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This is my cat Stuart.

He won't come inside anymore, regardless of the delicious canned food I offer him :(. He stays outside the majority of the year, now. I keep a big bowl of cat food and give him water/scraps of meat daily. He is almost 3, fixed, and in good health. I feel it's unsafe for him to be outside all year long. I pick him up from the front porch sometimes, but he only stays inside for 5-10 minutes before he begins meowing at the door to be let back out. I want him to be a safe indoor cat. Help.
>> Anonymous
take away the free outside food.
>> Anonymous
okay, now, i am not a cruel person, i love animals, i really do, and i don't hate cats, i actually like cats, but let me post this as a warning to every owner that lets their cat go outside,
if there is a cat on my property, and it's eating wild animals or stalking wild animals, i trap it,
if it has a collar, i take it to the local animal shelter,
if it is a kitten, i take it to the local animal shelter,
if it is an adult cat, without a collar, i put a bullet in the base of it's brain, 1 shot, a quick clean kill,
if you let your cat outside, it becomes feral, it acquires diseases it wouldn't normally have and it's irresponsible of you as an owner to do this,
i'm sorry if you think i'm a bad person, i'm not, put a collar on your cat and i'll know it's not feral, but a lot of people kill wild cats because they carry diseases
>> Anonymous
I dunno dude try to make in an indoor cat though. Cats kill way to many birds and small native animals..
>> Anonymous
We once had a cat which more and more began to want to be outdoors, he always wanted to get out, he'd come back with dead rodents on the doorstep, wasn't a nice cuddly lap cat.

In the end we had to give him up to someone living on a farm who needed an outdoor cat.
>> Anonymous
>>79935

that's what cats are born to do idiot.
>> Anonymous
>>79931
STFU asshole, you're not helping

Anyway, all my cats have been free to move outside if they wish, and it has worked out fine. True, when they are younger they often stay out all night, perhaps two days in a row, but they've always been nice and the neighbourhood has accepted them willingly. My current cat is old now, and he rarely leaves the house even though he is free to do as he wishes.

My tip to you is take the food indoors, make him come inside to get it. It's a bad idea to have food outside anyway, because of the risk with having rodents or other cats eat it instead.
Take the food inside, and give your cat some human contact. Don't trap him inside.. Good luck, buddy.
>> Anonymous
>>79931

totally assuming you're just a troll from /b/

But any dog or cat without a collar may have lost it's collar or got tangled and had to break out of it

Many pets are microchipped under their skin still.
>> Anonymous
There's an elderly couple that lives down the way from me. They saw me while I was taking a walk with my cat once (he's not leash trained, but he'll follow me around if I'm outside) and they got all pissy because like a lot of old people they have a bird feeder and enjoy watching the birds.

While I can understand why they're upset... dude, deal with it. My cat happens to be higher on the food chain than those birds. If I find my cat with a bird and it's still alive and in good shape, I'll take it away from him and let it go. But otherwise, it's just nature running its course.
>> Anonymous
I have an indoor cat, and it has been outside using one of the three ways:
1) Me walking her, holding her in my hands so she won't run away.
2) Her being in my backyard, on a leash which is secured to something if I'm in the backyard to watch her. She ended up standing on the cactus somehow, I have no idea how/why....
3) Getting out, opening a loose door or pushing over a loose net, she's too cowardly to go far so I only have to go 2-3 meters and when she sees me she'll go back in.

Sometimes she'll claw the door, meaning that she wants to go for a walk.

Here's what I would recommend if you want an indoor cat:
1) Don't let her go outside, common sense, right?
2) Take her out for walks / on a leash when you're in the backyard.
3) Give her some grass on a plate, cats eat grass for nutrients....

All my past cats have been outdoors, but I didn't want this cat to be outdoors because she's not the brightest, extremely cowardly, and there's coyotes not that far from where I live and there have been a few coyote-related cat deaths around here lately.
>> Anonymous
you know what, normally i only set the trap out for cats if i see they're being a problem, but, because you guys are being cunts about this, i'm going to set the trap up, and every cat i get for 1 month, i'm going to kill, collar or not, if it's a kitten, fuck it, and you know why? because you guys are ass wholes
>> Anonymous
>>ass wholes
>> Anonymous
I've had to trap cats in my backyard before, but it was certainly never necessary to KILL it, since the act of being held in a scary cage all night long until I checked the next morning was enough to dissuade it from ever coming into my yard again.

But it is amusing how>>79931justifies his actions by implying he's thinning out disease-carrying animals and/or teaching an owner a valuable lesson (the lesson being that crazy assholes will kill your animals).
>> Anonymous
>>79931


LOL. Delicious copypasta.
>> Anonymous
>>79931

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>> Anonymous
>>79950
Human beings are higher on the food chain than cats. Why shouldn't the old folks be allowed to off it if they see it, under that rationale?
>> Anonymous
>>79925
Bring his food inside, but if he wants to be an outdoor cat, I don't see the point in forcing him to stay inside. Not if you don't live next to a freeway or have coyotes roaming around. Be sure to keep him updated on his shots, though.

My own cat is 17, and she has NEVER wanted to be an indoor cat. We tried to make her, but she was always happier outside. She knows where her food bowl is, and she comes in when she wants (we usually force her to stay in if the weather's bad, and if it's raining, she'll stay in on her own). She sleeps in her catbed, either in the house or on the porch, depending on the weather.

One thing you might want to do is to tell your neighbors not to feed him, no matter how well he does the "OH, GOD I HAVEN'T EATEN IN YEARS FEED ME NOW PLEASE" thing.
>> Anonymous
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>>79943

Yeah, it's what they're born to do, but that doesn't make it healthy for the environment. There are cases of native species driven to endangerment or extinction because of human-introduced predators like cats.

If a house cat isn't a part of the natural ecosystem, letting it act out its natural instincts in the wrong setting just screws your local ecosystem.
>> takai
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If you want your cat to live to an old age, the best thing you can do for him is keep her inside; Cats can become feral or contract diseases like FIV (Feline immunodeficiency virus ) or felV (feline leukemia virus) if they start to roam outside.

Start limiting the food he gets outside and if he's not getting food any where else (i.e. some one else or rodents) he'll start to come in more often. Also if you do decide to keep him in (which is probably the best idea) Keep your windows closed or install screens. Remember to always keep your doors closed and teach your children (if you have any) the importance of keeping the doors closed, too. It may take a few days or a few weeks, but if there are enough interesting things for your cat to play with indoors, he'll come to enjoy being indoors in addition you can walk him on a harness and leash like I do with my friends cat Oki. He might oppose this idea at first, but eventually he’ll get used to it, you can get them at any local pet store. Be sure to provide him with a scratching post and safe toys to bat or carry around or if you have the time or energy you can get him a play mate.
When you start to keep him inside, give him a lot of extra attention and entertainment. At first he may cry, but don't give in! Making a cat who is allowed roam freely outside into an inside cat will take time, effort, and patience.

Good luck!
>> Anonymous
>>80194
I've heard people say it's bets to keep cats indoors, but I don't see why that has to be the case for everyone.
>> takai
it doesn't, i'm not saying its the indefinite answer.
just helps.
some cat's just can't live inside.but... as the person ^ up pointed out; people just dont like cats that run around and will dispose of them.
>> Anonymous
>>80177

Isn't that darwinism?
>> Gunlord !.YMO7aNBcQ
>>80208
Technically, yes, but that doesn't make it good for human beings. Part of the reason we're so successful as a species is that we have shown great ingenuity in thwarting the machinations of natural selection and substituting them with our own.
>> Anonymous
>>80177
As long as there are no laws saying I have to keep my cat indoors, I honestly don't care.
>> Anonymous
>>80169
Because young adult humans are higher on the food chain than slow, weak old bastards.
>> Anonymous
>>80220
Given that this is 4chan, the OP is probably fat, weak, and unable to run more than 5 meters without getting short of breath. Old people are probably more 'fit' than he is.
>> Anonymous
you shouldn't put your penis into them..mayb you won't get deseases fucking freak
>> Anonymous
>>79931
you shouldn't put your dick inside them mayb you won't get deseases fucking freak
>> Anonymous
Your cat was meant to be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I just let my cats roam the neighbourhood as much as they like. They always come back to be fed, lol.
>> Anonymous
Dang coyotes killed my friend's cat.
My cat used to be an outside one. Now I let her yowl at the door to her heart's content, before I squirt her with the water gun when it gets too annoying. But she ain't never going out again. You are the superior being, take control.
>> Anonymous
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Though this discussion has been done to death...

From my own experience the lives of outdoor cats I've had are substantially shorter than indoor.

I live in a far off rural forest so there's not much need to concern myself with neighbors or busy roads, but there are a few things that I think could be useful for you.

For myself we keep our cats in at night at all times because one of ours was lost to coyotes.

At first our cats didn't want to come in at night either, but our way of handling this (which also seriously reduced our raccoon problem) was to only feed them inside, at night. Really gets them in the mood to come in when their bellies know what's inside that door.

Since they've begun sleeping inside at night they get far fewer injuries from fighting other wild cats and raccoons, and in general seem healthier.

Really we'd like it if we could have both cats be indoor cats. But "boys will be boys" and for these cats that means that "boys will piss on everything you own" :)

For most ourdoor cats the rough and tumble lifestyle reduces their life expectency but one of our cats has recently celibrated his 18th birthday, and is still in fine health so you never know.

P.S. Also we do have neighbors who are more "traditional" farmers in their reactions to unwanted pests (poison etc.), and if our boys were prone to rambling far and wide we'd have to condend with that too.

For the collar issue, I think it would be a good idea, especially if it had his rabies vaccination info on it, so whoever runs into your cat knows he's safe. use one of the "safe-t-cat" (or whatever they're called) collars though, which will come off if it gets caught on something and won't strangle your cat.

Hope this is helpful for someone.

If not... no biggie ^^