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Greenpeace whale meat scandal whistleblowers arrested in Japan Anonymous
Tokyo, Japan — Japanese police have arrested two Greenpeace activists for exposing a whale meat scandal involving the government-sponsored whaling programme. The two activists, Junichi Sato, 31, and Toru Suzuki, 41, are being investigated for allegedly stealing a box of whale meat which they presented as evidence.

The box of the most expensive cuts of whale meat had been illicitly removed by crew of the Nisshin Maru, the whaling factory ship, following this year's Southern Ocean whale hunt. Its contents were marked "cardboard" and it was shipped to a private address. Tracked by our investigators, it was intercepted and turned over to the Public Prosecutor in Tokyo, as evidence of wide-scale corruption at the heart of the whaling operation in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

We requested an investigation into the scandal, and the Public Prosecutor agreed that there was sufficient evidence of wrongdoing. In light of evidence that the operators of the whaling operation were aware of the scandal and did nothing, we asked that the investigation not focus on crew, but on the bureaucrats who run the whaling programme at public expense. Instead, Japanese police arrested the Greenpeace activists in a show of force, occupying the Greenpeace offices with 40 police for more than 10 hours while they seized computers, documents, and cell phones.

The Japanese whaling programme costs the Japanese taxpayer 500 million yen per year (around 4.7 million US dollars).

http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/recent/outrage-greenpeace-whale-meat
>> Anonymous
sweet, two nuts down, hundreds more to go! Rot in hell greenpeace!
>> Anonymous
>>273417
Although somewhat deranged, I can't help but wonder if we are better off with them than without them.

Seriously, this kind of shit has to stop.
>> Anonymous
Maybe I'm a sick bastard, but after reading that my initial thought was "Wow, Whale meat must taste really fucking delicious..."
>> Anonymous
>>273422
Just tastes like some kind of sweet beef. Nothing extraordinary.

Japanese food isn't what you would call a very elaborate cuisine.
>> Anonymous
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Wow. Japan just gained shitloads of respect in my eyes.

Where I'm from, Greenpeace is basically against everything, and never ever offers any kind of solution to anything. Don't build nuclear plants (radiation is baad, mmmkay), don't build wind turbines (bad for birds, mmkay), don't build hydro plants (bad for rivers, mmkay), don't use biodiesel (bad for tropical forests, mmkay), don't use fossil fuels (GLOBAL WARMING RAAAGE), et cetera.

STOP WHINING YOU FUCKING HIPPIES, AND IF YOU DO WHINE, PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. AND NO, GOING BACK TO MEDIEVAL TIMES IS NOT A SOLUTION.
>> Anonymous
>>273432
your understanding of the global threat is limited.the balance of man and nature will be that man sees nature as more superior.and we must then follow what nature is trying to show man.
>> Anonymous
>>273432

I bet they don't have problems with solar power. The other forms, apart from nuclear (though fission is for faggots), are absolute shit. Solar power is the answer.
>> Anonymous
>>273422

They only eat the blubber and about 5% of the meat. The rest is ground up as fertilizer or pet food.
>> Anonymous
>>273439

Maybe so, but solar power sucks. Shitloads of special materials + lots of processing = they produce less energy in their life time than it takes to make them.

Sure, it is possible that someone someday invents a better way of utilizing solar power.
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>>273439
Solar power can't support industry or modern life, and it's currently too expensive.

>>273438
Blah blah, emotion-based environmentalist propaganda.
>> Anonymous
>>273451
idiotic response.nature being human or otherwise is controlling the situation,whether it be growth or destruction.view yourself before you view the image in the mirror.
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>>273452
Tell me more about this global threat and YOUR solutions to it.
>> Anonymous
>>273447

Nano-engineered photovoltaics are currently being engineered. The cost effectiveness will quickly go up within a few years.

Solar heat engines can be a cheap and efficient in the interim period, along with crap like nuclear fission.
>> Anonymous
>>273453
the hype in the world news is saying the present climate of world activity is changing and if we dont not change along with it ,it will prove difficult to sustain present levels of order.you needing an answer from outside of yourself to confirm what you already know is futile.nature will run its course and intelligence will try and work a new solution to the problems that mankind faces.there is no turning back the clock,we face mass extinctions,weather disruption and an energy crisis.im not saying the world and mans relation to it is over,just the way man believes he can control things to make something better than was already here.we come from nature,it is our "mother".to blindly think we can "rape" and "disrespect" without any payback ,is naive.the universe will not change if planet earth is snuffed out by the dominant species,it will just agree that certain things are not eternal.
>> Anonymous
>>273459
your broken english suggests that you are a chinafag. and I'm not a hippie or anything, but yeah you chinamen need to knock it off already. George W. Bush looks like Captain Planet next to you guys.
>> Anonymous
>>273466
>>WOO FUCK YEAH I'M DRUNK AND ON 4CHAN
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>>273459
>>the hype in the world news is saying the present climate of world activity is changing and if we dont not change along with it , it will prove difficult to sustain present levels of order.you needing an answer from outside of yourself to confirm what you already know is futile.nature will run its course and intelligence will try and work a new solution to the problems that mankind faces.

There is no clear evidence for or against man made global warming. Current warming is within the limits of natural process. I'm not saying man made global warming isn't real, I'm just saying that we need more research and some idiotic alarmists need to shut the fuck up. We're not going to die.

>>there is no turning back the clock,we face mass extinctions,weather disruption and an energy crisis.

Some species will die, no doubt. Some due man's own actions, some simply because their evolution has reached a dead end. There will be no mass extinctions, that is just propaganda supported by no scientific data. Energy crisis will come, but that's because we're running out of oil. Blaming possible man made global warming for weather distruptions is pure bullshit, since a warmer world causes less violent phenomenons in the atmosphere. Check any meteorology handbook.
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>>273459
>>im not saying the world and mans relation to it is over,just the way man believes he can control things to make something better than was already here.

I don't think that modern man thinks he's superior to nature. That was part of 19th century's idea of infinite progress and that was pretty much destroyed by two world wars. These days man in more afraid of the nature than ever before, and mostly for no good reason.

>>we come from nature,it is our "mother".to blindly think we can "rape" and "disrespect" without any payback , is naive.the universe will not change if planet earth is snuffed out by the dominant species,it will just agree that certain things are not eternal.

Nature is not alive, nature has no soul. It doesen't give a shit, it's not out there to kill you.
+2000 years ago idiots like you gave spirits to the rocks and trees.

Greenpeace is a political activist movement, that doesn't give a shit about scientific data, or the real world. They aren't here to offer solutions, they are here to cause panic and general unrest.
>> Anonymous
>>273477
one day you will understand.
>> Anonymous
>>273478
one day ,you 2 will understand
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Oh, you deleted your messages. How mature.

;_;
>> Anonymous
You can't say there's no evidence. The people who do say that are quasi-scientists hired by big corporations, who don't want to have to cut down on their pollutionary habits and whatnot, to say that global warning is all bunk and provide flimsy evidence to justify the statement.
>> Anonymous
yes i took away my postings in this thread
>> Anonymous
I don't give a shit about Greenpeace, but when the government arrests whistleblowers reporting on corruption in a government-run organization, that's pretty fucking shady right there.

>>273422
It's very fatty and rich, almost sort of greasy. If you've never had it before, it's not likely to be something you'd be into.
The relationship between humanity, its love of seafood, and the ocean environment is abusive at best. We tend to fish something near to extinction, then ease off and fish something else near to extinction. The Western world was all about oysters 60 years ago, and now we're on to crab and lobster.
The Japs are remarkable in this context. They don't move in cycles where different things come in and out of vogue, they seem out to clear-cut every goddamn fish in the sea. They'll eat any goddamn thing.
I'm not an environmental activist or nothing, I'm just a cook. My concern is whether or not I'm going to have crab to eat 50 years from now.
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>>273483
That's one point of view. I've read a lot about the subject over the past years, and since I'm not a scientist, all I can say is that I haven't seen clear evidence for Co2's effect on the climate. There is also much of contradicting data.

As long as the warming is withing natural limits, we just need more research. No reason to move back to dung huts, like the Greenpeace would like us to do.
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>>273491
More environmentalist bullshit. Polar bears have survived much warmer periods than it is today, and they still don't know what apples are.
>> Anonymous
>>273493
On May 14, 2008, the United States Department of the Interior listed the polar bear as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act.
>> Anonymous
>>273406
as you can see,your thread caused a dialogue of ignorance and blatant arrogance.i posted and deleted because of some people using my thoughts out of context with the full posting.the problem of corruption lays not in single acts of deviance but in the stand point of believing one person can decide for all.
only when people can take responsibility for there actions and be judged by a universal ideal can problems like this begin to fade away.governments of the world are blinded by payoffs and bribes,economy ruling in the place of sound and wise judgment.
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>>273504
You call this a dialogue? You posting irrelevant babble and deleting your posts afterwards?

Try answering to some rebuttals first, then this might be a dialogue.
>> Anonymous
>>273507
the very reason i deleted.good day.
>> Anonymous
If an animal is endangered, and the people trying to eat it are not starving or on a subsistance diet and have many other alternatives, then it should not be hunted.

And alternative sources of power must be researched and implimented. Fine, you want to mouth off about global warming being a conspiracy, or a natural process, go right ahead. The countries that are already affected by this are obviously more in touch with reality than you are. Global warming is a reality. The country I am in is strongly affected by it. It may be a natural process. I am studying environmental science because I want to be a practical environmentalist, someone with useful and practical ideas, and all of the data, papers, and books I have read suggest that the arguments saying that global warming *to the extent that it is reaching and the speed it is progressing* is entirely natural, are rather incorrect. You are welcome to disagree and continue burning fossil fuels.

However, if you use what little brain you have, you'd realise that just about everything in your room, your house, your street, your telephone cables, your city and your amerikka is made using some form of petrolium product in varying degrees of quantity. Shit, even the fucking paint on the walls, chances are. AND WE BURN THIS VITALLY IMPORTANT, LIMITED, UNBELIEVABLY USEFUL PRODUCT THAT SITS AT THE BASE OF ALL OUR MANUFACTURED GOODS? We stop burning oil, we massively reduce our carbon emissions output and can keep up our current manufacturing processes. We all get to keep our way of life. Everyone's a winner.
>> Anonymous
>>273512
"manufactured goods" are an invention of industrialization.the very monster that threatens humanity and the well being of planet earth.peoples basic needs are food clothes and shelter,what good does "manufactured goods"do if all of humanities needs cannot be met.and when i say all, i mean every person on earth.
>> Anonymous
>>273517


Nice computer you're typing on, troll. Practice what you preach. Take a knife, some woollen clothing- no, better yet, hide clothing or go naked- some hemp rope and and go bush. Has to be a proper knife too; has to be some made by hand, hammer and anvil. Or if you want to be a real purist, learn to flintnap.

It would be interesting to see how long you last out there.
>> Anonymous
>>273519
u are being obnoxious and obtuse.
survival skills i have and survival does not rely on manufactured goods.
but i do understand your immature way of thinking.life is easy with money in your pocket,traveling around in your prized motor car and living in a penthouse suite looking down on people you choose to believe are lesser than you.but here i digress.
you would be amazed at what humans can eat .not only from necessity but from free choice.water being the only substance of extreme importance to human survival.where do manufacturing business's in this world take responsibility for wasting such a precious commodity.you are blinded by your own ego drives,thinking you can outrun the threat we all face in the future.again i am feeding milk to poisonous snakes.
>> Anonymous
>>273527


I spent the last twelve months supporting my parents when they became too ill to work. I'm twenty five. I've cleaned blood up off the walls (spontaneous bleeds from massively high blood pressure) and vomit, piss and shit up from everywhere else. I've had my father faint and fall on top of me. I'm 5 3. He's 6 1. I couldn't get him off of me. Two weeks ago my mother collapsed on the bathroom floor and went semi concious, regained conciousness, had a fit, lost conciousness again and had to be carted off by an ambulance. I've handled my father's massive manic depressive mood swings. I've held his hand during yet more of my mother's life threatening crisis. Vice versa when he had a mini stroke. Until fairly recently, my wage was the one standing between their house and repossession. You think my life is easy? You think I live in a fucking penthouse? Both of my parents cannot work and are on a disability pension. Guess who gets looked down on? I can tell you, I'm not the one doing the looking. You think my way of thinking is immature? Great! I'd love a change to be immature. The next time one of my parents gets carted off to hospital, you can get in the fucking ambulance with them. I can stay home, and be immature.

Get back to reality you irrelevant, ill educated pothead. And get off the fucking computer. You're not qualified to use it.
>> Anonymous
>>273532
your story is of tragidy and of great courage,but if you believe the government is here to help you ,and you probably understand they are not,then you would realize the reasoning of OP's original posting.
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>>273532
Oh yeah?

Well...
I spent the last thirteen months supporting my parents and grandparents when they became too ill to work. I'm twenty four. I've cleaned blood up off the walls and ceiling (spontaneous bleeds from massively high blood pressure) and vomit, piss, mucus, and shit up from everywhere else. I've had my father faint and fall on top of me. I'm 5 2. He's 6 3 and 600 pounds. I couldn't get him off of me. Two weeks ago my mother collapsed on the bathroom floor and went semi concious, regained conciousness, had a fit, lost conciousness again and had to be carted off by an ambulance. I've handled my father's constant massive manic depressive mood swings. I've held his hand during yet more of my mother's life threatening crisis. Vice versa when he had a mega stroke. Until fairly recently, my wage was the one standing between their house and repossession. You think my life is easy? You think I live in a fucking penthouse? Both of my parents cannot work and are on a disability pension. Guess who gets looked down on? I can tell you, I'm not the one doing the looking. You think my way of thinking is immature? Great! I'd love a change to be immature. The next time one of my parents gets carted off to hospital, you can get in the fucking ambulance with them. I can stay home, and be immature.

Get back to reality you irrelevant, ill educated pothead. And get off the fucking computer. You're not qualified to use it.
>> Anonymous
>>273536


You know, you could have spun that out a lot better. At best, a 1.5/10.
>> Anonymous
>>273538
Yeah sorry dude I got lazy.
>> Anonymous
>>273540
did i just get trollolled.
>> NotAnotherAusfag !IYoSgG5c6U
>>273432
WHAT ABOUT GEOTHERMAL MATE?

Read the MIT report on geothermal power.
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>>273545
No can do, drilling hurts Gaia ;_;

No really, geothermal heating is awesome. My friend has it installed, says it takes as much energy as a fridge. Even during wintertime.
>> Anonymous
How did this faggotry go on for so long without any sage? I'm disappointed in you, /an/.
>> Anonymous
>>273477Current warming is within the limits of natural process. I'm not saying man made global warming isn't real, I'm just saying that we need more research and some idiotic alarmists need to shut the fuck up.
>>273490As long as the warming is withing natural limits, we just need more research.

lulz, we'll be researching until the day Earth turns back into a ball of molten lava.
>> Anonymous
>>273554
That's the first Advice Puppy I've genuinely laughed at.
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>>273483
Corporations are all...corporationy!
>> Anonymous
The typical position in topics of insufficient evidence is disbelief. Hold off on your sensationalism for a while until we have a more concrete understanding of what we're dealing with. There ARE such things as mini ice ages and mini warming periods.
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>>273493
What might these fruits be?

>>273517
Why does industrialization threaten humanity? Did it not bring us the artificial fertilizer that dramatically increases crop production, and hence feed more people?

>>273527
Tell us the threat then.

>>273532
That sounds unfortunate. What illnesses do they have?

>>273545
I thought geothermal power is available only at very select locations...?
>> Anonymous
>>273709

I suppose he meant a heat pump with heat exchangers buried to soil. It's available everywhere, but the system is quite expensive. Or at least it was expensive some years ago.

>>273663

Well, but it seems that only the Americans believe that there's not enough evidence.
>> Anonymous
>>273714
The U.N. said themselves their isn't enough evidence. It seems to me the Europeans are buying into sensationalism.
>> Anonymous
>>273477

The current extinction rate is at a higher level than it was during the K-T extinction event. 30,000-50,000 (some estimates go to 100,000) species die off per year mainly due to deforestation and various other habitat destruction caused almost entirely by humans. This is way, way above the background extinction rate. It's not even an issue of global climate change, though that might correlate.

It's called the Holocene extinction event.

http://www.iucn.org/bookstore/HTML-books/Red%20List%202004/completed/Executive%20Summary.html

"Among major species groups, the percentage of threatened species ranges between 12% and 52%. The IUCN Red List identifies 12% of birds as threatened, 23% of mammals, and 32% of amphibians. Although reptiles have not been completely assessed, the turtles and tortoises are relatively well reviewed with 42% threatened. Fishes are also poorly represented, but roughly a third of sharks, rays and chimaeras have been assessed and 18% of this group is threatened. Regional case studies on freshwater fishes indicate that these species might be more threatened than marine species. For example, 27% of the freshwater species assessed in eastern Africa were listed as threatened. Of plants, only conifers and cycads have been completely assessed with 25% and 52% threatened respectively."

But you may argue this is a natural part of what happens when a species like Homo sapiens spreads across the world. Extinctions have always followed the appearance of a group of humans in a new area. Megafauna doesn't exist anymore mainly because of that.

That doesn't mean we should stop progress though. It should keep moving forward because that's where all the solutions for sustainability lie. I'm more interested in the progression of humanity as a technological society, but our comfortable survival depends on the other species out there too.
>> Anonymous
>>273447
Do some research, dumbass:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pv_basics.html
>> Anonymous
>>273720
>...Megafauna doesn't exist anymore mainly because of that.

It was a combination of things. Changing climate left them weak, their weakness left them open to disease and easy predation to humans and other predators.
>> Anonymous
>>273729

Yes, but without humans some of it may have survived. Humans are a pretty big natural factor in whether a species lives or dies. We're pretty fucking destructive. Possibly the most powerful species ever to exist.

That's fucking sweet. But the early humans should have considered letting pygmy mammoths live so that we could domesticate them.

The climate wouldn't have affected all of them anyway. Lots of megafauna lived in temperate areas. Australia notably. There wasn't more than the aboriginals to kill the 30 foot snakes and giant kangaroos there with their fire farming or whatever it's called.
>> Anonymous
>>273738
I remember hearing one argument against human predation being a factor was one species in New Zealand, or an island near there. It was not inhabited by humans at all, yet, a large bird species still went extinct during the same extinction period that all the other megafauna went through.
>> Anonymous
>>273746

Ok. But that still doesn't get past the fact that humans can still wipe out a species, even if it's to finish a job started by a changing climate.

Right now though, since climate change doesn't exist apparently, we're the ones initiating the extinction.
>> Anonymous
>>273750
No one is arguing that humans can wipe out a species. What I AM saying is that during that event, it was not just humans that were responsible. Disease and changing climate played very significant factors in this extinction event.
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2 heroes. I salute them.
>> Anonymous
>>273447
>>273439
>>273432
Please watch this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SvB3PiPBozU
>> Anonymous
>>273781
100% scam.
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>>273721
>>273447

You guys are both faggots. Photovoltaics are TOTAL FAIL.

Learn2solar-thermal power. Concentrated and distributed.

Instead of wasting time with solar cells at 10-15% efficiency, use that shit as heat, drive rankine cycles or take care of your own home heating/cooling, and realize >40% efficiency of solar conversion.
>> Anonymous
>>273781
Pathetically stupid and wrong.
1. Basic thermodynamics fails this.
2. If this could work, there would be research on it in the general field of mechanical / electrical engineering. This is NOT being researched.
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>>273746
'>>273759
>>273750
>>273746
>>273738
>>273729
>>273720

A excellent book to read concerning the impact of humans coming into contact with large animal species is 'The Future Eaters' by Tim Flannery; pic related, marsupial lion.
>> gizmogal !MmLOyiCYJs
Does this involve Mr. Splashypants?
>> Anonymous
>>273811
I'll have to look into it, since large prehistoric mammals are some of my favorite animals.
>> Anonymous
>>273807
On a large scale yes you run into issues. But photovoltaics are better for smaller scale systems, like running your house. No moving parts is a big plus.
>> Anonymous
(around 4.7 million US dollars).

use money skimmed from taxpayers to run a generator