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The most loyal pet I've ever owned was a crow. This crow was very, very old. He was my fathers pet when he was a young boy. His name was Charlie. He was very domesticated, well trained and could speak (he had his tongue split)

Every morning I'd walk to school with Charlie on my shoulder. I'd get to school (just down the road) and let Charlie fly off to the tree outside. At recess he'd come back to me and then when it was home time he'd again come back, land on my shoulder (or walk alongside me) all the way home.

He could fetch, he could speak better than any parrot I've ever seen and he was generally just a lovable and loyal pet.

Has anyone else had experience with domesticated crows? (Not a picture of him)
>> Anonymous
Holy shit, the PETAfags are going to rip you apart.
>> Anonymous
moar requested ! i intend to tame one myself
>> Anonymous
troll
>> Anonymous
Whoa, how long to crows live, anyway..?
>> Anonymous
Crows are very independent. The easiest way to tame them is to raise them as chicks so they imprint on you.
>> Anonymous
My uncle had a crow, but it died before I was born. He didn't slit its tongue though so it couldn't speak.
>> Anonymous
>>175142
In the wild they can live up to 30 years. In captivity (or semi-captivity with ample food and care) they can live much longer.
>> Anonymous
Are crows smarter than parrots in general, or was yours exceptionally talented?
>> Anonymous
>>175153
I'm not sure. Charlie was very, very well trained though. He was shockingly smart.
>> Anonymous
Taming a wild animal is bad. SPLITTING ITS TONGUE is horrible. I'm sorry but this isn't glamorous and amazing. It's cruelty and nothing more. Your dad broke this animal. It's pretty sad.
>> Anonymous
Crows are smart. Here's a crow making his own tools in a laboratory situation:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OYZnsO2ZgWo

here's a crow making tools in nature:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=esfo6Wh-Ty8
>> Anonymouse !!h5ALjqgB4DE
>>175155
Who cares. It's a single crow and I'm sure it was tell taken care of.
>> Anonymous
>>175155

Tongue splitting seems less cruel than circumcision.
>> Anonymous
>>175160
doesn't have a penis
>> Anonymous
>>175155

Just as>>175139predicted.
>> Anonymous
>>175160
Only women say this. It's stupid. Circumsized men love being circumsized, uncircumsized men envy not being circumsized.
>> Anonymous
Sorry, I haven't ever dealt with birds and I'm confused. What does tongue splitting mean?
>> Anonymous
>>175169

I dunno, this comment is pretty stupid too. I'm circumcised. Do I love being circumcised? About as much as I love having two nostrils. I've never experienced the alternative.
>> Anonymous
>>175173
It's a sick process. You hold the birds mouth open, grab its tongue and slide a knife down the center. You fork its tongue like a snake. Once you do that they can talk. SO WORTH IT LOLOLOL
>> Anonymous
>>175175
Dude, it's a crow.
>> Anonymous
>>175176
Dude, it's a living creature that can feel pain.
Modify yourself but don't force your sick BME fantasies on animals because it suits your vanity.
>> Anonymous
>>175177
1. It's a crow
2. OP said it was his dads when his dad was a kid. That means it was done a very long time ago when people had very different mindsets when it comes to animals
3. It's a crow
>> Anonymous
>>175169

Who are you kidding? I'm uncircumcised and I'm DAMN HAPPY about that--not only for my benefit, but because it's wrong for one person to modify another's body without their consent.

Google for "foreskin restoration". There is a huge community of people that are attempting to restore a foreskin as adults because they were circumised against their will as infants.
>> Anonymous
>>175169

Um.. that's not true. Most women prefer the look of circumcised penises, but men who are uncircumcised (like me) usually appreciate the extra sensation that their foreskin provides.
>> Anonymous
>>175180
Ahahaha, oh for fucks sake hahaha.
>> Anonymous
>>175177
fuck you. go away. leave.
>> Anonymous
Seriously, you circumcised chumps have no idea what you're missing out on. Foreskins are awesome!
>> Anonymous
>>There is a huge community of people that are trying to blame their screwed up lives and terrible psychological conditions on something they have no control over and have decided that being circumsized is a good enough choice so now blame all their life problems on their evil parents flaying their dingdongs. With all their problems neatly summed up by that single event they now delude themselves in thinking that if they repair that damage they will fix their lives and be happy but in truth they will not. They'll just pin the blame on their misery on something else.

fix'd
>> Anonymous
>>175182
most dumb, formatted, American women*
>> Anonymous
>>175182

LEGENDARY THREAD DERAILMENT GET!
>> Anonymous
>>175188
typical ignorant boar up in here
>> Anonymous
>>175186
I know exactly what I'm missing out on.
1) A funny looking dick, natural or not they look like a elephant trunk flaccid
2) More cleaning, which doesn't matter as I devote much time to cleaning my lower quadrants
3) Quicker cumming, I see that as a downside.

But I'll admit if right now I was uncircumcised, no way I'd get circumcised. I don't remember it happening to me as a baby so I don't really care, but the pain and the bleeding and shit now isn't worth it.

Back on topic, I often though of getting a crow/raven for a pet. Anyone know of a general guide to it?

Also do you really have to split the tongue for them to talk? I mean, do all birds need that or what?
>> Anonymous
>>175193
A crow cannot talk unless you cut their tongues.
>> Anonymous
>>175175

Really now. "Tongue splitting" doesn't involve splitting the tongue in half, it involves nicking just the tip of the tongue.

That said, tongue splitting will often cause the bird to LOSE its ability to speak, not gain the ability to speak as OP claimed.
>> Anonymous
>>175194

It's a fucking superstition, and the fact that the original "tongue splitting" involved a sharpened silver sixpence clearlys shows it.

It's a myth and it has NOTHING to do with the bird's ability to speak.
>> Anonymous
>>175198
Huh, well I guess I was wrong!
>> Anonymous
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CROWS ARE COOL OK
>> Anonymous
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wut is going on in this thred
>> Anonymous
I have a freind who works for an environmental center. They have an injured fish crow who lives there now. She is very smart and says things. Her tongue is not split. They don't modify the animals there, just take care of them. She's really neat, loves to be scratched, eat worms and say "Uh Oh" really loud. But thats their natural call, she says words like hello and such.
>> Anonymous
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CORN
>> Anonymous
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>> Anonymous
come on T'ERRY come on T'ERRY

ARRRSE
>> Anonymous
>>175153
Crows are pretty much as intelligent as chimps. But then, so are grey parrots. It's hard to make an accurate comparison, since intelligence is made of several separate skillsets (tool use, language, theory of mind etc.) which are not equally developed in corvids, parrots and apes. But they're all pretty close to each other anyway.
>> Anonymous
I'm not gonna read through all the posts to see if this was already said, but splitting a birds tongue so it can speak is barbaric, and totally stupid. Birds don't speak using their tongues.
>> Anonymous
attention citizens

intellgence is not you.
you are you.
defining how intellegent something is with attributes unique to you is called 'being a pretentious close minded cock'

also, speech is NOT intellegence, it is communitcation.

my printer can fucking communicate, with my fucking computer.
>> Anonymous
>>175322
Yes. I'm sure your printer can communicate abstract concepts with your computer. Nutter.
>> Anonymous
>>175169

um, no.
>> Anonymous
I don't think you get it. Communicating abstract concepts doesn't require any intelligence at all.

I had a 4-year-old "tell me" about String Theory the other day. I assure you that he doesn't even come close to understanding string theory. But, he heard his daddy talking about it, and memorized the words. And, he knows that if the talks about "science stuff" that he heard from daddy, then he gets praised for it.

Likewise pets learn if they do certain tricks then they get rewarded for it.
>> Anonymous
>>175151
"American Crows have a lifespan of 7 to 8 years. Captive birds are known to have lived up to 30 years.[6]"

Wikipedia disagrees. Fucking amazing though if you ask me from 7 to 8 years in wild to 30 in captivity. Up your ass PETA fags.
>> Anonymous
>>175398
For Ravens:
"Common Ravens typically live about 10 to 15 years in the wild, although lifespans of up to 40 years have been recorded."
>> Anonymous
>>175396
So you think your child is unintelligent. Wow. That's pretty brutally honest.
>> Anonymous
>>175402

Nice try. I never said the child (he's not mine) was uninteligent. I said that just becasue someone can parrot a phrase doesn't mean they are intelligent enough to understand that phrase.

You don't have to understand what string theory is in order to say the words "string theory". Likewise, just becasue a bird can speak doesn't mean that they're intelligent either. Communicating a concept doesn't require understanding of that concept.
>> Anonymous
>>175402

try reading it again, that's not what was said.
>> Anonymous
>>175322
Wikipedia seems to disagree with you:
Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition#Language
>> Anonymous
>>175413

Using a language implies that you understand what you are saying, and that you can choose words and combine them together to express new ideas.

You don't have to understand a language in order to simply repeat phrases and sounds.

My telephone answering machine can "speak" the message that I recored on it. Does that make the answering machine intelligent? Of course not. All it does is play back something that I said. Likewise if your parrot "speaks", all it is doing is regurgitating some sounds that it has heard before. That doesn't require intelligence at all. All that requries is memory and the ability to make sounds.

Now then, if you teach a bird some words and it recombines those words on its own accord to express a new concept (as opposed to just repeating what it heard), then that would be actual USE of language, and that would suggest intelligence.

By the way, back up a little bit here and focus on the discussion at hand. Nobody (at least not I) is claiming that animals aren't intelligent. We are saying that repeating some words does not imply intelligence. That's it.

Animals do exhibit learning and intelligence, such as begging for food, opening doors, or whining when they want to be let outside--but that's besides the point here.
>> Anonymous
>>175422
"Now then, if you teach a bird some words and it recombines those words on its own accord to express a new concept (as opposed to just repeating what it heard), then that would be actual USE of language, and that would suggest intelligence."

Which is exactly what Alex the parrot has done. Wow! We agree birds can intelligently use language!
>> Anonymous
>>175424

You're right. Alex the parrot has done this. And that is the ONLY documented example out there. Alex therefore has a higher degree of intelligence than most Parrots. But then again I never said that parrots weren't intelligent.

Again, ALL I said was that repeating words does not imply intelligence. That's it. End of story. I never said that animals weren't intelligent. If you want to draw a conclusion that I never made (or implied) then that's your problem.
>> I love you 4chan. Anonymous
ITT turning someone's memories of their beloved childhood pet into a discussion on the psychological and sexual implications of circumcision, and whether or not parrots actually know what they're saying. Ace.
>> Anonymous
>>175186

smelly dicks and dickcheese aren't
>> Anonymous
>>175175
... If I couldn't speak, and all it took was having someone take a knife to my tongue once early in my life to be able to speak... I think I would take that option.

If someone cut my tongue and I was suddenly able to speak to birds? Hey, that wouldn't be too bad.
>> Anonymous
>>175438

you must not know about bathing or soap
>> Anonymous
>>175441
What if you could learn to speak, but hadn't learned it yet, and somebody cut your tongue so that you "could" learn to speak, even though you could have done that anyway without any mutilation... would you still be thankful for the cut?
>> Anonymous
How does one go about domesticating a crow?
>> Anonymous
uh, birds don't use their tongues to speak. reed biology buk pls.

you are a fucking asshole.
>> Anonymous
>>175455

we know this. Other people have posted it much higher in the thread than you did. Did you even bother to read the thread?

GTFO, dumbass.
>> Anonymous
>>175448

Step 1: Purchase bag of Fritos
Step 2: Open bag of Fritos, carry it about town whilst munching.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Receive Crow.
>> Anonymous
>>175424
>>175426

Sorry to burst your bubble (as mine certainly was) but the easter bunny doesn't exist. Er, I mean Alex died a few weeks ago.
>> Anonymous
My grandfather had a crow, until it decided it wanted my toenails for it's collection of shiny things when I was a few months old. It got my toenails, then it got bopped on the head.

>>175441
My sister decided it would be better for my nephew to struggle with an improperly developed tounge, his speech impediment has led to a very short temper.
>> Anonymous
OP here reminding people that I did not split Charlie's tongue. It was done before I was even born.
>> Anonymous
>>175426
Alex the parrot is the only bird that has learned to communicate properly using human speech. It is far from the only documented case of animal that commonly communicate using complex languages.
>> Anonymous
>>175255
Made of win. The crow is also a pirate.
>> Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nqpo9F_4Sc
WHAT'S UP NOW?!?!
>> Anonymous
>>175156
This crow has passed the test for pre-sentience. They should be protected like we protect dolphins & chimpanzees.

How many crows in a murder?
>> Anonymous
>>175850
Crows also have theory of mind, i.e. they understand what other crows can see and know, and thus can mislead them on purpose. Jays are even closer to people, as they learn how to be wary of cheaters after they themselves have learned to cheat. This is something even chimps can't seem to master.

I don't think anybody has attempted the kind of language experiments done on grey parrots on crows. It might tell us some very revealing things about their cognitive flexibility.
>> Anonymous
>>175528
Did I miss the "goodnight sweet prince" and ensuing orgy of dead parrot references?
>> Anonymous
one time while camping a bird flew down and hung out. it would not leave. i gave it a waterdish and it drank from that. i would put my finger out and it would jump on. i set it on my shoulder too
>> Anonymous
im getting a breeder to find me a crow egg. its going to be awsome :D
>> Anonymous
That tongue splitting thing is a myth. All birds use their tongue for is eating. All the sounds are made in their throat. If you've ever seen a parrot talk you can clearly see this.

It's also illegal in the US to keep any native species as a pet. You have to get an African crow.