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/an/, why are purebred dogs so expensive and why do people pay so fucking much for them?
>> L
cuz ppl r stupid
i got 1 from the streets
:)
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
To get a dog of sound mind and body. It costs a lot of money to get the dog titled and prove that it's of breeding quality and breeders need money to recoup those costs.
>> L
people r idiots who ever buy dogs o kats
i'll buy a pet if its like $20
>> Anonymous
There are pros and cons to getting a purebred. With purebreds you can usually know what to expect behavior and health wise. The problem is there does tend to be inbreeding.

I have had purebred GSDs all my life. We usually find a breeder who breeds for show and buy the runts for cheap since they're not desired in the show/breeding circles. We always spay/neuter as well.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>243983"We always spay/neuter as well."
At what age? I usually wait until their "retirement", because all my dogs that were "fixed" earlier in life got fat and/or lazy and sometimes food-obsessed, even with moderate exercise and calorie-controlled diets.
>> Anonymous
>>243998
As soon as we are able. We have had no problems with our dogs getting lazy/fat. We exercise them regularly since we have a good bit of land.
>> Anonymous
>>243998
we've always waited to at least 2 2 1/2 years for males and anywhere from 6-1 year for females..

study shows what early neuter/spay can do
http://www.akcchf.org/pdfs/whitepapers/3-23-08DiscoveriesArticle.pdf
>> PornInvolvingDrugs
>>243980

Purebreds have less sound bodies and minds that mutts. Genetic diversity owns selective breeding. The more variety of the species, the healthier the animal. Purebreds live 30% less years on average, and are more prone to disease.

Societies that believe in marrying "within the faith" (see: Jews) have a higher incidence of retardation and birth defects. Medical fact, look it up.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
>>244579

Spoken like someone who doesn't know crap about proper selective breeding!

Of course genetic diversity is important. That's why there's a lot of outcrossing to sires from different countries. Sometimes an error happens where a Sire is too popular and inevitably two of his children from different mothers will breed. But it's not common.

To prevent this, outcrossing is done and is acceptable in most standards. That way you have two completely different lines strengthening a line, where mutts tend to get a mix of problems from both lines and you won't know what it is until they actually have it.
>> Anonymous
Because breeders are fucking morons who don't understand evolution and that there is no such thing as a true purebred.
>> Anonymous
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My dog has papers and an peerage in Scotland! Don't give me this "no such thing" nonsense.
>> Anonymous
>>244579
I bet the average pure blood terrier lives 50% longer than the average mutt easy...hands down
you fail
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>244637"I bet xxxxxx, therefore you're wrong"

Not very convincing!

I don't know the exact statistics for pure/mix breeds, but it's pointless to generalize like that since small dogs live much longer than large dogs! A ten year age difference between the size groups is not uncommon.
>> Anonymous
>>244640

>>"Purebreds live 30% less years on average, and are more prone to disease."

>>"I don't know the exact statistics for pure/mix breeds"

>>Not very convincing!


dude did you just pwn yourself?
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>244646
I don't see how.... I was dismantling the comments made by 244637 (you?)

What I meant was:
It is pointless to compare something (relatively) constant as a certain breed to something as variable as an average mutt because such a thing doesn't exist. If you must make a comparison, their size (as well as many other things) must be taken into account. Throwing percentages around is pointless. The greatest (average) decider of lifespan (assuming health/living conditions are similar) is still the size of the dog.
>> Anonymous
its a status symbol thing, think brand names
owning a mutt is like owning a knock off of a well known brand like german Shepard

when some one asks you "what kind of dog is that" you can lift you head high and say your breed name "its a corgi"
if you have a mut you can say its a mix of this or that or you can just say mut

"what kind of jeans are those" if you have a brand name you can triumphantly say "they are levis" if you are wearing the cheep knock off you can say they are the 11 dolor jeans at wall mart or call them levis knockoffs or just say their jeans- they aren't status symbols so it doesn't really matter what you call them.
>> Anonymous
>>244665

So basically "purebred" is a thing materialistic, delusional, insecure faggots use in an attempt too feel superior to others.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>244665
Good point. I've heard plenty of people say to me: "Why are you doing all this for bloody mix breeds?"

The "Insert breed here" "clubs" are more exclusive than the "Accident, mongrel or mutt" clubs.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
>>244656

For what it's worth, I'm sorry you met all the retarded Purebred dog owners.

But you're a retarded Mutt owner, on the other end of the spectrum.

It's not rocket science to see how properly bred purebred dogs in general will far surpass the average mutt.

You believe in so many absurbd myths about purebred dogs it's not funny. Linebreeding is done SOMETIMES to bring out a strength in the breed, but it might also bring out the recessive genes. If the recessive genes surface, all the puppies are sold with a spay/neuter contract and the sire and dam will be spayed and neutered too to prevent the gene from being passed on further.

But when successful, will create a healthier dog with it's desired traits more polished.

Mutts, on the other hand, I have three mutts and I love them. But working at the shelter, I've put down far more mutts for physical defects, mental defects (and I'm not talking about behavioral issues such as being abused, shyness, and so on). A mutt will just carry all the bad genes from both purebreds.

It's not hard to understand. It doesn't mean that mutts are worse than purebreds. Mutts are just another dog, just like purebreds. Most people don't need purebreds, so a mutt does just fine.

But I'd LOVE to see a mutt that pulls like a Husky, a mutt guard livestock like a Great Pyreness, a mutt herd like a Border Collie, and so on.

Like right now I'm looking for a dog to do high obedience, herding work and tracking dog, as well as take my first step into protection work. For this I am looking for a German line GSD working dog. Will I find a mutt that is as versatile? Not damn likely. And I've been volunteering at the shelter for a very very long time.

Always exceptions, of course, but I'd rather go with the rule.
>> Anonymous
>>243980
It's much more difficult to get a purebred dog with a sound mind and body since the incidence of inbreeding is high.
People who have to cross state lines to get their bitch knocked up by someone who isn't a direct or one-off relative of the bitch need to charge higher prices for all the legwork and logistics involved with the process.
It's much better to get a mutt. Hybrid vigor FTW. Also there are so many that you can pick and choose at a reasonable price.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
>>244794

Hey, I never said it's easy. Most people don't need purebreds, that's the point. It should not be easy to find a good breeder of them.

It took me 4 months to wade through all the backyard breeders and retarded show breeders to find one that I liked.

It's going to cost me about $2,500. But you get what you pay for, 2500 is chump change compared to what I'm going to be spending on it for the next 15 years.

But I'm not getting it as a companion dog. You don't get dogs where both parents are SchH III titled and IPO3 titled as well as many other titles from a breeder that specializes in police dog work for a companion dog.

The general public can just get a mutt and be happy.
>> Anonymous
>>244798But I'm not getting it as a companion dog.

So your dogs pull sleds? They're simply guard animals?
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
My two huskies do ski-joring, bike-joring, carting, rollerblading, scootering, and when it snows and i get together with a friend to add two more dogs, sledding too.

Hope you did not mean guard animals when referring to my Huskies LOL. The only thing they guard is a piece of steak.

The GSD I'm getting is doing High Obedience, Herding, and Tracking work. He will also put my foot through the door of Protection work since I've never done that, even though I have experience with the other things.
>> Anonymous
its a status symbol thing, nigger guy has a hard on for pure breads- maybe the reason mutts arent used for work is because being a mixed breed you cant tell if they are going to be good at one thing or another a curtain breed will have been bread to do something pull, herd, ext but with a mut you cant tell it COULD be great at something, but you cant expect to pick up a mut puppy from the pound and expect that it will be strong enough to pull a sled- its not predictable as it is will pure bread dogs.
also pretty sure mutts and pure breads have the same amount of problems,
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>>244825
I love pure breads!

I've owned mutts my whole life..dozens actually living on a 300 acre ranch...but the first dog that I ever paid money for was my english mastiff...$1000 to be exact. Not for status either, besides my close friends/family and socialization as a puppy she's hasn't even been exposed to many people since she has become an impressive 180lb bitch. I bought her becuase I wanted an XBOX HUEG dog to cuddles with and play with my children and be friendly and caring as hell. All that can be found in a mutt except for the 180lb part...you can try..but you won't find one...maybe one that is half mastiff/st. bernard or something but that hardly meets the working def. of the word "mutt"
>> Anonymous
They're expensive because their disposition and appearance is relatively predictable. People like to know what they're getting themselves into. My parents paid $400 for our dog because she is supposably a purebred labrador retriever, but she doesn't really look it. She doesn't have that labrador-ish face at all. I don't give a shit really either way though. She's like the sweetest, bestest dog ever, and she was completely worth that money, labrador or not.
>> Anonymous
>>244825
People will take you more seriously if you don't type like a retard.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
>>244825

No disagreement here. 50% of the dogs I've trained to be hearing ear dogs and seeing eye dogs have been mutts. But it's a nature vs nurture thing.

Which is why people buy purebreds. You know what you are getting. Before you start saying about how you know this or that purebred that was different than standard, shut up. 90% of breeders suck, and of the 10% remaining good breeders, 90% of the owners of those dogs suck.

So Purebred or Mutt, they both are afflicted by the retarded owner and retarded breeder syndrome. If you go to a reputable breeder, you know what you are getting 99% of the time, there will always be that 1%.

But saying mutts are superior in any way is such a logical fallacy it's not funny. There might be individual dogs that can match a properly bred purebred, but that means nothing.

And one last thing. I have three mutts. Niggerhusky in the pic for evidence. When I look for purebreds, I look for dogs that can perform the task they are bred to do. When I look for mutts, I look to save the abused ones.

>>244829

Not that it makes it a bad deal or good deal or makes the dog better or worse, because you obviously got far more than you paid for by having over a decade of a great pet, but at $400 it was likely a backyard breeder. That's why he didn't fit into any standard.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
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>>244825

No disagreement here. 50% of the dogs I've trained to be hearing ear dogs and seeing eye dogs have been mutts. But it's a nature vs nurture thing.

Which is why people buy purebreds. You know what you are getting. Before you start saying about how you know this or that purebred that was different than standard, shut up. 90% of breeders suck, and of the 10% remaining good breeders, 90% of the owners of those dogs suck.

So Purebred or Mutt, they both are afflicted by the retarded owner and retarded breeder syndrome. If you go to a reputable breeder, you know what you are getting 99% of the time, there will always be that 1%.

But saying mutts are superior in any way is such a logical fallacy it's not funny. There might be individual dogs that can match a properly bred purebred, but that means nothing.

And one last thing. I have three mutts. Niggerhusky in the pic for evidence. When I look for purebreds, I look for dogs that can perform the task they are bred to do. When I look for mutts, I look to save the abused ones.

>>244829

Not that it makes it a bad deal or good deal or makes the dog better or worse, because you obviously got far more than you paid for by having over a decade of a great pet, but at $400 it was likely a backyard breeder. That's why he didn't fit into any standard.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>244786
Are you sure you aimed that comment at the right guy? I never said that mutts are "better." I said it's pointless to break out percentages and make exact comparisons. I never said there is such a thing as an "average mutt." Also, and most importantly; I never claimed that there is such a thing as a perfect all purpose dog! OF COURSE selective breeding leads to certain desired qualities for certain purposes being brought out, as well as (a certain degree of) predictability in skills and behaviour - That's the entire point of selective breeding!

Speaking from personal experience, I have never met a single "dumb" or "defective" mutt or purebred. Although I have talked to dog judges and breeders who complained about certain breeds being dumber or unhealthier than the next. That won't bring me to generalize and make wild claims though - we all have our biased personal experiences.

You're also forgetting, that mutts are generally considered worth LESS than pure breeds in every way, and that is the truth. Because of that, they are:
a.) Treated with less respect.
b.) Often bred by human trash that doesn't know what it's doing.
c.) Found screwing and churning out puppies on the streets.
d.) Abused and neglected and therefore more likely to suffer from mental/physical problems.
e.) etc..
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
Sure - these things happen to purebreds that are worth much money, but not as often as to dogs than can be picked up from a back alley for free or found in the papers for 10 bucks.

Also, you can not be the judge of what is a mental problem caused by abuse/neglect, or caused by bad genes.
Problems come up in both mutts and purebreds, and many responsible breeders try to reduce them - but you still speak of breeders as if they are correct and educated in what they are doing. They are not - there are many shonky breeders out there. There are also certain breeds that have had the same genetic problems such as deafness and hip dysplasia for MANY generations, defying breeders' best efforts.
Don't you realize how pointless it is to say that either one, or the other group is better? They all have their problems in the end.
>> Anonymous
>>243970
All I have to say to you purebreed fans, is let a Purebread animal go out into the streets and get bitten by X various poison animal / local critter. And then throw the mutt out there with it, Hands down animals bread locally do better within that locality, and if you are enough of a faggot to show dogs thinking that your elitism is not in fact elitism, when

The only dog I could conceive purebread as the better alternative is OP's pick the German Shepard, and thats only because of the military / police applications, and thats more like building a supersoldier than anything else.

In residential / home life's just get a mutt, it supports your local humane society, doesn't make you an elitist prick, discourages puppy mills, gives you a more locally resilient animal almost guaranteed, and gives you a personality, rather than a pet.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>244933
I don't think there is anything wrong with being a "purebreed fan." Everyone is entitled to their preference or opinion, it's when they try to shove it down your throat that it gets annoying.
I've had mutts most of my life and would love to also own a purebred one day. It's difficult for me to understand "elitist" behavior, but luckily have not seen it very often.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
>>244919

You must not have much experience then. Spend 15 years working at the local shelter and you will see all the retarded dogs. Hopefully you don't think that dogs somehow never come out wrong. It's pretty obvious when it's abuse or not.

You keep saying that mutts are considered worth less than purebreds. I must disagree. You can pick up a "purebred" (backyard bred) dog for almost the same as adopting a mutt from the shelter, minus all the home visits, rules, etc.

To this day, I've only seen a handful of dogs from reputable breeders end up in our shelter. And all of them, once we discovered the breeder, got picked up and rehomed or kept by the breeder. I personally don't think dog-owning is a right, but a privilege. Most abuse problems would be solved by making dogs expensive. (Most, not all).

But looks like I was correcting the wrong person. I thought you said that mutts in general are healthier and live longer than purebreds. But it seems you are not saying that.

I also do not think there are "dumb" or "smart" breeds, because that is so highly arguable. The Siberian Husky, for instance, is considered to be a very intelligent breed. Yet, if you ask the general public, they are considered stupid. Why is this? People equate obedience with intelligence, which is a fallacy. Or the Beagle, for instance. It gets distracted easily with scents, and tend to be hard to regain their attention so are thought as dumb. Both instances are the owners being stupider than their dog and unable to harness it.

The other thing is lack of exercise. They call a breed neurotic, but when it's underexercised.
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
I take in neither when I call a dog dumb or smart, or having a genetic behavioral problem. The above is fixable by exercising and knowing how to motivate the dog. Some problems can't be fixed, mutt or purebred.

>>244921

You are obviously talking about Backyard SHITTY breeders when you talk about hip problems and uneducated breeders. Because see, when I look for a reputable breeder, the first things I look for is OFA certificates on ALL their dogs and CERF tests.

No good breeder will have several generations of hip dylasia, deafness, or eye problems. All the reputable breeder I know consider all of those to be automatically disqualified from breeding program- not just the sire and bitch, but the litter as well, and possibly the litter the sire came from too. I don't know what breeders you look at, but if you want me to show you to some reputable breeders (and by the way, show breeders does not automatically make a good breeder) I will point you the way.

And your idea of local mutts surviving better locally makes me laugh. A mutt born and raised a stray might survive better, just like the purebreds born and raised as a stray survive better. However this makes NO difference, a responsible person would never put the dog in a circumstance that it would need to survive on it's own, so the argument is moot.

You won't find me disagreeing that mutts are better for residental dogs - but not because they are somehow able to survive locally better. But because the average family doesn't need a dog that has been bred for a specific purpose.

German Shepherds are rotten choices for family life. What's the point of buying a dog built with a purpose (GSD) over a mutt if you're not going to use the dog's purpose? Then the dog is just a companion like a mutt. And you just paid a thousand or two for a house decoration.

It's difficult to me to understand elitist "mutt" behavior and "purebred" behavior. *shrug*
>> Anonymous
>>244798

Not a companion, but a wannabe weapon? No wonder you have nigger in your name, you want a spawn of nazi attack trained parent dogs?

Good luck with your GSD, its back end will be a mess and you'll be lucky if it can walk without pain after 6 months.

The GSD is ruined in America.
>> Anonymous
>>243970

Most mutts are bred from dogs that should not be bred in the first place. This fault trumps all hopes of "hybrid vigor."

Hybrid vigor is only beneficial to first generation hybrids, and it doesn't solve any problems if both the parents are shitty genetic samples.

Almost all mutts come from people who are so stupid and poor that they buy shitty quality dogs and don't get them fixed. That doesn't make the puppies healthy, it makes them shit x shit = shit.

Sure, when you inbreed up the ass for "purebred" dogs, you get shit x related shit = shit too.

That's why purebred or mutt has little to do with health. Spend good money buying a good purebred dog from healthy ... HEALTH TESTED parent dogs that aren't inbred.

And get your dog fixed if you're not qualified to be a breeder.
>> Anonymous
>>245026

OFA is shit. PennHIP >>> OFA
>> Anonymous
>>245025

Border Collies are smarter and more athletic than all your breeds. They are like the kid in high school who was the quarter back and the math team captain who banged the hot cheerleader and got a full academic and athletic ride to Stanford.

Your breed is inferior.
>> Anonymous
>>245029
bad troll is bad

>>245030
"shit x shit = shit"
I'm not the crazy hybrid vigor fucker (which I will now refer to as heterosis just to confuse you) but somebody here doesn't quite comprehend the benefits of sexual reproduction
>> Niggerhusky Guy !!2YW0PJZXbhy
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>>245029

What?

Do you realize a base requirement for entering Schutzhund is getting a BH? Since I have no doubt you have no clue what BH is, let me explain. It is like Canine Good Citizen and Companion dog awards in one. So basically, the first requirement to enter protection/attack dog titles is to be good with people.

So no, I don't want my dog to defend me. It will be trained as a hearing dog, so if someone breaks into my house instead of defending me, he will come and wake me up so that I can defend myself.

Second, who said I'm getting american line? I am getting a Czech line German Shepherd working dog. Those dogs don't have the back problems. Attached dog is the sire, a SchH III and IPO3 and T.D. titled dog. None of that american line back problems.

>>245033

Hopefully you didn't think I was going to get offended. In fact, the last sledding competition I attended, the second place winner was a team of Border Collies. I adore Border Collies, and as I get better at doing herding work I would like to get one eventually from working lines.