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Animal Rights Anonymous
So animals have rights as long as they´re cute and you don´t have to be personally involved in their killing, right?
>> Anonymous
Nope. Animals have no rights.

People, however, have the right to complain about what other people do to animals, and try to get them to stop.
>> Anonymous
>>51935
So you mean, that it´s perfectly ok to torture and kill animals, since they have no rights. Wonder why animal abuse is a crime?

Link you might find intresting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_research_ban
>> Female.
..I've no qualms about eating baby animals.

I LOVE Veal.
>> Anonymous
Pigs and cows are not cute, they're delicious.
>> Anonymous
Whenever I see a thread like this, I go out to a local pasta house and have their veal.
>> Anonymous
ITT, PETA faggots
>> Anonymous
Humans are omnivores. All animals only exist if they serve a purpose. Aesthetics, food, etc. Enjoy your supremacy.
>> ?00 !XBOXgikTFw
Cows and baby piggies are cute too :<.

>>51932
The same could be said about humans! Except for the eating part of course,
>> Anonymous
>>51967

How could I argue with anyone who has tripcode like that?!
>> Anonymous
>>51953
That's not true. I've seen several completely useless animals and they totally existed.
>> Anonymous
>>51995
Name them and I'll tell you what purpose they serve that you failed to see.
>> Anonymous
>>51932

says you
>> Anonymous
>>51932
Livestock has right to die quickly and relativeley painlessly.
Pets, livestock, and animals in general have the right to live without undue pain.
You have the right to lurk moar.
>> Anonymous
>>51995

Some animals only exist to be food to others. They might pollinate flowers or do something else like that in the process, like butterflies, but their main purpose is to be food to the many kinds of bug eating animals.
>> Anonymous
that's exactly right. DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN. I will eat rabbits, elephants, tigers, cows, chickens and whales because I'm hungry and I CAN.

if I decide to spare them for their cuteness, I DECIDE it, I don't grant any priveleges to any group of animals
>> Anonymous
I am also happy to be at the top of the food chain. However, since we have the means to do so, we should let our food die as painlessly as possible.
>> Anonymous
Animals have as many rights as we humans want them to.

We decide which animals are good to eat, and which aren't. It's pretty cool to be human, ain't it?

*takes a big bite of steak*
>> Anonymous
>>51968
Oh my god seconded
>> Ivan the liar
people argue that we can because we are more powerfull, because it is natures way, then they put on their machine made clothes go out in a fucking mechanical car, and drive to fucking macdonalds and buy some machine processed food.

Well buddy according to natures way I sohuld be able to kill you and your entire family but I DONT.
that is because we are not fucknig animals, we are humans. Humanity should not hold power above animals, because we are entirely at their mercy (no animals no food), they should hold HUMANITY as our reason to rule.

But again man if you gonna go and say its just okay to butcher animals then I'll be fucked if someone has mercy on you if your kidnapped.
>> anonymous
>>51967
Humans taste nasty is pretty much the only reason we dont eat them, oh and those faggots who got up for a directed movie, called PETA
>> Anonymous
>>52078
there's nothing supernatural about cars or guns or spiked pits or fire, might makes right is the final word in this world and you'd do well to remember that
>> Anonymous
meat is for mmmmmmmmmmmm good
>> Anonymous
>>52078
You were cooler when you just lied.
Stick to it.
>> Anonymous
They should be killed as painlessly as possible

Other than that, you retards can eat lettuce and carrots like rabbits for the rest of your life, the rest of us will be having PEOPLE FOOD.

lol- also OP is 'weird apostrophe guy'.
>> Anonymous
Most people get eaten by maggots after they die. Is that wrong?
>> Anonymous
>>51953Enjoy your supremacy.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
>> Anonymous
>>52128
Yes. Eating anything that has veins is very wrong! This includes humans, animals and plants. I have started the GSEA for this purpose. The Gravel and Stone Eating Assosiation. Join me now or else you're a MURDERER!
>> Penguin Truth
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Eat any animal you like. Except penguins.

Stay the fuck away from the penguins.
>> Anonymous
>>52138
I've actually eaten penguin when I was visiting in South Africa. They taste like a mixture of fish and chicken. It's weird but tasty.
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>>52141

PENGUINMON IS NOT PLEASED.
>> Penguin Truth
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>>52141

Is that you, Dave Attell?

DIE IN A FIRE, BLASPHEMER.
>> 4tran
Let's be completely egalitarian to all: death to all lifeforms!
>> Anonymous
I think its totally justified to eat animals, if you can kill all you eat by yourself. Hunt them down I say. If you cant do that, then stick with the salad, like the pussy you are and do some serious work on your hypocrisy.
>> Anonymous
>>52153
The stone age called. They want you back.
>> Anonymous
>>52154

You wouldnt eat an animal, if you had to kill it by yourself,
but of course you would eat it, if someone else kills it for you.
If that is not hypocrisy, then I dont know what is.
>> Anonymous
>>52157
I fish every now and then and I gladly eat my catch. If I ever started hunting I would just feel proud to eat whatever I managed to kill. I don't get your point.
>> Anonymous
>>52157

If I killed a cow, I wouldn't get to eat it! I would get arrested, though...
>> Anonymous
>>51932
I believe very strongly that plants have real emotions and that their pain is very real. As such I've committed to becoming a carnivore.
>> Anonymous
>>52159
Point being that most people could not kill animals for them to eat, if they had an alternative, because they think its cruel, disgusting, inhumane etc. to kill.
Still they are more than happy to eat bits and pieces of animals that somebody else has killed for them.
>> Anonymous
>>52171
You know what they say.
When youre out of arguments, you can always make some up.
>> Anonymous
>>51932
Well I'm a mortician so gore, death, etc doesn't even faze me. As such, you can bet that I would kill a cow with absolutely no remorse if it meant that I got unlimited barbacoa for breakfast, a 5 lb hamburger for lunch, and a 10 lb steak for dinner. Hungry Me = Dead Moo Cow
>> Anonymous
>>52172
I'd rather have someone who knew what they were doing handle my meat, wouldn't you?

However I wouldn't have any trouble killing the animal myself, just so long as I didn't have to prepare it because I'd end up eating the wrong parts.
>> Anonymous
>>52188

Yeah, rite.
>> Anonymous
>>52078
>>Well buddy according to natures way I sohuld be able to kill you and your entire family
Wrong, according to nature's way, you wouldn't eat your own species as a primary food source, and you especially wouldn't try to attack somebody bigger than you.

>>that is because we are not fucknig animals
Oh, so you're better than everyone else now? We are all animals, but you aren't one? Get fucked.

>>Humanity should not hold power above animals, because we are entirely at their mercy (no animals no food)
I don't think you understand what "at their mercy" means.
>> Anonymous
>>52153
>>I think its totally justified to eat animals, if you can kill all you eat by yourself.
Right, and I guess all those baby animals should just die because somebody other than them brings them food.
>> Anonymous
>>52157
>>You wouldnt eat an animal, if you had to kill it by yourself.
Hell yes I would, I just can't be arsed to take a multiple-hour trip 3 times a day.
>> Anonymous
>>52228
Sorry, I did not know you are baby animal.
>> Anonymous
this thread is making me hungry
>> Anonymous
In a complex society, people perform different jobs to keep society running smoothly. Some people are bankers, some people are police officers, and some are the butchers who bring us meat.

Time to get out of the stone age, guys. We don't have to know if we'd hypothetically kill an animal for food, we get our food wrapped in paper or plastic anyway, because we live in civilized society. Stop this cock waving contest of who is manly enough to kill what, it doesn't matter! YAY CIVILIZATION
>> Anonymous
>>52279
way to miss the point
>> Anonymous
They have the right to a comfortable peaceful life and relatively trauma-free slaughter. Somehow they taste better that way.
>> Anonymous
>>52244
Sorry, I did not know that you were an uneducated ignoramus who does not know that animals bring food to their young.
>> Anonymous
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Animals taste better when they live stress-free lives and have a painless and quick death.
>> Anonymous
poppycock! everyone knows fear and suffering in the last minutes of life adds that special 'je ne sais quoi' to the meat
>> Anonymous
>>52321
>>52324
You're both half right. The best taste comes from animals that live happy, stress-free lives, then die in abject, wailing terror.
>> Anonymous
Happy cows taste happy
>> Anonymous
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DELICIOUS MEAT! YUMMY!!!

I suggest that instead of just killing the animals that give us food we torture them for a few hours. Perhaps saw off the extremities with a rusty hacksaw and slowly strangle them with a cable.

Get on it. Send me the video when you get it. I wanna jack off while chewing on a steak as I watch the cow that made it wail in agony.
>> Anonymous
>>52410

Well, that treatment doesnt drastically differ from the one animals get from most meat farms. Atleast they die in the end.
>> Anonymous
Unlike animals human have the moral resposibility of their deeds.

And lets face it: youre responsible for the death of every animal that is killed for you to eat. Its perfectly the same thing if you killed those animals by yourself, but since most people couldnt do that theyre being totally morally inresponsible hypocrites by eating meat. If cant handle it then tough shit, maybe you should stop eating animal.
>> Anonymous
>>52416

And lets face it: you're responsible for the death of every plant that is killed for you to eat. Its perfectly the same thing if you killed those plants by yourself.
>> Anonymous
>>52413
Generally animals are killed by a single whomp to the head from a boltgun. it's not comfortable leading up to that, but it's not like they vivisect them or something.
>> Anonymous
>>52422

Well, yes of course. And I have no problem with it, like the most people. I even have my own little garden for torturing and killing plants for my personal gain. What´s your point?

Besides comparing mammals and plants doesnt really make any sense, since they differ greatly from each other as we all know from middleschool biology classes.
>> Anonymous
>>52436

So do mammals and cephalopods, but octopi are pretty damn clever.
>> Foxkillaz
We as humans need to eat meat (Well, the majority at least...)

When the earth was cold and covered in ice, and vegetables were very scarce, what could we do? So, we killed meat and took the nutrients stored in the animal, from the plants, from the ground, from our rotting corpse.

Killing and eating any animal, or plant is just like eating your friends grandmother, after the local cow grazed upon the grass that came from her body.

Now, getting back to my origional point, some of us have to eat meat as a part of our fiet, as our bodies have evolved to require that diet.

It's not healthy for some to have meat (AKA, HITLER) and some of use can not live off of plants.

Seriously people, just make sure the cow lives a happy long life, and quick painless death, knowing well that it will provide nourishment for a hungry family.
>> Anonymous
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This thread is now about axolotls.
Post pics of axolotls.
>> Anonymous
>>51932

You're attacking a straw man.
>> Anonymous
This thread has too many retarded, ignorant vegetarians in it. You guys should go back to /d/ where you belong. <3
>> Anonymous
>>52454
truth, but irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


people need to whine less and make more good arguments just like>>52416did back there. i as meat eater agree on it, but i also understand that some people might think otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>52464
yes, go with the pointless insult when you cant prove theyre wrong.
>> Anonymous
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking. I really, really want to believe that you're joking. The fact that humanity can be this stupid is a very disconcerting thought.

Animal rights? Yes, I think they deserve them, but it only goes so far. An animal should have the right to be treated fairly, fed, watered, kept in good condition, and cared for. But that's where it ends. Death is a part of life, and you folks really need to get a grasp on that.

To eat anything, it must die first. That includes the three-bean and sprout salad you Animal Rights activists live on. The plants have to die to be eaten. According to your own logic, you're defeating your own purpose. A plant is a live. A plant can react (see Venus Flytraps). Killing a plant, a living thing, is just the same as killing an animal.

If nothing died, everything would die. Realize it, accept it, deal with it.
>> Anonymoose
cows are cute but they are also delicious so whatever.
>> Anonymous
>>52546

While I generally agree with your argument, you make two grave mistakes that almost completely cripple it.

1. All vegans eat bean sprouts.

2. Plants are conscious.
>> Anonymous
>>52572
To the first, that was sarcasm.

To the second, it was more pointing out that plants had more of a semblance to life than is commonly accepted. Are they conscious? No, I wouldn't think so. A brain is needed for that. My point was that they can react to outside forces, which indicates life.
>> Anonymous
>>52574

I don't think there's a vegan on earth who objects to eating animals because they're alive (with the exception of certain Jainist monks who practice starvation); their stance is that they don't want to bring them unecessary pain. Whatever the morals of this situation dictate, and regardless of whatever position is assumed, this is what the majority of people following that choice believe.
>> Anonymous
>>52480
that doesn't mean that he can't prove them wrong, some of us don't waste time and just insult the idiots
>> Anonymous
>>52579
Nearly every vegetarian I've ever seen, heard of, or met has made the simple statement of "I won't eat anything with a face." They oppose the death of animals for the use of food, thus they object to eating them because they were once alive.
>> Anonymous
Hehe... not much love for animals in the Animals & Nature forum. XD
>> Anonymous
>>52546
I mostly agree on what you said.

I still think that most people are being totally hypocritical when they eat meat, because they dont have the guts to look the animal theyre about to eat right in the eye and take its life. No, they need someone else to do that for them to feel good about it, which is pretty hypocritical.

And for the record, I do eat meat.
>> Anonymous
Cows and pigs are bread to be slaughtered and eaten, do you think cows and pigs would even be alive at all if we didn't set aside areas for them?
>> Anonymous
>>52598
You're totally wrong -- bread is made from grain which is a type of plant. You may have heard of "meatloaf" but don't be fooled, it's just called that because of the shape!
>> Hypocrisy? Caviar
"I still think that most people are being totally hypocritical when they eat meat, because they dont have the guts to look the animal theyre about to eat right in the eye and take its life. No, they need someone else to do that for them to feel good about it, which is pretty hypocritical."

People have hunted and butchered their own food for thousands of years. Packaged food in supermarkets is a relatively recent trend. Eating meat has nothing to do with hypocrisy. If I had to hunt to get meat, I would, as would most people, I figure (assuming that they don't live in a city, and then buying meat is their only choice). No one is going to force you to eat meat, but your preacher act isn't worth the time it took you to mindlessly pound away at your keyboard.
>> Anonymous
I don't have the guts to clean my own toilet bowl, does that mean I should shit outside on the sidewalk?
>> Anonymous
There's a double standard when it comes to the value of non-human life. A cute cat gets better treatment than a chicken, and while we fight for the humane treatment of these animals, some other people are thinking up of faster and more brutal ways to murder other life forms, mostly insects.

Bugs writhe in pain when sprayed with poison and have limbs ripped off and killed by the thousands, but that's perfectly fine because we consider them pests and have no problem commiting minor bug genocide. If you ever swatted a fly or stomped on a roach, you should stop parading for animal rights. Favoring one life form over another because you can hear its screams does not make you any better than someone else who has no respect for other life in general.
>> Anonymous
>>52613

Bugs suck. I feed them to real animals.
>> Anonymous
>>52613
ho, fuck no. you bet I will treat my cat better than some hyena (which I will make a point to kill) and the double standard is mine. I do not feel any guilt over killing an animal that could be a threat to me (perhaps making an exception for aethetically pleasing animals).

I see absolutely no reason why I should treat animals equitably
>> Anonymous
>>52613

I generally refrain from eating chicken because of their inhumane concentration camp-like treatment. I generally make the effort to find out that the meat I eat comes from a well treated animal. OTH you can't expect people to treat animals that have barely the most rudimentary beginnings of sentience (like insects) equally to animals that are on a human-like level (apes, whales & elephants).
>> Anonymous
"rights" is a human concept that does not apply to nature.

Fuck this peta bullshit
>> Anonymous
>>52079
Human flesh actualy resembles that of pork, so if you like to eat pork then you will like to eat humans as well.
>> Anonymous
>>52227
He might not kill to eat, male lions don't kill cubs to eat (most of the time) but to erase competition for their own offspring and to ensure that his genes survive.
>> Ichi
Whats up with some of the bullshit that I am hearing..."We're Humans, not animals"? Dumbest crap I've heard. Since we ARE animals that "believe" we have the rights to everything then why not the other creatures of this planet? all I know is that Humans are the most ignorant, disrespectful (to nature and ourselves) and destructable species today.
>> Anonymous
Why give a shit about animals if we dont give a shit of human beings?
>> Anonymous
WE ARE GODDAMNED OMNIVORES!
>> Anonymous
Once me, my girlfriend and a friend of mine all went out with gigs to catch flounder, after a while I spotted one looked it right in the eye and put my gig right through it, we then took it home and ate it, it was the best fish evar.
>> Anonymous
>>52612

Your post wins. I want to copypasta it everywhere.
>> Ichi
So what if humans are omnivores? so are alot of other creatures...the pig, chicken, bear, racoon, opossum, fox, and many primates (which includes us) ARE omnivores.

TO make this clear, I LOVE meat, but I also respect the animal it came from.
>> Anonymous
I like they way meat eaters react when someone dares critizice their diet. It is like bunch of christians trying to defend the existence of sausage god against evil vegetarian sinners.
>> Anonymous
>>52771
It's cause we think you veggies are sanctimonious pricks. You really, really aren't better than us because you don't eat meat. Though continue to feel that you are, if it helps you sleep better at night.
>> Anonymous
note to self: animal rights threads are a sure fire way to troll /an/
>> Anonymous
>>52786
Exactly the reaction I was talking about.

Why you are being so paranoid about it? Bad conscience? No-one has been suggesting that vegetarians are any better than meat eaters.
>> Anonymous
I would hunt, if I had to, but seeing as I don't need to..I don't.
I enjoy the taste of meat.I don't give two shits if someone is vegan or vegetarian, in fact a lot of vegan and vegetarian food is damned tasty.

But I always wonder why many vegans/veges feel the need to look down on mea eaters. Why not just get on with your lives and stop preaching to others?
>> Anonymous
>>52794
Um... you kind of spoke of those who eat meat as if we were lower than you in they way you referenced us as, simply, "meat eaters". That's probably why the poster who replied to you said what he did.
>> Anonymous
>>52804

Well, Im a meat eater myself so that does not really make any sense.
>> Anonymous
>>52810
Oops, my mistake. I was directing it at the guy other guy that you were talking to.
>> Anonymous
Humans were designed to eat meat. We have two teeth an approximate half-inch from our front teeth called "canines". They are used for meat.

"But if we've evolved beyond murdering eachother and cheating on our spouses cos' we're having sex with everyone; then why are we conforming to yet ANOTHER animalistic behavior(meat-eating)?"

I don't know the answer to this yet. But for the record I love meat, but also love the enviornment. My girlfriend is a vegeterian, something I don't think i'll ever be.
>> Anonymous
In Hong Kong, the government lay down laws that it's crime to make fishes suffer any unnecessary pain when you kill them at a market(Chinese people prefer their fishes alive until they buy them)
>> Anonymous
>>51932
Yes, that is correct.
>> Anonymous
Animals taste good. I don't give two shits about whether or not they suffer or anything because I'm hungry. I have caught my own fish, killed them with a good whack on the head, cut off their heads, cut off their tails, sliced them open, cut out the guts, pulled of the skin, cooked and eaten them. I have done this because I was out in the middle of fuck all nowhere in a trailer and the grocery store was like 20 km away and everything was crappy, bug infested, not refridgerated and expensive. I've shot deer, caught rabbits, etc. I also grew my own vegetables, since the vegetables at that store were all canned.
Vegetarians are the most evil, horrible selfish assholes on earth, since the oppose genetically engineered crops. They would have a third of the earth's population die so they can continue to feel good about themselves, like genetic engineering isn't just a faster version of eugenics, which is just a faster version of evolution. Why? Because they know that they and their pompous spoiled friends won't be among that third who will die. It'll all be those kids in Africa.
>> Anonymous
lol another useless thread.
>> Anonymous
How about Kosher meat? They have all kinds of laws and supervised practices to kill the animals very quickly with minimal pain/suffering. I'd be interested to know how vegetarians feel about Kosher practices.
>> Anonymous
>>52279
Does that mean that since I go out and hunt (and eventually eat) an animal, when I could have simply bought food at a grocery store, that I'm a blood-lusting savage? Cuz I gotta say your not really telling me anything I don't already know about myself...
>> sage sage
>>51932

Actually, down here my family does indeed slaughter our own livestock on occasion, wrung chicken necks, slit piggy throats, etc. And once when one of my cousins accidentally drowned his pet rooster, they cooked that up, too. Hispanics laugh at vegetarians. Sage for laughable thread.
>> Anonymous
>>52975

I'd most certainly rather be hit in the head and dazed before having my neck cut open. Kosher slaughter is just simply cruel, whether it's for religious reasons or not.