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So /an/ I have a question. My chocolate lab just had her puppies on Halloween night. (In b4 omg get your dog spade!!!!111!@. Shes getting spade a bit after they're weaned.)

Aaaanyways, naturally shes bleeding out her vagoo now. and I'm just wondering, how long is this gonna last? I mean I know she can't help it, but I'm gettin sick of cleaning splotches of blood off the floor.

Pic somewhat related. those ain't our puppies. If they were I'd be slightly freaked out.
>> Anonymous
She might have torn her crotch pocket, go to vet for bleeding stop.
>> Anonymous
>>176418
We asked the vet about it and they said the bleeding was normal.
>> Anonymous
If my question is answered truthfully, reward will be a thousand internets, and pics of the little buggers.
>> Crush'sFan
It'll stop soon. Thrust me.

Now, about those internets...
>> Anonymous
>>176432
Not into thrusting random people sorry. internets only if a correct time period is given.
>> Crush'sFan
>>176440
Like, two days.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
You should have gotten the dog spayed as soon as you knew she was pregnant. It would have cost you a little extra to abort the pups, but I personally would prefer to abort the puppies before they know what suffering is, than to let them grow and either live a short life and get put down, or take the place of one of the 10 million something animals that get put down every year due to homelessness.

That being said, you can get some doggy diapers from your local petstore and try those. Alternatively, you can get some children's underwear and line them with sanitary pads (you can tape them in to make them stay). Make sure you cut a hole for her tail.

Also, Google is your friend for the answer to your question. You'd get your answer there, and you wouldn't have to deal with the "In b4 omg get your dog spade!!!!111!@," as you so eloquently put it. Good luck with the pups.
>> Anonymous
>>176441
somebody else wanna answer me please? I do not believe this anon.
>> Anonymous
>>176443
No. I wouldn't of gotten them aborted. and yes I know how many animals get put down a year thanks. I know this shit already my god! And were not just gonna dump them off at the pound if we can't find homes for them. god forbid somebody lets their dog have a litter of puppies.

thank you for the other tips however.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>176444
The normal discharge time is approximately a week after whelping.
>> Anonymous
>>176448
Okay thank you. Thousand internets for you despite the whole your making other dogs die thing.

I'll have pics up in a bit.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>176449
For some reason your reply made me laugh. Thank you, mostly grammatically correct (hilarious when not) Anon.
>> Anonymous
I suppose I've got another question for ya'll. one of the females has a white spot on her chest. Is that gonna stay there when shes older? just outa curiosity.
>> Anonymous
anon demands pictures of puppies to look at
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well I can only post two pics right now. Phone died on me, and I don't have a camera so yeah. sorry about the crapy-ness.

Sorry this pic doesn't show their faces. I didn't want to wake them up and interrupt their pile.
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>>176451
Uhh you're welcome? lol.

Anyways, heres one with mom in it.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>176452
Dogs will change coat colors their whole lives. Some changes are more drastic than others. If the spot is very small relatively speaking, then I wouldn't bet that it'll be terribly noticeable when the dog gets older.

You should wait until they are at least five weeks before trying to see what they'll look like. They'll change color a lot in those first five weeks.
>> Anonymous
>>176456
Ah okay thanks again Tiger. I wont get my hopes up then.
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>>176446
lol yes, Zygote actually have enough nerves to feel pain.
I love it how all say they will find a good home and still so many pups find themselves at our pound.
Well, actually, I don't like it that much.
>> Anonymous
>>176501
Well they will go to fucking fantastic homes that'll sign a contract saying they won't put them in a pound. Or they ain't getting the dogs. probably will take us forever to find homes like that for them, but so be it.

And it was planned that she was going to have a litter. (Not quite the way we wanted her to get pregnant, but oh well.) so of course we wouldn't of aborted them! We were going to wait about another year before breeding her. but then their dad jumped the 7 foot fence to my back yard while nobody was home.
>> tigerfeather !CrwtTbFNxQ
>>176512
Well, I guess I'm a little more pleased that you were planning the litter. Just a little.

Why were you choosing to breed her? Do you show dogs? Are you breeding for temperament? Or all-around soundness? She doesn't look like she fits champion standards for showing.
>> Anonymous
>>176515
I didn't choose to breed her. My dad did. Something about mellowing her out. We want to keep her blood line going, and we had an agreement with her mom's owners that they'd get the first pick of her litter. (My family is keeping one too.)

I doubt she is show standard, but honestly I don't care because we don't show her or plan too, and we all think shes just gorgeous. Shes also a pretty good bird hunter from what her mom's owners told us(My family doesn't hunt, they do. So she gets to go camping with them.) and we really want to keep that ability going in her line.
>> Anonymous
>>176520

Good on ya, then. Smart, athletic hunting dogs are hard to come by, and I'd much rather see those genes preserved than the fucked-up shit show breeders go for.
>> Anonymous
>>176520
To keep her bloodline going? While other dogs die? Well, that's utter bullshit. Why do you need to keep her bloodline going? She's not up for the breed standarts and she won't know her grandchildren (which I hope won't exist, but I won't be that optimistic).
Ah, wait! She know how to kill birds! Good for her.

>>176522
I really hope you were being cynical.
>> Anonymous
>>176535
Maybe we like how her blood line turns out and want to keep it in the family. Ever thought of that? sure thats not a definite that every dog in said line will be right for us. And that doesn't mean other dogs are bad either. We just like our dogs.

Besides when you live in Idaho, theres a demand for good bird dogs. Not that we're trying to supply that demand. It just helps find them good homes who don't give a fuck if they're not up to the breed standard.

oh and learn how bird hunting with dogs works. The dogs don't actually kill the fucking birds. They find them, point them out to the hunter, then scares the birds out of the hiding place once the hunter tells it too. Then they retrieve the birds body once it's shot.(I may not be exact but I'm sure thats the gist of it. Any bird hunter feel free to correct me.)

>>176522
It makes me sad thinking about all the genetic fuck ups some show dogs get from inbreeding and such.

But these pups are defiantly going to be athletic. The mom is fastest lab I've seen in my life, and the dad can easily clear a 7 ft fence. We're going to have our hands full when those little guys get their eyes open, and become a bit more mobile.
>> Anonymous
>>176545

I've got nothing against dog breeding. But I am a bit confused:

You want to continue the bloodline of your hunting dogs. But, you don't know how hunting is actually done. That certainly implies that you don't actually hunt with your dog(s). So, what exactly is the point to having a good bird dog if you don't actually go bird hunting?
>> Anonymous
>>176548


I said this in an earlier post. I don't hunt, but my neighbors (her mom's owners) do. We keep her as a companion dog. And she does go hunting with them on occasion.
>> Anonymous
Jesus, do we have a secret PETA enclave here? It's obvious from the very first post that the OP cares about the dogs because he/she/it asked the question and it seemed equally obvious to me that the family doesn't breed dogs to make a living so they aren't nearly as heinous in their actions as the people who pump out puppies without caring where they end up.

Look at the cute pictures, get a life, and go back to your chronic masturbation.
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Welp anyways. Now that my phone has decided to work, I've got pics!
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>>176556
Thank you anon! Hopefully they'll get it now!

anyways, more puppy pics.
>> Anonymous
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I case you haven't noticed, I took pictures of them individually, lol. much easier to see how cute their wrinkled little faces are that way.
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And this is the last one. 10 puppies is quite a litter eh?
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
1) Its "spayed" not "spade". No one wants to shove a gardening tool into your dog's cloaca.

2) Don't fucking handle the puppies! They aren't even a week old, you stupid monkey! You are not supposed to handle infant animals until their eggteeth fall off unless you a are a vet.

3) Those pictures suck.

That is all.
>> Anonymous
>>176535

Well, cynical about the show dog world, yeah.

I don't hunt, but the traits hunters look for require a healthy, intelligent, even-tempered dog. If you've known labs, the difference between a lab bred as a hunting dog and your average stupid, unhealthy, neurotic lab from a less work-oriented breeder is like night and day.

Show breeders go for a lot of bizarre, pretty-but-useless traits that can cause health problems - like the flat faces on Persian cats that cause breathing difficulty. And they often forget about temperament and intelligence completely.

Breeders seeking work ability have to look for traits that actually make the dog healthy and functional, instead of the arbitrary bullshit show breeders froth over. If you're gonna be bringing more puppies into the world, I vastly prefer a breeder who's looking to preserve practical traits, instead of a show breeder who forgets that stuff because they're too busy wanking about unacceptable coat colors.
>> Anonymous
>>176571
Dogs are lizards now? huh. And yes, I know they suck. as I said earlier. No camera. Just phone camera. Which is old and shitty.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>176577
Stop posting, you're just showing how stupid you are. No one said dogs are lizards.

As for breeders.. responsible, good breeders DO work their dogs and breed for temperament as well as conformity. If you only breed for 'hunting traits', then you are not breeding responsibly either. Those that breed solely for colour and conformation are not good breeders either.
>> Anonymous
>>176579
ok right, I believe you bitter.

we're not breeding her specifically for her hunting traits, they're just a plus. beh, I posted this earlier. I'm not explaining it again.
>> Anonymous
>>176579

What do you think are hunting traits? What makes breeding for hunting traits irresponsible?
>> Anonymous
>>176556

I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone who bred a dog (or rather accidentally bred a dog) and obviously has no idea what the fuck they're doing. Let me go point by point here:

You put a dog in heat in your backyard, then left her unattended. What did you think was going to happen? Especially when you are fully aware that an intact male lived in the area. Forget a 7 foot fence, male dogs clear razor wire to get to a ready female. You're simply lucky it was another lab and you just didn't just add to population of big black lab mixes no one wants.

"Mellowing out" is one of the most retarded excuses I've ever heard to breed a dog. It simply doesn't work that way.

Speaking of, since you had already decided to breed the dog, why didn't you go buy a fucking book about it? Or even visit a website slightly more reliable then 4chan? If someone gets pregnant, they don't just throw up their hand and hope at all goes alright. They do some goddamn research. Then you wouldn't be asking how long your dog's going to bleed out her privets.

Being "a pretty good bird hunter" does not justify breeding your dog. Has she or her parents ever competed in field trials? Do they have any titles? Sorry, but "pretty good bird dogs" are a dime a dozen, because just about any lab, or even some lab mixes, will retrieve without much prompt. It takes an exceptional dog and a lot of training to do it well, though. That's why they have field trials in the first place.
>> Anonymous
>>176586

con't

I could go on, but honestly, the points are all null and void now, because the puppies are already here. You having them sign a contract that they won't dump them at the pound is pointless. There are actually far worse places you can dump a dog, and people often do. My advice to write up a contract that states should the dog not work out for any reason, at any time, it will be returned to you. That prevents them from falling into that dreaded 'free to good home' lot later down the road. Also add a spay and neuter clause to the contract stating that they do not get the puppy's paperwork until they present proof that the dog has been altered. That way we won't repeat this cycle.

And please follow through with getting mom spayed. Having puppies doesn't do her any good, it just puts her risk for cancer other illnesses and causes undue stress.
>> Anonymous
>>176579

Yes, of course good, responsible breeders look for temperament and working quality. That's what makes them good, responsible breeders. It's a tautology. I'm saying that most breeders who aim for show-quality dogs are not good, responsible breeders.

What do you think are hunting traits? What makes breeding for hunting traits irresponsible?
>> Anonymous
>>176589

If you are a responsible breeder who breeds for showing, then you understand that temperament is as much a part of confirmation as coat quality or eye color. Breed standards are created for a purpose, to describe the ideal specimen of that breed. That includes both appearance and personality. It is not an arbitrary list of things that look pretty.

Have you even read the Labrador breed standard? Have you ever been to a confirmation show or field trial and talked to the breeders, owners, and handlers who dedicate their lives to bettering these breeds? Then you don't know what the hell your doing.
>> Anonymous
Jesus Christ, what's wrong with someone wanting their dog to have puppies? The OP said they planned on it, but it happened earlier than they wanted. So fucking what? And if you go and get every single puppy ever born spayed or neutered, dogs are going to become extinct. Birthing creates risks for every species. That doesn't stop anyone from adding to their population.
>> Anonymous
>>176586
Actually we DIDN'T know there was an intact male in the area. (we don't know every person in my subdivision.) And my parents did research, I however didn't. Got it? No one was home, so I asked here because there are some intelligent people here that know more about this than I do.

And the dogs that I've know have mellowed out after having puppies. She has already. And If I must repeat it again. We bred her for companion dogs, as part of an agreement with her breeder, and to mellow her out. Her hunting traits are just a plus, being that we'll have a better time of finding them a good home.

And who cares about trials? only a complete jackass judges the worth of a dog by if they compete in something or not.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>176589
Breeding any animal solely to produce a specific trait is irresponsible.

If you just want yellow dogs, and breed any yellow dog to any other yellow dog, thats irresponsible.

If you breed any dog that can carry a bird to another dog that can carry a bird, thats irresponsible.

A good breeder will take everything into consideration before letting their dogs mate.

Say they have a great bitch with beautiful colour and behaves great in the field. BUT she is a bit stocky and holds her ears funny. A good breeder will find a dog that has good ears and shape, but might not have such a great colour or might be a little skittish. Hopefully the two will balance out one another's faults, and the puppies will be great. if they dont, then those dogs are not bred to one another, and possibly are not bred from at all.

There is a lot to responsible breeding other than "You have a girl dog and you have a boy dog, lets make puppies"
>> Anonymous
>>176587
That actually is a better idea. Thank you. and of course we're going to follow through with the spaying. we only wanted her to have one litter.
>> Anonymous
>>176586
>>176571
>>176535
>>176443

Geez, I'm all for animal welfare and neutering your pets, but you guys remind me of the kind of neurotic parents who walk up to complete strangers out with their kids and start lecturing them about how giving a cupcake to your toddler means you're a bad parent whose kid will die of diabetes.

Drive-by self-righteousness doesn't accomplish anything except making serious spay-and-neuter advocates' jobs harder by making people assume we're all assholes like you. But, hey, as long as you got to feel superior to a total stranger on the internet, right?

To the OP: Sorry about all the jackass responses. Next time I suggest you just refuse to explain why you did it so nobody has a chance to argue.
>> Anonymous
>>176598
Thanks I'll take that into consideration. Yay for me being a dumb ass and thinking /an/ would understand.

I want to thank those of you who where actually helpful and not being a complete jackass.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>176593
No one wants every dog to be sterilized. Saying that it will destroy the species is an incredibly ignorant statement. With selective breeding, you can improve the entire species, selective breeding is GOOD when done correctly. Accidental breedings suck.

>>176594
The dog's breeder wanted you to breed the dog to a specific male or to put things into consideration. Not allow her to be bred to any random male. Honestly, in your situation, i don't think you did the wrong thing. You could have aborted the puppies (And spayed her in the process), thereby voiding your contract with the breeder. It doesnt sound like that was your thinking, however, and I dont know what a good breeder would do with a mixed breed pup or why she would want one. The reason your dog's breeder wanted to get a litter out of her may be that your dog had great parents and she may be a great brood bitch, even if she isn't conformationally perfect (why she would sell such an animal as a pet, i dont know). Of course, I'm assuming the dog's breeder was a good one and not a puppy mill breeder just wanting dogs.

Take the other anon's advice and get a contract about neutering/returning the dog if they cant take care of it. Something like that SHOULD have been in the one your parents signed when they bought the dog.
>> Anonymous
She's mellow because she just fucking gave birth to ten puppies. That might just wear you out a little bit, don't you think?

Guess what, the world doesn't need more "companion dogs". Every dog that is born, be it mutt, purebred, gun dog or show dog, is a companion dog. If your choosing to breed a dog in a world millions die every year simply because there is no place for them, then you better have a pretty damn good reason. I do apologize for coming off so harsh, but I've seen far too many die or fall into an abusive or neglectful situation because people, probably with good intentions, didn't know what they were doing. I've got to be passionate about something, it might as well be this.
>> Anonymous
Sage for more fags pumping out puppies for no _good_ reason.
>> Anonymous
>>176592

Yes, I have read the AKC's labrador breed standard. Yes, I have talked to people involved in this. Try again.

A lot of the traits selected in breed standards are those that create an effective working dog at whatever the breed was created to do. Some of them are harmless, arbitrary traits selected because they were trendy when the standard was set. Some of them are actually detrimental to the health of the animal. This is why many breed standards are controversial.

>>176596

And there's more to hunting than being able to carry a bird.

A good hunting dog must be athletic and in overall excellent health. It must be calm, alert, intelligent, and obedient. That's in addition to whatever specific hunting tasks the dog is bred for. If it's a labrador, it has to be a very strong swimmer and "soft-mouthed." And so on.

If the bitch's stocky conformation hurts her athletic ability, or if her funny ears make her hearing less sharp, then a hunting breeder will be paying attention to those qualities, because they affect overall hunting ability. And if they don't affect her performance, then the breeder *shouldn't* be paying as much attention to those traits as traits that affect the dog's health and abilities.

Breeding for practical performance means you have to pay attention to ALL of the traits that affect the dog's overall health, abilities and behavior. This is the advantage of worrying about practical standards instead of fretting about how tan and brindle markings are a disqualification for show labs.
>> Bitter Anon !!WJLRQ1cwCyZ
>>176606
Uh yes. Thats what I said. I'm normally a pretty argumentable fellow, but we appear to be agreeing.

They shouldn't be breeding solely for colour. Just as they shouldn't be breeding solely for a "proper" stance, and being a bit stocky isn't a bad thing in a brood dog if they have other traits.

I think the difference is I don't think a breeder that focuses purely on hunting ability (phsyical and mental requirements) is exactly responsible. They should try to create a dog that is "the total package" and can both hunt and be shown. There ARE dogs like that, you know.

Still, I would rather they breed healthy, sound, mentally stable dogs than horrible inbred but pretty looking ones.
>> Anonymous
oh great. more fucking ugly, hyper, disgusting labs. i hate those ugly generic bastard dogs. dont get me started.
>> Anonymous
>>176593
Whem we get to the point there is no more productive dogs, we'll talk about a solution.