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canine skull? Anonymous
Does anyone know what kind of canine this skull belongs to? I found it by the river, and I've compared it to a Golden Retriever skull that I'm currently cleaning and they're vastly different. I'll post more pictures.
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Anyone? D: Sorry if this is annoying, I'm just really curious. I've not seen a skull like this in the canine family, but maybe it's just a mix breed?
>> Anonymous
It might've just been a dog with a mutation.
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>>284918
it's not annoying, it's really fucking cool. i just don't know what it could be, maybe a bigger dog like a mastif or st. bernard.
>> Anonymous
That's what I was thinking o_o Cause I've looked through several different breeds skulls and none have that odd gap in the jaw. It's fangs are much larger than a retriever's as well. It's cool, whatever it was, and it looks as if it had a very powerful bite.
>> Anonymous
I don't think that's a canine skull; in the gap between the primary canines, are there any holes with which teeth could have been? I've compared the skull to 30 different breeds so far, and none of them have that gap.
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>>284932
No, I have another post lingering either on this page or the next of that gap. That's what's baffling me, but everything else looks like the Retriever skull, like it belongs to the canine family, but I just can't think of what else it could be. There aren't many things it could be in Oklahoma.
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>>284934
You know, it looks like it could be an Herbivore Skull, as they do have that gap. The skull i've provided is an example.
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>>284932
Heres the other picturehttp://zip.4chan.org/an/src/1217461929799.jpg
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>>284935
There's absolutely no herbivore teeth in the jaw. Perhaps an omnivore?
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>>284939
So the teeth are for shearing and shreading? Or are they flattened at all? I'll start checking some omnivores out.
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>>284939
These are herbivore teeth, by the way.
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>>284945
Yes, for shearing, tearing, ripping flesh, but there are 2 molars that are slightly flat, but don't all carnivores have molars?
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>>284953
But no molars in the jaw
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>>284953
Hmm those cheekbones are really wide, generally representing something that has a high bite force. This complicates it a bit. So far the omnivores I've looked at are a no go. I wish I had more knowledge in this field, other than being a bone enthusiast haha.
>> Anonymous
It reminds me of the skull of a black bear or some type of broad breed of dog, but usually the gap isn't so pronounced. Check the areas carefully to make sure squirrels didn't gnaw it out for calcium.

My vote is hellhound. You should probably move.
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>>284960
The overall structure doesn't really match a black bear.
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Typical Omnivore (Badger)
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Typical Carnivore
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Annd herbivore.
The teeth you showed definately have carnivore characteristics, but the shape is more herbivore. I'm starting to think mutation.
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>>284962
The skull isn't shaped like that.
Hell, even I'm about to agree with the Hellhound vote. Oklahoma is kind of hell to live in.
Really though, maybe it's something extinct? That would be freaking awesome. It's so old that the calcium is starting to deteroate now. We have a buffalo skull thats 30 years old an not even in this bad of condition.
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>>284965
Maybe it's a sign that mother nature is about to kick our ass by turning the sweet and cuddly herbivores into something that'll tear your arm off.

Or maybe it's just a really inbred dog that belongs here in the south u_u
>> Anon
>>284953
Looking at this pic, there appears to be pock marks on the area behind the lower canine tooth that'd indicate teeth were once there. Pic's a little blurry to see, so that might be a trick of the lighting.
>>284956
The front part of the lower jaw looks like it was either diseased or chewed on.
The fact that you mentioned it's really decayed would point to the possibility that the tooth holes might have decayed enough to appear smooth, the gap looks oddly shaped to me. And if you had critters chewing on it...which they like to do. Well..
To me it looks like a big breed mutt. So finding an exact match might be pushing it a bit. Not uncommon for a stray to end up in the river, especially old, ready to die ones.
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>>284984
I've studied that gap very close, even tapped on it with scissors in that area to see if any bone would crumble away to reveal holes, but it's just plain smooth, and there were no other teeth where I found it. I have two that aren't in their place cause I can't figure out if they go in the top or bottom where they wouldn't be able to go anyway with it so worn down, ando ther than that it's just missing one of the little canines before the big fangs.
>>284986
That skull with the red tag is almost exactly like it, only more enlongated.
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>>284989
The skull on the left is just a wolf that lost its teeth.
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>>284991
I know that it isn't what I have anyway, but it still looks very much like it.
I don't know what exactly this thing is, but my best guess is probably some inbred mutt belonging to some of the rednecks that live by the river and probably got hit by a truck. I could always go back and try finding the rest of the body, but that's too much work XD
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looks like gray wolf
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another gray wolf skull for comparison

google image search is your friend
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>>284993
By the way, this rotates to show all sides, its animated
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>>284993
>>284999
It's not a wolf skull. We don't have wolves in Oklahoma, not in this part (maybe in eastern). Just coyotes.
The wolf skull is too wide, mine is a lot more narrow and sharp. Also, theres still the fact is has that gap of no teeth that's symmetrical on the jaw and the skull. There's not even room for teeth the size of a wolf's to grow on the skull.
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>>284993
>>284999
The skulls of a lot of dog breeds look like grey wolf skulls because the domestic dog is derived from the grey wolf.
>> Anonymous
I'm being told it could be a small bear species. We have those in eastern, but that still doesn't make sense to me.
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>>284918
>>284929
>D:
>o_o

stop that.
>> Anonymous
It's a fucking dog with missing premolars. The sockets have either worn away or the teeth were lost in life and the bone was lost. After you lose teeth the bone resorbtion accelerates and there's significant bone loss unless you get implants. That's all it is.
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>>285013
Was posting here earlier. I compared the skull to all the skulls on this site http://boneroom.com/casts/bcanimal.html

and none of them matched any of the canines, felines, or bears.
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>>285017
No.
>>285019
Again, no. There is no room on the skull where teeth could have ever been. It's too narrow. If the teeth were lost and calcium filled in the spots, it would still be wide enough to show evidence that teeth were once there.
That picture is of a brown bear and it's remarkably similar to the skull. Perhaps it just never grew all of it's teeth. Some humans don't grow all of theirs, or grow too many, I'd assume wildlife could have the same problems.
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>>285024
>If the teeth were lost and calcium filled in the spots, it would still be wide enough to show evidence that teeth were once there.

Or the bone could have eroded due to periodontitis or been reabsorbed, which is why it's called 'bone loss'.
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>>285025
Then why is it symmetrical on the skull and the jaw?
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>>285024
You know what, I think it is a brown bear that did not fully form all of it's teeth.

Also, when a skull is Edentate (all the teeth were lost and the gums filled the socket) it is not symmetrical.
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>>285034
Continuing on tooth lost.

Here's a human edentate skull. All the teeth were lost sometime before death, and it is very smooth. However, it is not quite symmetric.
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>>285034
I think we have finally solved this mystery.
Kinda weird how similar canine and bear skulls are :o
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>>285040
:D no problem. I enjoy looking at and understanding bones as well, and for quite sometime before I moved to California, I used to love fashioning knives and jewelry out of found animal bones.

Now that I've said that aloud, it sounds kind of crazy.
>> Anonymous
>>285044
XD I think I sound a little creepy, being a girl with severe social anxiety that's starting a collection of skulls.
But, they're beautiful. We start from bones, and in the end that's all theres left of us. They might be dead, but they still have a story to tell. Or maybe that's just the artist in me.
Thank you all who helped with this, though <3 I'm excited now that I have a bear skull.
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>>285045
I think the movie Psycho may be right up your alley.
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>>285045
I think it's an artistic thing. I collect bones, and if I don't make them into jewelry, I keep them around to draw or paint. I've known alot of other artists that do it as well. What better reference than to have the real, actual thing?
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Wait... so it can't be a dog or wolf skull because it lacks premolars or the bone density for premolars, so that means its some massively deformed brown bear that never grew premolars? LOL, wut?
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>>285054
Tard.
It's some small subspecies of brown bear that is native to Oklahoma, not something like a Grizzly like that picture is.
It's a small brown bear that did not grow another couple of premolars. It probably was never a healthy bear, it has a cavity in one tooth that's just ridiculously huge. It most likely died a very long time ago, got washed away when the river wasn't dammed up, and when it did get dammed, it landed here and recently came unearthed.
Wildlife not growing all their teeth isn't unheard of. Just another oddity that sometimes happens.
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>>285071
>Wildlife not growing all their teeth isn't unheard of. Just another oddity that sometimes happens.

Then what makes you so sure it isn't a dog that didn't grow all its teeth? Instead you decide it's a small brown bear despite the fact that the muzzle is elongated, it's too narrow, the molars are set too far back and the uppers are too low, and it basically lacks all the things that would differentiate a bear skull from a wolf or dog skull.
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>>285073
Not all bear skulls look like that. Almost all of the ones I've been looking at are nowhere near that large.
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I photomaniped it to make it pretty for my Deviantart :3
>> Anonymous
I think it's a reef.
>> Anonymous
Any moron can tell it isn't a bear just by the shape of the eye socket.

Congratulations, you found a dead dog's skull.
>> Anonymous
i honestly dont think thats a dog skull. i work with tons of different breeds every day at my work (at a dog daycare/boarding/grooming facility) and i've never seen a dog with teeth that thick and big. even the larger breeds, they have thinner teeth that arent that heavy looking.
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Black bear skull.
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A dog skull.
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>>285097
And any moron can tell it's not a dogs skull from the shape of the jaw.
Why don't you people consider the shitloads of subspecies there are out there before making yourself look like an idiot? Really?

No, I don't know for 100% that this is a bear, it's about a 90% probability.
I have spent all day looking at skulls of dogs and bears, and there's not been one single breed or mutt that is anything like this. There are several that are SIMILAR that you people keep saying "oh it has to be this!" just because it has the general shape, but you aren't looking at the detail.
Look through the posts and the other pictures posted of the jaw and teeth. Not one breed of canine has that, only bears do.
ONLY bears have that type of jaw and similar skull structure. Stop looking at the large bear species, look for smaller brown bear skulls or just look at the pictures we've been posting and you'll see.
Bear skulls and canine skulls are very similar, but the distinct differences are there.

Yes, this is small to be a bear, but so what? Bears around here are small, and brown bears have a ton of subspecies that are very small. The eye socket can still very well be a bears, again, look for the smaller species.

Unless one of you can find me a picture of a dog that has that exact jaw structure and teeth, including the symmetrical gap and one tiny tooth after the canine, then the skull is a goddamn bear.
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Can anyone guess what this is?
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>>285134
Leopard seal?
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>>285137
Not even close.
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A pony?
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>>285146
Ponies don't have fangs, think smaller.
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Differences and similarities.
>> Demyx's Landmaster !!vjyCRKGc15d
>>285144
Is it something still existing, or extinct? I can't place the overall shape to anything living.
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>>285150
They're still around.
>> Demyx's Landmaster !!vjyCRKGc15d
>>285155
Some manner of mustelid?
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>>285158
nope
>> Demyx's Landmaster !!vjyCRKGc15d
>>285159
Damn it. I give up, what is it?
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>>285161
Opossum
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For fuck's sake, the skull in OP pic doesn't even have bear molars. It has wolf or dog molars and the same jaw structure/bite. That little tooth is the first premolar. All dogs should have them. It's a wolf or dog with missing teeth.

>>285097is right. Bears have that bit of bone growth over the 'cheek' comprising the eye socket and the skull is broader. It isn't a bear.
>> Demyx's Landmaster !!vjyCRKGc15d
>>285165
holy shit, I never would have guessed.
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>>285165
That's a Virginia Opossum, yet the picture of it's skull i Wikipedia looks somewhat different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Opossum_Skull.jpg
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>>285168
It probably looks different because the one in the picture I used is just a little guy, but the skull is from a full grown opossum.