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Anonymous
Are they really THAT vicious as the media describes them to be?
>> Anonymous
OP.

I meant, are PITBULLS really that vicious/dangerous?
>> Anonymous
bad trainer + bad environment + not enough social interaction = bad any dog
>> Anonymous
I have never, NEVER, seen a mean one personally. The worst I've ever seen one do was snap at me when I was eight years old, but that's because she was trying to sleep and I was pulling on her ears. And she didn't even bite! Just snapped her teeth at me to say "Hey, knock it off".

>>249097is dead fucking right. You train a dog to be vicious, and the dog's going to be fucking vicious, doesn't matter if it's a Pitbull, a Doberman, or a Chihuahua (pardon my horrible spelling on the last one)
>> Anonymous
When raised in a good environment they are the sweetest dogs i have ever seen.

But if they are raised in a bad place, or with a bad owner...

They can be quite bad.

so as someone already said, it all depends on how and where they are raised.
>> Anonymous
>>249095

Yes, they are. The bleeding hearts who talk about pit bulls being raised in a "good environment" are blissfully ignorant - just like a "stable home" is nonexistent in reality, there is no such thing as an ideal "good environment" out there for every single fucking dog. It's fiction, pure and simple.

Pit bulls are vicious dogs, and they require special training in order to be a companion dog. While it is true that they're not as prone to bite without warning as the Maltese or as aggressive as the GSD, pit bulls have the nasty combination of being stupid as fuck, aggressive and disobedient to boot. The fact that the majority of pitbull breeders are rednecks who think inbreeding keeps the blood pure doesn't help either. Oh, and when they bite? They'll never let go. That's the one faint remaining trace of bulldog in their blood.

Pit bulls are bred to be vicious dogs, and are prized for their vicious qualities. Seriously, when you buy a dog for the purpose of it being a "guard dog" - you are teaching the dog to be aggressive against other humans. You're not insuring yourself against some sort of massive rabid flood of nutria.
There is no such thing as a pit bull therapy dog. Need I say more?
>> Anonymous
>>249107
you are right and you also are saying that it depends on the owner (training)

I wouldn't take any pure breed dog anyways. But i surely do not recomment dogs such as this pitbull, steffordshires or german shepperds as a family dog.
If you leave them alone with your kids, they maybe see your children as antagonist in their family ranking and will attack them. like a german sheppard did in Germany a couple years ago. He killed the two year old boy of a family and started to eat him...

There are way more adorable and easier holdable breeds than pittbulls, so take one of those if you need a family dog.
>> Anonymous
>>249112

Well, given that the vast majority of dog owners all around the world have never even had their dogs SMELL the flyer that advertises obedience training courses, I would say the pit bull is in its own special class of being dumb and vicious. The fact that it needs special training just to act like a normal family dog should put off anyone. Mind you, this is the same with Huskies though.
>> Anonymous
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the thing w/ pits is (and other guard/fighting breeds) that they require a firm hand and dominant owner. if ur week they can pick up on it. if ur a strong person u can have the best dog in a put (i work in a kennel and ive met my fair share) there amazing animals and they make awesome pets... if u know dogs and can keep on them w/ there training
>> Anonymous
>>249149

But thats with almost any dog. Since dogs (unlike kitty cats) are pack animals they have a social structure. Alpha and pack members. And if you give a dog enough lee-way the dog can suddenly see you as a mere pack memeber and act accordingly. Some breeds more then others but it's all the same mentallity.
>> Anonymous
Pitbull are shitty dogs, but their owners are even worse.
Just ear them talk, and that's like they are the best owners of the world, and their doggy is faaaaaar better trained than other dogs, because they are soooo much better.
Fucking elitists.
>> Anonymous
>>249156

Between pitbull and husky owners, who do you think are the more stuck up elitist fags?
>> Anonymous
>>249156
While they can be annoying, they are doing that to better the image of pitbulls.

Which I salute them for.
>> Anonymous
100 reply thread incoming
>> sage Anonymous
>>249112
bullshit, my family has 3 German Shepards all as family pets and we've never had so much as a growl.

Saging this shit before I answer even more trolls.
>> Anonymous
On a side note huskys can be rather stupid. But not mean
>> Zerachiel
I work for a pet store, and dogs come in all the time, especially Pit Bulls. There is no such thing as a vicious breed. Period. There are dogs bred for fighting, there are dogs that are raised to attack, and yes, there are dogs that are genetically superior for those purposes.

However, I personally, have never met a single innately mean Pit Bull, German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or Doberman. However, I have met several nasty Chihuahuas though. I can't stand how people criticize all these other breeds for "being a vicious breed" but when 60+% Chihuahuas are only nice to one person, and act skittish and snappy to others, people laugh and joke about it. Seems like a double-standard, just because a Chihuahua is small.
>> Zerachiel
I'd like to say right out before I say this, I'm not racist or anything. In my experience, the vast majority of people that come into the store buying things for a Bully Breed dog are African American, and many of them know very little about the dogs they're buying. It's become a combination of a necessary home defense tool, status symbol, and overall method of intimidation amongst low-class (who are unfortunately mostly African American) families in the area, and I doubt that my area is the only place like it.

People that sell Bullys need to inform people of what it really takes to take care of them, and to ensure that they don't turn on people or other animals, and maybe do a background check on their clients, and there'll be a lot less problems. Many of the dogs in shelters around here are sweet abandoned Pit Bulls as well, so clearly people are letting these dogs go, likely due to cost issues (they eat a shitload); and then people wonder why there are packs of wild Bullys eating people's Maltese and whatnot in the area.

Completely irresponsible owners screwed up the breeds reputation, not the breed itself. I'll admit that it's a good idea to never let your toddler or new puppy play unattended with a Bully breed, but the same can be said of ANY pet. One of them is likely to get hurt. It's just that many of these situations are made more dangerous with Bullys because they are more physiologically/genetically built and bred for taking down large animals with their jaws.
>> Anonymous
>>249204
WHY YOU BEIN RACIST
>> Anonymous
OP here.

Thanks for your comments, could somebody comment on their psychological nature and their physical abilities
>> Anonymous
>>249203
Lol'd

There is a "stupid crime story" I recall reading wherein a probation officer showed up to check on a hooligan, and the hooligan set his five dogs, all Chihuahuas, on the cop. They gnawed his ankles something fierce and he had to seek treatment (probably tetanus shots) at the local ER.
>> Anonymous
yes, they are

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

1982 to 2006 sorted by breed: Attacks Doing Bodily Harm

Pit bull terrier: 1108
the next highest one is Rottweiler at 409
following that are wolf hybrids at 71
then it just gets into the single digits
>> Anonymous
my brothers got one of these, and he's not low class or african american like one poster says, hes a cop, and honestly, the dog is the nicest ive ever met, i cant see it ever being mean.
>> Anonymous
Yes. For most of them it is just instinct and they stop once they realize what they are doing, but for those that don't its bloodlust.
>> Anonymous
>>249203
I own a long haired chihuahua and she is nice and friendly to everyone, going up to strangers wagging her tail to be petted :3
>> Anonymous
Yes and no. Like Rottweilers they were originally bred for respectable purposes, but for decades have been bred for characteristics that would be considered unsuitable for companion animals by irresponsible rednecks, gangbangers, drug dealers, and dog fighters. The big danger comes primarily when they're allowed to roam free or are untrained and kept in groups and they form packs.
>> Anonymous
>>249913

The question isn't about what the dog is like when the owner is present: the question is about what the dog is like when the owner ISN'T. The vast majority of vicious dog attacks happen when the dog is out of the owner's supervision.

Are you sure that the dog will be fine if your brother went away to pick up the milk?
>> Anonymous
The only dogs my grandmother's family has ever owned are beagles and pit bulls. Every single pit bull they've had has been a sweet and gentle family pet. I took care of a stray pitbull for a year as well, and he was a dopey, submissive goofball of a dog.
>>249107
Is talking bullshit; none of those dogs have ever needed "special training;" they were owned by an old woman, for crying out loud.

So why are pit bulls associated with a lot of attacks and dog fighting? Powerful jaws and muscular upper bodies. These physical traits make the breed very appealing to people who breed fighting dogs, or who are looking for a toughguy reputation. As mentioned by>>249204
people who are interested in rough handling or encouraging aggressive behavior are more likely to chose a powerful dog like pit bulls or rottweilers, so you're naturally going to see more attacks from their dogs.

If pointers became popular in the gangbanging crowd, you'd see pointers at the top of the dog bite list, because more shitty owners would be buying them.
>> Anonymous
>>249966

The majority of dog attacks don't happen to their OWNERS, dipshit. Just because "oh I or my family owned dog x and dog x was gentle" doesn't mean "oh yes I can set dog x upon a park full of children".

And both huskies and pit bulls require special training, dipshit. Look up all the breeders' websites. It'd be a pretty shitty breeder that doesn't recommend training.
>> B'gok
There are people who want to purvey ignorance like eugenics by attempting to normalize it in the "culture" using the media.

They are still hardwired to do dog stuff, and can be dangerous, but there are nasty chihuahuas out there too.
>> Anonymous
>>249970
The majority of dog attacks don't happen to their owners, but it's the owners who influence the dog's behavior by allowing it to behave aggressively towards strangers, small children, etc. It doesn't matter WHO the dog attacks, but if you look at dogs with a history of aggression and the type of people who own them, there's a pretty clear correlation.
>> Anonymous
>>249971
lol, fail. Eugenics is the social philosophy which advocates the fostering and discouraging of the proliferation of select genes through intervention IN HUMANS. It's still the base philosophy of organizations such as Planned Parenthood. If you don't know what the fuck a word means don't try impressing people on an anonymous board by throwing it out there.

And no, the encouragement or discouragement of innate behavioral characteristics through breeding isn't some myth. Even large hounds make for shit herding dogs because, for one thing, they're not as prone to 'bumping'.
>> Anonymous
they were bred to kill shit and they did a very good job.

that being said, all dogs can be assholes and bite shit.

but pitbulls they require special training.
>> Anonymous
>>249095
Depends on how they're raised.

Actually, I live in TN and several months ago there was a stray pit bull wandering around. It was obvious the poor thing had been in fights, but I'll be damned if he wasn't the sweetest dog ever. A guy just happened to be over at our house working on taking a dead tree out of our backyard, and he offered to take the dog home with him and adopt it.
>> B'gok
>>250149

Eugenics is also the term used in selective breeding using genetic traits deemed "superior" by people who falsely claim personality and character are genetic, there is no freedom of behavioral choice and that they are superior by birth because of genetics. Mainly because they have fucked up their souls so bad they need to hide it with that bullshit.

Like with your idiot rant projecting your mental fuckuppery in some hope you can make a false impression of in this case intelligence by attacking someone for shock value attention.

BTW I have been using this handle for a while, "anonymous"...
>> Anonymous
>>250196
>Eugenics is also the term used in selective breeding using genetic traits deemed "superior" by people who falsely claim personality and character are genetic, there is no freedom of behavioral choice and that they are superior by birth because of genetics.

lol. The fact that there are more dumb-fucks like you out there who misuse words they don't fully grasp and equate a definition with its connotation doesn't make it correct. And still, the term doesn't apply to animals. It's a sociological term, not one of biology or behavioralism. And nobody said you just started using the name, but perhaps you should consider changing it as people understandably associate it with the verbose rantings of an ignorant dimwit.
>> Anonymous
>>249095
No. Its all about the owners.
>> Anonymous
The problem with the media is that they want you to believe in and feel strongly about the things they do. There is an agenda behind it.

When a pitbull attacks somebody it's all over the news, "PIT BULL ATTACK" in the headline and all. When another dog attacks somebody either the breed isn't mentioned, mentioned breifly in the article, or the story isn't in the news at all.

Another problem with the existing statistics for dog bites is that a LOT of people don't even know what a pit looks like, so a lot of stray dogs and mixes get lumped in with that pitbull stat. Look up some results from the temperament testing society. Pits test a little bit better than average in temperament tests generally scoring better than Border Collies, Corgis, King Charles Spaniels, Cocker Spaniels, Dalmations, Golden Retreivers and several other breeds.
>> Anonymous
here's all you need to know:

they are a terrier. a large terrier with a still prevalent history of dog aggression. good in single pet homes almost always and then depending on the dog and its breeding, add children cats or other dogs when needed.

all i have to say in the human comapionship test that determines how loving and loyal a breed of dog is to a human counterpart, pitbulls scored higher than golden retreivers.
>> B'gok
>>250211


Zat so?
>> B'gok
>>250263
Yes.
>> Anonymous
>>250263

Your immediate hostility and failed attempt at semantics as a distraction from the topic show your ignorance. And apparently I hit a nerve with the remark about morals, since you neither twisted that to make it sound like I said something I didn't or made any reference to it or any possible inaccuracies in that statement.

So what is it. You can tell us here. CP? Stalking anyone? A thief? We will listen.

So much for debate, just some troll who makes hit and run attacks anonymously on the internet.
>> B'gok
>>250270

Ham sandwiches
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
My one co-worker owns pitbulls. Some of the nicest dogs I've ever met. Big and dopey, but nice.
>> Anonymous
With enough training and discipline, they're a great breed. They need an owner that's willing to step up and be the alpha, though. Just like any breed, particularly large breeds.
>> Anonymous
>>250271
You're replying to yourself, or someone mocking you for being too stupid to use a tripcode?

>possible inaccuracies

Here's an example.

>there is no freedom of behavioral choice and that they are superior by birth because of genetics.

Eugenics philosophy is broad. Again, Eugenics is the social philosophy which advocates the fostering and discouraging of the proliferation of select genes through intervention IN HUMANS. There may be some who believe that behavior is entirely or predominantly hardwired, but the belief that fetuses should be screened for terminal hereditary illnesses and aborted is also a form of eugenics and has nothing to do with behavioralism. The pseudo-scientific application of eugenics was used as an excuse to do terrible things during the early 20th century but so were the theory of natural selection and Christianity; the connotation derived as a result is not the same as the genuine definition.

And I wasn't, and still aren't, defending Eugenics as a good or useful sociological philosophy. I was calling you out on misusing a term that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand and trying to use its negative connotations to advance the completely unrelated, idiotic claim that behavior in dogs is in no way innate, as if the only real difference between a german shephard and a grey wolf is physiological. What do you think it means for an animal to be domesticated?

And you're accusing me of being a pedophile and stalker for calling you out for being a faux-intellectual who doesn't know what he's talking about? Let me guess, you're a scientologist, right?
>> Anonymous
>>250287
Internets r very srs business to this anon.
>> Anonymous
>>250287
lol.

TIME FOR A SEC CHECK!
>> Anonymous
pitbulls:

big trolls or biggest trolls?
>> Anonymous
>>249107
You are terribly uneducated. The pitbull is bred to be DOG aggressive. They are not bred to be human aggressive. When used in a fight they have to be conscious enough of their human handlers in order for a fight to be broken up. Obviously you have never owned a pitbull to know that they are often loving family pets. Any dog has the potential to be vicious if raised in certain conditions.
>> Anonymous
>>250467
I've seen plenty of pit bulls, even intact males, who were cowed by my fairly friendly female black lab mix.

I can't tell you how often some burly tattooed guy, chainsmoking, comes over to me in the dog park to complain "Hey, your [friendly female Lab mix] is keeping my [intact male pit bull] from getting any of the tennis balls."

I think that's because most pit bulls are just not that aggressive.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>250474"I think that's because most pit bulls are just not that aggressive."
Not that aggressive towards *female* (opposite sex) dogs. Also - It's safe to assume that most dogs at dog parks are owned by people who give half a shit about the wellbeing/stability of their pets.
I can wholeheartedly agree with the people who say the owners are FULLY responsible for their dog's actions and the subsequent effect. However, genetics still play the greatest part in their behavior, and sometimes, even when well socialized these dogs can't get along with other same sex dogs. It's up to the owner to successfully work around this.

I once owned Staffy/Dobermann/Bull Terrier mixes and while all of them were the sweetest kittens to us, they simply could not stand any same sex dogs. Male/female mixing however went fine most of the time.
This happens to many judges and breeders I talked to as well.
What I'm saying is: Both owners and dogs are responsible for the outcome of their behavior. It can be positive or negative, but both play an important role. Pits in general may not require special training, but they do require an owner with a stable mind/character.
An unstable Chihuahua is far less dangerous and some dogs are more tolerant to human-trash owners.
>> Anonymous
I FIX DOGS

I TRAIN PEOPLE

I AM THE DOG WHISPERERER
>> Anonymous
well, frankly i mainly hear the "the dogs are automatically vicious" side use little other than parroting, whereas i hear more testimonials with the "only if you train them to be" crowd, the impression i get is the already stated point that the reputation mainly comes from how most of the people buying those dogs intend to make them vicious.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
There are lots of dogs all over my town and I don't recall seeing the pitbulls behave any differently than any other sort of dog. Some dogs are more dominant than others but they tend to respond in the same way to training or lack thereof.