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Has your dog ever snarled/growled at you? And you did you teach them to not do it?
>> Anonymous
My Siberian growls and snarls at me while we are roughhousing and if he has a toy and I put my hand near it.

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever teach a dog not to growl or snarl. If there's no growl or snarl, all that is left is the bite with no warning.

When my dog growls and snarls while roughhousing, he is doing it playfully. But when it's his treat, heed the warning, or you risk getting bitten. He's never actually tried to bite me, but Siberian teeth are as you see in your pic, it hurts when it's a play bite, it REALLY FREAKING HURTS when it's a real bite.
>> Anonymous
>>162443

Actually, teaching them not to grown and snarl at you is basically teaching them not to show aggression towards you. You should NEVER permit your dog to be aggressive to you.

Your dog will never understand it as a "next time, bite with no warning". Not even dolphins are that smart.
>> Anonymous
>>162441
Only when roughhousing. Other than that, he is the most unaggressive son of a bitch one could hope for.
>> Anonymous
>>162445
agreed, obedience and non-agressiveness are essential
>> Anonymous
I dye my dog different colors periodically so he can maul neighborhood children without getting put down.

It's fucking hilarious.
>> Anonymous
>>162466
have my babies pls
>> Anonymouse
>>162466
Do they suspect a pack of neon colored dogs is actually hiding out somewhere?
>> Anonymous
I have to disagree. My comment only applies to Siberian Huskkies. When I was teaching him to get along with my cat, he would whine, bark, growl at her. The second I finally got him to stop doing that and introduced him to my cat, he bites without warning.

Siberians are, without a doubt, smart enough to understand that. It is like fighting dogs, if you lket them fight once and restrain them before they could get the other dog, they will learn that you mist bite without warning in order to get the other dog hbefore they or their owner gets them.
>> Anonymous
>>162472

I can see what happened there, and I can tell you that it's because you never taught it to stop being aggressive towards cats from the start. Your dog's a retard: it can't differentiate between "other cats" and "your cat".

Your analogy of fighting dogs is just stupid. They're dogs already programmed to be aggressive and try to fight other dogs, as opposed to that single chain yanking. Of COURSE they're not going to listen, and they believe that once the pwnage happens, their owner will praise them.

Your average pet will not, and should not be disobeying you. I don't tolerate any sort of aggression, and my two shepherds never try to step around that rule.
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lol
>> Anonymous
>>162441
No.You just suck with dogs get a tree.
>> Anonymous
>>162466
Ok, I'll give you that one -> lol.
>> Anonymous
You could also, say, punish the actual biting, as well.
>> Jo
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My dalmatian when she was younger was very agressive. Over food and her toys and what not. She had a bad habbit of chewing on shoes which she then thought was hers. I feel bad about this story but it something I had to do.
She had a pair of my heals one day and when I went to reach for them she snapped at me. I managed to get one of the shoes before she bite me. I poped her on the nose, not hard, just a little tap. and she lunged at me. I threw my left arm in front of me over my face and she grabed on to it. I beat the hell out of her with the shoe I had in my hand untill she let go. Since then we havent had a problem with her. She is only agressive now when she needs to be. To strangers and things of that sort. She is as sweet as can be now. She is even cat friendly.

I am not saying to beat your dog, but you have to show them sometimes that you are the alpha, not them.
>> Anonymous
If we're playing I let it go, if I think the dog means it, I smack him around with a couch pillow. Doesn't hurt the dog but they get the point.
>> Anonymous
>>162577
Cause dalmations are fucking nuts. All that inbreeding really screws with their heads.

If my dog growls at me I grab their snout and squeeze. Not enough to hurt em but they get the point. Thats how they do it in the wild, the dominant wolf would bite the top of the other dogs snout.
>> Anonymous
ITT self-proclaimed canine behavioral experts.
>> Anonymous
>>Your dog will never understand it as a "next time, bite with no warning". Not even dolphins are that smart.

You've obviously never had a Siberian, or a smart dog breed. Siberians are intelligent enough to know that they can get away with stuff, and independent enough to not feel like their life revolves around you. A dangerous combination. Most intelligent breeds want to please you.

>>I can see what happened there, and I can tell you that it's because you never taught it to stop being aggressive towards cats from the start. Your dog's a retard: it can't differentiate between "other cats" and "your cat".

My dog is a Siberian Husky. One of the highest prey drive dogs there are. Just getting to to accept "your cat" as something to not kill is a accomplishment, getting it to love all cats is a miracle. My dog only growled and got aggressive to this cat because the cat in question was not used to dogs, and was provoking him. That cat, at this moment, is sleeping right next to him.

>>Your average pet will not, and should not be disobeying you. I don't tolerate any sort of aggression, and my two shepherds never try to step around that rule.

Siberians are not your average pet. They are intelligent and independent, not dependent like 99% of dogs out there. Their life doesn't solely revolve around pleasing you. If they can do something and get away with it, they are smart enough to know that and do it. That is the reason why many Siberians end up in the shelters, people don't understand that and think they just have a bad dog. That's how the breed is, if a person can't understand that and accept that and always keep a step ahead of it, you should not own one.

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>> Anonymous
I've never trained a growl out of my dogs. It serves as a warning to me that I'm about to get bitten. Now, what you DO train them not to do is whatever that's making them growl. If they are growling because they don't want you to take their treat/toy/etc, you train them to not mind if you take them. Not the growl. You always always always always want to have a warning before you get bitten. THEN you work on how to prevent them from getting aggressive in those situations.
>> Anonymous
Well, kinda. Once my dog got into a fight with a wolf to protects us. Then he started acting really mean so we put him in a contained area. Paw said he was sick and I had to kill him. ;.;
>> Anonymous
>>162612
Old Yeller?
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>162605
Do you breed Siberian Huskies or something? That sounds like elitist breeder talk, and believe me, I know what that sounds like. "My breed this and my breed that".....you have to realize that most dogs don't read their breed standards. There are exceptions to every rule, and very few dogs match with their standards as well as you're making them out to do. If you DO breed Huskies, and you're getting aggressive dogs, then you should be breeding a different line.

That being said, I don't care what kind of dog it is, I have never in my life let my animals get away with being aggressive with me. Not my dogs, not my cats, none of them. I don't allow play bites on skin, either, as that reinforces the aggressive behavior. As you said here,>>162605
Huskies are super intelligent, and can work around your logic. If you let your dog play bite you, then your dog knows that it's getting away with aggressive behavior, which is why it also growls at you. Any bad behavior that you allow the dog is going to relish in and take note of it. My dogs have always known that teeth on skin are NOT okay, and I have never had dominance issues with them. Especially not food guarding problems, either, as those are particularly nasty and unwanted.
>> Anonymous
>>162680
First post in this thread that hasn't made me want to weep. I can't believe some of these people think they can honestly advise someone.
>> Anonymous
>>162680

They don't read their breed standards, but the standards are a guideline to the breed. There are always a variation.

Second, I don't allow aggressive behavior. What I am saying is, training a dog not to growl is bad. A growl is a warning. What you do is train them NOT to get aggressive.

For example, the last dog I rescued had a food/toy/treat aggressive behavior. You can do the stupid thing, and just train it not to growl. All that will do is get you bitten next time you grab the treat. If you punish it when it gives a warning growl, it won't give a warning next time.

What you DO, on the other hand, is train it to not get aggressive in the first place. Since all of my dogs are rescues, I would prefer them to growl rather than immediately get bitten. That way I know what to work on.

Again, it does not mean letting it go. It means heeding the growl at as a warning. The original post asks if you should teach it not to growl. You teach it not to get aggressive, but you never teach it not to growl.

To simplify it even further than I already have, you have a chain of events: Aggression > Growling > Biting. If you teach it not to growl, you have Aggression > Biting. What you teach is not to show aggression, which cancels the whole chain.

Heed the growl as a warning, and work to fix the source of the aggression. Make sense?
>> Anonymous
>>162680

Just to reiterate, I did not at any time say you should let them get away with showing aggression. I said not to prevent growling. You stop aggression, growling is a warning of aggression. So stop the aggression not the growl.
>> Anonymous
gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>162690
no u
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>162441

I think it goes without saying that you shouldnt let your pets think their threats hold any water. If my dogs growled at me because I was doing something, I would most certainly show them I can do whatever the hell I feel like with any of 'their' things. And if they think otherwise I'll beat it into them.

After the initial process, if it happend once, it most likely will never happen again. Thats how its always been with the few dozen dogs I've had/trained.

I've always had a dog in the family no matter what, it seems. My current pet is very smart and obediant, and she's learn a few tricks. I've even gotten her to talk/sing. She yelps "la la la la la" :3
>> Anonymous
>>162693
Ha ha, oh wow. I hope you get a dog some day that fights back when you hit it.
>> Anonymous
>>162693
This works. I trained my son the same way. He, too, sings.
>> Anonymous
dont turn out like michal vick and beat your dog to train it! or mabye i will....
>> Anonymous
>>162693

Well it depends on the person, and the dog. I'm more of a postive reinforcement person, "teach the dog to respect, not fear, you" kind of person.

I would never beat any of my large breed rescues. That's just asking for me to get mauled. Perhaps I could overpower them (I am 220 pounds, and I can give a Siberian a good workout so I'm in shape) but their teeth are sharp. My uncle lost his thumb "teaching his chow chow who's boss".

The second Siberian I adopted is one such dog who bites back. Some moron at the dog park wanted to teach him not to nip at his dogs neck. Now, don't misunderstand, whether it's ok or not depends on the owner, "it's all play until there's blood" is the Northern breed saying. I don't mind if someone doesn't like that, so I leave.

However, he hit his nose to stop him. The second time he did it, my dog bit back. What possessed that man to hit a dog with really sharp teeth is beyond me.

I've since trained him out of that, but it could have been much worse if he was not as well trained as he was. A simple shout of "HALT" made him sit his butt right on the ground and wait for further instruction from me, despite his aggression to the guy.

However, you are right that they should not be allowed to show aggression.
>> Anonymous
dogs should be trained to be aggresive.
>> Anonymous
>>162704
Huskie teeth are just teeth, they're not anything special or sharper than other breeds' teeth.
>>162605
>My dog is a Siberian Husky. One of the highest prey drive dogs there are
Nope, just more independent than most breeds to not give a crap about holding it back. What ever makes you think they're more of a predator than others?
>> Anonymous
>>162605

All dogs, especially the purebreds, are not particularly intelligent. Just because Huskies look "wolflike" and are more independent, that doesn't make it any more intelligent, nor does it give it a higher prey drive than the rest of the dogs.

If YOU'RE the one backing away when your dog is growling, you're letting the dog control you and getting away with showing aggression to you. Growling IS showing aggression. The dog is threatening you. And you're letting the dog get away with it. You're showing the dog you're afraid of the threats it's making. GOOD GOING.

Not even cat owners stand for their cats' hissing at them, and as far as dependency goes, cats are FAR more independent than the average dog.
>> Anonymous
actually, terriers would probably have a higher prey drive. ie pit bull TERRIERS.

second, exactly. teeth are teeth.
>> Anonymous
>>162704

You keep dogs that will bite people? Then turn around and say that the other person is a moron in trying to protect their own dog?

When a dog is growing it's not fucking threatening you? It's not being aggressive? I bet your "work to remove the aggression" revolves solely around YOU tiptoeing around the damn dog.

You are one retarded motherfucker, and one of these days you will run out of places to tiptoe around your vicious dog, and you WILL get mauled. Why don't you just pre-nominate yourself for the Darwin Awards already?
>> Anonymous
>>162705
Enjoy your ripped throat.
>> Anonymous
My dog only snarled at me once; the first week I got her. I was trying to grab her chew toy, and she growled. I became the "dominant" one; you know, typical "I pin you down and hold you down" pose, and she has never growled at me ever again.
>> Jo
Ok, Ive owned Siberians before, and they are smart dogs but you have to treat them like you are in a pack. You cant tiptoe around them or let them growl at you. If they growl punish them. It shows them that you are not afriad of them and that you are in charge. There is no such thing as no growl no warning. Treating aggressive behavior is treating the growl.

I dont care what anyone says though, I would rather come across an aggressive huskie then an aggressive Akita. I had one of those dogs put me in the hospital before.

I run a dog rescue group, we dont tolorate mean dogs. We break them of it before they leave our doors and go into other families. The breeds we work the most with are Rotties, pits, akitas, huskie, and mastiffs.
>> Jo
>>162743
used to run, my family no longer runs it.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>162743
>> Anonymous
>>162743

Seconded.
>> Jo
>>162704
Dogs dont learn as quickly from positive reinforcement. They do, but if you dont punish the bad behaviour they will still do it. Duh. They are like children.
>> Anonymous
>>162758

As you may have noticed, this retarded husky lover also don't understand that dogs don't do mixed messages well. Not punishing the dog for biting the other man's dog or the man, allowing the dog to growl because 'he's only just playing'... why do we get retards like this on /an/ so often?
>> Jo
>>162762
he seems like a PETA fag.
>> Anonymous
>>162763

Or god forbid... a furry that gets yiffed regularly by his Noble Intelligent Creatures.
>> jo
>>162768
fucking fag. must not be able to get reall ass. maybe they like the rough stuff, could be why he still lets the dog be aggressive.
>> Anonymous
From what you are saying, it seems that your teaching method is: 1) take treat away. 2) if dog growls, give it back. 3)dog is rewarded by having his food returned and will continue to growl. You think this is a good thing. 4)when you really need to take something away from your dog and he finds growling doesn’t work that time, he bites you. You are still grateful he growled first.

Although you say you advocate teaching your dog to not mind when his food is taken, it seems like with your method it’ll take a long time to get to that point. Yes, you should teach your dog to look not mind you handling his stuff by rewarding him with something better or giving it back if he’s not aggressive, but when he growls, you’re doing the exact same thing. If your dog decides he actually likes what he has then, you’re fucked.

>>162704
And what happened here? A guy tries to defend his dog (why were you letting your dog run around in a dog park if you know it doesn't play nice away?)and you claim he's being an idiot because your dog has sharp teeth and you could have stopped your dog with a single command. There are two fallacies with this train of thought. One, if the dog's teeth were so sharp, that guy obviously didn't want it attacking his dog. Two, what could that guy have done? Sat around like a pussy until the asshat who let his aggressive dogs run around at a dog park finally got over and broke it up? For all he could have known, his dog could have been injured in the time it took to look for you. Blah, blah, blah, your dog was just nipping, but you've said it's a scary looking dog, so that guy could have assumed the worst.

If your dog is growling at you to get its way, it obviously doesn’t respect OR fear you. It just thinks you’re an idiot he can intimidate.
>> Jo
>>162792
I would have hit the dog too if that was me.
The dog should not have been loose to begin with.
>> Anonymous
Wow so much to say here.

>>Nope, just more independent than most breeds to not give a crap about holding it back. What ever makes you think they're more of a predator than others?

I never said they were #1. Just that they have a very high one.

>>If YOU'RE the one backing away when your dog is growling, you're letting the dog control you and getting away with showing aggression to you. Growling IS showing aggression. The dog is threatening you. And you're letting the dog get away with it. You're showing the dog you're afraid of the threats it's making. GOOD GOING.

Uh no, that's not how it works.

>>When a dog is growing it's not fucking threatening you? It's not being aggressive? I bet your "work to remove the aggression" revolves solely around YOU tiptoeing around the damn dog.

Wrong, both me and anyone else in the world can now take the treats away from it without giving him anything back for it. Nobody has to tiptoe around it, my training makes it so that they never show any aggression to anyone, ever, no matter what.
>> Anonymous
>>Dogs dont learn as quickly from positive reinforcement. They do, but if you dont punish the bad behaviour they will still do it. Duh. They are like children.

Yes, they may not learn as quickly. However, negative reinforcement in my experience has never been a true fix to the problem. I've never seen a dog with negative reinforcement that is as obedient as my dogs are in all circumstances.

>>From what you are saying, it seems that your teaching method is: 1) take treat away. 2) if dog growls, give it back. 3)dog is rewarded by having his food returned and will continue to growl. You think this is a good thing. 4)when you really need to take something away from your dog and he finds growling doesn’t work that time, he bites you. You are still grateful he growled first.

Nope, anyone can take anything away from my dogs now, no matter how high value of the treat. His favorite toys, his favorite foods, etc. Even a 12 year old has taken away stuff right out of his mouth and he did not even care.

>>And what happened here? A guy tries to defend his dog

Do you guys not even know how dogs play? I don't know what world you live in where dogs frolick in the yards, doing nothing but sniffing each other, never wrestling and nipping each other. Dogs bite. If it bothers the other dog, they will yelp, cry, etc. The other dog was not bothered. The way he plays, he has played with the other 2000000000 people in the dog park. There's no pressure at all behind his bites.

Only in retarded-land do you ever hit a dog you don't even know. If you don't like a dog biting yours, just calmly talk to the owner. That's all it takes. Your dog was not getting hurt in any way, shape, or form. The other dog did not even blink at what he was doing.

When I go to husky gatherings, all the dogs there are much worse. It's like a fucking war. That's just how they play.
>> Anonymous
>>162795

It was a dog park you moron. He had been there 1 million times before this. And everyone loves how well mannered, obedient he is. Of course he's going to be off leash in a dog park. The guy was a moron for hitting him, and he got bitten for it. The dog, since then, has been trained out of biting people when getting hit. You could beat him to a bloody pulp and he'd not care.

I would love to see you guys get away with hitting other dogs in a dog park. Oh wait, that involves actually going out of your house. My bad! Around here that's just asking to get banished from the park. If, on the other hand, he just asked me not to let my dog near his dog, I would have said OK and left/moved to a different area of the park.

If I refused and was a bitch about it, I would have gotten kicked out.
>> Anonymous
>>162821
:facepalm:
Saying "one of the highest prey drive dogs there are" IS saying that the vast majority of other dogs don't have a predatory instinct as high. I wouldn't rank them all that high when actual hunting breeds come into the equation. And yes, I do have experience both with huskies and hunting breeds like laikas, Karelian beardogs, Finnish spitzes and various other hounds and spitzes...
>> Anonymous
long story short...if you talk to your dog in a stern voice and/or raise your hand to him, and his belly doesn't hit the ground with his tail between his legs then you have failed. You are not boss. You may be "his friend," but your "friend" is gonna be agressive if it's in his blood. And it won't be funny. If you have a shitty aggresive rat dog then it might be "cute," but if its a chow then he is gonna hurt somebody someday.
Dogs i've owned/own that have never showed aggression and live to please me: GSD, Dobie, mastiff, lab, all riased from puppies.
nb4 rescue...aggresive dogs shouldnt be rescued, they should be put down, there are too many nonagressive dogs that would live to please anybody they are introduced to getting put down every day for you to take home a dog with problems
>> Anonymous
>>162823

"And everyone loves how well man..." oh pooey, now if I haven't read that line every fucking time a dog attack is on the newspapers, it might gain a liiiiitle credibility.

You let your dog go around bite other dogs in a dog park in the first place. You knew there was a possibility and yet let the dog... oh forget it. There's no point in talking to a retarded moron like you. You obviously think that these godamn huskies of yours are so fucking intelligent they understand the concept of "differing situations" and other subtle human thought.

As for the other dog not giving a damn if someone beats the dog, well you missed the point there entirely. Your dog's supposed to CARE about the fact that it's being punished, and KNOW what it is. I personally don't care if your choice of punishment is beating the dogs, but you're not making yourself sound intelligent.
>> Anonymous
>>162828
I have a mastiff <3, not an angressive bone in her body, when she meets a kid she lays down so she's easier to pet :)
That said, one time she was out in the backyard and I came home really late smelling like beer and cigar, I was met at the gate by 170lbs of snarling ass dog, I have never shat brix like that before in my life, then the motion sensor kicked on and she saw who it was and was soooo sorry she growled at me i think her heart broke
...first and only time so far I have seen her supposed "guard dog breed" stuff in action, damn scary, if there is such a thing as a mean mastiff then fuck that shit
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>>162822
Positive reinforcement alone has rarely been a solution either. If you don't give your dog some feedback on his current behavior, he won't learn to improve it. Let's say for example, your dog is possessive of his food dish. You give him positive reinforcement when he behaves appropriately and lets you take it. However when he shows aggression or protests overmuch at you taking his food, you should give him some negative reinforcement. It doesn't have to involve smacking the dog around; you can just with-hold the food dish until he shuts up or correct him with a "no" and give him another command.

>>Nope, anyone can take anything away from my dogs now, no matter how high value of the treat. His favorite toys, his favorite foods, etc. Even a 12 year old has taken away stuff right out of his mouth and he did not even care.

When my dog was a little puppy, he really loved his food. If I reached for his food dish, he'd freeze or growl a little. So I'd take it away and lightly bop him on the nose. When he calmed down and had done some stupid tricks for me (just to make sure he wouldn’t think growling is what got the dish returned), I would return his food dish with some extra food in it. I was 13 when I trained him. It took about three days for him to sit politely when anyone took his food away and wait for it to be returned for exchanged for, and didn’t complain even when I pried his jaws open to get out whatever weird crap he had found. Granted, he was a puppy when I started training him and posed little physical threat, but I’m not afraid to correct my dog even after he became 70 lbs.
>> Anonymous
>>g story short...if you talk to your dog in a stern voice and/or raise your hand to him, and his belly doesn't hit the ground with his tail between his legs then you have failed.

Did you not read the part where all I had to say was HALT, and he planted his button the ground disregarding all other distractions around him.

>>Dogs i've owned/own that have never showed aggression and live to please me: GSD, Dobie, mastiff, lab, all riased from puppies.

I've never had a dog that I raised from puppy that showed any aggression to me either. Raising a puppy, while a sleepless and tiring affair, is far easier than reconditioning a older dog.


>>You let your dog go around bite other dogs in a dog park in the first place.

Have you ever been to a dog park where dogs did not bite? I have never, in the 20 years I've raised dogs, watched them play, went to dog parks, etc seen a group of dogs that did not bite.

Biting is not always aggressive. It's playing. Dogs play by biting. Is this really a difficult concept to understand? Do you really live in a place where all the dogs are labradors devoid of any playful spirit? Then I feel sorry for the dogs.

My dogs don't bite in aggression. The dog that bit the owner, I never even knew that he would bite if gotten hit. Because you know, I've never had to hit them. I just fix the problem, and instead of making them feel bad and scared of me, I make them associate things with postive feelings. That guy was the first, and only, time in my life I've met someone stupid enough to hit someone else's dog.
>> Anonymous
>>nb4 rescue...aggresive dogs shouldnt be rescued, they should be put down, there are too many nonagressive dogs that would live to please anybody they are introduced to getting put down every day for you to take home a dog with problems

I train dogs because I enjoy doing it, not because I have some higher motive of saving all the dogs in the world. I couldn't give a rats ass if there's some eager to please dependent dog that wants a home being put down. I prefer independent dogs, and I train the parts where they are rough around the edges.
>> Anonymous
>>162841

I'm the guy everyone hates in this thread, the "omg huskys r intelligenter!!" guy.

What you do is basically what I do. I don't consider that bad at all. Hitting or physically intimidating/threatening your dog is what I think is ridicilous. Taking away the food bowl when they show aggression and giving it back when they calm down is a postive method to do it.

I have no disagreements at all with you.
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>>Do you guys not even know how dogs play?
My friend’s dogs were all very mellow and used just like to chase or be chased by other dogs, and tackle each other, so when I got mine, I assumed they’d usually be like that. Mine ended up being a mouth wrestler, but he seemed to be an exception, at least at my dog park. Not everyone brings their dogs to husky gatherings or enjoys roughhousing with their dog. It’s easy for a new dog owner to misinterpret playbiting as real biting. Yeah, he had no right to train your dog (especially if he was inexperienced), but unless he was giving the dog a real beating (as in not just lightly smacking it), it should not have bit him. If your dog is very head-sensitive, he shouldn’t be running off-leash where there are a lot of other people and dogs. Use common sense. Just because it’s a dog park doesn’t mean it’s okay to let a large, aggressive dog run around off-leash.

Yes, it would have been better if he had been able to get you to stop your dog, but since dog’s aren’t connected to owners by leashes, it’s not immediately obvious who owns the dog or if they’re even close by. >>Everyone loves how well mannered, obedient he is.
Maybe this was this guy’s first time here and he didn’t know. Maybe you’re just an asshole with an inflated sense of worth. Maybe your dog is obviously being well-mannered to you, but people who don’t know your dog assume it’s aggression. When this guy was bitten, he probably did not think of your dog as being well-mannered. And also, if this guy was hitting, your dog, why didn’t you stop him after the first time? Where you off on the other side of the park? If you know your dog bites without warning, you should be keeping a close eye on it at all times anyway.
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>>162846
How kind of you to respond so quickly! I had one more puppy picture to share.

I'm afraid I still have several disagreements with you. Maybe I had just gotten the sense that the positive reinforcement meant absolutely no correction; that is, if your dog is quiet when you take his food dish, give him extra, but never withhold it or verbally correct him if he's misbehaving. I consider those negative reinforcement, or at least not positive. Maybe we just use different definitions. But I also think it's okay to physically correct your dogs. Obviously there are times when it's stupid and pointless (hitting your dog three hours after it pisses on your carpet isn't going to teach it anything, but feeding it after it doesn't isn't enough either). But if my dog is growling at a stranger, I'm going to stop him, even if it means smacking him to get his attention or holding his mouth shut until the fur on the back of his neck doesn't stand up.

Another thing; my dog's actual feelings come second to whether he is showing them. If I take he food dish away, he knows that he's not going to get it back unless he is a model pet, and maybe even not then. If he's happy to get his food dish taken away because he thinks there'll be extra food, that's great, but what matter to me is that he isn't possessive and he doesn't bite strangers.

And I still don't agree with letting your dog run loose before you've corrected the bites without warning problem. If your dog bites after you taught it not to growl, you probably did something wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>162841
swissy? nice. docked tail?

I dont have any problems with husky guy so you can stop the line by line defense, we're all anon so whatever man, say desu desu and live your life and love your dog

though huskies are by their nature fail dogs until they are 13 years old and broken down like old horses; high prey drive, run away everytime they get the chance, jump 6 foot fences, dig under 10 foot fences, either need a huge fenced yard or get walked forever each day. If I was an insanely outdoor active young person or young couple with no desire for kids within the next 10 years would be the only way I would get a husky, yes they are so pretty but like you said they suck for most people so they end up in shelthers, and just FYI: sucking for most people=fail. Though if somebody were to give me a 13 year old husky with barely the will to live left anymore then I would take the cute little cuddle bunny in a second
>> Anonymous
He is not head sensitive. He got backhanded right into the nose. Twice. The first tine I was nearby but only saw it in the corner of my eye so I thought I saw wrong. I was watching my other husky. The guy knew it was my dog to begin with. It was his first time, or at least the first time with me around as I'm there nearly every day for at least two hours.

Kids kiss him on the nose. Adults wrestle him. He has been manhandled so much that if someone was going to be bitten, it would have happened by now. I don't take aggressive dogs to the dog park. Aggressive humans should not take themselves to the dog park either, for that matter.

I am more than willing to bet I could get any of your dogs to bite me too if I wanted it to. The other day I saw the gentlest golden retreiver in the world turn to a vicious dogfighter in the blink of anj eye because someones herding dog was constantly nipping at his feet every single day for hours. Every dog has a tolerance limit.

Mine didn't tolerate being backhanded into the nose hard enough to yelp twice.

This is a dog that showed zero aggression before this other than his food aggression.

Now, I said this already a few times. I have no problem at all when someone doesn't want their dog roughhoused. In our dog park we usually keep the calm large dogs and the playful rough dogs separate. I've had people ask me not to let mine roughhouse theirs many times, that doesn't always mean biting. Some don't like wrestling, or herding, and so on. I respect that and keep my dog away from theirs, and they do the same.
>> Anonymous
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worst dog or worst dog EVAR!
>> Anonymous
I think you misunderstood me. The biting without warning problem is something I've only heard other trainers dealing with, and I've only heard it happening to intelligent breeds. My dog only did that when I was teaching him to get along with cats, he doesn't bite without warning to humans. That was the only time he has ever bitten someone or showed aggression outside of food, it is pretty big stretch to think I could have known he would bite when a stranger hits him hard in the nose twice.

Also, yes huskies are horrible dogs for most people. It makes me cringe every time someone tells me they want a husku. You have to be a very different kind of owner to have a husky. Otherwise you will end up with a black hole of destructiveness, independence, and fast.

While huskies appear to run away all the time, I believe its because of their nomadic instinct to roam. Every time one of mine ran off, I would find it wandering around hours later looking for me wondering how he lost me. They have no homing sense.
>> Anonymous
And the reason I'm so against physical disclipine of dogs is, my uncle lost his thumb trying to do that to a chow. I've known so many trainers from the 70s and 80s when physical punishment, horrible electric collars (not to be confused with the modern ones) and so on getting sent to the hospital doing so. Sure, most dogs wouldn't do it, but there are enough where I would never risk it.
>> Anonymous
husky dude, we don't care anymore, or at least we didn't but then
>>While huskies appear to run away all the time, I believe its because of their nomadic instinct to roam. Every time one of mine ran off, I would find it wandering around hours later looking for me wondering how he lost me. They have no homing sense

NB4 shitstorm again
>> Anonymous
You don't care, not we don't care. When "we" don't care, the thread will die on its own.

I have no clue how that could cause a shitstorm. Training methods are one thing, but the siberian instinct to roam is so well documented?? But uh, okay.
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>> Anonymous
My dog does when i try and put drops in his eyes and cut his toenails...
>> Anonymous
My chihuahua only growls at me if I pick him up while he's sleeping 'cause he gets cranky. :D
>> Anonymous
I think a lot of people are confused about what negative and positive reinforcement are.

Positive reinforcement: is an increase in the likelihood of a behavior due to the addition of a reinforcer after a behavior. Giving (or adding) food to a dog contingent on its remaining in a sitting position for a specified length of time is an example of positive reinforcement (if this increases the likelihood of the dog sitting in the future).

Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment. They are very different, however.

Negative Reinforcement: strengthens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.

Punishment, on the other hand, weakens a behavior because a negative condition is introduced or experienced as a consequence of the behavior.

Just thought I'd clear that up, as some people are saying "Negative Reinforcement" when they clearly mean "Punishment"
>> Anonymous
>>162970
err, i'm kind of confused. when my dog doesn't bark and he avoids getting slapped, that would be negative reinforcement, but when he does bark and i follow through with the slap, that's punishment right? if im really off could you give another example?
>> Anonymous
>>162443
Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to own animals.
>> Anonymous
>>163194

Why, because I can competently train him out of his food aggressiveness? Yeah, I should never own a dog.
>> Anonymous
>>163189

Negative reinforcement is more like one of the other posters say. It does not involve abuse. For instance, a dog is barking at you when it is time to feed it. You refuse to feed it until he settles down. Over time, the behavior of waiting for his food is reinforced by the negative of not getting food until he is calm. Punishment, on the other hand, would be hitting it until he shut up.
>> Anonymous
punch your dog in the balls to show dominance. if it has no balls hit it the skull with a hammer.

One of these should stop it from growling.

if they do not you need a large cache of explosives.
>> Anonymous
The reason a dog growls or barks at you (in an obviously threatening way; there are times when its playing and/or them 'talking') can be because of many reasons. They might be food aggressive (don't touch their food), or it might be because they're testing dominance (i.e. disobeying a command where they normally complied). If they're testing your dominance, show them whose boss. And don't be a pussy about it. I handle dogs for a living, and if a dog tries to push it or attempts to bite me, I have no qualms what-so-ever about smacking the shit outta it (punching them hard on the top of their head works best; smacking their mouth leaves you open to get bitten). Like humans, dominance is best and most quickly established through liberal use of force (but don't be abusive about it. Its important not to permanently harm the dog, only to make it hurt for at least a few hours). Dogs can't speak, but they do understand pain, and what it means (at least when ur not a dumbass and like to hit them for no reason).
>> Anonymous
>>163644
I smell troll. Nice try.
>> Anonymous
my dog does when I clean his ears. T_T
>> Anonymous
I knew a rottweiler bitch that was the sweetest thing ever. She just had this bad habit of growling for nothing. It wasn't for aggression or play, just sort of "Aw, you're scratching my belly, ain't that nice." Scared my gf shitless on their first encounter. She was very apprehensive and scared of some breeds, rotties included. Imagine an 80-lbs hunk of muscle climbing on her lap as she's sitting on the sofa and as she's just gathered up the courage to scratch it, it starts to growl... :D