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Let's have another /d/iscussion, shall we - though, this one is more focused than the previous one.

Inspired by the thread about Mind Control and Hypnosis which is going to die soon due to age, let's discuss the concept of 'control' in a relationship.

Let's talk about the dom/sub relationship - which one are you (or would prefer to be)? What are some of your more favorable experiences as one or the other? Do you prefer such things in person, or have you only experimented with this online (or never discussed it before)?

It may be uncomfortable, of course, for people to discuss horror stories and such, but if you are willing to share those, that is fine, as well.

As a subset of this discussion, what is your stance on mind control and hypnotism? I am interested to see both sides of this discussion, as it was intimated that many people here in /d/ are quite staunchly against the destruction of the persona - in real life. However, in the context of fantasy, it is quite exciting to just as many people. Why is that?

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Personally, I have had only a little bit experience of it as a dom during a brief phone relationship. The thought of bringing a woman to climax simply by commanding her to over the phone is quite thrilling.

On the topic of being a sub: The idea, is that for you (and for many people who are viewing this thread), is not necessarily the loss of self, but being able to completely trust another person to follow their every word, because you believe everything they say - their decisions are 'right'. Something like that. Being able to surrender your body on such a level is a concept that is quite frightening to many people (as it rightly is).

There are some boundaries to creating a proper relationship of this type, I think. In a typical dom/sub relationship, you don't ask for the sub's opinion. The girl simply has to have faith in letting me use her and her body as I see her. You don't see many relationships like this because the level of trust something like this requires with even one other person is, quite frankly, a very rare commodity in today's society.

The majority of people who exist in this kind of relationship, I think that the majority of people who get the most out of this lifestyle would be couples who have been together for a very long time.

Your comments are appreciated! Of course, posting pictures is always welcome.
>> Anonymous
Not your personal blog.

Also, tl;dr
>> Anonymous
TL;DR

This is a place for Porn. Perhaps you should look elsewhere for friends.
>> Anonymous
>>1186256
hey, buddy, /d/ has some fuckwin discussions, especially lately.
>> Anonymous­
>>1186280
>hey, buddy, /d/ has some fuckwin discussions, especially lately.

sure, if by fuckwin discussions, you mean obvious troll name/tripfags shitting up /d/ lately, then yes, /d/ has some fuckwin discussions, especially lately.
>> Anonymous
/d/ is pretty damn picky about it's discussion.

apparently anything thought provoking/involving thought - omg fuck off, this board is for porn.

but share your fantasies? "omg i want 2 tie girls 2 beds and make them cum omg *fapfapfap*"
>> Anonymous
>>1186290
BECAUSE I WANNA CUM, NOT THINK!!
>> Kind and gentle Anon
Pictures are hot, but so are people describing their experiences and desires.

You can't really expect people not to talk, and just post pictures to please you.
People want to express themselves, so don't expect to get anywhere with your "just for porn" argument.
>> Anonymous
>>1186286
You don't know what trolling is, do you?

The only fags killing /d/ are the saucefags and their whiteknights. And occasionally furries that bitch about the rules, or people who are butthurt against futa.
>> Anonymous
switchfag here

for me being dominate is mostly about showing the other person i can be trusted/ the pleasure i can make them feel if they step outside their box, I've been the "teacher" in most of the relationships I've had, and as a result i am usually the one to bring up any non vanilla type acts. something as simple as "ask me before you cum" is often all it takes to bring out the submissive in most girls. to often though when i'm dominate i end up being more concerned for the sub pleasure and end up unsatisfied myself.

being a submissive is a lot more fun for me, but i have a bad habit of toping from the bottom("wouldn't it feel good if you did this to me", ect). mostly because as mentioned before, i haven't had the pleasure of a partner with prior bdsm experince.

i need to find me a girl who has more experience than me. :(
>> Anonymous
>>1186294

Meh, there's more to sexuality than your masturbation cycle... and though Its a big internet, but it still tough for /d/eviants to find forum to explore their paraphilia. As long as we're all here, we might as well be friendly.
>> Anonymous
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Some of my friends are in 24/7 relationships, and it honestly scares me. Don't get me wrong - I love love LOVE bdsm, and I can't recall a time that I didn't masturbate to something /d/ related (literally) ... but... when I read blogs that cross the line from sane and consensual and into that "well, I didn't *really* want it.. .but Master wanted sex, even when I said no, so it's not rape..." it bothers me. I don't care if someone is your 'Master' in real life... if you say you do not want sex, it's rape.
>> Anonymous
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I've been trying to convince myself that I'm a switch for nearly two years now, but time and time again, when it comes my turn to dom, I always feel like I'm doing it wrong (even if my partner assures me it was fantastic afterwards), so I think in the end I'm probably a sub. Dominating just always makes me so anxious, but when I submit, it's always absolutely amazing for me. I suppose I just like the idea of being taken care of and not having to worry about anything except trusting my dom to make sure that I enjoy myself. That and I'm a complete painslut, but that's more physical and less mental, lol
>> Anonymous­
>>1186327
this arouses me
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>> Anonymous
submissive always.

I love when my partner tells me what to do and how to do it.

and calls me names. so fantastic. The guy I'm with now is considerably more conservative than I am sexually so.. I usually end up dominating just so I can get some action but... I looooove sub.
>> Anonymous
I hate the idea of bdsm and it doesn't turn me on. Futa however I do enjoy.
>> Anonymous
>>1186327

your most likely a excellent dom because you have the mind of a sub, you know what a sub wants, enjoys ect.

if it helps your enjoy doming more, try think in terms of you subing for a dom who enjoys being domed, that sentence was terrible, but you should get the idea. enjoy the mental gymnastics.
>> Anonymous
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I don't know if I have a submissive personality outside sex, but... I think I do, sometimes. I like being taken care of. But I'm not submissive in my opinions... I hate hate *hate* guys that act like girls shouldn't speak their minds, or say what they want or have their own opinions. I wouldn't mind being told to "shut the hell up" or "your opinion doesn't matter!" if it was during sex play, or some sort of bdsm specific time, but if we're just having a normal dinner or a normal conversation? It would piss me off. I have a line, albeit pretty thin, between who I am sexually and who I am in normal life.
>> Anonymous
>>1186340
WHY CANT I MEET GIRLS LIKE YOU :(
>> Anonymous
>>1186309here

the one time i've dominated for my pleasure and my pleasure alone i end up messing the girl up pretty bad, she had been beaten by her father when she was young, i didnt know this, i made her say that she loved to be abused, choked her till she passed out while fucking her in the ass, slapping her, spiting in her ect. needless to say things didnt turn out so well, im rather afraid to dom for my own sake after that. the problem is i found the fear/tears in her eyes super hot, and now when ever i start to dom i end up frustrated at my self for not doing what i want out of fear of emotionally breaking the other again.

/d/'s rape/mind control/broken pets/fucked senseless threads are the only things that give me any real release. :(
>> Anonymous
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On the MC issue:

My first memories of (what I later realized to be) sexual arousal are based around the non-erotic MC that would show up every once in a while on my Saturday morning cartoons. Its a fantasy that's always gripped me and I imagine always will.

That being said, it *is* a fantasy and it is, I think, a really personal thing. I can express some of my greatest fears (loosing my rationality to my pure desire for happiness) and some of my greatest desires (to be loved unconditionally) through my fetish... pieces of myself that I need a way to explore but could never possibly insert into a sexual relationship with another person.
The immorality of real life non-consensual "hypno-sex" (hell let's not beat around the bush and just call it rape) has therefore never been an issue for me.

All that aside, if I ever connect with a girl with a true submissive streak, I think we'll have a lot of fun together.
>> Anonymous
>>1186457this pic is awesome with its text, and that is super fun to do to.
>> Anonymous
Gotta love mind control. If it would exist, it would allow even an obese sick fuck like me to have sex without paying or raping.
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Can't find good screens though !
>> Dark Love slut
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Here are the episode previews though !
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>> Anonymous
>>1186394here

dark love is fucking awesome, i want a magic potion that gives me super tentacles
>> Anonymous
>>1186568

where can i download these?
>> af
Hunh.

>>1186545

Dark Love is also known as Kuro Ai, and the CG set is somewhat tamer than the animated version. Compare with the following images.
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>>1186358
>>1186322
Great examples of mentally sane people that want to enjoy and explore their sexuality, we are not all born the same. I hate the so called "Masters" that demands total submission and obedience. A good Master gets the same without being an asshole. After all bdsm is just sex, outside the bedroom a sub should be able to tell her Master her preferences and toughts, and of course they deserve, even more than a vanilla girl, to be loved and cared. Don´t let anybody say otherwise to you.
There are nice guys out there who just happen to enjoy to spank and submit their girlfriends, look for them.

Man, i love this threads.
>> Anonymous
The other porno boards have discussions sometimes. You guys are all just chronic masturbators whose OCD fires up if even ONE thread isn't filled with futa.
>> Anonymous
I prefer both dom/sub but more dom. Erotic hypnosis on a sub would be so hot.
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>>1186971
It's perfectly acceptable for a master to accept complete obedience, as long as he's clear about it before they get into it, as not everyone are into it. Personally I think a completely submissive girl is a fun thing to fantasize about, but she would most likely bore me out of my mind before too long in a real life relationship. True switches are win. Not the spoiled brat mentality of a domme, and not the weakness of the kind of sub who can never stand up for themselves. I guess complete subs are okay too, as long as they have more personality traits than being submissive.
>> Anonymous
>>1187018
The only thing I have a problem with is that there *has* to be a limit to what is acceptable, regardless of if they enter into a relationship expectingn complete obedience. Naturally, any good Master would make it very clear what he wanted from the relationship, and what he expected, but... again drawing from my experience on reading blogs and friends talking to me -- if their Master ties them up and decides, hmm, we're going to try knifeplay today... and she says "No, I do *not* want to do that, do not touch me with that knife, untie me, seriously" and he does it anyway, while she's saying no, no, stop? I don't care if someone entered into a relationship saying they would be totally obedient. That is not okay. Insert whatever scenario for the knife - sex when they didn't want it... and not "nn, not in the mood for sex tonight, sir," I mean, "No, I don't want this" type of sex. I don't care what they agreed to, that is wrong. And it makes me physicall sick to hear my friends and online bloggers say "I told him no before and during and after I felt raped, but he's my Master and it doesn't matter what I think."
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>>1187018
Of course is aceptable, if it´s what the sub wants...but im not talking about total obedience, im talking about allowing the sub to speak how she feels about her training.
And i think that some things should stay in the bedroom, outside or with other people the sub should just relax and behave like any other girlfriend...
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>>1187022
I totally understand what you mean those subs are just brainwashed :S...

And thats WHY safewords were invented. (Because there is nothing as sexy as a sub saying: M-master, please...dont).

There has to be a limit, for both the sanity of the relationship and the subs/dom mind.
>> Anonymous
>>1187024
I agree about safewords. I think safewords in very, very specific instances or relationships can be used... but if someone is going to abuse a "no safeword" relationship by basically raping and torturing someone? It just makes me sick. And, don't get me wrong, I'm not judging people who might have violent kinks (hell, some of my fantasies are extremely guro and end in death, sooo) but... there are lines that shouldn't be crossed without full consent or safewords.
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>>1187022
If they're really okay with it, then it's not really your business. It might very well be that they enjoy being forced to something they don't really want to. If not, it's their responsibility to get out of the relationship.

>>1187023
If it doesn't cause any disturbance to others and doesn't break rules of public decency (like the sub being walked naked on a leash in public), it's up to each couple how much of their daily life should be influenced by it. Though I can agree that communication is usually a good idea, as even if a master prefers his sub to be silent, some things should be made clear at times.
>> Anonymous
>>1187029
I disagree.

But you kind of seemed to miss my point of there is a difference between genuinely enjoying something you don't like to do, and being forced to do something you don't want to do - and saying you don't want to do it, before, during, and possibly after - then later justifying it by saying "Well, he's my Master, he can do what he wants." That's just brainwashing. Not literally MC, but that sort of, "oh, my husband hits me if I don't do the dishes, but he loves me, he does!" mentality. I don't think it's right. And I do think it is my place to tell my friends if I think they are in an unhealthy relationship.

Example: I hate diapers. Hate them. Absolutely fucking loathe them. But if I am getting punished, I am made to wear them. I am not joking when I say it is a miserable, horrible, awful experience, and I do not enjoy it. I fight getting into them and bitch about it as much as I dare until I'm out of them. However, I consent to getting punishent. BUT if there is (as there has been) a time when I don't want to be in diapers and if I was in diapers, I would feel 'abused,' - such as when I was on my period, and stewing in menstruation was just not going to happen - will tell my SO, no. I know I am being punished, but no. I know you are my Mistress, but I am telling you, I am not accepting diapers on me, and I am serious about it. And therefore, no diapers. Same for any sex. Yes, she's my Mistress, but there is a line between bdsm play and abuse, and I think it is crossed far too often and excused as "he's my Master, he can do what he wants."

I don't think we'll ever agree on this, I just wanted to express my opinion.
>> Anonymous
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I have an online Master and I like it. I enjoy that I can go about my normal day - school, friends, family, etc - and then come home, and when I go online, get to "switch" over, and be his pet, and be told what to do. I don't know if I'd enjoy it as much in real life... well, the sex parts, definitely (masturbation can only give so much) - but I think it would be quite different to be saying "Yes, sir, I'm a slut," and be down on all fours in real life, as compared to on my knees and typing it online. I'm not sure if my "regular"
>> Anonymous
>>1187029
You have a point, some subs enjoy being forced. I think that we came to a good conclusion: Each people want a different thing, and all the positions should be respected. Also that comunication is really important.

It´s up to you to find a partner that shares your preferences. But sometimes the subs are in love with their doms, and they just want to be pets in order to be with him or her, so they are unable to end the relationship, even if the bdsm side of the relation is becoming just abuse for them.
>> Anonymous
>>1186362

how do you know they're a girl

if anything, I'd say they're a guy
>> Anonymous
>>1187038
Thanks to defend my point, i lack the proper words to discuss it, since this is not my firtst languaje.
>> Anonymous
>>1187041
How much time you has been with your Master?.
>> Anonymous
>>1187041
oops, cut off. '... I'm not sure if my regular personality would be able to submit, but online, it is much easier.'

>>1187046

Not that long. Why?
>> Anonymous
>>1187042
That's how I am with women I love, not just when it comes to the bdsm play...
>> Anonymous
>>1187048
Oh, nothing, i just wanted to know if your computer is already fixed.
>> Anonymous
>>1187054
:O

I'm still on my friend's computer. (I slept over at her house.)

Still... :O You're a mind reader, sir!
>> Anonymous
>>1187058
Yes, and you are a /d/eviant...
I´m not going out tonight, so i´ll wait for you tonight, answer my mail, i would like to hear a little from you.
Have a nice time at your friend´s.
And try to fix that crappy pc :P
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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I am very prudeish and controlling in real life, which is why I enjoy going to sex and bdsm clubs and basically being a submissive slut for people. It's an escape from my normal personality.
>> Anonymous
I find it troubling to come to grips with a peice of my personality I'm afraid to come to terms with.

To explain, in almost every relationship (I have trouble remembering when I'm not) I'm mostly submissive to an extent. I opted to sacrifice my own avarice to better please my loved ones, even when I had a nagging feeling that it's a bad idea. I've probably cost myself more relationships by being too accomodating than I have saved. The most important of which, a year ago, a girl I deeply loved (and still do, although don't tell my new girlfriend) said that she wanted to try her best friend (an ex who dumped her for who we both agree was a whore) at relationship. Not even like that, she noted that he liked her, and I did something I deem the worst move of my life. I just... let her go. I told her all I cared about was what made her happy. of course, he ended up cheating on her, but she kind of distanced from me anyway.
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>>1187038
Yeah, I guess we can't quite come to an agreement. I can understand that it seems extreme, but I believe that some people genuinely want a relationship without limits or safewords. However, if the sub didn't show any interest in total power exchange before meeting their master, but somehow got talked into doing it, I could have greater understanding for your concerns.
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>>1187103

And this, more than ever, brought to light that little voice in my head that told me everything would be better if people would just listen to me. I've always neglected that voice, because I felt it was a darker, unfair influence that could only mean trouble. I mean, dom/sub/master/slave stuff is fun to think about, but I was troubled by the concept of controlling someone. I've always had the fantasy, but I pushed it aside in fear of discomforting my SO.

And the more and more I go on, the more I really start thinking "Shit would just be better if they'd listen to me." Not in an advice way, of course.

...And it troubles me to think that Mind control, despite how unrealistic, would probably be a boon to my relationship with the One that Got Away. I would be happy if she was, and she would be happy with me. That artificial affection would be better than none. In reality, I accept I don't want to disregard her feelings. I just want to inspire them, and maybe having the level of trust to be her... 'Master', if you call it, to be the one to lead her and care, wouldn't that be the right thing to do?
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>>1187109
You just need to find a balance. There's a lot of options between being a doormat and not trusting anyone to have influence over you. And don't deny your dominant side, as it will only try to find other ways to express itself that will probably be more unhealthy. Most women will expect a man to be able to take control, and due to their biological programming they'll generally find submissiveness to be an unattractive trait in males.
>> Anonymous
>>1187155
You're probably right.
>> Anonymous
Browsed the thread just for the pictures, but, male, and pref. slightly sub. Nothing too extreme.
>> Anonymous
I pretty much can't get off to anything unless there's some sort of sub/dom element, and I've gotta be in the sub role. So. Yeah.
>> Tvmbledown !!eYuQGZHZNYM
>>1187109
ITT: /d/ becomes an outlet for those of us who've learned about ourselves through pain, also known as BAWWWWWW.

Fucking BAWWW.

As much as it is touching to read the stories of others... And as poignant as many of those stories are, how close they hit...

Fuck if I'm going to share that much.

Let's just say that being in an abusive relationship, and incorporating D&S into that relationship, is a bad idea. Especially if it goes on for five years.

Quality pics though, Bawwwanon. *Tips his hat.*
>> Anonymous
i have a Master am in a 24/7 relationship with Him, and am totally in love. He has taught me so much, including how to love myself.
On the topic of safewords: i'm terrible at using them. We use the traditional "Red, Yellow, Green" sequence, and i've used yellow a handful of times, red once or twice... and if Master thinks i can handle something after a yellow, He keeps going... and He proves to me that i am capable of more than i could ever believe. <3 But if i say "RED. NO. STOP," He stops. He only has as much power as i give Him, but it makes me feel content and happy to give Him that kind of power. If Master wants sex, i'm not generally one to deny Him. If He forces me a bit, that's fine. i enjoy it. If for some reason i would not, COULD NOT have sex with Him right then, i'd use the safeword. That's what they're there for.
Someone mentioned that a true sub can be boring - don't get me wrong - i keep Master on his toes. i know which buttons of His are okay to push, and which i need to stay far, far away from at the risk of having Him abandon me. That means i don't play with others without His permission, but if i'm being spanked, i may mouth off to get a little harsher treatment. <3
Master has taught me how much of a masochist i am... i truly lucked out into finding a wonderful Sadist like Him. We learn from/teach each other. i don't think i would ever be satisfied in a vanilla relationship ever again...
Master also helps me outside of a sexual kind of relationship. He sometimes knows what's best for me sooner than i do... like if i'm up playing WoW at 3am with class the next day, Master will order me to go to bed. It's a good thing, because otherwise i'd probably waste the whole night on WoW... :p
i'd say i'm far from brainwashed. i know what i'm doing and i know what my limits (albeit few) are. Master knows my limits, too, because there is a LOT of trust required for this kind of relationship... that's why i love it! <3