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gundam 00: setsuna Anonymous
I may as well ask other fangirls and not get muddled up in other boards. speak freely. Who actually likes this guy and why?

For me I think everyone else in his series is more interesting... Setsuna has too many sides that just feel kind of shallow, and he's such a confused character himself it's hard to know which side is safe to like about him (his character can change so abruptly)

By himself he just comes off as an immature baby who tries to act tough and detached.. despite his reason for being in CB stems from personal issues...He doesn't like help from people or others watching over him so it conflicts with the "oh poor baby, I want to protect him" vibe you get because of his backstory flashbacks... and he is pretty capable by himself because of bluegundam hax.

but he has some interesting dynamics when he's with other people... Like Ali or Marina or even..(though not saji, imo)

what do you think, /cm/? is he a good lead?
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and to be more to the point, it doesn't feel like this series is "setsuna's story" so he doesn't feel like a hero-type at all.

maybe thats what the writers were going for. but it's odd. Even Wing felt like it was "heero's story"
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he is kind of cute though... in the DON'T TOUCH ME kind of way.
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I think he's interesting enough, but doesn't grab my attention like the other characters.

There was a discussion in /m/ about him and Kurdish taboos (Such as "Don't wear blue, it's Holy" and "Don't pour water on the ground.") and it seems like they did their homework. I think he'll get more interesting as the series goes on, but for now I'm all about Hallelujah. Because psychotic alter egos made me happy.
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This is absolutely ridiculous, but I never liked Setsuna because his voice is unnervingly deep and he looks too much like Ritsuka. Also, he always struck me as a bit on the bland side. The fact that he's Kurdish really fascinates me, though, being a whitefag like myself.

I really love the other three, though. Especially Tieria. in b4 tl;dr
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>>688626
when he tried to "play innocent" the one time Graham and Billy found him I was laughing my ass off.

so not convincing.

agree on the bland part.
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OH HAY IT'S RITSUKA. ONLY HE GOT FUCKED.
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>>688636
oh anon, do you know how true this statement really seems?

serious BAD TOUCH memories with this cat.
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>>688636

Exactly.
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He's some special kind of crazy or stupid, but I like him. I think I like him.

>>688638
it's so wrong but... so right...
what happen to him.. poor thing.
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>>688636
>>688638
>>688639
HERE KITTY KITTY!
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>>688646
I LOVE YOU, SORAN!


lolololololol
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>>688503
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>>688507
I agree. I don't think it's right to say that Setsuna is the center of the story. Sure, he gets the most screentime(because someone has to), but in terms of character development, he's just on par with the other characters. I get the feeling more than we're supposed to be focusing on CB as a whole as the "leads" rather than seeing the story unfold through the eyes of just Setsuna?
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>>688631
Wierdly, this was the scene actually tipped me over from "kinda interested in" to "really fond of" where Setsuna's concerned. I wasn't sure quite what to think of him before that, since they'd really downplayed his personality. The fact that he was manipulative enough to try to pull that with Graham made it seem more like he's bland because that's the impression he likes to give, rather than there just being nothing there. Since that scene they seem to be developing him more--it just felt like it was meant to be a revelation in terms of his actual personality.
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I think it's just that he got a raw deal being in a show with a two-for-the-price-of-one psycho, a bitchy robotrap and Lockon, and that's not even counting the aces. With practically every character in the series having an interesting quirk, it's easy for one or two characters to be less popular when they might fare better in other situations.
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>>688771
oh WOW. hahaha. I never really watched or got into loveless and didn't get what all the criticism was about... but now I can't unsee it!!

for me it was this scene where he suddenly became... not interesting, but at least understandable. First because he lost.. and then, well, it just felt like "oh, now I know what he's really after." in plain language. I was kinda teary eyed...
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I love Setsuna. He has the most horrifying background in the entire show, but that's made him into an idealist, rather than the emo little bitch I expected him to be. He has a very complicated relationship with God. He also has a strong desire to redeem himself and become a savior for others like him, but that desire isn't born of hubris like Patrick's.

I think he's the deepest character in the show, even if it doesn't revolve around him. Go, Setsuna!
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>>688921
WORD.

Totally agreed, anon. I really like Setsuna.

I love the fact that the boy is seriously, seriously batshit crazy..but they keep it subtle. There's just lots of tiny little hints that show how unhinged he is, and occasionally the other characters notice, and have these great WTF reactions. I like that.

I think one of my favorite scenes was when Tieria was threatening Setsuna with a gun and Setsuna's reaction was this wonderfully nutty "I won't leave. I WON'T LEAVE MY EXIA. I AM A GUNDAM MEISTER" and Lockon and Teria are both kind of going WTF.
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>>688503

I actually kind of like Saji. I think his blaring, ridiculously obvious gayness is kind of endearing. HI THERE HOT DARK-SKINNED HANDSOME NEIGHBOR I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME FOOD-- etc.
Louise is the one I loathe.

I kind of wish Saji would get to ride Setsuna, just because Saji's so pathetic. Also it would be great to have Louise walk in on them, and finally gb2Spain.
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>>688958potato face.

I can't unsee it.
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>>688921
Your ideas intrigue me, anon, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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>>688503
I've already said why I like Setsuna, but let me add something else:

We got to watch him doing nicely-animated, sexy situps. I love Sunrise forever, for that. But I'm an animation fag so I get off over little visual things like that.

Also, he seems to have a mean, mischievous streak to him..in other words, he'd be a bitch if he cared enough about other people to bitch.
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>>689367We got to watch him doing nicely-animated, sexy situps.

I hate him and even I have to admit. That scene was kinda hot.
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Setsuna is also awesome because he's not automatically a l33t haxx pilot like most Gundam protagonists (HI, HEERO YUY AND JESUS YAMOTO). He's talented, but he's still a sixteen year-old kid with more experience fighting on the ground than for an MS, and he has to work hard to achieve his dream of being a great pilot who can save everyone. I'd rather watch that than someone who almost always pwns the opposition.

Exia's close-range sword fighting is the most interesting to watch of all the Meister Gundams, and I respect that they gave him a specialized suit with definite weaknesses instead of the usual all-rounder that goes to the hero.
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>>689544
Heroes usually do get the all-rounder or melee, but I agree on the first bit about Setsuna. his "becoming gundam" thing finally changes Gundam to being a massive hack machine of "might makes right" to something more empathetic.

He just wants to make a difference...

still, I don't feel like he's the main lead either, like other anons have said it isn't primarily his story we're watching. even though he does have the Blue one.

>>688821
I almost cried too..
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>>689605

I just love the 'becoming gundam' thing because...god. Kid is so messed up. He wants to stop being human and, depending on how you read it, either become a machine because you can't hurt a machine...or because machines aren't weak and don't fail like human beings do.
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>>689725

I'm pretty sure when he says "become a gundam" he doesn't refer to the machine itself, but rather like the Gundam that saved him when he was a kid (In the intro of Episode 1). He wants to be the guy. The guy that flies into the scene and saves the peoples.
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>>689780
That, or God. Since.. Y'know.

>>689725
is more like Tieria stint.
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>>688638
I just popped in /y/.. there is some serious BAD TOUCH going on in there with setsuna.
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>>689794

brb going to /y/
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>>689794

I wouldn't be surprised if Ali were the reason why Setsuna hates being touched so much. I doubt they'd ever come out and say it, but I can always enjoy the subtext, right?
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>>689806
Apparently Nena was Setsuna's first kiss. So... either Ali raped him without kissing him (possible?) or 00 isn't going there.
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>>689866
was that official "first kiss" revelation? as in episode previews in newtype... or wasn't that just from the leaked spoilers/rumors?
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>>689866

I'd say just go with the subtext. It's pretty clear that he has issues with being touched (grabbed/held?), and usually those kind of issues stem from SOME sort of abuse.

Sexual abuse is just highly common, and considering how pretty Setsuna is, the way Ali behaves, and the circumstances, I'd say Highly Likely. (Favorite Ali moment. When Setsuna gets out of his gundam and he's like "WTF this guy is retarded he's getting out of his cockpi---with a body like that it's gotta be a kid---OKAY TOTALLY GETTING OUT OF MY COCKPIT NOW THIS JUST GOT FUN XD XD XD XD")

And yeah. Ali sexually abusing Setsuna doesn't have to have anything to do with kissing. Heck, it doesn't have to have anything to do with tab A goes into slot B etc. A guy like Ali could screw a kid up plenty just using his hands.
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>>689946
I doubt we'll ever get anything more than subtext. No way would Sunrise explicitly throw in "OH YEAH. CHILD MOLESTING RAPE" with their Gundams.
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>>689946
Allelujah seems more like a sexual abuse victim than Setsuna, what with the split personality and all that.
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>>690266
Don't think toooo highly of sunrise and kiddy friendly. Am I the only one who's seen Chouja Raideen?
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>>690499
But Gundam is, like, their bread and butter. The show just isn't THAT dark.

>>690469
If this wasn't /cm/, I'd dig up the Hallelujah/Jessica/Allelujah/Niki comic.
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>>690469
But Hallelujah only exists because of researchers tampering with Allelujah's brainwaves. I doubt they would have molested one of their research subjects, if only because it would have screwed up the results.
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I've liked Setsuna from day one, maybe because I'm a sympathizer (LOL4CHANWUT).

I also thought Graham was the shizz and that Tieria was an android since episode one, so I have to be doing SOMETHING right.
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>But Gundam is, like, their bread and butter. The show just isn't THAT dark
Oh, honey. shit's weak compared to back in the day.

>>690469
>>690600
Yeah, they already pretty much explained H/A thing because of the experimentation, drugs, etc. Sexual abuse would most likely be Setsuna.

Though it wouldn't necessarily have to be sexual, but the incessant DON'T TOUCH ME and other PTSD shit he pulls does kind of hint to that and more.

Poor baby. But at least he didn't clear a minefield.
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>>690691

THIS IS A GOOD THREAD. AND THIS IS A GOOD POST.

Sorry, I've just recently had to put up with so much Internet Hate Machine in other boards on 4chan....it's so nice to see a great conversation, nice pics, and everybody getting along. You all rock, anon.

I'm actually a drawfag, and I'm so sad that I don't have any more art of Setsuna that I can contribute to this thread, except this dorky doodle I did. (>>688937is mine)

When I have more, I promise I'll post it in /cm/ or in /y/ (wherever it's appropriate), because of how much you rock, anon.
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>>690469
Not really. Allelujah's split-personality was already explained by the brain-wave alteration and other experimentation done to him. But when Allelujah is just well...himself, he seems like a normal(if not shy) guy. He doesn't have a huge aversion to physical contact, nor anything else that might suggest sexual abuse that hasn't already been accounted for through the experimentation. :/
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thread lacks more delicious jailbait jihad hate machine.
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To be very honest, Setsuna wouldn't seem half as interesting (or having potential to be interesting) if it weren't for his red scarf. Without it, like when he wears that blue sweater thing, his atmosphere changes a lot.

plus it's fabulous and the mark of other great pilots.
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>>690867

Very true. It's a clever trick of character design - the red scarf is kind of their way of saying 'hey! Look over here! There's more to this guy than you'd think!'

>>690820

And anons? If you want that porn, give a holla.
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>>690884
HOLLA.

put it in /y/
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Someone going "Don't touch me" is not a sign of sexual abuse. If some random guy or girl ran up and grabbed you I'm pretty sure you would go "Don't touch me!" regardless of whether or not you've been sexually abused.

>>690691
The "PTSD shit" is because he was a kid soldier. That whole getting shot at and almost being killed thing is what caused PTSD.

>>690600
I thought they said the research (as in the other stuff they did and not just messing around with his brain waves)caused him to create a split personality?

And if you can believe that some guy in the middle of a war would take time to molest some random kid, I'm sure it's not that hard to believe that some random scientist would get a little too touchy-feely with his experiment.
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>>691063

Not really, it would fuck up the results of said experiment. Also - war = not so many wimminz around.

IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN YOU'D THINK.
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>>691063
It's not like we don't have precedent for this. Look at Gauron and Sousuke.
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>>691066
Exactly how would that mess up research? I doubt they were that worried about screwing with results, seeing as how they just disposed their failed experiments anyway. The research they did could qualify as sexual abuse.

> war = not so many wimminz around.

So because there aren't many women around that means a guy will just start raping kids?

Poor fangirls, your AlixSetsuna rape porn won't be canon no matter how much you rape psychology.
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>>691151
Great, you're ruining the thread.
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>>691151
>HAY GUYS I'M FLAMING THIS THREAD BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPINIONS

Grow up and gb2/school/.
Continuing on with Jihad.
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I love Setsuna's red scarf.

>>691151
The abuse would mess up research, as it affect their mind. The brain can be seen as one huge coping mechanism, so results that may have derived from the experiments may have also derived from such abuse.

It is more plausible with Setsuna, as he was of a group of ten year olds that were being trained to be Jihadists. despite this, though, he seems emotionally blank and has no faith in God. (Except for worshipping Gundams,) He also has a hatred of Ali that seems like more than "this guy beat me at knife-fights."

Not saying that Ritsuna-abuse is canon, just that it is more plausible. For all we know, he could be screwed up from how sacrilegious Ali is, despite teaching them to fight for God or whatever.

tl;dr: GB2/Psychology and look at how much they value results of experimentation.

Polite sage for BLOC O TEXT.