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my black moor keeps gulping at the surface of the water and the mystery snail i have sticks at the waterline all the time.

are they going to die if i wait until tomorrow to get a filter of some sort? or is changing half the water every few days going to be ok for them?

they're from wal-mart, so that's an indication of how robust they might be.
>> Anonymous
>>197111

There is not enough oxygen in the water. What you need isn't just a filter, you need one of them aerators to send bubbles of air into the water.
>> Anonymous
is an aerator a good idea in a tiny one-gallon fishbowl? i've read that Moors aren't too good with stuff like that because their eyes are all googly and sensitive.

i suppose a bigger tank would have to be in order.
>> Anonymous
>>197117
Filters will sufficiently aerate water.

>>197120
BLACK MOORS DO NOT FIT IN ONE GALLON FISH BOWLS, GOD DAMN. YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT IF YOU SERIOUSLY STUCK ONE OF THESE FISH INTO A ONE GALLON BOWL. BLACK MOORS WILL GET HUGE. I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU HAVE PLANS TO MOVE THIS THING INTO A SUITABLE TANK, A TEN GALLON AT THE _VERY_ LEAST. ALSO, DID YOU KNOW GOLDFISH LOVE TO EAT SNAILS? DON'T EVEN TRY TO BLAME WAL-MART ON THE HEALTH OF YOUR FISH IF YOU STUCK A BLACK MOOR INTO A ONE GALLON BOWL.

FUCK.
>> Anonymous
No fish can live properly in a fish bowl. Get a real tank and a filter.
>> Anonymous
>>197122

While a one gallon really is extreme for any fish that is not a betta, seriously, will you trolls STOP with the "goldfish grow as big as loaf of bread hur hur" comments? There is absolutely no reason WHY a single black moor needs a 46 litre tank.
>> Anonymous
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>>197120
>> 197111 Anonymous
A 10 - 20 gallon with sufficient filtration would do just fine.
The only fish that should be in a bowl is a betta.
>> Anonymous
>>197131

Have you ever seen large black moors? I worked at a pet store that sold large fancy goldfish. They were shipped to us EASILY the size of a man's fist, and they weren't full grown. Comet goldfish WILL get two feet long, but fancy goldfish grow big and round. So shove it.
>> Anonymous
>>197176

Yeah, there are fish farms out there that overfeed their fish way too much, so they grow bigger quickly and bring the cash in.

On the other hand, do you think THEY keep their fish by themselves in some hugeass lake? The fish are kept like battery hens, and how the average pet store keeps large fish isn't anywhere near what they recommend the buyers either.

A 10 gallon tank for a single black moor that will never be overfed to that size is a hideously expensive joke. OP would be lucky if it attains 2 inches after three years.
>> Anonymous
>>197178

Two inches after three years? Yeah, sure, maybe if you do keep it in a cramped tank and feed nothing but cheap flakes every other day. A goldfish kept in an appropriately sized setup and fed a good diet is going to grow.
>> Anonymous
Yeah, general rule for fancy Goldfish is 20gallons perfish. Yeah they are super small when you get them but they get HUGE. Ive got 2 of them right now that are about the size of a large orange, with big fins hanging off. A fish bowl is not gonna cut it, and if you think it will you are a fucking retard.

>>197111

I can tell from your picture your water is fucking fllthy. Please for the love of god get your fish a proper tank. The other problem is that you tank isnt gonna be cycled either, which may kill your fish.

$30 - 25-30gallon tank
$30 - hang off the edge filter
$10 - air pump
$10 - tubes/airstone
$20 - gravel
$12 - Small sinking pellet goldfish food

flake, and flaoting food is really bad for goldsish. Super dried up food pellets in their gut can give them constipation, and floating problems really easily. The sinking food soaks upw ater, and prevents them from gulping air at the surface.
>> Anonymous
>>197179

You know, I could do the same with roses: give an entire flowerbed to a single rose, overwater and overfertilize it. It will probably grow so monsterously huge, it will cover the entire flowerbed within two years.

Does that make it the norm for a rose?
Does it mean all other rose owners who plant it in a small flowerbed alongside other plants and never fertilize are ABUSING their roses and not allowing them to reach their true potential?

Even if you were to keep the fish by itself in the middle of a big pond, it will not get so large so fast.

I know there is a tendency amongst people who keep fish to think larger size = +dicksize of some sort, but aiming for it to the point of ANTICIPATING the day it will grow larger (which must be really soon!) and buying a large tank and overfeeding it is retarded logic.

Oh, and overfed goldfish will grow large regardless of their enclosure size. How do you think fish breeders work?
>> Anonymous
>>197184

Way to blow this completely out of proportion. Did I say to buy the thing a 100 gallon tank? No. Did I say to get it out of the one gallon bowl? Yes, and I think you even agreed with me. There's no reason for you to get so butthurt over it, chum. There's no reason why a fancy goldfish shouldn't be given at least a ten gallon tank to live in.

Stop saying overfed. I'm talking about APPROPRIATELY fed, that is, a good diet with a high quality staple sinking food like>>197182mentions, plus supplemental foods like oranges for vitamin C and green peas to help combat bloat.

It's nice that you want to be the devil's advocate for people who are going to half-ass caring for a living thing. It's my opinion that everything deserves a good life, especially if you're going to take the responsibility of keeping it.
>> Anonymous
>>197122
A filter will aerate it?
Completey wrong. The nitrite/nitrate process in the filter CONSUMES oxygen.
That's why you need an airpump.
Little bubbles makes fish happy.
>> Anonymous
>>197188
Okay, I'll rephrase. If your water has to fall a little distance from the filter to the rest of the water in the tank, the disturbance will aerate the water at least enough to help.

But yeah, bubble wands and stuff are awesome.
>> Anonymous
Hai guize! I'm here to ask some stupid questions and then get mad when everyone scolds me for being an ass-clown!
>> Anonymous
>>197200
yeah, that's 4chan. You'll fit right in.
>> Anonymous
OP again.

my roommate woke me up about an hour ago, saying "your fish is dying."

i changed all the water out as quickly as i could, and now he's breathing again, but he didn't seem too lively for a while. but he's swimming around again and getting some color back pretty quickly.

but i think the snail is lost.

definitely getting a new tank today.
>> Anonymous
>>197214
ur fish haet u
>> Anonymous
Chlorine should be killnig your fish at this very moment~
>> Anonymous
OP again.

>>197224
no, actually i'm not retarded in that regard. i have a water conditioner that claims to treat the water for chlorine and chloramine "immediately." also says it treats harmful metals and adds electrolytes. even has some sort of skin protectant. of course, the chance that it's all BS and i've been putting straight pH balancers in it is just as likely, but i've only got the label to go on.

his scales are all back to looking black and velvety now, at least.

the snail seems dead, though. it hasn't come out of its shell yet, and it's been about 4 hours...i'm going after class to buy a bigger tank with at least a filter and see if i can't get an aerator while i'm at it.

hopefully my fish isn't brain damaged.
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>>197230
What difference would it make whether your fish is brain damaged or not? It's a FISH.
>> Anonymous
Don't be so quick to assume your snail is dead. While they are pretty sensitive to water quality, it's easy to assume they're dead when they're not.
>> Anonymous
>>197232
i'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and it's still in the bowl, but even when i was changing the water, i was inspecting it and i even poked it on the opening of the shell to get some kind of movement out of it but i got nothing. when i originally got it the first thing it did was stick itself on the side of the bowl. if it hasn't moved by the time i come back with the new tank i'm just gonna let it find a better world beyond the U-bend.
>> Anonymous
how's the fish doing OP?
when you get a tank,
be sure to do 20% water changes once a week
you can do this with a bowl or a siphon (gravel vacuum) i prefer the siphon because you get the gunk out of the gravel while changing the water
good luck with the moor :)
>> Anonymous
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>>197241
no longer dead.
kinda worried about him, though. i don't have very good temperature control on my sink and had to put him in some pretty cold water, though he seems to be fine at the moment.

also, he keeps "coughing." it's like he's sucking really really hard and popping his mouth. and when he does it, little bits of gunk tend to fall from his gills.

the pet store i went to was the closest one i could find on google and when i got there the woman was a bit of a bitch about telling me they were a store "exclusively" for dogs and cats. so i'm going to go out to another one in a bit.
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HAI GUYS THIS NEW TANK WAS AN AWESOME IDEA.

picture of dead fish related.
>> Anonymous
>>197274
Pretty sure your fish was doomed the moment you pointed at the tank in Wal-Mart and said, "this one!" Do a little research into what a fish needs next time... before you bring it home.
>> Anonymous
Never buy Walmart fish. Everyone I got from that hell hole dies a week later.
>> Anonymous
>>197284
Seconded.. the only thing I ever got from walmart that thrived was an african cichlid, and they're all tough as nails anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>197281
honestly i think it might have started dying when i was transferring it from the bowl to the tank. i tried to catch him in a cup and once i finally got him to go in it, he wasn't opening up his mouth and he couldn't breathe i guess. i dunno if he was in shock or what. but after a while he wouldn't even move or respond if i poked him.

but the snail is alive now. wtf.
>> My two cents... Anonymous
>>197178
Actually, there's a fish farm near my house where all the petsupermarkets and walmarts order their fish from and in fact, they're not cramped at all.

The owners have gigantic concrete tanks in the ground. The owners have probably over a hundred of these tanks in the few acres he has in his back yard and each one is probably between 50-100 gallons. He has thousand gallon tanks set up for big Oscars, Kois, Pacus, Arowanas, and the like. There's also a huge filtration system for all the tanks and the water for all the tanks are changed weekly.

Also, OP should do research before getting a pet.
>> Anonymous
>>197286

Didn't have a net?
>> Anonymous
>>197309

i figured that was obvious.
>> Anonymous
>>197286

Your fishy had a heart attack.
>> Anonymous
Advice if you ever decide to get a fish again.

DONT GET IT FROM WALMART, FUCK.

Find a small aquarium shop, where the employees actually know a thing or two about fishkeeping, theyll tell you everything you need to know and then some. Plus theyll usually have a wider variety of fish, tanks, food, and supplies to choose from.
>> Anonymous
>>197500
I think Walmart may have sold a saltwater goby to my mom as a freshwater goby.

It ate the 5 neons she bought at the same time, who were all already fucked up with handicapped tailfins.
Its surviving in the freshwater tank though, so I could be wrong, I'm not really experienced with aquariums. It looked like a purple dragon goby from what I saw from the internet, and the site said it wasn't freshwater...
>> Anonymous
OP FAILS SAGE THIS SHIT AND BE DONE WITH IT
>> Anonymous
>>197570
Violet dragon gobies or whatever aren't saltwater, they do best in brackish water tanks. They get big though, and putting them in a tank with neons? LOL.
>> Anonymous
>>197570
I used to have one of those, creepy looking fucker, and yeah theyre actually freshwater though they do have many cousins who are saltwater. However, Dragon Gobys do require a bit of salt in their tanks rather than other fish where it's just optional.

Though walmart wouldn't tell you that, they probably had them labeled as Eels or Dinosaur Eels. Fucking retards.
>> Anonymous
That reminds me of something else about Walmart.

They fucking sell PACUS, and have them labeled as growing up to 10 inches max and have them all cramped into a small, 5 gallon at most, tank. I wish I had the spare change to buy them all and give them to some fish shop to take better care of them.

They even threw a couple Gouramis in with the Pacus. The poor Gouramis were finless.
>> Anonymous
To clear somethings up, the reason why breeders and most pet stores can keep so many gold fish or other fish for that matter in such small spaces is the amount of water they keep in their sumps/system wide, and how much water they are able to move per hour.
I work with a 3,100 gallon system we have 3 pumps that move 10,000+ gph.
We also have to reduce the temp. flowing into the gold fish, not only cause they like it cooler also to allow air to react with the water .
Keep in mind the whole system set up to breed and sale fish is a temporary habitat.
Most pet stores try to sell any given fish before 2 months(to keep maintenance prices low and make a profit).


So, just because you see 30+ goldfish 4" in a 20 gallon tank doesn't mean 1 can live in a 1 gallon bowl.
However a black moor(depending on it's size already) can live a full life in a 5 gallon tank, a filter is always a plus. But, as long as there is a bubbler of some sore, and frequent water changes are done weekly it will live just fine.

The best stores to shop for any fish are local non-corporate owned, with well knowledge staff.
>> Anonymous
>>197668P.s. I was kinda drunk when I wrote this.
>> Anonymous
>>197668
seconded.