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what came first, the chicken or the egg? Anonymous
in my opinion, the chicken
eggs can't cum
>> Anonymous
Egg

It would've been laid by an animal that evolved into the chicken.
>> Anonymous
>>273280
yeah, thats what i think
>> Anonymous
>>273280
Wouldn't it be a dinosaur/precursor-chicken egg until it hatched into a chicken?
>> B
"in my opinion, the chicken
eggs can't cum"

Wrong. You are not doing something right.
>> Anonymous
>>273280

Actually, wouldn't it be the egg, since the mutation that occurred in the genome that created chickens would occur between the chicken and the egg. So technically, the first organism with chicken DNA would have come from the egg, which came from the mutation of DNA in a non-chicken animal.
>> Anonymous
>>273277
Ha. You. Egg because they had eggs long before that had chickens. Dinosaurs laid eggs, older fishy lookin things laid eggs, ETC
>> Anonymous
>>273296
How about dinosaur chicken? Bet you didn't think of that.
>> Anonymous
"A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." -Samuel Butler
>> Anonymous
I once asked my super-religious cousin-in-law [?] that question and she said the chicken. I asked "Then who layed the egg?". She replied "God did."

Then she bit her lower lip in uncertainty. Because everyone knows God made the world as it is today! Absolute bullshit. <3 Science.
>> Anonymous
egg.

ancestor of modern chicken -> egg [genetic mutation occurs here] -> chicken
>> Anonymous
>>273296
This.

Eggs existed long before chickens. Is it even possible to sexually reproduce without eggs?
>> Anonymous
>>273306
I never heard of god laying eggs, but Zeus fucked Leda while in a swan disguise. Later she laid two eggs, one with his immortal children and the other with mortal children by her mortal husband.
But I don't think that what you cousin in law had in mind.
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>>273277
you made a joche!!!!
....idiot.
>> Anonymous
Neither one of them came first (assuming you mean a chicken egg, unlike some idiots in this topic).

There is no such thing as a "first" member of a species. Every organism gives birth to a member of its own species. If something gives birth to a chicken, it had to have been a chicken. But you need to stop thinking there are black and white lines between species, and realize that it is only after thousands of generations you might get a species that is different from the original. Even so, generation 1 is the same species as generation 2, which is the same species as 3, which is the same species as 4... but generation 1000 probably is not the same species as 1, even if it is the same species as generation 999, which is the same as generation 998... Species are like colors on a spectrum.
>> Anonymous
>>273388
Exactly. The same reason taking one grain of sand away from a pile of sand doesn't make it stop being a pile of sand, regardless of the fact that, eventually, you'll have only one grain left.
>> Anonymous
The chicken was around before time began and when questioned about its existence it laid an egg, unbeknown to the only chcken that a chick would hatch.
>> Anonymous
the chicken, cuz eggs come from chicken. /thread
>> Anonymous
>>273516
So where did the first chicken come from?
>> Anonymous
>>273528
not from an egg
>> Anonymous
>>273528

evolution my friend... e v o l u t i o n .....

like everything else...... we did not simply become... we evolved.. as everything else has..
>> Anonymous
>>273277
eggs were being laid by animals before birds existed. therefore the egg obviously came first
>> Anonymous
>>273537
Stop smoking pot.
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
"Chicken" technically. Asexual reproduction via cellular fission was the first widespread means of reproducing.
>> Anonymous
>>273570
yeah but chickens do not work that way
>> Anonymous
>>273571
if chickens worked would they get the minimal wage like the rest of us
>> That Gomez
from an evolutionary standpoint, the egg would have to come first
>> Anonymous
first the desire,then the idea.
the egg is a product of desire so therefore the chicken was the idea.
>> Anonymous
egg

animals laid eggs before chickens evolved
>> Anonymous
The more interesting question would be:

Who was the first animal that laid an egg?
>> Anonymous
>>273643
Define animal
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Amoeba
>> Anonymous
>>273643
That depends on your definition of "egg" and "lay". If the egg has to be internally fertilized and laid on solid dry ground to be considered an egg, it would have to be some basal amniote. If you add a calcified shell into the equation, it would have to be some advanced archosaur, possibly even a basal dinosaur. If you go by the loosest definition however, eggs have been around pretty much since the first muticellular organism appeared.
>> Anonymous
It would have to be the chicken egg which was laid by a closely related animal that can no longer mate with chickens because of certain restrictions be they pre- or post-zygotic.
>> Anonymous
>>273638

ideas are not real GTFO
>> Anonymous
what could have happened

1. (chicken first): non-chicken animal mutated in a chicken during life.
2.(egg first): non-chicken layed chicken egg and chicken came out of it.

both situations have similar probabilities so all the "evolution shows that egg came first"-argumentation has got no value.
>> Anonymous
>>273936
DNA sometimes becomes damaged due to ingestion of certain substances,old age or just freak chance.The progression of species and adaptation is random but only the fittest survive.The "first"chicken as we know them,came from an egg that was layed by a similar creature that was fertilized by altered DNA.
>> Anonymous
>>273943
extended:Rate of evolutionary change

On some occasions, DNA damage is not repaired, or is repaired by an error-prone mechanism which results in a change from the original sequence. When this occurs, mutations may propagate into the genomes of the cell's progeny. Should such an event occur in a germ line cell that will eventually produce a gamete, the mutation has the potential to be passed on to the organism's offspring. The rate of evolution in a particular species (or, more narrowly, in a particular gene) is a function of the rate of mutation. Consequently, the rate and accuracy of DNA repair mechanisms have an influence over the process of evolutionary change
>> Anonymous
>>273936
your comments are premature
>> Anonymous
Christian = chicken came first

Correct = egg came first.

/thread
>> Anonymous
>>273953
i believe christ came to earth,but also believe in evolution.nowhere in the bible is evolution refuted.
>> Anonymous
Okay, so, since none of you seem to have been in a science class before, the answer is chicken (I don't care what bullshit criteria you use to define "chicken", just pick something). When an egg (the cell, not the calcium shell) is fertilized in an oviparous species that uses internal sperm deposition (Read: Not things that spray their sperm on the eggs(cell) after they are out of the female's body), the embryonic form of that species develops. At some point in it's development, the mother's body produces the calcium shell around the embryo, the yolk sac and all the other shit that's in an egg(the shell). This egg(shell) is the one you're all arguing about "which came first", but animals don't create the shell first, then deposit the developing child inside, the animal is formed first and then encased. This is my first post in /an/, and you're all idiots.
>> Anonymous
>>274112
>i wuz in teh science class

fail
>> Anonymous
>>273954
Except the first part about seven days and the garden of eden.
>> Anonymous
>>274123
if you only got past the first chapter in the bible,read revelations,that to you would seem incredibly science fiction like too.
>> Anonymous
There are no distinct sets of things in nature--it is only our limited human minds that try to group.

Therefore, the answer is entirely definition-dependent.

Goodnight.