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I'm going down in a blaze of glory... SonicTH
http://news.com.com/Senator+to+propose+surveillance+of+illegal+images/2100-1028-6156976.html

Well, if I'm going down, might as well do it in style.
>> SonicTH
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None of you seem to have much tolerance for threads that have an agenda.
>> Anonymous
name of girl?

she's cute, but I have a soft moe spot for sukumizu.
>> SonicTH
>>227112

Moe-tan. Star of some very unusual English learning aids for Japanese kids.

Very cute, though.
>> Anonymous
Am I going to get v& if I DL those pictures???

Oh well, I could probably argue entrapment in court...
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
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>>227089
Thought-crime is not a crime.
Fuck you, McCain. Fuck you, John Walsh. Something like 99% of kids who end up sexually abused don't wind up on the Internet, so why don't you go do something about them?

Loli Link related
>> Viaggiatore !lDZfmmdTWM
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>>227116

Dude, don't hate John Walsh. Do hate McCain, though.
>> SonicTH
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I used to like McCain because he was the only Republican I could stand (I was mad when he was kicked out of the 2000 Presidential Election).

But...this is now.
>> Anonymous
There any Moe-Tan wallpapers?

She's just so cute. An imageboard dedicated to ehr would be jsut as fine, too
>> SonicTH
I actually went through a period where I wondered if she was a girl or not.
>> SonicTH
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I try to avoid keeping too many loli pics around.
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
To be fair, there's no need to be too worried about this. As many of the comments on the news site point out, even IF this bill passed, and the Supreme Court didn't knock the shit out of it, it's worthless. Technologically speaking, it'd bog everything down and the real crooks would still get away. No way it'd bust ANYBODY.
>> Kinako
>>227338

To me, that sounds like it would only be referring to really explicit cartoon images, anyway, which none of what's posted here falls into the category, I would think.
>> Z3r02007
>>227338

Pretty much.

Seriously. Shouldn't the gov't be more worried about ACTUAL pedophiles, instead of Average Joe who just wants some hot loli WITHOUT being vanned?
>> Anonymous
Impossible concept. Legislative masterbation. They make these bills to look like heros but really never go anywhere.
>> Anonymous
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These pictures of cute "cartoon" girls and boys are just that: CUTE. Sure there are some pretty suggestive pics of youngens out there; But as long as they are not TOTALY NUDE I fail to see the problem this Sen. has with it. Not that politicians have ever needed a reason to stick to archaic ways of thinking. If a person finds a picture of a clothed (although scantly) youngster sexually arousing than they're a pervert. You can't keep people from being perverts by passing laws! Making cute pics like these illegal will not make the world a better place! After all; if "cartoon" kiddies are not available for the veiwing, a pedo is all that much more likely to persue ACTUAL CP. I would think that a sicko needs look no further than the childrens swimsuit section of a JC Pennys catalouge. Is he going to ban department stores?!?
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
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>>227380
But you don't understand! If we take away nude photos of unreal kids, pedophiles will stop lusting after real kids, right? Right?!

This logic is about as shaky as saying that if you keep a gay man away from other guys, he'll suddenly turn straight, or if you keep a Congressman away from Congress he'll grow a brain.

In fact, I'd like to point out that being a pedophile is NOT a crime, nor should it be. Being sexually attracted to children is not the same thing as raping them. In the same manner, lusting after adult women is perceived as A-OK by most of society (and the few that think lust in itself is evil can, ironically, go fuck themselves). But raping an adult women is bad, mm'kay? So don't be bad, and don't rape women, mm'kay? </Mr.Mackey>

We all have fetishes, and some are less legal than others, but desire is not, should not, and shall not be considered a crime in any decent society.

And as someone pointed out on the news site, even if this were passed, and lolicon and shota were made illegal, and the images were tracked... We ("we" refering to the people as a whole) could just send said images EVERYWHERE. They can't tell who had it for how long, who fapped to it, who saw it accidentally. So when the same shotacon image is found on 8 million PCs across the country, well, they're pretty screwed.

Chalk this one up to pre-election "moralizing." This is McCain trying to look "tough on child porn" to those of us who think that the only child molesters out there are on the Internet, and not in their own families or on their street.

Note: Sam does not support child molestation in any way. He's not into lolicon, just believes it is not a crime. The image attached is an example of a joke, so, don't get your adult diapers in a bunch, senator.
>> Anonymous
>>227453
QFT
>> Anonymous
to ALL the Americans:
instead of bitching and moaning DO something about this; after all, it was YOU who elected those creeps such as McKain and Shrub; so why dont you kick them out before they really fuck up your country? You claim to be a democracy, right? SO why don't you impeach them before its too late...
Oh wait...
>> Viaggiatore !lDZfmmdTWM
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>>227457

To do so would be to admit to the world and to ourselves that we've made a horrible, horrible mistake. And people would rather die and let the world end than admit something like that.
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
>>227457
Because we can vote for morally bankrupt jackass A or morally bankrupt jackass B. OH! But we could band together and vote for an independent, right? ...Oh, wait, he's morally bankrupt, too...

Well, I suppose we could impeach these assho-- Oh, wait, we can't. The only ones who can impeach are... the people we want to impeach (namely, the Congress).

At this point, I've given up all hope of fixing the system. The only ones with the real power to change the system without some sort of revolution... are the ones who'd LOSE their power by fixing the system.

At least, for now, we can rest assured that the corrupt can barely use a toaster oven, let alone advanced computer tracking software.
>> Anonymous
>>227471
what about Ralf Nader?
>> Anonymous
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Alright, this is just stupid. Fuck you all, american people. You just are total idiots (or at least most of you are, given that you voted for this bunch of assholes).
That means no more Ragnarok? Bullshit!
>> Anonymous
>>227522
naaaah, that "law" if it passes would obviously be valid for USA; Asia and Europe will not be affected but then again it MIGHT give the EU gov ideas to pass simular "laws"
>> Anonymous
I couldn't expect less from the same government that's been taking 3 steps backs and one sideways in the last few years.

Let 'em go send their soldiers to rape, torture or kill little Iraqii children while we get in jail for liking porn they don't think is good enough.

Why don't they ban all cartoon violence for once? I mean, if liking moe is the same as being a pedophile, it's pretty clear to me that liking cartoon violence is the same as being a rapist, killing, bloodthirst, crazy muthafucka, amirite?

You can't condemn people for what they might become. People should read more. Or at least keep those dumb bastards out of politics.
>> Anonymous
crap. i store all my anime related images on photobucket. i'm not an avid image collector so it kinda bugs me that i'll have to lose some of the few images i save
>> Anonymous
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>>227526
Exactly. If you want to be buttraped, US people, OK, get buttraped. Vote for whoever you want. I don't care. The problem is... well, there are a lot of countries (including mine, Guatemala) that does about anything that the US wants (like when they banned p2p). So, what I mean is, think about the other countries that don't give a shit about themselves, but only about giving YOUR government some lurving.
In the end, there is only FUCK YOU to say.
Oh, and that also means we all Yotsuba fans will have it up on our ass as well.
>> Anonymous
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First- the law is worded such that it would prohibit loli with sexual contact. However, these laws have been struck down before in various forms due to free speech and a lack of actual damage to any living person.

Second, it's simply populist pandering by McCain, who wants to build a base for 2008 presidential elections, but he's having a hard time due to his shameful kowtowing to Bush and support for an unpopular war. He's going to throw out some easy support stuff in the hopes of looking like a good guy again.

This almost certainly will not stop cute lolis with clothes on. What's worse, it attacks a placebo such as lolicon, while ignoring the very real problem of underage "child models" who are being exploited.

In the end, while I care little about lolicon, I would hate to see further infringements on free expression and something that does not actually harm people. At the same time... they're going after video games pretty hard right now.

Still, I don't think we're crazy enough to stop anything that'd be on /c/. Right, John? Hillary? Anyone?
>> Anonymous
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>>227541
You certanely have a point there. Not about McCain wanting to seem like a nice person, but about the exploit of child models.
It really sounds stupid to be after lolicon if there is that special world out there as well. Bah, but if he was against REAL child sex, the Church and lots of senators would be against it, so that's why he's against loli.
>> Anonymous
What about Canada?

Illegal in Canada, but no one bitches about that.
>> Anonymous
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DO NOT WANT
>> Anonymous
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meh >.> geez... i'm a girl, and it's not like i'm attracted to little kids or anything. I dun like the provocative pictures, but besides those, I like the clothing and the style of animation. With anime CG style pictures, no real kids are getting exposed or hurt by these pics. It's just some sick perv's mind ^^
>> Anonymous
>>227603
>meh
>>.> ^^
>i'm a girl

Triple sage.
>> Anonymous
>>227554
Fuck Canada. Milks comes in bags.
>> Anonymous
>>227554
What about Canada? What about Eurofag's supposed havens of freedom, Norway and Sweden?

Wikipedia on Norway:
"Any images or videos that depict pornography in a childish context (which would include, for example, an adult model with childish clothes/toys/surroundings)[15] are to be considered child pornography. Lolicon are therefore counted as child pornography, and not legal, in Norway."

And on Sweden:
"Any images or videos that depict children in a pornographic context are to be considered child pornography in Sweden, regardless of how realistic or abstract they are.[18] This means that lolicon is considered to be child pornography and is therefore illegal in Sweden."

Lol, Europe.
>> Delicious Flat Chest
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Of course the lolicon artists could just claim that the loli "are >18" to get around the law. Also, the main thing I like about LOLI is the FLAT CHEST.

Overall bill seems a waste of time, to the government, police, and ISP. Well the cops are messing with this, they fail to get more "dangerous" criminals such as murders, terrorists, rapists, child molesters, etc.
>> Anonymous
"Moe-Tan" -> "M.O.E. - T.A.N." -> "Methodology Of English - The Academic Neccessity"

I love how well that play on words and such works.
>> Anonymous
>>227113
actually, her name is Nijihara Ink, and in the above pics, she's in her magical girl alter-ego, Pastel Ink.

proof:
http://www.hlj.com/product/CLY18055
http://www.hlj.com/product/KBYGS-33
>> Anonymous
>>227471
Pretty much.

The government is run by crazy motherfuckers and regulated by crazy motherfuckers. The only people you can vote for are crazy motherfuckers. Anyone sane never makes it on TV.

Voting is a laugh. It only gives the APPEARANCE that the people are in control. That is for the best though actually. Can you imagine if the general public got to really call all the shots? At least the elected officials have to have some base intelligence.. even if they are crazy.
>> Anonymous
>>227633
Um.. you can have flat chest without loli.

There are differences(and I don't mean the artist claiming age). The art style doesn't lend itself well to showing these differences, but there are ways. The figure for one. The breasts aren't the only curves on a woman you know.
>> Encrypto
Quick! Somebody find the loophole they're using to get this past the Constitution and patch it!
But in the meantime, I'm moving to Japan!
>> Z3r02007
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>>227453
>>227471

I want to make love to you like a tiger.

>>227541

I've often found it funny when politicians go after media within itself. Yes, I do belive in control, and I do belive in censorship, but only to a point. No one ever blames the lousy parents that let little Johnney play GTA or bought their kids "Legend of Overfiend" because it was a cartoon. It's always the evil developers and animators in Japan who are plotting the downfall of American youth.

Gimmie a fucking break. If Hillary gets elected, I'm moving to Cannada.
>> Delicious Flat Chest
Also, on a somewhat related note, according to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

Lolicon may in fact be beneficial to society.
>> Anonymous
>>227672
I RED IT ON WIKIPEDIA IT MUST BE TROO
>> Z3r02007
>>227672

I I was a real pedophile, if I could get drawings of 10 year olds being raped, why the fuck would I do it for myself and risk getting in a shitload of trouble?

Oh, but the gov't doen't want to recognize loli as "art."
>> Anonymous
Lol, I'll be frank. I don't think that most people would care if this senator goes ahead with his plan. I mean, what is the ratio of 4channers/anime fans to the general public? In my country, the ones into jap culture are the young; definitely not the adults with voting rights. As mentioned by someone, this is probably a populist tactic.
What I find troubling here is the excessive censorship...
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
>>227671
I'm not sure I'm aware of what tiger-love making is like, and I've never met you before, but, hey, why not. See e-mail address above.

...Anyway, joking aside, let's summarize:
Congress: Full of corrupt assholes who can't use technology, but insist on regulating it.
Public: Full of stupid assholes who just want the cops to LOOK like they're doing something.
Internet: lol

...Also, full of nerds, but we're in the minority, so, hey, who gives a fuck if we get unfairly punished, amirite?

Bah. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the Angry Dome.
>> Anonymous
Innerstate Commerce Clause blows my ass....Without it this congress couldn't do any Crap like what old McCainy pants Proposes. It would be up to the states to make a law about it, and half of the states wouldn't bother... Oh yea, Republicans are Bible-thumping hics, Dems are socialist nut-jobs....So vote libertarian, and let capitalism do it's job!
>> Z3r02007
>>227765

Pretty much. :/

Best we can do is hire a damn good lawyer when someone discovers I go to 4chan.
>> Alcurcad666
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You know what this really dosent surpise me at all. America is becoming more like soviet russia every day! I can't even go into a bar and smoke anymore and I live in kentucky. Eventuly we will not have any fucking civial libirites left. On a sidenote I don't trust any fucking politican because everysingle last one of them is corrupt
>> Z3r02007
>>227791

Some of us are allergic to cigarette smoke, asshole. They have a smoking section for a goddamn reason.

Your comparison is stupid in that cigarettes can and have killed people. Images of 10 year old anime girls being ejaculated on can't.
>> Anonymous
>>227793
Take your fucking allergies somewhere else. It's nobody's problem but your own. If you're allergic to cats, you don't keep one, and you certainly don't tell people to get rid of their cat because you happen to be allergic. In the same way, if you can't stand cigarette smoke, stay the fuck out of bars.
>> Anonymous
lol
They act as if they can track it.
>> Anonymous
>>227799
That's what makes the proposal ludicrous. Government people know shit all about computer technology.
>> Anonymous
>>227793

They can't kill people, but they can kill kittens.
>> Anonymous
>>227793

its a bar you douche bag, smoking is expected.
you dont like it? hit up a non-smoking bar.
>> Encrypto
>>227803
Or move to Florida.
>> Anonymous
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long live the fighters!
>> Anonymous
>>227803
I have a granfather who died as a by product of smoking and I gotta agree with this guy. Well yes it does get damn annoying, smokers have their designated places where they can light one up and suck a fag (and I mean a cigarette) and we have places we can be away from them. Like thirty feet away.

Anyway though, as said before, this is probably just a popularity stunt, and its not that we have to worry about if politicians know how to use the Internet, but if the Police/FBI know. But the former is grossly unaware of just how infinite the Internet-verse is, and if the system really is as corrupt as you're all implying, that means five bucks and bottle of scotch can not only get you out of jail, but the seat of mayor in your town.
>> Anonymous
Cute stuff isn't porn. If you think that cute is porn, perhaps we should look in YOUR computer.
*imagines old white senators shaking computers like Zoolander and wondering how to get the files out of the computer*

These are guys who know jack shit about computers themselves. And they're all running stuff; businesses, companies, governments. All completely fucking clueless about the internet and how it works. Just look at that guy talking about how "the Internet is not like a Truck; you can't just put stuff on it" ETC.

They're fucking downloading porn up the wazoo, probably some illegal "teen" and kiddie stuff too (the people who rail against stuff the most religiously always have the most to hide), and then they go out and point the finger in the opposite direction.

Well, Mr. Senator, I come from a town where the phrase "whoever smelt it, dealt it" is valid in more situations than farting.

Hell, while we're at it, let's just assume these guys are fucking underage prostitutes and child slaves illegally brought to the country anyway. After all, that's the "old" way of doing things.

SICKOS, disgusting hypocritical, holier-than-thou, corrupt, insane jackass SICKOS.

I don't care what you're attracted to, as long as you don't rape, I'm fine with it. But there's a WHOLE lot of raping of the Constitution going on, and everyone's blaming the victim. Funny how that works.
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
>>227824
Let's not forget, Mr. Tom DeLay: Rallied as pro-Family-values and pro-Life, and yet was involved in Forced-Prostitution and Forced-Abortions FOR said prostitutes in overseas communities. (On top of other hypocrisies, like being against pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo and calling Mr. Schiavo a murderer, while he himself pulled the plug on HIS father...)

Or how about Mark Foley? In charge of a department to aid sexually abused children, and yet sending sexual messages to underage assistants?

And, I would like to note, some laws make it illegal to have a picture of a "clothed teen looking *some synonym for sexual I don't remember*" These laws are fucking vague as hell. Pretty much ANYONE and EVERYONE could be found guilty (got a picture of yourself naked when you were a baby? That CAN be called child porn. Got a picture of YOUR baby after being born [Which I hear often leaves them naked]? You're a child pornographer. Take a picture of yourself when you yourself are underage? PORNOGRAPHER!

So FUCK YOU McCain, FUCK YOU religious right, FUCK YOU pussies on the left... Bah. I need to go fap away this anger. (And hope I don't get v& for it~!)
>> Anonymous
All of you, shut the fuck up and get off of /c.
>> Anonymous
senators are /c/
>> Anonymous
NATIONAL DATABASE OF ILLEGAL IMAGES?

DAMNED COPS JUST WANT FREE PORN
>> Anonymous
Drama? In /c/?

Is it time for a /b/vasion yet?
>> Delicious Flat Chest
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>> Dr. Stein !wQIudqh1es
>>227771
>So vote libertarian, and let capitalism do it's job!
True. If Libertarians controlled the legislature (lol) shit like this bill would be laughed away on the floor.

I don't think that it will pass anyway though.
>> Anonymous
>>227113
>>227299
>>227639

Actually, the girls name is not Moe-tan or Nijihara Ink, It is "Pastel Ink".

Moe-tan is the program, and Nijihara Ink is a different character.

Pastel Ink is the name of the character in OP.

http://www.trevreport.org/moetrans.shtml#chara
Go down to "Characters"
>> Mudkip !nMZGNd7HT2
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Posting cute in an anti-pedo law thread.
>> Anonymous
they're killing it all over again!
>> AE
Anonymous with the Flonne Picture - It don't have to contain nudity. As long as it is deemed incorrect to those of the higher ups then it's illegal and punishable under law.

In a "obscene" way was more correctly stated by it.

As we notice, we are more open to such matter as this. Either cause we support it somehow or we don't or we don't care.
>> Sam and OMG HAX!!
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

Not4chan: *fapfapfap*

Dammit, n4c, I didn't mean like that!
>> Anonymous
>>228453


Who cares?

I want more pictures of her.
>> Anonymous
Someone needs to submit these articles:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/81503

In Animenewsnetwork for some drama and lulz.
>> Anonymous
Funny, Japan had some similar proposals like this from politicians sometime last year.
>> Anonymous
It appears that alot of ISP companies are pleased at the idea of having to play Big Brother for an overzealous government. There's the significant problem about the cost of somehow having -every single- internet server monitor -every single- user and -every single- website and -every single- image they view or send -every single- second of -every single- day and keep those records for a -years- if need be. Stuff like that is much easier said than done.

Not to mention, as far as cartoon pr0n law goes, what laws there are only cover "cartoon depictions of a minor or what appears to be a minor engaging in *overt sexual intercourse (not merely sexually explicit)* and need satisfy only the third part of the Miller Test, that it lack serious artistic value." In short, there has to be a significant level of hardcoreness necessary for it to be remotely v&able. /c, a/, and e/ at their most "suggestive" isn't going to be covered under it.
>> Anonymous
>>228688
>>it appears that alot of ISP companies are *NOT* pleased at the idea of having to play Big Brother for an overzealous government.

Dammit, fixed.
>> Anonymous
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>>228050
Totally right
>> Delicious Flat Chest
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>> Anonymous
>>227262
Totally agree with ya

>>228854
Dammit who is this? I've seen a couple images of her now, some hcg, some manga. What is the sauce?
>> Haronymous
>>228867
Arf from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha series of anime ... but this is her loli form in the A's to StrikerS manga (though I think she will probably stick to this form when StrikerS airs)
>> Anonymous
>>228460

Huge LOL
>> Delicious Flat Chest
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>> VZ
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>> Z3r02007
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>>228050