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Vegetarians? A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
Any vegetarians on /an/? I'm trying to go vegetarian (not vegan, mind you) and would like some advice. Already cut out pork and beef, and working on chicken, so does anyone have any good brands of fake chicken? I tried Bocca, which wasn't that great, but I know Morning Star Farms veggie dogs are delicious (just had one, btw). If their veggie chicken is as good as their veggie dogs, I'm sold! :D Also, for some reason noodles with tofu sounds good (had tofu before, not bad since it just absorbs the flavor of whatever it's cooked in), so does anyone have any recipes for that, or any other good vegetarian stuff? Actual help much appreciated, but in before flames, "GTFO PETA FAG (not to fond of PETA, actually)", and anything else inconsiderate people think might offend me. Pic is of my cockatiel, Poppy :D
>> Anonymous
You'd have better luck on /ck/
Though not much.
Not much.
>> Anonymous
gb2/b/

oops you said PETA, not... oh never mind
>> A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
>>73017
I also said I'm not to fond of PETA...
>> Anonymous
I bet you still love it when someone puts their meat in your mouth.
>> Anonymous
Just so you know, there are some great nutritional reprocussions for cutting out meat entirely... and not all of them can be resolved through alternate means.
>> A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
>>73019
Real mature, anonymous :/
>>73021
Might still eat seafood occasionally. Oysters, clams, etc.
>> Anonymous
Why do you want to go vegetarian? I'm curious.

I can understand it when people say they don't like the TASTE of of meat like one friend told me a while ago, but what's your reason?
>> Anonymous
>>73030
>>Might still eat seafood occasionally. Oysters, clams, etc.

Great, another fake-ass vegetarian.
>> Anonymous
There's little point in going vegetarian for ethical reasons. Why not vegan? Vegetarianism does little to demote the suffering of animals. Cows are still raised into labor for dairy, chickens are still caged up to produce eggs and be slaughtered, etc. And seafood is in no way vegetarian...
>> Anonymous
im a vegan and i have a cockatiel too... but i have to eat the least healthy food possible, mostly potatos and ketchup... but i feel way better than i ever did when i ate meat and all that other crap... you should have no problem staying healthy and happy as a vegetarian
>> Anonymous
>>73064

True, just because you decide not to eat meat for one day, one month, one year doesnt keep that chicken, pig or cow from getting slaughtered one bit. Meat will just become cheaper for the rest of us as less people eat it, supply overflows and prices drop.

All good for meat eaters and their wallets :)

Be lucky you even have a fucking choice not to eat the foods that millions and millions starve for.
>> Anonymous
>>73064
>>Why not vegan.

Because vegans are stupid fucks.
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>> rayefrenzy !w2oH/6dL8k
you can be for animal rights and still eat delicious, delicious meat flesh.

i was a vegetarian for 6 years. coming back to 'Team Meat' was the best idea I ever had. Life is delicious again.

Also, generally only hippies and fags are vegetarians. Just buy organic meat if your worried about animal rights.
>> Anonymous
>>73070

Actually, meat is inexpensive because of its high demand. Despite the high production costs of raising animals into slaughter, the fact that so many people are omnivorous makes it possible to afford meat for a reasonible price to the consumer. If the demand were driven down, then it would not longer be cost effective.

On another note, appealing to ridicule is a fallacious way to form an argument. If you have some logical objection to veganism, then you're more than entitled to argue it. Otherwise, you're being disruptive for no good reason.
>> Anonymous
i'm a vegan, was a vegetarian for a long time. The internet is full of recipies of both vegetarian and vegan food, so that shouldn't be any problem. A good tip is get enough protein through soy protein and stuff like that. I'm not sure what's available in your country.

The substitutes for meat never taste like the real thing, but after a while you will get used to it. Good luck in your vegetarian ways.
>> Anonymous
>>73075
Here's one: how about that a diet that requires you to supplement with certain vitamins (B12) and strongly encourages you to supplement with more (Ca, Vitamin D) could be missing other important nutrients not yet fully understood by the FDA, leading to problems down the road?

I don't personally care how others eat, and nutrition is not something I care about in general, but someone's got to pick up this torch.
>> Anonymous
>>73081

That depends entirely on how you balance your diet, whether vegan or not. If you aren't eating foods rich in crucial vitamins and proteins, then this is more of your fault for not knowing how to properly balance your diet. Veganism does indeed present more restrictions as to how one's nutrition may be balanced, but it's not impossible like others will sometimes lead you to believe.

This is partly why I don't mention veganism all that often, aside from the fact that I could honestly care less what others want to eat. Unless you have a lot of time to dedicate into understanding nutrition, then it's not going to benefit you very much.
>> Anonymous
Most of the vegetarians I know believe that you shouldn't really try to replace meat with things like tofu, because then you're still just trying to fill a void in your diet where meat used to be. They say you're better off re-doing your entire diet to make sure you get enough protein and stuff from other sources. Of course, I know nothing about this personally since I'm not vegetarian, but it seems to work for them. Good luck!
>> FatOldBenzGuy
If I didn't want to eat meat, I'd eat insects.
Seriously.
>> Anonymous
>>73047
OP if you missed it! I'm still curious.
>> Anonymous
I strongly recommend not going veg. It presents many health problems after a while. I was a vegetarian for a year and half and did my best to balance my diet. It went well for a while but i started noticing that bruises or being sore would take a very long time to go away or heal. There are just certain lipids that you can only get through eating meat and if you're going vegetarian for health reasons,I think you're just gonna end up doing more harm than good when it all comes down to your health. Good luck, though.
>> Anonymous
I've thought about going vegetarian before. The problem is that I play a lot of soccer and do a lot of running still.

Having previously blown out my knee, I am very concerned about having the best muscle conditioning possible to try and prevent any other serious injuries. This sort of prevents me from eliminating meat from my diet.

I've narrowed it down as you have, no pork or beef, but I still eat chicken almost everyday or occasionally salmon. I'm sort of on an anti-salmon kick now though since I read some shit about farmed salmon. I've never been big on eggs, I drink a lot of milk.

Like a lot of people said, eliminating it altogether might not be the best solution. An ideal diet has meat in it whether some people want to admit that or not.
>> Anonymous
cockatiel isnt meat
>> Anonymous
>>73126

so because you failed at being a vegetarian other people will fail too?

And what are these special "lipids" that are only found in meat? Lipids are fat and cholesterol. The only cholesterol your body needs is the kind it makes for itself - that is why it makes chol. in the first place.

Vegetarians are pussies. Vegans know what's really going on.
>> Anonymous
>>73154

That's not true. As mentioned before, it's about how the individual balances their diet, as opposed to the resources available to them. Everything found in meat can also be obtained through vegetation. (mostly seeds and beans) Knowing what to eat is key in maintaining a healthy vegetarian / vegan diet. If you don't, then you're going to run into problems like this. That would be your own fault for not understanding nutrition.
>> Anonymous
>>73172
Certain B-vitamins and amino acids will have to be supplemented.
>> Anonymous
>>73203

Wrong again. Where do you think herbavorious animals get their amino acids? From plants. These are then passed onto us when we consume their meat. However, other than the soy bean, there is no one single plant that contains all the essential amino acids. That's not to say they're difficult to obtain, just that you need to understand and apply the right balance of foods.

As for B-vitamins, I'm not sure what you mean. Why would it need to be supplemented at all?
>> FatOldBenzGuy
>>73215
Humans are not herbivores.
Our digestive track is very different and we lack the capability to digest cellulose.
Because a cow can live on grass, does not mean you can too.
>> Anonymous
>>On another note, appealing to ridicule is a fallacious way to form an argument. If you have some logical objection to veganism, then you're more than entitled to argue it. Otherwise, you're being disruptive for no good reason.

Welcome to 4chan. Nice blockatiel.

I be the OP knew better than to ask this on /ck/, and probably got more helpful responses here.
>> Anonymous
Boca chicken is disgusting. Morning Star Farms chicken and Veat chicken are the best I've found so far. But I prefer the Boca burgers to MSF burgers, though the MSF ground beef type stuff is super great to cook with.

Take dishes where you used to use meat, and just make it the same as you would have, substituting the fake meat for the real meat. Be careful that you don't switch to eating a lot of junk food!
>> Anonymous
>>73240

If your argument had any rational consideration, then ridicule wouldn't be necessary...

FYI, I did not suggest that humans should graze in fields of grass.
>> Anonymous
>>73240

Our digestive track is 3 times as long as our body height, while a carnivore's digestive track is 1 to 2 times its body length. It's designed that way to strip nutrients off the meat quicky and push the dead flesh out of it'd body. Since out intestines are so long, it would be harmful to consume meat because it's hanging around longer and has a tendency to get stuck in the colon and other crevices in the small intestines. Rotting meat sitting in your intestines is a bio-hazardous risk, increasing chances for disease like cancer.

That being said, it would make more sense that humans are herbivores/scavengers.
>> Anonymous
actually your digestive tract is longer than a football field.
>> Anonymous
>>73262

A football field? You're joking right? There's no way 100+ yards of intestines could fit inside the mid-section of a human being.

They're atleast 25 feet long. Last I checked, you got a few more feet to go until you hit the endzone.

You need to re-evalute your common sense.
>> Anonymous
>>73259
Soy causes more digestive cancers than meat.
>> Anonymous
>>73267

No. In fact, it does not. Please link me to a study that suggests otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>73262
I think you are mistaking length with surface area. The lining of the intestine isn't smooth, it has small (almost microscopic) finger like protrusions wich greatly increase surface area. But not to a football field... I remember hearing in science class it was more like a tennise court in size.
>> Anonymous
>>73267
soy can cause problems like goiter, that's all i've ever heard. show us the links otherwise.

for americans anyway its easy to get enough iodized salt, for example, in your diet without even thinking about it, which basically solves the problem of goiter. plus, just like with most everything else, you'd have to eat a shit ton to see any negative results.
>> Anonymous
I hate it when people don't eat meat just because they want to save animals.

Don't a shit ton of animals get killed when harvesting crops and grain?
>> A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
OP here. I want to go vegetarian mainly because I don't like the way animals are treated, as well as the fact that raising animals for food does much harm to the environment. Plus I like animals like pigs, cows, chickens, etc. When I finally do cut out meat, I'll also try to buy environmentally friendly eggs, milk, etc. I don't want to go vegan because I am rather fond of cheese and yogurt, and I'm worried I'll get sick (which happens alot I hear). Though I have some friends whose son is allergic to milk so sometimes I try their vegan food (they had some delicious ravioli one time), and it can be quite tasty!
>> Anonymous
>>73316

>>I finally do cut out meat, I'll also try to buy environmentally friendly eggs, milk, etc.

failure.

Animals are killed when wheat, corn, rye, etc. are harvested.
The only way you insure that no animals are harm is to grow you own fucking food.
>> Anonymous
>>73315

Yes, it's true that field mice/worms/bugs might be killed in the process of harvesting vegetables, but look at how much intention slaughter there is with chickens, pigs, cows etc. It's staggering the number of animals intentionally slaughtered.

So with Veganism, though not perfect (unless you grow your own food), you're practicing the lesser of two "evils".

and I use the " " so people can interpret what it means for themselves, and not further an idiotic flame war about ethics of animal slaughter.

You could care less if cluckers the chicken is in pain when killed, but there are environmental and health factors which are concrete and applicable to human life that isn't left up to interpretation and debate.
>> Anonymous
>>73320

Cows have to eat too. Aside from other cows, what do you think they eat? The same damned vegetable crops that kill small animals in the harvesting process. So either way, some animals die. With veganism/vegetarianism, less die. As>>73329said, it's not perfect, but it's the lesser of two evils.

To OP: I strongly recommend you invest in a book on vegan/vegetarian nutrition (Becoming Vegetarian or Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis/Vesanto Melina are both great). I didn't when I first went vegan, so I made a lot of mistakes (namely, I just dropped meat out of my diet and didn't replace it with any good sources of protein, fat, or iron) and wound up having lots of deficiencies (mostly fatty acid deficiencies). I also lost a lot of weight (roughly 80 lbs), so if you're at a normal weight right now, be careful to eat enough. It's possible to be very healthy on a plant-only diet, but you have to take a little extra care in doing it right.
>> Anonymous
>>73329
And rats, bunnies, birds, snakes, lizards, reptiles, etc.
and chemicals used on the things will not only kill smaller animals, but other animals that eat the tainted animal. Such as cats, foxes, etc.
>> Napoleon
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I think this whole section of the argument can be solved with this.

Face it. Humans are evil no matter what they're eating. Something ends up getting killed in order for us to survive. It's the circle of life (cue sunrise), and there's nothing a plague like humanity can do to stop it or alter it. Quote from Fight Club, you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake, and one person does, in fact, NOT make a difference.

Just do whatever you want for your own good, and don't try to force it on others by acting high and mighty and superior. It doesn't matter if you think you're right, because to someone else, you're wrong.
>> Anonymous
There's nothing evil about killing, maiming or torturing animals. Not eating pork out of concern for the stupid beasts is about as retarded as not doing so for religious reasons.
>> Anonymous
>>73352

pigs exhibit the same if not more intelligence than a dog. Would this excuse the killing, maiming, and torturing of dogs since they're basically the same mentally capacitated animal? A lot of people, Vegan or not, will strongly disagree with that.
>> Anonymous !Faggot0jV6
In after ethical dick measuring contest.

I was a vegetarian for 8 years before somewhat rejoining Team Meat and the biggest mistake most vegetarians make is thinking they can get all their protein from dairy. In reality, dairy doesn't have nearly as much protein as people assume it does and it's not really a rational trade off with the fat content. It's best to try getting it from nuts and soy. I'd definitely check up on various vegan (YES VEGAN) recipes and see if you can cook something fairly nutritious for yourself in the absence of meat. I've known a lot of vegetarians ruin their health by over-relying on dairy products. I'm not suggesting you should go vegan, but looking at some of those recipes will actually add variety and health to your diet. Vegans are notorious label-watchers, so almost all the tips you'll get from vegans will list protein content, health benifits, vitamins, whole bit. You can add other things later for taste.

Annnd if you're really only bothered by the way animals are treated on farms you might as fucking well go vegan because they're treated the exact same way on dairy farms. Another option is free range but due to dodgy FDA/USDA definitions free range is sometimes a scam. If you really want to go through the energy of figuring out how the animals are treated on various farms run by "free range" companies the tubes are clogged with watchdog groups and shit like that. That's ultimately what I ended up doing and I don't regret it.
>> Anonymous
I've thought about it for purely health reasons...not political. I could give a fuck less about cows. But I'd still eat plenty of fish and maybe lean chicken.
>> Anonymous
>>73352
killing and eating is great. torturing animals on the other hand is for stoner kids in ALabama who listen to Deicide
>> Anonymous
>>73315

No, but would the accidental death of animals during harvesting justify the intentional slaughter of others? You'll need to come up with better reasoning than that...

>>73352

Humans have emotions. The reason why we consider inflicting pain on other humans wrongful is because we have the empathic sense to know that a world full of pain would be undesirable. Animals also feel pain. Why don't we extend any empathy to them? Their destructions really is not necessary... People have lived vegetarian lives all throughout history without any problems.
>> Anonymous
>>73259
I hope you're a troll, and not actually that stupid.
>> Anonymous
>>73515
It's not necessary, it's utterly indifferent. There's no point in wasted care on animals when so many people lack it.
>> Anonymous
>>73535
Actually, he's partly right. Our very remote ancestors ate mostly off rotting animal carcasses left behind by predators and fruits, when they were available. Of course, nobody would be insane enough to go on a hazardous scavenger diet when they can have fresh meat. So his argument is pretty much a moot point.
>> vegetarian chicken abby
get quorne
>> FatOldBenzGuy
>>73259
That post is a) bullshit and b) dangerous.
I guess you are a fan of enemas to get rid of those dangerous residues in your colon.
That's BULLSHIT.
A healthy human takes a good crap every other day and nothing ever remains in the colon.
Curses upon Kellogg and his ridiculous ideas.
Meat is easier to digest because it is similar to our own bodies.
There is nothing "rotting" inside you.
The colon is not the primary tool for digesting cellulose.
A cow has 4 stomachs who are busy digesting green stuff.
A human has 1!
Animals capable of living on green stuff alone have the ability to ruminate.
I have yet to find a human capable of this.

I'd propose you get more enemas and ruin your digestive environment (you kill the necessary bacteria).
>> FatOldBenzGuy
Contd.:

Humans rarely eat fresh meat.
What we get from the butcher is usually matured meat and at least some days old.
>> Anonymous
>>73515The reason why we consider inflicting pain on other humans wrongful is because we have the empathic sense to know that a world full of pain would be undesirable.

Humans also find it enjoyable to cause pain. :/
>> Anonymous
>>73554

Actually, the human body lacks much of the acids necessary to break down and digest meat. We actually don't benefit from consuming meat as much as other species, because our bodies can't absorb all of the nutrients of it. And yes -- it does indeed rot inside our bowels (and colon) for quite a while. Sometimes, it may even get stuck inbetween tissue. This more or less accounts for problems such as colon cancer.
>> FatOldBenzGuy
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>>73578
Peta brainwash.
Our stomach acid is capable of dissolving everything.
HCL is one of the most aggressive acids you will be able to find ever.
Even the enzymes of spittle are already capable of destroying protein (gnaw on your fingernails, they turn white/denaturalization).

Yes, meat can turn bad if the colon is too long.
That's why predators have short colons (wolf 7m) and vegetarians have long colons (63 m for a cow).
Now a human has between 6 and 9 meters of colon.
Not very long for our body size.
Meat just doesn't stay very long in our body.
There are no pouches or hindrances in our intestines which could cause meat to get stuck.
>> Anonymous
man... humans are naturally omnivores, not herbivores. north american bears are also omnivores. you don't see a bear out there sayin "you know what? i'm gonna start eating only berries and other veggies instead of killing the occasional deer or salmon." we are NATURALLY omnivores... why do you all fight to go against what nature intended.
>> That Gomez
>>73582
>>Our stomach acid is capable of dissolving everything.

Except corn.

>>73620
Listen to this man. Vegitarian is a noble thing to do, but in the end, it's fruitless. One of my good friends is vegitarian but knows she's not saving any cows. Sure, she may not be eating any or contributing to the sale of dead animals, but she knows that her choice isn't worth a damn. but then, she didn't really like meat to begin with.
>> FatOldBenzGuy
>>73628
Corn?
I got no problem with corn.
Fiber is ususlly the stuff that goes in and goes out the same way.
>> Anonymous
>>73633
Sometimes little pieces of onions come out in my poo.
>> Anonymous
We can, and do digest meat. Meat is broken down to lipid and protein forms respectfully.

We cannot, however, digest cellulose in plants. This is called "bulk fiber" because it is not digested and only adds bulk to feces.
>> A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
>>73620
What's unnatural though are the lives our meat animals lead. The salmon the bear kills lives free until the bear kills it. Most of the pigs, cows, chickens, etc, that we kill live all their short lives cramped in small, miserable stalls. They're also subject to painful procedures without anesthetic (how many wild animals can you think of have their beaks regularly cut off/are branded?). So yeah, it's natural for meat eating animals to hunt other wild animals. It's unatural for one species to act like they own everything and force other animals to live short, terrible excuses for lives.
>> Anonymous
>>73645
Yet, it is somehow natural for you to tell others what they should or shouldn't eat based upon your personal opinion?

So it's wrong for others to exercise their opinion, but it's right for you to demand the world lives YOUR opinion.

Nice, PETAwhore.
>> FatOldBenzGuy
>>73646
Nothing wrong with demaning more humane conditions for animals.
I find these lacking too and last not least raising the conditions will also raise the quality of meat and other products (less stress etc.).
That's why I prefer to buy directly from the farm or bio-products.
>> A.r. !!1J3JRobqN2a
>>73646
Hey! Where did that come from! My comment wasn't particularly rude, so why do you have to go off and make assumptions like that! The only thing I advocate right now is that we give meat animals better lives. Also, I Humane Society>PETA. If the Humane Society is an adult handling things in a mature manner, then PETA is a five year old having a hissy fit.
>> Anonymous
I enjoy a juicy steak as much as the next omnivore, but I agree that there's nothing wrong with treating the animals we eat better.

The reason they are treated so horribly is because it saves big companies money. I'm all for pushing them to spend a little extra for humane treatment.
>> Anonymous
>>73649
>>73651
>>73652
lol all around. They're food, fags. Not family.
>> Anonymous
>>73670
well, say that to a farmer.
Animals are family.
>> Anonymous
I think Morning Star Farms has some veggie chicken(ish) nuggets, and they're not bad. Actually pretty tasty with your favorite dipping sauce. I don't think there is such a thing as a good chicken substitute. The taste is usually all messed up, or the texture is horrible. I found that the Morning Star Farms sausage patties and links were the best fake meat, and if you're ever looking for a fake burger ignore the fake meat stuff and just go with a veggie pattie or a spicy black bean pattie. I was a vegetarian for 7-8 years, and I've gotta say, life is a lot easier when you're not, and the food is better/more varied.
>> Anonymous
>>73582

PeTA? I hope you realize that I utterly disdain PeTA and its propoganda. This is all original research. Crack open any medical / psiology book and read up on the subject for yourself. Otherwise, I suggest you provide *something* to support your claims.
>> Anonymous
>>73789Crack open any medical / psiology book..

My psiology book says that this is a troll, lol.
>> Anonymous
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Hi, somewhat new vegetarian here. Started last year. Occasionally I still eat poltry, though. I didn't become vegetarian for the sake of the animals, but more for the sake of my health. Since going to a primarily vegetarian and well-balanced diet, I haven't even got a cold for a year now. I used to get seriously ill [flu or worse] at least twice a year. In addition to a better immune system, I also lost around 40-50 pounds and am at a healthy weight. The only thing you gotta remember is not to limit yourself. Since quitting meat, my diet hasn't been limited at all: in fact, I'm eating way more varieties of food than I ever did eating typical American fare. I recommend checking out hxxp://www.calorieconnect.com/ for info on what's actually in the foods you're thinking about eating. It will tell you the vitamins and fats in pretty much any food you can think of [including moose]. As for good meat replacement foods, M.S. Farms "chicken" patties are great with a little ketchup. I also dig their black bean burgers. But in general, rich, well seasoned beans, especially black beans and red beans, will definitely quench meat and protein cravings easily, without having to rely on processed stuff like M.S. Farms. Balance your diet, treat yourself, and cook for yourself as often as you can. Good luck, and don't listen to people's crap about how meat is "essential" in your everyday diet. If you really pay close attention to how the food you're eating makes you feel, you'll get in tune with what feels right in no time.
>> Anonymous
>>73676
I’m a farmer and I’ll tell you the gunner kills them not me. It only irritates me when the cows get sick because I’ve wasted my time and money on raising it. If you want the animal to be treated better buy grade A beef. It tastes better and the cow wont need to be ran to death.
>> Anonymous
>>73126

you should have supplemented more protein in your diet then
you failed
>> Anonymous
>>73215

how can an amindo acid, that's already been digested by the animal through it's intestines, be past on through the fat and meat of an animal. it wont be present in the meat
>> Anonymous
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>>73259

differences between carnivores, herbivores and omnivores
>> Anonymous
>>73554

a healthy human should be shitting once a day
if the shit stinks then something has been rotting inside your intestinal track ie meat
shit shouldnt stink
i bet yours does
>> Anonymous
this is still going on?
>> Anonymous
>>74209
a healthy human shit whenever he likes
and the smell is as good as shit can be
gtfo
>> Anonymous
>>74206
That table is full of bullshit.

For example, the human small intestine IS NOT FUCKING 10-11 TIMES BODY LENGTH. It's 6 meters (18 feet) on average. That's a bit more than three times body length, which would indicate that we are indeed closer to CARNIVORES according to your table.
>> Anonymous
>>74206
I've seen a similiar table proving that humans are an aquatic mammal. If it's printed, it must be true!!
>> FatOldBenzGuy
>>74219
I agree.
That table has one purpose: To prove that humans are vegetarians.
Which they are not.
For this purpose every fact is "bent" towards the outcome.
>> Anonymous
I know someone who is a raw food vegan, but can watch you eat a BK quadstacker and not get all enviormental on you.
>> Anonymous
I've been vegan for 8 months, and vegetarian for 13 years. I've run the Boston Marathon, Chicago Marathon, a few half-marathons, and several dozen other road races, and I consider myself to be healthy.

However - everyone's individual biochemistry is different. If you feel better eating one type of food, go for it. Don't delude yourself either way though - either carni/omnivores just to be contrarians or because you can't find manhood any other way, or vegetarians/vegans because self-righteousness or reliance on statistical data blinds you to how your body has responded to your diet.

I would recommend all the naysayers go veg/vegan for a month. Doing something you find difficult is a sign of strength, not bullheaded loyalty to the lifestyle you've never challenged because it's to easy to not change and simply point at vegan/vegetarians and assume they must be wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>74240
In before Bel-Air.
>> Anonymous
Actually, I think we should kill all those useless whiny vegans to put their meat on our tables.
>> Anonymous
I recommend that you stop being a dumbass.