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why is it so bad to eat cats/dogs and not cows and chickens?
>> Anonymous
Cats and dogs are cute.
>> Anonymous
herbivores = food
carnivores = pets
>> Anonymous
I;mdogs and cats are mostly domesticated as pets.
>> Anonymous
No reason.
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Why is it bad to eat insects?
I hear they're high in protein.
>> Anonymous
>>231016

Bugs aren't cute enough.

There's a very narrow range of acceptable cuteness for consumption.
>> Anonymous
hares and lambs dont apply?
>> Anonymous
>>231020

Hare and lamb is safely in the range. The lower end is at chicken and the high end is veal (which is slightly cuter than lamb).
>> Anonymous
The reasons usually are wholly emotional and cultural, not rational.

If you wanted a rational reason, it would be that it's easier and much less resource-demanding to grow cows and chickens for food than any carnivores. But that would only apply if people didn't have pet cats and dogs.
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>>230988
It is not bad. Pets, livestock, same thing.
>> Anonymous
Cow and chickens are stupid, that's why. Why is it so bad to eat dolphins and not tuna?

Though maybe if you put about 2 centuries or so into breeding house-broken and otherwise fully domesticated chickens and miniature cows you might wind up with something that's half the companion a dog or cat are.
>> Anonymous
>>230992
omg fail!
i hope i wasn't trolled but....
there is a herb in herbivores cause it means plant eaters DURE!
there is a carn in carnivore cause in spanish or latin.... i dunno about that.... but i know carne is meat... so it becomes meat eater!
any more brainbusters?
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>>231045
Dolphins are not fit for eating! They are fit for slaughter! They are dirty gangster of the sea!
>> Anonymous
Cats and dogs are useful. Since earliest times, dogs have been used to hunt food for humans, and cats have been used to hunt pests to humans.

What the dog could catch is what we eat today. What the cat could catch is what we hate today (mostly).

With the advent of never fending for yourself, let someone else grow and catch my dinner technology, these two animals that have always been around the house became "friends".
>> Anonymous
>>231054
Are you an idiot or a troll? He wasn't making an etymological connection, he was stating that the reason is that plant eaters are considered food and pure meat eaters are considered pets.

...

Concentrated populations create filth, filth breeds pests, pests breed pest hunters. Unless I have a severe misunderstanding the cats/dogs that are eaten in Asian countries are caught on the streets, not farmed. They're from the large populations of feral pets that exist because of little or no sanitation control. There's a surplus of them, people aren't picky about what they eat, so they eat them.

One notices that Japan isn't known people eating cats and dogs. This is because Japan is not a third-world shithole like China, Taiwan, etc.

...

Incidentally, one of the first things I would do in the event of a cataclysmic failure of civilized infrastructure is put my pets down, then preserve their meat. Letting them free in a post-apocalyptic society would be far more cruel, as they would suddenly be thrust into a desperate scenario where its would be very likely that someone ELSE would eventually eat them after they had lived in terror for a while.

Everything is relative.
>> Anonymous
>>231071
You do have a large misunderstanding of the reasons why these animals are eaten in east asian countries. Simply put, even a household pet can become a food item in protein-scarce times. Pets=livestock in many asian countries, simply livestock that gets a nicer life and maybe a name.
>> Anonymous
The nutritional value of an animals meat decreases the further you get up a food chain, that is why it is rare to get a food chain longer than 3 in nature (including the plant or producer) cats and dogs typically occupy position 3 in a food-chain like most carnivores so you have to eat a lot more of their meat than meat from a herbivore like a cute little bunny rabbit.

If OP is not just trolling he must not have made it past pre-GCSE biology.

>>231016

I've eaten insects, they taste like ice cream wafers, chocolate covered crickets taste just like a cadburys time out bar. Not an unpleasent experience, although legs can get caught between your teeth.
>> Anonymous
>>231075
He said East Asia was a third-world shithole and the population "aren't picky about what they eat."
You said "even a household pet can become a food item in protein-scarce times." Exactly how does he have such a great misunderstanding of the situation?

One good indicator of a third-rate shithole is that they don't have specialized sources of protein and people will eat anything with fur because they're desperate.

If a country has advanced to the point where the majority of folks can discriminate between where they get their protein, people stop eating cats and dogs. For farmers there are better livestock animals.
>> Anonymous
>>231071
>One notices that Japan isn't known people eating cats and dogs. This is because Japan is not a third-world shithole like China, Taiwan, etc.

No, Japan's only a first-world barbarian shithole that prefers to eat mercury-laden dolphins and whales, both of which are, incidentally, carnivorous. They also consume the most seafood out of the entire fucking planet, being the biggest fisher and the biggest importer of all seafood. Why the fuck would they want meat from dogs or cats when they're in such low numbers?
>> Anonymous
>>231085

Or that a country merely decided to use livestock for different purposes. All Asians have a culture in which cattle were put to work, so a live cow tilling the fields than a dead cow on the table for a few days. On the other hands, cats and dogs did jack all.

Also, don't go patting your fucking back about "third world shitholes" eating cats and dogs - The English, for example, only stopped eating dogs around the beginning of the 1900s, and the only reason cats and dogs stopped being eaten in western cultures is because they were associated with disease and plagues.
>> Anonymous
>>231088
>All Asians have a culture in which cattle were put to work, so a live cow tilling the fields than a dead cow on the table for a few days. On the other hands, cats and dogs did jack all.

No different from any other civilization with cattle. Oxen are always the preferred plough animals anywhere there are both cattle and any sort of tillage. Draft horses are faster and are bred primarily for driving quickly.

>
Also, don't go patting your fucking back about "third world shitholes" eating cats and dogs - The English, for example, only stopped eating dogs around the beginning of the 1900s, and the only reason cats and dogs stopped being eaten in western cultures is because they were associated with disease and plagues.

All you demonstrate was that England until 1900 was a third-rate shithole from a modern first-world perspective, which it was. You are implying I am some kind of occidental xenophobe.

Additionally, the association with disease with cats and dogs is only a rationale for not eating them. If the organized farming of livestock and fishing industries were not enough to support the population's protein population, eating dogs and cats would never have fallen out of favor and become taboo, for whatever stated or imagined reason - intelligence, disease, social ability, cuddly fur, etc.
>> Anonymous
>>231089
All you demonstrate was that England until 1900 was a third-rate shithole from a modern first-world perspective, which it was.

So? Asian tiger economies are by no means "third world shitholes" today, but you insist that it's because they used to be shitholes, they continue to eat cats and dogs. Upon which... the example of England, for one, fails. Also, by what applies for standards back in the days, England wasn't a shithole.

> You are implying I am some kind of occidental xenophobe.

Duh. Just because the system doesn't stem from YOUR culture, it doesn't allow you to arbitarily label it as low-class, or as you so delicately put it, 'coming from a third world shithole'. I'm glad you're of that sort of philosophical thought. You'd have fitted right in with the colonial Australians and their Terra Nullius bullshit.

I mean, how else am I supposed to make assumptions about a guy who calls any Asian culture stemming from a "third-world shithole" aside from being rabidly xenophobic? You call that the height of reasoned discussion?

>Additionally, the association with disease with cats and dogs is only a rationale for not eating them blah blah blah blah blah how great and logical the current prevailing western culture is blah

... are you fucking dense or something? In Asia, until SARS rolled around, people NEVER had to associate disease and plague with dogs and cats, as opposed to Europe which had the massive wave of bubonic plague only relatively recently in terms of human history.

Now that they DO, people in China are beating their cats to death or some other shit like that. Can't please you no matter what they do, can they?

Also, primarily raising cattle by no means implies a civilized culture. Mongolia has faded into obscurity with their horse and cattle raising that was supposed to give them so much leverage over the rice-eating Chinese, and same with Tibet.
>> Anonymous
>>231087
>>231088
You can tell when someone feels like they're losing an argument on this board, because they tend to sage like crazy.

About mercury-laden dolphins, etc, first it's a single village, and they kill them to eliminate competition for fish (not any better really, but it's not the whole fucking country). About whales I don't know; I haven't heard about Japanese eating whales in recent times. As for fish, what the fuck else are they going to eat? They're a mountainous fucking island.

If China could live on fish, maybe they wouldn't eat so many damn cats.

>>231089
I can see an animal's being s significant plague vector being a deterrant to eating them even in dire times, for instance during the Black Plague (from eating rats), but you're probably right.
>> Anonymous
>>231092
Why do you think Japan has a "scientific" whaling fleet? To do cutting edge cetacean science? Seriously. All that whale meat ends up in stores and eaten by the Japs.
>> Anonymous
>>231090
China is still a third-world shithole. Maybe it's not third-world anymore, but it's still a shithole. Incidentally, you're arguing with two people now (I'm the original 'third-world shithole' poster, the guy you're referencing is continuing my line of argument).

I'm not racist or xenophobic; I don't have anything against people of a specific race. What I hate is certain cultures. Ancient China was pretty kickass in its day; they had gunpowder, art, math, all that nice stuff.

But present-day China is a steaming pile of shit. Or, to be more literal, a steaming pile of toxic waste. Their concept of honor is so fucked up that there's nothing wrong with trying to pass off discarded industrial oil as food-grade cooking oil UNLESS you get caught. And then it's ok as long as you can shift the blame to someone else.

Their government is shit, their ethics are shit, and the resultant culture is shit.

The people themselves are just people, and most of them couldn't do anything about their country sucking if they wanted to.
>> Anonymous
>>231094
It's to figure out a way to perform sustainable whaling. Meaning, they're trying to figure out how to do it without actually hurting the whale population. Incidentally, this has nothing to do with the original question.

Also, I notice that you haven't really provided a convincing counter-argument to my initial post:

>>231071
>> Anonymous
>>231092

Pretty sure the fucker's wrong, since his argumentative stance seems to be "western culture which is the dominant culture doesn't eat dogs and cats, that's how they became the dominant culture and therefore you shouldn't eat dogs and cats" - I believe the technical term for that is "circular argument".

His "third world shithole" argument still doesn't explain why tiger economies like Singapore, Taiwan, (formerly) HK and Korea still has people that choose to eat eat dogs and/or cats. Not that anyone eats cat on purpose even in China or Vietnam, mind you. Cat meat is still the classic scam meat.

Also, have you EVER considered the REMOTE POSSIBILITY that people sage this thing because they don't like bullshit artists pretending they're the height of anthropological studies? No? Nevertheless, I'd actually prefer that lolcats or caturday or whatever that bullshit's called nowadays on my /an/ instead of this lowbrow "DURR HURR WE'RE BETTER BECAUSE WE DO X" bullshit.
>> Anonymous
>>231096

>China is still a third-world shithole. Maybe it's not third-world anymore, but it's still a shithole.

... So? I live in Sydney. Sydney's a first-world city in a first-world country, and trust me, you KNOW you're in a first-world country when you have genuine licenced Hello Kitty goods.
Now, if I drive out 300km from here into somewhere out past Blue Mountains, I go into areas where people don't even wear clothes because they haven't got any. The North Korean government presents propaganda videos showing slums of NYC, sewer alleys of Paris and suicidal people in Germany to convince their people that they don't live in a shithole.

To further illustrate my point : Ever been to Shanghai? I haven't been to Shanghai either, mind you, but those articles of the city's skyline on National Geographic looked mighty impressive.

>Their government is shit, their ethics are shit, and the resultant culture is shit.

...So is that of any other country. I would for one be more abhorrent of Japan's thoroughly corrupt feudal government and their xenophobic, mysogynistic culture and ethical mindsets. Or The glorious U S of A's thoroughly bleeding-money-out-the-sides haphazard federal and state governments and their curiously bigoted pole up a stick Christian population.

Or the Korean/Taiwanese governments where the populace doesn't need a dedicated wrestling channel because the finals are held in parliament house... Shall I go on?
>> Anonymous
cats and dogs are carnivores

it is not only energy/nutritionally inefficient to eat carnivores (far more calories and food went into producing the same amount of food vs normal foodanimals)

but they also concentrate harmful things (toxins, diseases, pollution) because they are higher on the food chain
>> Anonymous
>>231085
>>231089
I'm this fag.

>>231090
>So? Asian tiger economies are by no means "third world shitholes" today, but you insist that it's because they used to be shitholes, they continue to eat cats and dogs. Upon which... the example of England, for one, fails. Also, by what applies for standards back in the days, England wasn't a shithole.

England WAS a shithole. Coal-fired factories belching shit into the skies, little control over quality of food, unsafe labor practices, chronic undernourishment and unemployment of the population, etc. Most East Asian countries ARE shitholes for similar reasons. Not because of race, not because the west is inately superior, but because of quality of life. Quit trying to paint me as some kind of hick klansman.

>Duh. Just because the system doesn't stem from YOUR culture, it doesn't allow you to arbitarily label it as low-class, or as you so delicately put it, 'coming from a third world shithole'. I'm glad you're of that sort of philosophical thought. You'd have fitted right in with the colonial Australians and their Terra Nullius bullshit.

I don't know much about Australia. However, I believe I feel it is safe to assume that colonial Australia was also a third-world shithole, from our modern perspective, for the reasons I've outlined before. Culture has little to do with it, I certainly don't think colonial Australians were savages because they like boomerangs or, say, drink beer instead of wine or hard liquor.
>> Anonymous
>>231104
cont.

>I mean, how else am I supposed to make assumptions about a guy who calls any Asian culture stemming from a "third-world shithole" aside from being rabidly xenophobic? You call that the height of reasoned discussion?

I call any third-world shithole a third-world shithole. If I wanted to use more civilized language, I might call them "developing economies," but we're on 4chan, so I'm saying shithole.

>... are you fucking dense or something? In Asia, until SARS rolled around, people NEVER had to associate disease and plague with dogs and cats, as opposed to Europe which had the massive wave of bubonic plague only relatively recently in terms of human history.

Listen. Bubonic plague comes from the Far East. If East Asian peoples never associated the same animals with disease that Europeans did, it is because they couldn't spare the taboo. If you have to eat cats and dogs to live well, because nobody's developed a comprehensive source of meat, its never going to become taboo. You can't spare the expense of not eating meat.

>Also, primarily raising cattle by no means implies a civilized culture. Mongolia has faded into obscurity with their horse and cattle raising that was supposed to give them so much leverage over the rice-eating Chinese, and same with Tibet.

China imports rice from California. A lot of it. America is in fact the largest exporter of rice in the world. I don't know what the deal is with the failure of Mongolia's meat market - my guess is, since the country is mostly desert, water - but incompetence is not the argument you want to be using if your trying to demonstrate the area is not a shithole. China does not make enough to feed itself. That is what makes it a shithole where people have to eat cats and dogs. That is the calling card of a third-rate third-world shithole.
>> Anonymous
>>231099
I still haven't seen a convincing counter-argument for my initial 'third-world-shithole' post.

All I've seen is a bunch of people whining because I called most of east Asia third-world shitholes. What the hell's wrong with you people? This is fucking 4chan.

Are you people Chinese or something? Why the hell are you getting so worked up over name-calling? Give me a reason to change my mind about China and maybe I will.

Until then, I stand by my hypothesis: Places where people eat cats and dogs lack sanitation and a sufficient agricultural and/or transportation infrastructure, leading to an overabundance of feral (or semi-feral) predators combined with a lack of sufficient food for the lower classes (and possibly middle classes) resulting in a greater than average tendency to eat animals that only exist in their current state because they were bred to be household pets and hunting partners.

Incidentally, I could believe that cat and dog are just 'scam meat' but I'm leaning towards not believing it because of numerous photos I've seen of people openly cooking cats in recognizable condition.
>> Anonymous
>>231106
cont.

>Now that they DO (associate dogs/cats w/disease), people in China are beating their cats to death or some other shit like that. Can't please you no matter what they do, can they?

I think having to kill large populations of feral cats to clean up the urban environment is just as emblematic of a third-world shithole as killing them for food, yes.
>> Anonymous
>>231087
Why would it be barbaric to eat dolphins and whales? They're made of meat.
>> Anonymous
>>231104
Just for clarification again, I'm this fag. Since I'm arguing about taboos with the culture relativist, I have to come back to this point:

>>231088
>On the other hands, cats and dogs did jack all.

This is an apologetic cop-out. All cats catch mice. All dogs are intelligent and workable. The notion that East Asian dogs and cats are less capable or useful then Western counterparts is ridiculous, as is the implication that they had no valuable work to do.

Just as the association you state between dogs/cats and disease in the West is only a rationale to not eat them, so is the rationale that cats and dogs are more useful as foodstuffs a rationale the opposite way. No sane farmer would herd dogs or cats for meat, just like no farmer grows Emmer or Einkorn wheat anymore. There are more efficient species to use.

Cats and dogs are more useful as working and social animals, not meat sacks. That is what they have been bred for; even the Siamese cat - as East Asian a breed as there is - isn't marketed as a "delicious" cat, its marketed for its personality and looks.
>> Anonymous
Original shithole guy here.

>>231104
>>231106
Thank you.

>>231102
Actually, I would like it if you went on. I find it interesting.

Much as I hate the image of America (which is what I called the US out of habit) as the home of bigoted Christian assholes, I did prove your point.

While you haven't necessarily convinced me I'm wrong about China, you have reminded me that until I know for sure what I'm talking about (I'll admit I've not researched China at all) I shouldn't use strong language about the subject.
>> Anonymous
>>231112here.
Also, I recognize that my aggressive attitude is a result of a natural tendency to feel superior.
>> Anonymous
>>231111
cont.

I will give you an oriental example: as described in John Hershey's A Single Pebble, large gangs of rural peasants were used as "trackers," pulling merchant junks up Chinese rivers to deliver salt cargoes to inland towns. This novel was written about China in the 1920s, long after steam/propeller travel up the rivers became possible. The Chinese merchants of the time were very resistant to changing from junks to steamship for, as they said, the sweat and blood (tracking was very dangerous) of the trackers made the salt taste better.

That is, of course, absolutely ludicrous. But in order for the old system of the salt trade to work, the organizers and consumers all had to convince themselves that it was the best or only way so as to feel better about themselves and sleep soundly at night. Few people would be happy thinking they were putting a 100 or so people through grueling labor for the hell of it. So when a new solution was offered, rather than compare the two and tabulate just how awful their old system was, esoteric reasoning was employed to keep from facing that realization: the steamboats were cursed, the river deity would get angry, salt tasted better when pulled, etc....

This was just one example; rational abortions and cultural isolationism happens wherever people don't want to confront their own problems and inefficiencies, the West included. Cats and dogs are great to eat, America is a Christian nation, Allah is the greatest, and British India collasped because the kaffirs refused to become civilized like proper Englishmen.
>> Anonymous
>>231107

Don't you fucking get it? Western culture being the dominant culture has everything to do with them barging and raping the fuck out of other countries to artificially boost their economy, and has jack all to do with them preferring to eat cows.

Yeah, we get it, western culture is dominant culture, and said dominant culture also happens to not currently indulge in woof woof or meow meow, and since you already beat the crap out of any dissenting populations, majority rules, whoop de fucking doo.

... and so fucking what? Are you now about to argue that eating cow meat makes you more likely to win wars you start on unsuspecting populaces? Eating cow meat makes you more likely to invent better firearms or some shit? Is it actually morally superior? Is cow meat really upon some sort of bastion that dog meat can't ever hope to reach? You have no original argument that couldn't be seen as some sort of stupid back-patting farce.
>> Anonymous
>>231098
"Scientific whaling" is a joke. The entire scientific community agrees on this. It produces no useful science. It's an excuse to catch whales for sale, nothing more. And I do believe less people would have trouble with Japan catching whales if it wasn't for the LYING about valid scientific motivations, when there is no such thing.
>> Anonymous
>>231115
Cow meat is like... awesome, dude.
>> Anonymous
Original shithole guy again.

>>231115
what the hell are you talking about?

I never said there was anything wrong with eating cat or dog. Never did I say this. In fact, I said myself I would do so first thing if I knew America's transportation infrastructure had collapsed for some reason. Well, not first thing, but you get the idea.

Alright, so I was being a superior ass, and I apologize for that. I didn't know 4chan/an/ was so sensitive to harsh language.

But why the fuck are you going on about the West raiding other countries? Where the hell did this come from? It has nothing to do with other cultures eating cats. It has nothing to do with anything said by myself or anyone else.

Aside from being irrelevant to the topic at hand, you seriously sound like you're out of your fucking mind.
>> Anonymous
>>231115
>Are you now about to argue that eating cow meat makes you more likely to win wars you start on unsuspecting populaces? Eating cow meat makes you more likely to invent better firearms or some shit? Is cow meat really upon some sort of bastion that dog meat can't ever hope to reach?

You're finally starting to catch on, culture relativist Anon! Cows have in fact been bred since time out of mind to provide humans with milk and meat, hence societies that primarily eat their meat tend to be the most successful agriculturally. And as "an army always marches on its stomach," better-fed societies are often better at war! Using cows for meat instead of dogs and cats frees up much more of the population to specialize in manufacturing and theoretical research, leading to guns and other weapons.

Show me the breed of dog that's been bred as an animal of slaughter.

Countries where you have to eat cats and dogs - or believe eating cats and dogs is a food staple - are third-world shitholes.
>> Anonymous
>>231118
In theory, research might provide a method of sustainable whaling, but I agree that research probably wouldn't involve actually... whaling.

Anyway, still more or less irrelevant to the topic at hand. I like whales, but not so much that I'd let the upper class of Japan eating them upset me.
>> Anonymous
>>231107
>Until then, I stand by my hypothesis: Places where people eat cats and dogs lack sanitation...
... So, put it in layman's words, you're basically saying "People who eat cats and dogs are dirty fuckers who can't even earn a day's living to feed themselves, but curiously enough, there is SO MUCH TRASH produced by such poor people that one can have the pickings of alley cats and dogs and other forms of vermin. As a result, they turned upon their poor Fido and Kitty which they originally had the resources to breed and train to do something that totally had nothing to do with making an earning".

...Look, let me break this down to you:

1) When people are so poor they have cobwebs over their arseholes, they don't possess much, nor do they get to throw away much. There is no vermin in dirt poor villages.

2) People in Asia live by caste systems. The butchers were in the lowest caste thanks to a Hindu-Buddhist societal norms, alongside prostitues, slaves and entertainers. With the exception of slaves, these people were the most likely to have a ready supply of meat.

3) Saying that cats and dogs are assumed to be trained to do something OTHER than be raised as livestock and be eaten is saying they had the resources to do that. I know what breed of dog Koreans eat, for example, and it's a primitive type of dog that does nothing but be fed and occasionally bite the hand that feeds it.

... you know jack all about Asia, yet you're sitting there so secure in your apparent superiority and forming all these theories. Won't you just fucking give up now?
>> Anonymous
>>231118
Whale meat is good eatings. I'd like to try some cetacean yummies.
>> Anonymous
>>231123
>In theory, research might provide a method of sustainable whaling, but I agree that research probably wouldn't involve actually... whaling.

There was an article I saw recently on digg from the Sydney Morning Herald (speaking of Australians...) reviewing the published research Japan has produced over their 2 decades of "scientific whaling." It was only 40 or so research papers that were termed "useless" or "esoteric."

One could probably write a book about why the Japanese have such a fetish for whale meat (and other things...)

http://news.smh.com.au/japan-whale-experiments-bizarre-report/20080308-1xyj.html
>> Anonymous
>>231121

Exactly my point: you have jack all to feel superior about. So why even bring it up in the first place?

>>231122

They're breeds farmed primarily for eating. They don't do fancy county shows where they show off the meatiest dog or whatever your weird dreams take you. Do you honestly think that there are AKC web sites with breed standards for these dogs?
>> Anonymous
This whole debate is stupid. We eat animals. We can eat ALL animals. It doesn't harm us. As long as we're not driving the fuckers to extinction, everyone should whatever the fuck they want. Whales? Yummy slabs grilling in the barbie! Dogs? Pass me some chow! Dolphins? I think I already had some with my tuna.

This whole societal anthropomorphization of "cute" animals like whales, dolphins and animals often seen as pets is stupid.
WE EAT STUFF!
>> Anonymous
>>231122

6/10 - I've heard better from PETAfags. Try harder.
>> Anonymous
>>231114

*sigh* So you picked up a Chinese example of that, whoop de fucking doo. Would you like me to tell you aboout how the glorious nation of the United States of America got the entire world into using leaded petrol DESPITE knowing what lead does to people? Or the poor radium ladies who never found out that the glow paint they used to work with were causing their bones to become brittle sponges and collapse in on themselves?

The reason the Chinese refused to change their method of transportation had to do with controlling the immediate salt market's supply and demand, and jack all to do with 'an inferior culture not realising superior methods'. It's merely a demonstration of human greed, which exists in all cultures, all levels, with multiple consequences. It's got everything to do with being human, but jack all to do with being a particular race.
>> Anonymous
>>231124
>1) When people are so poor they have cobwebs over their arseholes, they don't possess much, nor do they get to throw away much. There is no vermin in dirt poor villages.

Country romanticism.

>2) People in Asia live by caste systems. The butchers were in the lowest caste thanks to a Hindu-Buddhist societal norms, alongside prostitues, slaves and entertainers. With the exception of slaves, these people were the most likely to have a ready supply of meat.

Interesting, but maladaptive, and hence not something that works in your favor.

>3) Saying that cats and dogs are assumed to be trained to do something OTHER than be raised as livestock and be eaten is saying they had the resources to do that.

Sounds like a cultural apology. Isn't the third-world shithole argument founded on the same lack-of-resources argument?

>I know what breed of dog Koreans eat, for example, and it's a primitive type of dog that does nothing but be fed and occasionally bite the hand that feeds it.

Interesting. I would like to know more about this beefstock dog. Currently I suspect it is neither an efficient way of raising meat, nor a good use of dog.

>they turned upon their poor Fido and Kitty which they originally had the resources to breed and train...

Just in general, you seem to have a desperate view of what it takes to manage an agricultural economic sector. Like its normal to get meat wherever the fuck you can. Who cares if any particular dog and cat were originally pets or not? Cats and dogs as a species are poor substitutes for beef cattle or any other meat stock. A matured economy in a first-world culture would not have people consuming cats and dogs as anything other than a luxury item; and if most people AREN'T doing it, it would probably come taboo like it did in the West when cattle and pig stocks became sufficient.
>> Anonymous
>>231124
Have you posted in this thread before? If so, why the fuck didn't you say that in the first place? If not, then welcome, that's exactly the kind of counter argument I was asking for. And I already apologized for being an ass.

First, no one ever said the animals being eaten were ever trained. They were BRED, but that's genetic. Every 'natural' breed of cat, for instance, is huge compared to a housecat.

Second, I never discounted the possibility of people eating dog because they preferred it. But if they do, it would be a relatively small market because of aforementioned inefficiency of farming carnivores for food. Also, the existence of such a market indicates that people are willing to pay more for carnivore meat for some reason; perhaps because they were used to eating it in years past when their country wasn't as well off? I never said ALL east Asian countries were shitholes.

Anyway, my hypothesis is still valid if you assume that only the lower classes eat cat and dog meat for the aforementioned reasons. If the middle classes are well enough off they could easily sustain a large vermin population.

In any case it's not like cat or dog could be a staple of their diet.
>> Anonymous
>>231130
Lol, that's not what we're arguing about.
>> Anonymous
>>231134
>*sigh* So you picked up a Chinese example of that, whoop de fucking doo. Would you like me to tell you aboout how the glorious nation of the United States of America...

God you are dumb. That's exactly my point! I said this:

>This was just one example; rational abortions and cultural isolationism happens wherever people don't want to confront their own problems and inefficiencies, the West included. Cats and dogs are great to eat, America is a Christian nation, Allah is the greatest, and British India collasped because the kaffirs refused to become civilized like proper Englishmen.

Your arguments tell me so much about your psychology. You have a desperate and deep-seeded need to turn this into an East-Asia-against-the-world polemic, and your cultural isolational relativism is the product of an insular and xenophobic mind. Any place that eats dogs and cats is third-world, its not all about Eat Asia. I talk about the English, you say yeah Fuck England! I give a Chinese example, you say yeah but America...

>The reason the Chinese refused to change their method of transportation had to do with controlling the immediate salt market's supply and demand, and jack all to do with 'an inferior culture not realizing superior methods'...

More of the same from you; you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with a strawman. Areas of the world that have developed better sources of beef have moved beyond cats and dogs and fetishes them as pets and made them taboo as food - simply rationales. Areas of the world that are stuck with eating cats and dogs because they haven't got a better beef staple claim they are delicious and there nothing wrong with it, when it is evidence of maladaption. All just rationales. Pulling salt boats up a river is maladaptive when you could steam. Eventually someone did and their limited market when away, and it resulted in an improvement in the marketplace and in quality of life.
>> Anonymous
>>231132

I can tell you're a troll because you said "PETAfag." It is well understood and obvious that a country with a more efficient farming sector would be able to specialize in science and war to a much great degree. That is, for example, the central thesis of Jared Diamond's well-known "Guns, Germs, and Steel."
>> Anonymous
Original shithole guy here.

>>231140
Wow I need to read that book. Been meaning to for a while...

Anyway, you're a much better debater than I am. Nice to have met you, Anon.

And with that, it's time to eat some fucking breakfast.
>> Anonymous
>>231143
Like you surmised, I'm the 2nd shithole guy.

I should further explain that Diamond's book is an attempt to answer the question posed to him by an articulate Australasian aborigine; "Why do Europeans have more cargo?" where cargo is slang for stuff. As Diamond notes, the aborigines are no dumber than Europeans. He even states, somewhat romantically, that they are on the whole more likable and intelligent.

So Diamond attempts to show how the farm plants and animals that were originally domesticated in the Fertile Crescent, and then moved to Europe as the Crescent dried out, are the keystones of the world's best agricultural system. Because these plants and animals were unavailable on other continents, and did not spread eastward due to cultural jingoism on the part of the Chinese and Indians, they ended up being a decisive advantage over the centuries. The great mixture of farm animals and crops exposed the Europeans to many diseases (cowpox, etc.) and let a comparatively larger percentage of the population specialize in non-agricultural pursuits, which led to eventual superiority in things like guns and steel. Thus: Guns, Germs, and Steel. A more catchy title than "Cows, Pigs, and Wheat."

Even today, the difference is pretty plain: in the US, 2% of the population both feeds the other 98%. In China, to give an example pertinent to this thread, 45% of the population can't feed the other 55%, so the country imports rice and eats cats and dogs.

I don't mean to say the US agricultural sector is perfect; there are bad issues involving government incentives and fertilizer/pesticide runoff. But I mean - in China, there's a place where farmers HAND POLLINATE the flowers because a government pesticide program killed off all the bees. And yet the Chinese government wonders why all the mobile kids are giving up farming and moving to the cities...
>> Anonymous
China,Taiwan,Korea eat cat/dog
japan eat dohplin, whales, raw meat
Thailand and mexico eat insects
India, Indonasi eat rats
Europe eat snails
America eat greasy cancer inducing and heart burn stuff

I think it is awwwwright!
>> Anonymous
also...which part of the world where people eat people....canibalist?
>> Anonymous
>>231155
Everywhere. Cannibalism is a war behavior it is currently believed that modern man inherited from our human ancestors, first changed into ritual, and finally into folklore and myth.
>> Anonymous
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>>231153
Finland eat lampreys. Mmm, delicious lampreys!
>> Anonymous
>>231153

Americans eats squirrels, something an European would generally not contemplate (though I have heard they should be quite tasty).
>> Anonymous
>>231153
>Europe eat snails
Fuck you only the french do that and even we hate them.
There is a dish that involves some kind of crow though...
>> Anonymous
People don't like to eat animals with a certain level of intelligence. Dogs and cats are domesticated whereas livestock have been bred to be eaten. There's no moral reason.
>> Anonymous
>>231187
So humans that don't live in westernized countries aren't people?
>> Anonymous
>>231190
>So humans that don't live in westernized countries aren't people?

LETS START THIS THREAD AGAIN
>> Anonymous
>>231165
fucking disgusting
>> Anonymous
You guys are thinking too hard...it's because cows and chickens are delicious.
>> Anonymous
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!! ENFOIRES DE RICAINS DE MERDE!!!ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE, LE JOUR DE GLOIRE EST ARRIVE!!
WE FUCK THE WHOLE WORLD WITH OUR MIDGET-PRESIDENT!!!
>> Anonymous
>>231197
So?
Snakes taste good too.
>> Anonymous
I'm saging this motherfucker.
>> Anonymous
I BET IS TASTE GOOD WITH CHIPS
>> Anonymous
>>231174
escargot dish has been exported everywhere, retard
>> Anonymous
>>231198
ta gueule
>> Anonymous
The clear top gives the cat some false hope.
>> Anonymous
>>231205

too many little boney bits.
>> Anonymous
>>230992
/thread
>> Anonymous
becuase cats and dogs were usefull to man for pest control and companionship, Cows and Chickens dont have the intelligence or behavior to do the same. And so, it has been imbedded in many western cultures to have Dogs and Cats as pets, not food.
>> Anonymous
>>232213
huge dog make good dildo for the ladies
>> Anonymous
My father's family is country folk, and has eaten every animal under the sun. Except cats and dogs.

Dogs are great for FINDING other food. it's like with rabbits and cows. You don't kill the mama rabbit, you capture her babies and let them grow fat while mama makes more; and with milk cows, you don't just kill them right away, you get milk and cheese from them. Dogs are also a renewable resource. Let them chase down some raccoons and fetch some ducks for a few years.

And cats, well they just taste bad, from what I hear.
>> Anonymous
old animals that can't make milk/suck at tracking others are tough meated
>> Anonymous
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I can't in good conscience knowingly eat a cat but if you don't know what it is it probably is no big deal.
>> Anonymous
It's also not so good to eat predators. Cats and dogs, being not top of the food chain, wouldn't be so bad, but think of like the big sharks. So many people eat shark fin soup every year. And what do they get? A high rate of mercury poisoning. When an animal eats another animal, the chemicals and shit concentrate, so the higher up the food chain the animal is, the worse it is for you to eat.
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>> Anonymous
wanna see why?
>> Anonymous
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this is why, Animals have emotions too! Vegatarian Plox
>> Anonymous
>>233392
Man, I remember one of my dogs got hit by a car. The other dog, a cocker/poodle mix, uttered a howl so lupine that it scared me, the EXACT moment it happened. Gave me the willies...so we all stood around in a circle, remembering the dog and all, and I asked my husband, "Light a candle, Jack."
>> Anonymous
>>233402
>I asked my husband, "Light a candle, Jack."
>"Light a candle, Jack."
>a candle, Jack."
>candleJack
>> Anonymous
>>232213
a pig is more intelligent than your average dog.
>> Anonymous
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i bet cats and dogs are goddamn delicious
>> Anonymous
>>233392
christ, Asians are douchebags.
>> Anonymous
>>230988

Because that is how we were raised. Also it's unhealthy to eat carnivorous animals, especially big ones.
>> Anonymous
I'm hungry!
>> Anonymous
>>233437
I see what he did there
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
I think it has to do with the domestication.
Its the whole "Mans Best Friend" I mean, you wouldnt want to eat your best friend would you?
>> Anonymous
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>>233559
I already have