed within seconds. Basically you just have to wait it out and take a lot of time for yourself before worrying about somebody else. Again, this is just my experience, but if there's an intellectual girl that you really hit it off with and you're not extremely attracted to her at first, just wait. Eventually she'll be the most beautiful girl ever to ya. (At least one would hope.)
>> Azure
>>608547
you know i was the same way, i had fetishes as a kidm and yet i didnt know they were fetishes at the time.

And i had a really good childhood, i dont know what made me like the things i do... which is almost everything
>> Anonymous
>>608651
you should been here on /d/ for like 3 months alot of ppl had conversations about guro and what type of /d/ porn they like.

and if you really want a conversation then try making a 90's thread in /b/, trust me they're gonna talk alot.
>> Anonymous
I started looking at hardcore bondage porn (<3 insex) at age 10. I have no idea how it started.
>> Anonymous
>>608656

Yeah, sometimes you just get the right bunch of people on at the right time, with the right bit of conversation.

Unfortunately, most times it's just GTFO NEWFAGG!!! type stuff.
>> Anonymous
>>608654
Cheers mate! I'm glad that there's still some good guys left in the world. Maybe I'll see a therapist. Who knows, it might help. (Though I admit I do have certain reservations about telling a female (all therapists I've met are female for some reason) therapist about my whole childhood and how I like dickgirls... :P)
>> Anonymous
>>608660
But thats what makes it special :)
>> Anonymous
>>608664

You could always look at that as the first stepping stone to dealing with your outlook on women. Though, I have to say, I'm a little surprised that you'd feel more comfortable telling a man about your futa fetish.

Besides, if it IS a woman, try and find one that's hot, that way you cover the intellectual part (she IS a therapist after all) and you can think of her in all sorts of slutty situations, which should make it easier to open up to her ;)
>> Anonymous
>>608660
Yep, the funny thing is that the nearly mythical original population of 4chan was actually quite intelligent. The newfags are mostly trash that don't know that they need to lurk before posting, but some of them are alright. I wonder how 4chan would've looked if you removed all the fags.
(Pretty ronery I guess.)
>> Anonymous
>>608671

Pretty sure it'd be completely empty/ronery.
>> Anonymous
>>608669
Haha, I didn't mean that I'd be more comfortable with telling a man, but it's just that every therapist I've met have been female so... Well, I think I might have written it a bit wrong there. What I mean is that I don't know if I would be comfortable with telling it to anyone when it's not anonymously.

But yeah, I think I'll go see a therapist of some sort. Just hope she's prepared to deal with a lot of crap from me and that she won't tell anyone else. (Therapists have to take oaths of silence, don't they?)
>> Anonymous
>>608629
>>And I didn't see any girl in this thread who likes Futa (maybe looked over it tho).

I know a girl who likes futa, but she also wants a penis. Sometimes I wish I had a vagina though. I like the idea of bening penetrated, but the ass can be messy sometimes, and I can't orgasm from penetration alone.
>> Anonymous
The short answer is that nobody knows for sure, so you're free to believe what you want. Personally, I think different people get them in different ways and it's rarely a single cause.
>> Anonymous
>>608676

Yes, they do, with 2 exceptions:

1. Parents of an underage child where the welfare of the child becomes a concern during their sessions.

2. If the therapist is told of some form of crime or threat of a crime, they are required by law to report the information to authorities.

Other than that, they're bound by the whole doctor/patient priviledge thing.

FWIW, I can guarantee you that unless they're fresh out of university or JUST starting a new practice, they've most certainly heard everything you're going to tell them, numerous times before. I spent several years with an ex who was a therapist and while she never spoke about her patients, she would let me know about things like the numbers of patients who have such and such problems, quirks, reasons for seeing her, etc. Your issues are going to be very commonplace to them, even if your fetishes aren't ;) It's actually the reason why I was able to call your 'history' so closely.

Try not to get so hung up on things like embarassment either. It's a moment of embarassment for a lifetime of resolution. And if she's any good at what she does, she can probably even put you enough at ease that the embarassment may not even be there.

>>608679I can't orgasm from penetration alone.

If you're a male, you're doing it wrong.
>> Anonymous
I can fap to anything that hosts a penis and the female figure. So, yes, I like hentai and furryshit and whatever else has a penis and a woman or womanimal. It isn't that I'm aroused by the mere appearance of penises, but they remind me - whether ejaculating or not - of my own penis and pleasure, and that turns me on. Need I explain why I fancy women?

Thus, I find my futa fetish normal. It's just an odd conglomeration of typical sexual desires. Also, the cock of a futa hints to it that she's lusty and whorish, like myself. And I like sluts.
>> Anonymous
>>608697

Slut.
>> Servant of Suiseiseki !XXRGyU7XMs
I progressed fairly quickly through my fetishes and I also have a good idea as to why I have them too.

Started fapping at about ten
Had a strange fascination with goo and inflation since before the beginning.
I got into /h/ stuff after I realized that it looked a hell of a lot better than the standard after about a month.
Got into /u/ stuff because I'm a non-conservative male after almost a week.
After another week, I had a dream I was turning into a girl, but my penis was still there. My daily routine was a little sidetracked that morning cuz of the furious fapping I was doing to what little shreds of my dream I could remember. However, being a little kid, I was unaware of the magical rule 34 and thought I would need to rely on my imagination to get that sort of porn.
after a month or two, I forgot and went back to /u/ stuff. Then I found a site that had clips from Savior. After that, I only really got off to /d/ material.
Got into tentacles after a week.
And, most recently, I've gotten into femdom and yaoi. Yes yaoi, I realized that my obsession over futa was due to latent bisexuality.
>> Anonymous
Aaaaaand now that the bumping is gone, the thread promptly dies.
>> Anonymous
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I'm a girl (just thought I'd say that because this makes my fetish not some stupid yaoi mpreg faggotry) and I've been fapping to women giving birth since like 8. Watching discovery channel and stuff.
Now it's YouTube videos and wonderful wonderful -chan boards, only since the last year or so.

It's a weird fetish, and I don't know how it came about. I've always liked the whole idea of pregnancy, especially the big stomach. And I've always liked the whole idea of childbirth.
It's probably just a primal thing.

I also like egglaying.
And loli, but that's not /d/.

Also I'm straight. Except for the knocked up bitches at my school~
>> Anonymous
>>608743

Maybe you can answer me about the preg fetish then. Whenever I ask guys what it is about the pregnant fetish, I can never get any kind of answer out of them besides "I dunno, I just like it", which always seemed strange to me because I can pretty much identify exactly what it is about every one of my fetishes that 'does it' for me. For instance, my gokkun/bukakke fetish (if it can even be called a fetish anymore) is based around degradation & humiliation, which is an extension of a power/dominance thing coupled with the whole woman taking a man's DNA into herself base animal instinct thing. It's the same with all my other fetishes, in that I know exactly why I like them.

So what is it about the pregnant fetish that 'does it' for you? I mean, when you say it's a primal thing, what does that mean? Like it gets your blood going, or is it like an excited sensation in your crotch type thing? Or is it more of an instinctual maternal type of reaction?
>> Anonymous
Not sure how I got used to fapping to /d/ stuff. Perhaps I'm just severely sexually frustrated. (Getting it on with girls never came easy for me). I can fap to a lot of stuff. tentacle, inflation, futa, TG, shemales, incest, preggo, rape etc. Even conventional (real-life) porn is fine too. But not anything involving say blood/gore (guro) or for instance feces. I've probably totally screwed up any expectations I might have had concerning sex, but right now I don't really give a flying fuck.
>> Anonymous
tl;dr. This is an IMAGEboard. Post pics and shut the fuck up.
>> Anonymous
>>608759

Dude here, I suppose my like of preggo deals with appeasing shapes, nice and round. Also there's some sort of feeling of a closer emotional connection that the girl's got your kid in her. Outside of that, dunno why I dig it.
>> Anonymous
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>>608743
You win.

I like pregnant women too. I can't easily explain why, but I get turned on by their roundness, their larger, yet somehow deliciously tender pussies, and sometimes strong pubic hair, their smoother skin in their bellies, and their usually slightly larger thighs. When I see pregnant women IRL I often get slightly aroused at the sight, and wish I could make love to them.
>> Deez Nutz
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>>608261
Aww. I'd hit it. You're not in AZ though, I bet.

I was a deviant long before I found 4chan. I've always liked being the girl in control of the boy, I remember tying boys up playing when I was very young and I remember loving to wrestle boys in my teens. I was 18 before I figured out I really just wanted to be dominant to boys AND to girls. Hella fun! I'm lucky enough to be in a big city with lots of kinky people, so we have not one but three kink groups to choose from. A fellow kinkster told me about /d/ and my hard drive is now bursting with hot pronz. I <3 /d/.

Anyway, I know I got my hentai fetish from - hentai was the first live action porn I ever saw, and the first time I got horny in a roomful of friends (they were watching La Blue Girl for the lolz, not for fapping, but uh...nummy! I own LBG now!). I know I got my evil femdom fantasies from hot stories I used to get off to from literotica.com. I didn't know I had a muscle girl fetish till /d/ though! <3
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
I started having sexual thoughts about girls at the age of 6. Didn't ever act on it because I wasn't popular and didn't even have any friends who were girls until high school. I've always had an overactive imagination and almost every single night I'd drift off to sleep fantasizing about either real girls or ones I'd seen on TV, which included cartoons and video games(I almost, almost went furry).

My parents didn't keep any porn around the house. I'd tried drawing a few crude pictures (eventually threw them away) and got some Playboys and tapes from friends of friends (got busted by my mom at age 14 and two separate "Porn is not an accurate depiction of loving, beautiful sex between two people deeply in love" lectures, one by each parent).

At 18 I moved to college and had a T1 connection. Discovered hentai completely by accident when some site linked to the CG Shrines. A year and a half later when the dot-com bubble burst and a lot of free sites went under, it occured to me that stuff wouldn't be on the internet forever and I started collecting. I almost gave up on hentai when I got my first girlfriend as drawn sex suddenly lost its allure compared to the real thing, but after she dumped me I was glad I didn't delete anything.

Hentai exposed me to all kinds of crazy shit that I didn't even know existed, including dickgirls which I was initially terrified of (mainly because I was afraid fapping to it would make me gay). Over time though I got more and more desensitized and eventually I realized there was a lot of /d/ stuff that turned me on, including pregnant sex, some bondage, fat girls, some muscle girls, loli, and most of all dickgirls. Since I started on /d/ much of my fapping has been much more satisfying. I don't feel any particular inclination to act these fetishes out in real life (except if I had a pregnant girlfriend, then she would be spending all night with her legs in the air), but it's great fantasy stuff to liven up my boring life.
>> Anonymous
I've been crossdressing since I was 13 (20 now). Since then its's like I've tried fapping a little bit to every fetish I get introduced to and it works every time: spanking, breastfeeding, diapers, pegging, yaoi, bondage, submission, Domination here and there, trannies, traps, shemales, transsexuals, et al.

I think, in some cases, the taboo nature of some things and the—I dunno what word to use—extremeness of it is what excites me? Is it the fact that fatties are so genuinely unappealing to me what gets me off when I think about them raping me with strapon dildos?

I'm a sissy. How does /d/ feels about sissies? I think it's a British fetish, so not maybe people know about it. It's basically just crossdressing (sometimes with ageplay thrown in) as girlishly and as effeminately as possible and being real submissive about it. It really turns me on, but not so much these days. Fetishes are like fads to me, now, I've fapped to so many… but never lived any of them! :*(
>> Anonymous
if 4chan had an SA-style goldmine this thread would be destined for it
>> Anonymous
I just got tired of masturbating to the same shit since I was 11. It was basically "Well fuck, I can't even get a boner with this trash anymore...time to look somewhere else."
>> Anonymous
>>609256
Same.

Depending on it, most regular hentai bores me... If I wanted to see that, I'd watch a real porno, not hentai...

Plus, the fetish factor I think just makes it easier to build a climax. Sure I find good /h/ worthy content every so often, but not as often as the stuff in here or at 7chan's /d/.
>> sage
BUMP THE FUCK BACK UP THERE.
>> Anonymous
Sage was left over from a shitty thread, oops.
>> Anonymous
Nothing has changed over time. The Greeks liked there "Herms" (Hermes, the messenger - apparently had prominent testicles). The Romans like theirs statues to have big equiptment. If anything, its a normal human behavior, not normal in our society, but in others, its just fine.
>> Anonymous
>>609256

agreed, I started on hetero moved to dg bondage traps yaoi and back to yuri.

it's been quite a road.
>> Anonymous
That's funny, I always thought big penises were made fun of in Ancient Rome.
>> Anonymous
Long-time lurker here, first post ever; I simply couldn't resist when I saw this thread.

I'm a classic example of one hell of a long, slippery slope: my best guess as to the start was back when I happened upon my old man's playboy/penthouse stash. Shared 'em with friends. Long story short, got caught and got the classic reprimands re: porn is not love, it's for adults, etc.

Some time probably early middle school got into DBZ, found DragonmoonX (you know, the good old site where the opening page was Goku simultaneously fisting and sucking off a futa Sailor Moon), and thus was I welcomed to the wide world of hentai.

Around the same time, I discovered regular porn on the internet. Again, this is in the bad old days before strict regulation, and the net was chock full of child porn sites. I was fascinated by being able to see girls my own age, and so pursued it raptly.

The third youthful facet in the mixer is that I've always had ridiculously low self-esteem and since my early sexual awakening left me sort of stranded without any girls interested in guys left me afraid I was lacking. Hence shota fantasies. Oh, and I was on the swim team, so muscular girls always appealed.

From there, my forays into the net led me link to link into the dark, dank corners where you wonderful ladies and gentlemen spend your time. And thus did I become one of you. Like most of you, I've acquired a number of new fetishes here at 4chan, though there's a number of flavors I just don't get (scat, vore, vomit, etc).

Anyways, that's my tale, make of it what you will. I just felt like joining the confessions of the /d-tards. Maybe now that I've made my inaugural post, I'll actually invent a handle and begin reciprocating what I've taken over the years. ^_^
>> Anonymous
didnt Dan Savage explain y people (especially guys) find futa/traps appealing? As far as im concerned my attraction to them is their female form and their versatlity. if with a guy, they can be the female and take it and with a female they can be the male and give. plus, unlike lesbians, there is always a money shot. im not sure as to why the money shot is so important, i think its because since i have the same anatomy there i understand whats happening and can almost feel it. kinda like when you see someone get punched in he gut; you kinda of cringe. even if its just a little.
>> Anonymous
>>609256
Yeah same. also, there are no limits to hentai, hence why we have massively hung futas. I think the fact that something like that WOULD never happen in real life is why its special and awesome to fap to. Also, real porn can be fun, at times, but only as a base for your imagination. I think i fap probably 50% real and 50% hentai, just because when I'm watching real porn, its easier to imagine I'm fucking someone i know and am attracted to, as apposed to hentai. Btw, does /d/ do that? Watch real porn, with a picture of someone you want to fuck, and imagine you are fucking them?
PS. Thank god for POV.
>> Anonymous
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I'm a girl that's into futa, domination, and loli. I'm not really sure why... I had a fucked-up childhood, but none of it was sex-related.

I suppose I'm into loli and domination since I'm naturally pretty submissive and like the idea of a man calling the shots.... I suppose my attraction to futa is a case of penis-envy, or I like the thought of being fucked by someone that's "the best of both worlds".
>> Anonymous
I've believe you've confused us with a two bit forum that actually gives a fuck about what you think.
We aren't a fucking psychiatric ward, so stop going to us for help every single fucking time you're worried about your mental health.
>> Anonymous
>>609459
tl;dr
>> Anonymous
     File :-(, x)
Since this is an image board...

I think you have to be VERY creative to invent a new fetish these days. Oh, the internet!
>> Anonymous
More than 120 posts and only 3 sages! Great discussion!