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Hey /an/. Opinions on wolves and wolfdogs? Also looking for anything you have or can find on training and behavioural habits.
>> Anonymous
They're awesome if you take care of them well an realize the dangers.

For instance you need to focus a lot more on pack rules (and probably wrestle your wolf(dog) a lot for dominance). If you have kids/visitors/old people, they will have to wrestle them too. Every damn time.

They also need a lot more exercise etc. That's about all I know though.
>> Anonymous
Wolfdogs are supposed to be a notch more intelligent than most dog breeds, but require alot more training if it helps.

>>87957

Really? I thought wolfdogs wouldn't be so competetive with children, as they aren't really a threat to their dominence.
>> Anonymous
Depends on what content.

There's low, medium and high.
Low content wolfdogs are pretty much just dogs, and look like normal dogs.
Medium content start looking more like wolves and act more like them.
High content such as 80% wolf will look just like a wolf, and act more like a wolf than a dog.

I've never owned one, but if you ever consider getting one I suggest first get a northern breed dog such as a husky or malamute since they are more closely related to wolves.
also some info on content wolfdogs here;
http://wolfhybrid.us/html/highcontent.html
>> Anonymous
>>88182
OP here. Useful site, thanks for the link. I've always loved huskies, and will probably end up getting one (or two). I suppose huskies and malamutes fit in the lower tier of of wolf content, or am I wrong?
>> Anonymous
Get an utonagan or something instead. Nice dog, nice looks.
>> Anonymous
>>88342
Strange, never heard of them before. Sound like they have a better temprament. Another northern breed?
>> Anonymous
Saarloos Wolfdogs (a dutch breed) is pretty awesome. Not easy to get but have a look at them if you can google anything up.

Also known as Saarloos Wolfhounds, btw.
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>> Anonymous
>>88822
he gon git mauled

>>88805
Seem like a rare breed. Interesting, though. I can't find alot of sites on them in english.

Anyone know of any other breeds?
>> Anonymous
>>88341
In my opinion, I think a husky/malamute/other northern breed dog would be like a medium content wolfdog. But I am unsure, only guessing because I've never own a wolfdog, only a malamute.

>>88805
good. fucking. luck.
They are never imported/exported and from what I've heard true saarloos wolfhounds are only in Germany since they are a bunch of fucktard nazis afriad the breed will be ruined.

There's also Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, but I've never heard about them being in the USA.

Even if you were to obtain one of these dogs, you wouldn't get it right away. It would have to sit somewhere where it would be watched to make sure its not bringing any diseases into the country. At least I think thats how it goes. And if it is sick, guess who just lost a thousand dollars or more?

you MIGHT have an easier chance getting an utonagan but all of the ones i saw for sale were in UK.
>> Elf
You have to treat the wolf-cross like a wolf and not a dog. Swatting it on the nose when it does something wrong is just abuse to it. You'd have to force it to the ground, while growling at it until it relaxes. And if it's really bad you bite it's ear or muzzle.

Also, they have the reasoning of a seven year old child. There will be times that your wolf-cross WILL outsmart you. They're notorious cage breakers and escape artists for one thing. Not to mention they run a LOT faster than a normal dog.

(Clocked mine at 41 miles per hour once.)

Not to mention they can jump six feet without a running start just up and over. They can also climb as well. Generally, they don't like other animals they haven't been raised with.

You also have to socialize them and so on and so forth.

I don't recomend getting one. I had one, best dog that I ever had, but then again, my father was a canid biologist who STUDIED wolves so we knew what we were doing. Besides, sometimes what dog they're crossed can be a nightmare.

Just get a Malamute or a Husky.

(And wolf-crosses have a MUCH more powerful bite. And can accidently rip poor Ms. Fletcher's kitties in half without meaning too.)
>> Anonymous
Mine was very submissive, but he was the greatest dog ever. He would go everywhere with me. Other dogs hated him and would try to attack him sometimes, so I had to protect him, but he'd still walk down the street where all the dogs were if I told him to.
Once we were walking and this little border collie dog was barking like crazy at us so I charged at it, and immediately my wolfdog's hackles stood straight up and he charged with me, emanating this nasty snarly growl.. If I actually intended to physically attack that collie, the wolfdog probably would have killed it with me.

Amazing, intelligent, gentle (but not with small animals) creatures. But also very confused. Conflicting instincts.

If not socialized right they can be fear-biters.

Strong chase and kill instincts.

They generally don't play like a regular dog. But they'll run beside you forever.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
You have to be careful about where you take your hybrid, because a lot of grooming shops and boarding facilities won't take them. Apparently there's little to no guarantee that a rabies vaccine will indeed immunize them, so hybrids are not allowed.
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>>88883

Sorry, I didn't realize they were that exclusive. You probably mean the Netherlands instead of Germany, though. Since the breed originates from the Netherlands.

What they did was, take a German Shephard and cross it with a wolf from the zoo in Rotterdam (where I live) and the result is this beautiful hybrid. I'll post a few pictures even though it won't help you much.
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Another one.
>> Anonymous
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Drrrt.
>> Anonymous
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Blærgh
>> Anonymous
Could somebody please explain what the whole point of wolfdogs is?
>> Anonymous
>>89105

So that you'll gain an amazing reputation among the neighbourhood kids as THE WOLFMAN.
>> Anonymous
>>88982
I have a hard time believing that wolf-dogs have that powerful bite as wolves themselves are topped by many dogs in that department. I don't mean most, just many. But those breeds are practically all very heavy-set. Maybe they just haven't learned to be as careful about it? Excessive Use of Force, etc.?
>> Anonymous
I live in Australia so instead of owning wolves I own a large amount of Dingoes
>> Anonymous
>>89121
But... but... butbutbut... BUT THEY ATE MY BABY!
>> Anonymous
So what about actual wolves? Is there a large difference between them and high-content wolfdogs?

>>89121
The fact that they won't stop pissing on your iglo doesn't mean that you own them.
>> Anonymous
>>87963
I'm sorry, I was referring more to full wolves on that part, as I have little experience with either wolves or wolfdogs, but I've met people whose family owned a wolf, which is why I was talking about the dominance thing.

I imagine wolfdogs are less hungup on dominance, indeed.
>> Anonymous
>>89105
I'd like one because wolfdogs are a little more intelligent and reserved than dogs. Though I think they were originally bred for their versatility, where dogs were for doing something specific.
>> Anonymous
Thanks everyone. Good to hear from some owners, too.

>>88982
It depends if I find an established wolfdog breeder, and read up on it more. Otherwise I'll get a husky. Are they really that difficult to take care of and socialise? I don't live with anyone else, but I could probably take him out alot. I've had some mischievous/tempered dogs in the past, but I've handled them pretty well.

>>88992
I've been reading up on how they 'play', actually. They lose they're attention quite alot faster. How'd you keep yours entertained?

>>89016
Where'd you pick that up?

>>89097
Beautiful animal, though I doubt I'll own one. I live in the UK, so perhaps I have a better chance of getting a utonagan.

>>89121
Any different to dogs?
>> Anonymous
>>89212
to answer the dingo question, even though i've never owned a dingo, its a wild canine. of course it is different from any dog.

>It is recommended that if dingoes are to be pets, they be adopted at a young age in order to help them bond with humans. However, dingoes are wild dogs and have strong hunting instincts. They may kill birds and small animals, and get into fights with other similarly sized mammals. When hunting larger animals, dingoes hassle or annoy their prey until the prey is off balance or tired, and the dingoes can attack.[15] They are accustomed to fighting for rank within the pack, and may do the same thing when playing or interacting with other domestic dogs, resulting in dog fights and the appearance of the dingo as the aggressive animal. Like other hunting dogs, dingoes need to be heavily worked in order to be happy and they need space to run. Dingoes do not enjoy sitting at home on the couch all day. In sum, as a result of this wild instinct, /dingoes do not make good domestic pets/.
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>>87950
Hello, I lived with a 90% wolf (10%...dog?) for several years, and in our particular case, the only big problem was that she would attack smaller non-canines pretty regularly if they approached her, and also when playing with other dogs, sometimes she would try to submit to them with wolf behaviour. The other dogs would not understand and get kind of angsty and offended. But most of the time she was a pleasure, not too much different then a regular dog!
>> Anonymous
They may be prone to attack small children as well. My recommendation is to get a regular dog and let wolves live in the wild where they're supposed to be.
>> DUR !4X8vLLNDE2
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I believe they are delicious.
>> Anonymous
>>88822

Those aren't wolfdogs, those are real wolves, at Skansen, zoo in Sweden. I can tell because that's a still from a Swedish nature show.