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So how do creationists explain this?
>> Anonymous
God, mysterious ways, etc.

Or the work of Satan.
>> Anonymous
Cow looks a lot like a human during the 2nd development.

Might explain the way my ex-gf looked.

BADUM-CHING!
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I'm not a creationist, but if you're implying that the stages of embryo growth reflect evolution, there are better forms of proof out there. Of course most animal embryos look the same, because we all have the same body parts- eyes, legs, spine, ears, a separation between head and body... I mean, what would a creationist think they should look like? But if I showed you the embryo of an invertebrate or a plant, there isn't as much resemblance, is there.
>> Anonymous
I'm a catholic, but I believe in evolution...
>> Anonymous
ontology recapitulates phylogeny lol

All most serizbuzines biologists reject the original theory, that the embryonic development of "higher" life forms proceeds through stages functionally equivalent to adults of its earlier evolutionary history. We don't think this anymore, it's crap . Is there something to it, yes. But do we, as humans, pass thourgh an embryonic stage of life that is equivilent to a fish no. Also that pic would be called grossly misconstrued according to modern EvoBios
>> Anonymous
Wait, you seem to be suggesting that all vertebrates develop along a similar skeletal framework. SAY IT AIN'T SO :O
>> Anonymous
>>309555
Truth.

Also, a remedial knowledge of geology and genetics is also helpful to destroy a creationist in a debate.
>> Anonymous
None of those creatures in that image, save for the one on the right, is God's creature. That's all you need to know. We are a higher lifeform and they are not.
>> Anonymous
>>309555
"almost all" I mean

Also Catholic evolutionary biologist in training here .
Catholics are cool with evolution, why would that need to be stated? The Pope and all the Cardinals that matter and are not bat shit crazy have stated this...big bang, evo, carbon dating, hell Catholic schools are some of the best places to get scientific and evolutionary educations...becuase we don't fuck around...we teach the real scientific thesis of evolution, not some Baptist bull shit and there is no public school coddling of creationist bull shit...Popes have agreed with Evo, end of story, so we teach it by book.

In my public school in 8th grade more than two-thirds of the class raised their hand in science class when asked if they disagreed with evolution...when I went to a catholic high school every fucking one of us agreed with evolution, except for one or two, who where told to STFU and quickly got put in line by the teacher/priest. I loved it.
>> Anonymous
>>309562
wow, so a Catholic that does not believe in evolution is actually disagreeing with the pope?
>> Anonymous
>>309560

You're not a higher lifeform. You're an arrogant prick who thinks being the lucky species that survived long enough to form social structure and recorded language makes you special.

We're all god's creatures, in the sense that god is the primordial life-force that gave rise to all life and consciousness as we know them. Animals are NO DIFFERENT from us, we aren't 'higher' in any sense except that we had just enough of an intellectual advantage to kill everything else that even reeked of forming society and language.

The god you worship in the bible is not God. It's a being--probably nothing more exciting than a human--who had social and political agendas and used religion to accomplish them. If you worship him you will share in his fate.

Wake up and abandon your disgusting racist ideas, animals are the same type of life as we are.
>> Anonymous
>>309567
>trolled
>> Anonymous
>>309559

Remedial knowledge of the bible can do this as well. It contains all the information you need to reach a reasonable and adult conclusion that, despite containing tons of great advice and excellent parables, allegories, and methaphorical nuggets of wisdom, it frequently says things that no reasonable and respectful adult should take as truth.

As a former christian and former catholic (and former seventh day adventist, most recently--they were pretty close to the true spirit of christianity) I raised these questions to my spiritual 'elders' and met only with ridicule and anger for my valid questions.

Anything meant to be taken at face value, which does not invite questioning and scrutiny, is probably full of lies. The truth always stands up to EVERY form of scrutiny--the bible does not. It needs pricks in 'holy raiment' to defend it because its concepts are often evil and flawed and direct the believer into living a dishonest and compassionless, arrogant lifestyle.

Condescension and ignorance of potential truths are only the beginning.
>> Anonymous
>>309570

A brief study of poe's law will show you that it's pointless to question whether or not someone is a troll. For every troll that posts, there are a handful of people who ACTUALLY believe what the troll posted. It's not my job to worry if he's serious or not, and there's nothing clever or original or interesting about going on an anonymous message board and secretly espousing ideas you don't really believe. I'm going to take what you say at face value because I don't know you and I couldn't possibly know if you're serious or not.

Well, I'm serious. You may think you trolled me but I respond to 20+ posts of this nature every day, knowing that 3\4 of them are trolls. Guess what? If ONE fundamentalist christian reads my response and opens their eyes a millimeter wider because of it, I wasn't trolled. Yeah, the chances are infinitessimal, but still I try. Go grow a dick instead of trying to troll, because you don't even have the skill to successfully troll anyone (I accomplished my goal regardless).
>> Juba, The Baghdad Sniper !1EVr3uyPJI
They claim it's doctored.
>> Anonymous
>>309567,
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>>309555
>>309562
here,

I find your rant rather flawed
Corals, being animals, are also vastly different from us.

>>We had just enough of an intellectual advantage to kill everything else that even reeked of forming society and language.

This implies that our place as the greatest civilization on Earth was at the expense of all the other Homos and neaderthals, which we explicitly hunted down and exterminated, also bees, ants, meerkats, apes, and that without this direct and deadly intervention then they would be right here beside us today.
>> Anonymous
>>309574
I don't have the skill to successfully troll anyone? I just trolled you. That is a success.
>> Anonymous
>>309579

You did not. I'm sorry. You'll have to stroke your boner over something else, kid. I've been trolled by people with a few brain cells more than you. Re-read my evaluation of your "trolling": You're a kid (I don't care how old you are) pretending to be something you're not, to get a rise out of people who couldn't possibly know if you're serious or not.

If you walk down Fundy Boulevard screaming "I am a faggot and like cocks" you're going to get an ass-beating and then get lynched, and if you think saying "I was only kidding" or screaming and crying into your belly will save you, you're wrong. The world doesn't care what you meant--only what you presented.

Troll. Psshh. You need a fucking brain to troll. There have been legendary trolls in my time, you're a fucking crumb.
>> Anonymous
>>309550

then you aren't catholic.
>> Anonymous
>>309540
>So how do creationists explain this?
It's a drawing.
>> Anonymous
>>309613

already proven wrong in thread.
>> Anonymous
If i remember correctly, it was actually a catholic clergyman who started alot of the research into the big bang theory.
>> Anonymous
evolution is a lie. dinosaurs are a lie. can't believe you atheists believe in such nonsense.
>> Anonymous
>>309604

Troll or not, he has succeeded in making you act like a faggot.
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How does creationist know what legless lizards is?
>> Anonymous
>>309613
troll I know, but,

just to add to what 309641 was saying,

The "Father of Genetics" Mendel, was a Catholic priest. We not only believe this shit we fucking invented it.

Inb4 evolution is a lie invented by The Great Whore to replace their ridiculous teachings so that they regain credibility and once again shall rule the New Earth Holy Roamn Empire.

Also Darwin him fucking self was an avid believer who at one point thought of becoming a member of the English clergy, and did not want or think that his work should refute God. He was a Christian until his daughter died, and was agnostic after that.

That said, most scientists are athiest, but scientists that believe in god have the most beautiful quotations, that has to count for soemhing lol
>> Anonymous
>>309575
They indeed do. What they always tend to miss is that none of the relevant details in the picture are fake, the embryological gill slits included.

I really wish they'd stop using these drawings based on Haeckel when photos or more accurate drawings could be used to show the same thing and it would rob creationists one of their favourite arguments.
>> Anonymous
>>309575

That's not so much a creationist claim as well-known fact.
>> yeahumno antifag
it was proven wrong in the dude's lifetime. Hakael was convicted of fraud at his own univirsity.
>> Anonymous
>>309880
But lamarckism makes so much sense :(
>> Anonymous
>>309880
No, he didn't. Haeckel was never convicted of fraud anywhere. There is not even any evidence he was ever tried. That's one of the most widely believed and circulated creationist lies.

His theory was bullshit, though.
>> Anonymous
>>309882

lol, me and my friend used to laugh for hours about Lamarck. And he's not even into biology.
>> Anonymous
>>309613

LOL seconded.
>> Anonymous
>>309885
Except many of the early vestiges of Lamarck's theory was in Darwin's theory such as the adaptation of organisms to their enviroment and that heredity was the component of the change, it's just that he was wrong about the exact mechanisms of that change.
>> Anonymous
>>309885

You know, anybody laughing at Lamarck should read up on epigenesis. Inheriting acquired characteristics is less ridiculous than it sounds, even though it doesn't happen the way Lamarck envisioned.
>> Anonymous
>>309560
Why are you on /an/?
>> Anonymous
>>309604
I agree with this. Especially when I'm on this board, I will choose to reply to someone who's not being serious because I know there are people reading who might actually think what the troll posted, and I'm really talking to them.
>> Anonymous
people have to remember that the bible was written to explain how natural events occur in an age when scinece was in it's infancy, you couldn't explain natural disasters or origin of all life so through verbal story telling ideas were formed and eventually helped to make genesis. Then during the middle ages the churches power was greatley decreased they lost land and money to governments. The church began preaching the fire and brimstone to scare people to gain wealth and power back this coupled with the black plague made a huge increase in church attendance. This was also the period when alot of changes were made to the bible, passages and books were added and taken due to different interpretations and manipulation to gain attendance. Now adays most christians are more openminded to ideas like evolution etc, opposition is mainly from branches like the Baptists and the Protestants who have very social roots deep in christianity which is ironic since they were a splinter group originally because they disaggreed with the Catholic Bible and it's teachings.

Thats not to say christians are the only one who approves creationism, there are jewish, muslim and other religions that support creationism as well.
>> Anonymous
It must be so weird to live somewhere where this debate is still happening. In many developed countries belief in evolution is at about 75-85%, and among those educated in the last couple of decades it is even higher. The religious nuts dont get much of a look in here, thankfully.
>> Anonymous
>>309923
it only comes up once in a while and the major creationist supporters are in the south and midwest where town systems are spread apart so school systems there are weaker. but thats not to say many european nations dont have that problem as well some people in he United Kingdom just proposed teaching creationism with evolution in their schools.
>> Anonymous
>>309923
I had a guy in my Geology class that was a Creationists. I didn't get in to an argument with him about it because there was no way I would change his mind.
>> Anonymous
As a Mormon (and to clarify, Mormon's are Christians) I am a Creationist, and let me say that I see nothing wrong with the fact that the embryos are similar. Creationism and evolution can go hand in hand, I honestly don't see why people can't realize this.

Just because God, or rather Christ, created everything on this earth (and before you start flaming, just know I realize this is my opinion) doesn't mean they can't continue to evolve beyond their original form.
>> Anonymous
>>309946
"Created perfectly?"
>> Anonymous
>>309928
A guy at work was a super conservative creationist. Not unrelated: he was homeschooled until he was 14 because his mom didn't want public school tainting him. His described his homeschooling experience as "watching star wars a lot and never being taught anything" I avoided arguing about evolution with him, because even though he always tried to start the argument, it would always just end with him getting cranky and refusing to chat about anything for a number of days.
>> Anonymous
>>309540
The evolutionary process's revealed by Darwin have been used against humanity ever since its postulation.Hitler,being a prime example of using this as a means to exterminate a lesser developed form of human than his own race,or so supposed,this is only used by egotistical members to gratify their brutal mentality towards fellow men to gain power and control where they themselves feel insignificant.If this theory was written in the literature of the creationists bible it too could have been used by the fallen angels of the forth coming ages.The idea of one human being more evolutioned than another in itself is against the preachings of the good book.It is without a doubt,that there is a relationship between all life on our planet,and evidence of other animals that have roamed and become extinct from fossil evidence,but there are no fossil records of a evolutionary process so to speak of.The intermediary changes of one species becoming another are not at all in any fossil form whatsoever.Only slight variations within a species is noted.
>> Anonymous
>>309953
Well, there are home-schooled creationists that desperately try to shut out the truth for the rest of their life to avoid realizing they were lied to all their childhood, and then there are home-schooled creationists that actually face the truth, stop being creationists, and hate their lying scumbag parents for the rest of their life. I've met both kinds.

Which brings up the question: doesn't anybody care what homeschoolers fill their kids' heads with?
>> Anonymous
>>309951

This is where we have to remember that the Bible has been altered...there are many parts that have been taken out as well as mistranslations, but we won't get too much into that.

Honestly I see the statement "created perfectly" as meaning we have the potential to become perfect...after all we can't truly be perfect until we become gods, our whole goal in life is to work towards perfection, so who's to say that physical traits cannot change also?

Just remember even though I'm stating it as if it were fact this is just my opinion so don't take offense.
>> Anonymous
309951, not to flame or troll, I was just genuinely interested in your synthesis
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>>309956
Guess what, Hitler was a creationist himself and Darwin's Origin of the Species was a banned book in nazi Germany. God With Us, and all that...
>> Anonymous
Also, I may have been a bit confusing. By physical traits changing I am in no way saying that humans years down the road will be more developed than us and those humans previous to us were not less developed...I'm stating this in the context that evolution is purely mutation of genes.

When I said that creationism and evolution can go hand in hand I never meant to imply that humans "evolved" past the state that Adam and Eve were created in. Other species can evolve, and have over millions of years, but getting back to the phrase "created perfectly," we could also use that to explain why humans have not changed because they've had no reason to.
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>>309965
Be a nice little creationist and tell us, which of these skulls belong to humans and which ones are apes. Because since humans have never evolved, there can't possibly be any ape-men in the fossil record, right?
>> Anonymous
>>309965

Except that falls apart in the end bacause humans have evolved past whatever creation took place. It's a good start, but no where near finished.

Basically to have them go together you need to have both thoughts in your head, knowing that we all evolved over time, but having faith in a greater power. Leave creation out of it and accept that We evolved from previous species, and have a faith in whatever you please.
>> Anonymous
And if we really want to get into it...we've had many instances of bones being mixed up in various skeletal finds, so who's to say that what we know as a neanderthal (sp?) ever even existed? Furthermore, even if it did exist, what evidence is there to suggest that we (humans) evolved from an earlier state such as that? The study of fossils and ancient creatures as we know it is purely guess work based off of the knowledge we currently have....so in reality our ideas about what dinosaurs, and others, looked like could be completely wrong....
>> Anonymous
>>309970
>>who's to say that what we know as a neanderthal (sp?) ever even existed?

The scientists who've studying those bones for decades. Also, neaderthal DNA has been sequenced and it's clearly different from human DNA. Different DNA, different species.

>>what evidence is there to suggest that we (humans) evolved from an earlier state such as that?

Let's see, there's the fossils, then there's the endogenous retroviruses we share with chimpanzees and other apes, there's the cytochrome c sequence, then there's the fact that we have broken genes for making stuff such as vitamin C and egg yolk in our genome... so, pretty much everything you could possibly hope for.

>>so in reality our ideas about what dinosaurs, and others, looked like could be completely wrong

And we could have been created last thursday with all our memories of a fake past, and we'd never know. Only, there's nothing to suggest that'd be the way things really are.
>> Anonymous
>>309969

And where's the proof that we have evolved past the creation state? As I just stated there's the possibility of bones being mixed up with other skeletal structures, archaeologists have been known to piece structures together wrong, and then there's the fact that all the skulls in that pic could either be from apes, or in the cases of the ones that appear more similar to human skulls...haven't you ever seen a person born with physical defects?
>> Anonymous
>>309974
>>there's the possibility of bones being mixed up with other skeletal structures

That just happen to be laying there every time they dig in layers of certain age and in certain areas? Over and over and over again, they are always buried together in a way they could be mixed up? Do you even realize we have found more than 400 individuals of neaderthals alone?

>>archaeologists have been known to piece structures together wrong

Not when they have near-complete skeletons in a single location with no "extra" bones laying about. Also, you should be thinking of paleontologists or paleoanthropologists, archeologists study modern human remains.


>> haven't you ever seen a person born with physical defects?

I'm guessing you haven't, if you think there is a single case of deformity that would produce the kinds of skulls posted earlier in this thread. Not to mention tens or even hundreds of skulls with varying morphology in all the bones of the skulls and even in the brain endocast.

You're so pitifully grasping at straws you must be aware of it yourself. Just give up already.
>> Anonymous
Lol, "grasping at straws," not quite, I just happen to have very little care for the study of ancient bones because honestly I can't see how someone could have the desire to believe they evolved from a monkey, or its ancient equivalent. Sorry if I got my terminology wrong there and thank you for correcting me.

I already stated that it's easily possible for neanderthals to have existed...as well as the other earlier forms which are attributed as being our early ancestors. But honestly you took that statement completely out of its context...I never specified any one species I was merely stating the fact that bone structures have been mixed up so who's to say that some of the "evolutionary" in-between stages are even real?

And I'm sorry to say but many of those skulls are easily defects from a modern human...that said, animals are born with some pretty odd defects too.

Frankly, I see where you're going with your counterpoints but there's just no proof, there are evidences, but there are just as many evidences to suggest alternatives to commonly accepted evolution theory.....on the flip side there is no proof that religion has the right answers, but just as with science there is evidence.

Everything I've said is opinion, I've repeated that with every post of mine...if you have your own opinion that's fine.
>> Anonymous
'Nother Catholic evolutionist, here.

It's easy for Christianity and evolution to go hand in hand. I really don't see why it needs any explanation, but unfortunately we have a bunch of crazy-ass Protestant fucking morons who take the "Good Book" as a literal account of the history of mankind and disregard every scientific discovery as the work of Satan.

God created everything. Perhaps he created the big bang, or was created during the big bang. Or perhaps we created God, and through our thoughts and prayers brought him into existence. Either way, does it really make a big difference?

If God created the heavens and earth, through trillions of years of forming the universe, or our solar system, or whatever, and then he went on to have a hand in creating life, why couldn't he have a hand in the evolution of species as well?

I have no problem believing God was right there helping apes evolve into neanderthals and homo erectus, the same way I have no problem believing God "created" archeopterix and helped dinosaurs evolve into birds.

Oh, and for the anons wondering about the Catholic church's support of evolution, etc.... A lot of people seem to think Christianity is what brought Europe into the Dark Ages. Those people need to go back to history class and reread the chapter about the barbarian tribes of the north all but destroying the Roman civilization. That loss of knowledge when the Roman Empire collapsed is what caused the Dark Ages, not the rise of Christianity. In fact, up until the Renaissance (and even through then) much of the scientific research we take advantage of today was done by monks. For example I believe a lot of our basic understanding of plant biology comes from the research and records that monks did in their gardens. Many of the greatest scientists of those decades were clergymen or educated in the church.
>> Anonymous
I have never understood Christians- or other religious people- who proclaim themselves to be in awe of God's work and then completely and utterly refuse to study it or attempt to understand it. When handed marvellous tools they sit there in the face of compelling evidence and cling to their ignorance, and call this ignorance 'faith'. You'd think that someone who truly loves God would spend a lifetime studying His works and attempting to understand them.
>> Anonymous
>>309985I can't see how someone could have the desire to believe they evolved

Found the problem. You don't see any point to evolutionism; hence you do not believe in it.

>but there's just no proof, there are evidences, but there are just as many evidences to suggest alternatives to commonly accepted evolution theory

There is evidence to suggest changes to commonly accepted evolutionary theory, which itself has been changing ever since Darwin wrote Origin of the Species, but little evidence for contrary alternatives.
>> Anonymous
>>309989A lot of people seem to think Christianity is what brought Europe into the Dark Ages. Those people need to go back to history class and reread the chapter about the barbarian tribes of the north all but destroying the Roman civilization. That loss of knowledge when the Roman Empire collapsed is what caused the Dark Ages, not the rise of Christianity.

Eh... the destruction of the library at Alexandria was far more damaging to "civilized" knowledge than the Fall of Rome, and the intermixing of Germanic, Latin and Celtic peoples was far more pervasive then you imply.

Rome was destroyed from within. Continual power squabbles and corruption broke it apart as a state. The last few effective Western powers - such as Stilicho and Aetius - were actually of barbarian stock and/or education.

While the loss of written historical records and court poetry for 2 centuries was certainly bad, by the end the Western Roman Empire was about as poorly organized militarily, politically, and economically as the barbarians themselves, due to centuries of partrician and imperial resistance to any kind of meaningful land or political reform.

But like you said, Christianity wasn't an ultimate cause; the religious reforms of Constantine merely moved the centers of learning from the pagan temples to the monasteries.
>> Anonymous
Wow, I don't visit here often but I'm sorta astounded at the amount of people who are interested in animals & nature, but are so uneducated when it comes to it's foundations.

Fact: people who try to disprove evolution are just terribly trying to defend their world view because it keeps them comfortable.
No rational person who doesn't just believe w/e his parents told him to would ever believe any of that magic crap.

But w/e, enjoy
>> Anonymous
read revelations and you will notice similarities between the present times and the coming of a new age.this was written almost 2000 years ago by angel inspired men that were servants to the creator.even if you doubt what is written,which is expected of all nations leaders,the LORD will have his vengeance and most of human life will live in purgatory for a thousand years.
200 mmillion crossing the euphrates to rid the middle east of occupying forces,also written 2000 years ago ,is soon to take place. your faith in nature and its laws are going to be judged.
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>>309541
>>309550
>>309560
>>309562
>>309567
>>309571
>>309650
>>309696
>>309946
>>309953
>>309989

God doesn't exist.

/thread

you lose.
>> Anonymous
>>310060
Teenage angst detected.
>> Anonymous
>>310052
I lol'd.
>> Anonymous
>>309567
>your disgusting racist ideas
animals are not a diffrent race but species
>> Anonymous
>>310052
The LORD forbids spaces after commas
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They don't have to explain it, they have faith [spoiler] fear of knowledge [/spoiler]
>> Anonymous
>>309560

Whose are they then? Vishnu's?
>> Anonymous
>>309956
oh hey there Godwin
>> Anonymous
>>310026
Find somebody that disbelieves evo in here?

Even Mormon boy said he is an [Evolutionary Creationist]. I guess you would call that intelligent design, blind watch maker, whatever

He might not know his theory and jargon like we would like but lay off, just because there is not a legitimate person to ridicule in this thread doesn't mean we should pile on the guy that has his head on pretty straight but just doesn't have a bio degree

nb4 lol layperson and samefag

Also in regard to human evolution I am loath to repeat much of it due to grand recreations from such pitiful evidence. Many scientists feel the same way. For supposedly being an incredulous community, the rapid and widespread acceptance of fragments that can still possibly fall within the realm of variability of extant man is just blah. Granted I have little interest in the area and it has been a decade or so since college though so I'd happiily take a quick refresher course....actually a quick wiki looks like debate, debate, debate, skepticism, debate, no peer review, debate, within modern variability, debate...woot, reminds me of taxonomists trying their so very hardest to fabricate enough variability to get their name in latin on something.
>> Anonymous
>>309555
actually at 7 weeks we have pharyngeal pouches which are indistinguishable from fish gills
>> Anonymous
>>310268
Lol, what 'Mormans' will not tell most people is that Joseph Smith (Founder) and his companions believed that a human soul will evolve into a god when their soul leaves their mortal body.
>> Anonymous
food for thought: there is no such thing as scientific fact, technically, there can be theories, and true science is all about being able to change ideas and theories when new evidence shows itself.
>> Anonymous
>>309985

Maybe I read it wrong, but you seemed to have implied that Neanderthals are an ancestor of H. Sapiens.

Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens have common ancestors, but modern humans didn't evolve from Neanderthals. They had a different number of chromosomes, but a Neanderthal/Human hybrid was found. It was probably sterile, just like a mix between a horse and a donkey can't have babies because they have a different number of chromosomes.
>> Anonymous
>>310308
>>there is no such thing as scientific fact

LOLFAIL

Fact is a scientific concept. Theory is a larger scientific conglomeration of interpretations of and explanations for those facts. What science does lack is absolute proof or absolute truth, because nothing in the observable universe can ever be proven with 100% certaintly. Only religions (and math) deal with stuff like that.
>> Anonymous
>>309985
>>I just happen to have very little care for the study of ancient bones
No need to state this out loud, your tremendous ignorance of said bones has already proven that. What I don't get is why you think that your ignorance grants you the ability to criticize subjects you don't know enough about?

>>I can't see how someone could have the desire to believe they evolved from a monkey
Nothing to do with desire. This is exactly what's wrong with creationists: they want the world to be pleasant and conform to their desires. And when they run into something like science that doesn't give a fuck if the reality is pleasant or not, they just can't wrap their little egotistical minds around it.

>> bone structures have been mixed up so who's to say that some of the "evolutionary" in-between stages are even real?
Oh, I'm sure there are _some_ misidentified or misreconstruced fossils among the billions (yes, billions) that have been found. How is that relevant to your argument, though? You are basically arguing that if we find a puzzle with some of the pieces missing, and we are able to put that puzzle together so that it forms a logical, consistent image, there is still no reason to believe that those pieces belong to the same puzzle because we didn't find the puzzle intact. And why? Because you don't WANT to believe it's real.

>>many of those skulls are easily defects from a modern human.
Stop pushing this bullshit. Show us these defects that cause modern humans to develop skulls like Homo erectus or Homo habilis etc.

"but there's just no proof, there are evidences"
Science does not deal in "proof", only math does. Does that mean you don't trust the theory of gravity?

"but there are just as many evidences to suggest alternatives to commonly accepted evolution theory"
Show us this evidence, if you really have it. And sorry, mythical epics of bronze-age goat-herders aren't evidence.
>> Anonymous
>>309985
>>I just happen to have very little care for the study of ancient bones
No need to state this out loud, your tremendous ignorance of said bones has already proven that. What I don't get is why you think that your ignorance grants you the ability to criticize subjects you don't know enough about?

>>I can't see how someone could have the desire to believe they evolved from a monkey
Nothing to do with desire. This is exactly what's wrong with creationists: they want the world to be pleasant and conform to their desires. And when they run into something like science that doesn't give a fuck if the reality is pleasant or not, they just can't wrap their little egotistical minds around it.

>> bone structures have been mixed up so who's to say that some of the "evolutionary" in-between stages are even real?
Oh, I'm sure there are _some_ misidentified or misreconstruced fossils among the billions (yes, billions) that have been found. How is that relevant to your argument, though? You are basically arguing that if we find a puzzle with some of the pieces missing, and we are able to put that puzzle together so that it forms a logical, consistent image, there is still no reason to believe that those pieces belong to the same puzzle because we didn't find the puzzle intact. And why? Because you don't WANT to believe it's real.

>>many of those skulls are easily defects from a modern human.
Stop pushing this bullshit. Show us these defects that cause modern humans to develop skulls like Homo erectus or Homo habilis etc.

>>but there's just no proof, there are evidences
Science does not deal in "proof", only math does. Does that mean you don't trust the theory of gravity?

>>but there are just as many evidences to suggest alternatives to commonly accepted evolution theory
Show us this evidence, if you really have it. And sorry, mythical epics of bronze-age goat-herders aren't evidence.
>> Anonymous
>>309550
Same here. I don't see what the big deal is and I don't understand creationists at all. Hell I even have a hard time relating to those intellegent design theorists. My only defrense for what I believe I suppose is that Bibliclly speaking, no where near all of God's or the universes secrets were revealed to man and I don't remeber seeing any promises that they ever have or would be. We have intellect for a reason and I believe it is to understand the world around us. Simple as that. You can believe in God or not from that point based on faith and just be done with it. The protestant biggots and weirdos are just pissed because like a 4channer being trolled, they can't frantically convince everyone around them that their opinion should be respected and revered.
>> Anonymous
>>310350
>100% certaintly. Only religions (and math) deal with stuff like that.

lrn2Gödel
>> Anonymous
>>309567
Your a petafag aren't you.
>> Anonymous
I would actually like to see someone prove evolution instead of showing pictures of two things that look alike.

Its just a theory that has absolutely no observable basis
>> Anonymous
>>310422

Um, there is a new species of frog being born today through the process of evolution, if you didn't fucking sleep under your rock for the past 10 years.

You've never seen the theory of gravitation in action too, why don't you go fucking drop off a cliff since it's just a theory with no observable basis?
>> Anonymous
>>310424
>> there are 20 new species of frog going extinct today

fixed
>> Anonymous
>>310424
lol learn your definitions.
Thats the problem with half the anti-creationists. You guys don't even understand the terms your using.
Evolution:
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.

Evolution isnt something that just happens overnight, it isnt something that happens in a few years. Evolution takes thousands of years AND results in a BRAND NEW SPECIE.
And lemmie tell ya somthing, if you can still interbreed and create offspring, your not different species. And that's the problem with the other half of anti-creationists. You guys don't know what a specie is. You all get together at your conventions and discuss the discovery of a new specie of frog. A frog that had previously been classified as another specie because they were very similar and in fact, the key difference that your claiming to be the basis of a new specie is an additional number of spots or a new shade of green. I'm sick of tired of "scientists" trying to imortify themselves by discovering a 'new specie'.

That means that all dogs, wolves, coyotes, are one specie. But there are those who claim otherwise. They also claim the existence of 26+ specie of human.

Theres a difference between adaptation and evolution. Adaptation is observable. Evolution, is not.

GRAVITY, is observable.
>> Anonymous
>>310457
>Thats the problem with half the anti-creationists. You guys don't even understand the terms your using.

This coming from the person using the word "specie".

>They also claim the existence of 26+ specie of human.

A species is defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring.

>Evolution, is not.

Fortunately its leftovers are. We know them as "fossils".
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
>>310479
>>A species is defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring

Wrong wrong fucking wrong, put down your 8th grade text book and think about that for awhile, or google "the species problem," "ESU", or hell wiki species and scroll down, there are 10 different definitions.

For mocking somebody's terminology you sure do not know yours, you just proved 310457 right idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>310486

Enough internet for you, it's a school night.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6xLaoX1P4
Watch and learn.