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What dog?

we've been thinking of getting a dog for a while now and last week we were lucky enough to dog sit for someone and look after their parsons jack russell. I was quite suprised at what a great charecter this dog had so now we are thinking of getting one ourselves. We live in a flat on the 3rd floor so we can't have anything too big, but we do live a min walk from the beach and big country park so walking would be fine. I really like the look of the australian cattle dogs as they arn't quite as small as the parsons, but as they're working dogs they might be a bit more hard work to keep?

just wanting some advice on these 2 breeds of dogs pls.
>> Anonymous
don't get a jack russell if you live in an apartment. they are very hyper dogs and need lots of space to run in all day. also australian cattle dogs are called "cattle" dogs because they were bred to herd cattle and be in a large open plain, so they are also a bad idea for an apartment.

I suggest you use google to look up "good apartment dogs"
>> Anonymous
avoid all dogs that have the term "Terrier" in their name unless you're willing to accept putting extra time in with obedience training and working on impulse control and do a fuck ton of socialization. A lot of them may look cute but every terrier was at one point bred to be a killing machine, even the little dogs, they were rat hunters on farms. Like cats, but would actually accept orders. Research your breed of choice thoroughly before buying.
>> Anonymous
as mentioned it will get decent walks & a good run around. The parsons we looked after certanly didn't run all day the whole time it was in our flat it spent sleeping in its bed. I took it fishing almost every other day for 5 or so hours & it'd be exhusted by the time we'd come home, didn't seem very keen on going out for its evening walk lol
>> Anonymous
Parson Jack Russell Terrier were bred as hunting dogs. Are you going to hunt? If not, do you realize that such a dog might feel a tiny bit bored with "decent walks" and in result start shredding your appartment, barking 24/7 or attacking things/ people for fun?

Also, did you own a dog before? If not, you might not want to start with a terrier and other very active/ high maintenance/ stubborn breeds.

There are so many nice, small companion dogs -- you can easily find a better match.
>> Anonymous
>>251642

we had a dog when i was little but i didn't really have to care for it. can someone suggest some lower maintainence breeds, they'd have to be no smaller than parsons?

>>251618

will take your advice thanks
>> Anonymous
What's the story, Wishbone? What's this you're dreaming up?
Such big imagination on such a little pup.
What's the story, Wishbone? Do you think it's worth a look?
It kinda seems familiar, like a story from a book.
Shake a leg now, Wishbone! Let's wag another tale.
Sniffin' out adventure with Wishbone on the trail.
C'mon, Wishbone!
What's the story, Wishbone?
What's the story, Wishbone?
What's the story, Wishbone?
What's the story, Wishbone?
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>>251679
just STFU

>>251677
I guess you don't want to hear "Chihuahua, Pug or Mini Poodle"... how about Shelties or Kromfohrlander? You can check this page for some more breeds, but be sure to read some respective temperament descriptions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companion_dog
>> Anonymous
>>I guess you don't want to hear "Chihuahua, Pug or Mini Poodle"
your right about that.

>>251700
thanks
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i dont know if i would recomend an Australian cattle dog, i have one, i love him, but he has had issues since he was a Puppy (i adopted him at 6 years old from a friend who was the second in line to raise him, first people where abusive dicks)- any way he got the dog at around 6 months old and he is a nipper- normal for cattle dogs, but it does become an issue- these dogs are the junk yard dover mans of Australia, they are territorial of their home and owners so they make great guard dogs for families, they are also incredibly smart, they learn tricks and other skills (like not pulling on a lead) very well, but they require a tun of socialization at a young age if you dont want them to be anti social- if you dont give it the impression that all people are good from a young age than it will be hard to socialize him, mine will bite you if you walk in the house, after a few minutes of being in his crate he calms down and will be friendly to our guest. I dont think this dog is for beginners, and im not so sure they would make great apartment dogs either- they are bread with dalmatians and dingos- this means that they can go for a long time, dalmatians need a huge amount of excersize and can keep up a fast pace for hours on end (thats one of the resons they make good circus dogs- yes i did have a friend who had one who could balance on a big wooden ball)
any way- this breed would probably be happier as a working dog than any thing else
they can be sweet, dont get me wrong, and you can get one as long as you are willing to put lots of time into socialization, care, and excersize
good luck!
pic related. they also come in blue
>> Anonymous
>>251719
thanks for your words

Although we live in a flat we live in a small seaside town that is surrounded by countryside, so there is no doubt he will get walked alot between us, How far do you walk him every day?
I'm also self employed so i could take the dog to work with me most days. I have read that alot of these dogs are happy as family dogs and dont have to be worked really if they have the right amount of exercise & attention?
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I may be a bit biased, but anyway.

If you want a smaller breed and want your dog to have a character and for it to be a good companion, check out Chinese Cresteds. :) You can get them both hairless and hairy (=Powder Puffs). We have one, see the picture, and she's playful, active and very cute. Also, they tend to attach to one (or maybe two) person(s) well.

Their training isn't too hard either, since they're quite obedient (once you get past the puppy-AD/HD-stage) and quite intelligent in some ways. Totally foolish in others, but it's just amusing.
>> Anonymous
>>251738

I'm also self employed so i could take the dog to work with me most days. I have read that alot of these dogs are happy as family dogs and dont have to be worked really if they have the right amount of exercise & attention?

that true- totally- their is no doubt this dog would be happy as a family dog, and bringing him to work would be great for socializing him- its also great because the dog will most likely bond with other people as well as his family which will really let him know that other people are not a threat to his family and master.
you wont have ANY problems as long as you excersize, socialize and train (these dogs love to do tricks so try to teach as many as possible, crate training is also a good idea- if you leave him home along he will get into any thing he feels like- and try to socialize it to small animals as well- it will learn to love them (only mentioning because mine is so great with my cats- he knows what gentle means and that has been useful) i have begun to ramble
any ways- yes you can do it

i would also like to mention that these dogs on average can live up to 16 years, and sometimes go deaf (12+ years)
>> Anonymous
oh ya i walk him about 2 hours a day- but he is old when he was young and lived with his former master he would RUN him for 2 hours a day (skate board one long 45 min w/ short rests) and a bunch of runs around the neighbor hood/ here and their 4 times
>> Anonymous
>>251757

>if you leave him home along he will get into any thing he feels like

I hear storys of these dogs causing havok if left alone for any decent amount of time is this something they can get used to or os it a definate no-no to leave them alone,I'm asking this as I work in the construction industry so there will be times when the dog will have to be leftin the van for a few hours, or at home if its not practical for it to come to work with me?
Also i lived in a shared house and the landlord had a dog that barked everytime anyone entered our flat i'm presuming if trained from a pup this won't be a problem.
I read on a website about acd's that they are great running with you for sports like running or cycling, i do a fair bit ofmountain biking so this would be ideal, how'd he skateboard?
>> Anonymous
>>251752

thanks, not really what we 're after but will have a look anyway
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I'd get a whippet. They're ideal housepets, provided that you let them take a sprint once or twice a day. Contrary to populair believe, they do not need a large amount of excersise, letting them run freely for a while at the dog park each day will suffice, but be careful with stuff like cats and such, they like to chase after those. They're incredibly lazy indoors, and incredibly active and fun outside. At home, they just want to curl up next to you and sleep for hours at end. They are very, very loyal and friendly.Not obedient like a slave, but very sensitive to scolding and praise. They don't actually shed like normal dogs, don't smell as much and are very clean. Because of their short fur they can get a bit cold during winter though. Wonderful dogs. SRSLY.
>> Anonymous
>>251784
thanks for your advice, the whippet is already considered,for all the reasons you pointed out :0)
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>> Anonymous
if you do leave your dog alone at home (and not in a crate) i recommend putting your trash can up high where he can not get it- food is the first thing that will spark his interest, a puppy will find things to chew so dont leave expensive stuff laying around- i would recommend putting him in one room with a window, food and water, and a chew.
crate training is great, make your dog comfortable in his crate (dont ever shut him in in a panic- train him to go inside w/ positive reinforcement) and he will treat it like his bed room, and sleep most of the day away in it while you are at work (bucket of water in crate is a MUST)
as for cars- mine used to flip out being left in the car, but he is fine now- i found that if i run him a little before i have to leave him in the car he is ok- make sure he gets to pee and run around a bit before you put him in to stay and the cleaner your car is the better as he will have less to get into while you are gone
>> Anonymous
wow i stared writing that reply hours ago, sorry op, i was having a good time, and forgot to press submit
>> Anonymous
>>251844

no problem i've been checking on and off all day. thanks for your comments.

>>251843

the flat we rent has a massive bathroom for some reason (compared to the rest of the flat) so would be ideal for keeping the dog out of trouble when were out and a bit better than keeping it in a crate. is your australian cattle dog quiet and well behaved when left on its own?

If the dog is left in the van i'll always be close to hand & i'll walk him every couple of hours, crate might be an idea to stop it eating all my tools & upholstery in the van!!
>> Anonymous
he is quiet, he barks when we leave but when we come home he doesnt make a sound (unless we are with somebody) we have even forgot about him a few times because he is so quiet- not to say that your dog will be at first, mine is old, content and lazy a puppy most likely wont be as agreeable at first, just make the space comfortable with food and water and a comfy bed to sleep on and he will get over being alone (i didnt used to believe it but i really think leaving the radio on quietly on a station with lots of talking helps, maybe it drowns out the lonely silence try it what ever)

left alone at home out of his crate he usually finds something he wants to get a hold of- i had a coffie cup stuffed with lolly pops on the dining room table for a long time, one day we left the dog out and went food shopping, when we came back their where sticks and wrappers all over the floor and the dog was hiding in his crate- lol
>> Anonymous
>>251879
sneaky dog,bet he knew that hed benn naughty too
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>> Anonymous
www.dogbreedinfo.com is a lot of fun to look through; tons of tests and comparison categories.

Seconding whippet or similar mixed breed. They're small and clean enough for apartment life, but not crazy hyperactive inside like some hunting/working breeds.
>> Anonymous
English Mastiff or Irish Wolfhound imo
>> Anonymous
>>252078

thanks.

think we've narrowed it down to ACD, parsons jack russell, & whippet
>> 3007 8411 8277 Alex
Don't go for a pure bred dog OP, get a mongrel, they're a lot cheaper, have fewer genetic disorders, and are a lot more fun
>> Anonymous
by boyfriend had a jack russel and it barks. constantly.

do the world a favor and don't get a dof in a fucking apartment building.

it will annoy your neighboure, and it's cruel to keep a dog cooped up in an apartment all day.
>> Anonymous
>>252167
sorry about all the typos, it's dark in my room at the moment.
>> Anonymous
>>252167

Is this trait simular with all dogs of that breed though? As mentioned we looked after a jack russel for just over a week and it was very well behaved and only barked at dogs when out on walks, no constant barking.
Surly this is due to your boyfriend or whoever trained the dog not training it properly from being a pup?
>> Anonymous
>>252085

are you taking the piss, both these dogs are large dogs!
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ACD or Parsons Jack Russell?! OP, you don't listen to advises, so why did you ask anyway? Just get your pretty looking working/ hunting dog and enjoy your clever choice for the next 12 years (or until your nerves can't take it anymore and you drop the dog at a shelter).
>> Anonymous
>>252201

british idioms are so stupid
>> Anonymous
>>252207

I'm not ignoring advice. But as i've already mentioned we should be able to be with this dog Most of the time due to the possability of both of us being able to take the dog to work with us, also we both spend alot of time outside (my main hobbies include mountain biking & fishing)we live in the countryside so it wouldn't be a problem to walk the dog or run with him for minimum of 2 hours a day,thats only an hour each if we split it.
we were told by another walker that we were overwalking the parsons we looked after and that it only needed around 2 hours a day, also on a few websites i looked at for the ACD breeds it recommends 2 hours so i'm getting mixed advice....which is why i posted here...but thanks for your.....advice?
>> Anonymous
>>252167
This post is for advise, not abuse. We are very active people and the dog will be out with us all day, get over it, reckon you bark louder than your boyfriends dog!
>> Anonymous
Just go for the jack, I say. I'm usually against people keeping terriers in small spaces, but I've known two separate people who kept jacks in an apartment/flat, and though the dogs can be annoying as fuck, their owners still love them and even the dogs are content in apartment life.

During the puppy stage, they will tear your house apart - there will be paper, cardboard, pieces of plastic, and entire rolls of toilet paper unrolled all over the floor. You will have to take a lot of time to play and go up and down stairs all day since you will have to take your dog out to piss after every nap, playtime, meal, and drink. Taking a long walk does not matter, you could walk all day and it won't tire him out - you must take him somewhere that is stimulating mentally, like a park where he can dig or swim or at least play fetch. If he has a fun time, you'll have a fun time.

Once they're grown up, they are quite charming and I can understand the reason people like them so much.
>> Anonymous
>>252308

thanks, i know a few people with jacks that don't hunt or work them and they seem to get walked plenty, some even live in flats too