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human societies are nonhuman? Anonymous
“We [humans] haven’t evolved in the societies we currently live in,” Dr. Couzin said.

The way we live today is not how humans are supposed to live. We did not evolve to live like we do now. This is probably the reason for almost all the problems we got nowadays.

But what is the solution? Should we try evolve ourself artificially with modern tech so we fit better in modern societies? Since there surely is no way backwards to more natural ways of living.
>> Anonymous
We can change our society, we are free to shape it as we wish, given the collective will. There's nothing to stop us modifying it to better suit us, only ignorance.
>> Anonymous
>Since there surely is no way backwards to more natural ways of living.

Meh, just wait for the inevitable collapse of civilization and you're going to see a more natural way of living.
>> Anonymous
>>179985

I dunno about that, haven't people been waiting for that since start of civilization?
>> Anonymous
We can change easily.
Its just getting people to WANT to change. Thats the hard part.
>> Anonymous
Humans actually build themselves a "society within society" today. Since humans are inherently capable of handling only communities of 150 people or less, we have only a maximum of 150 friends and aquaintances. Our average number of close friends (or close family members) is the same as the number of people in the ancient average human family. So even if we are surrounded by millions of people we don't know, we have these microcommunities within macrocommunities. This may even be better since we get to choose (at least to a degree) who we are friend with and who we know, while you don't get to choose your family or the people living in a small 150 people town.
>> Anonymous
>>179992
I don't consider gentic engineering easy.

Because that's what it takes to change what is the natural community size for people. It's not a matter of picking and choosing, it's in our genes.
>> Anonymous
I like the suggestion that humans were happy back when we lived like monkeys. Because monkeys don't got no problems, am I right?
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>>180039
This is now a thread about monkey Stalinists who don't got no problems.
>> Anonymous
so what does evolution say is a human society?
>> Anonymous
>>180041

the way it was while we were still evolving?
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>>180039

but they dont!? they live very happy and unstressful lifestyles! we should learn from the animals!
>> Anonymous
KNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!!!!!!!!!!!! <3
>> Anonymous
We should go back to living in the savanna, hunting and gathering and dying at age 30 from a simple staph infection or being eaten by a lion.
>> Anonymous
I think that we humans just need some time to evolve for modern kind of society. Evolution will does it thing and we evolve being even more social. if we havent killed ourselves before that.
>> Anonymous
>>180448
Too bad human society changes faster than humans can adapt to it. The only way to catch up is to start engineering better adapted humans.
>> Anonymous
>>179995

its not because of human biology .
its because of the anti-rational ignorance of general human soceity . it will be theyr downfall .
>> Anonymous
>>180802
I love it when people talking out of their ass speak of ignorance and anti-rationality.
>> Anonymous
Evolving into a modern habitat? Hah. Zero capacity for fat storage, zero natural immune system, zero melanin, an ever increasing number of health problems requiring surgery to correct. This is what our evolved forms would be, if current social norms continue to hold.

Medicine allows the less fit to not only live but reproduce. Just look at diabetes and myopia. How many of you would be dead right now without modern medicine? I know I wouldn't have survived my birth, and my girlfriend as well. But we survive, less fit yet fully capable of reproduction.
>> Anonymous
>>180861
Less fit to survive in a prior habitat or society, perhaps, but evolution was never "survival of the fittest." It has always been "survival of the fit enough" and you and your girlfriend were fit enough to survive in the modern era.

Don't worry, though, the bar will get raised again at some point as we over-crowd.
>> Anonymous
>>The way we live today is not how humans are supposed to live.

We were supposed to live in even shittier situation, we improved it to a better, 'unnatural' quality of life.
Cry moar and gb2 /jungle/
>> Anonymous
>>180865
We don't 'over crowd', only certain countries do.
>> Anonymous
That's correct. The modern human society has complete fucked up natural selection, allowing the weak, sick, unfit to survive when they would have died naturally.
>> Anonymous
The only way to fix humanity is to destroy it.
>> Anonymous
>>180868
Thinking of diseases and natural risks, the current standard of life is better than it has ever ever been. We are living in a fucking paradise.

Thinking of nutrition, we are not really much better off than stone age people. Periodic hunger is not really more dangerous to your health than constant obesity and nutrient-poor fast food.

Thinking of psychological stress, we are in hell. Sure the stone age people were stressed from time to time, but nowhere near as badly as a office worker in a million people megacity. The life of a fisher in a plentiful stretch of the coast was actually really mellow, if you leave out the occasional storms.

But! You can actually find a paradise-like condition if you manage to feed youself with a low-stress job, living in a small rural village with organic foodstuffs available, but with a big city near enough so that you can find all the necessary services there. As long as you aren't stressed by work and monetary problems, you'll be living the life bronze-age gods dreamed about.