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Moe? Anonymous
/c/, explain to me what moe means. Can I just point at a random anime CG and say that it's moe?
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
The best explanation for the term moe is "that fuzzy feeling", and wanting to "AWWWWW" to the extent of choking yourself in happiness. Either I have just informed someone of this, or I have just been trolled.
>> Anonymous
>>477411
Hmm, so if a girl is sexy, it's not moe?
>> Anonymous
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Moe. Moe. Moe.
>> Anonymous
>>477414
If seeing or thinking of her makes you have that warm-fuzzy feeling, then yes. But not lust over a hot chick where you just want to bone her.
>> Anonymous
>>477419

This is really "moe"! lulz
>> Anonymous
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>>477422

good job, captian obvious!
>> Anonymous
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>>477422
Well, here is Moe and moe at the same time
>> Anonymous
>>477405
>Can I just point at a random anime CG and say that it's moe?
As a general rule, probably so, just because of the subjective nature of Moe.

But as>>477411and>>477420said, Moe is something that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, like when you see a puppy (only with anime girls). A hot anime girl is to "you gon' get raped," as a moe anime girl is to "you gon' get taken home/hugged tenderly"
>> Wakuseino
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For a personalized depiction of moe, Have Natsme Izayoi, who is my personal embodiment of moe (and as of this moment, also my wife). Upon seeing her third scene, which consisted of her eating a cookie, she simultaniously became my main reason for playing Galaxy Angel II (I need my Natsume scenes!), and my main reason for not playing it (Who cares about the story? Just gimme my Natsume scenes, dammit!).

How do I put this... I find her so amazingly cute that she makes my ears bleed sugar, and manages to make me enjoy the feeling of my brains melting out as a liquid sugar substance. That, I think, is pure undistilled moe.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
Moe is cuteness based on more than just visual aesthetics. Moe factors in things like behavior and character traits. Kittens can be cute just like girls, but kittens can't be moe.
"Moe" describes a cute character that displays either cute or attractive qualities. What qualities are attractive is subject to the viewer. Some of the more common ones are things like klutziness, shyness, stubbornness, intelligence, a care-free or childish nature or love of a particular hobby.
>> Anonymous
>>477424
/c/ is currently in the throws of an apparent newfag/retard invasion.
>> Anonymous
>>477532

I blame the front page.
>> Anonymous
The front page is a trap.
>> Anonymous
>>477533
Explain. How did the front-page redesign lead to this pig-disgusting Gaia/MySpace run-off?
>> Anonymous
>Hmm, so if a girl is sexy, it's not moe?
No, that isn't the case. A girl can have a look, personality, or other characteristics that you find sexually attractive. That same girl can also have something about her that gives you that "warm fuzzy feeling" and/or makes you want to help and protect her. Moe and Sexy are not the same thing, but they are not mutually exclusive either.
>> Anonymous
>>477540

It's all shiny and no longer just has a picture of a cake on the front page, therefore attractive the legions of users who are attracted to nice layouts and would otherwise leave upon seeing the old, confusing page.
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
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>>477555
>>477533
>>477540
>>477534
If you don't see it, I'll point it out more clearly.

4chan, until this new frontpage was put in, always had the disclaimer BEFORE the page opened, leading to the assumption that even the SFW boards were still 18+. Now that that is removed, and clearly stated at that, a shitstorm approaches.
>> Anonymous
>>477540
I USED TO BE SCARED OF 4CHAN BECAUSE ALL BOARDS WERE 18+ BUT IT FINALLY HAS BOARDS FOR KIDS SO FROM NOW ON I'M GONNA COME HERE EVERYDAY ALSO I LIKE GRADIENTS
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>> K
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I think one could say that moe is pure love without any lust. A moe characters can be pretty much any kind of girls from lolis to milfs. All that matters is what you feel towards the character. If it's pure love, she is moe. If it's lust she's not moe.

And remember that moe usually a personal preference. Some people consider other other characters moe and some other people consider different characters moe. There are plenty of characters that are universally considered moe, though.

Also, not all the moeres (people who like moe) are the same. Some don't consider it wrong to feel lust towards the characters, though I'm strongly against it, but that's just my opinion.

<-- This is what I call moe!
>> Anonymous
If you know what moe is, you don't know what moe is.

It's a purely Japanese concept. Not definable in English.
>> ?Waifu
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Well, for starters, here's a quote from wiki:

"Moe (??, Moe? /mo’e/, pronounced “mo-eh” literally “budding”, as with a plant) is a Japanese slang word originally referring to fetish for or love for characters in video games or anime and manga. For example, ??????, meganekko-moe, “glasses-girl moe”, describes a person who is attracted to fictional characters with eyeglasses.
Since then, the term has come to be used as a general term for a hobby, enthusiasm, or fetish (non-sexual)—????, tetsudou-moe, “train moe”, is simply a passionate interest in trains.“"

Now, based on this, this is how I see it: it can either be used as an adjective, replacing words like "cute", "hawt" etc etc when talking about a female character. It can also mean your fetishes more in general, for example that you like characters wearing megane, seifuku, have long/short hair etc or even non-female character things like mecha and trains.
Like K>>478218said, there's more definitions than one out there and I'm not sure if I've managed to grip the concept fully either...

Also, have a random moe picture! /o/
>> Anonymous
>>478417
so basically...
moe = fetish
>> ?Waifu
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>>478435
Well...more or less, from my point of view at least... : /
>> K
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>>478435
fetish or love for anime/manga/video game characters. It can be sexual or non-sexual. It all depends on the moerer. Basically moe can mean anything and thus it really means nothing.

Just say "moe" whenever you see an anime/manga/etc. character you find really attractive, cute, sexy, shagable, whatever. It's like Sasahara said in Genshiken: “Just like fujoshi try to pair everything up, I guess we males just moe towards everything”. That pretty much sums it up.

Have some more random moe.
>> mugenjohncel !!Oy+LavZ+kRU
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>>477405
Moe?... Hmm...

Moe still has a very broad and slightly undefined meaning and it really depends on a persons individual bias.

Look at the image I posted, what do you see?

A cute girl in her final moments... what's the first thing that comes into your mind?...

Hopelesness? Pain? Sorrow? Pity? Saddness?
Disgust? Anger?... In my case the overwhelming sadness of seeing a beautiful individual who because of a sudden and cruel death robbed of her dreams, her past, her future... never to open her eyes again...

Just like>>477411
said it has this fuzzy feeling which may or may not lead to "AWWWWW" but still move you emotionally...

Every people has their own POV's... what may be moe to you may not be moe to others.
>> Anonymous
>>478435
Don't think, feel.
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>>478558
It's not really that moe in the visual novel, just pretty damn tragic.
See attached. Sometimes it's not just the picture, but the action. From running to school with a piece of bread in the mouth, to just hugging something that is also cute.
Example of something that isn't jailbait/loli.
>> mugenjohncel !!Oy+LavZ+kRU
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>>478580
Yup!... As I have mentioned earlier it depends on the individual...

Oh by the way, nice image you got there... please have this in return... "moe even at death..."
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Moe was originally used to describe studio Ghibli girls. It's changed over time to be describing primarily the feeling of wanting a girl for your sister or daughter more than wanting a girl for your girlfriend or lover.

Ken Akamatsu described Moe as the feeling or desire of protecting a girl like an older brother or father would. Since in Japanese society men aren't getting married and having children and Japanese households are now having fewer children even then, boys are growing up without sisters. Moe is filling in the empty hole for a lack of femininity.

But that's Ken Akamatsu. Pretty much Moe is what you make it. Nowadays, call it Moe and that's what it becomes.
>> ?Waifu
>>478620
Oh gawd, that Fuuko pic has got moe of epic-levels ~~!
>> someone
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Help, /c/. I've been thinking about Kagami. She fills me with so much energy, yet my body is rendered unable to move. I envy Konata, if only for the fact that she can make Kagami happy. It's like an addiction. I get restless over this, yet my system is more than welcome to be overwhelmed by it. I want to have experiences that I can share with her, and sex would be but a footnote in the list of things we've done that brought me joy. I want to have quarrels with her, just to know what it feels like to choose her above my own pride. I want her to quarrel with me, but only if she'll come back so I'll know how it feels to forgive. Or maybe not, maybe I'm just not thinking properly. Tell me, /c/, is this merely an involuntary response to moe, or am I just standing close to insanity?
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
>>478225
Pretty much pegged it.
>> Anonymous
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>>479106

Back off, Kagami is mine
>> Anonymous
>>479106
In before "glass prison"
>> Mr. Biscuit
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Back off, Konata is mine.

moe=hot, right?
>> Mofaz3459af !!AhxibfL1/NN
>>479106
As my namesake might say "Oh, please."
>> Anonymous
Moe is when you like something that isnt real.
>> China !CHinaFBI..
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I have a youkai moe.
>> Anonymous
>>477405

Can I get some sauce on that?
>> Anonymous
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moe
>> Anonymous
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also moe
>> ?Waifu
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>>479540
Not sure who the character is and where she's from but have an artists homepage:
http://5-y.2-d.jp/

:)
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similarly, moe.
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Eruru is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Iinchou is moe.
>> China !CHinaFBI..
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???
>> Anonymous
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Kotomi is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Yuki is moe.
>> Anonymous
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And Mikuru is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Isumi is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Yuuno is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Ryo is moe.

Kyo, on the other hand...
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Primula is, unquestionably.
>> Anonymous
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Moe?
>> Anonymous
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Correct!

Kore mo Moe...kamo.
>> Anonymous
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Moe, even with her teenage porn-star body.
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Hisui = meidou-moe.
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Azumaria Hendrick equals moe.
>> Anonymous
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Nagisa is moe.
>> Anonymous
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Teletha Testarossa - moe.
>> Anonymous
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Tsukasa - absolutely.
>> Anonymous
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Hanyuu - moe
Rika - moe
>> ?Waifu
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Hm...what does /c/ think about moe and "wild" female characters?
With wild, I'm thinking the bossy onee-sama/aneki type (think Tamaki Kousaka from TH2 for example) and the energic but sort of violent kind of girl (Kyo Fujibayashi from CLANNAD for example). Are these girls "moe"?
Or do they radiate another kind of moe?
Or do they bend more to the GAR-side altogether...?
=w= Of course it might be very different from character to character...
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Nayuki is moe, even when only partially awake.
>> Anonymous
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Tama-nee is love, but you really can't call her moe.
>> Anonymous
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And Kyo may have her occasional moments, but she isn't moe, per se.
>> Anonymous
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Ayu-Ayu, on the other hand, is moe.
>> Anonymous
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And Shiori is moe, even if her sister definitely isn't.
>> Anonymous
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The moe is on the left here.

Micchan is crass and otemba, and she has a Playmate's body. Despite these drawbacks, she is one of the most devoted residents of Hinamizawa, and she turns into a complete moe-blob whenever K1 gets close to her in intimate situations.

Shii-chan, despite having the same genetics, is not moe. She enjoys her Kalashnikov and manipulating people far too much, and she's also yandere - which is a non-moe trait.
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Haruhi is definitely not moe.
>> Anonymous
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Neither is Revi.
>> ?Waifu
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>>479625
Hm...while I personally does not enjoy yandere-type characters, I'm willing to class it as a "potentially moe personality type" along with tsundere. (which is more to my liking btw<3)
>> ?Waifu
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>>479626
>>479633
>>479617
>>479618

Hm...you seem pretty sure in your beliefs.
Then, what if one of these characters were portrayed in a moment of half-awakeness, much like "Nayuki-mode"?
...no, I don't know where I want to go with this either :D
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Haruka Armitage - not.
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
Stop trying to title pictures moe and not moe. What you may dislike, others may enjoy immensely. I for one think tsunderes are extremely cute when they get flustered (AKA, Louise and Shana). Haruhi isn't a tsundere really, she's just a bitch...but even then, at some points she can still be considered moe in my eyes.
>> Anonymous
>>477472
>>477476
Does anyone have sauce on this? I know it's by Yoshitoshi Abe but where can I find more like that?
>> K
>>479611
As a person who has never had a big sister, I find that character type kind of fascinating. While most of moekko are dependant of the main character, strong onee-sama characters are usually stronger than the main character and thus support them instead.

In short, the idea of having a big sister, who's slightly abusive/violent towards me but would support me through the hard times, sounds totally moe. And if she wasn't stronger than her I'd do my best to support my big sister 'cause she's still my sister no matter what she'd do to me.

In short (again), I think characters you described are moe.

We'd need a message board or something for this kinda discussions 'cause these threads are bound to be deleted sooner or later in imageboard like this and reposting stuff is a bother. Any suggestions?
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Sonsaku Hakufu - eh, no.
>> Anonymous
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Absolutely moe.
>> Anonymous
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Katase Shiima - moe.
>> Anonymous
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Akihime Sumomo - moe.
>> Anonymous
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Inoue Orihime = moe
>> Anonymous
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Nia is, definitely.
>> Anonymous
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Shindou Chihiro - moe.
>> Anonymous
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Adding Kyon to the mix has been documented to increase Haruhi's moe potential exponentially.

>>479652
I've always wanted to discuss Haruhi's classification as tsundere. Some other time on another thread, perhaps. I can't stay long today.
>> Anonymous
>>479791
Nooooo, do it here and right now!
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Moe, to me, is "the warm fuzzies." That feeling you get when a girl is so ridiculously cute and/or helpless that you just want to steal her away and protect her to the death.

The best example I can think of is Matsuri from Ichigo Mashimaro. Matsuri is innocent, vulnerable, and sweet. She is, essentially, one large, beaming target for someone like Miu. She is a good girl and deserves to be happy for it, but she needs a helping hand to guide her. This activates, in me any way, an almost paternal desire to protect her. It is not sexual in any way. Miu is not moe to me because she needs no protection. In fact, she needs a good swift kick in the ass most of the time. Chika is independent and strong on her own and not moe. Still adorable and lovable, but not really moe. She's less "pure" than Matsuri (in the sense that Chika has been "corrupted" by the world. She doesn't believe in Sanata, doesn't trust strangers, and has suspicions when things get weird. She's world-weary, relatively speaking.).
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>>479803
tl;dr
>> Anonymous
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Moe?
>> Anonymous
>>479803

I haven't read any other post in this tread, but the Matsuri pic compelled me to read yours. I agree with everything you say, and feel exactly the same as you about Matsuri.

An other similar girl that makes me feel the same for the same reasons is Chii from the manga Chobits (not the anime, just the manga).

I don't know any other like those, because I don't read/watch a whole lot of anime/manga, and because I cannot watch/read anything where such a girl would get hurt in any way (like when Sakura found out the guy she loved was in fact in love with her older brother. That killed me.) I'd love to know of other anime I could enjoy if any of you know any. Old and very old ones included, don't limit yourselves with just the recent popular ones.
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
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>>479850
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=mylist&uid=198715
Shit I rated 9's and 10's would mostly be relevant to your interests.

This is, of course, my ultimate moe.
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Rico-chan & Milfie - yep. Moe.
>> Anonymous
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Akane qualifies as moe, for sure.
>> Travis Touchdown
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moooooooooooooooooooooe
>> Anonymous
>>480044
moar like MO EH
>> Mofaz3459af !!AhxibfL1/NN
>>480041
Moe AND sexy there. Ya know, I don't think Akane gets enough attention/lovin'.
>> Anonymous
>>480044
No More Heroes = Anonymous the Game
>> Anonymous
>>480121
I'm sorry, the what?
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Damn you!
>> Anonymous
The feeling most commonly associated with "moe" is paternal instinct. It's not just cute, or something that you have a fetish for, it's something that evokes a more complicated emotion. It is the instinctual desire to protect and care for manifest through our more sophisticated consciousness. "Moe" in this sense is a non-sexual emotion, and applying it to something sexualized is incorrect.
>> Anonymous
>>480179

You just made me realise that this "moe" feeling of your's (seen also here:>>479803) is my own definition of love. Desire to protect and care, non-sexual kind of "motherly-love",... This is what love is to me.

Yep, I'm a pedo, but not your usual "I want to fuck her" pedo. I'm the pedo who wants to care for the girl he loves, not because I get's to fuck her, but because... I love her. My kind of love.

Remember Chobits? At the end, he chose to be with her, to love her, protect her and care for her forever, because he loved her, and he was totally ok with never having sex with her. Just being with her was all he wanted. Sex with her would have hamed her (see the connection?) so it was obviously out of the question.

Anyway, I better shut up, I'm feeling some flaming coming my way...

But I'm still looking for animes/manga with cute, happy girls and no bad endings or drama or other sad things.
>> Anonymous
>>480323

Oh, forgot to mention (before the flaming starts) I'm not actually as delusionnal as to think I might find that kind of love in real life. It's a personal fantasy thing only... and it's only towards anime girls anyway.
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Suzu & MeiMei = moe.
>> Anonymous
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Sakura-hime = moe.
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>>480325
*Claps* No flames from me, thank you for speaking up and sharing that ^_^
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Tohru has to be the one of the best examples of moe.
>> Anonymous
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>>478580here, with another "moe-action" .gif.
Like I said, sometimes it's the action that makes you just wanna cuddle 'em.
Or sway with them. As I've done on occasion.
Also, I'm surprised Yutaka hasn't appeared yet.
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Dejiko and Puchiko are both moe - at least in this form (legal; no mekara-beamu)
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>>480420
More moe-action.
Sometimes it's the loli factor, sometimes it's the WTF factor.
For the WTF factor, lurk for .gifs of Yui from LS, notably the one where she's riding a sliding chair of some sort. (Not w/h/at you think...)
>> Anonymous
>>480422
I wouldn't really call the loli breakfast machine moe. Yui in the swivel chair maybe.
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>>480423
Acquired.
>> VZ
>>479448

I want a shirt of this.
>> Anonymous
>>478225
Yeah, basically.
I won't pretend to have an explanation or know what it means very well... I've barely got a basic understanding of WHY certain things that are referred to as moe are moe...
I think a good explanation of it would be if it makes you feel good inside, then it sorta counts as moe... though as said before... it's a purely Japanese concept that cannot be explained well at all...
I think the technical translation of "moe" is something along the lines of "a good feeling".
But don't listen to me, I know nothing.
>> Flonne !KNuT906KxE
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>>480323
While I mostly agree, please refrain from sappy stories, as they hurt my hate machine-filled eyes. Not that I use /b/ anymore, seeing as the cancer finally did it in...
>> Anonymous
>>480464
The literal translation of moe is "budding" (as in a plant or flower).
>> mugenjohncel !!Oy+LavZ+kRU
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>>480480
Yes!... I've been looking for that image for ages!... Thanks!

Please have this in return...

This is a picture of an injured girl... strugling, doing her best under difficult circumstances... for me "THIS" is MOE!
>> Anonymous
>>480512
are you talking about this image?
>>480506
>> China !CHinaFBI..
>>480512
Are you some kind of sadist?
>> Anonymous
>>480524

Not really a sadist per se, but I do like pictures of injured or suffering girls. I would never hurt them myself, but there's something about watching a girl fight for her life that I like.

Or I just like soft guro, I guess. I suppose it's rather fucked up.
>> China !CHinaFBI..
>>480531
Fair enough.
>> Anonymous
>>480534
It would be fair enough if they didn't shit up /c/ with guro-lite.
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while we're on the subject of what stuff means... what exactly is tsundere?
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>>480555
The character starts out aggressive and combative toward the potential love interest (tsun tsun). Over time, they become more comfortable around them, thus exposing their more vulnerable and affectionate side (dere dere).
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Nakahra-san is my moe :3
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>>480572
>>480555
Visual representation.