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Cat bells Anonymous
Do cat bells have any purpose? my cat hates it and keeps trying to remove it
>> Anonymous
They let you know where your goddamned cat is.
>> Anonymous
Cat bells are usually attached to cats by mice.

Keeps them from sneaking up on them
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
No
>> Anonymous
Yeah, they serve to completely irritate a cat's fine hearing by constantly jingling every time the cat moves.
>> Swallow-It
Ppl put the bells on collars 4 different reasons mainly to find the cat when it breaks outside lol. The bell takes all there stealth ability if you don't need it on the cat take it off.
>> Anonymous
Most people who bell their cats do it because they want to let their cats outside but don't want the cats to kill everything in the damn yard. Supposedly, the jingling bell makes the cat a less efficient hunter and gives birds and small prey early warning. A clever cat will jst learn to work around it though.
>> Anonymous
>>120786
My cat ripped his collar off on the second day. I think he's killed over a dozen baby rabbits. He's beheaded a number of other small furry creatures as well, leaving the mutilated corpses where I walk.

I should take pictures and post them on friday.
>> Anonymous
>>120787

Indeed, post them
>> Anonymous
>>120786

I saw as show that showed the bells doesn't effect their hunting at all.

>>120787

Gifts
>> Anonymous
>>120807

Which I why I mentioned that a clever cat will work around it. It definitely works in some instances (very stupid or twitchy cats), but not all.

I am not an advocate of cat bells. I am an advocate of being a responsible pet owner and fucking keeping your cat indoors where he belongs.
>> Anonymous
>>120812

but indoor only cats are animal cruelty, its against nature
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I used a cat bell on my rabbit when he was acting up. He would chew through electrical cords or go to sleep under the leg rest of our recliners, so it was in his best interest for me to hear where he was.
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Ahhh, I meant to post this picture. I sometimes called my rabbit "Bucket" and got the filenames confused.
>> Anonymous
>>120814

It's a domestic animal, fuckstain, not a wild one. Cats do not belong outdoors.

I would list the 30 or so reasons why letting your cat outside is fucking cruel, but I am going to just assume that anyone who makes such an absurd and moronic statement as you just made is a troll.

The only crime against nature in this thread is the fact that the coathanger missed you.
>> Anonymous
>>120814

lol moron

people like you end up with dead cats
>> Anonymous
I wonder how off topic what I'm about to say is now but...

Yes, the purpose of cat bells are to annoy the hell out of you. My youngest cat would run down the halls with the bell on... I just took it off one night and threw it away.
>> Anonymous
>>120814
>>120820

Actually we should be running around grunting and throwing spears in order to catch food. Agriculture is a crime against nature but who cares now?

It is a crime against name to own an animal and it is a crime against nature to abuse it.

If you cat wants to go outside and there is minimal harm, then let it. Although, if you have a neighboor that'll ship your cats off to some far place because she's an absolute bitch then you shouldn't let them outside. I fucking hate her so much...

But back to cat bells... they're just a terrible idea to have if you have a hypercat because you'll be able to hear them crashing into things. If you have a cat that's calm then you can put it on if you wish.
>> Anonymous
>>120827

The problem is, most people fail to understand the concept of "minimal harm." There are a lot of dangerous things cats can run into when they are let out of doors:

*Diseases, such as heartworm (from mosquitoes), rabies, FIV (feline aids), and feline leukemia
*Fights with other small animals, which can lead to injuries and abscesses.
*Fights with larger animals, which can lead to severe injury or death
*Cars
*Cruel people or...
*People who deliberately harm your cat because the damn thing keeps coming into their yard and shitting/destroying plants/etc
*Poisoning, either intentional or unintentional
*Being picked up by animal control or people who think they are doing the "stray but friendly" cat a favor
*Parasites such as ticks, fleas, and ringworm. The latter is my favorite, because it is easily transmissible to humans, along with many tick diseases
*"Running away".... which typically means you cat has fallen prey to one of the lethal situations listed and you just don't know about it.

Did I forget anything?

Basically, if you live in an apartment complex, in a relatively busy city, or in an area where there is an abundance of potentially dangerous wild animals, you should probably keep your cat inside.
>> Anonymous
why is /an/ so full of trolls lately?

>>120819
Serious looking rabbit there.
>> Anonymous
don't cats go insane if they are kept indoor all the time? they are too heavily genetically programmed to be wild and roam in huge spaces, just like hedgehogs, and modern life is indeed bad for humanoids as well, living in the city trapped inside some concrete cube means a lots of stress and uncomfortable and unhappy lifestyle
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>>120844
>Serious looking rabbit there.
>> Anonymous
>>120849

Yeah, that's why the average lifespan of a human in industrialized nations is 80+, while the average lifespan in third world countries (not to mention thousands of years ago) is 40. Modernization is sooooo bad.

Also, what part of DOMESTIC do you not understand? Cats have lived with humans for tens of thousands of years. They are even a separate species than the animal they are descended from, the Asian and African wild cats. Cats ARE NOT wild animals, they are fucking pets. No, they do not go crazy. I grew up with indoor/outdoor cats, and I got the pleasure of seeing over half of them "disappear," get hit by cars, or get killed by dogs or neighbors. I now keep indoor cats and they are healthier, more well-adjusted, and happier than both my old outdoor cats and your mom combined.

I don't even know why you made a comparision to hedgehogs. They are not domesticated and aren;t even in the same order, let alone family, as cats.

Goddamn, I can't tell if /an/ is full of trolls or retards anymore.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>120856
/an/ is the hybrid of /b/ and a daycare center (without the kiddie rape that would result of such a union). We are idiot trolls with occasional bouts of coherancy.

Much like /d/ is for dickgirls, /an/ is for assholes.
>> Anonymous
I had to keep a bell on my youngest cat, just so I'd know where he is. Although, it looks like he lost it again. He's a real troublemaker, so the bell helps warn people that he's coming. He's an indoor cat too, and we don't want him to sneak past the door (Like he used to).

My parents had one outdoor cat that got picked off by coyotes. No more outdoor cats in their household, although I guess they didn't want an indoor so they'd have to clean the litter box. Lazy..
>> Anonymous
>>120814

you have disgraced /an/ as well as 4chan, please go kill yourself with fire.
>> Anonymous
>>120849
if your cat is going crazy indoors, you aren't giving your cat enough playtime or attention. cats can get very bored and a bored cat is an unhappy cat.
give your cat to someone who has the god damn time for a pet.

i keep cat bells on only two of my cats because one of them will try and dart out the door whenever i open it(before i got her she was an outside cat so she always wants to go out) and on my kitten so i know where she is.
the other cat doesn't try to escape and i usually know where she is, so no bell.
>> Anonymous
>>120856
actually, wiseass, the reason our average life expectancy is 80 and their's is 40 is because they have a much higher pre-mature mortality rate, i.e. violence, epidemics, famine.

its not because our old people live longer than their old people. hell the oldest person on the earth, a chinese, lives in a RICE FARMING village.

gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>120836
Can't forget how some animal populations in an area decline or even go extinct. Cats are not a natural part of the ecosystem.

The Migratory Bird Treaty Act prohibits the hunting, taking, capturing, or killing of any migratory bird. In seeming violation of this landmark law, owners of free-roaming cats permit their pets to kill birds protected by the MBTA.
As noted above, domestic cats are also killing birds and other wildlife protected under the Endangered Species Act.

Mainly in islands, cats are responsible to the extinction of 8 island birds. I doubt any of us are living on an island, they also take up a huge part in the decline and extinctions of other birds/animals.

www.abcbirds.org/cats/factsheets/predation.pdf
has good information, as well as information about cats and bells, which cats will work around them.

also, some proposes can be issued to have stray cats shot and killed whether they are owned or not to save wild animals.
srsly.
>> Anonymous
>>120991

http://www.historywire.com/2006/08/canoe_network_m.html

Oldest person on earth is american, lol!
>> Anonymous
>>120991

Also, even you list FAMINE and EPIDEMICS! Epidemics of what? Oh, yeah! That's right, diseases that they can't fight due to no access to modern medicine or medical facilities. Famine why? Oh, yeah! That's right, not industrialized enough to either afford their own food or use modern agricultural methods to grow it.

So... GTFO until you can form a logical, coherent argument based on facts and not wistful ideals pulled out of your lazy ass.

Or, if you are a troll, good job! Feel free to continue posting inane drivel.
>> Anonymous
>>120991

ha ha, actually, thats why its called an *average* life expectancy, wiseass. i don't see anything anywhere other than in your post discussing whos old people live to be the oldest. after 70, who really cares anyway?
>> Anonymous
indoor cat is the same as a human in a prison cell, the person will survive, but not truly live
>> Anonymous
Fun Fact: Heinrich Himmler, genocidal monster, wanted a law which would have required all german cats to wear bells in order to protect wild birds.
>> Anonymous
>>120991
Those might be caused by being OUTDOORS. And I thought /n/ was full of idiots.
>> Anonymous
>>121014
Nazis were massive PETAfags. They advocated human vivisection to stop animal experiments.
>> Anonymous
indoor cats are always sitting at the window looking out, and if you open a door it always try to escape from its captivity, clearly they dont like being locked indoors
>> Anonymous
>>121023

Not all of them.
i'm sure one of my cats would run and never come back.

but my biggest cat sits at the window and if you open it he runs away(back into the house), I can't get him to come outside for anything.
>> Anonymous
I've had cats that have preferred indoors life and ones that preferred outdoors life. Just because they are domestic doesn't mean that they want to be inside all day. If my cat indicates that it wants to go outside, then I let it. I had a cat who showed up at my door begging for food. He stayed with the family for a few years, then started showing up less. The only times he really stay inside without being angry were during bad snowstorms. He eventually moved to a new owner I suppose. Still see him from time to time on the streets, and he rubs up against my leg.

Also, lol @ angry douchebag saying all cats should stay inside. You're as much of a troll as those who you think are trolling you. Hot, hot troll on troll action.
>> Anonymous
I understand keeping cat indoors if you're in inner city with no garden etc, but in you live in with land around, where's the problem.
It's ridiculous to say outside is too dangerous, felines can handle themselves.
>> Anonymous
lol enjoy your dead cats!
>> Anonymous
>>121023

Captivity? LOL. Anthropomorphizing animals is a sure way to get people to agree with you.

>>121080

Not all cats should stay inside. Only the ones you give a shit about.
>> Anonymous
>>121088

Oh, yeah, that's right, not a problem at all. Cats can really handle themselves. That's why I got the special pleasure of scraping my cat's remains off the ground after a coyote got a hold of him, pulling is intestines out, practically decapitating him, and littering his remains (what wasn't eaten, anyway) all over my yard. Yes, that's a scenario I want to repeat sometime soon by letting my cats outside.

Cats can also take care of themselves against cars, since they are made of steel. I guess my neighbor's cat was just defective, since we found him one morning in a big, gooshy puddle in the middle of the road.
>> Anonymous
>>121088
Outdoors cats make graet rheuma blankets.

Also unless your place has or had wildcats around you're inroducing a foreign predator into the equation. The Kiwi of New Zealand is in serious troubles thanks to such thinking.
>> Anonymous
Letting your cats outside does not mean letting them roam the fucking neighborhood. I let my 2 cats out in the yard all the time and they have not once come to even the slightest harm.
>> Anonymous
>>121023
my dogs always sit at the door. and if i open a door, they will rush to it. does that fucking mean that i should let my dog run free of the neighborhood?

if you are going to have an outside cat, you should at least have a large pen or something in your backyard.
anyone who lets their cat free roam is irresponsible and doesn't know how to take care of it.
>> Anonymous
My cat's an outdoor cat, and she's 17 years old. She never liked staying inside, and we've had large yards, so it would have been dumb to keep her in. She tries to sneak into the house from time to time, but we don't let her get past the washroom because my mom's terminally ill, and a cat would fuck up what's left of her immune system. We let her in when it's really hot, really cold, storming, or some other kind of bad weather. Other than that, she hangs around the yard. Right now she's asleep in a chair in the washroom, though.

If you've got the land and don't live next to a freeway, I see nothing wrong with letting your cat out. If you've personally had to deal with the loss of a pet because it got run over or killed by some other animal/crazy person, I can understand why *you* would think letting a cat out is cruel. But from my own personal experience, letting a cat outside of the house is, generally, not such a horrible idea. They make harnesses and leashes for cats, you know...
>> Anonymous
>>120753
I have two cats. When we got the first cat, we kept her indoors. When she was about a year old, she escaped and ran outside as we were coming in the door one day and never really wanted to come inside again. Here, it's thirteen years later and she's still alive. she comes back home in the morning and the evening to get fed, and usually spends the day patrolling the neighborhood or sleeping on the porch. We also lve on a pretty busy street, so I'm surprised that she hasn't bee hit by a car. Some cats are just smarter than others when it comes to being outside. The other cat is about four stays indoors all the time. She finds plenty of ways to amuse herself indoors, usually watching cars go by out the window or chasing bugs that frequently crawl into our house. I play with her a lot, so she's never really bored. If i see that she's got nothing to do, I'll carry her outside and and walk around the property for a bit aor close the gate on the porch and let her play while i sit outside with her and read. If you have an inside cat that desparately wants to go outside, then I'd advise taking it outdoors in an enclosed area and watching it carefully.
>> Anonymous
God, I remember when /an/ didn't fucking suck. But that's neither here nor there.

I put a bell on a few of my cats that were being a bully to a new kitten. That way my new kitten would know they were coming and get the fuck outta there.

They warmed up to the new kitten rather quickly. Now they're like one big cat family.
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meanwhile, monorail cat sneakily monorails itself out of the house, freedom at last!
>> Anonymous
>>120821
>>120812
>>121023
>>121089
>>121090

It depends on the cat. I had an indoor/outdoor cat who lived to be 18 years. She died of cancer. SHe spent the evenings inside and the days outside, as was her decision. She cruised around the front yard not just the back but rarely went further (i.e. did not cross the street) she loved hanging out in the bushes and laying in the sun in the backyard. I'm glad I let her.

I have a (rescued) cat now who has the same indoor/outdoor access who will NOT step foot outside for anything, though the door to the backyard is always open. I also have an adopted cat who will not step one foot INSIDE. She is 9 now and I adopted her at ~1 year old.
>> Anonymous
>>120786
when my cat hunted birds in my yard, he would sit completely motionless in the area they usually frequented, and would wait until one literally walked right in front of his paw.. and bam.

bells won't help with that, lol.
>> Anonymous
I had a mostly indoor cat named Ginger who I let out occasionally a few years back. One afternoon, the neighbor saw her being hit by a car belonging to a fellow up the street. The neighbor claimed that he swerved to hit Ginger. After checking with a few other people who lived in the neighborhood, I discovered that he did this frequently. He would swerve to hit all sorts of animals, going so far as to drive onto the sidewalk, driveways, and even parts of other people yards. It was satisfying to push several butane lighters into his muffler, but I would give up the warm feeling of hearing the fucking explosion down the street to have my Ginger back.

I would keep an adopted stray an indoor-outdoor cat, but any that I adopt as kittens will be indoor only. I don't want to have that feeling of "if only I had kept her inside" ever again.
>> Anonymous
>>121332
cat owners. do not fuck with.
>> Anonymous
I have to agree that cats should always be kept indoors, no matter how much room your property has for them to roam around. You can't guarantee that they'll take advantage of the safe areas and not venture onto the road. Growing up my family had three indoor/outdoor cats. We had two acres of property, lots of safe space for them to romp around. We kept flea collars on them and wrote our phone number on the flea collars in case something happened. Well, one day something did, one of them was hit by a car and no amount of rushing to the vet after the woman who discovered him on the side of the road called us could save him. We've only had indoor cats since.

If you feel so strongly about letting your cat interact with the outside world, then take it out on a harness. It takes them some time to get used to it, but I've seen it done, and it's certainly better than the heartbreak and the overwhelming guilt you feel when a pet dies (painfully, especially) and you could have easily prevented it.

On another note,
>he swerved to hit Ginger. After checking with a few other people who lived in the neighborhood, I discovered that he did this frequently. He would swerve to hit all sorts of animals, going so far as to drive onto the sidewalk, driveways, and even parts of other people yards.
That's the among the most awful things I've ever heard, and I seriously hope that fucker dies a slow and painful death as deserved.
>> Anonymous
>>121332
wait, that's animal cruelty. that's illegal. that's indicative or other sociopathic tendencies. why the hell didn't you report him? a fucking prank in retaliation is all you could muster?
>> Anonymous
>>121359

A) It's not illegal to run over an animal, even on purpose

B) Even if it were, how would you prove it? Neighborhood hearsay? Oh, yeah, that'll hold up in a court of law.

C) If you consider sending someone to the hospital and totally fucking their truck into non-usage a prank... well, I would hate to be on your bad side.
>> Anonymous
My crazy neighbor has a neurotic and high-strung cat with a bell around its neck. This poor cat has just every reason to be insane.
>> Anonymous
>>121364
i don't see how purposely killing someone's pet is illegal. especially if you are swerving to hit it, which is reckless driving and will indeed get you in trouble. i'm fucking sure it is illegal to hit an animal on purpose, but if you try to sue and your animal was outside running around in the first place, the court would probably turn around and bite you in the ass because you didn't keep your animal inside where it belongs.
>> Anonymous
>>121425

Perhaps you live in CA or something where the laws are geared more toward that sort of thing, but where I lived at that time, it was definitely NOT fucking illegal to kill someone's pet. You were even allowed to shoot them if they were off the owner's property.
>> Anonymous
>>121428
well. after proof reading my post. i meant to say "i don't see how purposely killing someone's pet is NOT illegal" and i would like to know where the hell you lived.
>> Anonymous
>>121432

Tennessee, home of rednecks, trailer trash, and lower education. Yes, the laws were bullshit. No, neither the police nor animal control would have done anything, and my famly lawyer would have just laughed. So I did the best I could, meh. I have had indoor only cats ever since moving away from home (since before then it was impossible to keep them indoors with my well-meaning-but-painfully-misguided family members always letting them out).

Also, I knew what you meant, so no worries. Typos happen.
>> Anonymous
My cat is an indoor/outdoor cat and she is 19. She is still kicking strong too. She is more lazy than usual but will still go out and hunt. I also live in the sticks and 30 minutes from another town.
>> Anonymous
>>121436
can't blame you there. hell those people can't even be called people.
>> Anonymous
I let my 2 cats out in the yard when they want and they have not once come harmed,they are like 7 years old,it's exagerated to say that cats shouldn't go outside
>> Anonymous
We had several cats, all of which were free to come in and out as they pleased. One of them we had for 13 years, and he was about 2 or 3 years old when we got him. He finally got sick and we put him down. Probably from stomach cancer. The other cats never went farther than across the street.

When we moved we tried to keep them inside so they'd learn this was their new home but one of them escaped and was never seen again. Another kept sneaking out and somehow making his way across town to our old house where my step-dad promptly got rid of him. The other lived a full life before dying of natural causes.

We did lose two cats to the outdoors. One was a few months old and was hit by a car, another disappeared. Are your cats at more risk if they venture outside? Yeah, definitely. However they are also allowed more freedom that way. If you live in an area with lots of traffic or bitchy neighbors then keep them inside. If you live in an area with wild coyotes or other predators, then keep them inside. If not, then let them out if you want.

I agree that some cats are smarter than others and they'll always be at risk outside but that's the same for all of us. I loved all my cats, but not to the degree that I felt the need to keep them locked away in the house all day every day. We also had a pretty big backyard and/or a varied garden (including a pond with fish in it) so they rarely were compelled to go far.
>> Anonymous
>>121471

I'm all for letting my cats outside once in a while, but I would NEVER let a kitten only a couple of months old outside without supervision.
>> Anonymous
you know, i'm curious... all the people who post that keeping cats indoors is cruel; how many of them actually own a cat?
>> Anonymous
>>121514
i have three. only one ever wants to go outside, but she lived outside for a little while before we got her.
though her requests are always denied, she's a happy, active cat who practices her hunting skills on the other cats.
>> Anonymous
>>121517

lol at last part

Anyway, I have 2 cats and one is 18. I live next to a trainstation and my cat still isn't dead. I see her once in a while roaming next to the tracks(not on), but is that reason to keep her inside forever?

What I am saying is, just because a part of the outside cats die in accidents blabla. is that reason to keep her inside? Now if it was like >50% then yes, we should keep them inside but I doubt it.
>> Anonymous
>>121542
wut? your tard logic make head asplode
>> Anonymous
>>121542
If your cat's 18 years old, then it's probably time to quit worrying about how your cat MIGHT die and start figuring out what your cat did to achieve immortality.
>> Anonymous
>>121544

what, that old?
>> Anonymous
>>121543

It's not tard logic. If one American is fat, are all Americans fat? Food can cause cancer, should we stop eating food? So if one one outdoor cat gets hit by a car, does that mean we should keep all cats indoor?
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