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salt water aquariums :O) Anonymous
I got my first salt water aquarium (size 8 biocube) about two weeks ago and found that live rock comes with many critters. As of right now i found that I have 5 brittle stars, feather dusters, a little crab, and spaghetti worms. Im really excited to start adding fish sometime this week :O) so just post all your aquarium pics!
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OP here. this is a pic of the first brittle star i found. and the next pic is just one of my live rocks.
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>> Anonymous
Looks like a really nice start op.
Unfortunatly I'm at work and don't have pics of my reef tank.
>> Anonymous
>live rock comes with many critters
OMG! And me thinking that the rock was alive in itself!
>> LokI
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Good luck with your nanocube. 8 gallons is it? I hate to tell you this but it is really too small for most fish. If you plan on keeping some inverts there are some really neat ones out there that you can get, and if you can keep the levels right, and have good lights they are good for slow growing coral. I also hate telling you this too but your brittle stars are probably going to die, and the feather dusters will almost certainly die. It takes longer than a week to add a fish. I would allow the aquarium to mature for at least a couple of months. I would also think about adding some macro algae because Nitrogen is going to be a problem in a system that small. I dunno if I would even put a fish in there, there really only is a few species of goby you can keep, or maybe something like an ocellaris clownfish. Also the sandbed is too shallow. Go with at least 3" of sand in the bottom. Subscribe to this http://www.coralmagazine.com/ magazine if you seriously want to know about keeping saltwater animals. I hate to sound like a pretentious prick here but I see too many people go to their local pet store and buy whatever the man in the fish dept says they need. He's going to sell you a bunch of crap you don't need so his sales look better. (The 3 pack of Kent Marine chemicals.) DO NOT PUT THAT IODINE IN THE WATER. If you have any questions do not hesitate to post questions and I will follow this thread and answer. I've been keeping a pair of Ocellaris clowns and a pair of Premnas biaculeatu for 5 years now so feel free to ask me any questions, I can also recommend you some good reef books.
>> Anonymous
Where did you buy this stuff? I've been wanting to try my hand at a salt water aquarium for a while. Mostly, where did you get the Live Rock or whatever it's called?
>> Anonymous
>>284106
OP, this anon is well intentioned, but does not know what he is talking about unfortunatly.

>>I also hate telling you this too but your brittle stars are probably going to die, and the feather dusters will almost certainly die

The tiny brittle stars and feather dusters that come in on your live rock will almost certainly live untill you treat the water with some nonreef medication (dont do that lol) or you put in a fish that eats them (some wrasses etc...).

>> It takes longer than a week to add a fish. I would allow the aquarium to mature for at least a couple of months.

If you have a suitable amount of live rock (which you do) then the tank is immediatly "cyc;ed" or "mature." The only thing limiting you is your ability at maintaining water quality.

>>I would also think about adding some macro algae because Nitrogen is going to be a problem in a system that small

Don's add macro, it'll take over a system that small. All aquariums have nitrate so he's kinda right there, but an amazingly easy 4 gallon water change every week or two will fix all of that. The falacy of "OMG SMALL TANK = HIGH NITRATE" is only true if you stock at greater densitys than a comparable larger tank. For instance, a few gobys in a 8g is the same as a few dwarf angelfish in a 75g, but you don't see people going "OMG 2 FISH IN A &%G FUCK YOU"RE SCREWED!11!"
>> Anonymous
>>284330
>>Also the sandbed is too shallow. Go with at least 3" of sand in the bottom
This is stupid for some many reasons, you can not have any sand if you wanted. The sand bed in a tank that small will not do any Deep snad bed type filtering...water changes are all you need and they are easy.

>>Subscribe to this http://www.coralmagazine.com/ magazine
you must be european since that magazine is not readily available in the states. It's a pretty magazine, but as far as every magazine greatly increasing your knowledge of husbandry it is amazingly lacking.
Hang out at Reefcentral.com instead OP

>> I see too many people go to their local pet store and buy whatever the man in the fish dept says they need. He's going to sell you a bunch of crap you don't need so his sales look better
I work at an amazing reef store asshat, and I'm usually talking people that think they know everything OUT OF ADDING MORE FISH OR CHEMICALS.

>>DO NOT PUT THAT IODINE IN THE WATER
Idoine has been shown again and again to be helpful (not needed, but they do grow faster, without a doubt) in softie growth/extension and euphyliia tissue/skeleton coverage. In a small tank like OPs you are right, his water changes will probably keep up with the iodine.

>>I've been keeping a pair of Ocellaris clowns and a pair of Premnas biaculeatu for 5 years now
Either you have a very large tank, or two tanks. Becuase any reefer worth his salt knows that 99 out of 100 times maroon clowns will kill any other species of clowns in the same zip code as themselves.
>> Anonymous
>>283977
Fish off the top of my head:
Pygmy cherub angelfish
orchid dottyback
Other dottybacks and pseudochromis
Royal Gramma
Firefish/purple firefish
trimma/eviota gobys
clown goby
blue neon goby
Rainfordi goby
Hectori goby
many more kinda of gobies

Many kinds of watchman gobies to pair up with a pistol shrimp (so cool to watch) including
Stonogobiops nematodes (many common names, my fav fish)
yellow watchman goby
yasa hasa goby
Randalls goby

Bicolor blenny (great little fish)
flametail blenny

Possum wrasses (several kinds, so fucking cool)
I wouldn't add the popular sixline, they can be mean in a tank that small. Maybe a small flasher or fairy wrasse of some sort.

NO PAIRS: Percula or ocelaris clownfish

Red streak cardinalfish

Pygmy geometric hawkfish


THose are just the ones I can think of as I type. Of cuarse you need to take into account your stocking density..adding a clown or cherub angel will mean less other little fish..
Keeping the fish tiny though means you can have a shit ton of tiny fish in there since they have almost NO bioload except for the food you feed them
>> Anonymous
OP here. thanks for all the advice so far. To begin with, my tank has been cycling for about a month now. Even before i started my tank i bought The Nano-Reef Handbook by CR Brightwell and i also have been taking advice from a friend who works with salt water aquariums. I have been doing my tests once a week and doing biweekly 50% water changes. For two weeks i was adding microbacteria, which was advised by one of the people at the local aquarium store i go to.For fish im thinking of maybe starting out with a neon goby. I do understand that there are only so many fish i can get and that are also compatible with a nano reef. Im planning on maybe just getting three fish. I hope that so far im doing things right, i really do want my nano reef to do good :O)
>> Anonymous
OP here. to be exact my tank has been cycling for 19 days. So far ive also been trying to keep up a log of temps, salinity, livestock, waterchanges, ph, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.
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Honestly You should have bought a larger tank for your first (maybe 30ish gallons) because you're gonna be like OMG I WANT MORE ROOM soon. whatever tank you currently have.... is never large enough. God I upgraded a 55 to a 75 system 7months ago and I'm already thinking about bumping up to 90.
>> Anonymous
>>284334
i'd stay away from a rainfords, they tend to need lots of rock for pods, etc. like the dragonets and often do poorly in smaller systems (unless you are going to stock the tank consistently with pods) the nanocubes/biocubes are nice tanks otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>284480
rainfords and hectors are almost identical, and I've never seen one that would not eat prepared food like a champ.
>> LokI
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>>284330
>>284331
Is an idiot
>The tiny brittle stars and feather dusters that come in on your live rock will almost certainly live untill you treat the water with some nonreef medication (dont do that lol) or you put in a fish that eats them (some wrasses etc...).

The TINY brittle stars will live, but that huge fucker OP took a picture of will most likely die. It's very rare for the larger starfish to live any length of time. 6 months, or a year, doesn't count as a long time, some of these guys can live decades if not longer in the wild.

>If you have a suitable amount of live rock (which you do) then the tank is immediatly "cyc;ed" or "mature." The only thing limiting you is your ability at maintaining water quality.

So Mr. Science, what constitutes a suitable amount of live rock? I'd like to know how exactly you determined this ratio of water and rock just by a couple of pictures, and no, his tank is not immediately "cyc;ed" {cycled <-fixed} just because he used live rock. He will have die off and will have Nitrogen from the die off from using the live rock.

>Don's add macro, it'll take over a system that small.

Not True, you will need to trim it and keep it maintained of course, however it will not Take over.

>All aquariums have nitrate so he's kinda right there,

Yes, I am right, and Nitrogen is the enemy.

>but an amazingly easy 4 gallon water change every week or two will fix all of that.

;) sure it will, keep telling people that. His tank will be in constant flux if you do that and he will not be able to keep some of the more sensitive critters that live in aquariums.
>> LokI
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>I work at an amazing reef store asshat, and I'm usually talking people that think they know everything OUT OF ADDING MORE FISH OR CHEMICALS.

I'm sure you do shithead, an amazing reef store that is probably like 80-90% of all the other pretentious reef stores out there. They hire kids who are amazed they can keep the fish and coral alive for the 2-4 weeks that they remain in stock, so they think they must be the ultimate reef guru because of this. Neverminding the fact that most reef creatures take longer than 2-4 weeks to die provided the water conditions are not absolutely terrible.

>Idoine has been shown again and again to be helpful (not needed, but they do grow faster, without a doubt) in softie growth/extension and euphyliia tissue/skeleton coverage. In a small tank like OPs you are right, his water changes will probably keep up with the iodine.

Iodine is helpful in trace amounts, which is what the ocean naturally has. Iodine is not helpful in the concentrations that Fish stores and the bottle recommends. Iodine that is higher than trace concentrations has been shown to force molting in invertebrates and can kill certain corals. He will never have trouble with a lack of iodine. It is not something that needs to be added to the water. Ditto with the strontium and molybdenum. The only thing he should be adding to the water is a buffer, calcium, and Magnesium.

>Either you have a very large tank, or two tanks. Becuase any reefer worth his salt knows that 99 out of 100 times maroon clowns will kill any other species of clowns in the same zip code as themselves.

Once again you must be a genius, I have two tanks that have been up for 5 years, and both pairs of the clowns breed every month or so.
>> LokI
To OP:
I would hold off on doing the water changes for the first month or so, give the system a little time to stabilize. Don't bother adding the bottle of bacteria, that's just something the reef store will sell you to make more money. The bacteria in the rock will be sufficient. Three fish might be pushing it, they are going to have to be really small fish, and you aren't going to be able to add them at the same time without overloading the bacteria in the aquarium.

>>284480
>I'd stay away from a rainfords, they tend to need lots of rock for pods, etc. like the dragonets and often do poorly in smaller systems (unless you are going to stock the tank consistently with pods) the nanocubes/biocubes are nice tanks otherwise.

That is absolutely right.
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>>283977
>and found that live rock comes with many critters.

are you implying you got them without knowing it? if so...
JACKPOT
>> Anonymous
>>284529
i got a fuck load of snails from a plant i once got, i swear, there must have been at least 50 very small snails in that tank
>> Anonymous
>>284530
How is that relevant? Also, snails and their eggs are EXTREMELY common on plants. That's why you take steps to remove them BEFORE you put them in your tank.
>> Anonymous
I've never had a problem with the brittle stars living for years, it's usually he linkias and the other stars that die slowly in your tank. the brittle are usually excellent scavengers, I soak some krill in some zeocon and the come running for it.

Just make sure it is not a banded serpent, or you'll notice your fish start going missing.

>>284486

I've seen MANY that waste away even taking prepared food. they simply need to be able to browse constantly.
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Sorry OP but I can only think of Thrice cream man when I look at that formation
>> Anonymous
>>284508
>>So Mr. Science, what constitutes a suitable amount of live rock? I'd like to know how exactly you determined this ratio of water and rock just by a couple of pictures, and no, his tank is not immediately "cyc;ed" {cycled <-fixed} just because he used live rock. He will have die off and will have Nitrogen from the die off from using the live rock.

You are right, I did assume that the rock was cured already. I assume you know what that means. That tank must have 10lbs of lr at least, more than enough bacteria to support any four of those fish on that list added at one time, with no ammonia. Again assuming the rock was cured, And it looked like it was.


>>Not True, you will need to trim it and keep it maintained of course, however it will not Take over.

I've never know people who added a caulerpa species to a small tank that didn't regret it. Macro in your display was cool in 1998.

>but an amazingly easy 4 gallon water change every week or two will fix all of that.

;) sure it will, keep telling people that. His tank will be in constant flux if you do that and he will not be able to keep some of the more sensitive critters that live in aquariums.

Lol, I bet a book you were going to recomend to op was by Anthony Calfo, ask him how he maintains his nano tank full of acropora...a 100%-fish-flopping-on-the-sand water change. Same temp, same pH, less nitrates, no problem. They have these things called skimmers now too gramps, you can take your undergravel filter. Many great acro/clam nano tanks are kept using large weekly water changes. Flux my ass. Corals can't survive thermoclines and low tides either huh?

The TINY brittle stars will live, but that huge fucker OP took a picture of will most likely die. It's very rare for the larger starfish to live any length of time. 6 months, or a year, doesn't count as a long time, some of these guys can live decades if not longer in the wild.
>> Anonymous
>>284691

Yeah that sure looks like a linkia to me.


I'm sure you do shithead, an amazing reef store that is probably like 80-90% of all the other pretentious reef stores out there. They hire kids who are amazed they can keep the fish and coral alive for the 2-4 weeks that they remain in stock, so they think they must be the ultimate reef guru because of this. Neverminding the fact that most reef creatures take longer than 2-4 weeks to die provided the water conditions are not absolutely terrible

>>actually my store has two full-time owners, plus a person who has been in aquaculture for 10 years, and me, with a biochem degree getting my masters in ecology (aquatic toxicology if you are wondering). One of the ways we make good money is by buying tiny acro frags for $10 and growing them up to colony size so people will pay $80 for them. One time we had a blasto merletti in the store grow from 4 heads to 20+ heads until somebody would buy it. We haven't bought xenia in years, we grow our own, four kinds. We also grow most of our own hammer/torch/frogspawn frags. We propagate our own rose bubble tip anemones, and I could go on but you look dumb enough already. I'm sure that you see stores like you mention all the time, the ones with dendronepthias and sun polyps and nonphoto gorgonians, you know the ones, maybe thats why you got your live rock through the mail, uncured, so you had die off, unlike op.

I did agree with you about the iodine right? I think I did. Ca/Alk/Mag, all you need
>> Anonymous
>>284694

>>The bacteria in the rock will be sufficient
What are you a fucking genius? How do you know anything about bacteria and live rock from those couple pictures lol!11!

FYI: I think you are a very intelligent reefer and much better than most I encounter, maybe better than I am, we'll never know, but the whole thing about having a ton of cured lr in a tank and still having to wait a month to add fish just really makes me rage. It strikes me as old school and backwards. It reminds me of telling someone a white lie "for their own good." Kinda like the watts of light and inches of fish per gallon rules. Shit made up so that people who know better don't have to explain anything to others who don't.
>> Anonymous
>>284691
on the flip side, you'll also see many of the old time SPS keepers on reef central who never do ANY water changes. in the marine hobby you'll always get 5 different answers from 5 different people. The advice I give to people in the store I work in is take the advice of more experienced people and conform it to what works for you. In the end most people only really learn from experience anyways.

>>284694
so I guess all three of us are in agreement with the iodine. I only use it for dips for coral or when I'm trying to save a euphyllia thats got the brown jelly (mostly hopeless anyways)
>> Anonymous
>>284588
I love that show.
>> LokI
>>284691
>>284694
>>284695

>You are right, I did assume that the rock was cured already. I assume you know what that means. That tank must have 10lbs of lr at least, more than enough bacteria to support any four of those fish on that list added at one time, with no ammonia. Again assuming the rock was cured, And it looked like it was.

Of course I'm right, but even if the rock is cured at the fish store he is going to have die off unless they bagged his rock in water and his tank has very close water conditions to the pet store. There will almost certainly always be some die off. Also, four fish is a lot of fish for 8 gallons of water, I don't care how small they are.

>I've never know people who added a caulerpa species to a small tank that didn't regret it. Macro in your display was cool in 1998.

That's funny because I know very few people who regret it, some people like it, some don't. I also never said caulerpa, there are other species out there too ya know. I happen to think they look good, and I know it helps with nitrogen, so who cares if it was cool in 1998? Do you follow EVERY fad that this hobby goes through? I'll bet when putting 9000 watts per gallon of water was cool you went out and bought a bunch of MH lamps, but I'll bet you don't use them today. Not all of us can afford to go out and buy the latest and greatest only to put it in storage as soon as it's not cool anymore.

>Lol, I bet a book you were going to recomend to op was by Anthony Calfo, ask him how he maintains his nano tank full of acropora...a 100%-fish-flopping-on-the-sand water change.

No in fact I wasn't, you're making assumptions again.

>They have these things called skimmers now too gramps,

They sure do, and they work, I never said anything against them.

>you can take your undergravel filter.

Haven't used one of those since the '90s
>> LokI
>Many great acro/clam nano tanks are kept using large weekly water changes. Flux my ass. Corals can't survive thermoclines and low tides either huh?

So do you think that the thermoclines and low tides are necessarily good for the corals Mr. Calfo?

>Yeah that sure looks like a linkia to me.

Never said it was a linkia, you're really good at misquoting and taking things out of context aren't you?

>I could go on but you look dumb enough already.

Really? because with all of the misquoting and taking things out of context I don't think I'm the one looking dumb.

>I'm sure that you see stores like you mention all the time, the ones with dendronepthias and sun polyps and nonphoto gorgonians, you know the ones,

Yeah I do see them all over, I'm sure you do too, because for every good store, there are 100 that are crap.

>maybe thats why you got your live rock through the mail, uncured, so you had die off, unlike op.

Wow, psychic and a genius, your so good you got that one wrong too.

>I did agree with you about the iodine right? I think I did. Ca/Alk/Mag, all you need

>What are you a fucking genius? How do you know anything about bacteria and live rock from those couple pictures lol!11!

Why yes, I am a fucking genius, thank you for noticing. I don't know anything about the bacteria on his live rock from the pictures, however I do know that the bacteria in the little bottles that the fish stores sell is snake oil and so do you, or at least you should if you're so 1337. That's just another example of what I was talking about, the fish stores selling you crap you don't need so they can make an extra buck.
>> LokI
>FYI: I think you are a very intelligent reefer and much better than most I encounter,

You too, this has been a fun argument, we both seem to know our shit, it's not like beating a retard at chess like so much of 4chan.

>maybe better than I am, we'll never know,

eh who knows?.... or cares

>but the whole thing about having a ton of cured lr in a tank and still having to wait a month to add fish just really makes me rage.

Why does that make you rage? Patience is a virtue in this hobby.

>It strikes me as old school and backwards.

No, just patient and careful.

>It reminds me of telling someone a white lie "for their own good." Kinda like the watts of light and inches of fish per gallon rules. Shit made up so that people who know better don't have to explain anything to others who don't.

Maybe it is, but sometimes beginners need that kind of thing, do you think OP would have read every word you or I would have said and took it and followed a bunch of "well usually yes, but sometimes no" answers if we just started off with a tl:dr post? Most people, especially newbies to things don't want to be overwhelmed with a ton of information. They usually just want some quick easy rules at first and they usually just want it to work right away. Then they learn the finer intricacies of the hobby, the important patience, and they start to read up on the subject. Even with all the help in the world OP will probably kill his first fish or two. I know I did, I think anyone that has tried to get into this hobby has killed at least one fish. You feel bad at first, but then you try to figure out what killed your first one, fix problem, try again, and hopefully fishy #2 doesn't die as well.
>> Anonymous
OMG INTERNET FIGHT LOLOL
>> Anonymous
>>284921
Not just any internet fight--
INTERNET AQUARIUM FIGHT
>> Anonymous
>>284954
4chan internet aquarium fight!
>> Anonymous
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REEF!
>> Anonymous
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These are "Dram Sandals" made by a company named Reef.
>> Anonymous
OP here. thanks to everyones advice :O) i do have a question. This weekend im planning on getting a neon goby and a jacknife fish and wanted to know if that was a good idea. Later on i will eventually get one more fish...hopefully some kind of clownfish :O)
>> Anonymous
>>285365
you best be trolling nigga

on the small chance that you are not: google jackknife fish for me and report back with what you find.
>> Anonymous
If I were you OP I would get two False Perculia Clownfish and a Royal Gramma. Then either a fire or skunk cleaner shrimp and you'll be set. You'll have a fun to watch tank. They will be fine in a tank that size
>> Anonymous
>>285975
an 8 will be pretty cramped for a pair of oscellaris when they get bigger.

I'd go with a purple or helfrich's firefish, watchman goby/shrimp pair, small group of blueleg hermits, and add some small softie corals
>> Anonymous
>>285979
>>helfrich's firefish

$120 fish FTW amirite?
shitsux, get a normal or a purple if any firefish
>> Anonymous
>>285986
sorry, helfrichs are a personal fav. I guess I'm also just too used to paying wholesale prices do to connections and working at a fish store.
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>>286010
In that case I'd rather pay 8 for a purple than 40 for a helfrichs, but I can't say anything cause I payed 50 for this guy lol
<----

Did you're store get in any of that last shipmet of blue carpets for like 30-60 wholesale? I really though about plumbing my 30 cube into my acro tank and just having a blue carpet and a pair of black saddlebacks in there but I pussied out cause I wasn't sure how good they would be. Turns out they were awesome apparently and now I hate myself ;_:
>> Anonymous
>>286269
no, there isn't a huge market in this area for carpets. we'll occasionally order the cheap pale green giganteas, bubble tips are the major sellers around here. What i've really been wanting to pick up lately is a bluespot jaw, all the vendors have had them on sale lately.
>> Anonymous
OP here. i went snorkeling two days ago in the hopes of catching a neon goby for my tank. ended up getting two real cute barred blennys and a beautiful snail which i found out later to be a flamingo tongue. I was reading a bit on both the animals and found that the blennys are good but not the flamingo tongue becuase of their diet :O( because of that i will most likely return it into the ocean. I do want to purchase two more fish and wanted to know what fish would go well witht the two blennys i have. thank you guys :O)
>> Anonymous
>>287306
I guess this sounds stupid but you're allowed to just go in the wild and catch fish for your aquarium? I guess you would be, I just never thought of it before hurr durr
>> Anonymous
>>286477
Yeah we usually keep a pair of blue jaws in the store. We usually only get them if the Med. Males are around 18-22 and the females around 15. Same with tuskfish, if they aint 18-24 (usually sea dwelling creatures) then we don't buy them cuase they wont sell.
>> Anonymous
>>287306
Lets wait and see if your blennys kill each other first

>>287310
Fresh water is really easy. Unless it's endangered, or in a national park or something, and it's not a "sport fish," then that means it is a "bait fish" and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

I know that if you take coral off reefs off of florida or hawaii though I know you get fucking raped with a broom and then they lock you up and throw away the key. Fish again I don't think they care too much unless it is a regulated or protected species.
>> Anonymous
>>287310
Haven't you seen Finding Nemo?
>> Anonymous
>>287334
are you talking about bluejaw triggers? or the bluespot jawfish like I was. most of the sale prices i've seen on the bluespot jaws are around 30.

Although we do also sell a lot of bluejaw triggers, especially males. there has also been a lot of interest in pairs of crosshatches lately since they are making the rounds in fairly good numbers
>> Anonymous
>>287489
Oh yes sorry, beautiful fish, the last two we ordered died in house, one went over the overflow, down into the sump and got ate by a mag 36 and the other jumped/sqeezed out between the top of the tank and the jump guard lol. So keep a lid on them.

Crosshatches *drool* we don't have anyone that would pay for one of those.

Yesterday I ordered a med Mustard/guttatus tang for $27 on sale from ~70, so I can't wait to see him come in. I really want an achilles for my acro tank at home and we have three customer requests for them and they havent been on a list in 6 months.

You see the gem tang on liveaquaria? It's been there for months and I can't believe it is still there with all the hype for those bastards.
>> Anonymous
Jesus fuck, the OP has ignited the god damn fury.
>> Anonymous
>>287512
I also PT at a petco (yay health insurance) and suprising we can regularly get achilles there. I've got one now nice size for $65 which I always find amazing that they can sell em so cheap. I usually stay away from the acantharus (got a soft spot for the bristletooths actually) but when my 150 gets ready in a few weeks I might pick one up.

yeah, that gem has been there forever. you see the $900 golden puffer they put up in the DD too?
>> Anonymous
Petco fish people just like to molest the puffer fishes. Seriously I've had this happen on 3 occasions. Go in there, start looking at saltwater fish, some teenage kid calls me over and is like watch this, reaches in and starts squeezing it till it puffs. Then I go buy chemicals and salt.
>> Anonymous
>>287602
not in my store, and i try to make sure the don't feed the lions 50 billion times a day either.
>> Anonymous
>>287605
Well you dont work at the Petco in Orland Park then
>> Anonymous
>>287566
$65 hmmm thats about wholesale usually lol, same with the purple tangs half the time they are on sale for $55, which again is about wholesale. Your largets skew for clopwn loaches is the same way...they are big 5" fuckers that are like $9! but then you go look in the computer and they cost the store like $15 wholesale?, I don't get it lol.
For shits and giggle take you little handheld scanner thing and go scan all your fish scews to see the difference between the number in the tanks and the quantity on hand that the system thinks you have...the difference between those numbers will be dirrectly corrilated to how crappy your store is lol. I PT at a petco for a few months to get it back on track...we were short like 300 damsels, 20000 feeder goldfish, 400 neon tetras and like 2000 guppies, and like 5 red tail boas, and 3 ferrets lol amoung other things..since the last time there was a full store inventory (done once a year) -_-
>> Anonymous
>>287769
oh I know, I've worked at this one for well over a year. we currently have a $5000 deviation from what the store says we have vs. what we actually have in SW. but that is because of people just auto receiving orders w/o looking at what actually came in. as far as actual shrink/fish loss I probably run at around 30% based on retail value (much lower in terms of actual fish loss). I try to quarantine as much as possible, but their stores aren't set up for it. for instance today I received a SW order and probably 60% of the fish were already broken out with ich. just really depressing sometimes. I dosed all the tanks with cupramine and put "under observation" stickers on em, guess we'll see how that goes.
>> Anonymous
>>287973
God saltwater ich is the worst... I spent like 160$ on medication trying to save my fish when I had my saltwater tank, didnt do a damn bit of good. : (
>> Anonymous
>>288056
Protip: dont let them get it in the first place
>> Anonymous
>>288142
hard to do sometimes, lots of fish come in with ich but just don't show an obvious infection. one stressor and you're done. although i always quarantine for 2 weeks and recommend the same to everyone. I like to treat everything with cupramine and prazipro before it goes into one of my displays.
>> Anonymous
Fact: Ich is present in almost all saltwater. It just cannot attack fish normally unless something stresses them and weakens their defenses.
>> Anonymous
>>288356
Not a fact actually