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All you animal lovers should read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins. Just finished reading it. Pretty interesting material which really helps you understand what Darwin really discovered.

check it out!
>> Anonymous
dawkins = negro
>> Anonymous
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>>282872
haha Dakins is like the whitest guy i know.
>> Anonymous
Take your proselitism elsewhere.
>> Anonymous
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>>282876
Keep ignoring scientific facts if you want, seems to be working.
>> Anonymous
>>282881
Yeah, I am ignorant because I think stupid flame wars should be kept elsewhere.
>> Anonymous
>>282881

>/B/
>> Anonymous
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=D
>> Anonymous
>>282883
Animals & Nature, this seems like the right place for it.
>> Anonymous
>>282881
Who said he ignores scientific facts?
>> Anonymous
Oh Mrs Garrison!
>> Anonymous
>>282889
I assumed. Why else would he have a problem with the content of this thread?
>> Anonymous
other Church of Atheism reads:

anything by bitter old Dan Dennett but esp Darwin's Dangerous Idea

E. O. Wilson's latest tripe, The Creation

I'm not sure why people with hard science careers think they're also philosophers much less theologians

must be the whole britfag analytical fetish
>> Anonymous
Science: Up to 30 years ago they thought the Pineal gland was a *residual organ* that had no purpose at all.
80%-90% of human DNA is considered junk DNA, meaning scientists think it has no purpose at all.
In reality, scientist DON'T KNOW what they fuck is that DNA for. But instead of saying, I don't know what the fuck is it for. They say, oh, it's just residual trash.
Scientist think they know everything and therefore have the duty to go around preaching the truth. Fact is, scientific truth changes, but they won't admit it and act as if everybody else is stupid and calling them ignorant.
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I like Dawkins' stance on religion. I don't like his Selfish Gene hypothesis, though
>> Anonymous
>>282892
Probably doesn't like Dawkins as a person or his behaviour towards religion?
But I'm not omniscient, so I dunno. He might answer...
>> Anonymous
>>282898
v. good point
talking of "truth" in science is self-defeating anyhow because the scientific method is NEVER prepared to agree that one set of conceptions represents the truth while there is even the possibility of more data
>> Anonymous
>>282899
what makes you like such garbage? thorough misunderstanding of religion I'd bet
>> Anonymous
>>282898
As opposed to Jesus freaks, who frantically wave a book written by unwashed savages and scream about their invisible man.

Fuck off, theist trash.
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>>282898
Protip for the moron: science is an evolving field that (gasp) acknowledges when it makes mistakes and adjusts itself accordingly.

I know that's hard to understand for religious people, who just hold their breath or yell really loud when they're shown to be silly, but that's how it is.
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>>282895
0/10
>> Anonymous
>>282899
>I don't like his Selfish Gene hypothesis, though

Well, science isn't about making you feel good.
>> Anonymous
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>Well, science isn't about making you feel good.
>> Anonymous
>>282905
science adjusts itself? you talk as if science was some person when in reality it's just a method, an ideal that most scientists thoroughly let down as they trash each other for challenging "facts," "laws," and "truth" . . . sounds like you know what science ought to be like and nothing about what it is like
>> Anonymous
>>282907
as for you,
wow--you're post makes a very good point
I'm totally an atheist dickhole just like you now!
>> Anonymous
nb4 "theist can't spell"
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>>282895
>I'm not sure why people with hard science careers think they're also philosophers

Maybe because they are, dilweed. Read about where philosophy came from and for what reasons. Protip: NOT FROM CHURCH.
>> Anonymous
>>282922
HOLY SHIT!
you must be new here (on earth)
take a fucking protip from a history book:
no such thing as experimental science until around 800 AFTER CHRIST . . . as for ancient philosophers: preserved and protected by Holy Mother Church
why don't you stop claiming to know what religious people think until you at least can get your own facts straight, you tiny little pimple on the ass of 4chan
>> Anonymous
>>282908
totally besides the point
in fact, misses point by a mile
>> Anonymous
>>282922
seriously, mate, if you can't be bothered to read books at least read wikipedia
I'd shy away from gleaning all my knowledge from *chans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#Science_in_Medieval_Europe
>> Anonymous
Here's a fact:
EVERYBODY on /r9k/ is FED UP with those ignorant arrogant atheists who worship Dawkins as the Messiah of their little cult. And pretty much the same goes for Bible-thumpers of all kinds.
If they start a thread like this there, they know exactly what they are going to get. So,with the residual trait of intelligence they have, they figured out that they'd come to other boards with their bullshit.
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>>282918
Aww, why don't you cry to your invisible man to take care of me, wittle troll? :(
>> Anonymous
>>282916
Wrong.
>>282925
The church regularly murdered philosophers and early scientists. Their record on that issue is hardly pristine.
>>282933
Go back to your faux-/b/ and fellatiate yourself a bit more.
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>>282925
>no such thing as experimental science until around 800 AFTER CHRIST

Your point? Mine was: science is a descendant of philosophy, not religion.

>as for ancient philosophers: preserved and protected by Holy Mother Church

More like desperately tried to justify themselves and their moon god belief for centuries until people finally worked up the courage to show them the middle finger.

>why don't you stop claiming to know what religious people think until you at least can get your own facts straight, you tiny little pimple on the ass of 4chan

All my facts are straight. Also, I claim that you believe in an invisible friend in the sky for no decent reason whatsoever, wrong or right?
>> Anonymous
>>282938
u r rite and so you win internetz hooray winrar
>> Anonymous
>>282942
completely inaccurate
as they say 0/10
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>>282945
>> Anonymous
>>282943

>Your point? Mine was: science is a descendant of philosophy, not religion.
consider for just a moment what sort of questions the earliest philosophers posed

>More like desperately tried to justify themselves and their moon god belief for centuries until people finally worked up the courage to show them the middle finger.
A quaint allusion to Galileo? It hardly proves anything. That famous quote of his--"religion teaches how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go"--was actually said by a cardinal. Further, no one had to work up the courage to do anything before they could work up the brainpower. Without Christianity, we'd still be a pack of mud-hut dwelling animal-worshippers. There is no time on 4chan to give you a grade school education, however.

>Also, I claim that you believe in an invisible friend in the sky for no decent reason whatsoever, wrong or right?
Right, that is what you claim. And here's how seriously I take it . . .
>> Anonymous
>>282944
>>282947
a challenger appears
>> Anonymous
>>282949
>Without Christianity, we'd still be a pack of mud-hut dwelling animal-worshippers.

LIST OF GREAT CIVILIZATIONS THAT WERE NOT CHRISTIAN


-Egyptian
-Greek
-Persian
-Mayan
-Aztec
-Incan
-Roman
-Chinese (various)
>> Anonymous
>>282951
all of those civilizations are so awesome that they survive to this very--oh wait
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>>282952
I know it's hard to be shown that you're a history-illiterate fool, Anon, but it's okay, it happens. Maybe if you spent less time eating Jesus crackers and more time learning, you wouldn't have to be easily proven wrong by strangers on the internet.
>> Anonymous
>>282938
>>282947
>>282953
threeway tie, I'd say
>> Anonymous
reported, get the fuck out
>> Anonymous
>>282956
NO!!1 only 1 can b internetz winrar
>> Anonymous
>>282949
>consider for just a moment what sort of questions the earliest philosophers posed

No, consider THAT they posed them and consider how they attempted to solve them. Protip: not by forcing people to believe random bullshit at gunpoint.

>A quaint allusion to Galileo? It hardly proves anything.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, never mind. That was just a glitch. Xtians are totally awesome besides that. So awesome, in fact, that they start to foam at the mouth when you suggest that humans evolved from other species of the earth was created in more than 7 days. That's how fucking awesome Christians are. Face it, you're the scum of the 21th century. You're nothing more than radical Muslims who happen to live in brick houses.

>Right, that is what you claim. And here's how seriously I take it . . .

So you don't believe in God then?
>> Anonymous
>>282951
>Roman

Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire during the 4th century. Didn't you know?

But disregard that, I hope this trollercoaster thread full of flaming faggotry vanishes from my precious /an/ asap.
>> Anonymous
>>283190
Rome had already made all its great accomplishments by the time they started worshipping the schizo Jew on a stick. Nice try, though.
>> Anonymous
>>283190

Read Gibbons fgt.
>> Anonymous
>>283190
No wonder that the roman empire was destroyed.
Christianity ruins everything.
>> Anonymous
>>283190
>Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire

After which it started spiraling downward. Coincidence?
>> Anonymous
WHY ARE THERE CHRISTFAGS ON 4CHAN?

Oh you sinners.
>> Anonymous
>>283327

Spoilers: there aren't. They're all trolls.
>> Anonymous
>>283227
>Nice try, though.

Try for what?
Just wanted to be historically accurate, nothing else.
>> Anonymous
>>283358
Leaving out some important details is not accurate.
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>>282942
>>283360
Hmm... Sam Harris, colleague of Richard Dawkins wrote in his book, The End of Faith:
"It should go without saying that these rival belief systems are all equally uncontaminated by evidence."
Why should the claim that there is no evidence for religion "go without saying"? In other words, be accepted with no evidence. Such a twist of irony that the fathers of Atheism are trolling us? Dennet cites Pascal, Dawkins cites Harris, and everyone takes this alleged Christian doctrine for granted, but no one cites Christians.
Don't think I am trying to lower myself to a flame war, but I thought I should just throw it out. Your opinion doesn't mean anything if you have no evidence or understanding of what you are talking about.
>> Anonymous
The saddest thing about this thread is that it makes people ignore that, whatever you might think about the man and his militant atheism, The Blind Watchmaker really does an awesome job at explaining how evolution works.
>> Anonymous
>>283389
Yeah, and evolution is the definitive proof that god doesn't exist.
>> Anonymous
>>283391
That depends on your definition of god. If your god is, say, evolution, then it certainly does exist.
>> Anonymous
The downward spiral of Rome needn't even be associated with Christianity: Rome, like most empires are wont to do, had hit its expiration date. The germane issue here is the fact that Rome made the overwhelming majority of its contributions to modern civilization without the "aid" of Christianity or any Abrahamic religion. The Roman example alone proves the idiotic assertion of "Christianity = civilization" wrong, but the post was as kind as to give additional examples, among them the Chinese dynasties and Persia.

It's a shame that the loudest Christians all seem to have massive inferiority and persecution complexes. They make me think the Romans had the right idea with the lions, if only to shut the BITCHING up.
>> Anonymous
>>283419
>lions
so I see where this bullshit is related to animals and nature.
>> Anonymous
>>283388
>Why should the claim that there is no evidence for religion "go without saying"? In other words, be accepted with no evidence.

Maybe you should, like, read the whole book.
>> Anonymous
>>283427
Read Mircea Eliade The Sacred and the Profane
and Echoes from the Ancient Skies by E. C. Krupp.
Then again, since they're scholarly books they maybe out of your league.
>> Anonymous
>>283419
Certainly the lions and crosses didn't cause the bitching to begin with.
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>>283432
>Then again, since they're scholarly books they maybe out of your league.

That must be the reason why you just cite the names without writing a sentence or two about the point they're trying to make. Nice fail you have there, chap.
>> Anonymous
>>283440
Here's the deal:
1. this is not the forum for this sort of argument
2. Be grateful that I gave you a decent and respectable scientific bibliography on the subject of religion. I am not your teacher or you parent.
You read that and get to your own conclusions. That's the best. Read a lot of books from different authors with different points of view and make up your own mind.
Following the only idiot who you bothered to read, like most of you do, just means that you're lazy.
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>>283444
1. Then don't take part. Half-assed attempts will not be accepted, whether the whole thing is off-topic or not.
2. As I said, either shit or get off the pot. Nobody is going to read hundreds of pages of drivel just to find out if there really IS a point these people are trying to make. Argue that point here or everybody will assume you haven't even read those books yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>283446
>you haven't even read those books yourself.

Or he read them but didn't really understand them.
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>>283444
>scientific [...] religion
>> Anonymous
Yay a flamewar. I got my smores all ready to go. LETS DO THIS!!!!
>> Anonymous
The problem is there are just as many atheistfags out there that are just as bad as christfags that believe it is impossible for them to be wrong...
I will laugh my ass off when they open a portal to another quantum universe and non-corporeal creature will flood into ours and turn everything they encounter to dust by their mere presence...
>> Anonymous
>>283513
Get yourself some DMT and you will be all set!
>> Anonymous
This thread is making me happy, seeing how stupid people are. I'm not offending people but just saying the facts. Stupid means you need an education. A proper one at that.

>>282898

Yes, sir. You are right.

We don't have answer to everything. In fact,we don't pretend to have ALL THE ANSWERS in the world. We admit sometimes we make mistakes. But it's those mistakes that builds up the theory. If we are wrong, then we are more than willing to find out what is wrong and look for the answers from the empirical evidences and data. We also thought the world was just made up of four elements (fire, water, earth, and air). But from the discoveries as well as the mistakes that the thousands of scientists, who dedicated their lives, made before us are responsible for the first class life you are enjoying. We may not know what 90% of DNA is for but before that we didn't even know DNA was not made up of proteins. And before that we didn't even know DNA even existed.
>> Anonymous
>>283529
>,we don't pretend to have ALL THE ANSWERS
I am glad you're aware of that, unlike some here, who coincidentally have a problem with reading books.
As for first class life. If live in Africa or China, I don't know what kind of first class life I'd have.
>> Anonymous
>>283540

Let's say not having small pox nor black plague is first class life.
>> Anonymous
>>283529

Well put. Complete opposite of religion.
>> Anonymous
Posting in this thread without saging means you're a troll.
>> Anonymous
>>282871
>>The Blind Watchmaker

slowpoke.jpg
>> Anonymous
>>283546
Do something useful for humanity and go burn a Church.