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Mary Sues Rhythm
In before not being a troll. Why is it that so many people who make Death Note mary Sues(or Mary Sues in general) feel the need to convert Light from his "evil" ways? I mean, if you supposedly "loved" this character why would you want to change the core principals of his character?

Can someone explain this to me? I really want to know why Sue-authors like to take canon characters out of character to the sickening extends they do. What drives them? I never could get a good explanation from anyone.

PS-ITT any canon or non-canon Mary Sues and/or why they are such.
>> Anonymous
The goal of all Sues is to be the ultimate hero for the author's mental-masturbatory reasons. When they write these characters, they're essentially whipping a dick out inside of their own heads, and jerking at it furiously.

To do so satisfactorly, they will fuck up whoever and whatever they have to, and they don't let things like "canon" and "good characterization" stand in their path. To the average Sue author, those are not points of good writing, but obsticles to their Happy Ending.

See also: most of Naruto and Inu Yasha fanwork, Rurouni Kenshin, and the entire run of Static Shock.
>> Rhythm
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>>712826
1) I've never heard it put so well. It really is like being so self-absorbed that you don't care about the character. Sounds like it's just an excuse to fufill sick fantasies and stroke their ego.
2) When you say "the entire run of Static Shock" do you mean the series or all fanfictiondom?
3) Putting up this one I stumbled onto recently because of content and the description-> http://mingyi.deviantart.com/art/Conan-VS-Mary-Sue-THE-HORROR-10069991 I never realized HOW difficult it would be to write in a fancharacter for this series. There's probably so many sue-authors screwing up this series.
>> Anonymous
Loneliness and hormones are a dangerous mix. The moment something attractive comes along, real or otherwise, they'll cling to it and never let go. And a lot of the time, that makes them crazy.

But not all Sues are bad. Just a large percent of them. There are a few diamonds in the rough.
>> Anonymous
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I think alot of the problem with Mary Sues is that people don't put alot of thought into them. Or they put SO much thought into them that they have a million different abilities and personalities.

They can do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING and they look and act totally out of place for the storyline. EVERYONE has to move around to accommodate her in their world. Going to show a series of pictures about "You Might Be A Mary Sue If..." Because I think these are all really logical points.
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>>713678
Holy shit, you just described this thing.
>> Anonymous
I've known too many girls who fuck up their own lives dating jerks. The answer is simple. Girls have a maternal drive to "fix" men.

It's just the idea that if a girl tries hard enough even the worst of men will turn good for their sake and that makes them all gushy for worthless abusing psychopaths.

Kodocha is the perfect example of this at work.
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>>713681

1) This is so true. That also reminds me of this book I read a few years ago "10 stupid things women do to mess up their lives". Great book. And one of them is ALL ABOUT how women love the "bad boy" type and how they try to fix them. Then only to realize it doesn't work like that.
2) Kodocha's one of my fave shoujou series of all time but I do see your point.

PS-4chan wouldn't let me upload before for some reason. But it seems to work now.
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>>713680
I've been hearing about this title alot lately. I keep hearing that it's either hard to write fanfiction for it and that the main character is a major self-insert of the author.

But I haven't read it so I can't totally confirm or deny this.
>> Anonymous
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Last one of this series. I don't agree with the last two all that much but I TOTALLY agree with the first 2.

Oh, and just as a bonus showing off the Original Fiction Mary-Sue Litmus Test. Personally I think it's too generic to do proper scoring. Even the TEST itself says you can score really high and not be a Mary Sue. I always believe series specific tests are the answer.->http://www.onlyfiction.net/marysue.html
>> Anonymous
>>713680
FUCKING SIGNED
>> Anonymous
You know, my girlfriend has a thing where she loves to make characters for series she likes. Me, not so much, because I like to make something that doesn't really affect the story all that much.

Some of them do follow a very small amount of Sue qualities, which I'm always willing to point out in case she didn't notice. And yes, she does have them fall in love with characters she likes, but it's at often times, a very long and, most of time, painful process, depending on what kind of character it is. But she likes to expand on a character's history to...reasonable means. But she always makes sure that the character is believeable and that the relationships work out in a manner that fits both characters. I just wish she wouldn't always work on love stories.

Is this good, /c/?
>> Anonymous
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You know what I love making, /c/? Pudding.
>> Rhythm
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>>713816
OP here again. Thanking everyone for all the comments thus far. It sounds like you and your GF respect the balance of characterization. I'm so glad.
>>713678
Anon forgot this one.

PS-I was kind of interested about the talk of the Twilight series and found these links.
http://community.livejournal.com/sasha_birch/9226.html
http://www.amazon.com/Unhappy-Breaking-Dawn-burn-it-RETURN/forum/Fx1GAA6GYWX8459/TxJ0PLIBGHDLU5/1/re
f=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=031606792X
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/08/did_breaking_dawn_ruin_the_twi.html
>> Rhythm
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Oh, and just posting this up because of the horrors of Inu Yasha Mary Suedom I have seen over the years. It really does rank up there.
>> Anonymous
>>713938
>>713733
If you're a masochist, here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/?bwpiukzhnqb
>> Anonymous
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I still think Harry Potter Mary sues are the worse.
>> Anonymous
>>713733
It's a huge Mary Sue series. The author describes on her website exactly what the character looks like down to a tee and it resembles her so much.

Also the last book has the scariest pregnancy/birth scene ever. It makes Rosemary's Baby look like a romantic comedy.
>> Anonymous
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I'll confess I made up a Mary Sue when I was a stupid middle schooler, but at least I kept all the stories in my head.

>>714175
Haha oh wow, I remember reading that. Comedy gold.
>> Anonymous
Who diddnt make up mary sues in thier head when they were a kid?
>> Anonymous
>>714175
I just raged so hard I think I burst a blood vessel.
>> Rii
>>714175
I want to punch this person

sure back in 8th grade I did marysue shit, I think most fangirls do, but now it makes me rage....like when I went on DA to look up world ends with you art- almost the entire 1st page as marysue characters
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>>714429
You should read the rest of it. Pure gold, I assure you.
>> Anonymous
>>714441
Pfffffffffffffhahaha, Edward's face in the third panel...
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>>712763

See picture.

I hate girls like that.
>> Anonymous
>>714175
Oh fuck, I just realized her name is bloodyrists. XXXbloodyrists666XXX. This has got to be fake.
>> Anonymous
>>712826

You know what i think is worse? When fangirls turn the OFFICIAL CHARACTERS into their own mary sues/gary stus. Same concept, just not their own character.
>> Anonymous
>>714441
Oh god, you're right. Can't... stop... laughing...
>> Anonymous
lol, this thread was a good read. I have a question for you guys. Can villians be mary sues, or are they exempt? Kind of like sephiroth? He's got wings. (sort of) Is a hybrid of a god. Is super powerful at what he does...

Of course, I'm talking about villians who truly are villians, people who were bad and converted to good, later, are of mary sues.
>> Anonymous
>>714479
I think so. I imagine it'd go something like: "He hated all of humanity, and was totally committed to destroying them! So he went out in his long black trenchcoat with skull buttons and his long silvery hair blowing in the wind, and he used his mind-power to destroy all of Gondor."
>> Anonymous
How to identify a Mary-Sue...

Does the character in question act like any of the characters in Eragon? If so, then you have a Mary-Sue.
>> Anonymous
>>714479
There are different subtypes of Sue's (according to tvtropes), and Sephiroth fits the bill.
>> Anonymous
>>714175

How old is she, 6?

Anyhow, i went on one bleach (yah blame me) rp forum and decided to roleplay a little (didn't made my character mary sue at all, she had her own weaknes, her name is decent and so on) and joined in play. Soon I encountered a mary sue (omg, demon powerz, 4th seat has bankai, all gloomy her husband died she's so dark, demonic and shits) and i decided to have a fight with her, right? But nooo, her bankai is sooo powerfull like a mist, killez your senses, bo booo, let's scream already bankai,) My char had only shikai, but she had holes in all her charachter. After she noticed that I found her weakness ( I mean, mist is able to be blown, right?) she said something like (boohoo, you're not decen't to have a fight with me, u re weak and shits, i'll go fight taicho-sama lolololol), and went away somewere. That was so funny I stoppd visiting that forum. AT ALL.
>> Rhythm
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>>714479
>>714481

I have been looking into it and it seems to be what I can tell more of a trend in comic book fandoms to have an abundance of Sue-Villains(I'm sure it happens in anime and videogames too).

I would guess it involves making the heroes ALWAYS look like idiots. Or ALWAYS beating the heroes or seducing any goodguy or something.

Since any fancharacter can be screwed up I guess there does need to be subtypes of Sues.
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>>714580
People who do stuff like that seriously need to be kicked out of the IFF/RP. The problem especially with bigger forumboards is this stupid stuff can be hard to police when one idiot starts posting stupid stuff like this.

It's because of stuff like that that I enjoyed when one forumboard I went to did a thread seperate from the main story to put rules AND discuss when the plot is messed up by a godmoding sue writer. I SO hate when people do this.

PS-Panel 4 wins it for me.
>> Anonymous
So, I guess Inuyasha is /c/'s Sonic the Hedgehog?
>> Anonymous
>>714686
I don't understand the reference, what does Sonic have to do with anything?
>> Anonymous
>>714691
Anonymous is a furry obviously.
>> Anonymous
>>714686
In a way, yes. Furry nonsense included. Thank goodness the series ended.
>>714691
Is just as ridden with "ORIGINAL CHARACTER, DO NOT STEAL" recolours/traces/you name it, Mary Sue fanfics, furfaggotry, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>714559
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Except the dwarves. They actually have... you know... flaws. But I know I'll end up buying the third one. ;_;

And not every character that has a shred of dignity can be a Mary Sue. Characters are representations of ideas, so petty flaws that rack up would be trivial, they have to have big flaws and either overcome them or not.

Mary Sue = Author Surrogate
>> Anonymous
>>713822
OH MY GOD!
IS THAT SOME "MANOS; THE HANDS OF FATE"!?
>> Anonymous
>>714691
It's more a /v/ thing. Thousands of ronery fangirls across the world constantly make original characters and treat themselves as literary gods. The king of all of these being the great Christian Weston Chandler.
>> Anonymous
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3879551/1/Twila_The_Girl_Who_Waz_In_Luv_With_A_Vampyre/

And you thought Twilight was bad enough, people have to make even worse fanfiction of it.
>> Anonymous
>>713822
holy hell awesome
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>>715083
As if it was bad enough being a fanfiction itself.
>> Rhythm
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>>715083
That was truly painful to read. To think people put *lol* in the actual SPEAKING PARTS! Not to mention the basic spelling errors.
>> bump Anonymous
>>714441
moar twilight mary sue.its to funny & painful to read.
>> Anonymous
>>715083
...That HAS to be a joke, right...?
>> That Fucking Guy with the Clannad Threads
>>715686

Welcome to the current generation, we'll be taking your hope for humanity now.

>>717409

There is currently one chapter, and only one chapter, that was written by some roving Anon after he hacked the account. He states which one it is in the preamble before getting into the chapter itself, and the hilarious thing is, it's got better grammar, spelling, and sequencing of events. You can *almost* call it proper writing, if not for the dozen or so chapters preceding it.
>> Anonymous
>>714369

I can honestly say I never had any Mary Sue characters. I still use some characters I came up with in seventh grade.
>> Anonymous
Last semester I was in a screenwriting class at school where we had to review each other's work. Lots of Sues, lots of opening scenes with highschoolers waking up.

I just ran my main character through the Mary Sue Litmus Test and scored 14 (out of a possible 70+). I'm proud of that and that's why I'm bragging.
>> Anonymous
>>717543
I had to modify mine. I make them do the opposite of whatever I would do in a similar situation. Hilarious results ensued.
>> Anonymous
Hey, /c/. This is the dude who was talking about him and his girlfriend making characters. Thought I'd share an example of how interesting they can be.

One character she made for a series she likes (not saying which, patent pending) has a story that starts with her falling in love with her brother, and even almost tricks him into sleeping with her. And let's not get started about what happens afterward.

What do you think?
>> Anonymous
>>714441
Oh god, I love the Twilight series (BECAUSE I AM A FUCKING FAGGOT ;___;) but I tend to love the parodies of it even moreso.

I..admittedly have had a few characters (oh god I rp D:), a few of them were female, but if by some chance they got paired up with some guy, I never really felt a need to 'fix' him, so my character didn't and just went along with whatever the hell he did.

It's just 12-15 year old girls, honestly. They just got into anime and tend to obsess over it. When I first got into it, I was fucking everywhere, saying how cool it was and who I loved.
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>>717781
Oh lol that thing? mine got a 10 (so i guess she was boring). 14 is really ideal though, its a very useful test I believe.
>> Anonymous
>>718619
I can't look at you anymore.

>>719374
Wtf is this shit?
>> Anonymous
>>712763
I'm a male, and I admit I sometimes daydream a self-insert, but I:
A: Try to do it in a way that wouldn't drastically affect the story (if at all)
B: I don't write it down and make others read it.

Though I've actually imagined a LOT of Deathnote scenarios. Mostly because seeing Light's smug face makes me want to smack it right off.
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>>713680
THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST

All four books are disgustingly bad.
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>>718619
>Oh god, I love the Twilight series

You are dead to us
>> Anonymous
>>719391
confusion web.
>> Anonymous
I'm a ronery female anon, and I have to admit that I daydream canon characters into all kinds of situations...but I try to keep them in character, and any characters I dream up are certainly not going to split up my favorite pairings. They're usually offspring, as Freudian as that sounds.

Despite these attempts to avoid Sue-dom, am I ever going to inflict these daydreams upon the world? Hell fucking no.
>> Anonymous
>>719374
I...I don't get it. Especially since "Hoenhaim" appears to be married to a male and several of these people appear to have reproduced by parthenogenesis.
>> Anonymous
>>719479
The marriage between males mislabeled as "wives" seems to be recurrent in the tree.
>> Anonymous
>>712763
I got a five, but I used a particularly flawed character of mine and she's not in any way magical or special, so that really takes your score down.
>> Aro !!tth/tv+hsYe
>>719522
I got -2 because my character was a wimp who never gets anywhere and was very, very secondary.
>> Anonymous
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basically all hell breaks lose when mary sues are in charge,but not in a fun way.