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/an/, I need a guide on training German Shepherd Dogs. I have a 2 month old GSD mix, and he's already trained to shit outside and whatnot, but I'm having no luck teaching him to sit or stay, etc.
>> Anonymous
http://www.dogtrainingbasics.com/articles.htm

My fav site
>> Anonymous
Also, treats- lots of treats, those are one of the key things to training a dog so it actually listens to you.
>> Anonymous
Hee!

Little guy looks so confused!
>> Anonymous
awwww
>> Anonymous
What, me worry?
>> Anonymous
Fucking treats fail. Only douchebags even bother with them. Treat raining is the easy way out of training you dog. You dog needs to listen to you because you are the pack leader and you must rein dominate over him. For traditional shit, like teaching him to 'come' make him wear a leash, and when you say come, pull him towards you, praising him--that is the reward, praise and a pat on the head. Giving your dog treats will only make him think that he it the pack leader, but when you HAVE to, make sure he is put in a sit--on your terms. Teaching 'sit' is pretty easy, pull him over to you and shove his bottom down while saying "sit!" then praise him while he's sitting, and if he getts up, without a word, pull him back down into the sit, on the same spot. Do it over and over if you have too, but don't get mad and don't repeat yourself too many times. Try and see if he will stay in a sit for about 10 seconds, the the cue to get up is 'release' that is when he can get out of the sit on YOUR terms. Does you dog even give a shit about you? Call him over to you and have him sit. Say his name softly and see if he turns to look at you, making sure he makes eye contact. If he ignores you than your dog is either a dumb fuck or he's the dominate one between you two. To see what way you would like to train your dog, I suggest you go to a libray and check out a bunch of diffrent dog training books, finding the most logical and effective for you and you dog. fuckface.
>> Anonymous
>>206378

Don't listen to this retard.

What he is telling you to do is teach your dog to fear you. The dog obeys to avoid punishment (being forced around i.e. pushed into a sit, pulled on a leash, etc) not to get the reward (praise).

Training dogs is a breed to breed, dog to dog thing. For instance, Huskies are intensely independent and do not listen well. This is not a dominance challenge, they are supposed to be like this. They obey only when there's a point or motivation to obey, the reason for this is they were bred as sled dogs to ignore the command of the handler if following it means injury/crash/etc. They need to make independent decisions.

There are a lot of breeds that are similar. It's not stupidity (well, except on the owners part for not being able to comprehend that).

To teach a dog to sit, all you need to do is put a treat (for instance, a toy or food) by his nose. And move it upwards, as his eye follows it looking up he will naturally come to a sit. After a few times he will get it.

Another simple way to teach commands is, when they sit or lay down on their own, say the command with it. They will associate the command with it, that way, you set them up to succeed, not fail.

The dominance theory is a flawed theory, so many holes in it that not even wolf behaviorist believes it, and it doesn't even take into account that humans are not wolves. I mean, fuck, not even Ceasar Milan advocates what the other poster says.

Being a pack leader is all about your energy. You need to always be postive, be someone for the dog to rely on and look up to. The dominant one in a pack is the one who distributes the food, not the most physical one. The ones who fight for rank are the ones below alpha.

TL;DR above poster is moron.
>> Anonymous
>>206380The dominance theory is a flawed theory, so many holes in it that not even wolf behaviorist believes it

Post refs? Not disagreeing here, just want to learn more.
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>>206391
Domestic dogs are not structured pack animals. They form mobs, rather than orderly communities. There is no "Alpha Dog" as there is an "Alpha Wolf". What is dominance to a wolf is simply bullying and fear to a dog.

The dog must respect you as its family and equal. It does something for you (fetches, sits, stays, etc) and you do something for it (cuddles, food, shelter).

Disclaimer: SOME breeds, known as aboriginal breeds, do form strict packs. These dogs are rare and the average mutt or lab or dalmatian doesn't. Some dogs are hardheaded and the techniques taught through dominance training can be used to earn these dogs respect, but to 95% of dogs, "dominance" = "fear me"
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>>206378
>>206380

These two posts are both right and wrong. Treats can be used to motivate dogs with excessive food drive (or overly stubborn dogs), but they should be sparing. They should be TREATS, not rewards. Do not give a treat every time the dog does what you ask, give it every 3-5 times. Change up the treats.
Leashes should be used on dogs that are slow to learn to heel, and to teach good leash manners in general. Its not necessary to restrict most dogs during training, but if your dog has a short attention span or is excessively stubborn, it can help to focus them. Training should never be done out in the open, do it in a room of your house that your dog feels comfortable in. NEVER EVER punish your dog while you try and teach him something. IGNORE bad behavior and distract him to get him on target. Reserve angry tones for serious, must-be-obeyed-NOW commands. If you yell all the time and sound angry, he will not know the difference between 'Come here so I can put the leash on you' and 'COME HERE, get away from the street!'

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>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
My method of training:
Every single training session begins with playtime. Throw a ball, play tug of war, get the dog happy and in a good mood, but not tired. If your dog loves to snuggle, give the dog tons of scratching and adoration.

To sit: Hold your hand like you have something in it. Possibly a treat, possibly nothing. Hold it over his nose and raise your hand, pointing swiftly down with your other hand. The dog SHOULD sit as it tracks your hand upwards, and the downward point will be the signal for sit. As soon as your dog's ass hits the ground, smile real big and tell him how wonderful he is because he sat down. Stop smiling as soon as he gets up (and he will, because you are talking happy and he is excited). Don't praise the dog until he is sitting. I have had dogs learn this almost instantly, my current dog took less than 10 minutes to pick up sit, and he is a fucking retard. The key is not training a task for hours on end.. its repetition and pop quizzes. Before you feed him? Tell him to sit. Before he goes outside? Make him sit. Sometimes ask him to sit for no reason, just so you have an excuse to praise him.
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To teach lay down, have him sit, then take your 'signal' hand and make hold it flat, palm down, while bringing your finger down from his face to the ground. He should lay down. Don't praise him if he just dips his head and checks out your hand, only reward him if he actually obeys the command. Lay down takes a little bit longer than sit, but is still pretty easy.

Your dog should know "come" or "heel" already. Seriously, if your dog does not figure out how to heel to you on his own within a week of having him, he may be a retard. Stay is basically just putting him in a sit (or lay down), moving a foot away, then telling him to heel and praising him when he does. Make the distance longer and longer each time, until you can be out of the room and have him stay. If he gets up to follow you, say "NO!" (or whatever your 'bad dog' command is), and put him back into a sit/down.

My overrall rule is to always teach a hand command, and use vocal cues sparingly. If every dog is taught "Stay" verbally, what is to stop an intruder from saying "stay" and the dog obeying? If it responds to a hand cue (palm forward, in classic 'stop' pose for stay, palm towards your body for heel, generally), then you don't have that problem. Or you could teach it commands in another language..

Anything else?
>> Anonymous
>>206433Anything else?

Does it work on the snailkittens?
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>206454
Well, they know sit, stay, and come. They don't listen unless you have food though.
>> Anonymous
>>206430

I am>>206380

I was not saying to always use treats. Just that it's a lot better than>>206378

You do want to wean the dog off it eventually. This was easy for my eager to please dogs (dogs that are motivated by my praise) but not nearly as easy with dogs that are not motivated by praise (independent breeds). Even now, it's hit and miss if my Husky does what I say, if he sees no point in it.

But I usually can manipulate his motivations in order to make him think it's a good idea to do it. However I did not get a husky to get a depedent and obedient dog... as most people should not either. I got one to have a dog that acts like a Husky.
>> Anonymous
That is one fucking cute dog.
>> Anonymous
A good tip is to teach your dogs commands in another language thats not likely to come up in day to day life. Usually stuff like sit and lay get lost in the garble of speaking, but Ive seen dogs respond while people are talking, they think you're commanding them. The hand signal thing is cool too, but don't rely on it too much. You want a dog looking at your face more than your hands. Your expression can tell your dog more than your hands can.

For sitting, I like to do the treat in the hand thing over the head, but real close. They'll naturally sit. For laying, hold it in front of their nose, drop to the floor slowly, and pull away. Sometimes they'll crawl after it. You can use that as a way to teach them to lay. You can also get low on the ground while maintaining eye contact. They might interpret that as you about to attack, but you can shift it into teaching them to lay also.
>> Anonymous
>>A good tip is to teach your dogs commands in another language

Are you saying OP should learn how to bark ?