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environmental freak? Anonymous
since you love nature and animals, how much do you do to help the environment?

-recycle everything?
-use less water? quick showers only? sponge?
-use less power? turn off lights and so on?
-drive less? and fill the car with people?
-only eat vegan foods?
>> Anonymous
While linked, animals =/= nature.

That said, I don't really care about enviroment seeing as I'll be dead when it goes to hell.
>> Anonymous
i always impress on vegan chicks by telling them I dont even own a car, of course thats cuz im a poor college student, but that wouldnt be as cool a thing to say
>> Moo !XBOXgikTFw
I toss everything in one bag (glass too sometimes), shower like a half hour every day, leave light on a lot, drive as fast as I can and eat mostly meat =/.
>> Anonymous
I;
Wash resealable plastic tubs and glass jars, and use them like tuperware for a while before tossing them.
Keep everything off to save power
Eat mostly organic foods
Eat whatever vegetarian products I think taste alright. (boca chili, veggie bbq paties, rice milk)
Do not drive.
However most of this things are for money/health reasons...
>> Anonymous
I drive too much and don't eat vegan.
>> Anonymous
I certainly use less water, less power (turning lights and air conditioner off), i drive less (I walk back from school or use public transport).

And no, I'm not veggetarian, but I don't waste food.

Developing countries are more worried about those things...
>> Anonymous
Veganism is not ecologically responsible. That is a lie.
>> Anonymous
I don't drive anywhere unless it's out of the city. I keep my lights off most of the time unless I'm looking for something, my windows let in enough light to see fine. I take a 30 minute shower a day which I guess isn't too helpful but it beats some people...
>> Anonymous
>>118377
Anything over 10 minutes means you're masturbating.

As for the topic...
Let's see... I barely drive, I only turn lights on at night when I'm cooking or reading... My showers are reasonable but not efficient. I don't recycle anything (I would if the complex I lived in had the option). I eat meat whenever I feel like it, which is less than many people.
I do none of these things because I care about the planet.
>> Anonymous
>>118344
vegans are retards, not worth the vagoo. Get a red meat eating woman that likes to work out.
>>118405
I like to rinse off for a minute or two, wash my hair once, run a bar of soap over my body for a good bit of time(till I can't move my fingers across my skin, no oils left), wash my hair again, brush my teeth(in the shower), shave, and rinse off for a minute or two. But yeah, that's like 9:59.
>> Anonymous
I take a shower in 5 minutes, anything else is a waste of my precious time.
I like planting trees, and add moar to my yard almost every year. This is mainly because I like having a yard full of trees, and the hurricane knocked down a lot of mine.
>> Anonymous
I put paper and cartons in their right bins, electronics, glass and whatevers in their respective bins. These are collected by garbage trucks and taken to their respective recycling centers and disposed of or recycled properly. It feels right.

Where I live, water shortage is unlikely except in abnormal situations. Heck, the tapwater is even drinkable in large quantities by infants. However, I don't drink "mineral water" that has traveled across the continent and polluted on it's way.

The water is heated by nuclear powered district heating, as is my house. Instead of letting a huge condenser tower dump half the energy into the atmosphere (along with a lot of water), the waste heat is used for heating entire cities in winter. All our power plants and many large industries produce district heating, saving ludicrous amounts of oil and electricity.

I don't have a car, public transport is functional. My feet can take me to the supermarket and back, I have tried. Besides, exercise is good.

For the sake of the environment, I eat meat instead of jungle-razing soy products and other expensive foodstuffs that have traveled halfway over the globe. Vegan food is only good for the environment if grown locally. Soy products are particularly bad as they fund the burning of rainforests, not good for the environment.
>> Tit Kneader (´???)?(?(?
Eat vegan only
Eat as much locally produced food as possible
Purchase foods with little packaging or packaging that can be easily recycled
Use biodegradable shampoo and soap
Recycle most of my rubbish and compost any organic waste
I use my bike or take the train, I don't have a car
Turn off electrical devices if they're not being used i.e. lights, don't leave TV on standby

>>Veganism is not ecologically responsible. That is a lie.

Veganism is by no means perfect, but it's a damn sight more environmentally friendly than an omnivorous diet. It's energy inefficient, produces large amounts of run off and cattle are the biggest contributors of atmospheric methane ahead of transport.
>> Anonymous
I recycle everything I know is recyclable, unfortunately am not so good at saving water (girl, hour long shower, etc), don't waste power when I don't need to and am good about turning off lights, am too much of a recluse to worry about driving too much, and eat a lot of organic/free-range food but not exclusively that.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
-EAT MCDONALDS
-THROW GARBAGE OUT MY CAR WINDOW
-CONSUME AS MUCH MEAT AS POSSIBLE AT EVERY MEAL

Nah, I just kid.
>> Anonymous
pity recycling is more wasteful than just throwing something in a landfil
>> Anonymous
>>cattle are the biggest contributors of atmospheric methane ahead of transport.

That's why we're supposed to eat them, so carnivores are doing the Earth a favor.

-Eat my share of methane-producing animals
-Use non-plastic grocery bags

I can't really think of anymore.. But I'm sure there's more
>> Anonymous
You don't have to do all those things and love animals and nature at the same time...

However I do tend to take pretty quick showers to save water, but that's a money issue.
>> Anonymous
I'm hear for the pics of kyut kittens & couldn't care less for environments.
>> Anonymous
Recycle and compost - as much as is possible

Save water - not really (no risk of water shortages here)

Save power - yes

Drive less - as much as possible

Eat vegan - no, but I try to only eat locally grown, organic foods, to minimize the impact on the environment (also, they taste better and are healthier).
>> Anonymous
yeah the average 600ml bottle requires about 3 litres of water to sterilise and remelt the plastic.
thats pretty wasteful.
however i still seperate my paper and cardboard from my trash
>> Anonymous
>>118634
Remelt? You don't reuse the bottles where you live?
>> Anonymous
- Only recylce paper and cardboard.
- Don't really use much water, we don't have baths here, everyone just goes to shower.
- My apartment is so small I could have said to use little power, but I keep my server on 24/7.
- Don't own a car, always use public transportation.
- I eat everything I like. So no.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>-recycle everything?

It's illegal to throw out cardboard where I live, and recyclable paper will be as well soon. I also recycle metal, plastic, and glass.

-use less water? quick showers only? sponge?

I advocate watering frugally, and at night to reduce waste. I'd like to get a grey water system, but they're not legal here.

-use less power? turn off lights and so on?

I use CF bulbs when I can, and I try to keep lights and appliances off when they're not being used.

-drive less? and fill the car with people?

I cycle to work. My car is small, fuel efficient, and only used very rarely.

-only eat vegan foods?

Many tracts of land are too poor for agriculture, but fine for grazing by cows, sheep, or goats. Grain fed cattle have a highly negative environmental impact, but not all meat is that way.

Besides,vegan diets quite often lead to health problems. Low meat is a healthy choice, no meat isn't.
>> Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2
who cares
>> Anonymous
>>118654
The 23 people who posted non-sage replies before you, perhaps?
>> Anonymous
for every thing you do to spare the environment, the chinese will 150 things to hurt it. they're too busy developing to worry about silly things like maintaining an earth that's fit to live on.
>> Anonymous
-recycle everything?
mostly
-use less water? quick showers only? sponge?
not really
-use less power? turn off lights and so on?
yes
-drive less? and fill the car with people?
yes
-only eat vegan foods?
dairy, sometimes
>> Anonymous
>>118679

The sad truth, CHINA MUST DIE
>> Anonymous
>>118742

china is the oldest civilization on earth
they are older than the pyramid people
chinese will out live us all
>> Anonymous
-nope only when the recycling can is closer than the trash

-nope regular showers 2-3x daily

-nope 4 computers running 24-7

-nope random drives throughout the day

-don't eat beef or pork usually but do eat chickinz and fish
>> Anonymous
The world will be dead in 18 years
>> Anonymous
-recycle everything? No I live in a crappy apartment where that isnt an option
-use less water? I dont use that much to begin with .
-quick showers only?If I dont have to shave
-sponge? For mah dishes
-use less power? 2 computers
-turn off lights and so on? yes its summer no need for lights
-drive less? I take le auto bus or ride a bike
-and fill the car with people? The bus is already filled with people. Mostly the homeless and indians with lotsa children
-only eat vegan foods? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> Anonymous
As a family, we're pretty environmentally friendly(eat lots of vegies, work a block from where we live to minimize car travel, turn off everything at night and use window light during the day, quickly shower once a day). Unfortunately my community is'nt such the earth freak as we are. I live by the mississippi river in Louisiana, which means lots of coal sucking plants, and big barges moving up and down the river all day. Also, my communittee doesnt offer recycling anymore. I'm not sure we even make a difference here.
>> Tit Kneader (´???)?(?(?
>>That's why we're supposed to eat them, so carnivores are doing the Earth a favor.

Either that's a joke, or you don't understand supply and demand. Less people eating meat = less cows bred = less methane.

>>Besides,vegan diets quite often lead to health problems. Low meat is a healthy choice, no meat isn't.

Evidence please. You can get everything you need on a vegan diet. Do your research
>> Anonymous
For those who live close to bodies of water, how does water conservation help ANYTHING?

and the idea that vegan/vegetarian diet helps the planet is a big fat lie.

anonymous eats meat.
>> Anonymous
>>118838
listen to this man, he speaks the truth.
>> Anonymous
>>Either that's a joke, or you don't understand supply and demand. Less people eating meat = less cows bred = less methane.

This is a true statement, however, cows are not the largest generators of Methane. What is, you ask? PLANTS. Go read some papers by Keppler & Rockmann. There is a simplified article in the Feb '07 issue of Scientific American. Plants and natural decay (e.g. swamps) produce more than double the methane per year than ALL human sources (cattle ranching and industrial pollution, etc.) combined.


And while I do agree that you CAN get everything you need on a vegan diet, it is not easily done--and it depends on industrialization to ship you those specific foods you need for a nutritionally-balanced diet. A diet that includes some animal products makes it far easier to meet your nutritional needs.

Face it, if humans were meant to eat nothing but vegetables we'd have no bicuspids, giant molars, and ruminant stomachs.
>> Anonymous
>>118852

>>Face it, if humans were meant to eat nothing but vegetables we'd have no bicuspids, giant molars, and ruminant stomachs.

What about fruits, starchy tubers, nuts/seeds, legumes, and grains? These are all plant foods that don't require giant molars and ruminant stomachs to digest. They only require large brains (to figure out how to cook them) and color vision (in the case of fruit, to spot ripe ones). And guess what--we've got both! While we may have evolved on a diet that included meat, that doesn't mean that we can only thrive on a omnivorous diet. There is no scientific evidence to date that shows that a well-constructed vegan diet is detrimental to one's health, as the hundreds of thousands of thriving vegans in the world can attest to.
>> Anonymous
Veganism is a personal choice. While I believe in animal rights and all that, jumping down each others throats about a diet/lifestyle choice isn't going to fix anything.
>> Anonymous
>>118852

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0118-mpg.html

I realize you didn't specifically say they caused global warming, but that article's interesting nonetheless.
>> Anonymous
>>118877

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying people shouldn't eat fruits/veggies (we should) or that humans are straight-up carnivores (we aren't). I'm just pointing out that biologically we are omnivores.

Animals that feed on fruits and grains in the wild are also omnivorous.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash vegans/vegitarians. If that's what you want to do, go for it! Just don't claim that it's the "natural way".

A TYPICAL no-animal-products diet is unhealthy. Yes, it is possible to have a balanced vegan diet but such a diet requires a lot of effort to put together and even then it is only possible becasue of modern technology such as long-distance transport, refrigeration, and so on.
>> Anonymous
to end the veganism debate once and for all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_pyramid
and to those who dont feel like reading it through and understanding it, it proves that veganism HELPS the earth
>> Anonymous
>>118973

That made no sense whatsoever.

That wikipedia article has little to do with veganism at all, let alone "helping the earth".

You might as well have said: "Here's a link to Beethoven's 9th. This proves that cats are mammals."
>> Anonymous
THINK FUCKTARD! THINK..goddammit if you'd just put a little brain to it.
only 10% of the energy of the previous level is passed on. so as energy progresses through the pyramid, it becomes less and less. that should give you a little boost, since you're too dumb to understand it otherwise.
>> Anonymous
OK, while we're on the subject of thinking, time for YOU to think a little bit.

Go read the first three laws of thermodynamics. (and "put a little brain to it")

The physical world always finds its own optimal path. This governs every chemical reaction, every moving object, every growing organism.


For example, why do hawks eat rabbits? Because it is more efficient for a hawk to eat a rabbit which in turn eats grass than it is for a hawk to eat grass directly.

You want to suggest that humankind should stop eating animals and should instead eat vegetative growth directly. That does indeed maximize energy...IF YOU IGNORE THE ENERGY COSTS REQUIRED TO BRING YOU YOUR VEGAN DIET. When you factor in the costs of preparing your vegan diet: collecting and delivering a specific mix of various foods from all over the world, processing some of them (removing the wheat from the chaff, so to speak) the system becomes STRONGLY net negative.

If I dropped you in a field somewhere and you couldn't touch meat you'd starve to death. You'd expend more calories scrounging up plant matter to eat than you'd get back eating what you found. (Alas, we lack the ability to digest roughage). On the other hand, if you were willing to eat a herbivore that puts some of that roughage into an easily digestible form, you might just live.

Sure, there's a big loss in usable energy between the grass and the rabbit. But it's a smaller loss that you running around trying to dig up tubers.
>> Anonymous
>>118973

um, can you explain exactly what you mean by "helps the earth"? That's a pretty vague statement right there, and I have a hard time seeing how Veganism "helps" much of anything.

Do you want to save chickens from getting eaten? Well, you'd better be prepared to kill off a lot of foxes, racoons, canines of various sorts, etc...

Are we all going to eat alfalfa and lettuce? ZOMG! We need to bulldoze the mountains and flood the deserts so we can grow all that stuff!
>> Bendee
facts:
Growing plants needs some area. where does that come from: Nature
(the area of the field, the storage/processing facilites, the road to the field)
Growing plants are bad for enviroment:
(planting, harvesting, spraying, protectng from wild animals)
Logistics: Transport, packaging, refrigerating

I know animals need to be fed with forage crops, but animals eat usually (almost) all part of a plant, ande forage crops can be grown more easily

eating plants instead = more animals = more metane from animals

eating meat or veggie uses quite the same "nature" :D

a true enivorment-caring vegan grows what he eats or buys from the grower. and he could also eat meat which he can get this way.

eat what you can buy from the nearest source! meat or vegetable
if you care for the enviroment!
>> Bendee
growing plants also need fertilizing and watering sometimes which are very bad for enviroment
>> Anonymous
While the meatheads and the sproutnazis fight over which is teh Wan Troo Religin, they all miss the point: too many fucking people makes Mother Earth a saaaad panda.

Don't worry. She's gonna make a correction soon enough.
>> Anonymous
>>119149
Livestock eat more plants than humans do.

Doing away with animal agriculture would free up food resources which could be used for human consumption.
>> Anonymous
- I donate several hundred dollars a year for wildlife preservation and animal welfare. I will donate much more in the future when I have a well-paid job.
- I have stocks in an ecological oriented fonds, and it does quite well :-).
- I don't have a car.
- I generally try to recylce and to produce as less garbage as possible.
- I try to save energy, as long as it does not affect my computer. You have to draw the line somewhere ;-).

Though:
- I buy stuff online which has to be shipped from all over the world because it's cheaper.
- I eat meat.
>> Anonymous
>>119154
It is amazing to me how many times it needs to be repeated, and that it still never sinks in.

CATTLE DO NOT EAT THE SAME GRAIN WE EAT. WE GIVE THEM GRAIN WE CANNOT DIGEST. THIS GRAIN GROWS IN PLACES WHERE THE GRAIN WE CAN DIGEST CANNOT GROW.

Caps lock doesn't help, but it does make me feel better.
>> Anonymous
>>119167
there there... *touches your penis* ...let it all out
>> Anonymous
>>119169
asterisks, lol
>> Anonymous
I am afraid of the dark so all lights are on all of the time (including daylight,shadows are creepy)

I live in Arizona and temperatures are in the 110's right now but I like wearing sweaters so AC all the way up.

I eat as much meat as I can since I am trying to build up some muscle so I can fight off the monsters that hide in the dark, and in the creepy shadows.

Showers make me feel all warm and fuzzy so sometimes I take naps with the water running while I doze near the tub.

I am afraid of getting into a car accident so I drive a hummer and I don't like the freeways so I take city streets, it takes longer but thats ok I have plenty of time.

I don't really like cleaning so when my house starts smelling funky I just spray a whole bunch of air freshener everywhere and the recycleable comes on tuesday mornings but monday nights I have poker at my buddies house and I don't get home till late and don't wake up until 10-11 am on tuesday (well after the truck has come by) so I don't bother with recycling.
>> Anonymous
MY environmental contribution will be to not have more than 2 kids.
I haven't eaten vegatables directly since I was about 2 and a half years old. I eat vegetables through things like potato chips and such but this is simply a taste/texture concern: I cannot palate vegetables, whether this is psychologicl or not (I am also a supertaster, ie more tastebuds at the front). I eat plain meat (usually cow) for every night-time meal, along with plain rice, pasta or bread. I'm 27 now and have no (known) health problems. I am just under my optimal weight for my height and practise gymnastics.
I do not take any supplements.
Will I live long? who knows haha.
I give to WSPA every month, and in general find animals and nature to be THE single most fascinating thing in the universe. If i was alone starving on a desert island I don't know if I could bring myself to kill anything to eat it, but circumstances may change that feeling at the time.
I don't squash bugs, I put them, outside, and ask others to do the same if I am there. I will go out of my way to move them off footpaths or what have you.
I semi-recycle, there is a paper and plastic plastic bin at work, and we sort them at home too, but I am not vigilant.
I am able walk to work every day, if its raining i take electric bus (easy in the town i am from luckily). Plus I dont' have a licence anyway.
I dont use heating in winter, I wear more blankets/clothes. I don't time my showers. I don't mind the dark.

I live in NZ, so we are lucky to have really good locally "grown" meat, and probably veges and fruit.

So basically most of what I do to not harm the environment is simply side-effects from living my life in a pleasurable way. I despair for the environmental state, and what we are doing to populations of animals, but I don't seem to be able to turn that despair into a positive motivation. I know there are a lot of people like me, and I hope we can sort it out.
>> Anonymous
Acording to wikipedia, cattle produce enough methane gas to equell all the greenhouse effect provided by all the emmisions and comercial polutents not linked with the industrial meat complex.

so if your a vegetarian you can drive in a Cadillac you've converted over to crude oil and be A-Ok as far as over all impact is concerned.
>> Anonymous
>>119212

If you are afraid of car accidents then why do you drive a shitfuck suv that will roll over and kill you the instant anything touches it?

You people are retarded and I hope you die.
>> Anonymous
>>119627
If you are on 4chan why do you respond seriously to trolls?
>> Anonymous
>>119627
It's a tro...oh, nevermind.

To reply to the OP:
-I drive about 2 hours daily to and from school and work.
-Our house doesn't have central air, so we have 2 ACs max running for a couple of hours most days.
-I definitely use more than my fair share of water, but am adjusting myself to a lower amount.

I do, however, unplug all electronics that I'm not using, use only compact fluorescent bulbs, drive with fuel efficiency in mind, and recycle all that I can.

Essentially, I hate harming the environment but will remain a hypocrite until I have the resources to make more of a difference.