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Hetrochomotic cats Anonymous
Hello /an/
What can you tell me about breeding Hetrochomotic cats? I think is is a beautiful trait.

Someone dropped a beautiful calico kitten off at my house last year.. When her eyes started changing to their adult color I was so happy to find she's hetrochomotic! I want more hetrochomotic calicos ;_;

I'm pretty sure it's a long shot at getting more hetrochomotic kittens as it's probably a very rare trait. But I'd still like to try. Does hetrochomia(?) mean there's something wrong with the cat?

tl;dr hetrochomotic cats. I want more.
>> Anonymous
OP here.. yeah.. I looked up the correct spelling for it.

Heterochromatic. i r failed shcool
>> Anonymous
It's most common in white cats, as pictured, and is linked to the same genes, so while non-white cats can be heterochromatic, it generally means they had an all-white ancestor at some point.

As far as I know, there's no bad effects from it, outside of the normal chance of deafness for white blue-eyed cats.
>> Anonymous
in b4 desu
>> Anonymous
Op again

>>268579
I wasn't even thinking desu.... but NOW I am.

>>268535
I always thought the whole deafness of white blue eyed cats was a story and not true. That sucks :( Does it mean they're completely deaf or just have bad hearing?
>> Anonymous
>>268761
Heterochromia is a mutation. I don't think you can breed for it on purpose.

Isn't being calico something you can't really breed, as well? I think you may be out of luck,OP.
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Almost all calico cats are female, and female calicos can breed. The calico variant is carried on the two X chromosomes (XX) of female cats. Male calicos only arise when there is a genetic mutation that gives the male an extra X chromosome (XXY). It's important to note here for reference that the presence of any Y chromosome automatically defines that organism as male. This configuration is called a chimera because it's the result of two embroys fusing. These male calicos cannot breed unless they have a neat genetic mutation that gives them an extra Y chromosome atop that (XXYY).

Pic Related - My female calico named Sprinkles. :D
>> Anonymous
Shh. Sprinkles ish sleeping.
>> Anonymous
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Op here.

Got a picture of my calico. Her name is Paz. Short for Topaz. Blue topaz and yellow topaz obviously.
>> Anonymous
>>268767
lol genetics
>> Anonymous
All odd-eyed cats must have some degree of white on them, either piebald or completely white. While there is no gene for heterochromia, there are ways you can increase your chances of getting one. Piebald cats with asymmetrical markings have a higher chance of producing them. Heterochromic cats, of course, have a higher chance of producing them.

It's easier to do if you know how heterochromia works in cats, so here's a link:

http://home.earthlink.net/~featherland/off/white.html

If you're considering breeding odd-eyed cats, why don't you pick up a registered breed and join the cat fancy?

Pic related, it's one of my odd-eyed Sphynx produced by Zashiki, who is also odd-eyed. It's pretty hard to see in this picture due to one eye being aqua (because he's really mink underneath) and the other being blue. Speaking of the kittens fathered by him, it seems to help if the odd-eyed cat is bred to a cat with some white on it, as none of the non-bicolor females he was breed to produced odd-eys. So you should probably get a bicolor mate for her.
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>>268885

Poo, forgot pic.

Also, you wanted all calicos? It's impossible to consistently produce calico kittens due to the way that calico is inherited. Some of your girls will always be solid.

Speaking of that, go do some research on colors. Some people are seriously wrong when it come to how colors are inherited. There's a very good FAQ out there, though I've lost it. Sorry.
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>>268885
You have a sphinx? Good god, they must feel good.
Also, as kittens they look terrifying. Oh no, wait... kohona kittens looks terrifying. Not Sphinx.

I'm done making sense for today.
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Op again.
>>268887
Thats a very pretty mix of colors. I'd only seen blue/yellow and blue/green.

It doesn't HAVE to be calicos.. I just like calicos alot. I love all cats whatever color they are. Seems I get alot of strange cats dumped near my house. I live in a large wooded area right outside of a city. People with soft hearts think it's better to drop the cats off rather than take them to a shelter where they're likely to be put to sleep or leave the somewhere in the city where they'll get ran over. I'm not sure I agree with this. but it has got me a crazy mix of cats and I love them all. like this one for example. I've never SEEN a cat with tiny spots before.

Sorry to get off he subject. :P
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>>268902

There are different textures, but they feel wonderful, due to the fact that there only a very fine layer of hair on their bodies, concentrated at certain points. There are a few that still carry Rex hair, and that feels amazingly soft, too.

From their description, Kohonas remind me of "sticky balds."

I wouldn't say that they are terrifying so much as they make you terrified for them. They look more delicate than normal kittens. Like a baby bird.

Pic related, it's some of the young ones from our very first litter.

>>268903

The coloration in your picture is called a Van. Same gene as mittens and every other white spot, just a different concentration. To get those, both parents must have white-spotting. There's actually a breed called the Turkish Van where all the cats look like that. I hear they have good personalities, and an unusual attraction to water. I don't own any, though.

Also, is that a lilac behind her? You don't see that color very much in Sphynx, so we've been trying to breed that into our lines. I really like it.

I agree, though. All colors of cats are beautiful. My favorite that I have is the cinnamon marble, but I can only imagine how pretty a lilac marble would be.

I don't know if I agree with what those people are doing, either. It's a tricky subject. You could always put an ad out if you had one you couldn't keep, but that doesn't always work.

>>Sorry to get off he subject. :P

Sorry to derail your topic with my Sphynx. :p
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>>268919
That's either Ivy or Smokey back there.

Pic is ivy.
She is very old and the only cat I allow to live inside and out. She's the only cat I own that isn't a drop off.

I have six cats in all. My property is huge... otherwise I wouldn't be able to keep them all.
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This is smokey.. as you can see she's very dirty and never really let me give her a bath like the rest do. so I just... don't. She's the first drop... I'm shocked I was able to just walk outside and get a picture of her as she's usually off in the barly. Both Ivy and Smokey have blue eyes. I couldn't get them to open their eyes long enough to let me snap a picture.

Meh.. as far as subject matter goes.. I don't care.. I'm rather enjoying seeing and hearing about other peoples cats. :3
>> Anonymous
Op.
Hairless cats don't have whiskers? I've always wanted to pet one. I bet they don't do well outside.
>> Paranor
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I don't blame you for wanting more.
There very pretty. But it mainly happens with white cats. Try breeding her with a white cat with heterochromatic eyes?

Also, this calico is mine. Her name is butter, she is chubby.
>> Paranor
Also, on a quick note. One of my best friends has a male heterochromatic cat. He's white and she had been looking for a mate for him.
I doubt you live any where near her area though.
>> Anonymous
>>268977
why, exactly, does your cat have magenta on it?
>> Paranor
>>268985
Well, I was bored one day and messed around with my hair dye. It was the non toxic kind made from herbal extracts. The cat then found it funny to knock it from the counter, all the stuff on the floor was decided to be used on her.
>> OP
Aww.. ^_^

pink kitty is pink. I knew someone who dyed her toy poodles with koolaid. They were so cute walking around.. one was purple and the other was pink.
>> Anonymous
No one has bitched at OP for wanting to be a BYB yet?


Wow, /an/.
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>>268932

I want to say she's a brown lynx point. With mittens. Awww...:3

It was probably her.

>>268944

And I can't tell whether those are ghost tabby markings or actual tabby markings, but she's definitely a blue point. I don't have any of those, but I think they're pretty. :3

>>268959

No, hairless cats don't have whiskers. If they do, they're short and curly. But you shouldn't put hairless cats outside anyway. Their lack of hair means they don't have any protection against the elements or other kitties, and they're sure to get sunburned if you leave them out too long.

>>268977

Magenta's definitely her color.

Pic is Twinkie. She comes from the same litter as the odd-eyed.
>> OP
>>268996
Nope.. because the majority of this thread isn't faggy posters. I say MAJORITY because>>268996is a faggy post. So yeah.

If I WAS going to be breeding her I would bring her inside and suit her to an inside lifestyle. Otherwise I'm going to be getting her spayed like the rest.

I can't bring all the cats in that show up here. I take care of them the best I can without resorting to dumping them somewhere they will surely get euthanized. I'm sure these cats have a good life.. does anyone else agree? Farm cats may not live the longest.. but they have a nice life away from city streets. Ivy is coming up on 12 years old now. That's a pretty good run for an outside cat. Theres not really any dogs or wild animals around here save for the deer... so yeah.

Sorry to get defensive but I'm not some animal crazy hick and I care a great deal about my kitties and I don't want anyone thinking otherwise.
>> Anonymous
>>268977
Is there a proper way to dye a cat without pissing it off?
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I have one fully inside cat named Lucien. He's all black and hard to see in the picture. He does NOT get along well with other cats. I have to put him in the bathroom when I let Ivy in to eat.. otherwise he'll start slapping the hell out of her and growling.

He's also really overweight. I found out he'd been eating the dry catfood I mix in with their canned food. little smartass made me think I had rats for a while.

>>269000
That cat has beutiful eyes.. I wanna pet her =w=

I don't think any of my cats are actual breeds. Most of them arm dropoffs.. I seriously doubt someone would drop a cat they could sell. But Ivy.. I just have no idea what she is. I picked her up from a shelter.. She was already esimated to be a year old and ready for euthanasia from the lack of interest in adult cats. :(
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>>269035
I use a small paint brush some times. Or my index and middle finger, try not to get it on the skin to heavy.
Its pretty easy to do. I used Manic Panic.
>> Anonymous
>>268866

Damn, your kitty looks so bad ass. :D
>> OP
>>269047
Thanks :3
>> Anonymous
Since a lot of you seem to know about coloration patterns, does anybody know the term/genetics for silvery-white cats with faded bronze stripes on their legs and tail? I can't find that described anywhere, but I've seen those same markings in a handful of cats so it must be heritable. Unfortunately, the only animals I've known to look like this were from shelters, so they're probably very mixed and with unknown parentage.

To be more specific, these have all been white or creamy cats with silver-grey agouti on their body, but the legs, tail, and sometimes head have faded brownish stripes that grow darker toward the end of their extremities. I've always thought it was a very attractive, unusual pattern
>> Anonymous
>>268866

David Bowiecat is awesome!
>> Anonymous
David Bowiecat?
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>>269203
Maybe a silver tortoiseshell tabby? I can't really picture what you're describing, but it made me think of silver torbies.

That or maybe a silver tortoiseshell seal point.
>> Anonymous
>>269384
David Bowie has heterochromia
>> Anonymous
>>269391
No, he doesn't.
One pupil is just larger than the other due to injury. His eye will also look another color depending on the light but they are still both blue.
>> Anonymous
>>269398
It's disputed. Truth is, no one really knows except him.
>> Anonymous
I found this.. it may be relevant to your interests

http://www.thecatguide.co.uk/calico_cat_breed.htm
>> Anonymous
>>269045
i think its on manic panics website that has the poodles dyed on it.they look pretty cool
>> Paranor
>>269501
I know, they have a black dog with a bleached chunk with pink dye on there as well.
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>>269203

Like this one?

>>268932

And the one pictured?

Those are seal lynx points. Pointed cats have their pigments concentrated at the coldest points of their body. These are the feet, the tip of the tail, the nose, the ears, and to a much lesser extent, the dorsal stripe. This is caused by a defective, heat sensitive version of the enzyme tyrosinase, which is used it pigment production, hence most of the pigment being at the coldest points.

Lynx and tabby are the same thing, we just say lynx because tabby point sounds kinda dumb. Same thing with seal and black, and flame and red. So it's really just a black/brown/silver tabby with the point gene.

Another interesting thing about points is that there are varying degrees of the mutation. You have two alleles that cause this, the point allele and the sepia allele. A cat with two points alleles makes the lighter point, and a cat with two sepia alleles makes the darker sepia. Since point and sepia are co-dominant, when you mix the two, you get an in-between known as mink.

Hope that's what you're looking for.
>> Anonymous
>>269493

Also, calico is not a cat breed. It's a coloration.

Any breed of cat can be calico as long as black, red, and white-spotting are allowable alleles
>> Anonymous
One more thing.

>>269027

I'm very glad to hear that you seem to know what being a responsible breeder/owner means. Please consider investing in a breed if you have the money, time, and patience. It's a very rewarding experience.

The thing about breeding though is that you're going to experience some things that you aren't going to like. I'm sure you know this, considering the amount of cats you own and the fact that you live near wildlife, but there is a certain mortality rate. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much money you spend, you cannot make an animal live. It's your responsibility to breed healthy, hardy animals, and to know when to let something go.
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>>269533
Thanks, the picture you posted is quite similar to what I meant. I tried looking at descriptive websites, but didn't fully trust that I was making the right identification without pictures. The interaction of the two alleles is very interesting