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Anonymous
Hi. This is Natividad. He was tied to a wall and allowed to starve to death by Guillermo Vargas in 2007. It was called art, and the gallery is considering allowing him to do a repeat performance this year. Please, if you care about animals at all, go sign the online petition that has to do with boycotting this.

Here is the link to the rest of the pictures of poor Natividad. http://elperritovive.blogspot.com/

And here is the link to the petition with some more information.
http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html

Thank you. :(
>> Anonymous
it's supposed to show how hypocritical we are. like we'll help and feel angered by one dog on display, but we turn a blind eye towards dogs on the street or some shit.

Not me, all my dogs, we found on roaming the streets. Didn't go to no pansy ass Petsmart.

just lazy, is what it is.

Reminds me of that story, The Lady and the Tiger. YOU CHOOSE THE ENDING bullshit i say.
>> Anonymous
How sickening.

Couldn't he just take pictures of animals other people starved before he saves them or calls the pound? It's not like there's a shortage of abused mistreated animals. My guess is he's zoosadistic though, so that's why he does it himself. I bet he gets a big laugh out of having people call his fetish art.
>> Anonymous
shit wouldn't fly in amerikka. invite him over for an exhibition so that we might allow our petafags an easy target?
>> Anonymous
>>234131
>>234138
Here's the difference:

Dogs on the street die because of pure neglect. Simple.

Dogs starved to death to prove a point in an art gallery generate money for the people starving it. Further, this is money that would be better spent supporting, oh lets say, art that requires skill, talent, and practice to produce, or even on something as wacky as animal rescue organizations. Fucking useless.

Of course, he could just say that it was "meant to draw attention to the issue and promote conversation about it." I think that that's a fucking cop-out because if he was really imaginative he would have been able to do so without any blatant hypocrisy on his part.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>234138
Which is funny, because Petsmart is adoption-only.
>> PosterParent !!US5cDeFhONO
I think the artist wanted to convey the message that people care about dogs dying of starvation, but don't care (or are desensitized) of the millions of people in Africa that are also dying. The message is a good one, and it gets attention. But really? This is starvation because he wants it, not because of neglect.
>> PosterParent !!US5cDeFhONO
>>234143
He gets the attention he desires, but I'd rather starve myself to death than another being.
>> Anonymous
Why did nobody just cut the dog loose and take it to a shelter? At least there it would die with food in its belly and in a painless manner. Goddamn art faggots, so out of touch with reality.
>> Anonymous
...you guys are talking about something that happened in Costa Rica. You might as well be talking about China. He was even selected to represent his country in a bi-annual central american art show for this stupid shit.

The gallery is now claiming that the dog was never really starved and just 'escaped' one night.

>>234621
Actually, the dog is named after some filthy Costa Rican who, supposedly driven by poverty, tried to rob a house and was torn apart by Rottweilers. (and nobody cared because he was robbing a house). He was trying to draw parallels to that.
>> Anonymous
http://www.nonstarvingartists.com/Members/zaphmann/zaph-mann/archive/2008/03/06/death-for-no-reason
>> Anonymous
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Art Crime? Thanks for the tip. I'll take it from here.
>> Anonymous
This isnt so much art as artistic attention whoring. I seriously doubt any onlookers were drawn to the aesthetic appeal of his "work"
>> Anonymous
>>234648
Not defending this bullshit, but if you try and define what does and doesn't constitute art based solely on aesthetic appeal you'll find you're in the slim minority.

See: Thomas Kinkade's "art".
>> Anonymous
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As much as I'm currently laughing myself to tears as my dog wanders around the house with his plastic cone around his neck I was a wreck last night when we had to take him to the emergency room to get a gash stapled... The whole time I was beyond annoyed at a family member who allowed the wound to sit untreated for hours until I realized he just doesn't have the capacity to empathize with the dog as I do. Some people are just incapable of looking at an animal and putting themselves in it's place when making decisions based on it's well-being.

To these people an animal might just be another tool for creating art which is at it's very essence something which evokes emotion in other people. The real power of art isn't paint on paper, notes from an instrument or the steps to a dance it's the emotions which are evoked by looking, listening or watching something creative.

I, personally, think that letting a dog starve to death is cruel and psychopathic and can think of a million ways in which you could convey the same feelings but I wouldn't go so far as to say, as one of the comments on one of the pages linked in this thread, that cruelty isn't art.

Pic semi-related: puppy in his chair with the cone of lick prevention. I wish I could take it off so he would sleep better but the second it comes off he goes right for the staples...
>> Anonymous
This is what CGI is for.
>> Anonymous
>>234663
Point is that there is no aesthetic for non-art
>> Anonymous
Chill it, you guys. He's not exactly starving to death YOUR Buster or Fido or Biscuit or whatever who is also a purebred husky and blah blah blah. He's (supposedly) starving to death a street dog. He could have equally beaten or starve that mongrel to death in the streets it roamed and nobody would have given a shit about it. It's just the choice of the art gallery as a location that makes people get so fucking offended.

For all we know, really, he could have brought in a dog that was already going to die, feeding or no feeding, or even brought in a corpse of the dog and pretended that it was still alive.

Also, if any fag here starts whining about whether art is supposed to be beautiful and all that shit, he obviously doesn't remember Piss Christ.
>> Anonymous
>>234674
Art doesnt need to be beautiful. It does however need to be art. Art can make a statement, but a statement doesnt not necessarily make art.
>> Anonymous
>>234674
Why do we care when someone murders somebody else? I mean that person was just as likely to be hit by a car when crossing the street or be struck by lightning during a thunderstorm.
>> Anonymous
>>234663
If I throw shit on a wall I can call it "art". You know what, I think that's already been done. Someone should tie up this guy and starve him to death, that'd be art too.
>> Anonymous
>>234663

oh FUCK off. Art snobs are a joke, the biggest lesson i learned from the classes in the UW is art is bullshitting whatever meaning you can out of whatever object. If he's so damn anxious to make a statement then let him do this shit to himself instead of another creature.

To the comments about dogs on the street, at least they have the chance to scavenge.
>> Anonymous
This is old as fuck. Fuck you, OP, for posting this trollish shit. It's happened, it's done, nobody gives a shit about your online petition. Get the fuck out.
>> Anonymous
animal cruelty is art? since when? this is sick
>> Anonymous
>>234684

Are you stupid? I didn't say that the dog would have died of some other natural cause. I said that the "artist" could have equally chosen to kill the dog in the streets and nobody would have cared. How many times have you personally fed a mangy dog tied to some fencepost? The only reason you give a shit is because this happened in an art gallery, not because some guy killed a feral mongrel.

As to the parallel of humans - there is no way animals will be given the same rights and legal status as a human, nor should they be, but the reality is, NOBODY gives a fuck about people killing people either. Do YOU personally know or care how many people got murdered yesterday? Do you honestly feel pain to your bones about what's happening in the Middle East? Stop being such a bawwwwwing PETAfag and insinuating killing animals has the same magnitude as murder, when you don't even care about the latter.
>> Anonymous
>>234713

its not an issue of if youve given a tied off dog a piece of food. It's an issue of if you'd TIED OFF a dog, intentionally, so it *couldnt* scrounge for food at all. the fucker's 'art' relies on the notion that people actively ignore a dog to 'deny' it food when their dismissal of the animal is passive, while the man's actually actively denying the animal any basic neccesities to survive. there's a VERY strong and clear cut difference, much like someone abusing a child while another just hears about it on the news.
>> Anonymous
Over, done with, happened in a place where nobody gives a shit. Move along.
>> Anonymous
>>234748

As I said, the fucker could well have done it in his own back yard, and you wouldn't even have known it to compare. Clearly, this "artist" intended for the dog to die one way or another. Does the fact that he did it in a public manner really matter? No it fucking doesn't.
>> Anonymous
There is a huge difference between simple animal cruelty and this. To make a message against cruelty by participating in it is the stupidest shit I ever heard. To call this art is to accept that starving the dog to death is a higher form of human expression.

Think about what this guy is trying to get away with doing. He's trying to starve a dog to death, while getting admiration and a pocket full of cash doing it.

If anything the act of people walking into this shit and calling it art is more artistic than the starving of the dogs. It makes a message that some people are so retarded that they can miss what's right in front of their eyes.
>> Anonymous
>>234621

Id rather save one dog from starvation than ten people.
>> Anonymous
>>234854
Signed
>> Anonymous
I love animals in pain.
>> Anonymous
The fact that anyone could find issue with individuals offended by the unnessecary starvation of an animal for the sake of exhibition, simply disgusts me. Absolutely disgusts me. If you don't have a problem with this "art", then keep it to yourself and be quiet.

If I were to pick a needy child off the streets and do something in a similar fassion, I would be imprisoned, mocked, ridiculed, labeled, exploited, and all that in perhaps the first hour. Why is this any different.

At least the dogs have the potential to be self-sufficient. Dogs take care of one another. Dogs don't want for a thing. Dogs are generally wiser to the ways of the world without needing extensive tutoring or schooling. What does a homeless child do. Take up space. The project would be more apropriately acted upon a human child. ...Does this bother you? Do you find this train of thought immoral, disgusting, a farse to common sense?

Good.

You should.

Now if you can establish that level of compassion for a child, reach just a little farther. Dogs bleed the same colour blood.
>> TNT
To anyone who finds the suffering of this, or any other animal a true work of art, I have only this to say...

You're all a bunch of sick fucks who deserve to fucking shot in the head, and thrown over a cliff! This is not art, this is animal cruelty. Anyone who gets off on this is in need of some serious psycho therapy, and needs to be locked up in prison.

As for those that seek protection of this poor creature, please sign that petition. What is being performed is wrong, and should not be tried with any other creatures of nature. My thoughts and prayers are with that poor dog, hoping he is still alright.
>> Anonymous
ITT: People who like to ramble on about their moral high ground.

Not saying you're not right, you're entirely right, but shut the fuck up and just sign the damn petition.
>> Anonymous
I dunno, if I visited an art exhibition and saw a dog being starved to death (for the sake of art)... I would probably cut the dog loose with my mobile security system, and shank anyone who tried to stop me.

And if Guillermo happened to be around, I'd tase this guy for a good minute or two. (Knife=10$, Taser=$40, Watching someone loose his bladder from shock=priceless.)

But I talk out of my ass, I would never go to an art exhibition. lol
>> this sucks big donley dicks... Anonymous
i loathe most all dogs , but this was cruel and stupid... the artist needs to be buttfucked by a hundred rabid chimpmanzees and fed feet first into a pit of starving rats...
>> Anonymous
>>234937
Too bad there's such a shortage of rabid chimps these days.
>> Anonymous
I'd gladly chain him up and let him starve if I could.

Then take pics and post them on the net.
>> Anonymous
>>234894

Guess what faggot, this IS different. We're not talking about a child, we're talking about a DOG. I'm glad your test for the thing is self-sufficiency, because the dog is not self-sufficient. It can't hunt, it can't properly forage for food without dumpsters and other humans. It's vermin. Just like rats.
So what if the dog bleeds the same colour blood? So do earthworms, and millions of people have no problem hooking them alive and drowning them. And why should I shut up for my views when you obviously can't stop waxing lyrical about them?

>>234897

Riiiiiight, because internet petitions ever did anything in this world. If you have issues with some random fuck going around killing stray dogs, then ADOPT THE FUCKING DOGS YOURSELF, don't start whining about how they ought to be allowed to roam around.
>> Anonymous
Or, you know, a fuck load of people could protest IRL and maybe cuuuut the dog loose if it happened again? If one of the 'ironic' points being made is that people will blindly accept abuse as 'art', then why not defy that point?
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
>>235055
You have less of what it means to be human than the average person. So does everyone else who sees this as art, or finds some kind of "profound" message and moves on without considering the fact that the dog is an "imprisoned victim."
While there are still open theories floating around, it's quite safe to say that humans evolved from shit-throwing apes greatly in part of their maturing sense of compassion and responsibility, which is something that can be detected in almost all animals if you look hard enough.

Whether the dog would have died on the streets or not is not an argument, since it was deliberately captured and doomed to starvation and humiliation.
Whether it could survive on its own or not is not an argument since we as the greater species have a responsibility to look after and show reasonable respect and humanity to other living beings. You can kill a cow for food and still show respect and humanity. Also, you are clearly uneducated to say that dogs can't hunt and live without humans or dumpsters and use that as any kind of argument.
Whether it is art or not is not an argument either. Art in a perverse and corrupt society or social circle is different from art in a clean and healthy one. It is willful imprisonment and starvation of an intelligent being that knows it is suffering, that feels pain, hunger, fear and abandonment. And for what reason? Actually - it doesn't matter as any reason is either perverse or a lie.
Making a comparison between animals and people is not right for either side of the argument, as they are both beings who share the same emotions and physical sensations -and- this is an event that is not only completely avoidable, but also purposely immoral.
>> Barksalot !!bUy38Am5hmk
Any argument that this "display" doesn't matter, because the same thing happens in backyards or elsewhere is therefore missing the point. It is the argument of someone who is missing the important thing that allows any advanced species to get along together, at least in a way that allows it to continue living, and not completely destroy itself. So "congratulations" 235055 (and all like him) for being a lesser human being. We can learn from you, to never be or act like you and avoid your kind in the future.
>> Anonymous
>>235055
so, what year do you graduate middle school?
>> Anonymous
>>235088
Thank you for restoring some of my faith in humanity.
>> Anonymous
>>235061

Oooooooh Snap.

Nail and head just hit.
>> Anonymous
>>235131
Yeah I really don't understand why no-one fed it or took it away.
>> Anonymous
I heard about this the other day. It has all the makings of an urban legend and attempting to verify what happened in any reputable news source is impossible. I've seen things saying that the artist is 50 and 32, that the dog was starved to death, that he was fed, that he ran away, etc. I have a feeling that the dog was part of some art exhibit, yeah he was a stray, yeah something sketchy probably happened, and people took pictures and wrote what they heard what happened, and before you know it, internet shitstorm.
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(If that exhibit happens again someone post the info on it. If its on the west coast I'll show our friend what a lesser being is capable of.)
>> Anonymous
what scum, he should have the same treatment
>> Anonymous
But it's arrrrrrrt! BAAAAW!
>> Anonymous
Oh shut the fuck up.

They said for no one to feed the dog, and NO ONE DID. Dogs dies and people BAAAWWWW because they were too pussy to stand up and say fuck you I'm feeding the dog. I think he was showing how people today will bitch about something but never actually stand up and DO SOMETHING.
>> Anonymous
I do believe it was just a stunt, and the dog didn't actually die. It sounds naive, worse shit happens than this, but it's hard to believe that when the exhibit closed, nobody did anything with this ugly fucker. Not to mention the gallery owner couldn't have been pleased to have this poor thing smelling up the joint, and to know that it was going to die in there would have been too much. My guess is that they drowned or shot it on the night it supposedly "escaped." If it died naturally at the exhibit, the artist would have left it or photographed it for people to see the actual result.
>> Anonymous
>>235400
Look at it this way; they were following the rules. also this board is slow
>> Anonymous
>>234894
Hello. I'm the OP. Thank you for the post, it was touching, especially the last sentance.
>> Anonymous
I can't believe people are still arguing about this stupid crap. Happened, done with, internet petitions are worth jack shit. Go gripe at the people who did nothing to save the dog, not the people here who don't give a flying fuck.
>> Anonymous
>>235400

You fail to realise the majority of the people BAWWWing about it weren't there, and most likely would have said 'fuck you, I'm feeding the dog' if they were.
Anyone who WAS in a position to do something and has the nerve to act outraged should be severely beaten, but hopefully they'll wisen the fuck up from now on. One good thing that can come out of this is people will learn from it, though odds are they wont.
It was overall an unnecessary prick of a thing to do and that "artist" should be shot.