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What's the difference... Rhythm
...Between a lolicon(someone w/ the "Lolita Complex") and a pedophile? I was trying to explain it to someone and I ended up making them sound like the same thing...So could 4chan clarify?
>> Anonymous
a lolita complex is a term ussually used to describe males who find females of around the ages 10 to 14 hot while a pedophile likes children around the age of 3 to 8
>> Uzumaki
Age of the person being fixated upon. Pedophile has actually become a sort of catch-all term for those who are sexually attracted to those under the age of majority, but it means to be attracted to pre-pubescent children. Ephebephile is someone who is attracted to somewhat older youth (i.e. Mark Foley and realistically, probably most people). Lolicon is used as a synonym for pedophile in Japan, regardless of gender. Shotacon is also often used as the male version of loli.

I wonder how many people who bandy about the word "loli" have actually read the book... Lolita was 12 when H.H. met her, which is older than most anime lolis.
>> Viaggiatore !lDZfmmdTWM
Pedophile: Bleedman
Lolicon: Someone who likes Bleedman

So, you see, they're essentially the same thing.

No, seriously. They ARE the same thing.
>> Rhythm
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So basically the only difference is the age demographic in which the attraction falls under? I have heard the Lolita complex cutoff age being from 12-14...Is there a universal agreement or is that just kind of up in the air?

Also, the reason I put up the PPGZ images is because some saying it is loli and some arguing it isn't loli. In this version they are 13 so that's another reason I'm asking if there's a specific cutoff age. I was always under the impression the cutoff age was 12 and pedophiles were people who were atracted to anyone under 18/17. But it seems my views of what I thought have changed.
>> Anonymous
lolita: whom his/her love preferences is accidentally toward someone on different generation (old guy liking lil' girl and vice versa) up to the point of serious relationship. "Serious" as in seriously emotionally fall in love.

pedophile : bastards who find enjoyment and ultimate pleasure by having sex with children (physical only and not emotional)

CMIIW
>> Anonymous
Actually, the way I've come to understand it is

lolita complex - is sexually aroused by children
paedophile - one who acts upon their lust for children
>> SonicTH
>>176856

Something tells me Bleedman has a little too much time.
>> Anonymous
>>176957
A pedophile lusts after children.
A child molester acts upon that lust.
A lolicon is a nicer word for a pedophile.
>> SonicTH
>>176870

I don't think he's done anything wrong. He just makes a PPG Doujin (which isn't even meant to be that sexual; its just PPG with a lot of cameos and manga inspirations and the manga side of it inevitably leads to some sauciness).
>> Trith
pedophilia is a strong love for pre-pubescents.
The lolicon is girls in puberty, so around the 10-13 age mark. Pedophilia tends to be less than that.
>> Ano
Ok, ok, then what exactly am I?
I'm attracted to girls between 7 and 12 years old. This attraction is not only sexual, I can easily fall deeply in love with a girl in that range, while it's much harder for me to really love someone older. Oh, and knowing how I feel for them, you understand that I would never molest a child, obviously. I'm also into anime girls of the same age range.

P.S. If you are wondering how it is possible for a grown man to actually LOVE a young girl, try imagining the love a parent for her child, it's similar.
>> JamesCID !vnrAJX0bEo
>>177693
pedophile and lolicon
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>> Anonymous
>>177693

So, if you fell in "love" with an 8 year old, you'd fall out of love with her when she hit puberty? Doesn't sound like love to me.
>> Ano
>>177716

I'm not going to start to explain myself and my feelings on 4chan, but no, I would NOT stop loving her when she gets older. Thats the thing about true love, something I understand very well, true love is forever.
>> Anonymous
Hay guys, guess what the japanese word for "pedophile" is?

LOLICON.
Theres your difference.
>> ~Caine
>>176893
The only truth in this thread.

Lolita is not an actual term, but a title of a book. It has been adopted in slang and pornography to mean someone who appears undermatured.

Lolicon, is weaboo slang.

Pedophilia; sexual desire in an adult for a child

This is when the actual definition becomes hazy. Define child; a person between birth and full growth;

then we must defins what is growth and it is most often afiliated with physical maturity. So, in the cases of humans, who aren't fully grown until 25, and are developed around the age of 11-14, it depends on the culture in question. Usually between these ages OF 16-18 we define the individual as an ADULT and therefore fully grown, when this fact is debatable. However, it is the culture that accetps the terms and application not the individual whose only reasoning is desire.

I don't want to go into to much more detail because most 4chan /b/tards can't hold a candle to logical debate and I can sense a flame commin.

>> Anonymous
Lolicon and pedophile are the same thing you damn pedo! :)
>> ~Caine
>>177737
Pedophile describes the person who Pedophiles or is aflicted with pedophilia.

Lolicon is a class of manga characters. usually depicted in compromising situations.

A pedophile would be attracted to lolicon.

Isn't word logic fun...
grow 2 brain cells...
>> Anonymous
I've always drawn a difference between lolicons and pedophiles, mostly because I have no problem with the art, and in fact have a collection of images with girls in the 12-17 range myself. They are made of ink and do not harm anything.

However, I think anyone who actually touches a little girl or boy, or even deludes themselves into thinking they are "in love" with a ten year old is disgusting.

As for>>177693, the love of a parent for their child is completely different from romantic love. If you cannot draw that difference, then you have severe boundry issues that you need to work out.

And as for the most general topic here, the definition of pedophile. A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to young children, in other words, children who are prepubescent or have just reached pubesecence.

There is a more specific term for those who are attracted to kids who have reached adolescence, and that is hebephilia.
>> ~Caine
>>177757
hebephilia, new one.

Thats the fun with the evolution of words though.
Lolita is spanish influenced with roots from young maiden, girl, ect, and pedophile is an overly attributed word and in law it is absolute. IE the definition I posted above.
I would debate the emotional maturity of a young girl who has come of age rather than a young woman out of high school. But I do not agree with the fact that 19 year olds going to jail for having sex with their 16 or 15 year old girlfriend and being labeled as pedophiles.
Its the way the world works... (here in amerikkka)
>> Anonymous
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People must remember that just because someone is a pedophile, it does NOT mean that they molest children, or even WANT to molest children. Some pedos do it, many don't.
Also, people that likes loli (you know, young nekkid animu gurls) does not necessarily also like real young girls. loli =/= CP.
>> Anonymous
'Paedophile' is a technical term, for a person whose primary sexual attraction is towards pre-pubescent children.

'Lolicon' is a slang term, with no fixed meaning.
>> Anonymous
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Ephebophiles are atracted to teens (prepubescent)
Pedophiles are attracted to children (pubescent)
Lolikon is the japanese term for pedophilia (lolita complex)
In the US, people use the word pedophilia wrongly by applying it to people who like teens. I feel this devaluates a strong word and confuses everyone.
The age of consent is probably best situated around 15-16 if the person actually knows about their body, understands the implications of sexual relationships and is with a partner who has no autority over them.

Lolita is a novel by Nobokov which tells the tale of Humbert Humbert, a pedophile who calls himself and other pedos "nymphettophiles". The story follows HH's delusional point of view and is a fascinating book in that it describes horrificly selfish situations through HH's rosy colored spectacles and that you have to scrabble through piles of beauty described by the narrator for clues on the disgustingness of what's really happening.

People identify with cartoons: the brain does that, we see 2d characters with eyes and a mouth and automatically make them human in our minds and associate with them. I personally believe 2D and 3D fetishes are the same in that our brain interprets them in the same way.
However, drawn or written pedophilia and rape is legally and ethically different than photos or videos in that photos are visual evidence of a real crime that involved a real person.
Some pedophiles feel that is important to make a distinction between consumers of real images which constitute voyeurism or even complicity in a crime and fictional molestation which harms no-one (unless it is a stepping stone to RL CP...that's another debate) hence 2D kiddy lovers prefering to keep the term lolikon seperate from main stream pedos.
It's probably best to use lolikon for people who only view 2D CP because their fetish is only fictional, more ethical and is easier to quit...
>> Anonymous
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Pedos who use the term lolikon are either weeaboo or trying to delude us into thinking they are not seriously sick fucks. If you think about real life kids to get off then you have a biological and psychological problem, some would say disease. The concept of consent is an important part of being human. People who choose to overide it or don't understand that are inadapted to society and nature in general.

So to answer your question, IMHO lolikon=pedophile from the brain's point of view but lolikon!=pedophile on a ethical point of view.

But then you have to bring into the debate the fact that some people make a difference between anime characters and real people and are only attracted to 2D characters (nijiphiles)... so a person attracted to little 2d girls with huge eyes and no noses might not be attracted to real life little girls...or might be only attracted to ideal fictional little girls who have been given adult sex drives and robotic submissiveness... =p
>> Testarossa Fate
>>178196

So we're all basically pedophiles eh? Lol.
>> Anonymous
>>178196
Remember, kids, if you ever use a single word of Japanese, you're nothing but a goddamn filthy weeaboo. At least, that's the impression I get from most of 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>178195

You mixed up your prepubescent with your pubescent. Prepubecscent is "before puberty" (childhood), pubescent is during puberty. Strictly speaking, teens are pubescent/post-pubescent.
>> Rhythm
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Gahh!! This thread has gotten so deep! This should be pinned at the top of this thread for future use.^^;
>> SonicTH
>>178232

What the hell? Are you somehow better than us?
>> Anonymous
>>178272
Just making an observation. As the saying goes, I calls 'em like I sees 'em.