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Dog Whisperer Anonymous
Anyone like The Dog Whisperer?

I think it's a good show, I like the episode where this family had a little dog who was aggressive, so Ceasar brought the dog to his kennel. And the little dog tried to bite one of Ceaser's pit bull, but the pit bull just looked at the little dog like he's crazy.
>> Anonymous
>>338952

I used to like the dog whisperer, but I now love him since most of the fags in /an/ think they can do a better job than he can and regularly have rage-fests concerning his training techniques.
>> Anonymous
>>338984
Me too.
>> Anonymous
his main doctrine is to treat dogs like dogs instead of people, and make sure they get enough exercise so they dont get bored and destructive. makes some sense to me.
>> Anonymous
>>338984
no

/an/ doesn't like him because Stillwell is > and he is a mexinigger
>> Jim Profit !cMAAqC5VYY
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Dog Whisperer is original. And it's great to see someone finally not blaming the dog, but the humans they interact with.

We're the evolved species, we're the intelligent species.

Yet we blame the dog for their fuckups and viciousness. "It's a bad breed" or "it's a bad dog".

There are no bad dogs. Only bad trainers.
>> Anonymous
Ceaser Milan deals with dogs with behavioral problems, he is not a dog trainer, he doesn't make dogs do tricks. His basic teachings are very solid. Always be the pack leader, which means stay calm, don't get angry, provide the dog with exercise, stability and tasks, makes sense since dogs were bred to be submissive and obedient, for the purpose of jobs like hunting, herding and so on. Treat the dog like a dog, which is sorely needed because many people treat dogs, regardless of size and age, like defenseless little babies. Educate the owners in reading a dogs body language and the meaning of certain acts, which some people are completely in denial about, to many consider aggressive and dominant actions to be "cute and just one of their personality "quirks". But given all that he still views the dogs with respect, admiration and knows how much more a dog can offer to a person and how fulfilling it can be.
>>339004
You're and idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>338952
WOW WHAT THE FUCK1!!!! THAT GUY IS MEXICAN RIGHT? DUDE HE KNOWS HIS DOGS!! MEXICO SHOULD HAVE MORE DOGS!
>> Anonymous
It's an interesting show when I remember it's on, but I never like time-compressed things like that.

Gives you the idea that you can make that shit work overnight, when it's a process of days, weeks, and months.

It's good to have someone reminding people that animals, however cute, are still fucking animals though, and need to respond to cues they can relate to.
>> Anonymous
I hate this show because my mother watched it and tried "training" my dog with that annoying "CH" sound that never works.
She now owns my dog.
>> Anonymous
The problem with his show is that most of the dogs he trains are extreme cases, which do benefit from the aggressive method he uses. However, many people who watch is show tend to try to emulate the method he uses on their own dogs, and a great deal of the time the owner will not read their dogs signals correctly, or the dog was not a severe enough case to require that sort of training in the first place. In both situations, it's mentally distressing for the dog and can be counter-productive.

Although the dog whisperer helps most of the dogs on his show, I have a feeling that he does more harm than good in this world (though no fault of his own).
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I lost all respect for Caesar Milan when he came up with this collar and showed it on his show as if it was the greatest thing ever. The collar is really painful for the dog since it has a lot of nerves in it's neck. He's also a big promoter of collars, most other dog "psychologists" I know of prefers the harness. Since the collar isn't supposed to be painful or uncomfortable, that's not how you should control your dog. (Swedish Anders Hallgren, if anyone knows of him?)

Also I don't think he puts enough weight into mental stimulation, but all he yacks about is being a "leader". Yeah well, that's good. But I don't think his "exercise, discipline, love" doctrine is fair. It should be "physical exercise, mental exercise, discipline & love"
And most of the cases are so extreme that his methods just aren't appliable to real life.
>> Anonymous
Also, it pisses me off how many dirty tricks Caesar Milan uses that he then explains is "his energy". I mean come on..
The stranger effect - he's a stranger and that makes the dog uncomfortable & listens more. Like when my new girlfriend went out with my dog she was a complete angel, even unleashed. But after 2-3 walks she didn't listen one bit. Dogs are like that. Milan takes the dog from the owners, then does something with it that they never could (for example, my gf could keep the dog loose when meeting other dogs and the dog still wouldn't run away from her) AND he does some domination routines against the dog making it even more insecure.
Then he usually limits the training to one or two places, where the dog doesn't hang out in it's regular time. For example his yard.
Not to mention his "flooding" technique. He overwhelms the dog with physical stimulation before he does anything - without telling the owners that flooding is bad and can lead to VERY negative reactions when the dog is too tired. Not something you should regularly try if your dog is nervous around children or anything like that.

I've never seen a follow-up show on any of the dogs, or what the owners have though about Caesar Milan 6 months later. Have you?
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Milan has some nice ideas. It is indeed important to be the pack leader and to know your body language to reassure your dog. His somewhat aggressive methods (physical subjugation) work well for the extreme cases in his shows.
However, I think that he tends to neglect the rewards. Imho, positive reinforcement should generally be the first choice for dog training. You can achieve much better results and a MUCH better relationship to your dog if you show him, what you want him to do (by rewards), instead of showing him what you don't want him to do (by punishment).
>> Anonymous
>>339166
I think leadership comes from being interesting and providing the dog with interesting tasks.
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>339166 here

>>339168
I think it primarily comes from providing resources (food, water, toys, a sleeping place) and estimating situations ("This thing is dangerous, go
back!" or "This place is save, you can relax and play now."). That's what alpha wolves do and it works pretty well with your dogs, if you give a convincing performance (confidence and assuredness!).

Of course you can also physically restrict your dog and show "who's the boss". But this is only necessary in a very few cases (very dominate dogs, mainly teenage males). And before you put your dog down onto its back (this alpha roll thing), you should try to grab its nose or push the neck (more common correction methods of wolves and dogs). Being too rough with an unsure dog can severely traumatize it. And if your dog loses its trust in you, the only things left are constant fear and misery.
>> Anonymous
I don't have a TV so I understandably don't watch a lot of TV, but one of my friends' family is obsessed with this show. One time when I was over at their house, they were watching it so I ended up watching it too. Apparently they've followed that guys instructions religiously in training their two dogs. Incidentally, those dogs are the most crazy, untrained things I've ever met. They bark all the time, don't know any commands like "come" or "sit", and still pee on the floor (they're 4 years old) and I'm like "Seriously? Did you do any training at all?". I don't think they're able to accurately give off that sense of authority over their dogs or something... I dunno. My family had a dog and she was always perfect: Knew tons of tricks, never bit or barked, only pooped in a designated 5'x5' corner of our huge backyard. My dad's way of training our dog was very different from Milan's though. It was basically, a ton of dog schools and then discipline on the spot if she was bad. Comparing my family's dog to my friend's dogs... well, there really is no comparison. My dog rocked and hers were hella untrained. I suppose Milan's way would work if one was doing it right, but I suspect that they must be doing it very wrong.
>> Anonymous
>>339006
>We're the evolved species
*All* species are evolved
>> Anonymous
>>339193
Yea I don't think just watching the guys show and trying to replicate it would have much effect. Especially if you didn't have any experience in training dogs beforehand.
>> Anonymous
The show says not to try these technicians on your own and get advice from a dog trainer. Blaming him for people doing just that is like blaming Jackass for teenagers being idiots.
>> Anonymous
>>339158
The stranger effect? That's bullshit, most untrained dogs I have ever seen tend to listen less to strangers, so I don't know where you got that. Domination techniques? Are you talking about, the roll? If so he only does that when a dog attacks another dog or a person, since its an unacceptable thing for a dog to do it needs a strong reaction, just like you wouldn't punish someone who jaywalks the same as someone who assaults people. If you are talking about claiming a space or object, why not? If something belongs to you they should only use it when you allow them to. As for training locations, he uses a wide variety of places including their homes, neighborhoods and if the dog needs to be socialized with his dogs at his place. A fast paced walk is flooding with physical stimulation? Well then you must consider people who exercise very unstable right, even though regular exercise puts people in a better mood, I'm not sure how a dog feels after wards but they seem to be fairly calm and not traumatized as you like to think. Yes, there have been followups and if what you claimed was true, the dogs he keeps like Daddy his pitbull, would be the most aggressive, unstable dog ever, yet he constantly behaves well, is calm, doesn't go crazy when dogs become aggressive towards him and is very affectionate to strangers. Look, dogs are not these fragile little things that will die and break without your constant babying and overprotecting them. It's the same thing with so many parents who don't believe in punishment or are not firm enough with it and then end up with some of the biggest, whiniest brats you can imagine that every body hates having to deal with, that mirrors dog owners exactly.
>> Anonymous
>>339316
I AGREE. THATS BULLSHIT!!!!! AAAARRGHHHHHHHH
>> Anonymous
>>339324
I CONCUR WITH HIS AGREEMENT. THAT IS ALL BULLSHIT!!!!!
>> Anonymous
>>339156

Harnesses in any species are to make it easier for the animal to pull weight, but are not meant to give you any semblance of control. The idea that you should a harness for training is probably the most counterproductive thing I can think of. If a collar, any collar, is used correctly, then there should be no undue discomfort.

Also, he is very much an advocate of mental exercise and letting a dog express it's breed driven instincts. He's had people teach their hounds to track or taken a herding dog to sheep ranch if he feels it will help the situation.
>> Anonymous
>>339536
I AGREE TO YOUR AGREEMENT TO THE POST AGREEMENT!!! THAT IS ALL BULLSHIT INDEED!!!!
>> Anonymous
>>339969
you forgot your sage

I added it for you
>> Anonymous
>>338985
Me also.
>> Anonymous
I started liking the dog whisper after watching south park. I now apply his techniques to my kids.