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Discussion time, /cm/!

Why do you ship what you ship? Or, in general, what do you find appealing about shonen-ai/yaoi/slash/whatever-the-proper-term-is-these-days? Is it the "Lesbians" principle in porn but with guys? (Two attractive men making out is better than one attractive man not doing anything?) Or do you ship it because you think they could make a legitimate couple? Or is it for some entirely different reason that I've neglected to mention?

Pic is related. Not only do I like it because of the Two-Is-Better-Than-One thing, but they do look damn cute together and I'm damn convinced they'd be fucked without each other.
>> Anonymous
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Because they look cute together and because Ryohei needs more love.
>> Anonymous
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For slash in general, I just like romantic interaction between two characters I like. My favorite characters also happen to frequently be male, so, well, there you go.

Usually I like certain pairings for their personality dynamics. I'm extremely fond of friendship pairings because the love/affection is so tangible and so fucking adorable. In other cases, I just like certain pairings because I find both characters to be incredibly hot.

Pic extremely related. Although, in this case, it's hotness+grandfatheru~dynamic+canon deepthroating that makes it so appealing.
>> Anonymous
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I ship slash pairings for the same reason I ship het ones - because the characters seem right for each other to me. Of course, when it comes to /y/ stuff, I loosen my standards for the sake of the sexy, but the pairings I actually ship are typically based on interactions in canon and my belief that their personalities work together.
>> Anonymous
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Usually, I ship a pairing (het/shonen/shojo-ai) because I feel the characters would go well together in a relationship, or the dynamics of said relationship would be hysterical.

Pic very related.
>> Anonymous
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I ship for the same reasons the rest of the thread ships, and also because there's alot of potential you can find in homosexual pairings that isn't in heterosexual pairings. e.g., social insecurity, I don't know where this is supposed to go, etc.
>> Anonymous
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Mostly for the whole, 'Awww, there so perfect for eachother' kinda thing. I'm such a sucker for that.

Then again, I also ship the odd parings that would never happen. Just cause it seems like they would be good together.
>> Anonymous
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I generally just throw characters together until I find a pairing I like. Canon be damned.

Though if I can find canon material to help "back up" my favorite pairs, that's a bonus.

Pic oh so very related.
>> Anonymous
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Because hetero couples bore me.
>> Anonymous
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I ship some het pairings, but the main issue for me with any sort of ship is a sort of equal footing in the pairing. Two men together have more of that than a man and a woman, with most ships. I love a ship with the possibility of arguments, and I find a little shoving hot if it comes to that. But most of the time when het pairings get violent, it's just some chick getting raped. Sure, the same happens with some slash, but I don't like that slash much either. For me, the issue of cultural and physical equality are necessary in a ship unless one character has a personality that can overpower that. Slash just has a way better chance of that.

A lot of things I don't "ship," I still like. But I only ship the ones that I could see actually being together. If two characters just look hot together, I like looking at it, but I don't ship it.
>> Anonymous
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I'm in it for the fap.
>> Llyander
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Because I can.
>> Anonymous
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I'm going to have to say that I enjoy the prospect of a certain pairing's possibility. Whether it seems like it could really happen or not, I like finding ways to tie two characters together. It doesn't necessarily have to be a super-loving relationship, either (although development over time may change that). I'm actually most fond of rivalships; for some reason, the character interactions behind them are interesting to watch play out, and in fanfics, the author has to come up with more creative ways to make it happen.

In all honesty, I enjoy fics/pics of say, Zoro and Sanji simply beating the shit out of eachother, but the twist of pairing them adds to the overall enjoyment. iow a different kind of 'battle' lol.
>> Anonymous
>>908286
tl;dr because of the spice of variety when you add the idea of sexual relations behind the scenes
>> Anonymous
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>>908281
>> Anonymous
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Since I've never really 'shipped' a het couple with PASSION, it's probably somewhat down to OPs point about taking out the female = double hotness. Also my favourite characters are always male, rarely do female characters interest me as much.

But mostly because I find their relationship interesting to the point where something about it fills my heart with joy to the point where I want to find/make fanworks about it and it becomes a ship.

Pic related.
>> Green Eyes
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I almost always look for some kind of physical dynamic/chemistry between a possible pairing. Not necessarily anything sexual, like whether the two characters could be secretly lusting over each other and willing to hop into bed for some crazy, exciting sex, but in a sense that the two characters have very energized and active personalities that clash in some way. This is pretty much why I am such a sucker for rival pairings, because there's just so much tension and energy and life between those two characters that I love seeing. There's something about it that seems so exciting and fun and almost child-like in a way. It reminds me of situations where a kid will tease someone to death because they ultimately really like them. There's always something unexpected around the corner too. They could be best buddies one minute, punching each other's lights out the next, and finally one will jump the other in a flurry of heated words and emotions and then oops, there go the other's pants.

Another factor that goes into my overall like of shipping two guys together is through expanding on the whole unpredictability of it all. The couple is very equalized and stable on both sides because you're dealing with two guys; no one person can have the upside in a single moment because they're MEN. They're not going to want to loose control of the situation because they'll get cocky and stubborn, and even in situations where I have a so-called designated top and bottom character, the bottom is sure to be fighting tooth and nail to try and get the advantage and get some type of role-reversal going (my rival shipping love is fed once more, since the last thing one of the guys wants is to let his "rival" get the best of him in bed of all places). I like het pairings, and I know that a woman certainly has the ability to be in control and "on top", but in the end it all seems the same to me. It gets kind of cliche and boring.
>> Green Eyes
>>908439
Apparently this is some kind of graded essay assignment. I'm rooting for at least a B-.
>> Anonymous
tl;dr i've got three reasons:

1.) because 10% of the world is gay, so why can't there be gay couples in fandom

2.) it's hot, fuck society

3.) usually produces more lulz moments
>> Anonymous
>>908439
I'm>>908286

Lol, you elaborated way more on what I was trying to say, thanks.
>> Anonymous
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I like relationships that are full of conflict and power play, where both characters are proud and independent but also drawn to each other. And I really don't like any kind of traditional relationship that wants to end in marriage and kids and family. There is het and ladyslash that does this for me (needs moar dominant women) but still I most often find this dynamic in slash.
>> Anonymous
Most of the time I won't ship unless I think they'd really work. That means I have a hunch that both characters are gay/bi, and that they could potentially like each other. If it doesn't fir those requirements, then they have to be really damn pretty for me to support them.

Good: RoyxEd
Bad: ItsukixKyon
Acceptable because of looks: CloudxSephiroth

There is a method to my madness.
>> Anonymous
I'm not a really big fan of that stuff, But I'm a BIG fan of good art. /cm/ provide me good art, So i want more and more !
I want to see nicely drawn picture, So i don't care if it's a guy or a girl , or if he's gay. I won't go as far as hardcore yaoi pic however. But maybe if it was very very very an art masterpiece.. lol
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>>908533
Forgot a pic.
I support this pairing in full.
>> Anonymous
>>908538
You're not speak proper english.
>> Anonymous
>>908543
I know , Because my original language is french. But you understood me
>> Llyander
>>908545

Je pense que ton anglais est mieux que ma français. Bien fait.
>> Green Eyes
>>908492
Haha, you're welcome. I actually had to cut down my original "speech" by a few sentences since it ended up too long to post. And once I finally got it to a good-enough length, I saw your similar response to the ship question and felt like an idiot for not just saying I felt the same way.
>> Anonymous
I have a big thing for neediness, dependency, and obsession in pairings, so stuff like Tsuna/Gokudera, Lohengramm/Kircheis, and Ranma/Ryoga is right up my alley. I actually like het and yuri a lot more than m/m, though.
>> Anonymous
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Legitimate couple, maybe.
But I don't know, it just kinda makes Tousen even hotter to have a giant furry thing attacking/raeping him. That makes me furry, right? Shit.
Oh well. Two of my favorite characters, plus they have a "best friend relationship", so I just plan on taking it to the next level.
... Shit.
>> Jentaro
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I got really bored of het(I blame fanfiction for that actually). Not to mention that girls are usually the most whiny and needy creatures ever. I'm not adverse to boyxgirl or girlxgirl pairings(I do really enjoy some of them), it's just that boyxboy pairings are more interesting these days.

The characters I ship sometimes don't make sense. Sometimes, it's just really random. Other times, it's because they just work so damn well together...(Pic related)
>> Anonymous
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Because I feel like it. Also, sometimes cannon gives off a few too many hints for it to not be believable.
>> Anonymous
I actually can name more het pairings I really love. Yuri doesn't really do much for me (not that there aren't pairings or yuri anime/manga I like, I love Strawberry Panic and a few others), and if I actually ship two guys together, it's because of the dynamic mostly, and the looks are just a bonus. There is an element of "two guys doing things are hotter than one doing nothing" there too.
>> Anonymous
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Because my ideas are awesome
>> Anonymous
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I say legitimate couple, even if Hoshino's totally not ever going to go there. There's just so much UST between them.

Most other slash pairings I'm on the fence about. But this one? I am behind it all the fucking way. I swear even Hoshino ships it!
>> Rei-chan
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Posting in an interesting thread

I tend to base my pairings solely on interactions, and if they interact in a way I like. Plus there has to be some level of attraction of course, because I'm vain like that lol But I tend to like putting my pairings in romantic relationships because I'm a huge sap and I won't deny it. I guess I'm into boy/boy pairings because it's different than real life, and I tend to like things that are out of the ordinary. I dunno, that's the only way I can put it I guess haha. It is also hot.

There are some pairings however, that I blame completely on fanart. Pic related...
>> Anonymous
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KakaIru is just a fun, sexy, hilarious pairing with a fuck-ton of excellent fanart, fanfiction and doujinshi for me to collect. Drama-free fandom is a plus.

I also like het parings though, and by 'het' I mean 'Rukia/Anyone', because she's awesome and not at all like the usual boring anime girl. A little while ago in the crack pairings thread anon mentioned their crack OTP was Tieria/Rukia and I CANNOT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
>> Sakuya-chan
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mmm more of a yuri person, but i do like some shounen ai...

L x Raito

Haku x Zabuza

mmm....thats all i can think of for now i guess.
>> Mintia
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I think they look cute together. I always thought their relationship was sad and somewhat tragic.

I'm also like GaignunxJr. and AlbedoxGaignun. I know this is stereotypically fangirlish, but I think the URTV trio is just so slashable.

I'm also fond of chaosxWilhelm and Cannanxchaos.
>> Mintia
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>>908967
>>I'm also like

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>> Anonymous
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Well, it's for most of the reasons you said, but the largest factor for me is because male slash pairings aren't as burdened with the top and bottom politics as het pairings. It's also more exciting to watch, simply because the relationship hasn't been run into the ground with cliches like het has.

Also. Two-Is-Better-Than-One. Pic so related it is incestuous; these boys were the ones who first convinced me.
>> Anonymous
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Well, my two favorite pairings are Itsuki/Kyon and Kaito/Len.

The first isn't really a legitimate pairing. Itsuki is sort of a question mark and most people think he's gay, and there are TINY hints of him being attracted to Kyon. He doesn't seem to invade anyone else's personal space. XD But I suppose I like the pairing because their personalities are really different and the chemistry between them is unusual. If we're to imagine that maybe, possibly, Kyon discovered he was bi, it creates some very amusing possible scenarios with the two.

The latter, Kaito and Len, aren't from an anime so they don't really have personalities, but I imagine that maybe Kaito would be like a big brother figure to Len and Len would be kinda bratty and like to annoy Kaito a bit, while still loving him. I guess it helps that I really adore both of their character designs so I love art of them together.
>> Anonymous
>>909006
Oh wait, I just remembered something...isn't Kaito actually Miku's big brother and Len and Rin are also their siblings? So I guess they really are brothers? Hahahahaha shows how observant I am.
>> Anonymous
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I'm fairly flexible in enjoying various pairings, but I don't really ship that many pairings. What few that I do, I do pretty strongly, and they're usually backed by near universal canon interpretations (yaoi or regular fandom alike). But I do require elements such as extremely strong emotional interaction, a thoroughly developed relationship, and behavior that crosses from "they could just be really good friends," to "I don't think it's my responsibility to discuss this."

Of course, I turn around and discuss it, but that's the fun part! Picture is a case in point. I don't know why, but I get irrationally irritated at people who insist Lockon/Allelujah or Allelujah/Tieria has strong canon evidence. Sure the pairings are enjoyable and sexy, but as far as canon goes...I don't see it at all. Maybe I just don't like to ship pairings that you have to argue minute details to defend; I like my proof in the writing, so to say.
>> Kagi
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>>909026
there are many pairings that can work- canon or not, or even if fangirls/boys dont care for it- its still good. i'm more of a yuri person--tho i love /cm/ for drawing references. then again- i love anime guys (lulu & itachi currently).

lelouch x zero is good (selfcest) but lelouch x suzaku is ok as well
>> Anonymous
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Of course there's the attraction factor, but I also like any sort of relationship that forms from stressful situations. War buddies, old friends, that sort of stuff. Any pairing where some kind of strife can bring them closer together, I am SO there.
>> Anonymous
>>909022
I'm not very active in the Vocaloid fandom, and only have a relatively active interest in the characters themselves, but I don't think they're all actually siblings. From what I know, Kaito and Meiko were the first two Vocaloid characters created, then there was Hatsune Miku, and Kagamine Rin and Len were the latest new additions. So, if you think about it metaphorically, Kaito and Meiko would be the elder "siblings", Miku would be the middle child of sorts, and Rin and Len would be the youngest "siblings".
>> Anonymous
1. For the lulz
2. Because i can
3. Because i like the pairing
4. Because the characters are hot together
5. Because they're perfect for each other.
Ex: WatarixYagami, BelpheborxHibari, ItsukixKyon, MattxGeovanni, IsaacxMiria.
>> Anonymous
>>909223
FFFFFUUUCK. Bad mental image on a couple of those.
...You wouldn't happen to have pics, would you?
>> Jentaro
>>909223
WatarixYagami?
WHY AM I FINDING MYSELF WANTING?
>> Anonymous
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>>908286
>>908439
This.

SimonxViral is one of my most shipped pairings, they have that rivalry thing, but they're also friends, which makes their relationship deeper. Also, they're fuck-hot together.

DoumekixWatanuki does this for me. Watanuki always acts like he hates Doumeki and all, but when things get serious, he really worries about him and is dependant of him, gets saved by him etc. The whole "I act like I don't like you at all even though I actually do but I'll never admit it"-thing that Watanuki does makes me really want to see them together.

And lastly, the two-is-better-than-one is one of the reasons I like male pairings. I do like het pairings too, but I don't ship them with the same passion as I do guy-pairings.
>> Anonymous
It starts out with a character I love and I kind of cycle through various pairings for that character, but once in a while, I find a pairing that I fucking love.
For example: Near and I really fell in love with StephenxNear because of their how cute their platonic relationship already was.
>> ridney
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I'm more character-oriented; I'll become infatuated with some fictional guy and his perceived hotness will overflow on to anyone, male or female. Viral paired with Yoko or Viral paired with Kamina are both appealing, (though Adiane is even hotter.) Het couples are usually boring, but that's the writers' fault more than theirs. There are exceptions like Issac x Miria or Neuro x Yako, but those are rare.

For strictly yaoi, bromance is totally hot, and I love it when the guys follow the physical rules of shounen-ai (pretty uke, bigger seme, etc) but their behavior doesn't. Hence Kiriwar/Gunzi and Mushishi/Hiruma appeal to me. (cranky blond fetish ohshi)
>> Anonymous
>>909026
>Sure the pairings are enjoyable and sexy, but as far as canon goes...I don't see it at all.

Have to agree with you there.
>> Anonymous
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canon shounen-ai couples are canon. And I like canon.

Pic very related.
>> Anonymous
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Eh, I've shipped people for every reason under the sun in the shipping spectrum. From 'hot x hot = YES. Wut? Their canon interaction is less than nonexistent? They aren't even from the same canon?? WHO CARES! HOT!' to all that deep introspective stuffs like chemistry, character dynamic, or just plain canon.

Like, for 10069? I probably just want to see someone totally and completely screw Mukuro over for once. I want to see him unquestionably be the bitch, period. Nobody fit the bill until Byakuran came on the scene. And it's HOT. Think of all the dub-con/hate-sex potential.
>> Doyoubiteyourthumbatmesir?
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I think I first boarded the slash bandwagon when I noticed how little attention the heroes and rivals of typical shonen anime paid to their "girlfriends" and how much time they spent obsessing over their male rivals/enemies (think Scryed). Because so much of these stories are about the conflicts between two competing males, and as a result their characters and back-stories tend to be well developed, thus making the prospect of love/hate/sex between them rather interesting. The key word here is "conflict."

Case in point: I just finished the first Phoenix Wright game and guess which pair made the top of my BL list? Don't get me wrong, PW has some pretty kickass female characters, but Edgeworth stole the show. Edgey's angst and Phoenix's concern for him were made all the more wonderful by the fact that as prosecutor and defense attorney they could never be a true "team." "Forbidden love" and all that jazz. And to top it all off, what's the last piece of evidence you present in that game? I love those "You're not alone, I need you!" moments. For me, that list was the near BL slash equivalent of Lady and the Tramp's spaghetti kiss. Lawyer moe, go figure.

Sorry bout the long giddy post /cm/, but Obama won the democratic nomination a few hours ago and I'm still quite high. G'night.
>> Anonymous
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A while back I couldn't get into slash. I thought the idea of two boys together was gross as in "why would anyone want to do that/find that hot." Then I found a fanfiction site by the phenomenal Sandy Youko. She wrote some of the best erotic fiction I've ever read in my entire life. I fell in love with the Hiei x Kurama pair instantly and it consequently opened my eyes to the world of yaoi.

As for why I ship what I ship, it usually falls under the catergory of hot x hot= fucking hot (and hot fucking)

Sorry for the deviantfail pic, only decent Kurama x Hiei picture I could find.
>> Anonymous
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For me, hotness isn't the bread and butter, it's just a bonus. I, also, need the characters to have some kind of emotional attachment to each other. I love rival pairings, but only the ones where there is deep emotional involvement between them and not just empty squabbling. Kanda/Allen, for instance, bugs me, but I love Zoro/Sanji and even Naruto/Sasuke. Even Gokudera/Yamamoto bores me, because damn, Gokudera BREATHES Tsuna, and the 8059 interaction in canon seems tiny and shallow to me compared to the trust and caring that develops between those two. Lavi/Allen, Sanzo/Goku, Katsura/Gintoki; I'll take a devotion/warm friendship pairing over hot hatesex/rivalsex any day.

Also, although I'm not real picky about everybody needing to be equals in a relationship and stuff, I generally dislike pairings in which characters are locked into dominant/submissive roles with no possibility of switching. I can only enjoy onesided/noncon stuff if it's heavily supported by canon, like Mukuro x Hibari or Gin x Kira.

But for me, the absolute most important factor is HUMOR. If there's nothing to laugh about, I'm just not interested. I mean, I can get into a tragic pairing here and there if it's done really well; reallyreallygood quality art or writing can make up for needing tissues. But I need some funny moments, some inherent absurdity, something between the two guys that isn't strictly or traditionally romantic.
>> Anonymous
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For me, shipping starts when I notice the spark in two characters' canon interaction. I don't ship characters just because they are "hot" but one suggestive scene is enough to make a OTP. Usually I like a bunch of different pairings, though, often including the same characters in various combinations, based on different parts of the original story.

Besides, I like to ship crack for the crack.
>> Anonymous
bump
>> Anonymous
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For me it's always been three things to get me into a pairing:

1. Cute art work
2. Good fanfiction
3. Moments in the media

Three doesn't always have to happen, but once I see an adorable picture or a really good fanfic, I just feel compelled to find more and, after a while, I fall in love with it.

KxHiro for instance, I never really thought about it until Grunhilda's "Slide Away" fic

Plus Murakami just makes it hot
>> Anonymous
Shipping for me has to make sense. Looks don't matter as much, but canon does. I prefer to keep canon the way it is. Working with canon is easier than working against or without it. If a couple does not make sense or goes too much against canon, I can't like it. Canon can be interpreted different ways, though. Which is why discussions can get interesting.

Now, every now and then, I like a couple that does not make much sense, but I think would be cute or funny. However, that's more of a crack pairing feeling than a serious pairing.
>> Anonymous
>>911286
Oh yes. good fanfiction is a must for some series.
>> Anonymous
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I love the subtle pairings. One-sided undying love, or just little hints here and there. It get annoying and obvious when there are too many hints. I'm also a real sucker for some crack pairings and shipping couples from American cartoons.

Pic very related.
>> Anonymous
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>>912634
Seconding both the reasoning and the ship.
>> Anonymous
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>>912634
>>912638
Thirding this.
>> Anonymous
I ship what I ship because I like it. When I first came across slash, we just kind of clicked, I guess.

It doesn't matter if its canon for me, though I've found that quite a few of my favorites are canon. Looks are always important, and they have to look cute together. I'm more into the cutesy stuff than hardcore, too.
>> Anonymous
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>>912672

Oops, forgot a pic.
>> Anonymous
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This.
>> Anonymous
'cause i's a perv
>> Anonymous
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....yeahhhhhhh
>> Anonymous
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Some I crack ship 'cause they're hot.. but ssh, let's not tell that to everyone.

If I ship something seriously, it has to have some base to it. Some emotional attachment, they have to make sense. I can't do it seriously if it's just for the fact "but it's cuuuute omg and it's so canon!" .. no.

Included is a picture of my guilty pleasure, since most of the time they are just hitting each other and otherwise, I don't like shipping Hibari to anyone.

>>910972
Agreed with nearly everything you said.
>> Anonymous
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>>910972
agreed too. This pairing is something, what I usually like: they're equal, no bottom/top-fighting, lots of funny moments and dialog between them is hilarious. Their realtionship seems warm and very funny.
>> Anonymous
>>908155
I SHIP BECAUSE I CARE! >D

Legit couple reason
>> Anonymous
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Most of the time, I ship the BL parings that I do because it's my two favorites and they look good together (and, more often, because I either don't like the girls they get paired with or I've paired the girls off with each other already). Sometimes there's logic behind it, and sometimes it's crack logic (ex; Aang and Zuko are gay for each other because of the Dancing Dragon), and sometimes it starts with spite for another paring (1x2x1 is so overdone that it kills me, therefore I started reading 2x5x2 instead).

Mostly it's the lesbian principle reversed, though, I think.
>> Anonymous
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What' s the name od the series?
>>908257
>> Anonymous
>>913495
That sounds like vast amounts of DO WANT. Who are these people?
>> Anonymous
>>913495
Who are they? They sound like the happy-pills I've been searching for.
>> Anonymous
>>913691
TJ and Amal. I kinda.. lost the link to the comic.. thingy.
>> Anonymous
i ship OTPs. I really dont see it anything sexual; however, there are just some characters that seem to have a man-crush on. the interaction is what draws me to a pairing.
>> Anonymous
>>914154
Attempt to find it, please. They look so HAPPY.
>> Anonymous
I think I'm mostly into slash because I like seeing the guys I like on the bottom, and it's almost impossible to find het fics that don't focus on the girl and her being completely overcome etc. etc.
Also, as>>910871said, the guys in anime really spend a _ton_ of time focusing on each other, and not on their love interest. So their interactions and backgrounds are almost always more interesting than their thing that they supposedly have with whatever chick.
>> Anonymous
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>>914428
Hail, fellow lover of equal relationships! Googling "TJ Amal" results in http://big-big-truck.com/tja/.
>> Anonymous
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1)Because is hawt.
2)Because says "screw up the damn society".
3)Because they have a freaking awesome bond.
4)Because I want to.
>> Anonymous
>>916169
I FUCKING LOVE THIS THING
>> Anonymous
>>916300
Me too! I read all that's there, and I want mooooooore.
>> Anonymous
>>916332
If you've got a livejournal and you're not like...creepy or whatever, you might try to friend her there to get access to everything that doesn't get put on the site because it's NSFW/spoilery.