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>> Anonymous
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/807641/posts
>> Anonymous
I wonder if there is any other photos of these things. This is the only one I've seen online, yet I've seen adult domestic foxes on the TV once.
>> Anonymous
are they breeding them with dogs?
Because `it doesnt mention that in the article, yet the "foxes" look nothing like a fox anymore.
>> Anonymous
>>198220

its a poor russian experiment, probably lol. If this did continue they probably ended up "becoming dogs". Which kind of kills the point IMO. It was posted in 2002. Its been 5 years. Probably shut down and all sold to fur farms or bred heavily with dogs.
>> Anonymous
>>198220
No.

They are choosing the most friendly, tame and fearless kits and letting them breed together. The doglike features are just a genetic side effect of the domestication. Dogs are deep down just neotenic wolves. These are neotenic silver foxes.
>> Anonymous
>>198221
>>bred heavily with dogs.

LOL ignorance
>> Anonymous
>>198226

If they did start breeding them with dogs the chance that a number of them could reproduce isn't that unlikely. I don't know why you're defending them, they've disregarded the experiment to sell them and keep them as pets.
>> Anonymous
And yes I know they said they were only breeding foxes. But like I said, this is a poor russian experiment. They could easily lie. I honestly doubt they would get results that quickly even if they were strict about which ones bred.
>> Anonymous
>>198229
eventually someone will pick up where they left off or start from scratch.
>> Anonymous
>>198229
And this comes from what reliable source? There has been no single verifyable case of dog being able to crossbreed with a fox, and the only unverifyable case that seems at all believable resulted in two dead pups and one infertile one. You can't exactly heavily crosbreed FOXES with DOGS!
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>198220

Crosbreeding a fox with a dog is about as plausible as crossbreeding a housecat with a mountain lion.

Sure both may be felids/canids, but they are not THAT closely related.

The russian experiment was nothing more than an excercise in good old fashioned breeding looking for "tameability" factors in the offspring and then breeding the best ones to eachother.

It could just work out, though it would probably be a hard sell in Europe where foxes has a reputation as disease vectors.
>> Anonymous
while the silver foxes were cool, why didn't those soviets breed kodiak bears for lethality... (that research, I would pay for)
>> Anonymous
>>198221
would you like to breed heavily with my two lb cock?
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>198223
IIRC the same dude (or was it his teacher? been awhile since I read the paper) also selected foxes for agressiveness. The experiment has been shut down, and he has now moved on to repeating the procedure (breeding one group for agression, one for tameness) on rats.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/25/health/25rats.html
Article mainly about the rat experiment, but with some backtory regarding Belyaev and his foxes.>>198203's link is more scientific, but it may be a bit.. in depth for 4chan.
>> Anonymous
>>198946
I agree with this guy.
>> Anonymous
Domesticated bears would be useless/adorable.
>> Anonymous
I dream of a domesticated Cthulhu...
>> Anonymous
>>198232

Actually, I have seen this and the foxes were bred together, but only the most tame and friendly of the foxes were alowed to breed together.

And if you are wondering why such dramatic changes are happening so quickly it is actually because all species canines, like fixes wolves and dogs have a very unique trait in their gene. It allows for rapid alterations in the genetic code naturally.
So instead of taking millions of years of evolution, Canines can change quickly to the breeders will.
>> Anonymous
>>199405

Kinda how it took 3000 years for Mr. Doberman to create his own breed am i right?

And on the AKC shows when the say a "relativly recent breed" they mean that it took many generations of a dedicated group of people to produce said breed am i right?

To get the dozens of radically different terriers for instance..that must have taken what? A million years or two?

Also I think the working term is that their dna is "slippery"
>> Anonymous
http://cbsu.tc.cornell.edu/ccgr/behaviour/Fox_Behavior.htm

this is the best link.