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RS -> http://rapidshare.com/files/100588462/_Behind_Moon__Mirror_of_New_Moon.rar
Pass -> 4chan
>> Yin-chan is mai waifu !Jz5XhIZE4Q
Is there an uncensored version?
>> Bumb Anonymous
Bumped in hopes that someone has an uncensored version.
>> Bump Anonymous
Bump in hopes that some Anon has an uncensored, or translated, version of this.
>> HnT
probably no uncensored version :/
>> Anonymous
Uncensored hentai doesn't exist. Unless it's been uncensored by non-Japanese people. Japan has the retardest laws.
>> Ehhh.....
>>837573
Laws that were enacted originally by Americans after WWII, and which have in recent years been repealed, you mean? Those kinds of laws?

In any case, censorship is such a part of Japanese culture at this point that the artists do it of their own accord. It has nothing to do with being legal or illegal, as near as I can tell.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>837583

Okay, I have to step in on this one. Japan has had censorship laws since the 1870s, which they got lax in enforcing up until World War II, after which the U.S. reminded them that they had it and they then decided to be stricter about enforcing it to make themselves look better to the outside world. The laws that were recently repealed has nothing to do with genitalia, just with pubic hair--shaved genitals are so common in hentai because pubic hair was illegal for decades.

Censored genitals are still required, with or without pubes. If you think it's just a cultural thing go ask the mangaka and his publisher who got arrested for publishing an uncensored manga two years ago. There are a few Japanese artists who do uncensored work but that's because they post it on their websites on the internet and don't charge for access to it. Anything that gets commercially sold in the Japanese market--whether manga, anime or CG art--has to be censored. Some take the censorship farther than others.
>> Anonymous
>>837995
Cool... i love learning new things on /d/
What punishment did those poor guys get?
>> Anonymous
THE MORE YOU KNOW!
>> Ehhh.....
>>837995
Well, to be fair, I've never bothered doing any actual research on it; I have read a couple of articles by some of the people involved in the creation of H-OVAs on the subject, though, and one in particular, commenting after seeing an uncensored version (being sold in the US) of a work he... directed, I think it was? He mentioned that it didn't seem right without the mosaics. It definitely is cultural, laws or no laws.

And I'd be curious about the extent of those laws—I have seen uncensored stuff from Japanese artists—it's very, very rare, I'll give you, but it does exist. One example just off the top of my head is Chinkora—who never censors his edits.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>838563

Because he's not selling the shops he does commercially. The key in the law is 'for commercial sale'. Anything--manga, anime, doujinshi, CG--that gets sold in Japan in stores or online must be censored, but the loophole is that if it's not for sale it needn't be. Kind of like how possession of some drugs in the U.S. is legal unless it's with the intent to sell. You'll still see censoring on most 'free' pictures because a lot of times the stuff artists post on their websites are previews or samples of stuff they're offering for sale--Initial-G, for example, collects every picture he posts in his diary and sells them at higher resolution in his diary collection CG sets. Otherwise stuff online is censored just for the sake of consistency so artists don't have half uncensored and half censored art.

When the emperor took control of Japan in 1868 the goal was to 'catch up' to the West as fast as possible--part of this process involved emulating Western cultural norms. This was the prudish Victorian era, so the imperial government came down hard on the sex trade. During the shogunate, red light districts had been important cultural centers of large cities because they were the only place where the rigid distinctions of class level in Japanese society did not apply. In short order after the revolution, prostitution was banned, female-only Kabuki theater was banned and then permitted with only male performers, and censorship hit the print and drawn media.

Honestly I wouldn't know this stuff if I hadn't taken a Japanese history class in college.
>> Ehhh.....
>>838799
...that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

The free thing.
DAMMIT, Japan.
>> Kebinu !GhiZeo/aQQ
>>838814

Japanese society is highly conservative and filled with double standards--there's a vast sex industry right out in the open that makes HUGE amounts of money, yet there's these most-prudish-in-the-noncommunist-world censorship standards. It's just like how prostitution is illegal yet there's "Soaplands" and "Massage Parlors" that are brothels in everything except the name--just look the other way and act polite, don't say anything about it. And because it didn't hurt sales for a long time and the vast majority of Japanese accepted the law, their groupthink-heavy society wasn't going to rock the boat and change the standards for the sake of a few bothered perverts who wanted visible pussy. It's too bad, I thought the fact that they were losing business to people who reimported uncensored American licensed titles could have given them a cover to repeal the law--instead they took the easy way out and basically just stopped licensing titles period, screwing over us AND them. I believe the mangaka who got arrested challenged the law, but I don't know whether it's been decided--and if it has I'm betting he lost.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>838799

Female kabuki was *restored* in the 19th century. It had been banned in the 17th for "moral" reasons (well, it was basically just erotic dance at the time, as was the boys kabuki that followed, another shogun-ordered mandate required kabuki to have *plot*). Interestingly, because the okama who played female roles had become such a part of Japanese culture (they set female fashion trends), no one wanted women back on the stage.
>> Anonymous
>>838901
There's an idea for a case in the next Ace Attorney (Gyakuten Saiban) game: Defending the hentai mangaka for publishing uncensored material. Though I guess it would go against the trend of every god damned trial being a murder case.

Though yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you've said. Japan seems to be riddled with double-standards and following everything to a point of technicality. They can publish every manner of "obscene" porn (including what amounts to child porn in every other 1st world country - though I've heard rumours they plan to crack down on loli material, it's so deeply entrenched as a fairly widespread fetish, it would take some serious action to get rid of it) as they like, but it all slides as long as you cover up those genitals.

Soaplands and massage parlours exist because "technically" sex is only vaginal penetration, so anything else is "technically" not prostitution.

As for how far artists take their censorship, yeah, it's definitely cultural. I've heard people argue plenty of times that it's a "good" thing and part of what generates such a wide range of fetishes or other things to focus on than just the penetration in sex (situational, emotional, facial expressions, etc). There's enough material out there that censors with as little as millimeter-thick bars covering the glans and clitoris (though I guess American equivalent would be the stars/whatever covering nipples, because really, that's the only offending part) to show that it seems to be more the intention of censorship that matters, whereas flaunting lack of censorship would draw far more attention.
>> Ehhh.....
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I'd buy that game. It would be the first one in the series I ever did or would, but I'd buy it, just for that.
>> Anonymous
>>838901
I suppose it's worth mentioning that the lack of censorship wasn't the main reason the importing of licensed material was a problem. It's the fact that they usually sold for less than half what they cost in japan, so even with the cost of importing, they were paying far less AND getting uncensored material as a bonus.

It's really the same issue for non-japanese music released there. The economy's such that CD's cost a lot more there, and so to discourage importing, they include bonus tracks and crap like that. I think for a while they considered not including the japanese audio tracks on licensed OVA's here, but given the record of terrible english dubbing in them, I'm guessing someone perceived this was a bad idea.