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Have any of you ever used a ballgag? I was just wondering, how effective are they? Would you trust one if your life depended on keeping someone silent? And yes, I'm speaking of the kind of ballgag you see in this pic, with holes in it.

On the subject, let's dedicate a thread to ballgags.
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You can still make all kinds of noise, it's just unintelligible and muffled. Far from silence.
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>>576973
Damnit. Well then, another question, what would be the best method to silence someone completely? Duct-tape?
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>>576975

Nothing that's not insanely dangerous, basically. I suppose if you're qualified you could do a tracheotomy, but otherwise you have to either block the subject's airway or render them unconcious.

You can chop decibels off in any number of fun ways, but silencing someone completely and safely for longer than they can easily hold their breath isn't going to happen. And safety's slightly iffy even for, say, a half minute throatfuck.
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>>576997
I see. If we replace "completely" with "as effectively as possible" then? Or perhaps the better question would be, what kind of gag silences most?
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I've heard that pannel gags with some form of inner ball or dildo are the most effective mufflers.
But I have only seen a ballgag in action personally.
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>>577003

Depnds on victim, I'd say. For some ome a gag they can bite down on might work best, and you can use straps to force their mouth shut around it. For some a cock gag to suck on. A gas mask with a bit (not a long one!) of hose will chop off some decibels.

For heavier S/M a gag is actually good, it's easy to scream enough to damage your throat.

Of course, that's just silencing someone mechanically. What works best for you/your partner at the moment? Heavy silencing so the sub can try to scream their head off without that much noise, or a psychological approach where them trying to keep quiet is part of the domination?
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>>577016
Right now I'm thinking of more practical than sexual uses. Without going into too much detail, I might get use for a gag that would at very least keep the neighbors from hearing anything..
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>>577020
is this for random victim rape, or date rape?

or are you writing some kind of lemon or something?
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>>577020

If i'm going to advise you I will need some detail on the practical bits. And pr0n.
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There will be no more details.
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>>577027

Hm, kay. Well, for the least sexy alternative: If you're going to rip out a mangled toenail on yourself or something, just get something to bite down on like a rolled up magazine (goes across mouth, not into).

For the more sexy alternatives, remember that muffled screaming isn't everything that makes noises. A good whipping will bring attention too.

Now, pr0n.
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>>577027
Just let the poor girl go, I'm sure your neighbors desperately want their daughter back.
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>>577031
Well, I guess I can give some more details, it won't be on myself, and commands like "bite down" won't work. The one who will wear it should not have a choice. And there probably won't be much whipping involved. I can't find much more pr0n in my lousily organized folder, sorry.
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>>576972
Sauce ?
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Well... start getting the neigbors used to reasonably loud music being played, that'll help. Have fun and don't do anything actually illegal.
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>>577042
Hm, loud music, didn't think of that. Might work in some situations, but not all. And of course, I'd never break the law.
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>>577047

True, nothing works in all situations. But you always need to keep your brain in gear for BDSM anyway, so that's all right. Adapt, overcome, enjoy.
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>>577053
Of course, but I'll still need some solutions when the other solutions won't work. I might have my sadistic tendencies, but I'm not rude, so I wouldn't wish to wake the neighbors up with my loud music in the middle of the night.
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>>576970

If you stick her panty in her mouth and duct tape it, it should already be enough.
If you want to stay safe, stuff her mouth with some kind of cloth and tape her (be sure to go all the way around her head with the tape).
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>>577070

Right. Safet frakking alert. This is _wrong_ and _dangerous_ and while I appreciate giving advice on the Net it illustrated why you shouldn't take advice from the Net.

Got to go, but there are resources on the Net; look up several, think for yourself and have fun.
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One thing: Ops picture is a drool gag, not that effective for silence, but is handy for the humiliation as they constantly drool all over themselves. A solid gag would be much better for sound suppression, but something like this:
http://www.sub-shop.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=263
would probably be the best bet.
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>>577085
Ah. Figures that the sexiest gag is probably the most useless one. For some reason I still want one..
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i liek drool
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how does i rape hur?!
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Sauce? :o
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>>577112
lurk moar. Well, actually, I have no reason to keep it from you even though you should know it. Artist is Kami Tora.
http://kamitora.futanari.org/
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Am i the only person who thinks we are assistants to a future rape?
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Ballgags work great. I'd just suggest not getting one with the fruity tassles. I used to have one like that, and while it worked great and really put 'er in her place, it still made me giggle and looked a bit too unserious.
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There are safe-ish ways of doing that type of gag. I think the trick is to tuck the cloth between the teeth and cheeks as much as possible. This gag is undoubtedly the very best at stopping noise, but if you suck at it and do it wrong, you'll wind up killing someone with a rag down their throat like in A Few Good Men. Still, the guys at Insex/Hardtied always do this. If you watch them, they're practically stuffing the girls' cheeks full rather than putting it in their mouths.

Another possibility is to run a belt through the mouth and around the head before stuffing in cloth and taping so the it can prevent the cloth from getting too far back. Also, you can use a regular ball gag or something and just electric tape it all the way around really thoroughly for similar effectiveness.

Also, animooted. Plox forgive the non-hentainess of it.
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>>577120
more like a rape/murder
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>>577120
No...but you are the only one that cares.
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>>577133
Ooo, this is very good information, thanks.
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>>577137
Be the fuck careful. Keep surgical scissors really handy. And practice a quick removal before you have to too.
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>>577120
No.
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Hmm, id guess a sponge would be the way to go, make sure its easy to pull oxygen thru it, but the pores should diffuse the harmonics, and the material should absorb a great deal of sound energy. O dont do anything illegal i dont wanna be an accessory.
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>>577136
I care, in the sense that I'd like to see pics of whatever OP is doing.
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i could go for a video, if available
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Just a heads up, it's *surprisingly* difficult to get a gag on someone who isn't playing along with it just a little bit.
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>>577789
Trust Anonymous, man. He fuckin' *knows.*
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>>577795

I haven't actually *raped* anyone, but I have played around with a fantasy abduction where she had instructions to "resist me as hard as you can."

God *damn* I was out of breath at the end of that.
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OMG /r/ sauce or rapidshit for these three. Especially Alice In Slaveland.
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Is there a source for this one?
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chloroform them ... although then its more like doing a corpse
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Not if you do it right...You use the chloroform to get them to the spot and get the body prepared...then make yourself some coffee and wait for your victim to wake up so you can do your thin...Er, I mean...rape is bad.
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Anonymous demadns moar
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OP, we're going to need more details. If you are simply planning a murder, the best idea is to simply use a silent technique (poison, etc), or to choke them out with a jujutsu "naked choke" technique and then kill them as cleanly as possible.

If you're planning a rape, and *must* use a gag to silence them:

Use a pump gag.

You're going to have trouble getting it in. I suggest a combination of (chokehold/knocking the breath out of them in a surprise attack/stungun/ pepper spray).

Do a dry run first. Make the same kinds of noises yourself, or generate them from an innocent situation, and see if anyone calls the police.

A couple of dry runs can be used to desensitize potential witnesses.

Realize that people don't want to get involved. And that they tend to assume something isn't happening, or is innocent. They're afraid of the embarrassment of assuming something is wrong, and then being wrong.

*However*, if the police are going to come around asking questions later, and they heard anything suspicious, they will say so.

To give better advice, I'd need to know more about yr situation.
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I dub you, "Rapist-kun"
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OP possibly is worried about someone reporting him to the police, but here in /d/ it is very unlikely, as you are possibly playing out one of our fantasys. We are more likely to /r/ the vid a few thousand times, even though it's in vain because putting a vid of someone getting raped on the internet it basicly a 1 way ticket to jail because it links you directly to the crime unless you get extremely creative.

Anyway best of luck OP.
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Also remember random victims are your best choice, don't take anyone you know, went to the same school as, worked with. Otherwise it's going to end up messy. Be prepared as Rapist-kun said, even practising breaking into your targets home a few times before actually doing the deed is going to help you alot in the smoothness of your operation. I mean, breaking and entering and kidnapping and rape are charges on whole different levels if you know what I mean. If something goes wrong, you'd rather sit in jail for 2-3 years then 20-30.
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I think you mean stupid-kun.

First of all, if your intention is to keep someone silent, a ball gag is about as useful in that regard as giving them a bullhorn. In ALL my years of using them in play, never once has it ever done anything to silence anyone who actually wants to make noise. It's entire purpose is solely as a prop and nothing more.

If you want to see how much noise they stop, take a tennis ball and shove it in your mouth. Yes, believe it or not, you CAN in fact do it unless you haven't hit puberty yet (or are freakishly small headed). Then scream at the top of your lungs. Surprise, you can make a fuckload of noise.

Wanna know why? Because a ball gag does fuck all about the nasal passage, and OMG surprise! air can travel through it carrying noise. Not to mention the fact that sound still carries through the mouth even when something's in it because, OMG surprise again! it's not the mouth that makes the sound.

As for the whole rape/murder crap, if you really need help/info, getting it from 4chan virgins who likely have never even spoken to a live woman, let alone commited any kind of felony is going to go over really well. I suggest you listen very carefully to their infinitely sage advice and do exactly as they say.

Dumbasses.
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never used a ball gag, watched far too many videos where you could still hear far too much. I rely on my hands to cover the persons nose and mouth, giving them enough air so that they don't suffocate, but keeping them quiet (I have room mates who don't like being woken up at 3 in the morning just because I couldn't wait another 6 hours to ride my bf's cock) but seriously, watch a lot of porn, it really can teach you a few things.
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Hey this is the OP again, just wandering, what's /d's favorite shovel for gardening work? Just wondering.
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I lol'd.
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just chloroform the bitch and have your way with her.
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>>578149

Yai I get naem on 4chan!

Seriously, though, if you're going to do something dangerous, you might as well do it right.

A gag, even an inflatable pump gag (which is much better than a ball gag, because it can be pumped up to restrict the movement of the jaw, not just block the mouth), is not going to stop noise.

You're just trying to muffle the kind of noise that really carries, the kind that goes through walls, reaches the neighbors' house, and convinces them that something *must* be seriously going on.

But that isn't the only part of the equation.

Noise is one means of resisting, of which there are many. In general, the key is this:

You must gain control of the situation as quickly as possible.

I'll say that again.

You must gain control of the situation as quickly as possible.

Every moment that your victim is not restrained, incapacitated, paralyzed with fear, or otherwise under your control, is a moment in which they can escape, summon help, or hurt you. (And yes, even a much smaller, weaker person can easily hurt you, given a little luck.)

The tools in your arsenal for gaining control are:

Surprise.
Violence.
Fear.
Appropriate equipment.
And MOST OF ALL... proper planning.

Plan everything, from how you will gain entry, to how you will gain control, to how you will escape, to what you will do if it all goes pear-shaped. Practice each bit in a safe environment so you know what to expect. Keep your plan SIMPLE and be ready to execute it FAST, and ready to abandon it faster still and get out, if things don't go your way.

The idea is hit them when they're least ready, and to be absolutely ready yourself.
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well you're bascially a bunch of sick fucktards planning on raping someone,if this was brought to the police any of you could be arrested for having helped the murderer.
get a life faggots
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Ballgags are generally just for the aesthetic value.
The most effective and safe way to do it is probably duct tape with a good amount of mouth stuffing, but you'd have to be careful like they say so they don't end up with shit down their throat.
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Fucking sauce
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>>578247And yes, even a much smaller, weaker person can easily hurt you, given a little luck.

Luck has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with the type of person they are. Size is irrelevant in this equation as well.

I used to go out with this petite adorable little lady (she was like 4'10" and weighed *maybe* 95 lbs soaking wet), but she was a goddam firecracker. I watched her kick the shit out of a football player (6'8" at least and a good 230 lbs) who was making unwanted advances on her. She didn't know martial arts or have any formal defensive training of any kind, she was just very aware of how vulnerable men are (not just the balls), and she was the kind of person that doesn't take shit. It also helps that a guy is usually nowhere near ready or prepared to deal with someone less than half their size in that kind of situation, as they tend to feel overly confidant and are almost always caught off guard.

As for planning, again, if you're taking advice from 4chan regarding something like this, it won't matter how much you plan, you're simply not equipped to execute such an act. Stick with the fantasy.

Instead, start on things like killing small animals and such. If you can't even bring yourself to do something so low risk and baby-step cruel, there's no way you could hope to deal with an actual human being. Work your way up to people. Meanwhile, develop your sociopathic behaviour to dull yourself to the suffering of others. Things like random petty cruelty are easy ways to start, eventually building to more advanced aspects like petty crime and vandalism. Eventually, you'll be able to graduate to the big leagues, but not without experience. Unless you *want* to get caught and sent to prison where you'll be some big nigger's rapetoy for 20 years.