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Hey, /d/.
Me and a local female are going to be having a little bit of bondage fun in the near future, specifically with ropes.
The problem is, we live in Buttfuck, Utah, and have no idea on what kind of rope to buy for such a purpose, and, unfortunately, the closest sex shop is 100+ miles away.
We don't want to get all nice and tied up, only to get thousands of slivers.

In return, bondage.
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Go to a home depot or any store that does sell rope and try Nylon/silky ropes. Generally they let you feel before you buy.

If its white or pink you should be good
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>>762845
Okay, thanks.
Any ideas on thickness?
>> Anonymous
>>762850
Thin works just as good, and will work fine for tying either of you up. Though be good and test it first, give it a good tug between your hands.
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Thanks much, /d/.
And sorry for the mostly reposts, my bondage collection is sadly lacking.
>> Anonymous
>>762845
Dear god NO.

Nylon ropes feel good, yes. You know why? They're smooth. They've got no friction. Those bitches will slip tight with the slightest provokation.

Jesus Christ, this is why you don't give advice on something you've got no idea about. It sounds good, but from a practical standpoint you may as well just pay someone to hang you.

Also, WHENEVER you do rope play, you better make damn sure that you've got a sharp knife handy. All it takes is one slipped knot to cause some permanent damage or death, and the sooner you can cut the rope, the better.
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>>762868
I'll make sure to be damn careful, then.
Luckily I have plenty of knives, all very sharp.

We aren't going to be doing any suspension/full body tie-ups, but I will be cautious.

Thanks for the heads up.
>> Anonymous
>>762875
Good. Suspension play is not something anyone should do without experience. It's a lot more dangerous than it looks.

I highly encourage you to try basic rope tricks first, nothing fancy, no Japanese bondage or anything. Just tie her wrists to the armrest of a hair, or to the headboard of the bed. See how comfortable it is first. Get used to tying thicker knots and looping the rope several times. The most important part of any rope play is making sure the knots stay exactly where you tie them.

In terms of what you're looking for in a rope, comfort is the SECOND thing you need to look for. A lot of people get seriously injured because they choose Nylon rope for its comfort. The first thing you want is a rope that has enough surface friction that the knot won't slip for any cause short of complete lubrication with crisco. If you get a rope that slips even a centimeter under a simple hand test, just try to imagine what might happen if someone's entire body weight was applied to it.
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>>762881
I'm glad I ignored her and asked you guys anyway, then, otherwise I probably would have gone for comfort and probably gotten one of us killed.

Thank you.
>> Anonymous
>>762891
You've got good instincts. Bondage can be very fun, but it's a kink for a reason. If you enter into it without knowledge of what can go wrong and how to handle it, you're just begging for disaster. You did the right thing by asking questions.

I'm glad that I was able to help.
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>>762894
I really didn't feel right without a little research, none of us really knew anybody, and it's hard to sift through millions of google results.

I'm glad you were here to help.
>> Anonymous
>>762897
There's a book that might actually be of good use for you. Lemme check Amazon real quick... Hmmm... Looks like it's out of stock. Anyway, here's the link to it.

http://www.amazon.com/Screw-Roses-Send-Thorns-Sadomasochism/dp/0964596008

"Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns" is a very good book with regards to BDSM, including the mental aspects of it and the operational aspects. It's got advice for what to look out for, what to do to make things more comfortable, and all manner of tips that most people wouldn't even think to imagine.

For someone new to the experience, a book like this is invaluable. Your basic rope play should be fine as long as you're careful, but if you want more, I highly recommend this book.
>> Anoniminous
ITT: Good advice and good pictures. Win-win.
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>>762899
Definitely going to check this out.
Maybe I can find it in an ebook collection until they come back in stock...
>> Anonymous
>>762902
There were a couple of used copies, I noticed, so if you want it, you can still get it used. I also recommend looking at the other books listed on the page. I haven't read any of those personally, but they sound like they're filled with good advice too.

But Thorns is defintely a "Must-own" book on the topic.
>> Anonymous
>>762903
Right.
I'm also going through the "peek inside" or whatever it's called.
But I'll definitely be buying this.
>> Anonymous
>>762904
Looking over the reviews, Jay Wiseman's "S&M 101" also looks like it would be a good buy, though it doesn't quite look as good as Thorns.

Heh, and to think, when I came to /d/ tonight I was just looking for any decent tentacle pics.
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>>762906
I'll check that one out, too.

And I'd give you some tentacles, but almost all of my stuff is out of Texas Raider's stuff, so it's almost all reposts.
:/
>> Anonymous
>>762908
No worries about that. Texas Raider's stuff is about the only good Tentacle action /d/ sees these days anyway.

Glad I was able to help you out. Hopefully you and your girl will get a lot of mileage out of the advice and the book.
>> Anonymous
>>762909
Yeah, that's the truth.
Well, have a good day, and thank you, again. Heh.
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>>762881
This was good advice. Rope is not for the amatuers. Start with some very mild rope work. I prefer cotton rope. Mostly I use leather straps and other leather items, because rope is such a pain in the ass to work with!
>> Anonymous
kink.com has some introductory videos at behindkink, which is free. Lew Ties and Knotty Boys. Professionals showing beginner ties. I myself don't have any experience (sadly my GF is not into it), but it looks sensible :)
>> Anonymous
Other question on the topic: How to convince a girl to try it? Spread eagle on the bed + cunnilingus?
>> Anonymous
>>762919
Rope is a pain in the ass, and good leather is expensive. Sigh... all the best hobbies either drive you insane or to the poor house.
>> Anonymous
>>762924
Tell me about it.

Good iron bondage (handcuffs, chains, etc) is one pain in the ass to buy because of it's price.
>> Anonymous
>>762947
It's the same thing with medical fetish.
$60 for a 1-gal enema bag? I can rig up one out of a pepsi bottle and some medical tubing for ~$10.
But, usually you get what you pay for, and my pepsi bottle leaks.
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>>762924
Leather isn't all that expensive. Hell, i went to a Tandy leather store and bought some buckles and straps and made all my own toys.

And as for convincing your GF to try out bondage...I suggest go slow at first. I tied up my first GF nice and tight when we were 17 and she freaked out! The next GF, I started with a simple blindfold and slowly added more over different "dates". That worked out a whole lot better. I could tell what her limits were, and she learned to trust me more each time. We always had fun.
I've tied up a lot of girls. Some loved it, some didn't. You can never guess which one will enjoy it. Some school teacher/ secratary types like it a lot, and some Biker chick types hated it. And Vice versa.
It's all a crap shoot.
Good luck with it.
>> Kitty-Moogle-Chan
>>762962
You just need to make a seal between the bottle and the tubing, and do it properly. There a few ways you can do this; probably the best for your purposes is to just caulk around the seal. :)
>> Anonymous
Like the previous poster said, wrists only the first time. Take it easy, and get to know what you're doing.

I honestly would spring, if I were you, for a pair of fur-lined cuffs. They're much softer on the sub than most materials, and I found it makes the entire process much more intimate. You also need to be careful if you buy handcuffs that they're double locking, or they're going to get tighter if you start getting rough.

But yeah, going for shibari the first time is ridiculous, and it's good that the OP knew that. Most people can't do it period, and it can cut off blood circulation in a myriad of places if you do something wrong.

I also wouldn't use a gag the first time either, though I'm repulsed on the whole by gags while making love. You never know, as the previous poster said, how someone's going to react, and you want to make sure they won't start asphyxiating on it.
>> Anonymous
>>762993
I was actually thinking of using a four year old, nearly dead soldering iron and melting it shut.
>> edo_hure !CY6ac/sjcI
jay wiseman's 'erotic bondage handbook' is pretty good too.i found a copy at half price books, in the erotica section.
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>>762916

If you want a compromise between safety and comfort, you could always loosely wrap (not tie) silk scarves around her wrists before you use the rope.

Of course, depending on the rope, she might never be able to wear those scarves in public again. (Her wrists might slip the ropes as well, so obviously no suspension here.)

If you and your girl are considering this longterm, you might try making some cuffs out of old belts. If you come across some handcuffs (for best bet, shoot for a pair with an emergency release latch. You don't want to end up a sitcom episode) you can stuff pairs of tub socks around the gaps to make them more comfortable as well.
>> Anonymous
>>762868

Can't say I'm sure what your problem with nylon is - almost every bondage practicioner I know uses twisted nylon rope (not exclusively, but they use it), and it's always come recommended as a good all-rounder in rope bondage books (Jay Wiseman, Miller & Devon, Midori, Chanta Rose, Two Knotty Boys etc). You might also want to consider 'safety scissors' over a sharp knife for cutting rope, like you get in a first aid kit, they're strong enough but have no risk of cutting the skin too.

That said, it may be easier to start out with cuffs - rope ties to the D-rings on cuffs would be easier and safer than binding the limbs themselves. If you can't afford leather, velcro cuffs are cheap as hell and surprisingly strong.
>> Anonymous
>>763036
Yeah, velco is very strong, cheap, and available at most dollar stores.
And it hold pretty good without tightning up
>> Anonymous
>>763036
I found nylon ropes to be very variable in friction, confort, some recoiled like hell, and so on, while with coton I never had such problems. Alos, Op's asked about diameter, I'd say 8mm or more (especially at the beginning when you're not so confortable with knots). And yeah, scissors beats knives for cutting the rope in a rush.

Start slow, and avoid gags at first (communication will be VERY important in this phase).
>> Anonymous
invest in a pair of trauma shears if you can find them for not too much.

you can cut through pennies with one, and it will save your ass at least once.
>> Anonymous
Self-bondage practicer for nearly ten years, and I strongly prefer cotton. Nylon works okay too, but all the nylon rope I ended up with has been somewhat uncomfortable. Cotton can be tied tighter with far less discomfort.
>> Anonymous
From: http://www.bedroombondage.com/bondageu/drbondage/materials.html

Usually, a large captive enjoys the feel of thick rope (3/8" or more) and a small captive enjoys thinner rope (1/4" or less).

Twisted nylon rope is soft and attractive. Braided nylon rope is a favorite in the Scene because of the snake-skin appearance and smooth sensation; it's less likely to unravel than the twisted style.

Cotton rope is favored by those who like a basement/burglar ambiance. Buy a bit of cheap clothesline, experiment, and determine your own preferences before your second purchase. Make sure you don't buy the clothesline with the sinewy plastic cord center -- it'll eventually work out both ends and poke you.

When cutting rope into lengths, secure the ends to prevent fraying. Wrapping duct tape tightly around the end works well. "Whipping" ends takes time (consult a book on knots or sailing) but looks nice. Nylon ends can also be sealed by burning, but this makes a hard, scratchy tip.

For organized tying, lay out ropes from short to long, then tie on the shortest rope first, progressing to longer pieces. Example: 10' wrists... 10' ankles... 20' crotchrope... 30' chest harness.
>> Anonymous
http://www.bedroombondage.com/bondageu/index.html
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And do add some cinches! It makes the knots easier to tie and much mor comfortable.
>> Anonymous
>>762985
word on the slow - I had a gf who was totally excited about trying it, and even got the rope, but once she was actually immobilized she went into a full blown panic attack. Word on having something available handy to cut someone free fast.

Something as simple as lightly tieing her hands in front of her may be a good start....
>> Treefire !sOEPmGyDXo
...advice to have knives around when practicing bondage?

Why would you NOT have knives in a bondage scene? They're like, one of the most important parts! lol@ soft bondage
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Another good thing to remember when you have tied someone up is to check the temperature of the limbs on 'the other side of the rope'. If you tie her wrists check her hands. If they get cold and/or blue-ish it is time to take off the ropes. The blood flow is affected by how hard you tie, and how long she is tied up, and if this is neglected it can lead to serious damage.

That said I must e spoiled rotten ^^ So far I have only been tied with genuine shibari ropes specially impored from Japan, and damn they feel good! It is not important with comfort (mostly) for the person that is tied up. It is the feel of the ropes against the skin, and hemp is far superior to silk in that regard. And it leaves much nicer marks.
>> Anonymous
>>763255
Bondage =/= BDSM
>> Treefire !sOEPmGyDXo
>>763260
Bah. Neither is any good without the other.
>> ME-tan !AW11phd3JE
Use silk scarves and the like instead of rope until you can get the proper rope you are supposed to use. Plus that silk scarves = classy.
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Old neckties and scarves are good to start with.
Since you're in the middle of nowhere, I assume you would probably buy stuff online, so check out http://www.sub-shop.com - lots of good stuff there for any level, I think it's got the best overall selection of the various web stores.
>> Anonymous
>>763286

moar
>> Anonymous
>>763260
Wrong. BDSM stands for "bondage/domination/sadism/masochism".
>> Anonymous
>>762838

NYLON ROPE. Caps mean importance.
>> Anonymous
>>763297

Wrong motherfucker. It stands for Bondage and Dicipline, Domination and Submission and Sadism and Masochism (BD, DS, SM -> BDSM)

Get your story straight before you start yelling shit.
>> Anonymous
Oh and btw, @ OP, don't buy nylon rope if you can get anything else. Hemp is fine, but it needs to be treated extensively and that's a shitload of work. You can use cotton, but be sure you have cotton with a core, so it doesn't stretch. That way you can get the knots out. Things you want to avoid are your avarage garage rope and stuff you bind your packages with.

With nylon rope you can get rope burn if you're too enthousiastic.

Also, you can use climbing rope (the static kind, not the one that stretches), about 6-8 mm thick. When you're tying, make sure you leave enough room for just a little blood to flow, make sure you're don't dislocate any joints and don't damage any nerves. Don't put knots near major arteries, and above all have fun. Cheers :)
>> Anonymous
Oh for the love of... OP? It's>>762868
>>762881again.

The only person who seems to have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to silk scarves is the person who told you to use them but not tie them.

Silk scarves have the same problem that nylon rope does, only much worse. Silk scarves are ungodly smooth, and they too will slip a knot to tightness faster than your sub can say her safe word.

This is one of the problems with this lifestyle... so many people assume things that they've got no actual knowledge of, or had no problem with once or twice. The book will serve you a lot better than 4chan will, at this point.
>> Anonymous
If you've got the money to waste, get a one month subscription to hogtied ($35 or something like that). They have quite a few instructional videos, including the pros and cons of various rope types and ties.
>> Anonymous
http://community.livejournal.com/budget_bdsm/

This is a GREAT resource for bdsm.

Have fun!
>> Anonymous
Do check out Twisted Monk. He seems like a stand up guy, and he and his wife have a simple business of selling ropes for play and making instructional videos. The videos are demonstrative on the two of them (clothed) and have been invaluable to me. The rope looks nice, too.
>> Anonymous
>>763663
http://twistedmonk.com/
Has videos for flash download for free. More techniques available on DVD.
>> Anonymous
You're all retards. THICK nylon rope - buy it at Home Depot for supercheap by the foot - is FINE for starters. If you're looking to restrain and aren't sure of your foot and hand ties, incorporate cuffs and run the ropes through the rings in the cuffs. Buy Bondage for Sex, and check out Two Knotty Boys on youtube.
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>>763036
Good advice.

Look for bondage tutorials - magazines like Bondage Life always have them, or google the term.

I learned how to tie from a guy who made videos for Harmony Productions. The first consideration is not to cut off your partner's circulation. Uncomfortable, dangerous, and spoils the fun.

Thicker rope is more comfortable than thin. Rope that's thick enough to have a core - 3/8 to 1/2 thick - feels good and lasts a long time. Thinner cotton rope is good for the tie shown in the pic. I have done this tie a lot of times and it's great. It gives you all kinds of anchor points for all kinds of things. Your partner will be very impressed!

Cut lengths much longer than you think you'll need them - you can always find something to do with extra rope but it's a drag when it's too short.

If you want to pad wrists or ankles before applying ropes, a folded washcloth is just the right size.

Nylon pet collars are cheap and make good cuffs for spread-eagle bondage. Just punch more holes with an awl to get the right size.

Leather belts are cheap at the dollar store, come in lots of sizes and make good straps. A hammer and nail is all you need to punch more holes.
>> Anonymous
use everyday objects.. neckties, socks, shoelaces, bathrobe belts..
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Twisted nylon is the most common choice and feels comfortable overall in the hands of about anyone, but it isn't the best overall.

I once paid a master japanese bondage artist at a local BDSM event to tie me up and teach my ex in a private bondage session, and he used simple hemp rope to make ties that felt way better than anything nylon could ever do. There wasn't even any suspension involved and it was pure bliss, so I can only imagine what a seasoned master can do.

But when my ex tried the same with hemp rope, it was so godawful we went back to nylon.

YMMV.
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Nylon ropes are fine to start out with. It's cheap at the hardware store. First cut it into the desired lengths (I'd recommend 2x 10ft lengths, 4x 5ft lengths, and one 50ft length for body harnesses) and secure the ends by wrapping with electrical tape or burning over a flame. If you use the latter method, which I recommend, sand down the melted ends so they aren't too rough. Another trick: use different colored rubber bands to secure each length, so you can easily tell which is which.

Knots don't slip if you tie them right, and you should NEVER be using knots that tighten when pulled anyways. Submissives will invariably struggle, and you don't want knots pulling tighter. Always make sure you can slip two fingers between the rope and the skin. Otherwise, it's too tight, and you're going to cut off the flow of blood.

The best way to learn is to buy some books or learn from someone experienced. But you can find instructions for at least a few simple ties on the internet.
>> Anonymous
>>763763

I was tying myself up with my bathrobe belt, bedsheets and shoelaces since before I was ten. I would have been a pedo's dream... I've always been a sicko.
>> Treefire !sOEPmGyDXo
>>763866
I've found shoelaces to be an amazing cure to that itch when you have NO other materials. For a male, two shoelaces is enough to tie inbetween the balls and the crotch, around the cock twice, around the balls, around the thies (and in the ass if wanted) and then around the cock again, all with about 5 knots. All completely invisible when underneath a layer of clothing, but also works like one of those cock rings, in that it makes it very hard for your body to lose an erection.

Grats on your <10 years old genius :)
>> Anonymous
cohagen
>> Anonymous
>>762838
Is no one else going to ask for the sauce to this thing?
>> Anonymous
take your shitty discussions outside
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<---- This is the rope I use personally
>> Anonymous
>>762962

pepsi bottle isnt a good idea, its not collapsable like an enema bag. you can always get multiple bags from walmart or wherever and get hose connection stuff at hardware store or medical supply.
>> Anonymous
OP: there are lots of tricks and tips and it could take years to learn it all. I'm sure you've heard it a lot on this post but DONT use any kind of knot that is only secure when it is tight. A good rule of thumb is a good bondage knot is secure when loose and you can always slip 2 fingers mid way under a lager limb tie and 2 finger tips under smaller limb ties (like small wrists). I would highly recomend laying a 4 legged chair over and practicing some knots on the legs. Also be aware of rope ends and what they do when you pull them though knots and around body parts - they will come up and slap you or your captive in the face if your not careful. Put big complex knots on your ankle and untie them as quick as you can, learn and feel how you can make it very uncomfortable if you're not careful. If you keep in mind all of these things and don't go overboard, you should have a very pleasant first bondage experience.
>> Anonymous
>>763931

sauce plees?
>> Anonymous
>>762906

Just btw, I was wanting to mention that I was thoroughly unimpressed with this book. It's the very basics, and doesn't really go into bondage too much. Also, the author has a menthol fetish, but that's beside the point ;) have a good time.

Oh, and another vote for nylon if you stay away from suspension and make sure she'll tell you if her limbs start to fall asleep.
>> Anonymous
>>763931

this has a very Krutta-Fan feel, which is nice.
where's it from?
>> Anonymous
In Utah?? Hell! There is The French lady on State Street in slc, Blue Boutique in West Valley and Sugarhouse, there the keyhole also in West Valley. Don't give us that anon.....silly rabbit staps are for chicks.
>> Anonymous
Jesus Christ. You'd think tying someone up was brain surgery reading this thread. Yeah, you can accidentally hurt someone, but all it calls for is a little caution, not fucking years of experience. Just do it and don't be stupid.
>> Anonymous
You can't go wrong with nylon.
>> Anonymous
*shrugs* I'd rather it be treated like brain surgery, personally. I don't want to hear about any of you freaks wining a Darwin Award (or worse, awarding it to someone else) because you saw a complicated tie-up in porn somewhere and thought you could just figure it out.
>> Anonymous
>>764923
I had a friend die this way, and I haven't been able to get off to bondage pics since.

Not saying don't do it. Just be careful and don't accidentally hang yourself.
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>>764923
Ya want to try bondage and your not sure how the GF will react? Here's a cheap fix for the problem. Try using some Saran wrap, or wjhatever brand you have handy. It stretches, it's fairly safe and it's kind of fun to tease and tickle her thru it.
BTW:
I don't have ANY hentai art with Plastic wrap. This is a close as I have.
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>>765128
:|
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>>763297
=/= is one way of writing "not equal to". So he is in fact, quite right.
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>>763297
dumbass
>> Anonymous
>>765128
saran wrap is win for beginning. i never thought about it but thanks for jump-startin my brain....must troll for saran wrap bondage now...
>> Anonymous
>>765128
Yiff in hell.
>> Anonymous
>>765199
Cool! I knew someone must have at least one sample. Thanks!
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>>765221
Saran wrap is easy. Wrap her hands into mittens, then take it slow from there. She how she likes it. Don't wrap it too tight, and have some scissors handy.
When done, Pull the wrap away from her skin when you cut her free, or unwrap it. Once it sticks to her skin, it's like pulling off a giant band-aid. So go slow on the removal! But it's simple to work with. Try wrapping your own hand or legs and you get the idea. After a few minutes, your body sweat makes it like glue, sticking to your skin.
If you take it off slow, it's painless.
I wrap my GF is plastic wrap all the time. Once in a blue moon, I'll mummify her and then wrap her in duct tape. I cut statigic holes in the mummy wrap for teasing time...but that's way advanced for beginners!
Start slow and figure it out as you go.
And always be careful, and don't get all stoned or whatever before ya play bondage games for the first time!
>> advice from a sailor Anonymous
Lines used on boats a woven nylon/composite cords. Good ones have very little stretch so that they can be untied even if a lot of force is put on them (like a main). If you have a marine shop or maybe army-navy store. They could have what you need in a variety of sizes. But go easy just to be on the safe side.